I'll talk more about Buried Bloodline in the exotic tier list update video, since I missed it here. For now, the only use I see it having is the Weaken on Devour effect, but even that's a bit of a stretch given that it doesn't really provide anything past that that Indebted Kindness doesn't already provide with any decent Void 3.0 build. Edit: I didn't see Glacio now has Overflow, I'll be using this info to update the fusion tier list soon!
I’ve found the most use out of buried bloodline on non-void subclasses. I wouldn’t describe it as an optimal exotic choice, but there’s just a number of small things that make it nice between the health on hit, devour, grenade energy from devour, and weaken from devour as well.
@@pitmaster226ya just like the navigator having more use for its woven mail on other subclasses other than strand. Restoration empyrean plus devour basically makes you a rage machine literally too angry to die. Hmm I really wanna try something now lol.
I think attrition orbs should reload your weapon when you pick up an orb. (Not overflow because they drop much more often than bricks) This would make it a fantastic perk but might also be way too good. At the very least it needs to grant a reload buff or something beyond just the orbs to make it worth.
A lot of weapons seem to find their place for non-optimal situations. The bow can apply slice for extra survivability, the side arm is great if you need a jack of all trades which doesn't rely on crit damage, etc.
Love your content. I play a lot with my grandson and appreciate how helpful your videos are. My grandson has messaged you several times on Discord regarding speed run questions and the like. Thank you for always replying. Would like to see you make an in depth video on weapon frames (ex: precision, adaptive…) and how they impact damage, etc. Again, thank you for your time & efforts.
I’m loving permeability on the new sidearm. Losing a damage perk sucks but being able to use it with any subclass/build you want is very convenient. Also like that you don’t really need to worry about precision damage since it’s just the impact portion that goes up, u can just chest spam majors down no problem. Really cool addition to the game
I did test the new sidearm in a master lost sector at 1815 with AB on (25 under just like GMs). It one shots the barriers. Will be a very fun pick in grandmasters!
I really aprecciate what you've been doing aegis, these last weeks destiny is kinda on a rough spot for me and I've been finding very difficult to play like I used to so following the end game meta changes is even more far away, thx for all your work
My main interest in the special sidearm would be can I use it as a part of a double special setup. So compared to trace rifles this might be more up my alley as a single shot type.
The only issue with the legendary special sidearm is that it can't shoot through antibarrier objects (e.g. Phalanx shields). It just explodes on the shield and does nothing unless you hit the panel (which means it's pointless).
And I would agree. I wasnt trying to say that its necessarily a must have or anything. Just that I found I *could* run it as a double special and it didnt feel too bad.
You are the 1st person I’ve heard say anything about avalanche’s awful ammo reserves. I’ve been commenting about it in many videos this week. Target lock with rewind or ambitious would be great if it held more than 270 rds.
@@SavvyMon4 uhhh, idk if zoom has a direct correlation to ammo reserves but if you know something I don't my ears/eyes are open and ready for the breakdown.
I think it was coded based off a high impact frame instead of an adaptive bc it has similar reserve numbers. For real you can hold more ammo in Fixed Odds, kinda wild. Something went wrong coding it and bungo doesn't care enough to fix a gun that's available 3 weeks a year.
@@michaelmaddy5232 when range was tied to zoom Avalanche had some of the highest range of any lmg and had some pretty good perks overall. Figured it was Bungie’s way of balancing a strong add clear gun that could hit from super far away
@@SavvyMon4 oh ok, I gotya dude. I used my ambitious target lock roll alot in GMs in solar burn/match game GMs a year or so back, really hope they adjust it.
I actually really enjoy the feel of the sidearm. I used it in a solo flawless master lost sector, and it 2shot barriers, and did really good chunk damage against champs, and was a great pressure reliever by quickly killing adds when I was getting swarmed. I forget what roll i have, but it's pretty bad. It just feels good to shoot, and chunks hard without me zooming in with a sniper.
Surprised you weren’t more excited about overflow on glaciochasm. It completes the trifecta of mag perk/reservoir or controlled burst high impacts which is nice for surge matching. I’m sure the garden one would be better if it had a perk update though. Also envious is way better than overflow so eremite is objectively better, that’s true. Thanks for the breakdown!
Envious is not way better than overflow its on par and id argue just worse Overflow has an incredibly simple activation and is just more applicable, envious does get more total but its not as simple and easy and 99% of the time you dont really need that extra mag size
@@TheAegisRelic I’m so excited for it to pair with commemoration or leviathan’s breath, I just don’t use them that much since there aren’t a ton of good void special options. Keep up the great content!!
Vengeful Whisper getting Slice/ Hatchling is gonna be really good for any Strandlocks. Weavers Call already incentives you using your rift as much as possible which will proc Slice and then the threadlings made by hatchling on it will go and spread that sever debuff. Plus if you’re running swarmers they’ll also unravel.
Ive always treated the dungeon weapons as utility weapons and thats what i use them for. Beacon rounds + voltshot on the sidearm works great on my liars hanshake hunter to provide a ranged option thats also highly mobile and can proc amplified. The sword with slice + attrition orbs works amazingly on a BoW stronghold titan thats built purely for defence and nothing else.
I’ve been using dragoncult sickle in solo content because of slice + surrounded, it’s def helpful when you have to sword a target without well that’s able to slam you.
Reconstruction + Deconstruct on the Naeems was interesting. Deconstruct is a 2 part perk where the 2nd park refills a portion (10%?) of your mag on sustained damage. It's like FTTC for people who can't hit crits lol. But it's interesting as it also grants ammo out of thin air. I have an Overflow + Deconstruct roll on the seasonal trace and it's surprisingly not bad when you need to lay on a target just a little longer while giving it some decent ammo economy. Which also makes Rewind Rounds + Deconstruct on the Cold Front (and Parabellum) go pretty crazy in terms of just laying down on the trigger. Also for Glacioclasm it also gained Overflow so Overflow + Controlled or Reservoir is still pretty decent to go for imo.
precision instrument works across multiple targets, just as long as you're dealing damage. archer's tempo precision instrument is a juicy roll for the bow
Something to keep in mind about deconstruct is that it does not ONLY proc on hitting vehicles or constructs. Deconstruct procs for 5 seconds after sustained damage to any target, and refreshes from every shot after. The timer is the damage increase to constructs and vehicles, BUT you can refill the magazine against any target (this refill is from thin air btw). It's not very noticeable on special weapons, only getting about 2 extra shots from the sniper and 1 from the season fusion. But, primary weapons are EXTREMELY noticeable. Testing with the Optative hand cannon it feels like a copy of rewind rounds but you get your bullets from sustained damage instead of at the end of the mag, it feels very good. Unfortunately deconstruct is mostly a 4th column perk, personally I think it would be pretty nice in 3rd column but bungie likely sees it as more of a damage perk than ammo economy.
I have loved Indebted kindness this season with barrier side arm. Permeability with a strand warlock helps keep the unwinding rounds, and strand debuffs going too. I didn't think I would like permeability much but here we are lol, I still haven't gotten a voltsholt version to drop yet which is wild. I have gotten two bloodlines but no voltshot...sad sounds.
They gutted Stay Frosty, it used to roll with Adaptive Munitions which can deal with Barrier Champions easily. I grinded like a mofo Iron Banner just to get a roll of Randy's Throwing Knife which can roll with it and it's Kinetic too.
Sidearm one taps master barriers so i can definetly see this thing being used inside GM’s. Was using one with permeability in lost sectors and it puts out very good damage for champs
The new banner auto rifle has discord + onslaught. Might be a very good bullet hose option, as onslaught big issue is it chews through your mag, but having your entire mag refill on kill might make autos approach or surpass the dps of trace rifles
Attrition orbs sucks to proc outside of SMGs, bows and maybe swords for orb-procs, and even on those weapon types, the perk is so weak I wouldn't even consider running them unless there's a gimmick build I want to try (e.g. refreshing Woven Mail or Devour with a sword). Trace Rifles spend ~67-70 ammo for one orb which is not worth it, but SMGs at least can dump through the required percentage of mag extremely quickly (much faster than auto rifles). Bows can go from target to target in GMNFs pretty easily to get the 5 required hits, but you are probably just going to make more orbs by running a siphon than having the perk.
hipfire grip/offhand strike might be stupid on that dungeon bow in PVP naeem's lance is awful, like idk if I'm missing something but it just seems like a bad sniper in every context I'm wondering about PVP applications for the sidearm but haven't seen anyone try much. do note that the rockets do splash damage, that blast radius stat isn't just for show buff caster frames attrition orbs on an aggressive SMG seems pretty good, because, like target lock, it's better at small mag sizes. cold front lacks armor-piercing rounds but I'm wondering if you can use that to double up on some other gun--target lock worked this way when I tried it on Immortal a few seasons ago, it was possible to get 5x without the usual tricks like 4TTC if you happened to get the PVE to line up casually ignoring overflow on glacio, sadge. could also matter if we ever get a good void heavy to match surges with, but I'm not holding my breath quite yet anyway
I tried bow swapping on Mechaneers with the sidearm, unfortunately it's not consistent against tier 10 resil unless you headshot with the bow. But you can kickstart a Beacon Rounds + Adagio roll off of a bow prime so thats something Also get the Parabellum or Subjunctive with Shoot to Loot + Attrition Orbs, you can make an orb AND pick it up by shooting lol
I have I think a Slice and Offhand strike roll on the bow and my God it makes the cone for bows SUPER tight when hip firing. It made shots super sticky and made me legit feel like Legolas hip-firing enemies that I otherwise need to ADS for.
@@jroland94 I recently went back with a friend to test and my goodness is the rocket sidearm frame bad in PVP. Basically needs two headshots to kill T10, which with how erratic the bullet moves you're never gonna get that. They were real scared of making it good, seems like. Six shots on spawn is not much when you'll likely shoot someone three times for a TTK worse than every primary in the game. And the splash damage is basically chip damage. On the upside, it's incredible as an anti-barrier gun in nightfalls, oneshotting GM barriers with ease. Hopefully by the time sidearms are no longer anti-barrier we'll see some tuning. Ironically, it almost feels like a heavy GL that's been downtuned for special ammo, more so than actual special GLs do, which is kinda wild. Lead From Gold / Deconstruct is the roll I have and it's pretty hard to run it out of ammo provided you're shooting your heavy and your fireteam has Cenotaph or Aeons on.
I really wish the sniper had any other damage perk other than precision instrument or precision instrument gave more incentive/reward for consistent precision damage. If I were to buff precision instrument I would: - make it to where the timer would go up to 3 seconds and give 2 stacks of the buff per precision hit - but 1.5 seconds on body shots. This is so that you're not punished for running precision on weapons with less than 7 in the mag, you won't lose the stacks instantly to reloads or requiring targets, and is less of a full commit perk like it is now that's only viable on weapons with the mag size or mag perk to accommodate it's requirements, and instead has more versatility and use ranges.
One thing about the sidearm that you didn’t mention is the damage is mostly splash damage so it doesn’t rely on crits which helps with consistency. It also helps A LOT with enemies or objects that you can’t crit or enemies that have small crit spots (which I guess can be negated by Div). So in instances where there’s a normal or forgiving crit then it’ll just be average but for instances with enemies where the crit spot can be a tedious to hit (like Wyverns or Vex in general) it’ll shine really well. Just a minor use case.
Hitting the crit is only a small increase in damage, so it's not really a major factor in using it. Sure you get like ~10% more damage, but most of the time it should be treated like an alternative to a fusion rifle or GL for a Bait and Switch setup, and a fun add clear outside of DPS.
@@TheAegisRelic i appreciate the reply considering finals and the youtube grind! the guy above summed it up. it’s a fusion/GL alternative bc of the lack of reliance on crits
Glacioclasm has the benefit of being void, so it synergizes with gyrfalkon, but yeah it's a copy paste of the other high impacts. Which isn't a bad thing imo, since they're all good
10:10 Enlightened action + frenzy is kinda a silly roll imo. Frenzy already maxed reload and handling you don’t need enlightened action. I’m going for rewind rounds + frenzy or unrelenting + frenzy (a more for fun roll) because I can skip the reload perks third column
I think there's some argument, though it's hard to say that it's better than other rolls, depends on the person. But the argument of EA + Frenzy that I can also attest to is that not all engagements last long enough for Frenzy to be up all the time. Outside of boss phases? Either in PvP or in between small packs of mobs you may not see Frenzy be up or it might come up too late to have made use of it. In those times EA is a nice way to gain those benefits. It makes a weapon with poor stats feel great all of the time. That said I'm personally going for Rewind Rounds (and deconstruct to go brrrt) but I'll definitely be using an EA + Frenzy roll to see how it goes. I had that same roll on a Wardens Law that I ended up using for like 10k PvE kills as the combo made it feel consistently nice.
I can't believe people think the dungeon loot is bad. The armour is simple and thematic, and looks good doing that. The weapons are all first of their archetype at the very least, but we have a powerful sidearm, a fantastic bow and a really fun sword. The sniper is the worst of the 4 but Reconstruction/Slice isn't nothing.
Personally I think the most interesting roll of the bunch is Rewind/Target Lock on Avalanche. I'd be curious to know how it stacks against FTTC, and it'll be decent this season since it's Solar thanks to a couple of the artifact bonus. Real shame it isn't craftable tho
Wouldn't enlightened action frenzy on cold front be kind of redundant. Frenzy already gives handling and reload so the buffs from EA wouldn't do anything or am i missing something
I would hope that the rocket side arm would get buffed to be more competitive with forerunner before surrounded. Attrition orbs would be interesting for sword boss DPS that can be deadly with a boot mod for HP or devour, but probably not on a caster frame.
It's not competitive *damage-wise.* But, the utility for it is pretty good. It inherits any seasonal anti-champ mods for primary sidearms, its damage is mostly weighted towards the splash damage so precision hits and range falloff are almost negligible in the right circumstances, and the amount of ammo it gets per brick is pretty generous. It's definitely in the trace rifle category of very ammo efficient high power(compared to primaries) special that also has a non-insignificant AoE.
10:10 why enlighten actions, frenzy? Both give same while frenzy being better , does it mean ea with other perk and frenzy with other perks or both together if together doesn't ea becomes useless?
Indebted kindness is currently the only legendary special energy weapon with osmosis/permeability. It does fit surprisingly perfectly with wicked implement in a stasis build, covering the one champ that wicked doesn't, and providing decent close-mid range ad clear and good for breaking stasis crystals
I feel you're heavely undervaluing Glacioclasm for pve. Or as you said, until garden's loot is refreshed (which is sadly not yer confirmed). For the sake of having options on each element, it's currently the only void special weapon worth using outside shotguns. Overflow and controlled burst/reservoir burst is pretty pretty good for people running tractor, for the sake of stacking surges/scavs/mods in general. Zealot's Reward can't come back quick enough tho Also regretably avalanche still has 90~ less shots in reserves compared to literally any other machine gun in its archetype. Abominable.
Other than shooting oryx or a div bubble I don't see rapid fire snipers having more damage due to inevitable missing due to horrible flinch .compared to side arms decent body shot damage .
Did you say "one for all, meh"? Even on an SMG it's an amazing perk. Stupid easy to proc and a massive 35 percent buff. That's on top of the 15 percent more damage that kinetics do vs energy weapons and you've got a BEAST. after using it with one for all, all my energy smgs feel HORRIBLE now. Never. Ever. Ever sleep on one for all unless it's like a rocket or a linear.
I think OFA is pretty mediocre on primaries because you have to intentionally play around it to commit to primary damage, which is low no matter how you slice it
@@TheAegisRelic there's always at least 3 ads incredibly close in destiny. All you need to do is tag them. Plus it lasts 10 seconds. And yes primary damage is low, but OfA will make your primary feel like a primary exotic does against red bars (by only 5 percent less) but against all enemies. I'm not saying you should use OfA on a primary to kill yellow bars. But in higher activities, it's nice to kill red bars with a primary without falling asleep.
Bungie really needs to revert the 15% less damage on strand and stasis weapons at least on snipers and shotguns, I will never use headstone on a sniper to build into stasis so 15% less damage on a sniper instantly makes me not even care what the perks are
I like how you say that you have no clue about attrition orbs on a sword even though it literally says on the screen "hit requirements by sword: 10" xD Too focused on talking :D
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I'll talk more about Buried Bloodline in the exotic tier list update video, since I missed it here. For now, the only use I see it having is the Weaken on Devour effect, but even that's a bit of a stretch given that it doesn't really provide anything past that that Indebted Kindness doesn't already provide with any decent Void 3.0 build.
Edit: I didn't see Glacio now has Overflow, I'll be using this info to update the fusion tier list soon!
I’ve found the most use out of buried bloodline on non-void subclasses. I wouldn’t describe it as an optimal exotic choice, but there’s just a number of small things that make it nice between the health on hit, devour, grenade energy from devour, and weaken from devour as well.
aegis posting errata to the video four days before it comes out 👀
@@pitmaster226ya just like the navigator having more use for its woven mail on other subclasses other than strand.
Restoration empyrean plus devour basically makes you a rage machine literally too angry to die.
Hmm I really wanna try something now lol.
I think attrition orbs should reload your weapon when you pick up an orb. (Not overflow because they drop much more often than bricks)
This would make it a fantastic perk but might also be way too good. At the very least it needs to grant a reload buff or something beyond just the orbs to make it worth.
@@coinisinorbitI was thinking the same thing! There are a few guns that get both. It’s an interesting perk combo to try.
A lot of weapons seem to find their place for non-optimal situations. The bow can apply slice for extra survivability, the side arm is great if you need a jack of all trades which doesn't rely on crit damage, etc.
Love your content. I play a lot with my grandson and appreciate how helpful your videos are. My grandson has messaged you several times on Discord regarding speed run questions and the like. Thank you for always replying. Would like to see you make an in depth video on weapon frames (ex: precision, adaptive…) and how they impact damage, etc. Again, thank you for your time & efforts.
I’m loving permeability on the new sidearm. Losing a damage perk sucks but being able to use it with any subclass/build you want is very convenient. Also like that you don’t really need to worry about precision damage since it’s just the impact portion that goes up, u can just chest spam majors down no problem. Really cool addition to the game
I did test the new sidearm in a master lost sector at 1815 with AB on (25 under just like GMs). It one shots the barriers. Will be a very fun pick in grandmasters!
I really aprecciate what you've been doing aegis, these last weeks destiny is kinda on a rough spot for me and I've been finding very difficult to play like I used to so following the end game meta changes is even more far away, thx for all your work
Someone hasnt played coil
My main interest in the special sidearm would be can I use it as a part of a double special setup. So compared to trace rifles this might be more up my alley as a single shot type.
I have a couple rolls with Lead from Gold and it's been surprisingly good paired with the new trace (or literally anything imo).
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 using two specials for ad clear kinda defeats the whole purpose of it tho
The only issue with the legendary special sidearm is that it can't shoot through antibarrier objects (e.g. Phalanx shields). It just explodes on the shield and does nothing unless you hit the panel (which means it's pointless).
And I would agree. I wasnt trying to say that its necessarily a must have or anything. Just that I found I *could* run it as a double special and it didnt feel too bad.
You are the 1st person I’ve heard say anything about avalanche’s awful ammo reserves. I’ve been commenting about it in many videos this week. Target lock with rewind or ambitious would be great if it held more than 270 rds.
It’s cause of that stupid high zoom value I stg
@@SavvyMon4 uhhh, idk if zoom has a direct correlation to ammo reserves but if you know something I don't my ears/eyes are open and ready for the breakdown.
I think it was coded based off a high impact frame instead of an adaptive bc it has similar reserve numbers. For real you can hold more ammo in Fixed Odds, kinda wild. Something went wrong coding it and bungo doesn't care enough to fix a gun that's available 3 weeks a year.
@@michaelmaddy5232 when range was tied to zoom Avalanche had some of the highest range of any lmg and had some pretty good perks overall. Figured it was Bungie’s way of balancing a strong add clear gun that could hit from super far away
@@SavvyMon4 oh ok, I gotya dude. I used my ambitious target lock roll alot in GMs in solar burn/match game GMs a year or so back, really hope they adjust it.
I actually really enjoy the feel of the sidearm. I used it in a solo flawless master lost sector, and it 2shot barriers, and did really good chunk damage against champs, and was a great pressure reliever by quickly killing adds when I was getting swarmed. I forget what roll i have, but it's pretty bad. It just feels good to shoot, and chunks hard without me zooming in with a sniper.
Surprised you weren’t more excited about overflow on glaciochasm. It completes the trifecta of mag perk/reservoir or controlled burst high impacts which is nice for surge matching. I’m sure the garden one would be better if it had a perk update though. Also envious is way better than overflow so eremite is objectively better, that’s true. Thanks for the breakdown!
Envious is not way better than overflow its on par and id argue just worse
Overflow has an incredibly simple activation and is just more applicable, envious does get more total but its not as simple and easy and 99% of the time you dont really need that extra mag size
I actually didn't see Overflow on Glacio I think - that definitely puts it up there with Loaded Question and the like :)
@@TheAegisRelic I’m so excited for it to pair with commemoration or leviathan’s breath, I just don’t use them that much since there aren’t a ton of good void special options. Keep up the great content!!
Yooo perfect I was just about to start my edging session,great content as always!
HUH
Vengeful Whisper getting Slice/ Hatchling is gonna be really good for any Strandlocks. Weavers Call already incentives you using your rift as much as possible which will proc Slice and then the threadlings made by hatchling on it will go and spread that sever debuff. Plus if you’re running swarmers they’ll also unravel.
Ive always treated the dungeon weapons as utility weapons and thats what i use them for.
Beacon rounds + voltshot on the sidearm works great on my liars hanshake hunter to provide a ranged option thats also highly mobile and can proc amplified.
The sword with slice + attrition orbs works amazingly on a BoW stronghold titan thats built purely for defence and nothing else.
4:08 appreciate the apology XD
I’ve been using dragoncult sickle in solo content because of slice + surrounded, it’s def helpful when you have to sword a target without well that’s able to slam you.
gl bro hope u have a goo winter break and hope finals go good.
Thanks!
indebted kindness ive really loved using as a psuedo primary. even with double special i never really had ammo problems.
Did you miss the fact that glacio gets overflow in the first column? It's definitely as good as loaded question.
Slideshot is jus better imo
Overflow is nice for sure, I might have missed that
7:55 i think Cross tested the ritual sword caster frame and it made an orb with 10 lights or 1 heavy. the sickle is probably the same
1 heavy's not bad
Reconstruction + Deconstruct on the Naeems was interesting. Deconstruct is a 2 part perk where the 2nd park refills a portion (10%?) of your mag on sustained damage. It's like FTTC for people who can't hit crits lol. But it's interesting as it also grants ammo out of thin air. I have an Overflow + Deconstruct roll on the seasonal trace and it's surprisingly not bad when you need to lay on a target just a little longer while giving it some decent ammo economy.
Which also makes Rewind Rounds + Deconstruct on the Cold Front (and Parabellum) go pretty crazy in terms of just laying down on the trigger.
Also for Glacioclasm it also gained Overflow so Overflow + Controlled or Reservoir is still pretty decent to go for imo.
precision instrument works across multiple targets, just as long as you're dealing damage. archer's tempo precision instrument is a juicy roll for the bow
Something to keep in mind about deconstruct is that it does not ONLY proc on hitting vehicles or constructs. Deconstruct procs for 5 seconds after sustained damage to any target, and refreshes from every shot after. The timer is the damage increase to constructs and vehicles, BUT you can refill the magazine against any target (this refill is from thin air btw). It's not very noticeable on special weapons, only getting about 2 extra shots from the sniper and 1 from the season fusion. But, primary weapons are EXTREMELY noticeable. Testing with the Optative hand cannon it feels like a copy of rewind rounds but you get your bullets from sustained damage instead of at the end of the mag, it feels very good. Unfortunately deconstruct is mostly a 4th column perk, personally I think it would be pretty nice in 3rd column but bungie likely sees it as more of a damage perk than ammo economy.
I have loved Indebted kindness this season with barrier side arm. Permeability with a strand warlock helps keep the unwinding rounds, and strand debuffs going too. I didn't think I would like permeability much but here we are lol, I still haven't gotten a voltsholt version to drop yet which is wild. I have gotten two bloodlines but no voltshot...sad sounds.
I nobody got me I know Aegis got me.😊
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Explosive head+precision instrument will build stacks even if you don't land heads
Hey that was my first Albedo drop. Grave robber + close to melee.
Wish you all the best with finals btw!
Thanks!
They gutted Stay Frosty, it used to roll with Adaptive Munitions which can deal with Barrier Champions easily. I grinded like a mofo Iron Banner just to get a roll of Randy's Throwing Knife which can roll with it and it's Kinetic too.
So happy with how good the sidearm is for double special roaming, fantastic for solo stuff
Thanks for the numbers.
attrition orbs is very good on indebted kindness, if you hit multiple enemies per shot youd get an orb in very few shots (from 6-7 to as low as 3)
Sidearm one taps master barriers so i can definetly see this thing being used inside GM’s. Was using one with permeability in lost sectors and it puts out very good damage for champs
The new banner auto rifle has discord + onslaught.
Might be a very good bullet hose option, as onslaught big issue is it chews through your mag, but having your entire mag refill on kill might make autos approach or surpass the dps of trace rifles
Attrition orbs sucks to proc outside of SMGs, bows and maybe swords for orb-procs, and even on those weapon types, the perk is so weak I wouldn't even consider running them unless there's a gimmick build I want to try (e.g. refreshing Woven Mail or Devour with a sword).
Trace Rifles spend ~67-70 ammo for one orb which is not worth it, but SMGs at least can dump through the required percentage of mag extremely quickly (much faster than auto rifles). Bows can go from target to target in GMNFs pretty easily to get the 5 required hits, but you are probably just going to make more orbs by running a siphon than having the perk.
Yeah sucks
hipfire grip/offhand strike might be stupid on that dungeon bow in PVP
naeem's lance is awful, like idk if I'm missing something but it just seems like a bad sniper in every context
I'm wondering about PVP applications for the sidearm but haven't seen anyone try much. do note that the rockets do splash damage, that blast radius stat isn't just for show
buff caster frames
attrition orbs on an aggressive SMG seems pretty good, because, like target lock, it's better at small mag sizes. cold front lacks armor-piercing rounds but I'm wondering if you can use that to double up on some other gun--target lock worked this way when I tried it on Immortal a few seasons ago, it was possible to get 5x without the usual tricks like 4TTC if you happened to get the PVE to line up
casually ignoring overflow on glacio, sadge. could also matter if we ever get a good void heavy to match surges with, but I'm not holding my breath quite yet
anyway
the viability of surgematching void starts and ends with "rely on a good dps special to use off tractor"
I tried bow swapping on Mechaneers with the sidearm, unfortunately it's not consistent against tier 10 resil unless you headshot with the bow. But you can kickstart a Beacon Rounds + Adagio roll off of a bow prime so thats something
Also get the Parabellum or Subjunctive with Shoot to Loot + Attrition Orbs, you can make an orb AND pick it up by shooting lol
I have I think a Slice and Offhand strike roll on the bow and my God it makes the cone for bows SUPER tight when hip firing. It made shots super sticky and made me legit feel like Legolas hip-firing enemies that I otherwise need to ADS for.
@@viviolet7 yeah I saw tractor cannon in my vault like five minutes after posting this and was like "welp I'm getting roasted"
@@jroland94 I recently went back with a friend to test and my goodness is the rocket sidearm frame bad in PVP. Basically needs two headshots to kill T10, which with how erratic the bullet moves you're never gonna get that. They were real scared of making it good, seems like. Six shots on spawn is not much when you'll likely shoot someone three times for a TTK worse than every primary in the game. And the splash damage is basically chip damage.
On the upside, it's incredible as an anti-barrier gun in nightfalls, oneshotting GM barriers with ease. Hopefully by the time sidearms are no longer anti-barrier we'll see some tuning. Ironically, it almost feels like a heavy GL that's been downtuned for special ammo, more so than actual special GLs do, which is kinda wild. Lead From Gold / Deconstruct is the roll I have and it's pretty hard to run it out of ammo provided you're shooting your heavy and your fireteam has Cenotaph or Aeons on.
4:11 thanks for apologizing my eyes just got murdered 😂
Love your videos, very informative
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Indebted kindness with permeability makes a very fun strand special weapon to pair with quicksilver 👍🏼
I’ve been doing master nightfalls since I got the rocket pistol and have used it on 75% of my runs and it’s goated
I really wish the sniper had any other damage perk other than precision instrument or precision instrument gave more incentive/reward for consistent precision damage. If I were to buff precision instrument I would:
- make it to where the timer would go up to 3 seconds and give 2 stacks of the buff per precision hit
- but 1.5 seconds on body shots.
This is so that you're not punished for running precision on weapons with less than 7 in the mag, you won't lose the stacks instantly to reloads or requiring targets, and is less of a full commit perk like it is now that's only viable on weapons with the mag size or mag perk to accommodate it's requirements, and instead has more versatility and use ranges.
One thing about the sidearm that you didn’t mention is the damage is mostly splash damage so it doesn’t rely on crits which helps with consistency. It also helps A LOT with enemies or objects that you can’t crit or enemies that have small crit spots (which I guess can be negated by Div). So in instances where there’s a normal or forgiving crit then it’ll just be average but for instances with enemies where the crit spot can be a tedious to hit (like Wyverns or Vex in general) it’ll shine really well. Just a minor use case.
Hitting the crit is only a small increase in damage, so it's not really a major factor in using it. Sure you get like ~10% more damage, but most of the time it should be treated like an alternative to a fusion rifle or GL for a Bait and Switch setup, and a fun add clear outside of DPS.
It makes it a pretty good single shot add clear weapon which is cool
@@Technizor yeah exactly. that’s the point i was trying to make so you summed it up much easier than i did. it’s just a fusion/GL alternative
@@TheAegisRelic i appreciate the reply considering finals and the youtube grind! the guy above summed it up. it’s a fusion/GL alternative bc of the lack of reliance on crits
Been waiting for my opinion to arrive
Zephyr on pre-rework stronghold and stasis went hard af
it pretty much had a damage bonus guarantee for a suitable boss like Gahlran, pretty nice tbh
Surrounded + Font of Might + Lucent Blade = 2.27x damage
@@jroland94font of might has been gone for nearly 4 seasons
@MichaOstrowski Was gonna ask how youre gonna use a sword on gahlran but then i remembered hes in duality
I am lying sick, with mega headache in bed, Me: "AHHHHRH" Aegis: ""Sorry for flashbanging you" me: "rofl, all good"
Glacioclasm has the benefit of being void, so it synergizes with gyrfalkon, but yeah it's a copy paste of the other high impacts. Which isn't a bad thing imo, since they're all good
10:10 Enlightened action + frenzy is kinda a silly roll imo. Frenzy already maxed reload and handling you don’t need enlightened action. I’m going for rewind rounds + frenzy or unrelenting + frenzy (a more for fun roll) because I can skip the reload perks third column
I think there's some argument, though it's hard to say that it's better than other rolls, depends on the person.
But the argument of EA + Frenzy that I can also attest to is that not all engagements last long enough for Frenzy to be up all the time. Outside of boss phases? Either in PvP or in between small packs of mobs you may not see Frenzy be up or it might come up too late to have made use of it. In those times EA is a nice way to gain those benefits. It makes a weapon with poor stats feel great all of the time.
That said I'm personally going for Rewind Rounds (and deconstruct to go brrrt) but I'll definitely be using an EA + Frenzy roll to see how it goes. I had that same roll on a Wardens Law that I ended up using for like 10k PvE kills as the combo made it feel consistently nice.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 Yeah EA definitely a great perk if you can't get frenzy up
I can't believe people think the dungeon loot is bad. The armour is simple and thematic, and looks good doing that. The weapons are all first of their archetype at the very least, but we have a powerful sidearm, a fantastic bow and a really fun sword. The sniper is the worst of the 4 but Reconstruction/Slice isn't nothing.
Pretty sure i saw Cross do some testing for Attrition Orbs on swords and it seemed horribly inefficient
Personally I think the most interesting roll of the bunch is Rewind/Target Lock on Avalanche. I'd be curious to know how it stacks against FTTC, and it'll be decent this season since it's Solar thanks to a couple of the artifact bonus. Real shame it isn't craftable tho
Wouldn't enlightened action frenzy on cold front be kind of redundant. Frenzy already gives handling and reload so the buffs from EA wouldn't do anything or am i missing something
EA covers for when you don't have Frenzy initially I suppose
Thank you I now have an opinion on these weapons
I have beacon rounds and volt shot on my side arm. It’s my new favorite weapon for end game
Glacio seems not bad, it got Overflow in 3rd column to pair with Reservoir/Controlled burst. I didn't see you noticed that.
Yeah I think I missed Overflow, it's not bad
I would hope that the rocket side arm would get buffed to be more competitive with forerunner before surrounded.
Attrition orbs would be interesting for sword boss DPS that can be deadly with a boot mod for HP or devour, but probably not on a caster frame.
It's not competitive *damage-wise.* But, the utility for it is pretty good. It inherits any seasonal anti-champ mods for primary sidearms, its damage is mostly weighted towards the splash damage so precision hits and range falloff are almost negligible in the right circumstances, and the amount of ammo it gets per brick is pretty generous. It's definitely in the trace rifle category of very ammo efficient high power(compared to primaries) special that also has a non-insignificant AoE.
Just curious what in your opinion makes unwavering duty so much better? I dont see to big of a difference
Avalanche has weirdly low inventory stat meaning it carries a lot less ammo overall but yeah the perks are pretty much the same
reserves and possibly stats
killing tally, better stats, subsistance, better inventory size etc
both have subsistence but yeah@@ianmills6260
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10:10 why enlighten actions, frenzy? Both give same while frenzy being better , does it mean ea with other perk and frenzy with other perks or both together if together doesn't ea becomes useless?
EA is for Frenzy downtime
Indebted kindness is currently the only legendary special energy weapon with osmosis/permeability. It does fit surprisingly perfectly with wicked implement in a stasis build, covering the one champ that wicked doesn't, and providing decent close-mid range ad clear and good for breaking stasis crystals
I feel you're heavely undervaluing Glacioclasm for pve. Or as you said, until garden's loot is refreshed (which is sadly not yer confirmed). For the sake of having options on each element, it's currently the only void special weapon worth using outside shotguns. Overflow and controlled burst/reservoir burst is pretty pretty good for people running tractor, for the sake of stacking surges/scavs/mods in general.
Zealot's Reward can't come back quick enough tho
Also regretably avalanche still has 90~ less shots in reserves compared to literally any other machine gun in its archetype. Abominable.
I used to use it a lot in GoS 3rd encounter, it's definitely not bad
if there's ever a raid/dungeon boss that is a cabal tank/fallen walker tank, the sniper should be good
Can you explain what you mean about weapons that get a higher tier of grenade chunking with demo? I did not know that was a thing
Some weapons (shotguns, snipers, fusions, glaives) get 2x the energy from Demo compared to others
Other than shooting oryx or a div bubble I don't see rapid fire snipers having more damage due to inevitable missing due to horrible flinch .compared to side arms decent body shot damage .
Special sidearms are literally 95% body shot damage. Landing crits do not matter in PvE
@mutantraze3681 in roam they would be much better than snipers just for hitting the dawn thing.
goodluck on finals!
Thanks!
Did you say "one for all, meh"?
Even on an SMG it's an amazing perk. Stupid easy to proc and a massive 35 percent buff. That's on top of the 15 percent more damage that kinetics do vs energy weapons and you've got a BEAST.
after using it with one for all, all my energy smgs feel HORRIBLE now.
Never. Ever. Ever sleep on one for all unless it's like a rocket or a linear.
I think OFA is pretty mediocre on primaries because you have to intentionally play around it to commit to primary damage, which is low no matter how you slice it
@@TheAegisRelic there's always at least 3 ads incredibly close in destiny. All you need to do is tag them. Plus it lasts 10 seconds. And yes primary damage is low, but OfA will make your primary feel like a primary exotic does against red bars (by only 5 percent less) but against all enemies.
I'm not saying you should use OfA on a primary to kill yellow bars. But in higher activities, it's nice to kill red bars with a primary without falling asleep.
Yeah if you're really invested in committing to your primary it's a good perk for sure
Bungie really needs to revert the 15% less damage on strand and stasis weapons at least on snipers and shotguns, I will never use headstone on a sniper to build into stasis so 15% less damage on a sniper instantly makes me not even care what the perks are
Yo aegis you should rate the smgs. They are the only mainly used primary and I want to know your thoughts.
Primary video before the end of the year!
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@@TheAegisRelic all g
What does he say at 11:00 about the reprised what fusion?
Damn man is QUICK with it, dawning just started!
What are you in school for brother? If I'm shooting from the hip, I'm gonna say Engineering of some sort 😂👍🏿
Poli sci / comp sci
My opinion has arrived.
overflow control burst glacioclasm for the tractor user ?
Usable sure
Im edging to this now Aegis…
These comments are wild
Straight gooning to this content
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What’s your major Aegis
Poli sci / comp sci
Why unwavering duty over avalanche? Killing tally?
It has more ammo reserves.
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omg aegis whats your major
Poli sci / comp sci
I like how you say that you have no clue about attrition orbs on a sword even though it literally says on the screen "hit requirements by sword: 10" xD Too focused on talking :D
I heard something about heavy attacks requiring less hits so I didn't want to say anything too precise yet haha
@@TheAegisRelic Smart!
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bungie doesn't seem to want us to play the game these days
Yeah, older models are mostly better
british aegis at 7:02⁉️ so the accent really is fake!!