@@recherche4528 sorry but IF YOU'RE USING A COMPANY EMAIL AND COMPUTER COMPUTER, HOW DO YOU SAVE IT ON A USB OR KEEP IT AS A DOCUMENT TO CALL UPON ANYTIME?
@NewSonRising2024ethical behavior will not be tolerated. Only scumbags who knows the fine arts of screwing over everyone will be welcome here at human resources as it is our jobs to do so.
People that want to fire you will be right behind you, waiting and longing for a reason , I worked at McDonald's as a department manager for 3 yrs g.m didn't like me , made fake surveys, to make complaints on me, she even wrote me up twice in 1 day and I never knew y, she was African American but I highly feel she just didn't like me because I was a Mexican American, I had a hard working employee she told me she didn't like for no reason cut her days from 5 to 2 days, the moment I contacted h.r next day was terminated
@NewSonRising2024Yeah cuz they aren't doing their job. Their job is to protect the company - meaning the owners - from liability. Not to protect management and certianly not to appease workers
Except they aren’t advertised that way. They pretend like they’re your friend. You pretending like that isn’t the case is retarded. They know exactly what they are doing and that it is 100% unethical
Make sure you ALSO send it to your personal email, so they can’t ‘accidentally’ or ‘per protocol after 30 days’ delete it from their and your email inboxes.
My favourite add on to the bottom of the recap e- mail is “ there is no need to reply if you agree to the content of this email”. This ensures they will have to reply to you, therefore initiating a email/ paper trail.
This might be a dumb question, but why would you need them to reply in order to "initiate" a paper trail? Wouldn't your own sending the first email do that already?
In the email, add some conversational highlights as discussed in the meeting. BEFORE you press SEND on your company sent email, see if you have the option to REQUEST A RETURN RECEIPT (look in email settings). This receipt ensures a date / time stamp that the recipient opened the email … and especially even if s/he doesn’t reply back to you … at least you now know that the email was opened! Print a copy of the email and ‘return receipt’.
@@gloriousblobber9647 touchtyping and shorthand are awesome for situations like this, when they won't let you record you can sit back and type exactly wha they're while looking them straight in the eye. Shorthands good for notes where you can speed write simple words, names, depts, etc and just use fullhand for odd or complicated words. Also means they can't read what you wrote so you can write down their tone, and facial expressions to remind later.
Ppl have to learn early no matter where you work there is no brotherhood and those aren’t your friends. I learned this quickly, the hard way, in the military. I had to fight so much for myself and my rights that when my husband and I had to hire a custody lawyer, I did a lot of work for her and was her unofficial paralegal on the case. Writing is the most underestimated skill in our society.
Had a stroke due to a supervisor threatening and harassing me. I told their bosses. Was told I should take it easy on him since he was getting a divorce. When I filed with eeoc when they fired me on leave. They had no paperwork and said I lied. Make that paper trail please
You had a STROKE Because a Supervisor Harassed and Threatened you? I Didn't know that was even possible, I can't believe large portions of the Workforce aren't Stroking Out Everyday if thats the Case..
@@knowyourrights9793 Stress can cause the heart to work harder, increase blood pressure, and increase sugar and fat levels in the blood. These things, in turn, can increase the risk of clots forming and travelling to the heart or brain, causing a heart attack or stroke.... So yes scientifically proven😅, foods high in antioxidants will help
There is some truth to your stament because they do protect the company and prevent lawsuites. A good hr does try to protect the employees too because doing that actually also helps the company by preventing future lawsuites. What this dude talks about is somewhat true too. Strictly if its a bad company
@josflorida5346 they protect the company, this often times means aligning with the interests of the victim. However, sometimes your interests do not align, and that is always why you must take necessary measures to protect yourself. Think of it this way: HR is NOT your ally, however, it is also NOT your enemy. It is an independent neutral thing who's actions rely entirely on the interests of them. They can align with you, or not. But by not being an ally you MUST take actions in case they do not align and target you.
Also make sure you at least Cc your personal email on all this, too! Your work email will be inaccessible & likely purged the moment you’re fired. Maybe before if they think you’ll try to print copies or forward info to an email they don’t control.
@HVAC Quality Assurance I'd suggest leaving the audio recorder running on cellphone during working hours in case boss/manager does something stupid like try to lean on you to drop it or something else you can use against them.
@@john-ic5pz depending on the state you live in, that can be illegal. Some states need consent of all parties involved being recorded, others states only 1 person (the person recording) needs to give consent.. I would record anyway, just be aware of your local laws! And good luck!
@@jacobviator3118 good point, so if the HR rep refuses to allow it to be recorded perhaps it'd be a good idea to insist on having the discussion by some other recordable method (like email, or perhaps some type of IM service). I hoenstly don't know for sure, but it seems logical to me. what are they gonna say 'no, we can't have any record'?
Used to work for a big pharmaceutical company. This girl in my lab used to have it out for me, reporting to our supervisor that I didn’t do much work, didn’t follow lab protocols, etc., when in reality I ran circles around almost everyone in there, was liked by everyone because I’ve got a good sense of humor and value morale in the workplace, which she hated, being former military. With the supervisor believing everything she said and nothing I said, I began to log in a notebook every time she was around me, where I was, what I was doing, and who was with me as a witness. It finally reached the point of harassment so I reported her, my supervisor went with her to HR to back up what she said, and when they tried to push for firing me, I handed over my log book of every incident. Those 2 never saw it coming, cause they bought into the lies that I never did anything and was a shitty worker. That broad was gone, my supervisor demoted and sent to another lab, and 3 years later I surpassed my supervisor who soon later quit. When being harassed or targeted, DOCUMENT EVERYTHING! I got out of the big pharma world and because of my experience there I now have an amazing job that takes me all over the world, currently in Australia. Thanks Ann you sad, sad bit** 😊
That is awesome!! I’m glad you were able to log everything and prove your case and that those terrible employees were sent away. Workplace morale is SO IMPORTANT!! My husband had a similar issue at his work about a year ago. Nobody was saying that he wasn’t doing anything but his new supervisors were saying that he was just “doing whatever he wanted” in reality my husband was correctly doing his job in addition to extra things that he’s allowed to do as he is technically a “warehouse worker” but he knows everything about all the positions and then some. In addition to the position he has he is also a trainer, back up problem solver and a back up consolidator. The problem was his to new supervisors were brand fucking new. Like never worked in a warehouse before didn’t know their asses from their elbows. My husband will also call people out when they are telling people the wrong way to do something or if he sees someone doing something the hard kr wrong way he will show or tell them the correct ways to do this. He literally does it to be helpful but because they were his “boss” they took his approach all wrong. The bigger issue is that the new bosses supervisor that would normally be talked to by my husband is new to my husbands department. She’s worked at the warehouse for many years but she had managed and had a lot of knowledge about every other department besides the one that my husband works in. My husband doesn’t like to complain. If a situation is tough he will just grin and bare it which I can understand to a point but he was miserable all the time. I mean my husband doesn’t love his job or anything like that but he doesn’t hate it either. He gets paid good money and he’s really knowledgeable and he has made alot of really great friends. My husband takes a lot of pride in the work that he does and he has a lot of drive and strives to be the best of the best and his clueless supervisors were ripping him down left, right and center. I talked to him a lot and explained that he NEEDED to talk to the head supervisor and to HR I knew he didn’t want to but I explained all the reasons why he should for himself and then I said but if you aren’t going to do it for yourself you should do it for me and our young daughter. He was so beaten down mentally that when he was home he was cranky or sleepy provided he was awake. I told him I would rather he just put right quit if it was going to keep being so shitty we would be broke AF but atleast we would have our sanity. Like I said he makes good money. I work too but I work part time and I make almost $9 dollars less a hour than he does. I told him I would work more but he said no we would still be too broke and the next day he worked he went and talked to all of them and thankfully things have been a lot better. Sorry for all the ramblings I guess I needed to share my family’s story haha. Glad you have a even better job that allows you to see the world . Keep on enjoying your job and your life!
That’s awesome the only thing I’d like to add is that being the military type doesn’t entitle you to be a stuffy a hole. Chances are she was like that long before she entered the military lol Would like to go back to Oz myself!
That's the reason I didn't study HR in college. It was pretty obvious to me they are trained to be the devil. Also Business and administration is a degree invented in the US. ( I did 3 years in the 90s. ) The whole point of it. Is training people to exploit other people. Like in slavery times. And if someone tells you is not . " Is the art of administrate " . They just bought it. That's it. There is no class on that curse that explains human rights. Air how to earn money so your employees have well paid jobs. It's it more about " cost' when you can not reduce your costs anymore because wood have a price. The way to reduce cost is human cost. Lower the wages. Cut any benefits you can from the employees. Put 1 guy to do the work of 3. And you can do the timesheet! OMG. Chose the biggest stronger worker and time him. ( Smith & Smith ) and place the standard there. And if your workers die in the line. Is not your problem you can hire another one. ( They are all replaceable) free market darling ! . And that's the mentality. I know I study it at university. Following Harvard guide lines. Disgusting. Selling MBA all around the world. Anyways you reduce the cost. And directly you rise the profits. Is that straight. And pay attention with greed. Any mayor company. Every time they change CEO the new guy. ( Who studied BA in the last 30 years ) all of them even if the company is working smoothly and have good profits. All of them to proof themselves or because they beating trained this way. Will try to get more profits under his regime than the previous. And how do you do that ? Without raising the prices. You lower the cost. And the cost of any company is - raw material and workers. And the power bill. Let's say.
As a manager in a large government agency I used this all the time when dealing with HR and Admin. Many times I would send an email and my boss would show up and say, “Hey I saw your email and I was just going by so I thought I would talk to you face to face.” After we got done talking I would then send another follow up email attached to the original email saying, “Just wanted to follow up and clarify the conversation we had this morning…” Another one is I would send an email to HR to address something, and if it didn’t get taken care of I would send another email chained to the original, and so on. I once had an issue that occurred two or three times a week so once or twice a week I would send the email chain. I did this for three months without any results. The next one I sent went to them and the two levels of management above them containing the whole chain, and what do you know, it was taken care of first thing the following day.
I used the same strategy to protect myself in government. My job required me to prepare technical reports, which only needed to go to a few people. Since they were doing their best to hide the problems I was detailing & describing, I began sending copies to every engineer & geologist with any inkling of participation to our project. In the end, it saved me from becoming the scapegoat. Their strategy was to shoot the messenger, not deal with a catastrophic problem that put 1,000's of lives at risk. Long after I left, more than a decade, that agency completely changed their tune & went full transparency. Sending copies to all engineers put everyone responsible for hiding the problem on notice that their secret was out & fixing the problem is the solution not hiding it. I was never going to be a whistle-blower, but I think the enormous paper trails I created made those in the let's keep this secret camp believe they had better come up with a strategy that doesn't include shooting the messenger.
Remember... HR is NOT your friend. They are not there to protect YOU - they are there to protect the company FROM YOU. Their goal is to prevent lawsuits and the easiest way to do that is to get rid of the employee that wants to sue them. 🤷♂️
I refused phone calls with HR and held firm on emails. Those emails saved my job because they claimed I wasn’t communicating enough while on workers comp/medical leave. They fired me for “lack of communication “ and I printed every email and came in with union rep, I emailed every work day. I got my job back.
I'm on a workers comp claim right now. I filed a complaint to HR via email about my supervisor bullying me and refusing to comply with a graduated-return-to-work plan. Guess what happened? The HR rep emailed me back wanting to have a phone conversation. I replied by telling her I prefer email and that any questions she has can be forwarded to me in a written Q&A. I'm waiting on a response, but I'll let you know what happens.
Yes, I've had to deal with bad HR. They DONT like it when you stand up for yourself by starting a paper trail. I sent a certified letter directly to the head of HR in care of that person's name and documented the previous conversations . Had multiple copies of that letter and let them know that. They were very VERY apologetic and knew I was 'ready to dance' ! Also, follow up until the issue is completely resolved! Always know u can consult an attorney.
Yes 100% - as a worksite union delegate, I always told people to send an email asap , that said ".... in relation to our recent phone call (date and time) I wish to reflect my understanding of the conversation ..... etc, .....please confirm..." Purely to get a paper tail, oh the judges in employment court love it, it makes their job easier.
@@DraconisWitch after you send the email, you give them a day or two to respond, whether in affirming that was what was said or disagreeing, and make sure that you keep following up every day or two until you have (in this email chain) an agreement on what was said. Don't just leave it at the one email.
@@rachelharris8270 - would it be acceptable to say in the email that if you don't hear back from them within x number of days to rebut the details in your email, that you will consider it as them agreeing that the details are correct?
@@anniec3210 the problem is that being ignored doesnt mean that they agreed with you. Its an argument for the proposition they dont agree or didnt read it.
@@James-yi1vk Yes, and that's why sending _mutiple_ emails spaced suitably far apart, along with proof this is the appropriate email to send to, works better as "I tried to contact them but no one evwr responded."
I have worked in HR for 30 years. HR is there to protect the company. However, protecting the company and employees are not mutually exclusive. The best advice here is to keep a paper trail so make sure you send it to yourself and don’t keep it on your work computer.
How isn't protecting the company and the employees mutually exclusive? If I want to sue the company your job is to make sure I can't do that, it doesn't matter if I was actually wronged or not from your perspective.
Also- print two physical copies of everything. If your case is extreme enough they hire red hats & "fixers" who can hack into anything digitally attached to you to dissolve any proof you may have.
@@metaLungiezIf the company cares about its employees and actually wants to keep them happy and working there, then their interests will be aligned. Of course, we all know that's not very common. You'll probably find that in small companies in jobs thag require some expertise.
@@metaLungiezTheoretically, HR's job is to make sure the situation doesn't escalate to the point that you feel the need to sue. Unfortunately, in today's corporate environment you probably have a better chance of finding a unicorn...
@@claws61821 like anything there's a work around... like having a friend use their phone to video record you as you have them on speaker. If they ask why, say your hands are full.
@nickf1221 if HR is talking to you it’s always best to record it and have it in your back pocket in case it’s needed. You think they’re actually on your side when they want to fire you? If the recording is legal and is admitted into evidence, it’s definitely going to be helpful. You need some common sense.
That's why in the UK you are ALWAYS allowed to be accompanied by another person into all disciplinary meetings, it's also why HR MUST take notes of the meeting and you are also allowed to do so and record the meeting if you wish.
Unfortunately I've had employers generate a false paper trail on me before, such as when an employer promised me a 4% commission from sales on my recipes(the first one I did sold really well, they owed me a few thousand from that one alone), then they didn't and they stole my WIP recipe notebook and produced my recipes anyway.
I had a manager who didn't want to be responsible for anything. If I emailed her a question, she'd walk over to my desk to give me instructions. As soon as her back was turned, I'd draft a summary email including the line "Please respond if I have gotten anything wrong. Otherwise, I will assume agreement." There were days that she'd talk to me, get back to her desk, turn around, verbally respond to the email, get back to another email, and return to my desk. If she just would respond to the emails, her life would have been easier. OFC, this is the same woman who gave me a bad review for not meeting expectations with the logic that she expected me to exceed expectations, so if I met expectations, I wasn't really meeting her expectations.
@@ceejay3054 I had a college professor that started the semester (in a 300 level undergrad class, Intro to Human Services Counseling) saying we were all beginning with a B average. If we wanted an A, we’d have to exceed her expectations. “That’s what As are for.” She was a grad student herself, and I’m sure had heard that rule from her professors. At least 1/2 of the class complained to our academic advisors or the dept head. She had to change her policy of how to receive an A and gave us a paltry apology. 🤦🏼♀️
@@ambermac77 yeah higher education won't tolerate that. Students have to be told exactly what they need to do for each specific grade ... I think I'm part because the degree is being paid for... And paid a lot for.
This happened to me at my job. My manager was engaging in disability discrimination and trying to fire me. I insisted on recording all of our conversations. She ended up being the one who got let go.
I'm a union rep and I used to do this to a department chief because he liked to handle everything via phone (and it's illegal to record the phone call). I can't tell you how many times he would get mad and visit me to ask why I sent an email summery. I told him, "I'm forgetful, so I like to have a written record." At the bottom, I added; "This is a summery of our discussion for my records. If anything in this email is inaccurate, please correct it via email so my record is accurate."
@@mijuajua4820 By saying my memory is faulty, it disarms any argument he has, and by asking for corrections via email, according to our attorney, that email will stand in court. Never had to go to court over any of my emails, by I did successfully use them in arbitration. The look on his face when the arbitrator read them and asked him, "If this is in accurate, where is your email correcting him?" 😆
My Manager pushed me over the edge with her micromanagement & lazy attitude which had been going on for ages so I emailed her all my grievances about her micromanagement, the pressure she was putting on us & gave her examples. I wanted it in writing. Right or wrong I cc'd the CEO & the supervisors so I wouldn't have to relay it to them, knowing I could be fired (at this point I didn't care 2 hoots!)😅. So many others had left the job because of her. Anyway she emailed back 'replying to all' saying she was so sorry to hear I was felt this way & wanted to make sure I was okay & that she would meet with me to discuss my concerns. She then sent a private email(seconds later) to just me saying she was SO DISAPPOINTED & upset that I sent that email & there were better ways of handling it than putting her on the blast to everyone. I laughed & seriously thought of forwarding THAT reply to everyone so they could see what a 2-faced she was but I didn't want to escalate it further. I already knew ccing everyone probably wasn't the right way to go about it, but remember I didn't care! 😅. We had the meeting & I apologised for ccing everyone in, BUT I told her I wasn't sorry for anything I wrote in my email. We hashed it out & from that day on, she never bothered me again & always tried to butter me up when ever she saw me. She acted like I was her best friend. The truth will set you free!!! 😅
I recorded a conversation between me and HR when they offered me a new job position. Turns out, they knew the position wasn't open when they sent me the offer and were using the offer for the position I wanted as a way to shove me into a nearby department I said multiple times that I didn't want. He took the opportunity to guilt, gaslight (trying to convince me that i told them i wanted the job that i told them i didn't want), and borderline accuse me of breaking the law (a 20 second google search would tell him it wasn't illegal to record here) and his response to me telling him it wasn't illegal was to tell me how inconsiderate and disrespectful I was, and claiming that i took advantage of them because 'I told them i wanted' the job i told them i didnt want. I quit.
Omg this is exactly what happened to me! Thank you so much for this! Tbf, im young, dumb and new to the world of work, but i was so distraught because i knew i was being illegally discriminated against, that i couldn't even speak! (Due to my disability)
I worked at a big movie company. I was working a rush and 400 degree popcorn butter got in my eye. I immediately went to the eyewash station but it wasn't even installed. I ran to the bathroom to wash my eyes and I told the supervisor. Immediately all the important big wigs came down surrounding me, looking scared. Asking if I was all right. My eye was red and swollen I had to be sent home and go to the ER to have my eyes flushed and inspected. Before I left that night I indeed asked for the accident report. But I was 16 and stupid not following up on it. It was my first job. I even took pictures and a video of the unworking eyewash and my eye. The next day the head GM was literally down from her high horse waiting by the front door for me BEFORE I even clocked in hand and foot! She asked how I was doing and if I was alright. I told her that there was no permanent damage to my eye but I did suffer from pain and issues retaining moisture and I have to take these special eye drops every two hours. She that's fine and take a break if I feel overwhelmed or come talk to her. After that I went in the back saw immediately they put an eyewash station THAT very night. They were Covering it up harder than a rattlesnake in the trees. Nothing came of it and I got fired a year after that. I really wished I could've sued but I know evidence will be hard to get.
Honestly, I learned to send a recap email after ANY work phone call, not just HR/legal calls. You never know when you might need to reference back to something you talked about or pin down when a conversation happened. Many times, I've had people thank me for writing out all the details of a work plan we made because it didn't come back up until days later and they couldn't remember all the steps we talked about.
Can confirm having everything written down helps tremendously. Saved my butt multiple times when I had an at work injury and the company was doing illegal things like: trying to not report the injury, fire me for being injured while on short term disability, and trying to prevent me from seeing a doctor when I couldn’t t walk.
Please, please, PLEASE remember that HR is not there to help you. They exist as the companies first line of defence against lawsuits and bad publicity.
Amen. Same with “patient advocates” in hospitals. I’m a cancer patient and learned the hard way they are NOT there to make sure you’re treated humanely, they’re there to make sure you don’t sue or contact the media. I always call them Admin Advocates now
I worked for a multi million dollar food manufacturer and what I witnessed is that companies treat their old employees badly so that they quit before they retire ... very sad ,,, employees give companies the best years of their life but as they get older that company starts to treat them badly .. giving them jobs no one wants ,, dead end work, boring work or dirty work
This is why my phone records EVERYTHING. If i find myself in a 2 party consent state one day, all i have to do is state at the beginning of the call that the call is being recorded. If that little fact makes them not want to talk anymore, that's fine, because what they were going to say was going to be illegal anyway
Don't even trust your own mother in corporate America. She's been brainwashed to further the capitalist agenda, and will one day show her true colors when she screws you over for five Russian ruples, which have overtaken the American dollar in value.
This is universal for abusers. They don’t like any form of written communication (including text messages) because it’s harder to gaslight you if your conversations are documented.
When I called out HR at my last job, with legal recordings proving everything. They sent me home, then 2 hours later told me they accepted my resignation. I didn't quit.... Didn't matter. The union was just as corrupt as the employer so I was just screwed. Employees have no rights, period.
Yes I went straight to several “TOP” people of THE Union about a workplace bullying issue. They each gaslighted me and basically said that”I dropped the ball” and that “they can’t help me!?!? Well why don’t they just refund all of the dues that workers paid “since they can’t help us”??
@@skinnypopcorn22-md2dp They do love gaslighting. And with the Democrats in control the labor relations board can't do anything. They literally told me that, lol.
The last union job I worked for had a rule that they weren't allowed to work their employees more than 14 days in a row without a day off, as if they give a damn about their employees, and they found loopholes to often ignore it. I stayed for 2 weeks and told the otherwise friendly managers there, who had accepted it as a "necessary evil" for "this type of business", that I found it morally reprehensible how often they were working their employees, and I would never work for Amports again.
Blue collar and white collar jobs must be so different. The first thing I was taught by the guy training me was "if it's not in writing, it didn't happen." This was over a decade ago.
I've worked in both sectors. They are VASTLY different. I work a blue collar, small factory job now, and it's pretty nice. Lots of decent folks. I used to work IT in an office environment, and everyone there, in 2 different companies, were all about stabbing each other in the back whenever possible. It seemed like no one knew how to do basic tasks on computers, which is a significant part of their job. Not knowing how to do their own job, they seem to resort to trying to make everyone else look bad, so they look less bad. It's kind of insane. This especially applies to middle management.
The problem is white collar jobs tend to have more naive applicants, aka college students who had haven't experienced the real world yet, and people would much rather protect their own cushy position then coach others how to not get screwed over. Blue collar tends to bond people more and the older workers usually want to protect the new guys because having more competent and savvy coworkers makes everyones job easiers.
Never talk on the phone. They can deny what they said. Everything should be written down (email, letters, texts) and/or recorded (voicemail). Never answer the phone, because they will have to leave a voicemail. After listening to their voicemail, do not call back. Email them to say that you got their message, but you prefer all correspondence be in writing through emails or texts. If they approach you to talk, say nothing and immediately begin recording on your phone. Inform them that you are recording. They have the choice to keep talking or walk away.
Even with Landlords, you have to keep communication in writing, take pictures and videos. To enter your unit, they are required to give you a 24 hr Entry Notice (which you must keep). Do not let in any contractor/repairman into your unit by yourself (male or female) unless accompanied by landlord and/or property management personnel. Tenant is only responsible for paying rent and keeping unit intact. All the other BS is THEIR JOB and in their best interest because THEY OWN PROPERTY, not you!
There is no 'human' in Human Resources. They exist solely to protect the financial interests of their employer. They are not your friends OR allies. Deal with them the same way you'd deal with police.
Also check to see if your state is single consent recording, meaning that as long as you are in the recording you consent and can make and keep it. There are lots of apps that will auto record your calls an save them with date an time stamps. Works for abusive marriages for police filings and divorces, too. Problematic school systems as well.
Yes but also be weary of internal policy. State though if your case goes to labor board i think can be entered in. However the company might have you on policy for recording.
NOOO! Simply record the call via dozens of free recording apps available. Then save as an mp3 and send to the lawyer or Americans with Disability Act. I recently did this and because of the recorded records, the ADA wrote me a letter saying that YES, the company was in violation of two or more federal ADA laws, and pretty much begged me not to sue them. Get it in writing from HR or in audio from HR, and you are covered. His advice is well-meaning, but not the most effective advice.
There are states in the US where it is illegal to record a conversation without the consent of all parties. In those states, his advice is very useful.
I hurt my shoulder on the job. They were very nice about everything until 2 days after the dr said I’m fit for Full work duty I was fired. I had allot Of Physical therapy still scheduled.
In your interview ask if they have an HR department. If they do, walk the f*** out. Big corporations are doing fantastic right now the only people who need you are small mom and pop businesses and they can't afford to have an HR department. You'd make the whole world a better place by simply never supporting the corporations that knowingly will not support you.
I filed a worker’s comp claim and the HR supervisor personally called me to ask if I was seeing a doctor and if I was recovering. I got fired like 2 weeks later. Lol they’re all scumbags.
@@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs nope. It was within the first 90 days so they documented it officially as “no reason”. Their lack of support and overloading my case caused me to injure my spine and there’s literally nothing I can do about it. Worst job ever. And I’m still unemployed because getting fired 3 months into a new job looks horrible.
@@csguy3223 well you don't have to put that job on your work history do you?? I mean you only worked there for a short time so why even include it on your resume?? Just leave it off. Forget them. I'm sure they have a standing policy of cutting loose anyone who gets sick or injured within the first 6-12 months. This is the evil of not having a national healthcare system. You know it's the 21st century but we're still living with a lot of barbarism in this country. Yes they're cold-blooded and it's bogus. We need much better laws that protect all employees and tenants and homeowners in this country. Those are the big three groups that keep getting screwed in the back door by these assholes. About your back, couple treatments you just might want to consider if you haven't heard about them yet, infrared therapy, red light therapy, and stem cell therapy. The first two are pretty affordable the last can vary. You may want to look into private medical providers in your area to see if they offer any stem cell therapy for back pain or whole body issues. Look in your greater metro area if there's nothing nearby. It's costly but it may be something you decide is worth it. I'm looking into it now for my partner who deals with a lot of back pain, joint pain and arthritis.
Absolutely true. Had one coworker who hurt her self bc her knee randomly gave out on the 4th step up on a ladder, & the job hates having accident reports of any proportion, so they try to get out of paying for it all the time even though they have accident reports, all the time. Multiple different mgrs called her on her days off to get her to say something inconsistent to each of them, to throw out covering anything medical.
Let the call go to voicemail, save it and call back while the office is closed so that you also go to voicemail where you inform them that you will communicate only by email. Problem solved.
Oh 100%! I work for a trade union in the UK and we tell people to do this after any call or informal meeting/"quick chat". Also keep a diary with the dates and details of any conversations, incidents, etc. Those written records are essential.
Just a tip on all the "take notes" comments. When you take notes, do so in a daily planner (usually found at an office supply store. Small 3 - 7 ring binder with leather like cover) these have far more weight in a court situation and will be taken as factual where loose paper notes will be suspect.
💯🎯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽⚖️🤓 Even an old school wall calendar 🗓 will do- the kind with the big boxes- or similar desk calendars. Fantastic way to keep a record of EVERYTHING. Make it a habit and it’s not even hard anymore. 😉🤓⚖️💪🏽
Honestly the hardest part is convincing your other coworkers to report the harassment they also go through because idk what it is but so many people think they’re the bigger person for not reporting but really they’re just being victims.
@@skinnypopcorn22-md2dp true. Also, what I’ve found is that the people who are experiencing the same harassment as you, but won’t/don’t speak up, let their more vocal co-workers speak FOR them so THEY don’t experience any fall-out. They’ll complain, and fret about the disrespect and all from Management/Supervision to you, but they’ll NEVER speak up and defend themselves. Don’t EVER let anyone use you as their “shield”.
It could be an enabling or lack of accountability company culture. However, some people don't know what to look out for or who they are actually dealing with. Manipulative / Dark Triad personalities wear many masks & cover their tracks 👏🏻👏🏻
Thank You for the info! 🙌🏾☺️👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I once had these supervisors derail my unemployment benefits, claiming that I "got an attitude" with them during a drawn out firing. 😒 And I LITERALLY MEAN draaaaaawn out (nearly an hour): When I kept asking them, "am I fired?" and they responded with MORE questions concerning a job that I CLEARLY NO LONGER HAD is just sadistic. 😒 It's really sad that so-called ADULTS come to WORK with the SAME school yard cattiness they had back in '96. 😩🤦🏾♀️
This department used to be called Personnel because they dealt with, you know, persons or people. In the 1980s Corporatespeak changed it to Human Resources and it wasn't by coincidence, it was by design. You the employee are no longer considered a person, you are a resource to be exploited for the Company. This is intentional. Never for a second think an HR employee is on your side or will represent what is best for you. They won't.
Record every meeting, I’d rather be in front of a Jury explaining illegal recordings than explaining why a $120K piece of equipment became a paperweight. Learned this with a manager that always said come to his office (no email trail) but always told me to have email or paper trail with anyone else, I started recording everything and found out he was illegally recording also.
Wish I'd known about this when I worked at Kohl's ... They harassed me to NO END & any complaints I made fell on deaf ears . Hated that company . So glad I no longer work there & refuse to shop there , either .
I always try to create a paper trail. Once I bought something from eBay and wanted to return it. The owner called me instead of messaging me to tell me he’s okay with the return but to send it after a specific date because he’s going to be out of town. The date was after the allowable date acceptable for a refund. So I emailed him a recap of our conversation and asked for a written confirmation regarding return date. Well long story short he was trying to be shady because after I made the return and called Ebay since he didn’t issue me a refund he got nasty, gave me a horrible review. I got my refund though. But he was so nice on the phone call, trying to get one on me.
TY for this information. I record all my calls and print out a transcript telling sender I recorded the call. Every state has different rules on consent so check before breaking the law or voiding your rights. The EMAIL is an excellent idea we need a PART 2 Please.
Of course yes establish the paper trail. But to make a blanket statement.that they aren't investigating? If it is a harassment claim, yes of course they are investigating. That's their responsibility and they can get in major trouble for failing to do that.
I like how you specified" bad bosses and Human Resources". Like, not even particularly bad Human Resources, this is just the baseline of what you can expect from them lol
This EXACT thing happened to me at Starbucks a few years ago! I felt so frustrated- they ended up firing me for no reason and I fought with their “partner protection” and two managers ganged up against me and LIED!! They said things that were not true at all. And I had no witness to be on my side. This does happen.
@@ifbfmto9338 you definitely have a punisher skull on your vehicle lol. You're living in a fantasy land where you somehow have an advantage over the HR woman simply telling the company and the police what you said, and then you have better legal representation than the corporation that HR lady is there to protect. Even if you personally were that secret badass you see in movies, (you aren't), you're giving out this advice as if the average person in the youtube comments is also a rogue rebel outlaw. You're just a silly little whimsical guy.
Facts. I had an EEOC suit against an employer years ago… used emails to document everything, even blind cc’d my personal email in the process. I won my case.
if you're not in a 1party consent state, wait until the other person says hello, then say to them: "for my records i will be recording this call" if they stay on the line, it counts as consent. if you're in a phone tree where the recording says to you "calls may be recorded for training purposes" simply repeat the same to the recording right after it says it to you.
Honestly, stuff like this makes me angry. I don't want to document my whole life, I don't want to live assuming something is done in bad faith, I don't want to protect myself in every action I do. The fact that it is necessary is such a massive problem in society and probably contributes to the anxiety epidemic. Low trust society at it's finest.
There's a lot of fundamental issues in western countries. In the States, we have a hell of a lot of work to do to straighten things out. It seems like nothing the government does is reliable or trusthworthy, and people don't know how to gather and speak up for themselves and other people. Weak people make for a weak country. One step at a time is often all I can do. Focusing on improving yourself is good work.
Yeah, it does really suck but better safe than sorry. Wish my husband listened to me when I told him to document. He never does and he’s gotten in trouble for it because there was no record. He’s saying his higher ups at work always make promises and I tell him it needs to be in writing, so of course, when they go back on their word, he can’t complain because there’s no proof of what they said
Install a phone recording app, record every conversation with HR and manager, file them away. Also send the recap emails, that lets them know you are not an easy victim, however, when they go to argue that the recap was not what was discussed, then you send them the recording, or include it in discovery.
Make sure to state at the beginning of the conversation that the conversation is being recorded and that by continuing the call that they consent to the recording. That way, they cannot claim unawareness of being recorded.
Yeah my last employer used this shit against me. The management kept failing so after a few property managers came and went they decided to make me the fall guy for their incompetence. My boss started telling me to do things like email her at least seven times a day with updates and call her twice a day and meet with her at least once a day to make sure we were all on track. So I called HR and told them that these were impossible to meet there was no reason to have these rules in place since I was meeting all my performance goals and then some. She then started following me around the property like shadowing me randomly and just popping in every time I was doing a work order or attending to a customer so I filed a complaint against her with HR that she was making a hostile workplace and harassing me all day everyday. If I didn't send one of the seven emails she wanted today she would literally write me up for it. She then started just writing me up for random shit that happens on a consistent basis. The screwed up part is she's writing me up for stuff that other technicians and managers were doing all the time like common practice stuff. Just normal accidents that would happen or taking too long to do paperwork and shit like that. But of course nothing happened she got away with it I left the job after she wrote me up again for not answering my phone on a weekend said that I was a supervisor and that was part of my job was to answer my phone whenever she calls me even though I'm not on the clock.
The problem is that in 2 party consent states the recording would be inadmissible as evidence. That’s why in states where that’s the case it’s better to leave an email or paper trail because they can always be used as evidence. Recordings are great to have if you can but they’re not that helpful if they’re not allowed to be used.
Walmart was good to me. I was having seizures daily and corporate policy required a 911 call, I would always fail to prove sound of mind and stop from going to the hospital. The cost of all this cost more than I was making. HR called me in and pointed out that disability was the best option and if/when I went to the government for disability the were willing to write a letter or show up.
I'm glad you had halfway decent hr if they actually followed through with that. Mine told me they had no positions available for me after my kidneys failed and then stopped responding to requests for information. They also didn't bother to remove me as an employee for months which is majorly complicating my disability claim because I became unable to work months before I was officially terminated.
This is a nice comment. There are bad people in every profession but I find that this particular poster is very one sided. Never points out that sometimes HR intervenes on behalf of employees. Countless times I have argued with managers that were doing something wrong or helped someone get disability that was confused about how to do so. Attended countless graduations, funerals hospital visits on personal time. To reduce anyone in any job to be categorically evil is wrong and not representative of an entire profession. It is also very dangerous as HR professionals can also be the target of misplaced anger and violence in the workplace fueled by inaccurate representations.
Pro tip: go to a dr and get a note stating that you need communication via email due to a hearing impairment. You don't have to actually have one, almost any dr will give you a note when you explain the situation.
Don't play Patsy with them clouds. Get out of that place and go find a better start your own company. I didn't wait around when they pulled that on me in a distribution center I walked out the door and told them if I come back in I'm gonna use their heads for a mop in their butt for a broom. As soon as they start threatening to fire you or write you up or find ways to get rid of you that is a sign right there that you need to get out of their ASAP and get a different career.
No call for me until the day before I was scheduled to return. They sent a mandatory conference call letter via FED Ex. I would have had them on grounds for firing while on Disability, but they caught their mistake and Fex Ex came w/request for the day of return. They said they were “restructuring the department.” This exact thing - nearly verbatim - happened at 2 corporate jobs 11 years apart. They also get you with a big, conditional severance package so you don’t sue them. Bastards.
You absolutely need things in writing from the insurance. I work in medical billing and while it doesn't happen often I've had plenty of times where they directly tell me something, I check with them to make sure they documented that they told it to me, and then I take their reference number.. and when I call back later the next person I speak to says the reference number doesn't exist or that the documentation doesn't include the thing they told me it included previously.
The previous HR person at my company failed to file my short term medical disability paperwork. Not only did I had her a copy in person but also emailed it to her and also saved a copy on our computer network. When I was on leave the HR person called me and tried to say I never had permission to take this leave and no paperwork was filed so I would not be paid for the 3 weeks I was gone. I sent her, and CC'd my boss and his boss, a follow up email with another copy of the paperwork and a confirmation email from my boss about my leave being approved along with a copy of the phone conversation with the HR person trying to get me fired.
I was out on workmens comp. Came home to a letter from employer i no longer had a job sued to get my job back. Cant fire someone on workmens comp. They were nice enough to put it in writing. 😊
Put it through a personal email. My ex employer shut down my personal email before I was even let go which had several emails I showed them that price they were doing the wrong thing. I was told to go print them and submit them as proof. I was locked out then told if I couldn't submit proof I was effectively terminated
That’s my boss. Literally. The things I got done a 100% all by myself he claims to be his. He yells at me and tell I yelled. He sends me three page disciplinary notes and when I ask for specific incidences or evidences he say it’s his judgement. HR seem to somehow in his pocket. Disgusting. I can’t move as I’m studying. So I’m in a horrendous deep hole atm.
Please write these interactions down and send a copy to HR (and keep a copy somewhere safe for yourself). Even if HR is on his side, they are still beholden to the law (even if they don't know it).
Unless you're in a 2-party consent state, you'll probably benefit to recording interactions with him. If you are in a 2-party consent state, you can still secretly record him without him knowing, but only manually-copied records (in a daily planner or something similar is better) are admissible in court. Confirmation from him (direct or indirect) that the conversation happened would make it more useful, but you having detailed records when he doesn't makes you look better.
I agree whatever is discussed with you ensure it’s recapped in a email without emotion - just the facts indicating date, time, duration of the call, who was on the call and bullet point on the contents and actions. I’d also suggest you bcc the email to a lawyer if have one or to a trusted person in your community. Also include received email message alert and read email alert. In your email request that they acknowledge the information is correct and advise on any adjustments. You should also do the same with your direct boss. This is how you hold people accountable.
I fought with HR for a year over an employee making me feel extremely uncomfortable. I talked to supervisors and HR multiple times with no change. The second I told them I had been taking notes of everything with dates and emailing coworkers the same their entire mood changed. Suddenly an investigation began, even tho they told me they already had investigated, and the man was fired for harassment a few days later
Always, always, always take notes when there's a conversation with you and HR, when you receive instructions that don't sit right or don't seem the best for a situation, or if there was a bad encounter with someone. Cover 👏🏼 all 👏🏼 the 👏🏼 butt 👏🏼 cheeks! At the end of the day, the only person you can count on 100% of the time anywhere you go is yourself.
Remember: If it isn’t written down, it might as well didn’t happen.
Verbal agreements are worth the paper they’re written on.
@@recherche4528 sorry but IF YOU'RE USING A COMPANY EMAIL AND COMPUTER COMPUTER, HOW DO YOU SAVE IT ON A USB OR KEEP IT AS A DOCUMENT TO CALL UPON ANYTIME?
@@samuelbeatsminecraft2049 Well that is not so difficult to do. Think Grasshopper. 😀
@@samuelbeatsminecraft2049blind cc your personal email? Not that hard, theres plenty of other ways
@@samuelbeatsminecraft2049Dude even your diary works too literally just write it down somewhere
My last HR lady ,was really nice ,I told her point blank she would not last 2 years, she cared about employees too much,she lasted about a year
@NewSonRising2024ethical behavior will not be tolerated. Only scumbags who knows the fine arts of screwing over everyone will be welcome here at human resources as it is our jobs to do so.
People that want to fire you will be right behind you, waiting and longing for a reason , I worked at McDonald's as a department manager for 3 yrs g.m didn't like me , made fake surveys, to make complaints on me, she even wrote me up twice in 1 day and I never knew y, she was African American but I highly feel she just didn't like me because I was a Mexican American, I had a hard working employee she told me she didn't like for no reason cut her days from 5 to 2 days, the moment I contacted h.r next day was terminated
@@martindominguez4788 wow
@NewSonRising2024Yeah cuz they aren't doing their job. Their job is to protect the company - meaning the owners - from liability. Not to protect management and certianly not to appease workers
Except they aren’t advertised that way. They pretend like they’re your friend. You pretending like that isn’t the case is retarded. They know exactly what they are doing and that it is 100% unethical
Make sure you ALSO send it to your personal email, so they can’t ‘accidentally’ or ‘per protocol after 30 days’ delete it from their and your email inboxes.
ALWAYS BCC yourself on any documentation you send to HR
Printing it isn't a bad idea, either.
Wouldn't it already be in your sent box?
Also send it to a few people you trust, just in case.
@@onionbubs386 bcc to your personal email. Some works enforce a deletion policy on company email servers
My favourite add on to the bottom of the recap e- mail is “ there is no need to reply if you agree to the content of this email”.
This ensures they will have to reply to you, therefore initiating a email/ paper trail.
Oooh shrewd move! Clever. 😎
This might be a dumb question, but why would you need them to reply in order to "initiate" a paper trail? Wouldn't your own sending the first email do that already?
Can't claim they never saw it or received it if they replied to it...
In the email, add some conversational highlights as discussed in the meeting. BEFORE you press SEND on your company sent email, see if you have the option to REQUEST A RETURN RECEIPT (look in email settings). This receipt ensures a date / time stamp that the recipient opened the email … and especially even if s/he doesn’t reply back to you … at least you now know that the email was opened!
Print a copy of the email and ‘return receipt’.
"get everything in writing" is the best advice I've ever received in my life
Also, Record everything possible. Video and even audio can be very helpful too.
Is it actually the best advice you've received? If you're serious, I'll 100% try to adopt this idea into my life.
@@gloriousblobber9647 touchtyping and shorthand are awesome for situations like this, when they won't let you record you can sit back and type exactly wha they're while looking them straight in the eye. Shorthands good for notes where you can speed write simple words, names, depts, etc and just use fullhand for odd or complicated words. Also means they can't read what you wrote so you can write down their tone, and facial expressions to remind later.
Ppl have to learn early no matter where you work there is no brotherhood and those aren’t your friends. I learned this quickly, the hard way, in the military. I had to fight so much for myself and my rights that when my husband and I had to hire a custody lawyer, I did a lot of work for her and was her unofficial paralegal on the case. Writing is the most underestimated skill in our society.
Documentation beats conversation every time.
I do this with my boss. Suddenly he stopped being such a jerk. It really works when they’re scared of being held accountable.
Had a stroke due to a supervisor threatening and harassing me. I told their bosses. Was told I should take it easy on him since he was getting a divorce. When I filed with eeoc when they fired me on leave. They had no paperwork and said I lied. Make that paper trail please
I should have done that too.
You had a STROKE Because a Supervisor Harassed and Threatened you?
I Didn't know that was even possible, I can't believe large portions of the Workforce aren't Stroking Out Everyday if thats the Case..
@@knowyourrights9793 - Preconditions, high blood pressure, high stress environment. Shit happens, my guy. Just not everyday or to everyone.
@@knowyourrights9793 Stress can cause the heart to work harder, increase blood pressure, and increase sugar and fat levels in the blood. These things, in turn, can increase the risk of clots forming and travelling to the heart or brain, causing a heart attack or stroke.... So yes scientifically proven😅, foods high in antioxidants will help
@@knowyourrights9793
Increased cortisol, fight or flight, increased blood pressure, increased blood sugar, increased heart rate… Boom! Stroke can happen.
HR doesn't exist to protect you, HR exists solely to protect the company.
It has protected me many times
There is some truth to your stament because they do protect the company and prevent lawsuites. A good hr does try to protect the employees too because doing that actually also helps the company by preventing future lawsuites. What this dude talks about is somewhat true too. Strictly if its a bad company
@josflorida5346 they protect the company, this often times means aligning with the interests of the victim. However, sometimes your interests do not align, and that is always why you must take necessary measures to protect yourself.
Think of it this way: HR is NOT your ally, however, it is also NOT your enemy. It is an independent neutral thing who's actions rely entirely on the interests of them. They can align with you, or not. But by not being an ally you MUST take actions in case they do not align and target you.
Learned that the hard way working for target in birmingham AL . Place was very toxic
Also make sure you at least Cc your personal email on all this, too! Your work email will be inaccessible & likely purged the moment you’re fired. Maybe before if they think you’ll try to print copies or forward info to an email they don’t control.
you can BCC (blind CC) if you don't want to tip your hand.
@HVAC Quality Assurance I'd suggest leaving the audio recorder running on cellphone during working hours in case boss/manager does something stupid like try to lean on you to drop it or something else you can use against them.
@@john-ic5pz depending on the state you live in, that can be illegal. Some states need consent of all parties involved being recorded, others states only 1 person (the person recording) needs to give consent.. I would record anyway, just be aware of your local laws! And good luck!
@@jacobviator3118 good point, so if the HR rep refuses to allow it to be recorded perhaps it'd be a good idea to insist on having the discussion by some other recordable method (like email, or perhaps some type of IM service). I hoenstly don't know for sure, but it seems logical to me. what are they gonna say 'no, we can't have any record'?
Wtf is cc
Used to work for a big pharmaceutical company. This girl in my lab used to have it out for me, reporting to our supervisor that I didn’t do much work, didn’t follow lab protocols, etc., when in reality I ran circles around almost everyone in there, was liked by everyone because I’ve got a good sense of humor and value morale in the workplace, which she hated, being former military. With the supervisor believing everything she said and nothing I said, I began to log in a notebook every time she was around me, where I was, what I was doing, and who was with me as a witness. It finally reached the point of harassment so I reported her, my supervisor went with her to HR to back up what she said, and when they tried to push for firing me, I handed over my log book of every incident. Those 2 never saw it coming, cause they bought into the lies that I never did anything and was a shitty worker. That broad was gone, my supervisor demoted and sent to another lab, and 3 years later I surpassed my supervisor who soon later quit. When being harassed or targeted, DOCUMENT EVERYTHING! I got out of the big pharma world and because of my experience there I now have an amazing job that takes me all over the world, currently in Australia. Thanks Ann you sad, sad bit** 😊
That is awesome!! I’m glad you were able to log everything and prove your case and that those terrible employees were sent away. Workplace morale is SO IMPORTANT!!
My husband had a similar issue at his work about a year ago. Nobody was saying that he wasn’t doing anything but his new supervisors were saying that he was just “doing whatever he wanted” in reality my husband was correctly doing his job in addition to extra things that he’s allowed to do as he is technically a “warehouse worker” but he knows everything about all the positions and then some. In addition to the position he has he is also a trainer, back up problem solver and a back up consolidator. The problem was his to new supervisors were brand fucking new. Like never worked in a warehouse before didn’t know their asses from their elbows. My husband will also call people out when they are telling people the wrong way to do something or if he sees someone doing something the hard kr wrong way he will show or tell them the correct ways to do this. He literally does it to be helpful but because they were his “boss” they took his approach all wrong. The bigger issue is that the new bosses supervisor that would normally be talked to by my husband is new to my husbands department. She’s worked at the warehouse for many years but she had managed and had a lot of knowledge about every other department besides the one that my husband works in. My husband doesn’t like to complain. If a situation is tough he will just grin and bare it which I can understand to a point but he was miserable all the time. I mean my husband doesn’t love his job or anything like that but he doesn’t hate it either. He gets paid good money and he’s really knowledgeable and he has made alot of really great friends. My husband takes a lot of pride in the work that he does and he has a lot of drive and strives to be the best of the best and his clueless supervisors were ripping him down left, right and center. I talked to him a lot and explained that he NEEDED to talk to the head supervisor and to HR I knew he didn’t want to but I explained all the reasons why he should for himself and then I said but if you aren’t going to do it for yourself you should do it for me and our young daughter. He was so beaten down mentally that when he was home he was cranky or sleepy provided he was awake. I told him I would rather he just put right quit if it was going to keep being so shitty we would be broke AF but atleast we would have our sanity. Like I said he makes good money. I work too but I work part time and I make almost $9 dollars less a hour than he does. I told him I would work more but he said no we would still be too broke and the next day he worked he went and talked to all of them and thankfully things have been a lot better. Sorry for all the ramblings I guess I needed to share my family’s story haha. Glad you have a even better job that allows you to see the world . Keep on enjoying your job and your life!
That’s awesome the only thing I’d like to add is that being the military type doesn’t entitle you to be a stuffy a hole. Chances are she was like that long before she entered the military lol Would like to go back to Oz myself!
Being former military has nothing to do with anything you shitbag. At least she had the balls to serve while you scurry around and snitch.
What do you do now? I’m looking for a job that will allow me to travel.
@@hoohoo431That's how some losers win. They cheat and be sneaky.
Remember folks, HR is there to protect the company….not the employees! I don’t understand how someone can believe HR is there for the opposite.
Just because you're a cynical moron doesn't make this true... I have known DOZENS of HR reps that work to help everybody.
Unions and lawyers are for the employee, HR and company lawyers are for the employer.
@@SailorYuki Lawyers are for themselves.
That's the reason I didn't study HR in college. It was pretty obvious to me they are trained to be the devil. Also Business and administration is a degree invented in the US. ( I did 3 years in the 90s. ) The whole point of it. Is training people to exploit other people. Like in slavery times. And if someone tells you is not . " Is the art of administrate " . They just bought it. That's it. There is no class on that curse that explains human rights. Air how to earn money so your employees have well paid jobs. It's it more about " cost' when you can not reduce your costs anymore because wood have a price. The way to reduce cost is human cost. Lower the wages. Cut any benefits you can from the employees. Put 1 guy to do the work of 3. And you can do the timesheet! OMG. Chose the biggest stronger worker and time him. ( Smith & Smith ) and place the standard there. And if your workers die in the line. Is not your problem you can hire another one. ( They are all replaceable) free market darling ! . And that's the mentality. I know I study it at university. Following Harvard guide lines. Disgusting. Selling MBA all around the world. Anyways you reduce the cost. And directly you rise the profits. Is that straight. And pay attention with greed. Any mayor company. Every time they change CEO the new guy. ( Who studied BA in the last 30 years ) all of them even if the company is working smoothly and have good profits. All of them to proof themselves or because they beating trained this way. Will try to get more profits under his regime than the previous. And how do you do that ? Without raising the prices. You lower the cost. And the cost of any company is - raw material and workers. And the power bill. Let's say.
@@recherche4528if we didn't have so many lawyers we wouldn't need so many lawyers
As a manager in a large government agency I used this all the time when dealing with HR and Admin. Many times I would send an email and my boss would show up and say, “Hey I saw your email and I was just going by so I thought I would talk to you face to face.” After we got done talking I would then send another follow up email attached to the original email saying, “Just wanted to follow up and clarify the conversation we had this morning…” Another one is I would send an email to HR to address something, and if it didn’t get taken care of I would send another email chained to the original, and so on. I once had an issue that occurred two or three times a week so once or twice a week I would send the email chain. I did this for three months without any results. The next one I sent went to them and the two levels of management above them containing the whole chain, and what do you know, it was taken care of first thing the following day.
I used the same strategy to protect myself in government. My job required me to prepare technical reports, which only needed to go to a few people. Since they were doing their best to hide the problems I was detailing & describing, I began sending copies to every engineer & geologist with any inkling of participation to our project. In the end, it saved me from becoming the scapegoat. Their strategy was to shoot the messenger, not deal with a catastrophic problem that put 1,000's of lives at risk. Long after I left, more than a decade, that agency completely changed their tune & went full transparency. Sending copies to all engineers put everyone responsible for hiding the problem on notice that their secret was out & fixing the problem is the solution not hiding it. I was never going to be a whistle-blower, but I think the enormous paper trails I created made those in the let's keep this secret camp believe they had better come up with a strategy that doesn't include shooting the messenger.
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Remember... HR is NOT your friend. They are not there to protect YOU - they are there to protect the company FROM YOU. Their goal is to prevent lawsuits and the easiest way to do that is to get rid of the employee that wants to sue them. 🤷♂️
But wouldn't that leave them open to unfair dismissle?
That’s right! Corrupt people hate follow-up emails. This man is giving great advice.
Your statement is very right.
I refused phone calls with HR and held firm on emails. Those emails saved my job because they claimed I wasn’t communicating enough while on workers comp/medical leave. They fired me for “lack of communication “ and I printed every email and came in with union rep, I emailed every work day. I got my job back.
The sad part tho….I wouldn’t even want to work there after that
Bravo! I always forced the union rep to communicate via email too because mine were as greasy as hr 😂
@@SamM88 after that they really watch you and make it hostile. I found another job and left on my own terms soon after.
I'm on a workers comp claim right now. I filed a complaint to HR via email about my supervisor bullying me and refusing to comply with a graduated-return-to-work plan. Guess what happened? The HR rep emailed me back wanting to have a phone conversation. I replied by telling her I prefer email and that any questions she has can be forwarded to me in a written Q&A. I'm waiting on a response, but I'll let you know what happens.
Yes, I've had to deal with bad HR. They DONT like it when you stand up for yourself by starting a paper trail. I sent a certified letter directly to the head of HR in care of that person's name and documented the previous conversations . Had multiple copies of that letter and let them know that. They were very VERY apologetic and knew I was 'ready to dance' ! Also, follow up until the issue is completely resolved! Always know u can consult an attorney.
We're you afraid of being sacked?
Yes 100% - as a worksite union delegate, I always told people to send an email asap , that said ".... in relation to our recent phone call (date and time) I wish to reflect my understanding of the conversation ..... etc, .....please confirm..." Purely to get a paper tail, oh the judges in employment court love it, it makes their job easier.
I'll remember that
@@DraconisWitch after you send the email, you give them a day or two to respond, whether in affirming that was what was said or disagreeing, and make sure that you keep following up every day or two until you have (in this email chain) an agreement on what was said. Don't just leave it at the one email.
@@rachelharris8270 - would it be acceptable to say in the email that if you don't hear back from them within x number of days to rebut the details in your email, that you will consider it as them agreeing that the details are correct?
@@anniec3210 the problem is that being ignored doesnt mean that they agreed with you. Its an argument for the proposition they dont agree or didnt read it.
@@James-yi1vk Yes, and that's why sending _mutiple_ emails spaced suitably far apart, along with proof this is the appropriate email to send to, works better as "I tried to contact them but no one evwr responded."
I have worked in HR for 30 years. HR is there to protect the company. However, protecting the company and employees are not mutually exclusive. The best advice here is to keep a paper trail so make sure you send it to yourself and don’t keep it on your work computer.
How isn't protecting the company and the employees mutually exclusive? If I want to sue the company your job is to make sure I can't do that, it doesn't matter if I was actually wronged or not from your perspective.
Also- print two physical copies of everything. If your case is extreme enough they hire red hats & "fixers" who can hack into anything digitally attached to you to dissolve any proof you may have.
Agree. An ETHICAL HR professional will call AND document the call. Unfortunately, most assume that there are no "humans" in Human Resources. SMH.
@@metaLungiezIf the company cares about its employees and actually wants to keep them happy and working there, then their interests will be aligned. Of course, we all know that's not very common. You'll probably find that in small companies in jobs thag require some expertise.
@@metaLungiezTheoretically, HR's job is to make sure the situation doesn't escalate to the point that you feel the need to sue. Unfortunately, in today's corporate environment you probably have a better chance of finding a unicorn...
Also, if you & the HR rep are in a state where only 1 party (you) to the convo needs to consent to the recording then record the call.
This
Hard to do anymore with few people having landlines and both Google and Apple aggressively blocking every call recording app
@@claws61821 like anything there's a work around... like having a friend use their phone to video record you as you have them on speaker. If they ask why, say your hands are full.
@nickf1221 if HR is talking to you it’s always best to record it and have it in your back pocket in case it’s needed. You think they’re actually on your side when they want to fire you? If the recording is legal and is admitted into evidence, it’s definitely going to be helpful. You need some common sense.
Best not to record the call. (Laws vary) just provide a summary of the call and ask if you understood the message that HR told you.
That's why in the UK you are ALWAYS allowed to be accompanied by another person into all disciplinary meetings, it's also why HR MUST take notes of the meeting and you are also allowed to do so and record the meeting if you wish.
Unfortunately I've had employers generate a false paper trail on me before, such as when an employer promised me a 4% commission from sales on my recipes(the first one I did sold really well, they owed me a few thousand from that one alone), then they didn't and they stole my WIP recipe notebook and produced my recipes anyway.
I had a manager who didn't want to be responsible for anything. If I emailed her a question, she'd walk over to my desk to give me instructions. As soon as her back was turned, I'd draft a summary email including the line "Please respond if I have gotten anything wrong. Otherwise, I will assume agreement." There were days that she'd talk to me, get back to her desk, turn around, verbally respond to the email, get back to another email, and return to my desk. If she just would respond to the emails, her life would have been easier.
OFC, this is the same woman who gave me a bad review for not meeting expectations with the logic that she expected me to exceed expectations, so if I met expectations, I wasn't really meeting her expectations.
I think we had the same boss!
That "I expect you to exceed" bullshit is the WORST. As a teacher, if I tried that with students I'd have 152 pissed-off parents calling me.
Man, you guys are great with the stuff. I would’ve never thought to do that.
@@ceejay3054 I had a college professor that started the semester (in a 300 level undergrad class, Intro to Human Services Counseling) saying we were all beginning with a B average. If we wanted an A, we’d have to exceed her expectations. “That’s what As are for.” She was a grad student herself, and I’m sure had heard that rule from her professors. At least 1/2 of the class complained to our academic advisors or the dept head. She had to change her policy of how to receive an A and gave us a paltry apology. 🤦🏼♀️
@@ambermac77 yeah higher education won't tolerate that. Students have to be told exactly what they need to do for each specific grade ... I think I'm part because the degree is being paid for... And paid a lot for.
This happened to me at my job. My manager was engaging in disability discrimination and trying to fire me. I insisted on recording all of our conversations. She ended up being the one who got let go.
I'm a union rep and I used to do this to a department chief because he liked to handle everything via phone (and it's illegal to record the phone call). I can't tell you how many times he would get mad and visit me to ask why I sent an email summery. I told him, "I'm forgetful, so I like to have a written record." At the bottom, I added; "This is a summery of our discussion for my records. If anything in this email is inaccurate, please correct it via email so my record is accurate."
This is great advice!
@@mijuajua4820 By saying my memory is faulty, it disarms any argument he has, and by asking for corrections via email, according to our attorney, that email will stand in court. Never had to go to court over any of my emails, by I did successfully use them in arbitration.
The look on his face when the arbitrator read them and asked him, "If this is in accurate, where is your email correcting him?" 😆
Ooooh great idea. I'm doing this from now on.
3-D chess kudos 👏
My Manager pushed me over the edge with her micromanagement & lazy attitude which had been going on for ages so I emailed her all my grievances about her micromanagement, the pressure she was putting on us & gave her examples. I wanted it in writing. Right or wrong I cc'd the CEO & the supervisors so I wouldn't have to relay it to them, knowing I could be fired (at this point I didn't care 2 hoots!)😅. So many others had left the job because of her. Anyway she emailed back 'replying to all' saying she was so sorry to hear I was felt this way & wanted to make sure I was okay & that she would meet with me to discuss my concerns. She then sent a private email(seconds later) to just me saying she was SO DISAPPOINTED & upset that I sent that email & there were better ways of handling it than putting her on the blast to everyone. I laughed & seriously thought of forwarding THAT reply to everyone so they could see what a 2-faced she was but I didn't want to escalate it further. I already knew ccing everyone probably wasn't the right way to go about it, but remember I didn't care! 😅. We had the meeting & I apologised for ccing everyone in, BUT I told her I wasn't sorry for anything I wrote in my email. We hashed it out & from that day on, she never bothered me again & always tried to butter me up when ever she saw me. She acted like I was her best friend. The truth will set you free!!! 😅
I recorded a conversation between me and HR when they offered me a new job position. Turns out, they knew the position wasn't open when they sent me the offer and were using the offer for the position I wanted as a way to shove me into a nearby department I said multiple times that I didn't want. He took the opportunity to guilt, gaslight (trying to convince me that i told them i wanted the job that i told them i didn't want), and borderline accuse me of breaking the law (a 20 second google search would tell him it wasn't illegal to record here) and his response to me telling him it wasn't illegal was to tell me how inconsiderate and disrespectful I was, and claiming that i took advantage of them because 'I told them i wanted' the job i told them i didnt want. I quit.
Meanwhile, they record everything you do in the workplace...
Got what they wanted all along…you gone. Sucks to be powerless in the work place and know it
They were trying to get rid of you
Your call may be monitored or recorded for quality assurances
@@Iwasonceanonionwithnolayers that statement also means you may record the conversation too. I always do
Omg this is exactly what happened to me! Thank you so much for this! Tbf, im young, dumb and new to the world of work, but i was so distraught because i knew i was being illegally discriminated against, that i couldn't even speak! (Due to my disability)
Verbal agreements are worth the paper they’re written on.
I worked at a big movie company. I was working a rush and 400 degree popcorn butter got in my eye. I immediately went to the eyewash station but it wasn't even installed. I ran to the bathroom to wash my eyes and I told the supervisor. Immediately all the important big wigs came down surrounding me, looking scared. Asking if I was all right. My eye was red and swollen I had to be sent home and go to the ER to have my eyes flushed and inspected. Before I left that night I indeed asked for the accident report. But I was 16 and stupid not following up on it. It was my first job. I even took pictures and a video of the unworking eyewash and my eye. The next day the head GM was literally down from her high horse waiting by the front door for me BEFORE I even clocked in hand and foot! She asked how I was doing and if I was alright. I told her that there was no permanent damage to my eye but I did suffer from pain and issues retaining moisture and I have to take these special eye drops every two hours. She that's fine and take a break if I feel overwhelmed or come talk to her. After that I went in the back saw immediately they put an eyewash station THAT very night. They were Covering it up harder than a rattlesnake in the trees. Nothing came of it and I got fired a year after that. I really wished I could've sued but I know evidence will be hard to get.
Hunie Dew. If you could go back in time, what would you do differently?
What would you sue for, "pain and suffering"? I hope your eye healed well.
Honestly, I learned to send a recap email after ANY work phone call, not just HR/legal calls. You never know when you might need to reference back to something you talked about or pin down when a conversation happened.
Many times, I've had people thank me for writing out all the details of a work plan we made because it didn't come back up until days later and they couldn't remember all the steps we talked about.
Can confirm having everything written down helps tremendously. Saved my butt multiple times when I had an at work injury and the company was doing illegal things like: trying to not report the injury, fire me for being injured while on short term disability, and trying to prevent me from seeing a doctor when I couldn’t t walk.
Please, please, PLEASE remember that HR is not there to help you. They exist as the companies first line of defence against lawsuits and bad publicity.
10000000000% They are NOT your friend, their job is to protect the company from you suing them and the executives, and to eliminate liabilities
A lot of people have a misplaced trust in HR depts and even aspire to join it as a career… until they find out what hr actually does.
@@aeonjoey3d yup! Be an Affirmative Action or EEO
So interesting to see how different HR works in the US, compared to Europe, especially Germany…
Amen. Same with “patient advocates” in hospitals. I’m a cancer patient and learned the hard way they are NOT there to make sure you’re treated humanely, they’re there to make sure you don’t sue or contact the media. I always call them Admin Advocates now
I worked for a multi million dollar food manufacturer and what I witnessed is that companies treat their old employees badly so that they quit before they retire ... very sad ,,, employees give companies the best years of their life but as they get older that company starts to treat them badly .. giving them jobs no one wants ,, dead end work, boring work or dirty work
This is why my phone records EVERYTHING. If i find myself in a 2 party consent state one day, all i have to do is state at the beginning of the call that the call is being recorded. If that little fact makes them not want to talk anymore, that's fine, because what they were going to say was going to be illegal anyway
That is so damn good. I'm gonna so do that as I live in a 2-party consent state too
What app are you using? So many modern phone call recording apps have been nuked by Google
NEVER trust anyone in corporate America
Or public
I'm sick of the egotistical corruption. They ruined Earth. 🚫.
Don't even trust your own mother in corporate America. She's been brainwashed to further the capitalist agenda, and will one day show her true colors when she screws you over for five Russian ruples, which have overtaken the American dollar in value.
Never trust anyone.
@@Help-c5x nah, this is almost exclusively an american problem
I ALWAYS say, "Can you send me that in writing?" People who get it, get it. It freaks other people out. Lol
I did same
I treat HR like I have a restraining order against them. Stay at least 50 feet from me at all times
Interesting. HR can deny that a meeting ever happened but they sure as hell remember when you threaten them LOL
This is universal for abusers. They don’t like any form of written communication (including text messages) because it’s harder to gaslight you if your conversations are documented.
When I called out HR at my last job, with legal recordings proving everything. They sent me home, then 2 hours later told me they accepted my resignation. I didn't quit....
Didn't matter. The union was just as corrupt as the employer so I was just screwed. Employees have no rights, period.
Yes I went straight to several “TOP” people of THE Union about a workplace bullying issue. They each gaslighted me and basically said that”I dropped the ball” and that “they can’t help me!?!? Well why don’t they just refund all of the dues that workers paid “since they can’t help us”??
@@skinnypopcorn22-md2dp They do love gaslighting. And with the Democrats in control the labor relations board can't do anything. They literally told me that, lol.
@@MrPig40 👎🙄. That’s crazy!!
The last union job I worked for had a rule that they weren't allowed to work their employees more than 14 days in a row without a day off, as if they give a damn about their employees, and they found loopholes to often ignore it.
I stayed for 2 weeks and told the otherwise friendly managers there, who had accepted it as a "necessary evil" for "this type of business", that I found it morally reprehensible how often they were working their employees, and I would never work for Amports again.
@@Brandon-1996 Sounds about right. My Union did the same thing.
I don't know how this came up in my feed, but I definitely appreciate it.
I'm experiencing harassment, and I was curious on how to proceed.
Blue collar and white collar jobs must be so different. The first thing I was taught by the guy training me was "if it's not in writing, it didn't happen." This was over a decade ago.
I've worked in both sectors. They are VASTLY different. I work a blue collar, small factory job now, and it's pretty nice. Lots of decent folks. I used to work IT in an office environment, and everyone there, in 2 different companies, were all about stabbing each other in the back whenever possible. It seemed like no one knew how to do basic tasks on computers, which is a significant part of their job. Not knowing how to do their own job, they seem to resort to trying to make everyone else look bad, so they look less bad. It's kind of insane. This especially applies to middle management.
The problem is white collar jobs tend to have more naive applicants, aka college students who had haven't experienced the real world yet, and people would much rather protect their own cushy position then coach others how to not get screwed over. Blue collar tends to bond people more and the older workers usually want to protect the new guys because having more competent and savvy coworkers makes everyones job easiers.
Had a manager that would say it every meeting then her position got eliminated and so did she
Never talk on the phone. They can deny what they said. Everything should be written down (email, letters, texts) and/or recorded (voicemail). Never answer the phone, because they will have to leave a voicemail. After listening to their voicemail, do not call back. Email them to say that you got their message, but you prefer all correspondence be in writing through emails or texts. If they approach you to talk, say nothing and immediately begin recording on your phone. Inform them that you are recording. They have the choice to keep talking or walk away.
I filed a sexual harassment charge against a co worker, they said just avoid him and proceeded to eventually get me fired shortly after.
This happened to me too! It's crazy how people will stick up for those they consider their own, even at the expense of the law
"You made one?"
@@ThatOne77 okay, so I filed a charge... my brain don't work so good some days with my ms.
@@mister_manager right? So sad. Even worse he did it to a few other women and they still did nothing.
That is terrible!! I’m really sorry. This happened awhile back to a friend of mine.
Even with Landlords, you have to keep communication in writing, take pictures and videos. To enter your unit, they are required to give you a 24 hr Entry Notice (which you must keep). Do not let in any contractor/repairman into your unit by yourself (male or female) unless accompanied by landlord and/or property management personnel.
Tenant is only responsible for paying rent and keeping unit intact.
All the other BS is THEIR JOB and in their best interest because THEY OWN PROPERTY, not you!
There is no 'human' in Human Resources. They exist solely to protect the financial interests of their employer. They are not your friends OR allies. Deal with them the same way you'd deal with police.
Also check to see if your state is single consent recording, meaning that as long as you are in the recording you consent and can make and keep it. There are lots of apps that will auto record your calls an save them with date an time stamps. Works for abusive marriages for police filings and divorces, too. Problematic school systems as well.
Yes but also be weary of internal policy. State though if your case goes to labor board i think can be entered in. However the company might have you on policy for recording.
The fact that there's so many different things that I need to learn just so that my job doesn't screw me over or cheat me is sickening
NOOO! Simply record the call via dozens of free recording apps available. Then save as an mp3 and send to the lawyer or Americans with Disability Act. I recently did this and because of the recorded records, the ADA wrote me a letter saying that YES, the company was in violation of two or more federal ADA laws, and pretty much begged me not to sue them. Get it in writing from HR or in audio from HR, and you are covered. His advice is well-meaning, but not the most effective advice.
Which app are you using?
@@LARKXHIN Audio Recorder, version 1.4, copyright 2023, FIPLAB Ltd.
There are states in the US where it is illegal to record a conversation without the consent of all parties. In those states, his advice is very useful.
If you ever wondered why Millennials hate phonecalls, it's this right here.
I hurt my shoulder on the job. They were very nice about everything until 2 days after the dr said I’m fit for Full work duty I was fired. I had allot Of Physical therapy still scheduled.
Hr should be changed to corporate bailout. They're there to protect the company not the employees.
HR stands for Human Resources for a reason. They manage the company's resources that are of a human nature.
Referring to them as the CB from here on. 😂
In your interview ask if they have an HR department. If they do, walk the f*** out. Big corporations are doing fantastic right now the only people who need you are small mom and pop businesses and they can't afford to have an HR department. You'd make the whole world a better place by simply never supporting the corporations that knowingly will not support you.
I filed a worker’s comp claim and the HR supervisor personally called me to ask if I was seeing a doctor and if I was recovering. I got fired like 2 weeks later. Lol they’re all scumbags.
They are indeed. I wonder if you could have sued for wrongful termination tho.
@@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs nope. It was within the first 90 days so they documented it officially as “no reason”. Their lack of support and overloading my case caused me to injure my spine and there’s literally nothing I can do about it. Worst job ever. And I’m still unemployed because getting fired 3 months into a new job looks horrible.
@@csguy3223 well you don't have to put that job on your work history do you?? I mean you only worked there for a short time so why even include it on your resume?? Just leave it off. Forget them. I'm sure they have a standing policy of cutting loose anyone who gets sick or injured within the first 6-12 months.
This is the evil of not having a national healthcare system. You know it's the 21st century but we're still living with a lot of barbarism in this country.
Yes they're cold-blooded and it's bogus. We need much better laws that protect all employees and tenants and homeowners in this country. Those are the big three groups that keep getting screwed in the back door by these assholes.
About your back, couple treatments you just might want to consider if you haven't heard about them yet, infrared therapy, red light therapy, and stem cell therapy. The first two are pretty affordable the last can vary. You may want to look into private medical providers in your area to see if they offer any stem cell therapy for back pain or whole body issues. Look in your greater metro area if there's nothing nearby. It's costly but it may be something you decide is worth it. I'm looking into it now for my partner who deals with a lot of back pain, joint pain and arthritis.
Absolutely true. Had one coworker who hurt her self bc her knee randomly gave out on the 4th step up on a ladder, & the job hates having accident reports of any proportion, so they try to get out of paying for it all the time even though they have accident reports, all the time. Multiple different mgrs called her on her days off to get her to say something inconsistent to each of them, to throw out covering anything medical.
Let the call go to voicemail, save it and call back while the office is closed so that you also go to voicemail where you inform them that you will communicate only by email. Problem solved.
only if you can save that voicemail as a wav file on another system. If you get locked out they can purge that as easily as an email box.
@@fairygoth-mother7341 Did you think the plan is to delete it? Seriously. Some people just want to argue with their own imagination.
Oh 100%! I work for a trade union in the UK and we tell people to do this after any call or informal meeting/"quick chat". Also keep a diary with the dates and details of any conversations, incidents, etc. Those written records are essential.
Just a tip on all the "take notes" comments. When you take notes, do so in a daily planner (usually found at an office supply store. Small 3 - 7 ring binder with leather like cover) these have far more weight in a court situation and will be taken as factual where loose paper notes will be suspect.
💯🎯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽⚖️🤓 Even an old school wall calendar 🗓 will do- the kind with the big boxes- or similar desk calendars. Fantastic way to keep a record of EVERYTHING. Make it a habit and it’s not even hard anymore. 😉🤓⚖️💪🏽
I lost a job because of harassment from a manager and HR did not help me at all, lesson learned.
Honestly the hardest part is convincing your other coworkers to report the harassment they also go through because idk what it is but so many people think they’re the bigger person for not reporting but really they’re just being victims.
True and they’re being enablers too
@@skinnypopcorn22-md2dp true. Also, what I’ve found is that the people who are experiencing the same harassment as you, but won’t/don’t speak up, let their more vocal co-workers speak FOR them so THEY don’t experience any fall-out. They’ll complain, and fret about the disrespect and all from Management/Supervision to you, but they’ll NEVER speak up and defend themselves. Don’t EVER let anyone use you as their “shield”.
It could be an enabling or lack of accountability company culture. However, some people don't know what to look out for or who they are actually dealing with.
Manipulative / Dark Triad personalities wear many masks & cover their tracks 👏🏻👏🏻
Thank You for the info!
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I once had these supervisors derail my unemployment benefits, claiming that I "got an attitude" with them during a drawn out firing. 😒
And I LITERALLY MEAN draaaaaawn out (nearly an hour):
When I kept asking them, "am I fired?" and they responded with MORE questions concerning a job that I CLEARLY NO LONGER HAD is just sadistic. 😒
It's really sad that so-called ADULTS come to WORK with the SAME school yard cattiness they had back in '96. 😩🤦🏾♀️
This department used to be called Personnel because they dealt with, you know, persons or people. In the 1980s Corporatespeak changed it to Human Resources and it wasn't by coincidence, it was by design. You the employee are no longer considered a person, you are a resource to be exploited for the Company. This is intentional. Never for a second think an HR employee is on your side or will represent what is best for you. They won't.
You’re one of good guys. Truly. Thank you sir from all us little guys.
Record every meeting, I’d rather be in front of a Jury explaining illegal recordings than explaining why a $120K piece of equipment became a paperweight.
Learned this with a manager that always said come to his office (no email trail) but always told me to have email or paper trail with anyone else, I started recording everything and found out he was illegally recording also.
Social Security Disabilty does similar. But I already had an attorney, so the tricks didnt work. I hung up on her and called my attorney.
Wish I'd known about this when I worked at Kohl's ... They harassed me to NO END & any complaints I made fell on deaf ears .
Hated that company .
So glad I no longer work there & refuse to shop there , either .
And now they have lost me as a customer, too.
Documenting with a paper trail is good advice in almost any situation. I've found it particularly helpful with landlords.
Remember folks! HR is not your friend. It is there to protect the company
Not really but go off you tin foil hat wearing clown.
YUP
They're the company Pinkertons.
Thats why i used a recorder as soon as i speak with HR or my bosses, they are way more polite when they know they are being recorded
I always try to create a paper trail. Once I bought something from eBay and wanted to return it. The owner called me instead of messaging me to tell me he’s okay with the return but to send it after a specific date because he’s going to be out of town. The date was after the allowable date acceptable for a refund. So I emailed him a recap of our conversation and asked for a written confirmation regarding return date. Well long story short he was trying to be shady because after I made the return and called Ebay since he didn’t issue me a refund he got nasty, gave me a horrible review. I got my refund though. But he was so nice on the phone call, trying to get one on me.
TY for this information.
I record all my calls and print out a transcript telling sender
I recorded the call.
Every state has different rules on consent so check before breaking the law or voiding your rights.
The EMAIL is an excellent idea we need a PART 2 Please.
HR is there to protect the company. Not you. BTW: Lying in court is a crime. But you have to have proof of the crime. That's why you send the email.
Of course yes establish the paper trail. But to make a blanket statement.that they aren't investigating? If it is a harassment claim, yes of course they are investigating. That's their responsibility and they can get in major trouble for failing to do that.
I like how you specified" bad bosses and Human Resources".
Like, not even particularly bad Human Resources, this is just the baseline of what you can expect from them lol
HR are there to protect the employer.
This EXACT thing happened to me at Starbucks a few years ago! I felt so frustrated- they ended up firing me for no reason and I fought with their “partner protection” and two managers ganged up against me and LIED!! They said things that were not true at all. And I had no witness to be on my side. This does happen.
Good tips I’ve been burned by HR twice before and I can’t stand them they are truly evil
@@ifbfmto9338lol
horrible advice
@@ifbfmto9338 you definitely have a punisher skull on your vehicle lol.
You're living in a fantasy land where you somehow have an advantage over the HR woman simply telling the company and the police what you said, and then you have better legal representation than the corporation that HR lady is there to protect. Even if you personally were that secret badass you see in movies, (you aren't), you're giving out this advice as if the average person in the youtube comments is also a rogue rebel outlaw.
You're just a silly little whimsical guy.
@@ifbfmto9338 If you seriously think that sort of behaviour is ok you are a part of the problem and deserve what's coming to you
@@ifbfmto9338 what does that have to do with gender? Youre clearly easy to intimidate too
Facts. I had an EEOC suit against an employer years ago… used emails to document everything, even blind cc’d my personal email in the process. I won my case.
Find out if you are in a state that only requires one party consent. If so, record the call.
if you're not in a 1party consent state, wait until the other person says hello, then say to them:
"for my records i will be recording this call"
if they stay on the line, it counts as consent.
if you're in a phone tree where the recording says to you "calls may be recorded for training purposes" simply repeat the same to the recording right after it says it to you.
Best thing I did. This is so useful.
This is why I record every single conversation at work on my phone
Honestly, stuff like this makes me angry. I don't want to document my whole life, I don't want to live assuming something is done in bad faith, I don't want to protect myself in every action I do. The fact that it is necessary is such a massive problem in society and probably contributes to the anxiety epidemic. Low trust society at it's finest.
There's a lot of fundamental issues in western countries. In the States, we have a hell of a lot of work to do to straighten things out. It seems like nothing the government does is reliable or trusthworthy, and people don't know how to gather and speak up for themselves and other people. Weak people make for a weak country.
One step at a time is often all I can do. Focusing on improving yourself is good work.
It really is unfortunate. Especially when you're being underpaid.
Noting down things that happen at work to protect yourself isn’t documenting your whole life. It’s smart.
Yeah, it does really suck but better safe than sorry. Wish my husband listened to me when I told him to document. He never does and he’s gotten in trouble for it because there was no record. He’s saying his higher ups at work always make promises and I tell him it needs to be in writing, so of course, when they go back on their word, he can’t complain because there’s no proof of what they said
life is always brutally competitive.
I literally yell this to friend so often. Follow every verbal conversation with a follow up email! No matter how small.
Install a phone recording app, record every conversation with HR and manager, file them away. Also send the recap emails, that lets them know you are not an easy victim, however, when they go to argue that the recap was not what was discussed, then you send them the recording, or include it in discovery.
Make sure to state at the beginning of the conversation that the conversation is being recorded and that by continuing the call that they consent to the recording. That way, they cannot claim unawareness of being recorded.
HR is hired by a company. They do not get paid by employees. That's ALL you need to know.
So not true 😂😂😂
Yeah my last employer used this shit against me. The management kept failing so after a few property managers came and went they decided to make me the fall guy for their incompetence. My boss started telling me to do things like email her at least seven times a day with updates and call her twice a day and meet with her at least once a day to make sure we were all on track. So I called HR and told them that these were impossible to meet there was no reason to have these rules in place since I was meeting all my performance goals and then some. She then started following me around the property like shadowing me randomly and just popping in every time I was doing a work order or attending to a customer so I filed a complaint against her with HR that she was making a hostile workplace and harassing me all day everyday. If I didn't send one of the seven emails she wanted today she would literally write me up for it. She then started just writing me up for random shit that happens on a consistent basis. The screwed up part is she's writing me up for stuff that other technicians and managers were doing all the time like common practice stuff. Just normal accidents that would happen or taking too long to do paperwork and shit like that.
But of course nothing happened she got away with it I left the job after she wrote me up again for not answering my phone on a weekend said that I was a supervisor and that was part of my job was to answer my phone whenever she calls me even though I'm not on the clock.
Paper trail is definitely the key. 🗝️ Cover your back because they won't.💯
Record the call ... For quality control purposes and training.
The problem is that in 2 party consent states the recording would be inadmissible as evidence. That’s why in states where that’s the case it’s better to leave an email or paper trail because they can always be used as evidence. Recordings are great to have if you can but they’re not that helpful if they’re not allowed to be used.
You are so correct … nothing will come of it…especially the govt 😮
Walmart was good to me. I was having seizures daily and corporate policy required a 911 call, I would always fail to prove sound of mind and stop from going to the hospital. The cost of all this cost more than I was making. HR called me in and pointed out that disability was the best option and if/when I went to the government for disability the were willing to write a letter or show up.
I'm glad you had halfway decent hr if they actually followed through with that. Mine told me they had no positions available for me after my kidneys failed and then stopped responding to requests for information. They also didn't bother to remove me as an employee for months which is majorly complicating my disability claim because I became unable to work months before I was officially terminated.
This is a nice comment. There are bad people in every profession but I find that this particular poster is very one sided. Never points out that sometimes HR intervenes on behalf of employees. Countless times I have argued with managers that were doing something wrong or helped someone get disability that was confused about how to do so. Attended countless graduations, funerals hospital visits on personal time. To reduce anyone in any job to be categorically evil is wrong and not representative of an entire profession. It is also very dangerous as HR professionals can also be the target of misplaced anger and violence in the workplace fueled by inaccurate representations.
Pro tip: go to a dr and get a note stating that you need communication via email due to a hearing impairment. You don't have to actually have one, almost any dr will give you a note when you explain the situation.
Don't play Patsy with them clouds. Get out of that place and go find a better start your own company. I didn't wait around when they pulled that on me in a distribution center I walked out the door and told them if I come back in I'm gonna use their heads for a mop in their butt for a broom. As soon as they start threatening to fire you or write you up or find ways to get rid of you that is a sign right there that you need to get out of their ASAP and get a different career.
No call for me until the day before I was scheduled to return. They sent a mandatory conference call letter via FED Ex.
I would have had them on grounds for firing while on Disability, but they caught their mistake and Fex Ex came w/request for the day of return.
They said they were “restructuring the department.”
This exact thing - nearly verbatim - happened at 2 corporate jobs 11 years apart.
They also get you with a big, conditional severance package so you don’t sue them.
Bastards.
do this for literally everything! Especially insurance companies.
You absolutely need things in writing from the insurance. I work in medical billing and while it doesn't happen often I've had plenty of times where they directly tell me something, I check with them to make sure they documented that they told it to me, and then I take their reference number.. and when I call back later the next person I speak to says the reference number doesn't exist or that the documentation doesn't include the thing they told me it included previously.
The previous HR person at my company failed to file my short term medical disability paperwork. Not only did I had her a copy in person but also emailed it to her and also saved a copy on our computer network. When I was on leave the HR person called me and tried to say I never had permission to take this leave and no paperwork was filed so I would not be paid for the 3 weeks I was gone. I sent her, and CC'd my boss and his boss, a follow up email with another copy of the paperwork and a confirmation email from my boss about my leave being approved along with a copy of the phone conversation with the HR person trying to get me fired.
I was out on workmens comp. Came home to a letter from employer i no longer had a job sued to get my job back. Cant fire someone on workmens comp. They were nice enough to put it in writing. 😊
Ryan, you are a gift. Thank-you
Put it through a personal email. My ex employer shut down my personal email before I was even let go which had several emails I showed them that price they were doing the wrong thing. I was told to go print them and submit them as proof. I was locked out then told if I couldn't submit proof I was effectively terminated
HR is accurately known as Human Resources. What do we do with resources? We exploit them.
That’s my boss. Literally. The things I got done a 100% all by myself he claims to be his. He yells at me and tell I yelled. He sends me three page disciplinary notes and when I ask for specific incidences or evidences he say it’s his judgement. HR seem to somehow in his pocket. Disgusting. I can’t move as I’m studying. So I’m in a horrendous deep hole atm.
Please write these interactions down and send a copy to HR (and keep a copy somewhere safe for yourself). Even if HR is on his side, they are still beholden to the law (even if they don't know it).
Unless you're in a 2-party consent state, you'll probably benefit to recording interactions with him.
If you are in a 2-party consent state, you can still secretly record him without him knowing, but only manually-copied records (in a daily planner or something similar is better) are admissible in court. Confirmation from him (direct or indirect) that the conversation happened would make it more useful, but you having detailed records when he doesn't makes you look better.
Get an employment lawyer.
I agree whatever is discussed with you ensure it’s recapped in a email without emotion - just the facts indicating date, time, duration of the call, who was on the call and bullet point on the contents and actions. I’d also suggest you bcc the email to a lawyer if have one or to a trusted person in your community. Also include received email message alert and read email alert. In your email request that they acknowledge the information is correct and advise on any adjustments. You should also do the same with your direct boss. This is how you hold people accountable.
I fought with HR for a year over an employee making me feel extremely uncomfortable. I talked to supervisors and HR multiple times with no change. The second I told them I had been taking notes of everything with dates and emailing coworkers the same their entire mood changed. Suddenly an investigation began, even tho they told me they already had investigated, and the man was fired for harassment a few days later
Always, always, always take notes when there's a conversation with you and HR, when you receive instructions that don't sit right or don't seem the best for a situation, or if there was a bad encounter with someone. Cover 👏🏼 all 👏🏼 the 👏🏼 butt 👏🏼 cheeks! At the end of the day, the only person you can count on 100% of the time anywhere you go is yourself.