MORE Hellmuth Antics! Online Cheaters Barred From EPT? - DAT Poker Podcast Episode
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- 0:05 Intros - WSOP Hype
7:10 Hustler Livestream/Hellmuth Discussion Begins
15:00 Novices Pick Up On Phil's Gameplan Immediately
21:40 Angle Shooting Hand Breakdown
38:00 PH's Personal Attacks On Players, Daniel's Solution
44:30 The "Hellmuth Is Great vs Amateurs" Narrative
48:40 Alleged Online Cheaters Schindler & Imsirovic Barred From EPT Monte Carlo?
1:00:30 Tweets Of The Week
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Phil made Tony G into one of my favorite poker players. "You're a disgrace to the game" Phil proves it over and over again.
I just saw that video today. I enjoyed it thoroughly
I love Phil. Phil is content
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Disgrace to the game? Your not really a fan of poker, only clips of poker on youtube. Hellmuth is a legend in the poker scene, he won 16 bracelets you idiot. He won 13 world championships and holds both world records of cash finishes and final tables in wsop. But of course you guys wouldnt know this, you only know about poker by watching youtube. Youre not a fan of the actually poker scene. Youre casuals of poker that know nothing about the game. Hellmuth has made 30million in poker, hes definitely one of the best poker players ever.
Ninja’s river 10 was my favorite moment; I’ve never laughed so hard watching a poker stream before🤣🙌🏼
it's almost like karma is real :)
On what streamer.platform was it
@@larsin2998 It was last Sunday on HCL
@@larsin2998 hustler casino live TH-cam
I love Alexandra. Great person and very likeable. I think Alan should be recognized for being the poker player that treated these "noobs" to a good game. His loss was a "contribution" to the sport. 👊🏼 bravo
@@Matthew_F The First National Bank of Alexandra Botez was open all stream long. You wonder if she still has any IOUs from the others, and possibly if she gets another HCL stream, ask Daniel, Lynne Ji, and possibly either Jennifer Harman or Jennifer Tilly if they want to come in? And ask Ludwig if other "big baller-shot caller deep pocket" streamers want to play?
@@Matthew_F WPT Global would have to sponsor a Vegas meetup since Daniel said that except for a tournament, he would NOT travel outside Vegas for poker. Either that or Hustler Casino would put up a bullet for the next Million Dollar Game that Lud throws. Because it was part game, part party, all Wild and Wooly. MrBeast threw chips with rebuys like Alan Keating, and Alexandra showed she could handle the Pokerbrat. Phil could talk, but Alexandra walked away with the cash. (So who had the last laugh, Phil?)
I cant belive Negreanu didnt say anythibg about Alexandra, they both have Romanian perents!
@@tiagomota4734 Maybe he wanted to see all Alexandra had before he weighed in? People have gotten flamed and trolled for liking that Alexandra had a good showing (and I've been one, sadly). Haters gonna hate even with things proven in front of them.
Im sure you know but everyone was saying "why was Dnges not there" I think Daniel is the #1 crowd pick for net time. According to reddit anyway. Also Id love to see Dnegs and Perrson at a table.
Persson isn't even a pro. He's also a massive douchebag. Less screen time for that guy please.
N e v e r g o N N a h A p p e n
@@suchabadbeat2617 Perrson maybe not but daniel for sure.
@@suchabadbeat2617 or did you mean ill never see Dnegs and Perrson? Why not if so?
@@patleaf2432 dnegs is a pokerGo partner never gonna appear on rival show
Big lesson for Hustler casino (and others who do regular poker streaming) on which pros they should pick if they really want to promote the game.
I would get spewtards and maniacs. Helmuths game is boring. Too nitty for a live stream. I love watching brandon Cantu. And Chino Rheem
I believe I heard Ryan (the producer?) say that they were gunna have him back again last night and chat was mad 😤
@@thomas8794 Daniel?
Phil, Daniel, Tony would be nice combo
Yeah Phil is a jack ass, but he creates controversy and thus more views. Which is more important than anything else
Love this so much. Honest takes on the Phil game with all the streamers. I really hope they do another game but have someone other than Phil... cough DNegs cough.
Specifically, they should bring Tom (and Alan) back and invite Dnegs because that way the narrative can only be “they didn’t invite Phil back because he was awful.” If they bring a new slate of pros, one could push the narrative that it was just “somebody else’s turn”
Right, either Antonio or Dnegs would have been much better choices. Tom was fine; it’s just too bad he had jet-lag. You could tell he was struggling to stay awake.
If they bring back Phil they gotta put Tony G or Perssons at the table
@@user-gk1il8kh1l sadly tony g moved to some country in the Baltic’s and works in politics there.
@@gunslinger1665 :( who’s gonna bring the trikes and big heart to the table now
Phil was going to fold, he was in a folding mentality. Thats why he pushed the card in the way he did. But then tried to take it back once he snapped out of the folding mentality once he knew he was good. He is such a dbag. He should not have been in that game in the first place. Just imagine a lineup of Daniel and Doug with these fellas. They would 100% engage in the tabletalk, the looser play, the over the top straddles and not buyin for the minimum. That would have made this game better than it was. Now people got to see pokers biggest ego do his thing playing like an idiot unable to adapt.
you have no idea what you're talking about. no chance he was folding or angle shooting. Don't ever start playing poker because you would not be good at it.
Alex's best quip was "sorry Phil, I can't hear you over this stack of chips". I'd LOVE to see Phil playing a 10-year old chess prodigy beating his ass and making fun of him. Phil would have a cardiac arrest. Alex looks fragile but looks are deceiving.
i was so uncomfortable how phil wouldnt even refer to alex by her name, chess girl is so patronising. He should be so embarrassed with how he acted its honestly disgusting
The restrooms are MUCH bigger within the Bally's/Paris ballrooms than what Rio had to offer. The ballrooms themselves are massive and Paris in particular is very upscale in comparison to Rio. The two convention center entrances are also adjacent to each other-- so that's convenient. Walking through feels like the WSOP belongs there and that Rio will be to the franchise like Binion's was for the first move. Food options are short but for us minions there is a food court at the lower level immediately below Bally's tournament area. The real issue is the parking. There are plenty of space, yes, but accessing them is the problem. Try exiting Paris parking garage on a Friday/Saturday night... or crossing the Strip and navigating down Flamingo to/from the game. Also, if you have a larger vehicle-- have fun getting up the narrow ramp into the self-parking area.
Terrence: "It's for sure not rocket surgery" Love it. It's not brain science either :)
The thing that I found most egregious of the Slime/Phil hand of "what an angle shooter would do" is not what anybody's talking about. It's that Slime knocks the table after Phil "mucks" and Phil doesn't clarify RIGHT THEN that he hasn't folded or ask Slime why he's doing that.
If slime turned over an A with better kicker PH folds, swears and berates him. Classic Hellmuth and complete scumbag move. The rabbit turn 6 is even worse, Slime loses a pot he would have won had PH called. The 5k, and the money in the middle forfeit.
The fact there is even a discussion about this hand shows how terrible PH is at relating to people. His behavior over the whole session is embarrassing and I hope more players start standing up to him in the coming years ala Eric Perssons.
Love the podcast, boys! FYI, audio of the podcast on the audio-only version is waaaay off this week (#123)….a lot of dead audio or all of your voices talking over each other. This is my first time checking out the TH-cam version. Peace.
Phil's reputation speaks for itself. No angle shooting. He's a diva. Not someone to cheat on purpose. Come on bro, chop the pot.
Phil could of bought in for a Million lose it all rebuy for another Million and be fine. It's not like he doesn't have money...He decided to buy in low and try to win big. I was most upset when he blew up after she called with A 9 and won.
i watched partes of the stream on demand and in most spots phils opened his mouth i pressed the forward key to skip him. It was so cringe how he was trying to befriend the richer kids.
30:53 Disagree, TChan and DNegs. Two examples: Hellmuth tried to confuse players (Dwan, Patrik, Ivey) into selling him "reverse insurance" on a Poker After Dark episode against Ivey.
Another HSP cash game hand against Eli Elezra, Phil had the best hand going into the river, and wanted to insure against Eli's 3 outs (to lose the pot for Phil entirely; any of the other 41 cards comes, he loses the insurance). When the river card results in a chop pot, Hellmuth refused to pay the insurance premium; he essentially hustled the table (Patrik, Ivey) into paying him 17:1 when the true odds when chopped pots are ignored were much less.
Daniel!
Daniel!
We want to hear the Annie Duke stories on the S4Y pod with Berkey. Accept the invite.
Nobody loathes Phil more than Terrence. 🤣 just bring up Phil Hellmuth name and rant incoming
You do not muck your cards to another player. You either call, raise or muck. If you want to show another player your cards, you hand them to them and make clear to all other players that you aren't folding. Phil deserves no faith in his integrity that he isn't mucking when he was.
Phil plays the Hustler stream like a 1-2 reg from 1997 Taj Mahal in AC
Haha, still the same guy
No Phil, FAIR is you putting in 25k and removing yourself from the hand. My conclusion is that Phil wins poker scumbucket of the year award with no close competition, and should be awarded appropriately.
Having Hellmuth in a high stakes cash game is a tragic mistake. Hellmuth is worth 100+ million and plays like a gigantic nit.
Also TAKE OFF THAT FUCKING CRYPTO SHIT COIN HAT PHIL.
As much as you and Phil have a rivalry, I can really appreciate you defending him, and after listening to you it made much more sense to me.
That being said... I never... ever... want to be at Phil's table if I am ever lucky enough to get a chance to play in the WSOP. You either lose to him and he's nice, or he makes you uncomfortable on tv and embarrasses you if you win.
And I give you 110% props, because at first I was a bit judgemental about your online play when you lost. You would get upset, and huff and puff in situations... but then I took a closer look at myself and realized I do the same exact thing, maybe even more! But you NEVER get out of line in person, especially on TV. Much Respect.
I hope to 1 day to get a chance to play in the WSOP + against you. Back to my $11 online tournaments.
He embarrasses himself. Don't let others do this to you.
Will Negreanu consider discussing Hellmuth's 9-1 record on HSD????? He hasn't played anyone good right?????? I'm asking for a friend
Phil on that stream played like a poker stars play money scrub that rages every time someone doesn’t act instantly.
You are wrong about Phil Hellmuth Daniel. He is not an ethical person and his behaviour shows it over and over again for decades. It boils my blood that sycophants and cowards allow this bully to get away with breaking the rules endlessly. Especially abusive behaviour rules.
You should do the podcast on discord instead, quality will be much better that way
19:00 poop? Lol
lmfao
I watched the full stream and I thought he had folded.the commentator thought he had folded.the fact Is if the guy had turned a bigger hand he would have folded
The irony is he thought playing these amateurs would be like printing money and then could not cope with the loose play. Once saw him fold JJ high stakes.then spend all night saying he would have flopped. The house and won a fortune and he is still doing that if only
This is the Daniel I love. You will always be my favorite player. Did you watch the heads up tournament where Phil called the floor and calls his opponent a narcssist? I feel like everything he explained about a narcssist was describing himself!
Dnegs was playing in that tournament as well…
@@zizoumonk10 Oh cool
He wasn't angle shooting because he is too dump to do those shit, he just simple folded and when he saw the guy cards he just robbed the guy 20,000. 100%
Phlip doesn't even known all his success in poker is all because his trash talk, curses, his angry face when he loses, F__ smiley face when he wins that make people tilted and gain a lot of advantages. I think one guy is doing better than him is Tony G.
The fact that Phil is still promoting Bitcoin Latinum strips any credibility from him.
Adam is right: he’s folding ALL of the time.
And at the very least it should have been ran out as it was.
I think from here on end, whenever Phil folds, no matter how obvious it is, people he is against in a hand should say, "So, you're folding right?" Every single time.
Great podcast Daniel and all. Helmuth lost a lot of cred that night. Acted like a spoiled child. Talked down to everyone as if they were idiots. He had no concept of where he was. Sad to see. Rough couple of weeks, he should go away or play poker with a muzzle.
We need Daniel and Phil together on the next one. That would somehow be even more entertaining!
Definitely not rocket surgery..
phils body language in that hand looks like he is folding....
The exceptions that are made for Phil's behavior are ridiculous. FAS but still uncalled for. Glad that guy gave him a taste of his own medicine heads up.
Floor I need protection 🤣
Give me a break.
I wouldn't describe all of the streamers as "people that have never played poker" or "people that don't know anything about poker" .
Why is Hellmuth even playing with these guys ... he has no patience for professionals, why would he think he could take it playing against celebrities (or whatever you want to call these guys).
He thought it was free money. PH has one of the biggest egos in poker and probably thought he could walk in with his pro status and walk out with an easy million except he didn't know most of these amateur's are smart and not falling for his obvious playstyle. Also a lot of these content influencers are deep pocketed and care more about the meme of it. Shoving 50k makes any opponent scared
If you're going to push your cards forward to another player to look at (or do anything else that might be interpreted as folding), it's on you to make sure that it's clear to everyone else on at the table that is what you're doing. Phil failed to do that.
Rules before the game need to be made clear. Also cards should never cross the action line in every game whether private, lame, pro tourney etc etc etc
The audio podcast feed of this episode is a total train wreck. You might want to check your work and put it back up after you've corrected it
Daniel Negreanu should have been the pro/senior statesman acting as Poker Ambassador.
In terms of engaging with a new audience/future poker players, Negreanu would have been better as a mentor-type figure since he has experience not only in content creation/streaming, but also in creating educational content for people unfamiliar with the game.
Basically, HCL should have done more to get DNegs on, since how many poker stars have their own channel on TH-cam and regularly create engaging content? We're in a new normal, and it seems only DNegs is ahead of the curve here.
I wish Dan Bilzerian played in that influencer game instead of Dwan, I think it would’ve been much more entertaining
i think one of the things the old school live players forget is that the hand motions with chips (mimic throwing them in then pulling back in a smooth motion) and fake throwing your cards in is kind of an angle shoot. live pros do it all the time and unconsciously now. Phil did these things while moving the cards to Dwan. I doubt he even knows or considers how that looks to an amateur.
Its become so acceptable that its known, but maybe not when you are playing known amateurs for a stream.
Even the announcer thought he folded.
Helmuth will never change his behavior no matter ehat you tell
Ugh another Hellmuth discussion. Why? Waste of time. Next episode pls
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Can we possibly get Garrett to give Hellmuth some a lesson or two on class at the poker table?
no matter how much ph shows his true self, never never NEVER try to compensate by having other players boast about helping charities. just help them, and shut up about it. the poker world is scummy enough without the added bragging.
Most poker amateur are intimidated by Phil… they were not, and they won
You can see Tom Dwans arm come in to ask for Phil’s cards.
It didnt start out as an angle but at some point he realized he could take advantage of the situation. He never tried to look away or anything when he clearly knew what was happening
I swear if I didn't knew Phil Helmuth for more than a decade I'd would never believe that hes one of the best poker players of all time..
Serious question! Why does he need a trailer or a “back room” when you can just rent a hotel room and just use that?
Where is tony g
I think Alex Botez played better poker than most of the other players at the table. She did get a very lucky run of cards as well.
Phil should've called the floor and let them review and provide options.
The way he tried to control and manipulate whether intentionally or not was grossly unfair.
I find it really strange as he passes his cards to Tom he's looking straight at slime
wasn't even poker, more of high stakes bingo. Lets face it poker would be a very boring watch on TV, if players just sit there with their sunglasses and headphones on, never talked. Why is Phil one the most known poker players, because of his act. The poker players that make the ratings are the ones we all know by name.
Phil should be canceled
Daniel / Terrence / Adam - thank -u thank -u thank-u :)
Could not have said it better myself but it means so much more coming from 3 guys who are known & well respected in the poker world.
These super streamers are extreamly intelligent… clearly much smarter than mr.H !! Why invite him to poker stream that was going to have the most viewers ever ?? There’s long list of pros who would have fit in & been CooL to everybody.
Btw - hustler graphics said fold & Tuchman who knows poker as well as anybody said Fold - he pushed his cards forward the same way he folded all night - so what is a new player supposed to think ??
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Btw - I understand that high limit games have “different” rules but poker rooms that I’m used to playing in strictly do not allow showing cards or flashing cards to get reaction from opponents. Why ?TO AVOID ALL THIS NONSENSE
Hard to get on Phil's case about attacking Alexandra on the HCL stream - he is just fitting in: if you read the chat on any of their streams if you are an Asian female they'll generally say you are hot, but all other women get a constant barrage of insults, calling them fat, stupid, don't know what they are doing, they have to prostitute themselves to build their bankroll, etc. It is extremely toxic to any female players over there.
Huh?
Phil and the pros thought they where gonna have easy pickings and got slammed🤣🤣🤣, following your gut feeling and having fun is key to winning in poker
i feel like hellmuth gave back 100k after he realized he cheated someone out of 80k pot.
Phil was a childish rude NIT. He made poker players look like a bunch of crotchety old men. Ms Botez is a chess master. She is no fool. I bet she did some study to at least know how to play the game at a competent level. The rest she understood instinctively. All of the gamers are smart and personable. While the rest of them were having fun, Phil pouted, insulted, and berated them. I don't think he tried to angle anybody on the controversial "show the cards" hand, but his action was confusing. He should have known better. Phil is a good poker player for sure, but creating that scenario as an angle is way too complicated to put together.
It’s disgraceful to see Helmuth win
started watching poker after this stream wish one of the pros had a larger presence on youtube. managed to finc dnegs and watch all the vlogs
Daniel, are there any poker players you dont like, not because of their play, but because of their personalities or character?
I wish @DNEGS would have been the One to represent our Beloved community..
Lol
im curious if Jake and Ali were perm banned from all tours how much $ in EV the high roller field gains over many years of tournaments
they played the 100k in monaco btw you guys didnt mention or seem to know it
When I heard Ludwig was trying to get people for this game I was hoping for him to get you Daniel. Hopefully there will be more to come
Ludwig invited the content creators, Hustler Casino invited the pros.
I love Phil
PS: I have a duck video, a chicken video, a video where i am begging for money on Twitter, a walking video, a video where i am playing with my nuts. A short where i'm advertising my blog ... Also a patreon
They can take polls that say people hate Phil, but look at YT content. Videos with Helmuth get a ton of views. Same with Daniel. John Little just has to mention Daniel and he gets a ton of views. Phil is a guy we love to hate. The fact Phil can threaten to not play any more to get his way, says it all. Just look at that Persson match. Phil basically acts like a Mafia boss 'you shut up or I'll get them to take your money!". Think of how intimidating that is to players!! That the casino does whatever Phil says. Persson sat there and stopped talking while Phil berated him. They did nothing to Phil. But it's great theatrics for the viewing audience.
I’ve been waiting for this podcast to drop since the livestream! I really don’t get how people can defend Phil. He’s clearly not acting when he does shit like this. The angle be shot on Slime was too much for me. I don’t think he meant to cause the problem, but he was definitely folding until he saw he was ahead, but Slime was still live so he made a deal so he didn’t have to see the runout. Just disgusting. He’s clearly a narcissistic, douche-bag. And I’m sure he’s a decent guy to people he knows and likes, but that doesn’t erase his table manners.
phil knew exactly what he was doing. the sharks are out
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I hope to be just as good as Negreanu one day im only 19, maybe one day
I didn't catch much of the live coverage of the WSOP this year. What angle is Daniel talking about Chance shooting at 32:23?
Also I'm slightly saddened they didn't mention the JJ vs 77 chop against Ninja. The absolute golden highlight of the stream for me.
I listened on Spotify and this episode was so confusing. It was like there were 2 or 3 independent convos happening at the same time and I checked 4 or 5 times that it was still playing and my connection was still good during extended moments of dead air. I don't know what went wrong this week but it was a tough listen.
Phil clearly saw the armature reach for his cards and in the motion to flip them over, he made the decision not to look away lol, that kinda proves he was and is willing to take full advantage of situations like this. I don't think it started as an angle but once it began he took full advantage and since he has so many years of experience it makes me wonder if he was free rolling this scenario, I think Daniel is giving Phil a tad too much credit on this one... as poker gets harder pros are getting scummier..
Yes, that's exactly it. Well-said, thank you!
What about getting a floor man to make a decision?
I was just rewatching Daniel vs Polk live heads up, and the announcers brought up a pretty interesting thing about multi tables. While it was a small size, Daniel was doing well 1 on 1. I could be wrong, but I think Doug is more use to playing multi tables which leads to easier and quicker play with less mistakes. I almost want to see you guys do another one, but only 1 table. I just believe that Daniel would be much closer and could possibly win.
That being said, Doug really opened my eyes to how great he is, I wish I could pick his brain. I know he has a website, but I can't help but think its your basic info for average players. If anyones ever tried out his Poker info, please feel free to let me know if its worth it.
Guys that outro music causes ear AIDS. For real
The phil bashing session was hilarious
like we said boomers have no idea who these streamers are but we definitely need people who do
to monitor their streams, OMG can you imagine the talk and opinions they are spreading to literally multi-millions
of non-poker players! they could have created the next poker boom easily but may end up doing ka-boom for millions of potentials.
18:20 is soooo on point
Why was his hand dead? Slime was already all in. Even with the 5k deal the hand should still be played and run out. Slime got robbed.
Is it me or does Terrence sound like Tonka? I had the audio on in the background while I was doing stuff and thought it was Tonka for almost the whole podcast.
So that's Alans game. I was shocked because the guy has tournament vids around the internet and he seemed like a "regular pro". He sure got the image of a deep pocket degen out there, holy shit.
I think if you Daniel would participat in one of those events, if there will be another, and than make a Hand (or better an Event) Take Video with one of the participants would be an amazing advertising for Poker. Maybe even coach that streamer a bit and take him to an tournament and vlog the entire thing.
I hope if there will be another Streamer event they invite Daniel, scotty nguyen, liv Boeree or Victoria Cohen. That would be could content and good promotion for poker.
I don't believe Phil angleshot on purpose, but if I had to name one famous poker player to ever do it on purpose just to get a reaction out of people, it'd be Phil.
Dnegs casually taking a piss at 22:22
DNegs would've been way better than phil in the game, watching Daniel try to read XQC would be priceless
Polk said Hellmuth is probably the luckiest player in history/ran highest above EV of anyone