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In this video I explore 3 alternate countries from pieces of fiction. Namely Panem from the Hunger Games series, The Federation of the Americas from Call of Duty Ghosts, and New Asia from the 2023 film The Creator.
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Panem's map is highly innacurate. It's more likely the territory they claim is mostly uninhabited and most of the districts aren't very populated and concentrated in a few areas and settlements
R/imaginary Maps has a few maps that detail how sparse panem's control is in what was us terrritory
Hi.
Back in 5th grade I had a friend named Damon, and he was like the most weird emo kid ever. He was also obsessed with COD and MW2, and was convinced that The Federation was a real country and didn't budge when I told him it was fake💀
Edit: one last detail I forgot to add was he didn't like being called Damon, he preferred "Ghost"
One more edit, another Damon story. One time he had a plastic bag filled with black olives and black olive juice (I assume he poured a can of olives into the bag) and he drank the juice right in front of me. It was so gross, then he ate all like 20 or 30 olives in like 20 minutes. I still gag when I think about it lol
Also I liked to wake him up when he slept during recess (he never played). So yes, he was quite the oddball. We were friends tho
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Russian "FEDERATION" duh🙄
@accidiaet nah I asked him to point it out and he pointed at Latin America he was serious
Sounds like Damon could use some geography classes
What happened to him when he hit 7th grade social studies
In the Creator, actually, one of the extra's, a child in a village wears a Cambodia football/soccer jersey, implying they are somehow sovereign. Think Scotland in the UK's relationship.
That would make them a non-sovereign country in such terms technically. The nations of the UK in our world are England, Scotland, wales, and northerners Ireland. They have devolved parliaments, but the sovereign state is the UK itself. You seem to be mostly right, just the use of the word sovereign is the sticking point. Then again, the Jersey could exist as either a remnant of the old nation, or the team could function sort of as a subdivisional team of some sort in the movie.
Scotland isn't sovereign.
@@venmis137yeah but they still have their own national identity apart from being in the UK, a child wearing their countries jersey while being part of an even larger union isn’t too out of the box
@@arthurmorgan3180Yes, being Scottish is a distinct nationality, but that doesn't make Scotland a sovereign state.
I feel like Panem really is a severely depopulated north America given all of the devistation, so I feel that each district only directly controls some population centers and resource locations, but that the borders are largely vague spheres of inlfience with each district only connected by train
I think it’s more accurate to assume that the districts are more like cities than covering the areas of massive states, and also very likely that Panem is actually overstating there size for propaganda reasons.
katnis said if she cross the border of panem she could live freely, suggest that the borders is really in panem's control
@@StephaneTheard distric 13 confirm it size as rel not just capital's propaganda
I imagine something like that as well in my adaptation. The cities/towns I marked would be the only places where people live. Outside of those towns the countryside would be pretty much entirely devoid of human life.
I imagine the borders as simply being legal boundaries. Like in the real world, plenty of national or state borders are in the middle of nowhere.
I do think they would've been more relevant boundaries before the first rebellion and start of the hunger games however. It's mentioned in the prequel that the Covey people migrated throughout Panem, going from district to district. It didn't sound like that would've been by train, that's at least not the notion I got. So perhaps people weren't as limited to population centers pre rebellion, with some limited rural population existing.
Fun Fact: Book Katniss is ethnically ambiguous, likely a Melungeon since D12 is Appalachian.
Melungeon?
What is that?
@@Terranallias18a black person descended from domestic servants or something, (quick google search led me here) probably not true
@Terranallias18 it's a multi ethnic identity common in Appalachia. European, Indigenous American, and some African.
@@komododragon6061
A piola
Funny how New Asia intentionally left out Sulawesi and the Malukus, considering they already controlled the Lesser Sunda Islands south of those two
It is probably a remnant of an old naval invasion by the US I mean if you see the map in the movie south Vietnam is not a part of new Asia which is quite strange
@@fitawiroyudho3988 It's a Vietnam war allegory.
@Neatling - The Panem map with its sea level rise gave me an idea... What if all the ice melted - like in Hunger Games - but it just suddenly happened to be that way? You could melt everything at a certain time period, like the 1800s or WW2, and see how humanity would respond.
No there's an idea
Mid WW1/2 would be wild
@@topsdaily_productions I think the inter-war era might have the most potential. It already saw the rise of new ideologies and ideas of nationality.
I remember in the final Hunger Games book it was discussed that if the war continued as is, the population of Panem was facing a genetic bottleneck from population loss.
Its also curious how after decades, District 13 never tried making contact with outside nations for assistance.
There might not be other nations or other nations near by at least.
The Federation thing may not be so realistic, but how beautiful it is to imagine that my beloved Venezuela can create a great superpower in another universe 🥲
😂
Actually most of the world in the Hunger Games is uninhabitable. Though it is vague in the books, Katniss clearly indicates that humanity screwed up big time and caused nuclear war or accelerated climate change. Even though Katniss doesn’t know exactly what happened, we can pretty much guess what happened to the world.
Is katniss white or black?
@@Based_Gigachad_001 White. Why does it matter? It’s not like most black people are straight from Africa, plenty of black people in born in U.S. Katniss’s stylist is black.
She and the rest of the people in the Seam (the poorest part of District 12) are described as “olive”.
"Never fought the US in World War 2." Considering the Philippines was a US Colony before World War 2, I wonder how they snagged the Philippines without angering Uncle Sam. But then again considering the state of writing in movies nowadays, I guess this unrealistic detail is something the producers judged that people "wouldn't mind."
Bought it lol
Wasn't the U.S. working towards Philippine independence prior to WW2? I imagine the U.S. just let's them loose, and over some decades, Japan slowly builds ties until the Philippines are nominally in her empire. I struggle to understand how Japan could have lost to China in this scenario, though. Maybe Japan didn't in fact lose to China in the 1940s, but instead lost to a resurgent China decades later, somehow able to retain Indochina but not Korea.
@@J7Handle USSR? perhaps in this alternate reality it was CCP that fought the japan empire thus they could ask for help to the soviet union, and obviously korea is not an exception
Keep in mind the Japanese empire part is just my made up scenario, the producers as far as I know haven't given much thought to how New Asia was founded. But yeah, there would have to be some additional change in the world's history with the Philippines. Perhaps they gained independence earlier, were never colonized by the US, or perhaps Japan was able to capture them or purchase them from Spain before the US.
Of course there still is Japan defeating the US in ww2. But I seriously doubt that was possible.
New Asia could also have nothing to do with the Japanese empire. Although given that Japan is shown as being a part of it, I have a hard time imagining it not being a state founded by Japan.
@@_martian101 So the Soviets would help push the Japanese out of China and Korea, and even Taiwan, but leave Indochina for the Chinese to try to take by themselves, and Japan successfully defends, leaving us with a united China protected by the Russians, but the rest of the Japanese empire untouched. I can see that being plausible.
The fact you made this WITHOUT Oceania from 1984 is absolutely vile.
Was expecting slop, got some actual decent quality, good job
Glad to see you’re still making vids neatling
Panem could also be along the lines of a Manifest Destiny + if you know what I mean. Like if the U.S. won the war of 1812, and annexed more of Mexico after winning the Mexican American War.
i believe that panem is a result of the defeat of the US in WW3 not long after WW2 ended, it reborn as isolated authoritarian state just like our north korea, the evidence is that they accomplished technological advancement way more rapid than our world even though their population are very low with very limited human resources as panem divided by 12 districts and only few districts got proper education, those technologies must be imported from very advanced nations outside north america.
I love The Federation.
I personally interpeted new asia and the creatlr existing in a world where the axis powers won wwii like a TNO scenario, but eventually, wwiii happened in the late 20th century with japan losing some of their land. Also the nuke was made later
japan wage war against US is a fatal mistake no matter in which alternate universe you live in
Another thing I like about the movie is that it doesn't explain how new asia came to be, since in their point of view it would be common knowledge for everyone with no need for exposition.
Burgundy
Underrated channel
You should cover alternate countries from the Wolfenstein universe, it's a really interesting alternate history and I honestly wonder what most of the world looks like in it
I wouldn't doubt it if the federation really was real
The federation in cod ghosts is one of my favourite concepts ever from cod. I just love the idea of South American rising up to take on the USA. So much so i even have plans to make my own version of the federation in one of my story’s with added backstory to make it a bit more realistic.
I love the federation from ghosts a lot as well because it wasn’t just Russia or china being the antagonist like a lot of modern games did at the time so coming up with something basically not done was really cool. And yes I’m very biased and still aware the federation has flaws as villain but that doesn’t matter to me. Also cod ghosts was my first cod campaign so yeah even more bias i guess lol.
They could've have given The Federation a better backstory.
Like they could have said fascism was increasing in Latin America, and since fascism is notorious for making up a common enemy to rally the masses ( like Hit*ler blamed the Jews for everything) Latin Americans could've built up hatred for the Imperialist practices of Anglo America ( The USA, Canada, Guyana and other Anglo American nations).
And the Latin Americans rallying behind the Federation could've easily been explained by the fact The USA deposed democratically elected governments in favor of brutal dictatorships in Latin America during the Cold War, thus creating an anti-american sentiment amongst the people ( This happened during the Cold War in our world)
As a venezuelan, watching Latin America integrated as an entire block of countries that can easily rivalize with other countries blocks like NATO is my dream
No Florida? How is that considered a Dystopia?
With my birth state gone, Florida Men would be extinct, which could be a good or bad thing for the rest of the country.
Hey what music did you use in your video?
For my gta verse lore. There’s some version of Panem that exists. It’s called Aquila. It was some former Mexican imperial sovereign state. Its population was made of former confederate migrants, southern Americans, Filipinos and some South Americans. But its main culture is vaquero. Cowboy. But it’s also ran as a one party government when it declared independence. But yet had some North American influence and was used as some proxy nation for gripping on South America. Especially against the Brazilian empire. But also it had corporatocracy on the rise. The nation felt collapse coming with social inequality in the 1980s. Warring with South American neighbors because of drug trafficking. And economic collapse by 1994. Truly going the cyberpunk world route. But it never had the capitol clown world fashion. However the clown world fashion would exist as normal from Forestosa. A ecotopian nation that has elements of cascadia and happens to be the most neutral country in the Americas or Mu/ Strange real region.
Also the ghosts federation had some roots when it was the predecessor state. The Andean federation. A Peru led union consisting of Peru, rump state Ecuador, Chile and Colombia. With Allie’s like solis, and Volanca. Made as some third party power of the Americas. As well as some anti communist pact. To avoid communism taking over Latin America. But then the collapse of 94 caused even the Andean federation some instability. And soon the second South American war caused the union to become a war zone. The USA, Brazil and Aquila tried to stabilize the Andean federation. But the rebels and Chinese soldiers driven the invaders out of the countries. Soon Venezuela took over the federation and reformed it as some Bolivarian super state. With China and a reformed Iran as its Allies. This caused some problems with the USA and Brazil. They conquered most of South America except for the guyanas, Brazil, and Argentina. But soon, they target their enemy that caused the cycle of instability: Aquila.
As for that pan Asian Union, there’s a gta meta verse lore about this worlds Japan where the Japanese never de militarize and the USA aided them with advisors and allow them to create an anti communist pact of Asia pacific. In case China faces the communist forces towards their borders. They would aid China against Russia. Japan would lean trade and diplomacy. Allowing Japanese corporations to dominate parts of Asia. As well as boosting China to become its own superpower. But japans military pact was also made in case China wants to militarize against Asia
Glad your gta verse lore has some rebooted sense.
You should cover zombie apocalypse nations. Think the Civic Republic of Philadelphia, FEDRA and WIKID
Please do a version of this for Alternate History books.
They say Pan Am is the only country
they could make such propaganda if they're literally worse than north korea which they did
What If Africa was never colonized
Huts
@@saulspanco854basically because of how strict their culture was before and how limited the opportunity was for technology progression yes
Thank you, and what about the lore of Gilead Republic in Handmaid's Tale?
What if Elizabeth I builded a colonial empire?
I figured New Asia would be a ASEAN thing
Same
Could be, totally possible. The thing that threw me off though was Japan seemingly being a part of it on the map, and several characters speaking Japanese. That's what pushed me down the surviving Japanese empire route, given that in a future more unified ASEAN Japan wouldn't be particularly relevant. I doubt it would want to join such a union.
But on the other hand that's probably not any more unrealistic than the Japanese empire somehow surviving.
1:49 Well, aren’t there decent sized stretches of wilderness between the districts?
There would be in my rendition. For the population to be as low as it is, people would have to be limited to basically just the population centers I put on the map. Outside of that I imagine the countryside is completely devoid of human life apart from maybe a handful of isolated communities that managed to hide from the government.
Its likely that the great lakes dried out
What if the Indo-Europeans never existed at all??
my favorite Fiction Maps is from gundam 00 ...... It is very close to our future world .
Part 2 please
I liked Vile Eye's theory that Panem nuked all the survivors of the apocalypse
Why the fuck is there a city named Constantinople on Panama?
Bruh, "The Federation" is basically the "Patria Grande" dream + Brasil.
Honestly not too bad sans CoD writing.
I know COD is just a Game, but Venezuela having possession of North and South Santander and Guajira?!
They wish they could
😄😆😂🤣
The Hunger Games map, RIP us Floridians.
Don’t forget Gilead. Sorry, that already exists. 🤓
why Sulawesi was not included in the Japanese empire
HELLO
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WA and CDP from BO3 next
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Do more Fictional country videos like this one.
how would japan get the philippines if it was a US colony and kinda the reason they attacked the US in the first place
Sorry where’s INGSOC
Emerica Union
I would love to have sea nations form a union like europe.
"Official languages: MEXICAN"
Hi
Hello
Next do a video ab😮colony tv series of America and then do 2012 end of the world movie of 2008 world map please
中国と韓国を入れてないのが最高😂
Betonamu ローマ字なのおもろい
Can u make what if west was communist and East democrat
Official Languages:
English, Mexican (💀is spanish btw), Quebecois
Let's follow the world of the atomic heart.
The assimilation of Taiwanese people into Japan was actually going quite well in the real history. Taiwan had already been ruled by Japan for 50 years at the end of WW2, she was the oldest (and the most loyal) colony of Japan.
She???
Some language give genders to countries. Like in French France is a she, the UK a he, Germany aa she and so on, I would assume the person isn't. native English speaker where you use It. @@nerdy8644
Costa Rica would separate its better...like an isolated Island.
The federation just straight up makes me so mad, like out of all the possible enemies Call of duty could have shows in they seriously decided to turn Venezuela into a goddamn superpower, You know the worst part is that the game isn't even that bad The shooting is excellent the charachters are good.... The only problem is the story It's just..... so goddamn retarded.
Why? Many countries in history have become superpowers in a short time
@@Ksavero777. Oh yeah many have, the US, China, Rome Persia All of them became a superpower in a single generation The time line isn't the problem, Hell the United States went from a regional power to the 4th global superpower in a single 5 year period, Hell they went from a meddling regional power to the global hyperpower in just 30 years.
The reason the federation doesn't make any sense is the nation that they picked, Venezuela, All of the rapid make super powers have some major advantages or circumstances that allow them to become superpowers in the first place.
Rome had an excellent agricultural scene that allowed them to urbanize to a level never before seen in history This allowed them to have a much quicker development of technology and knowledge than any other competitor they faced.
Persia was the religious center for the fastest growing religion at the time allowing it to unify Great squads of land at a time when city-states were the norm while the Greeks and Asians were on decline allowing them to grow unchallenged.
As for the United States..... Well honestly that United States is straight up Bullshit, It is such a ridiculously wealthy territory in terms of every possible resource, national security, Fertile land and ease of transportation that it was literally impossible for it to not become a super power.... Like seriously the only place you can even mind the silicon necessary for modern chips is in the United States, and even when it comes to rare earth metals the one thing that everybody thought there wasn't much off in the United States it turns out that no actually they have not only the largest REM reserves in the world They actually have more rare earth metals than the rest of the world combined.... By a factor of like four, because again the United States is absolute bullshit.
The problem with the federation is that Venezuela has nothing, They have oil and they have nothing else, They don't have the industry to support a superpower status They don't have the population to support a superpower status They don't have the resources necessary for independence as a superpower, Brazil, Argentina hell even Mexico no Especially Mexico They would all make sense as a future superpower, In the case of Mexico it's almost guaranteed to become a superpower in the future And that's why the federation makes me so mad because I'm pretty sure that they pulled a home front.
I can almost guarantee that Call of duty Ghost was originally meant to have Mexico as the enemy, and was hastily rebranded to have the federation's capital be Venezuela instead so that it would be easier stomach as an enemy regardless of how little sense it makes.
@@anarchyandempires5452Let me guess, Chilean? Also, Venezuela has a lot more than hydrocarbons, it has large reserves of strategic minerals, rare earths, uranium, bauxite, iron ore, coal, hydroelectric complexes, good arable land, a relatively flat topography that reduces the cost and complexity of building infraestructure plus logistics except for the andinian region, a geostrategic location with easy access to the atlantic and the pacific, so in a hypotetical scenario and with proper industrial policy leveraging heavy industries + cheap energy, you get the basic building blocs of a military power, but then again so could Brazil, at a higher cost due to its size.
The main issue with the federation, is that a major military superpower needs state of the art infraestructure to rapidly deploy manpower + resources and thats an issue in South America, the Andes and the Amazon are major natural barriers, it would take a transgenerational effort and a big chunk of the continents GDP to build the necessary links to connect all the industrial hubs and cities, it would have to be something equivalent to what China did the past 3 decades.
Central America is not much better either, narrow and full of jungles.
My problem with New Asia is that it seems unlikely that Japan would be able to sign a treaty with the Europeans when they won the Sino-Japanese War, Europe threatened war with them if they didn't abandon their colonies in China. Also Imperial Japan reforming while maintaining their empire is laughable, they had set up the fascist government specifically so that these reforms wouldn't work, the only way they changed was due to the US occupation
Latin America super power?? Only in games 😅😅😅
Não duvidei nada quando li o comentário, mas quando eu li o nome eu tinha certeza que era um BR, só pela esperança passada no comentário
@@sainjor3932 😂 só quem mora por aqui para saber a chance zero disso aqui dar certo
@@Xandao_O_Imperador_de_Banania as pessoas não sabem oque é futuro, então mano, humildemente, duvido, sem esperança ou com esperança, duvido...
@@Xandao_O_Imperador_de_Bananiamaybe for South América. México just needs a good leader and government. And it would be easy to create a Centro América Unión because Guatemala, salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua were part of Mexico at some point.
I love Ghosts so much. Screw the Federation.
This just shows how strong the us is. Not even a united South America could beat them after they industrialised more and took over American weapons
TEXAS WILL ALWAYS HAVE ITS BORDERS
mate your mic is not that good its like a drum going off in my ear didnt even get 20 secs in get a new mic mate