@RAM_845 … Yeah, they tend to view where the teams are on the ladder before deciding on punishments, especially this close to the finals. I’m a Tigers fan (yes, mental help is coming 🤪) but even their women’s side are more entertaining to watch than the men’s team 👍😂. The NRL obviously want teams making the playoffs to be at full strength so they can make more money from the games than weaken them by suspending players.
The fact Panthers don't get penalised and it's ruled a Storm knock on is absolutely insane. Then a couple sets later, Harry Grant collects someone on the shoulder and it's penalised. Panthers need to stop being treated like endangered species. Maybe then they'd have some more competitive match ups with the rest of the comp...
Oh I think you would have to do more than that to "have some more competitive matchups' you would have to dismantle Panthers junior program which is holding up half of the junior development for the entire comp.
100% Remember the Luai hair pull? That player got suspended , but then 2 weeks later, Luai did a hair pull Dominic Young , with dreadlocks in his hand that he shook away because they were stuck to his hands , but the ref didn't see anything. Yet Cleary has done the same thing about 8 weeks ago. The ref didn't see either, but all the talk in the media on how he was lucky to get away with it !!! I am personally sick of seeing the ref's/Match committee being paid off from the Panthers , there is literally no other explanation . Unless you can explain something I don't know?
@@healthymindhealthybody9692I can explain it. You, like most of the league, can’t accept that Penrith are a level above, so you pretend that referee incompetence is actually a conspiracy…
the Luai one had intent and was mallicious, he stopped his run, stepped, and lined Nel up with his shoulder, exactly what the illegal shoulder charge is also. Arguably worst of the 4 cases.
True but I would also charge the Storm player for lifting his forearm/elbow into the Penrith backrower which led to Luai payback However Luai already used his get out of jail card when he pushed the touch judge
@@BenWick-oc8pv you mean where Luai jumped off the ground to shoulder his head? Regardless, nothing about the players, the ruling and interpretation isn't about the technique or what actually happened, it's been ruled on injury lately
I love the fact because Laui is small, and Solomona is big, try say "that's nothing". He leaves the ground, leads with shoulder to the head, even worse I that th defender can't put up the bumpers like the other examples. If it had been the other way around, Solomona wouldn't play again this year. Absolute flops
OMG and I thought of was the only one that saw it as clear as day . Touching ref's ,pulling hair , hip drops , ankle twists , eye gouging, gloating about loosing in SOO when does it come to an end . LITERALLY THE WORST PLAYER IN NRL
Well you need to follow another sport because in any game refereed by humans you will never get two people who see a fast-moving 360° impact involving multiple parties in exactly the same way. Every tackle is unique, so by definition "consistency" is a meaningless concept. People who say they want "consistency" just mean that they want other people to see the same things they do, while ignoring the aspects that make a tackle different from others. These guys on the panel all see tackles differently, yet it doesn't dawn on them how ridiculous it is that they then demand that others agree 100% on every minor detail.
Luai jumps, purposely shoulder carges and strikes nelson to the head, if thats consistent with other charges he should be looking at not playing again until week 1 or 2 of finals
If you're talking forceful contact it was literally piss weak lol. Sin bin for action maybe 1 week but feet leaving the ground when you can clearly see how little impact it had would be silly. Nelson literally didn't know that it even happened
@stokersruleok5863 that doesn't make it ok though? So if a grub gets nailed in the head its no penalty coz they are a grub? No mate, consistently is key here regardless of what team you follow.
NRL officials have to be clear that shoulder contact to the head is off. Then just keep with it, instead of enforcing intermittently throughout a season.
When I was a kid I used to watch shows like this talk about inconsistencies. And so did every kid in every sport. Perfection and humanity are oxymorons.
Yep, this show is truly pathetic. They just generate fake controversy to sell newspapers. "All I want is consistency" says the dribbler Rothfield, as if every human being sees exactly the same thing on every incident. They show a series of incidents where these four panelists can't agree on anything, yet they can't grasp the irony of them demanding that a bunch of officials agree on everything to four decimal places, all the time. You are never going to have eight humans see and think exactly the same thing, and only idiots carry on about it the way these clowns do.
I have been watching this game since 1972 when the great Manly team won!! I was 9 years old. This game today is a disgrace., I switch off as soon as the forward passes are allowed to flow. A knock is when a ball bounces towards the opponents goal one. But every ball that hits the ground the whistle goes? WTF!
the majority of the inconsistencies stem from the fact that the bunker considers the damage done to the player. if a player stays on the ground for 5 minutes then they’re obviously gonna send them off or bin them because it’s a bad look for the game. but if a player gets straight back up, the consequences are lessened (eg jarome luai). if it’s the exact same tackle, they need to enforce the same consequences regardless of what the tackle did to the player
NAS comes straight off after that hit, looked concussed. Commentary team even say "NAS looks tired" because he walks off groggy. Ref let Penrith play the set and no advantage at all
Its hard to be consistent when its calls made by different refs they all would have seen it different exactly the same as 4 different people watch the same thing and could have different views and opinions
360 has had the tigers in their headlines all year with made up rifts, rumours, and nonsense. For the second time this year the refs have cost the tigers wins against the raiders in both games. Yet not a squeak out of any of these muppets! These 4 are the biggest flogs that the nrl wouldn’t notice if none of the 4 woke up tomorrow
I remember the days when rugby league players mocked football players for playing a girls sport, now look where rugby league is at the moment, players taking dives at the slightest hit, crying to the referee as soon as someone scores. It’s turned me off watching, I think the women even are putting the men to shame at the moment.
The NRL has shown that they don’t give a flying about the players or the fans. Fair enough about concussions, but come on….we just want consistency. If we don’t have refs, there’s no game….BUT referees are not untouchable. They make mistakes, however they seem to be making more glaring and game changing decisions these days. They should be put under scrutiny and challenged, especially when their f-ups are so obvious Blind Freddie can see them. I don’t mean they should be insulted. That’s just rude. But coaches and captains should be able to comment and questions decisions, without being fined.
The bunker is the problem, we're seeing more replays than ads and they're not really consistent with their rulings, and linesman seem to be there for decoration
Talking about consistency, what about the Broncos game with Jesse Arthurs. Initially got a penalty, you can see Granville's shoulder hit Arthurs in the chin/cheek (accidental of course), we lose Arthurs for a Category 1 HIA and potentially lose him for this week as well but then the Bunker overrules the on field ref saying there was no contact with the head so the penalty is also taken away from the Broncos and it is play on..........so why did we just lose a good player for a few weeks to HIA if there was no contact with the head? As everyone says we just want consistency and this was the first game Saturday, immediately after the two send offs we had the night prior!
Where do you start with consistency. 10 metres? tackle restart? escorting? The list goes on and on. Even the bunker with slow motion can't get it right.
If your on the receiving end of these tackles it's not very nice. Being a recipient of multiple head shots through these kind of hits I'm now unable to participate in the game that I love so much. I constantly suffered from migrains dizziness and nuisea. Common sense and reviews into the act of intent makes great common sense to me. Wally the king Lewis is a prime example of what can happen from repeated head blows.
you should have played touch if you didn't think you were going to get hit..... the game is what it is and has always been, a gladiator sport.... my uncle had 2 hip replacements after playing for the Roosters in the 70's, a broken jaw from a punch in the scrum, its tough, even as a schoolboy I broke my nose 12 times, broken wrist and concussion often...... all sports have risks, stuff the insurance companies they are ruining the game..... stiff arm and spear tackles aside, the bin is there to deal with the rest...
Laui’s is possibly the worst, he left the ground shoulder charged to the face. On an already tackled player. If the roles were reversed Nelson wouldn’t be playing the rest of the year.
Almost every runner is lower and perfectly lines up with the more upright tacklers shoulder. Height differences and changes of angles, sometimes just dont line up.
Should be based on leading with the shoulder. Burgess and Mo both led with the chest and got unfortunate with the ball runners head position. If you want to crack down you’d say they are sin bins, to me they are just penalties. Brown leads with the shoulder with intent, but doesn’t necessarily collect him too high so should be a sin bin also. Luai leads with the shoulder with intent and collects NAS on the point of the forehead. Regardless of outcome of the tackle Luai’s probably should’ve been the most likely to be sent off. Should be a 3 point checklist of; Point of contact, leading with the shoulder, and the ball carriers ability to defend themselves. To me a 1 on 1 tackle that goes wrong is a lot less dangerous than defenders joining a tackle while the ball carrier is already wrapped up with no ability to defend themselves I.E Luais tackle. Bringing in “force” as a mitigating factor brings too many negative factors to the game, we should want blokes flying out of the line trying to whack each other because that’s the entertainment factor of the game. Send offs should be purely used for malicious acts and players blatantly playing the game in an unspirited way.
We can't blame the on field refs, blame the bunker. Credit where it's due to Jason D & his brutally honest comments about his Bunnies in the presser. It's so refreshing to see a coach actually praise the ref, touchies & bunker against his own side coz then u compare Jas to Ivan. U see in Ivan's pressers why his players are the arrogant upstarts they are. Look the Riff are a brilliant side & the most dominant side for the last 4/5 years but with that comes with humility & it's starts at the top. Ivan's as arrogant as his players & do we even need to speak about Luai? The Riff are the Storm of a decade ago, the NRL's protected species. If Nelson hit Luai in a reverse scenario not only would've Nelson been sent but Ivan would've blown up & the talk once again would be about protecting the playmakers, the little men like Joey craps on about constantly like a broken record.
Gordie played in times of more on field intimidation etc yet even he says a hit to the head is a send off.He is absolutely correct. Tackling techniques have changed so much over the years we now have tacklers coming in totally upright trying to make to ball and all shoulder tackles resulting in a slight error of judgement shoulders hitting the head. Let's be real the best tackler in the comp is arguably Jake Tribo who bends his back and hits hard either under ball or on the ball forcing an error from the opposing player.Kafusi is another who hits lower than most and hits hard.Until tacklers start bending their backs instead of remaining upright far too many head knocks will continue.
It is a high tackle and a send off (sin bin or outright) and a suspension IF.... the player is on a team at the bottom of the ladder. It is either play on or on report with a "no case to answer" if the player is in a top of the ladder team. Simple
League in the 90s and naughts when I started watching was absolutely brutal. So much grub behaviour in the tackles. The intensity always leads to grub behaviour. These battering rams have to have a life after league. Stop charging shoulders into heads. Get better at tackling. Go lower. It's a skill issue. Times change and the dinosaurs don't have to worry about CTE.
As far as consistency in penalties goes, well its obvious the referees are not on the same page so until they come together as one and agree on a suitable punishment for this sort of misdemeanor, the inconsistency will continue....
So easy to fix. Any contact with the head, 10 min. and the four examples show Forceful contact sent off. The problem is we will see 9 on 10. 4-5 sin bins a game, The media and fans whinging. So we don't call it unless some one gets knocked out or some one comes out like the king and says they have CTE.
If you listen to each commentator, and you know what club/s they’re loyal to, you begin to understand why they argue so much because they’re defending their favourite players and clubs and not calling the penalties for what they are.
If these guys can't agree amongst themselves on what does or doesn't constitute a send-off penalty, then what hope is there that a panel watching slow-mo is going to do the same thing. So, I agree with Gordon here that there has to be a law set in stone, no bias, knockout or not. It's the same as with spear tackles. Make contact with the head and it's an instant send-off, no ifs or buts. It's about player safety and continuing health. The game has been blasé to this kind of action that even one of the guys in the panel said, on the Luai incident, that Luai didn't hit the ball carrier hard enough for it to constitute a penalty at all. As a whole, we either say that's not on in this sport or let it go on status quo.
NRL should inventivise low tackles. This would solve the issue. Low tackle taking the player straight to the ground should be a dominant tackle with the defender allowed to hang onto the legs or lie all over them. With the exception of clear line breaks. In a standing tackle as soon as the ball carrying arm is wrapped up and momentum stopped it should be held and 6 again if the player is wrestled to the ground. This would completely change currently trained tackling technique in the middle.
It should be like union they have it spot on its a tiered system 1. Did he get contact to the head 2. Did he try to avoid 3. Was it an aggressive hit. It’s not hard union have had the blueprint for years
Gordon has it right, if he was on the field he expects no one to hit him in the head. This should be the standard and all head contacts should be sent off. Just watch the sloppy tackling improve quick smart. At the same time the NRL judiciary needs to be clear on the penalties involved. How about offenders serve a length of time that matches the recovery time of the struck player? If that is six months then so be it!
The way i see it, if a player is taken out by an illegal high shot and has an HIA and is ruled out, the person who has make the illegal hit has to be sent off, you're taking out a player for the game and potentially next week you need to go
All the talk about head injuries, concussions etc, Wally Lewis comes out with sad news and yet they’re arguing a shoulder to the head ain’t that bad. Make your mind up. What do you want for the game?
As per usual, it's the inconsistency that does it for me, more than the severity of the tackle. If people want to weep and carry on about CTE, then don't complain when refs go psycho about send offs for head contact. But we all know if any Penrith player made a tackle like this, they wouldn't be sent, plain and simple. And that's where the true problem lies.
All cheap shots, intent or not. get down and tackle, it's not just the head, but the attention around the neck - caused by wrestling, that's what I'm sick of, good on the refs, this might force players to lower and actually tackle again. Good eg. The abolishment of the hip drop, has caused players to tackle low with their legs away from the player. if your taller than another player you have to adjust, and you can still get the same result of a stinging tackle. Players have become lazy in the 2 up 1 low tackling system, causing it to become dangerous. It's time to start tackling again, not wrangling players like cattle
They are worring too much about the outcome and not the intent. Luai's wad actually the worst in that regard. To think a guy can come flying in with a cocked elbow an miss, he'll get nothing but be an inch closer and break a jaw hell get 10 weeks is ridiculous. Gordy is the only sensible one here.
Compared to the other three cases, Luai was the only one that literally led only with his shoulder to the head and they say it's nothing. 💀💀💀
He fully jumps into it too. I can't believe there's a guy here arguing that tackle is the least of the four.
That’s not true, but he should have been penalised
If it was the other way around Nelson gets at least 10
@imalwaysright change your name bro, you have some of the worst takes ive ever seen 😂
Penref
The NRL has lost the plot!
That’s obvious to us fans but clearly NOT to the NRL. Some clubs’ players get let off lightly (punishment wise) while others absolutely cop it.
@RAM_845 … Yeah, they tend to view where the teams are on the ladder before deciding on punishments, especially this close to the finals. I’m a Tigers fan (yes, mental help is coming 🤪) but even their women’s side are more entertaining to watch than the men’s team 👍😂. The NRL obviously want teams making the playoffs to be at full strength so they can make more money from the games than weaken them by suspending players.
@@gerardroll6468bring back Madge!
They lost the plot 10 years ago
EXACTLY !
luai left the ground and hit him in the face not to mention it was a shoulder charge witch is not allowed
It's the panthers bra😂
Yeah but you got to go to work tomorrow morning!
Oh don't worry the Panthers need to do 3peat. They are allowed to do that. 😂
He hardly hit the top of the head with his upper arm, Romy was in more danger than Nelson.
Which not witch.
The fact Panthers don't get penalised and it's ruled a Storm knock on is absolutely insane. Then a couple sets later, Harry Grant collects someone on the shoulder and it's penalised. Panthers need to stop being treated like endangered species. Maybe then they'd have some more competitive match ups with the rest of the comp...
Oh I think you would have to do more than that to "have some more competitive matchups' you would have to dismantle Panthers junior program which is holding up half of the junior development for the entire comp.
Even so they wouldn’t have more competitive match ups 💀 it’s really only Brisbane, bunnies and maybe the warriors
100%
Remember the Luai hair pull? That player got suspended , but then 2 weeks later, Luai did a hair pull Dominic Young , with dreadlocks in his hand that he shook away because they were stuck to his hands , but the ref didn't see anything.
Yet Cleary has done the same thing about 8 weeks ago. The ref didn't see either, but all the talk in the media on how he was lucky to get away with it !!!
I am personally sick of seeing the ref's/Match committee being paid off from the Panthers , there is literally no other explanation .
Unless you can explain something I don't know?
@@healthymindhealthybody9692I can explain it. You, like most of the league, can’t accept that Penrith are a level above, so you pretend that referee incompetence is actually a conspiracy…
@@TimTamGaming
You keep pretending that's the answer 🤣🤣
the Luai one had intent and was mallicious, he stopped his run, stepped, and lined Nel up with his shoulder, exactly what the illegal shoulder charge is also. Arguably worst of the 4 cases.
True but I would also charge the Storm player for lifting his forearm/elbow into the Penrith backrower which led to Luai payback However Luai already used his get out of jail card when he pushed the touch judge
@@BenWick-oc8pv you mean where Luai jumped off the ground to shoulder his head? Regardless, nothing about the players, the ruling and interpretation isn't about the technique or what actually happened, it's been ruled on injury lately
Luai the grub.
I love the fact because Laui is small, and Solomona is big, try say "that's nothing". He leaves the ground, leads with shoulder to the head, even worse I that th defender can't put up the bumpers like the other examples. If it had been the other way around, Solomona wouldn't play again this year. Absolute flops
Nelson broke Wade Egans jaw with a forearm drop to the face and didn't get anything lmao
Did Kenty get a send off for his high shots? I just want some consistency in the media coverage if the players had done the same things as Kenty?
Of course he did that's why he's MIA
Luai is a shoulder charge through and through, even left the ground to make it count. Ridiculous to say its not a sin bin or send off.
OMG and I thought of was the only one that saw it as clear as day .
Touching ref's ,pulling hair , hip drops , ankle twists , eye gouging, gloating about loosing in SOO when does it come to an end .
LITERALLY THE WORST PLAYER IN NRL
Everyone should know that Panthers are a protected species and can do whatever they want.
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Luai is for sure. You can push a ref, come in late with a shoulder and not suffer any sort of punishment.
Jerome luai can do what ever he wants to any player, and he makes sure the referees know as well. Bloody joke!!!
He got fined $3000 and he was fined $1800 after he pushed the ref and immediately apologised when he realised it was the touchie.@@shanewilson199
Wasn’t too long ago a certain Storm team were the protected just goes to show how fickle refs and fans are really😂
There need to be a massiv ecrackdown on forward passes
Buzz right.. consitancy is all we want
Well you need to follow another sport because in any game refereed by humans you will never get two people who see a fast-moving 360° impact involving multiple parties in exactly the same way. Every tackle is unique, so by definition "consistency" is a meaningless concept. People who say they want "consistency" just mean that they want other people to see the same things they do, while ignoring the aspects that make a tackle different from others. These guys on the panel all see tackles differently, yet it doesn't dawn on them how ridiculous it is that they then demand that others agree 100% on every minor detail.
Luai jumps, purposely shoulder carges and strikes nelson to the head, if thats consistent with other charges he should be looking at not playing again until week 1 or 2 of finals
Nelson is legend of the elbow to the face!
C’mon get real.
It was nothing tbh. Nelson didn't even realise what happened
If you're talking forceful contact it was literally piss weak lol. Sin bin for action maybe 1 week but feet leaving the ground when you can clearly see how little impact it had would be silly. Nelson literally didn't know that it even happened
@@thatguyedits1920 there has been alot weaker sin bins. He clearly had all the intent but because he’s a puny panthers poof he couldn’t do any damage.
@stokersruleok5863 that doesn't make it ok though? So if a grub gets nailed in the head its no penalty coz they are a grub? No mate, consistently is key here regardless of what team you follow.
NRL officials have to be clear that shoulder contact to the head is off. Then just keep with it, instead of enforcing intermittently throughout a season.
When I was a kid I used to watch shows like this talk about inconsistencies. And so did every kid in every sport. Perfection and humanity are oxymorons.
Spot on comment. Got to generate content though.
Yep, this show is truly pathetic. They just generate fake controversy to sell newspapers. "All I want is consistency" says the dribbler Rothfield, as if every human being sees exactly the same thing on every incident. They show a series of incidents where these four panelists can't agree on anything, yet they can't grasp the irony of them demanding that a bunch of officials agree on everything to four decimal places, all the time. You are never going to have eight humans see and think exactly the same thing, and only idiots carry on about it the way these clowns do.
I have been watching this game since 1972 when the great Manly team won!!
I was 9 years old.
This game today is a disgrace., I switch off as soon as the forward passes are allowed to flow.
A knock is when a ball bounces towards the opponents goal one.
But every ball that hits the ground the whistle goes?
WTF!
Yep it ain't the great game it once was...... my uncle palyed for the Roosters in that GF....
Gordon Tallis forced to retract his defamatory comments, another L for the gang
I'd suggest making it a touch comp but at this point, that'd still be too dangerous.
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dumb
Can’t believe Jerome didn’t get a suspension!!
the majority of the inconsistencies stem from the fact that the bunker considers the damage done to the player. if a player stays on the ground for 5 minutes then they’re obviously gonna send them off or bin them because it’s a bad look for the game. but if a player gets straight back up, the consequences are lessened (eg jarome luai). if it’s the exact same tackle, they need to enforce the same consequences regardless of what the tackle did to the player
Jarome is a protected species.
"Penlaty"
You'd think fox league would do a spell-check especially for the thumbnail
NAS comes straight off after that hit, looked concussed.
Commentary team even say "NAS looks tired" because he walks off groggy.
Ref let Penrith play the set and no advantage at all
Not suprising that Penrith player gets off the lightest
Honestly
The grubbiest player in the comp too.😂
You forgot Randal high shot on DWS on Report. And the innocuous face swipe that resulted for 10min in the bin for Nikora
Tallas the clown,clearly doesn't remember his time playing and what he got away with
Its hard to be consistent when its calls made by different refs they all would have seen it different exactly the same as 4 different people watch the same thing and could have different views and opinions
That's why Penrith is on top because ref favourite
360 has had the tigers in their headlines all year with made up rifts, rumours, and nonsense.
For the second time this year the refs have cost the tigers wins against the raiders in both games.
Yet not a squeak out of any of these muppets! These 4 are the biggest flogs that the nrl wouldn’t notice if none of the 4 woke up tomorrow
How so cost the Tigers on the weekend?
You had me then instantly lost me as soon as you mentioned the Tigers lol
"He's got a head like an Easter island statue!"🤣🤣
I remember the days when rugby league players mocked football players for playing a girls sport, now look where rugby league is at the moment, players taking dives at the slightest hit, crying to the referee as soon as someone scores. It’s turned me off watching, I think the women even are putting the men to shame at the moment.
Gordon Tallis is right, Gordon Tallis knows all about big hits
The NRL has shown that they don’t give a flying about the players or the fans. Fair enough about concussions, but come on….we just want consistency. If we don’t have refs, there’s no game….BUT referees are not untouchable. They make mistakes, however they seem to be making more glaring and game changing decisions these days. They should be put under scrutiny and challenged, especially when their f-ups are so obvious Blind Freddie can see them. I don’t mean they should be insulted. That’s just rude. But coaches and captains should be able to comment and questions decisions, without being fined.
Knock Buzz out and see what he says. Sin bin or send off.
Yeah, it all depends on which NRL team is flavoured to win.
NRL is rigged anyways.
The rule is very clear: If a Panther does it, it's okay
The hit of CNK was definitely a send off chanze was unable to continue
As soon as the tackler hits high such to the head should be sent off accident or not
Quite right Buzz, if any player kills another player they should only get sinbinned for 10 mins. Harden up NRL ! LOL
Nothing wrong with the Luai hit. You can clearly see Big Nelson attack Jerome's shoulder with his head. Play on, nothing to see here 😂
Sonny Bill must be laughing in his beer.😂
Guy is Muslim.
He’s Muslim
The bunker is the problem, we're seeing more replays than ads and they're not really consistent with their rulings, and linesman seem to be there for decoration
Talking about consistency, what about the Broncos game with Jesse Arthurs. Initially got a penalty, you can see Granville's shoulder hit Arthurs in the chin/cheek (accidental of course), we lose Arthurs for a Category 1 HIA and potentially lose him for this week as well but then the Bunker overrules the on field ref saying there was no contact with the head so the penalty is also taken away from the Broncos and it is play on..........so why did we just lose a good player for a few weeks to HIA if there was no contact with the head? As everyone says we just want consistency and this was the first game Saturday, immediately after the two send offs we had the night prior!
Direct contact to the head 10 mins, dangerous forceful contact to the head red
Where do you start with consistency. 10 metres? tackle restart? escorting? The list goes on and on. Even the bunker with slow motion can't get it right.
I reckon the comments section will just about explode with differing views & opinions on this topic 💥😜💥
You can add Moales shoulder charge to Blores head to that list.
Blore failed his HIA and was concussed and Moale stayed on the field
Only time buzz is right
If your on the receiving end of these tackles it's not very nice. Being a recipient of multiple head shots through these kind of hits I'm now unable to participate in the game that I love so much. I constantly suffered from migrains dizziness and nuisea. Common sense and reviews into the act of intent makes great common sense to me. Wally the king Lewis is a prime example of what can happen from repeated head blows.
you should have played touch if you didn't think you were going to get hit..... the game is what it is and has always been, a gladiator sport.... my uncle had 2 hip replacements after playing for the Roosters in the 70's, a broken jaw from a punch in the scrum, its tough, even as a schoolboy I broke my nose 12 times, broken wrist and concussion often...... all sports have risks, stuff the insurance companies they are ruining the game..... stiff arm and spear tackles aside, the bin is there to deal with the rest...
Bullshit
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Nutter
Laui’s is possibly the worst, he left the ground shoulder charged to the face. On an already tackled player. If the roles were reversed Nelson wouldn’t be playing the rest of the year.
I agree with Gordon, blanket rule if you make contact with the head it’s minimum 10 in the bin! Weather or not they hit ‘em hard is irrelevant
Almost every runner is lower and perfectly lines up with the more upright tacklers shoulder. Height differences and changes of angles, sometimes just dont line up.
Tacklers are wrestling rather than tackling
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It’s in bad shape!
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@@stokersruleok5863 Facts 💯
Poor Hoops is he still jumping on car bonnets full of booze or high as a kite
What! When was that? Link?
Why do the send offs receive a one week suspension while the sin bin gets three? Presumably being sent off indicates that it’s the worst tackle?
It's the third offense for Burgess so he gets a longer suspension because of that.
@@sammydavis5628 ah ok that makes sense. Thanks for the answer :)
burgess tackle was chest on chest absolutely pathetic from the NRL refs to call this as a 3 week ban
Luai is a dog. He didn't even attempt a serious tackle.
Should be based on leading with the shoulder. Burgess and Mo both led with the chest and got unfortunate with the ball runners head position. If you want to crack down you’d say they are sin bins, to me they are just penalties. Brown leads with the shoulder with intent, but doesn’t necessarily collect him too high so should be a sin bin also. Luai leads with the shoulder with intent and collects NAS on the point of the forehead. Regardless of outcome of the tackle Luai’s probably should’ve been the most likely to be sent off.
Should be a 3 point checklist of; Point of contact, leading with the shoulder, and the ball carriers ability to defend themselves. To me a 1 on 1 tackle that goes wrong is a lot less dangerous than defenders joining a tackle while the ball carrier is already wrapped up with no ability to defend themselves I.E Luais tackle. Bringing in “force” as a mitigating factor brings too many negative factors to the game, we should want blokes flying out of the line trying to whack each other because that’s the entertainment factor of the game. Send offs should be purely used for malicious acts and players blatantly playing the game in an unspirited way.
Nelson didn't get up spewing or pushing or grabbing or anything, so it was like a fly hitting him nothing in it by Nelson reaction
Granville on Arthur’s should of been at least a bin.
We can't blame the on field refs, blame the bunker. Credit where it's due to Jason D & his brutally honest comments about his Bunnies in the presser. It's so refreshing to see a coach actually praise the ref, touchies & bunker against his own side coz then u compare Jas to Ivan. U see in Ivan's pressers why his players are the arrogant upstarts they are. Look the Riff are a brilliant side & the most dominant side for the last 4/5 years but with that comes with humility & it's starts at the top. Ivan's as arrogant as his players & do we even need to speak about Luai? The Riff are the Storm of a decade ago, the NRL's protected species. If Nelson hit Luai in a reverse scenario not only would've Nelson been sent but Ivan would've blown up & the talk once again would be about protecting the playmakers, the little men like Joey craps on about constantly like a broken record.
Best comment here. 100% spot on
Gordon Tallis is spot on, head shots should be red cards. Chest down for tackle height.
Gordie played in times of more on field intimidation etc yet even he says a hit to the head is a send off.He is absolutely correct.
Tackling techniques have changed so much over the years we now have tacklers coming in totally upright trying to make to ball and all shoulder tackles resulting in a slight error of judgement shoulders hitting the head.
Let's be real the best tackler in the comp is arguably Jake Tribo who bends his back and hits hard either under ball or on the ball forcing an error from the opposing player.Kafusi is another who hits lower than most and hits hard.Until tacklers start bending their backs instead of remaining upright far too many head knocks will continue.
The melodramatic music 😂
Ben Trbojevic could’ve of stopped breathing
show the Holmes one, that kid he hit didn't even go for a HIA stayed on the field and he gets 4 weeks
It is a high tackle and a send off (sin bin or outright) and a suspension IF.... the player is on a team at the bottom of the ladder. It is either play on or on report with a "no case to answer" if the player is in a top of the ladder team. Simple
I’m a sharks fan there was nothing in the tackle with Tom
Luais was the worst of them, he was third man intentionally shouldering the head
Tough when a ref hasn’t played for them to actually know rugby league
League in the 90s and naughts when I started watching was absolutely brutal.
So much grub behaviour in the tackles. The intensity always leads to grub behaviour. These battering rams have to have a life after league. Stop charging shoulders into heads.
Get better at tackling. Go lower. It's a skill issue. Times change and the dinosaurs don't have to worry about CTE.
As far as consistency in penalties goes, well its obvious the referees are not on the same page so until they come together as one and agree on a suitable punishment for this sort of misdemeanor, the inconsistency will continue....
these muppets don’t even know if they agree with each other or not hahah
So easy to fix. Any contact with the head, 10 min. and the four examples show Forceful contact sent off. The problem is we will see 9 on 10. 4-5 sin bins a game, The media and fans whinging. So we don't call it unless some one gets knocked out or some one comes out like the king and says they have CTE.
Then the game is done?
@@stokersruleok5863 that's what i mean, its an easy fix but it will destroy the game. one big chicken and the egg situation
If you listen to each commentator, and you know what club/s they’re loyal to, you begin to understand why they argue so much because they’re defending their favourite players and clubs and not calling the penalties for what they are.
If these guys can't agree amongst themselves on what does or doesn't constitute a send-off penalty, then what hope is there that a panel watching slow-mo is going to do the same thing. So, I agree with Gordon here that there has to be a law set in stone, no bias, knockout or not. It's the same as with spear tackles. Make contact with the head and it's an instant send-off, no ifs or buts. It's about player safety and continuing health. The game has been blasé to this kind of action that even one of the guys in the panel said, on the Luai incident, that Luai didn't hit the ball carrier hard enough for it to constitute a penalty at all. As a whole, we either say that's not on in this sport or let it go on status quo.
NRL should inventivise low tackles. This would solve the issue.
Low tackle taking the player straight to the ground should be a dominant tackle with the defender allowed to hang onto the legs or lie all over them. With the exception of clear line breaks.
In a standing tackle as soon as the ball carrying arm is wrapped up and momentum stopped it should be held and 6 again if the player is wrestled to the ground.
This would completely change currently trained tackling technique in the middle.
It should be like union they have it spot on its a tiered system 1. Did he get contact to the head 2. Did he try to avoid 3. Was it an aggressive hit. It’s not hard union have had the blueprint for years
Gordon has it right, if he was on the field he expects no one to hit him in the head. This should be the standard and all head contacts should be sent off. Just watch the sloppy tackling improve quick smart.
At the same time the NRL judiciary needs to be clear on the penalties involved. How about offenders serve a length of time that matches the recovery time of the struck player? If that is six months then so be it!
The way i see it, if a player is taken out by an illegal high shot and has an HIA and is ruled out, the person who has make the illegal hit has to be sent off, you're taking out a player for the game and potentially next week you need to go
what about that elbow from manly 14 on roosters 15?
Any head contact should be ruled the same, end of story. Forwards are going to often make head contact to an attacking player.
Fotuiaka's one match suspension only shows that it shouldn't have been. a send off
Panther double standards well done nrl this is getting ridiculous
Have to agree with Gordy.
I agree with all of them except Burgess. That was deadset soft as ice cream, binning him for that.
If there running out the line surly they can chop the legs 1 on 1 I agree with Gordy
NRL is getting soft now🤣🤣😂
Luai was 10 in the bin, shoulder charge to the head 🙄
Buzz is the man
Buzz is an old drunk that rarely makes a coherent argument.
Good on ya Gordy. Leave the head alone
All the talk about head injuries, concussions etc, Wally Lewis comes out with sad news and yet they’re arguing a shoulder to the head ain’t that bad. Make your mind up. What do you want for the game?
Wally Lewis was in the news few days ago, we all moved on. Just like we were only scared of covid while told to be
As per usual, it's the inconsistency that does it for me, more than the severity of the tackle. If people want to weep and carry on about CTE, then don't complain when refs go psycho about send offs for head contact. But we all know if any Penrith player made a tackle like this, they wouldn't be sent, plain and simple. And that's where the true problem lies.
13 on 13 is the game, 12 on 13 isn't! Wake up NRL.
All cheap shots, intent or not. get down and tackle, it's not just the head, but the attention around the neck - caused by wrestling, that's what I'm sick of, good on the refs, this might force players to lower and actually tackle again. Good eg. The abolishment of the hip drop, has caused players to tackle low with their legs away from the player.
if your taller than another player you have to adjust, and you can still get the same result of a stinging tackle. Players have become lazy in the 2 up 1 low tackling system, causing it to become dangerous. It's time to start tackling again, not wrangling players like cattle
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Burgess wasn’t a cheap shot. That was chest to chest, with force. The impact caused whiplash but there was no direct contact to the head.
Most if not all has the player falling in the tackle… they weren’t cheap shots
@@ronanrogers4127 maybe not, but he's got to lower himself,, he still hit him in the jaw, they just paused it, with his shoulder on his jaw
@@CTA12356 really, it's taller guys not lowering themselves to tackle...and C,mon Burgess does this alot. In union they all sendoffs
Refs may as well flip a coin these days to decide the player's fate.
They are worring too much about the outcome and not the intent. Luai's wad actually the worst in that regard.
To think a guy can come flying in with a cocked elbow an miss, he'll get nothing but be an inch closer and break a jaw hell get 10 weeks is ridiculous.
Gordy is the only sensible one here.
Penalty. Fox spell check classic
What about the storm trainer sent off 😂
Where's Paul Kent When You Need Him 😆
Paul Kent still appears on air, via the voice of James Hooper. The latter is a lightweight kitten who says whatever Kent tells him to.
Shoulder to head… red card! Simple solution tackle lower