Santos distributed the money he received from the Eiffel flight prize to the poor in Paris, specially to pay off debt of poor families at that time, and to his employees/workers.
@@lunaazule1899 Yes, but why would this make a difference? Today, someone as wealthy as Santos-Dumont would have to have his accountants set up a non-profit charity to distribute the gift and the money would probably have to be given directly to the charity. This would be the procedure in the US. I am not sure about current tax laws in France.
Absolutely. I just tweeted: @TheAvWriter - #SantosDumont made the first real flight. His father was partly paralyzed from falling off a horse. @Scottymechanic #BlancoLirioReport @wuauquikunaoff1 th-cam.com/video/o7Rf-MnERfo/w-d-xo.html
@Roberto Xiximanganes Exact! And for any discussion about this polemic , just ask: how would be possible the Flyer, with 340,2 kg and 12 hp fly sustainable, since it is physically impossible ? The discussion finishes.
Yes, both were great pioneers and earned their place. Nevertheless, I consider Dumont's life consistently more interesting than the Wright's and he deserves more than a simple footnote in American books (my opinion).
@Marcos Palhares Marcos, sejamos pelo menos céticos. Vamos traçar uma normal para apenas eu tentar entender algo: -Você duvida de fatos históricos que foram os vôos do 14-bis ? É isso mesmo ? - Nas falácias dos Wright sem prova alguma de vôos anteriores a 1908, que vão contra as leis da física você acredita?
@Marcos Palhares Making the tranlation short, as you understand Portuguese and got it all already. Clarify please: -You do not believe in the historical FACTS about Santos Dumont flights. - You believe even without a proof about Wright brothers flights. How can it be?
in Oahu outside of the ARMY's Scoffield Barracks there is a street near the aviation brigade. The street is named Santos-Dumont. I'm probably the only soldier who appreciated the importance of the street name. But apparently someone else also appreciated Santos-Dumont. From Abu Firas to Santos Dumont, airborne all the way!!
in bagatelle, Paris, there has been a monument for Dumont since 1910. on this monument is written "FIRST AVIATION RECORD OF THE WORLD" for Dumont and under the supervision of the largest aeronautical authority in the world , french aeroclub. The first record for the wrights, May 1908 in the United States in extremely precarious flight without the ability to run and take off. flew 337 meters only.
@@glostermeteorwright2724 You are full of schight. The Wrights in 1905 flew in Dayton Ohio, one flight of 25 miles in 37 minutes. Their first flight was in 1903, that's when Santos Dumont was wearing knee pants.
@@glostermeteorwright2724 "BAGATELLE GAME FIELD HAS A MONUMENT. On the monument there is a plaque which reads First aviation record of the world. SB: There are long discussions of the monument and its plaques which were added later. Some of the statements are difficult to understand. Archdeacon and two other tycoons were interested in promoting French aviation. They came up with a rather strange limitation on what would count as an aviation record in France. The requirements included that the record must be set up and approved by members of the French Aeroclub. Wilbur set an altitude record in 1908 but the French Aeroclub would not approve it because he had used a derrick catapult. So he took off on skids and set the record again. Santos-Dumont set the first record that complied with FAI rules. In the Fall of 1904, the Wright Brothers had set 25 and 100 meter distance records. However, they didn't count because they were not public and were not witnessed by someone from the French Aero-club.
This Is a Great Documentary Santos was An Absolute Genius!! He wanted flight to bring the world together and instead he felt like it was used to betray him. As he was definitely a man of Peace so I can't imagine the amount of Guilt he felt seeing the airplane used to spill the Blood of his fellow man. He obviously blamed himself because without his efforts all those people would've lived. The Wright Brothers and others were a lot more responsibility for that and he ever was. The Wright Brothers Even Sold a Plane to the Military and obviously someone in Germany sold theirs to the German government. The fact that Santos was in the sanitarium was a sign of the depth of his guilt. Suicide or heart attack more like a combination of the two. I think it's more like he died of a broken heart long before his heart stopped beating. That such a sad ending to such a Brilliant Man but it does not take away from his Great accomplishments in any way. I have never really heard much about Mr. Santos before seeing this documentary on him! Thank you for posting this documentary on Mr. Santos. Actually the first person to create a powered and controlled aircraft of any kind even a dirigible is a heavier than air form of aircraft.
Maravilha!!! Acabei de ver esse documentário hoje pela tv na Noruéga e me arrepiei. Esse foi um herói da humanidade, o verdadeiro inventor do avião. Tenho amigos americanos que nunca viu falar do "pai da aviacão". Vou mostrar este vídeo aqui do you tube.Procurei logo que ví o programa e achei isso aqui. Coloque mais, seria ótimo mostrar ao mundo quem foi Santos Dumont que ninquem conhece.
Santos Dumont é um herói nacional e também internacional. Habita os sonhos das crianças e de muitos adultos. Humilde e sem ganância. Sempre pensou no bem estar do próximo e da humanidade. Tenho orgulho de ser brasileiro.🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
When Santos Dumont flew the 14 bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) The 1903 Flyer, which took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) in 59 seconds; 2) The 1904 Flyer which also took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet; and 3) the 1905 Flyer which also took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including several circular maneuvers. On the other hand, Santos Dumont's 14 bis was essentially uncontrollable and was only capable of flying short distances in a straight line.
@@johnwelsh2769 The Morris Tribune. [volume], September 29, 1906, Image 7 KEEPING TAB ON THE WORLD Concluded from page 2. Santos Dumont's Mechanical Flight. Although M. Santos-Dumont in his new aeroplane, the Bird of Prey, was able to traverse the air at Paris only a distance of thirty-seven feet before his ship came to the ground with a crash, nevertheless the test is regarded as one of great importance because it was the first time an airship had ever left the earth unaided. chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn91059394/1906-09-29/ed-1/seq-7/#date1=1770&sort=relevance&rows=20&words=aeroplane+Dumont+Santos+Santos-Dumont&searchType=basic&sequence=0&index=15&state=&date2=1963&proxtext=santos+dumont+aeroplane&y=0&x=0&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=2
@@johnwelsh2769 Evening Star. [volume], December 09, 1906, Sunday star, Page 5, Image 53 The Sunday Star, Washington, D. C., December 09, 1906-Part 4. (Copyright, 1906, by John Elfreth Watkins.) SANTOS-DUMONT is the first man to have performed aerial flight with a self-propelled machine heavier than the air which it displaced. He has solved a problem which has caused inventive geniuses to burn the midnight oil and toss restlessly upon their couches since centuries before the dawn of the Christian era. During three millenniums or more ambitious men have broken their hearts and their heads seeking the great goal which this fearless Brazilian has won within the past few weeks.
Brazilians our American Brothers to the South...God bless Alberto Santos Dumont he is the FIRST and the most creative of them all...the French are lucky to have him work his magic there..Wish he stayed in the Americas , The wright brothers were greedy and cowards compared to Santos...Some how some way the Brazilians will be the New Power of the world its in their blood to be the best no matter how hard the path may be..They remind me of how the U.S use to be, but some how became a world power! this was a wonderful flick hope many Americans watch this and learn the truth.
The Wrights had no problem sharing their ideas with other pioneers of aviation. They just wanted to be paid a royalty if money was made on plane production. I am not sure that they were successful. They successfully sued Glen Curtis but the Curtis company and the Wright company eventually merged. By that time, I don't think Orville Wright or Glen Curtis were associated with the companies. The Wrights were slow and methodical and took extra measures to make sure the pilot could survive a crash. They couldn't eliminate all risk. How can you call any of the early aviators "cowards.
So in your delusional mind an aircraft that can barely get 10 feet off the ground and can't make a controlled turn is somehow better than one that can be controlled and stay in the air for an extended period? It's so stupid. Go away with your bullshit feel good stories. The truth is the Wright brothers had a functional, controllable aircraft. Dumont had a pile of junk he could force 10 feet off the ground and fly in a straight line for a few seconds.
@@joeg5414 KAKAKAKAKAKAKAK YOU ARE DUMB VERY TRASH YOUR THOUGHTS FLYER HAS NO REPLICAS THAT FLY THE 14BIS HAS THE WRIGHT ONLY WANTED MONEY THE SCORE OF HUMANITY
Ana Barbosu and Sabrina Volnei just learned what they can do to achive their geopolitical goals. Brazilians will never stop fighting for Santos Dumont.
The fact that you frame this technical topic in nationalistic terms, only reveals your own bias. The accomplishments of Santos-Dumont and the Wrights were the accomplishments of individuals, not countries anyway. No Brazilian or American today shares any credit for them, so the Brazil-versus-US squabbling is nothing more than false pride, and it demeans the legacies of all three men.
@@cardinalRG Both cases are all about hegemony, this is all about geopolitcs, all about narrative, thus domination. Of course I have a bias, so you do too. Despite being individual accomplishments, they are used to inflate national proudness and national is everything USA wants to eliminate in world except its own. I have researched how USA uses this kinda of technique to subjugate other countries. It does not sticky with me anymore, pal
Congrats for this awesome documentary! I´m proud to see and hear so dignifying and respectful statements about Alberto Santos Dumont, this video brings truth upon the endless discussions over who was the inventor of the flying machines, first: The dirigibles and shortly after: The plane!
It's funny that the WHOLE WORLD acknowledges the Wright brothers as the true inventors of controlled powered flight on December of 1903. EXCEPT the brain-washed residents of Brazil (due to authortarian propaganda). Dumont however did make meaningful contributions and 3 years after the Wright, he did get airborn (1906).
O 14-Bis, além de ser um avião, foi o primeiro avião da hist´poria da humanidade. Toda invenção começa como algo primitivo e vai melhorando com o passar do tempo. Assim foi com o 14-Bis que evolui para o Demoiselle. Assim foi com o primeiro celular do mundo que deveria pensar uns 10 quilos e que evoluiu para os celulares atuais.
Então compara com a cópia do centennial que demorou dezessete anos pra ficar pronta e provarem que não era um avião. Sabe os vôos dos wright entre 1903-1905? Nunca foram PROVADOS.
Switch to Portuguese Arguments are nothing in front of the evidence of the fact that the Brazilian Santos Dumont invented the first machine " plane " to take off and land alone . A pride for the nation Brazil
Exact! Completely agree with you. Talking about this subject is the same as we compare science and religion. We have a FACT about the 14-bis flight, and we have people who have faith on the Flyer flight. That is why this is an endless discussion :-)
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@MajorLeague Ok, ok, but now , bring a proof . Any airplane flight before 1906 goes to the same level of the supposed flights of Wright brothers. Rumors. There is no proof.
The 14 bis had independent system and not needed boost catapult ! Dumont built the most effective aircraft in fact, beyond this same system be used in modern aircraft (commercial, war, space ) . :D
Somos descendentes de portugueses , Dumont inventou o 14 biz que voava de ré , os americanos aperfeiçoaram e colocaram pra voar pra frente! olhe com atenção o inicio do vídeo o 14 biz indo de ré no tempo 1:33 !!
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***** Meu caro, você certamente está vivendo em seu mundinho mediocre e insano de racista inconformado com dor de cotovelo, provavelmente tem entre 3 ou 10 anos , não vale ficar discutindo com um cérebro ainda me formação com deficiência de neuronios ativos. Jamais adiantará entrar em conflito com uma mente distorcida e soberba, aconselho a você voltar aos livros e tentar construir uma pessoa melhor dentro desta casca vazia que é você hoje. Eu particularmente admiro e respeito a cultura americana , a música , os filmes mas pessoas com opiniões prepotentes arrogantes e racista como você são dignos de pena e paciência, não adianta nada argumentar contigo. Torço para que você amadureça rápido como homem e com ser humano se puder !!! Meus sinceros sentimentos, sem mais , fim...
Alberto Santos Dumont never existed. He's a mythical character in an imaginary tale fabricated to assuage the inadequate self image of a certain third world nation.
THE "COUNTRY WITHOUT NAME" (UNITED STATES) LIKE TO STEAL THE TECHNOLOGY OF OTHER NATIONS. AFTER THE END OF THE SECOND WAR, THE THIEVES OF THE COUNTRY WITHOUT NAME INVADED GERMANY AND STEALED THEIR TECHNOLOGY. THE COUNTRY WITHOUT NAME LIKE TO STEAL OIL AND TECHNOLOGY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. THE COUNTRY WITHOUT NAME HAS DEVELOPED ONLY BY CAUSE OF THESE THEFT.. I WANTED TO KNOW IF THE YANKE GARBAGE CAN PROVE THAT THE YANKE BROTHERS FLY BEFORE DUMONT SAINTS. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHY. I CAN TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH TODAY AND SAY THAT PHOTOGRAPHY DATE OF 2015. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DOCUMENT. I CAN MAKE A DOCUMENT AND PLACE IT ON THE DATE OF 2015. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WITNESSES WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE. THE YANKE BROTHERS COULD BE "FLYING" INTO A PIPE AND EVEN THE WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE WITNESSES COULD CONFUSE THAT WITH AN AIRCRAFT. AND WE DO NOT KNOW IF EVIDENCE WAS WITNESSES. ALL HISTORY OF WITNESSES, DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHY CAME FROM THE MOUTH OF THE YANKE BROTHERS. EVERYTHING WHAT YANKES ALL THE THIEVES OF THE COUNTRY WITHOUT NAME TALK DO NOT PASS FROM SPECULATIONS.. THERE ARE NO PROOFS. SANTOS DUMONT TOOK IN THE FRONT OF REPORTERS, AVIATION AND CIVIL SPECIALISTS IN GENERAL. IT WAS ALL SEEN AND DOCUMENTED BY ALL.
People want to discredit the wright brothers saying they needed a catapult but the 14bis did not. They completely ignore the fact that the wright brothers had a controllable aircraft that could fly for an extended time. The 14bis could barely get 10 feet off the ground and could hardly be flown in a straight line, never mind make a turn. We get it, you're jealous. Get over it though. The whole Wright brothers vs Dumont thing is ridiculous.
Even today, no light airplane could be kept in air without a engine with less than 25cc, Wright brothers had a 12.5cc engine. Such powerfull engine was developed with Santos Dumont help and a similar engine would make it possible for the Wright brother to really fly only after 1908
Presidential Proclamation No. 6858 made by President William J. Clinton on December 13, 1995: "Ninety-two years ago, Orville Wright manned the first sustained and controlled, machine-powered flight in an airplane he designed and built with his brother Wilbur. This extraordinary journey, though only 12 seconds long, was the first great achievement of a partnership that revolutionized aviation and made remarkable contributions to aerodynamics, mechanical engineering, and practical flight techniques. The Wright brothers' pioneering efforts remain enduring examples of American ingenuity and perseverance.Today, the United States aviation industry helps to drive our economy and provides business and recreational opportunities to our citizens that were unthinkable just a century ago. Our reliance on air transit grows each year, challenging the aviation community and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to meet new safety and operational demands.Our air transportation system, already the safest and most efficient in the world, continues to improve. In fact, efforts are underway to craft reforms that enhance the efficiency of the FAA so that America's leadership in air transportation, begun with the Wright brothers' historic flight on December 17, 1903, can continue well into the next century.The Congress, by a joint resolution approved December 17, 1963 (77 Stat. 402; 36 U.S.C. 169), has designated December 17 of each year as "Wright Brothers Day" and has authorized and requested the President to issue annually a proclamation inviting the people of the United States to observe that day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.Now, Therefore, I, William J. Clinton, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim December 17, 1995, as Wright Brothers Day.In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this thirteenth day of December, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and ninety-five, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twentieth."
@@Marcos5pb o problema é que o buch numa visita aqui em 2003, 04 ou 05 também reconheceu o mesmo. E o registro de Ernest Archdeacom para Dumont registra o PRIMEIRO RECORD DE AVIAÇÃO DO MUNDO!! não foi da Europa.
When Santos Dumont flew the 14 bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) The 1903 Flyer, Which Took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) in 59 seconds. 2) The 1904 Flyer, Which Took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet during the same flight. Aviation pioneer Octave Chanute Observed many of the Flyer's 2 flights. 3) The 1905 Flyer, Which Took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including circular several maneuvers. The Flyer was Also the world's first aircraft capable of carrying a passenger.
@@Nomamegooglefirstly, the first flight did not use catapults, but a skid. Secondly, the ones that used a catapult means nothing, cause the catapult was used at a time where landing gear was an unknown area. Thirdly, it didn't matter to the French when they gave the wright's credit.
Thanks to this child addicted to Jules Verne novels, who dreamt of cruising the sky, aeronautics has developed in such a way, that mankind has not only flown to every corner of the world, but in only 70 years has traveled as far as the moon. That is the reason why the International Astronomic Union has honored Dumont by naming one of the lunar craters with his name. Could the reader of From Earth to the Moon have ever imagined this?
Marcio Silveira Jules Gabriel Verne has nothing to do with Santos Dumont's Engineering and devotion to his own ideas, creations and inventions...all for his passion in flying and to be able to be up in the skies, flying. Craters? Please. We are talking about the man who dedicated his mind and life to fly. So, then...let's give a crater his name to cover deeds...but it is not that easy as they want it to be. But...there is not much to expect as there is nothing expected though as Santos Dumont IS and the others not.
Let's ask ourselves: Who contributed the most towards human flight 1. Birds, Orville, Wilbur, or Santos? Obviously human flight was an evolutionary process; and an international process too. The binary choice of "who was first to fly" just requires another question: "What is flight?" Answering that question (what is flight?) just means that your picking a point along an evolutionary line. It's arbitrary. There is no one time or technical invention that provides a boundary between "before flight" and "after flight". Picking such a point probably tells us more about what country your loyal to, and the kind of people you admire more than it tells us anything about the processes and techniques leading to human flight. Birds, Santos, Orville, Wilbur, and others overlap each other along the path to human flight. Who invented the computer? Who invented the electric guitar? These questions really try to answer the arbitrary question: Who gets the money?
Well said.. shame that as humans we need to keep milestones to interpret events, systems and pretty much anything.. we are always working with only the snapshots of reality so to speak.. I wonder if technology will liberate us from this curse.. or maybe the curse would be to hold every bit of information at the same time... we wouldn't be able to hold one thought and feeling at a time, we'd see it all.. Funny that the engine of our consciousness - our central nervous system - is always connected and yet the awareness that arises from it (us) can only hold one thought at a time. We were able to build information processing systems that sometimes can work in parallel, but each part is always holding one piece of information at a time. This is an element of a centralised architecture called Von Neumann architecture. The non-centralised approach, like our brain, is called non Von Neumann architecture and to my knowledge we suck at understanding it and aside from making babies I'm not even sure we ever produced such a machine. This leads to the question whether we are even able to think holistically in the first place. Maybe we emulate it only. If that is the case, then our fierce wish to choose milestones in order to understand the history of flight is very much understandable.
I'm giving the award to mother nature. Mother nature invented flight, and mankind has been trying to copy her ever since in every way. Watch some videos of "flying fish" and be amazed at what evolution can do.
He didn't say anything, kid, the video has photos, footage and there's the official record for Dumont. As for the wrights, so far the Americans haven't been able to effectively prove anything,
In 1905, the Aero Club of America officially certified the Wright Brothers as having flown in 1903. The Great Medal of the Aéro-Clubde France was awarded to the Wright Brothers in 1908 for inventing the first practical powered airplane. L'Aerophile editor Georges Besançon wrote that the flights "have completely dissipated all doubts. Not one of the former detractors of the Wrights dare question, today, the previous experiments of the men who were truly the first to fly...."
+Jindle Spog Maybe the first to fly, but very far from being as inventive and well intentioned as Santos. He did not seek a commercial patent, but shared his dream hoping for a better world, and unfortunately this was his downfall. That said, he does not get the recognition that he deserves.
@@pedrod6344 Alberto Santos Dumont never existed. He's a mythical character in an imaginary tale fabricated to assuage the inadequate self image of a certain third world nation.
@@dicassete8289 Alberto Santos Dumont never existed. He's a mythical character in an imaginary tale fabricated to assuage the inadequate self image of a certain third world nation.
When aviation pioneer Louis Bleriot saw the Wright brothers fly, Bleriot said, "We are beaten! We are nothing!" Even Santos Dumont conceded the Wright Brothers' effortless maneuvering and long flights surpassed Dumont's efforts. Admitting defeat, Santos Dumont admitted his aircraft, the 14a, never Achieved more than a minute in the air. On the other hand, the Wright Flyer 3's longest flight lasted more than two hours. Consequently, the Wrights Became the new celebrities of the air, admired by Thousands who gazed in awe at Their momentous achievement.
The exaggerated North American nationalism makes you forget everything that was seen in the documentary and reduce it to nothing. As if it never happened. This type of impermeability prevents any kind of fair analysis, given that this comment only rejects the opinions of the comments and the video itself. Which I doubt was watched to the end by you sir.
@@silviocrespo4329north american nationalism? As opposed to the Brazilian nationalism that leads them to claim that their guy was the first to fly? You know that even the US government tried to take credit away from the Wright Brothers, right?
@@nukclear2741 It's not Brazilian nationalism wanting to be "our guy", it turns out that what Americans claim has no scientific proof. Those flights of 1903, 1904 and 1905. For us, the first heavier-than-air flight is science. And where is the scientific proof of this???? In this case it's just because the Americans want them to be "their guys", that's why they "buried" and to this day they discredit Santos Dumont, and believe me, he was huge! P.S.: Everything Dummont did is proven and documented with dates in an impeccable way, unlike the Wrights, which is just fallacy, right?
@@silviocrespo4329 "North American nationalism makes you forget..." Wasn't the documentary produced by Americans? It was broadcast as a PBS NOVA production in the US and probably supplied free to others. What specific opinions in the video to you think that jindlespog8045 ignores or doesn't accept? He just states that the under-powered Wright Flyer III flew laps around the cow pasture at Huffman Prairie for 2 hours in 1905. How does this "...prevent any kind of fair analysis:"? There was no claim that the Wrights were the "first to fly" He might believe that the Wrights were the first to fly a practical heavier than air machine with 3 axis control. REF Invited to comment: @nukclear2741
jindlespog does not provide a URL. So this might be a recollection not an accurate quote. Santos Dumont set a record the required by flying 50 m by flying 200 m in about 3 min. The exact starting line and landing point could only be approximated. Alberto would not say his longest flight never lasted more than a minute. According to Jindle, "The 1905 Wright Flyer III's longest flight lasted more than 2 hours." The documentation for this claim is available. If anyone comments, I will provide the URL. I don't have a source for Alberto's quote where he "admitted defeat."
A true pioneer to be sure, but NOT "the real inventor, and pilot of the first airplane to fly on the sky in the world." He didn't even understand how a propellor works, based on his inefficient designs. He was still stuck with the belief that it worked like a paddle and apparently failed to understand it was actually a lifting surface, which was one of the Wright's lesser-known discoveries. Good film, however.
Rusty Barnett This is not a film, but the truth in a documentary made from documents, journals, newspapers, photos, videos testifying who really are. Sorry if the truth disappointed over a making believe for gain, fame, and fortune over others's true talent as Santos Dumont, but... he, Dumont, is the true one in Aviation History.
Rusty Barnett English military engineer and mathematician Benjamin Robins (1707-1751) invented a whirling arm apparatus to determine drag and did some of the first experiments in aviation theory, wind tunnel started. Octave Chanute was the real engineer mentor for the brothers. The brothers were very skillfull in gliders and wind was everything for them. Controls with wing warping was a joke, like ride their bikes, sueing every europeans pioneer. Don´t give us " Good Film However" you were brainwashed from childhood.
Experiments are open for anyone...But Santos validated his experiments in public...flying as nobody else could do what he did. The brothers are not the real thing, sorry for your disappointment. They went to Paris, yes, but to get what they did not have or know...Santos ability to fly. Santos Dumont IS the real thing. Santos Dumont Is the father of aviation. and this is a fact and the truth. and does not need your acceptance.
Another fact: Santos Dumont's father was also an Engineer/Mathematician graduated in Europe. Santos Dumont was a bright individual, Engineer, Mathematician, Inventor, Artist, Entrepreneur, with an open mind to not just create the idea, but to make his own ideas practical, working, and real. Let's go a little further: Santos as a practical man, needed a watch that was at hand, without the need to take it from the pocket to use it while flying. Louis Cartier then, produced the first wristwatch called "Santos" in name of their friendship. And...The Arial Dinner by Santos at the Cafe de Paris with tables elevated to 7 feet high to experience dinning in the sky. .. just to illustrate who really IS!
This world are full of the Brothers and others, everywhere, waiting for someone's ideas to copy and take advantage. These kind of individuals are empty and hollow, cowards, without any gift, or inspiration. The only thing this kind of individuals have in their minds are how to show themselves as someone (which they are not) and make profits using others' real thing as so speaking. Pathetic indeed. The truth IS Alberto Santos Dumont, the real thing!
On October 5, 1905, the Dayton County Journal reported Wilber Wright flew twenty-four miles in thirty-eight minutes in one flight, landing only when his fuel ran out. This was the longest flight flight yet, longer than all 160 of the Wrights' previous flights over the last three years. More than a dozen witnesses were present during this record-breaking flight.
But, is there any film, photo, the newspaper cited (Dayton County Journal) or any oficial document fom any authority to confirm these "witnesses"? Did they still use catapults?
Wrights had to use catapults because they weren't taking off on the Bonneville salt flats. They were usually taking off from lumpy grassy fields or sand dunes. If they had big pockets full of cash I guess they could have had nice smooth runways built everywhere they flew.
@@Marcos5pb the rights only ever used a catapult for the glider soon as they put the motor on it was never used again the first flight in 1903 happened because it was a very cold and very high pressure day which compared to the standard aviation day, it was like being 4000 feet below sea level so it flew that day but it wouldn’t have flown two days later or two days before but it did fly and yes there are witnesses. Regardless, the rights are the ones in 1908 were the first to have a functional airplane. They could turn to loops land where they wanted to take off again, they were the inventors
@@mcamp9445 Your information is not entirely correct, as the wrigths did use a catapult, even in Europe and many flights with witnesses, there is no official record or photo after 1903. In fact, the centenary of the Flyer's flight in 2003 was, literally, a disaster, proving that without a catapult the 1903 version, considered the first flight, was not really a flight, but a glide with an engine! Furthermore, in 1908, Santos Dumont was already flying like the Flyer with his "Demoiselle", which he continued to improve until the next year and then start selling his designs without patents so that everyone could produce them!
The Aero Club de France were well informed about the Wrights beginning in 1900 when Wilbur Wright began corresponding with founding member Octave Chanute. Impressed with the Wrights' progress, Chanute traveled to the United States to visit them at Kitty Hawk in 1901, 1902, and at Dayton, Ohio in 1903. After his 1903 visit, Octave Chanute delivered a lecture to the Aero Club de France in which he described the Wrights' experiments with gliders and their plans to fly a powered aircraft. Present at Octave Chanute's 1903 lecture was a French artillery captain named Ferdinand Ferber who likewise traveled to the United States and visited the Wrights at Huffman Prairie in Dayton, Ohio. After meeting the Wrights, Ferdinand Ferber declared himself a "disciple of Wright" and in 1904 built a copy of a Wright-style glider, describing it as a "type du Wright." Relying on information gained during these and other visits to the Wrights, the December 1905 and January 1906 editions of L'Aerophile (the official journal of the Aero Club de France) confirmed the Wrights' successful flight of a powered heavier-than-air airplane. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everything was on paper. hahahahaha. Archdeacon summoned the wrights in 1904 to prove their ability to fly. They never did anything or proved anything. Flight on paper until I invent.
Voo planado, os Wright só apareceram mesmo em 1908, com provas inconsistentes sobre seus vôos anteriores a este na França em 1908. Mas conseguiram a patente a qual estavam desesperados. Portanto, nacionalismo não pode cobrir os fatos.
Wright brothers: *small business owners from some backwater build an airplane model whose schematics and concepts are still being used today Santos Dumont: *rich guy makes flying box Brazilians: hE iNveNTed aiRpLANe
Santos Dumont was a genious of aviation for his time. This Brazilian inventor, is also remembering for wearing the first watch for men ( before only the royality and soldiers would wear a WATCH!)
If the military brass wore wrist watches, then Santos Dumont was not the first. You can say that Santos made the wrist watch stylish. He was a style leader in Paris and what he wore was copied by other wealthy young men.
Oh well, the modern airplane looks EXACTLY like Demoiselle. With 12hp, no airplane could be kept in air for longer than a paper airplane...Do your homework before talking about what you don't know, dude.
There is a transcript of Wings of Madness" I have not seen one for Brown's biased documentary. SB: What information could the wrights' have received from the alleged meeting with Whitehead that would aid them to complete their flyer? They were already aware of Lilienthal's work. 1st flight: 120 ft in 12 sec. 4th flight: 852 ft. (almost 300 yds.) ft. in close to 1 min. flight. How much can we trust the Wright Brothers' photographs? Any flight shorter than 300 ft. would be "just a hop". It only had to convince them that the design worked. Brown made an unsupported claim that Orville said the 1908 photo was a photo of the 1903 flight. Evidence for this claim iBs very important since it would suggest that Orville may have lied. The photo is of a 1908 flight with 2 passengers and an upright 4 engine. Brown provided no evidence that Orville claimed the photo was of the 1903 flight. This is important. SB: I think It was from a 1908 flight. There is a slight problem because the Wrights said that their practice flight was in a modified Wright Flyer III that had been converted to a 2 passenger plane. This could be true if they also added a Wright-Taylor upright 4 engine. No one has had any success flying an exact replica of the 1903 Wright flyer over 120 ft. They spent a million US$ duplicating the 1903 Wright Flyer I using tools and materials available to the Wright Brother. They were not successful in duplicating the 17Nov1903 flight conditions. There were at least two successful test flights of an exact replica but the strongest wind was only 15 mph, not over 21. On December 17, 1903, the Wright Brothers made four flights, with the first lasting 12 seconds and covering 120 feet, the second around 12 seconds and 175 feet, the third around 15 seconds and 200 feet, and the longest, fourth flight lasting 59 seconds and covering 852 feet. REF: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Flyer en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers
The Wright's were focused on getting a big contract from the Army. I don't think they even imagined that a newspaper or rich aero-enthusiasts would offer sizable prizes for aeronautical achievement. To get rich, they thought they needed a significant patent. They applied in 1904 and received it in 1906. They also miscalculated on how quick the French would advance. They thought they had a five year head start. By 1903, aero enthusiasts were aware of the Wright's claims. One tried to build a Wright Flyer from the pictures and sketchy information they had available. When it didn' t fly, they started to doubt the claims. The "Wrong Brothers" was used in an early documentary of failed attempts to build a flying machine. The Wright's were the Right Brothers.
So in your delusional mind an aircraft that can barely get 10 feet off the ground and can't make a controlled turn is somehow better than one that can be controlled and stay in the air for an extended period? It's so stupid. Go away with your bullshit feel good stories.
30:40 she is so brave, I will never let something hurt my daughter in an uncertain machine! I huge respect to her and her daddy, since she is modern girl who see most advance jet in the sky, yet she has to deal with fact that she has to fly the damn thing to the opposite direction
The 14 bis looks as though it was built back to front but we still build canards. Their advantage is that on take off applying rotate contro;l inputs lift the nose and helps to lighten the load on the main gear whereas a conventional tailplane lifts the tail and puts more weight on it.
1) I honestly don’t understand who came up with the idea to put Santos Dumont with a french accent in this otherwise excellent documentary. The man was full fledged brazilian, born and raised. If he has an accent speaking English, It would have been from brazilian portuguese. 2) It is absurd to learn all this and think the Write Brother were the inventors of Flight. It’s time to re-write history, with apologies to my fellow americans. The WBs were benefiaries of SD work. I disagree with the “Showman” statement of this documentary SD was generous man who wanted the whole world to benefit from his knowledge, as opposed to the WB who “supposedly” and allegedly have flown a catapulted contraption off of a dune with barely any witnesses, feat that is impossible to replicate with their first design, unlike SD 14-bis, which, inspite of its clumsiness, can be flown with identical replicas today. 3) It is an unquestionable fact that SD invented the dirigible. It is also an unquestionable fact tha he was the first man to fly a heavier than air machine, according to the international rules at the time (agreed upon even by the US) that flight had to be SELF PROPELLED, from FLAT GROUND, which neither one can be said about the Write flyer. 3) The Demoiselle, SD second craft is unquestionably the grandfather of all modern aircraft, not the Write Flyer. That is a fact I dare anyone to disput from an engineer stand point. In conclusion, anyone can argue abou who invented the airplane, but there is no doubt in my mind as to who should be considered the father of aviation. Alberto Santos Dumont is “ O Pai da Aviação”. It’s about time he is brought back to his rightful place in history.
Fabio Mendonça -- _”I honestly don’t understand who came up with the idea to put Santos Dumont with a french accent…”_ I agree that it’s very silly. _”It’s time to re-write history…”_ Friend, the phrase _re-write history_ means to obfuscate or distort history. History itself is immutable. I think you mean to re-write the history books, or otherwise revise the way that history is taught. _”…allegedly have flown a catapulted contraption off of a dune…”_ The earliest Wright flights (1903) did not use a catapult. _”…unlike SD 14-bis, which, inspite of its clumsiness, can be flown with identical replicas today.”_ None of the flying 14bis replicas are identical to the original, nor near to it. The closest to authenticity is the admirable Calassa version, but even it has many upgraded features including a modern Rotax engine, and a modern propeller whose lineage itself connects back the pioneering work of the Wrights. _”…he was the first man to fly a heavier than air machine, according to the international rules at the time (agreed upon even by the US) that flight had to be SELF PROPELLED, from FLAT GROUND, which neither one can be said about the Write flyer.”_ To begin with, any recognition by an oversight body is fundamentally an _official_ one, which does not necessarily equate to primacy. It is well understood in athletics, science and many other fields, that legitimate achievements can occur before _official_ recognition comes. Second, to argue for the legitimacy of official recognition, one has to argue for the authority of the source. Can you make the case that the _Federation Aéronautique Internationale (FAI)_ was the exclusive authority for all accomplishments, in all parts of the Earth, for all time…or must you acknowledge that this was an arbitrary claim to authority? Lastly, you are mistaken about the 1903 Wright Flyer, because it was self-propelled and took off from level ground. I encourage you to research the facts of this machine and, for that matter, the 14bis too. _”The Demoiselle, SD second craft is unquestionably the grandfather of all modern aircraft, not the Write Flyer.”_ Friend, no subjective opinion is un-questionable. The claim that (2+2=4) is unquestionable, but metaphors such as “grandfather” aren’t. _”That is a fact I dare anyone to disput from an engineer stand point.”_ No engineering needed. I just corrected you from a logical and semantic standpoint. _”It’s about time he is brought back to his rightful place in history.”_ _“Rightful…”_ I don’t criticize your strong sentiment regarding this topic, but I don’t share it either. It’s of no importance to me who did what first, it only matters what the technical accomplishments were, and both Santos Dumont and the Wrights were great contributors to the advancement of flight. I’ve made comments here only from an interest in clarity, and in defending the Wrights and their endeavors against mischaracterizations-such as those you’ve made. I do the same for Santos Dumont when people unfairly attack his achievements.
Even today, no light airplane could be kept in air without a engine with less than 25hp, Wright brothers had a 12.5hp engine. Such powerfull engine was developed in France with Santos Dumont help and a similar engine would make it possible for the Wright brother to really fly only after 1908.
Judging the sufficiency of the Wright's engine requires a calculation that assimilates factors such as horsepower, torque, gearing, propeller efficiency, coefficients of lift and drag, and others. If you haven't performed any such calculation, then you're only guessing about it's ability to produce the thrust needed by the Flyer. Moreover, the Wrights' flights of 1908 were not powered by a French engine partially designed by Santos-Dumont.
@FernandoACalzzaniJunior wrote: "no light airplane could be kept in air without a engine with less than 25hp, Wright brothers had a 12.5hp engine" SB: How do you account for the fact that the Wright Flyer III with its 8-16 hp. flat four engine flew over 50 miles in front of an invited crowd of 30 in 1905? They did not comply with the 1905 French FAI rules for aviation records. But there is plenty of historical records of the flight. The Wrights did not allow newspapers to publish their photographs so the newspaper articles do not include photos. Capt. Ferber was given the names of 30 witnesses when he visited Dayton in 1905 and he interviewed many of them. He then published 2 articles in the French aviation magazine . . . and tried to convince fellow members of the French Aero-club that the Wright claims were true. REF: The 1902 Wright Glider - photo of 4 axis control. ". . . 256 have flown the Wright glider" PBS 2019. I thought the number would be higher in 2019 since anyone can fly a replica of the Wright glider at Kitty Hawk for a fee in 2024. The tether is attached but not used unless the inexperienced pilot loses control. Critic Brown commented " no photographic evidence of flight in 1903." The photo was not released to the press until 1908. Why would this photograph seen by millions not count as photographic evidence? Another critic said he had never seen a photograph of the 1902 glider flying with 3 axis control. There is a photograph at 1:53 on this video th-cam.com/video/JNf33QMHTm0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/JNf33QMHTm0/w-d-xo.html 1:53 in the 7 min. video.
@@stevebett4947 History already showed us WHO is constantly forcing everybody else to believe in things that are not actually true through marketing to gatter INFLUENCE... You believe what you want, dude.
The Wright Flyer (often retrospectively referred to as Flyer I and occasionally Kitty Hawk) was the first powered aircraft designed and built by the Wright brothers. The Wright Flyer's first flight on December 17, 1903 at Kitty Hawk is recognized by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale, the standard setting and record-keeping body for aeronautics and astronautics, as "the first sustained and controlled heavier-than-air powered flight". Fact.
After a single statement to the press in January 1904 and a failed public demonstration in May, the Wright Brothers did not publicize their efforts, and other aviators who were working on the problem of flight (notably Alberto Santos-Dumont) were thought by the press to have preceded them by many years. Indeed, several short heavier-than-air powered flights had been made by other aviators before 1903, leading to controversy about precedence (see Early flying machines). The Wrights, however, claimed to be the first of these which was "properly controlled." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Flyer#The_influence_of_the_Flyer Controlled yes definitely, but for sure not the first ones to publicly fly without a catapult
While Santos-Dumont claimed that he did not borrow anything from Lawrence Hargrave, the inventor of the box kite with a cambered control surface, the builder of Alberto's prototype readily admitted his debt to Hargrave. The plane had v-shaped box kite wings to maximize lift and stability. I had ailerons and a front rudder but they may not have been functional. In the photographs and films, the ailerons appear to be fluttering and the front rudder locked in its maximum position. The look-alike replica created and flown by Alan Calassa certainly had 3-axis control. Some of the small models could demonstrate 3-axis control in no-wind conditions. It original BIS-14 was not a practical flying machine but it was certainly a rigid wing craft consistent with the D-Archdeacon contest rules. REF: PBS NOVA program Wings of madness: Transcript: www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3316_santos.html Santos Dumont Program: th-cam.com/video/3NWFFSx5lSE/w-d-xo.html Orville@wright-brothers.org April 28 2019 wright-brothers.org/History_Wing/History_of_the_Airplane/Who_Was_First/Santos_Dumont/Santos_Dumont.htm Builders of the BIS-14 air-frame and engine. Both were made according to Alberto's specs. The V-8 aero-engine was built by Lavavasseur and the wheeled airframe was built by ... and based on his flying boat glider. Invited to comment:
Fake. The only way it flies is with a modern Rotax aero engine and a modern propeller. The 1906 footage from Bagatelle Field shows the 14-bis making an uncontrolled hop.
3 exact replicas of the Wright's replica were made. At least one backup was needed in the case the first crashed in test flights at KittyHawk. Two successful 400+ ft. test flights were completed about 30 days before December 17, 2013 at 10am. On those days there was a good 20+ mph headwind. The weather on the Centennial date lacked the required headwinds. The pilot, Kevin Kochersberger, can be heard to say in the video, "I couldn't get the wind" Without a headwind, the original flyer cannot achieve lift-off in 60 ft. I think I would have built a 200 ft. track. I wonder if that would have worked with only a 12 hp engine. Without a 10 mph + headwind, the required 30 mph across the airfoil would have to be generated by the engine alone.
@@liam5075 I have never seen the Wright glider fly without tethers on the wings and people running along side with ropes, the reason it needs those ropes is because it is a BOX KITE not an Aeroplane, the ropes are providing the stability on the vertical axis.
@@liam5075 Boy, they've been making replicas of the flyers since 1909 and in their original condition they don't fly. It's over, kid, the flyers weren't planes. Or don't you know shit doesn't fly?
Not true. The Wright flyer powered flight of Dec. 1903 was documented by independent journalists. They took photographs. Saw it with their own eyes. Unless, of course you are saying that they were liars.
I wonder where the myth that the Wright brothers needed a catapult started. In fact, their first flight in 1903 was with the planes own power, no catapult.
I think myths like that, as well as those regarding other competing aviation pioneers, originate with people seeking to validate a preferred assumption, rather than simply follow evidence to a conclusion. Many people who don’t want the Wrights to have been first, latch onto notions like the catapult-myth and then turn away from any contrary evidence. Frankly, I think a technical topic like this gets muddied mainly because of the nationalistic bias of some Americans, Brazilians, New Zealanders, Indians, and others. Support for native sons is seemingly always disproportionate.
@@cardinalRGExistem fotos do primeiro "voo" com a catapulta, depois, kit hawk naquela época, tinha dunas e por isso, o flyer planou e não voou. Por isso, não conseguiram repetir o feito em 2003, no centenário de voo do mesmo flyer e foi um tremendo fiasco! Porque? Não tinha mais dunas em kit hawk e também, esqueceram a catapulta, simples!
There was no catapult. It does not appear in any of their photographs of their camp. A glider would not have traveled 850 ft forward against that wind in 59 seconds, as Wilbur did on the fourth and final flight. Nobody flew before the Wrights because the Wrights had one thing over everybody else- their propellers. They were the first to design an airfoil shape to their propeller blades, resulting in a much more efficient and effective propulsion system. Santos-Dumont did not fly until he had designed a propeller based on the Wright Brothers' design, which he learned about through Octave Chanute, who did not keep what he knew about the Wrights' designs secret.
@@rescue270 Colonized! Read Aloud The New York Times, December 17, 1951. Page 30 WRIGHT TRIBUTE TODAY Airmen to Mark Anniversary of Kitty Hawk Flight KITTY HAWK. N.C, Dec.16 (U P) - Modern airmen will pay tribute here tomorrow to the forty-eighth anniversary of the Wright Brothers' pioneering airplane flight, but an old-timer who watched the first take-offs said the celebrators have picked the wrong day. Wilbur and Orville Wright are credited with making their first powered flight in a heavier-than-air machine on Dec. 17, 1903. But Alpheus W. Drinkwater, 76 years old, who sent the telegraph message ushering in the air age, said the brothers only "glided" off Kill Devil Hill that day. Their first real flight came on May 6, 1908, he said. It was on that day, that Wilbur Wright declared the airplane was a mighty fine contraption, but predicted it would never carry enough gasoline to span an ocean. Regardless of his quibble with aeronautics historians; Mr. Drinkwater will be on hand for the celebration tomorrow. The first flight will be marked by flights of jet planes, helicopters and huge cargo planes. www.nytimes.com/1951/12/17/archives/wright-tribute-today-airmen-to-mark-anniversary-of-kitty-hawk.html
WOW, he had to fight over FORTY SECONDS DELAY in a pioneering areal accomplishment?? He deserves a lot of credit just for that! But the 14 Bis aircraft is what truly made Alberto Santos Dumont a true aviator pioneer. Now, that he was supposedly gay, that’s the first time I heard of it...not sure if I can trust such thing, which is pure speculation. It’s not farfetched to think of a pioneer aerospace engineer, a natural born Brazilian with wealthy background, being flamboyant while trying to preserve his privacy, keeping his personal life to himself. To begin with, it’s pretty clear that such pioneers were looked upon as “nutty” people trying to achieve “the impossible”.
Somos descendentes de portugueses , Dumont inventou o 14 biz que voava de ré , os americanos aperfeiçoaram e colocaram pra voar pra frente! olhe com atenção o inicio do vídeo o 14 biz indo de ré no tempo 1:33 !!
Não falei como crítica e sim com humor (óbvio que estou tirando um sarro mas precisamos ter em mente que em nosso país , pessoas como Dumont não pode existir , os canalhas logo tratam de eliminar ou deturpar suas conquistas ao invés de incentivar e financiar!!) lógico tenho um orgulho imenso de saber que o Dumont era brazuca!!! , convidei pra olhar o vídeo e disse que somos todos descendentes de portuguese, uns mais outros menos mas somos porque foram eles que descobriram essa bagaça, quem for de outra árvore genealógica paciência, e a moral da piada está correta é só olhar o formato do 14 bis e ver que ele é ao contrario dos aviões como conhecemos , asas maiores à frente e menores à trás concorda??
Não disse nada com nada. A configuração do 14 chamava-se canard, tinha aquela parte para frente, pois aquilo corta o ar, era pura AERODINÂMICA, e lá na frente, em um compartimento pequeno, quadrado, Dumont colocou o leme de direção. Aquilo é AERODINÂMICA!!!
He didn’t fly an airplane before the write brothers. They flew yrs before him as far as an airplane flight goes. If my recollection is correct santos did attempt an airplane flight about a yr after the write brothers flew but he did not complete the the flight successfully as his plane crashed voiding the requisite conditions to qualify as a flight
When Santos Dumont attempted to fly the 14-bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) the 1903 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) in 59 seconds, 2) the 1904 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet during the same flight. Aviation pioneer Octave Chanute Observed many of the Flyer's 2 flights, and 3) the 1905 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including circular several maneuvers. The Flyer was Also the world's first aircraft capable of carrying a passenger. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
All this without official evidence, films, photos, without technical advice and without hundreds of witnesses. It's sad, I mean the idiots never did anything!!!!
@@paulyouth8342 There were witnesses, we have their journals in which technical details are presented. My question then is: why are you lying? EDIT: Don't bother with an answer, I already see the rest of your trolling here. What a waste of time you are.
@@przemog88 Are you talking about several newspapers dated between 1903-1905 with the report of the flight and pictures of the flight???😂😂😂😂 forget it, boy!! this never happened, The físic sciense proofs WB did not fly!! The nada did proofs in 2003, "THE FLYER DOES NOT FLY". And the witnesses and scribbled sheets of paper for them It are not complete tests like the presentation of the machine in front of specialists. I'm waiting for a link to the report dated between 1903-1905 with photos of the flight related in newspaper. thanks
@@paulyouth8342 Moreover, there is no evidence for Dumont flying even in 1906. Power leaps are not flying. You can lie about that too if you want, I don't care anymore.
This is because the Wright brothers, in fact, were the first to take flight (1903). But in order to do it, they needed the help of a catapult, and their machine was actually a glider with a motor and not an airplane. Therefore they did not really fly. If we were to consider that being catapulted through the air is flying. The Wright brothers did not fly without external help until 1909, that is 3 years after Santos Dumont had already made his first self-propelled flight in front of many Parisian witnesses and journalists.
Marcio Silveira In fact, the Brothers did not really fly. Many others as in Germany, Italy and even Greece tried with or without propulsion, catapults, or body motion...but it was all experiments, not the real thing. I am surprised as you are of Brazilians and still have no understanding about the truth. An "in fact" cannot be denied, which you did in your third phrase..."Therefore they did not "really" fly".
Experiments are hypothesis. Santos work was always from one point to another developing his own ideas, always, and he validated it, which the brothers did not.
The Wright Brothers are fakes, Santos Dumont is really invented the airplane. According to the established rules of self-propelled how the real aircraft. The Wright brothers invented the glider, yet the evidence, including witnesses are doubtful, and his Flyers prototypes never flew. The Santos Dumont always flies.The Wright brothers were never able to fly in front of that avalizavam patents, so only managed to patent the glider. Only managed to fly to the public in 1908, using the engine equal to the Santos Dumont, ie after making notes when analyzing the airplane Santos Dumont.
bingola45 You're right, I do not delved on gliders, but we know that the brothers Wright used a glider launched by catapults, this is definitely not a plane.
This is because the Wright brothers, in fact, were the first to take flight (1903). But in order to do it, they needed the help of a catapult, and their machine was actually a glider with a motor and not an airplane. Therefore they did not really fly. If we were to consider that being catapulted through the air is flying. The Wright brothers did not fly without external help until 1909, that is 3 years after Santos Dumont had already made his first self-propelled flight in front of many Parisian witnesses and journalists. The 14 bis had independent system and not needed boost catapult ! Dumont built the most effective aircraft in fact, beyond this same system be used in modern aircraft (commercial, war, space ) . :D
So you're telling me that the photograph taken by a newspaper photographer in Dec. 1903 is a fake? The Wright flyer plainly took off under its own power and flew for 175 feet. Not a glider.
GoisBR The launch catapult was not devised until after the machine had first flown. The Wright's first flights were made without it. Santos-Dumont's machine was of much better design than the Wright's, which is to be expected. He had much more flying experience, and had already won a major aviation prize in Paris. However, his machine came later than the Wright's. By the time that Santos-Dumont had successfully turned his attention to heavier-than-air machines, Orville and Wilbur had made a number of controlled, sustainable flights at Kill Devil Hills, firstly from rest, and latterly using the launch catapult. These flights represent an aviation 'first'.
Here's a partial list of aircraft that used the Wright Brothers' wing-warping system: Antoinette VII, 1909, won altitude prize at Reims. Bleriot, 1909 cross channel, 1910 winner of 500 mile Circuit de l’Est, 1910 winner Gordon Bennett Trophy, 1910 first crossing of Alps; 1911 winner of Paris-Rome race and Daily Mail Circuit of Britain; 1913 Pegoud aerobatic shows. Bellanca CD, 1916, first in the Bellanca line. Blackburn Mercury, D and E monoplanes, 1911 to 1912. Caudron G.III and G.IV, WWI reconnaissance, bombing, training. Deperdussin, 1912 and 1913, Gordon Bennett Trophy, 124 mph world record in 1913; float plane type won first Schneider Trophy race in 1913. Fokker Eindecker, 1915, first machine gun synchronized with prop, “Fokker Scourge”. Morane-Borel, 1911 winner of Paris to Madrid race. Morane-Saulnier G, 1913 Roland Garros first across Mediterranean 7 hrs 53 min non-stop. Morane-Saulnier L, first air-to-air Zeppelin destruction; first firing through prop arc. Nieuport II, 1911, won Gordon Bennett Trophy and world speed record with a 30 hp two cylinder engine. Nieuport IV, 1913 first loop, Pytor Nestorev in Russia; 2500 km flight around the North Sea; flights from Paris to Cairo. Nieuport VI, WWI, served France, Italy, Japan, Russia as landplanes and seaplanes. R.E.P. 1908, first joystick and rudder cockpit controls (which won the patent dispute). R.E.P. Type N, WWI reconnaissance. Royal Aircraft Factory B.E.2a, 1913, 650 non-stop flight to win Britannia Trophy; WWI reconnaissance. Sopwith Tabloid, 1914 Schneider Trophy winner, 95 mph world seaplane record; 1914 first bombing raid on German soil resulting in first Zeppelin destruction on ground. Santos-Dumont ‘Demoiselle’ 1909. Taubes (Etrich, Rumpler, etc.) WWI reconnaissance.
Wing warping sistem. Eduard Gallaudet in 1897 New York, usa, tests. And similar sistem octave channut patent 1897, usa trade marks for one motorized glider.
Deimoselle was made in 1907, you can research how Santos Dummont used the same thing if the Wrights only appeared in 1908???? Do not proceed with your information.
The truth IS Alberto Santos Dumont, the real thing! This world are full of the Brothers and others, everywhere, waiting for someone's ideas to copy, use and take advantage. These kind of individuals are empty and hollow, cowards, without any gift, or inspiration. The only thing this kind of individuals have in their minds are how to show themselves as someone (which they are not) and make profits using others' real thing as so speaking. Pathetic indeed. The truth IS Alberto Santos Dumont, the real thing!
itis4peace What about the Smeaton Coefficient? Did Dumont use Lilienthal's inaccurate formulation of the Smeaton Coefficient? Or did he appropriate the Wright brothers' research regarding the Smeaton Coefficient? If Dumont appropriated the Wrights' research, then Dumont is clearly guilty of intellectual theft.
Alberto Santos Dumont never existed. He's a mythical character in an imaginary tale fabricated to assuage the inadequate self image of a certain third world nation.
Great video. Pity the commentary is intermittently in the present tense. Really annoying to me as it was a long time in the past. Of course it gets mixed up with past tense at lot. Make up your mind, past tense, present tense. Is it now or 1903-10? Historians should know.
Santos-Dumont flew 722 ft in an uncontrolled plane and crash landed and the Wright Brothers flew for 24 miles with complete control and landed safely a full year earlier. The Wright Brothers are the godfathers of Aviation.
@@cardinalrg5114 please pay attention to the Americans experts for a estate tv talking about Santos Dumont it can not be unbiased than that and NASA given a name to a creator on the moon not to the white brothers so I hope it’s make sense
The 1906 Bagatelle Field film proves the original 14bis can't fly. The 1906 film just shows a short uncontrolled hop. That's why the modern replica of the 14bis needs a modern engine, a modern propeller, and modern technology to make it fly due to faults in the original design. Dumont was a complete fake.
+Ariana Wolkerstorfer Believe me, so listening to this already and gratifying message, many of our inventions as the typewriter or the radio never led credits, mainly from Santos Dumont, who killed himself to discover that his inventions: Airships and Planes were being used for war .
Not a short flight. the Wright's first flight of the day broke four records, wining several prises. They flew seven kilometres, doing a figure eight and rising to a record altitude, wining several prises.
When Santos Dumont flew the 14 bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) the 1903 Flyer, which took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) while remaining in the air 59 seconds; 2) the 1904 Flyer which also took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet; and 3) the 1905 Flyer which also took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including several circular maneuvers. On the other hand, Santos Dumont's 14-bis was uncontrollable and was only capable of flying short distances in a straight line.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ok, prove everything you are saying with photos and data from that time. Where are the official records, confirmed and approved by American scientific institutions of the time? You don't want us to believe it just because you say so, do you? Then, your information about Santos Dumont's achievements is flawed, you are distorting the facts!
So, explain the fiasco of the centenary celebrations in 2003, without using the cliché excuses of weather conditions, which everyone uses, because those who depend on it are gliders. And this is not the only 1903 replica that didn't fly, 3 others didn't fly either! As for the flights on other dates, there is no proof, just information sent by telegram to the newspaper by the wrigths themselves, something very suspicious!😚🤔🤨
Sorry Marcio, but the 14bis was not the first airplane to fly in 1906. The Wright brothers have that honor, on December 17, 1903. Santo-Dumont's earlier flying machines were dirigible ballons, not airplanes. 14bis was in many ways more properly classified as an aviation "experiment" rather than a true airplane capable of controlled flight. Even an experienced pilot crashed the reproduction that used to fly at Brazialiam airshows in just the smallest crosswind. One can say this and still admire Santos-Dumont as an inventor and daredevil. Santos-Dumont eventually designed the Damoiselle, an airplane far superior to anything the Wrights ever made. The great significance of Santos-Dumont was his willingness to discard ideas and adopt radically new ones from his failures.
?????? Nothing in your brain, idiot. The Ernest Archdeacon Record, signed in 1906 declare this concept. THE ARCHDEACON DECLARATION FOR DUMONT, " FIRST MUNDIAL RECORD OF AVIATION ".
I don't know what Brazilian propaganda you have been listening to, but the Wrights documented everything they did very carefully from 1903 and on, including witness accounts, plans, photos and motion pictures. All of this was examined very thoroughly by the US Patent Office, every official aeronautical society and the US Court system in the lawsuit againt Glenn Curtiss.
@@altbob The authorities of the United States analyzed the alleged evidence of the supposed first flight of an airplane, where coincidentally the inventors were also people of the United States. This is very convenient.
@@EEntretenimento "every official aeronautical society" includes all of the European authorities. There was no conspiracy. The facts and history are clear.
Aos 003' o piloto A. Dumond está em uma cesta de balão. O balão N-14 ou Número 14 é uma cesta de balão com asas em forma de caixa. Ele não voava, apenas dava uns pulinhos.
Negão, tu ainda estás com esta merda dos wright na tua cabeça!!! Não entendeu ainda que tu e mais uma cambada de canalhas não apresentam nunca as provas oficiais com fotos que os dois filhos de uma égua tenham voado antes.!!! Vai dormir, cara!!!!
Santos distributed the money he received from the Eiffel flight prize to the poor in Paris, specially to pay off debt of poor families at that time, and to his employees/workers.
This was before IRS was invented.
@@lunaazule1899 Yes, but why would this make a difference?
Today, someone as wealthy as Santos-Dumont would have to have his accountants set up a non-profit charity to distribute the gift and the money would probably have to be given directly to the charity. This would be the procedure in the US. I am not sure about current tax laws in France.
@@stevebett4947 Get out here american supremacist
The American reputation destruction machine is in full swing!
Santos Dumont the great creative Genius.
Absolutely. I just tweeted: @TheAvWriter - #SantosDumont made the first real flight. His father was partly paralyzed from falling off a horse. @Scottymechanic
#BlancoLirioReport
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Like Nikola Tesla, I'm sure Santos Dumont was not suicidal - he was suicided for publicity! #WhoDidIt
I think both the Wrights and Santos Dumont are both great aviation pioneers! They approached the issue from different ways. They are heroes to me!
@Roberto Xiximanganes Exact! And for any discussion about this polemic , just ask:
how would be possible the Flyer, with 340,2 kg and 12 hp fly sustainable, since it is physically impossible ? The discussion finishes.
Yes, both were great pioneers and earned their place. Nevertheless, I consider Dumont's life consistently more interesting than the Wright's and he deserves more than a simple footnote in American books (my opinion).
@Marcos Palhares Marcos, sejamos pelo menos céticos.
Vamos traçar uma normal para apenas eu tentar entender algo:
-Você duvida de fatos históricos que foram os vôos do 14-bis ? É isso mesmo ?
- Nas falácias dos Wright sem prova alguma de vôos anteriores a 1908, que vão contra as leis da física você acredita?
@Marcos Palhares Making the tranlation short, as you understand Portuguese and got it all already.
Clarify please:
-You do not believe in the historical FACTS about Santos Dumont flights.
- You believe even without a proof about Wright brothers flights.
How can it be?
@Marcos Palhares Agora, vamos as provas, se você as possui , poste aqui, do contrário são falácias.😉
in Oahu outside of the ARMY's Scoffield Barracks there is a street near the aviation brigade. The street is named Santos-Dumont. I'm probably the only soldier who appreciated the importance of the street name. But apparently someone else also appreciated Santos-Dumont. From Abu Firas to Santos Dumont, airborne all the way!!
in bagatelle, Paris, there has been a monument for Dumont since 1910. on this monument is written "FIRST AVIATION RECORD OF THE WORLD" for Dumont and under the supervision of the largest aeronautical authority in the world , french aeroclub. The first record for the wrights, May 1908 in the United States in extremely precarious flight without the ability to run and take off. flew 337 meters only.
@@glostermeteorwright2724 You are full of schight. The Wrights in 1905 flew in Dayton Ohio, one flight of 25 miles in 37 minutes. Their first flight was in 1903, that's when Santos Dumont was wearing knee pants.
@@glostermeteorwright2724 "BAGATELLE GAME FIELD HAS A MONUMENT. On the monument there is a plaque which reads First aviation record of the world.
SB: There are long discussions of the monument and its plaques which were added later. Some of the statements are difficult to understand.
Archdeacon and two other tycoons were interested in promoting French aviation. They came up with a rather strange limitation on what would count as an aviation record in France. The requirements included that the record must be set up and approved by members of the French Aeroclub. Wilbur set an altitude record in 1908 but the French Aeroclub would not approve it because he had used a derrick catapult. So he took off on skids and set the record again.
Santos-Dumont set the first record that complied with FAI rules.
In the Fall of 1904, the Wright Brothers had set 25 and 100 meter distance records. However, they didn't count because they were not public and were not witnessed by someone from the French Aero-club.
This Is a Great Documentary Santos was An Absolute Genius!!
He wanted flight to bring the world together and instead he felt like it was used to betray him.
As he was definitely a man of Peace so I can't imagine the amount of Guilt he felt seeing the airplane used to spill the Blood of his fellow man.
He obviously blamed himself because without his efforts all those people would've lived.
The Wright Brothers and others were a lot more responsibility for that and he ever was.
The Wright Brothers Even Sold a Plane to the Military and obviously someone in Germany sold theirs to the German government.
The fact that Santos was in the sanitarium was a sign of the depth of his guilt.
Suicide or heart attack more like a combination of the two.
I think it's more like he died of a broken heart long before his heart stopped beating.
That such a sad ending to such a Brilliant Man but it does not take away from his Great accomplishments in any way.
I have never really heard much about Mr. Santos before seeing this documentary on him!
Thank you for posting this documentary on Mr. Santos.
Actually the first person to create a powered and controlled aircraft of any kind even a dirigible is a heavier than air form of aircraft.
like the Manhattan project
bring power for man
it was said later
WHAT HAVE I DONE Hoppermiser
Maravilha!!! Acabei de ver esse documentário hoje pela tv na Noruéga e me arrepiei. Esse foi um herói da humanidade, o verdadeiro inventor do avião. Tenho amigos americanos que nunca viu falar do "pai da aviacão". Vou mostrar este vídeo aqui do you tube.Procurei logo que ví o programa e achei isso aqui. Coloque mais, seria ótimo mostrar ao mundo quem foi Santos Dumont que ninquem conhece.
Que pena! A leitura e história devem ser preservadas.
Santos Dumont é um herói nacional e também internacional.
Habita os sonhos das crianças e de muitos adultos.
Humilde e sem ganância. Sempre pensou no bem estar do próximo e da humanidade.
Tenho orgulho de ser brasileiro.🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
When Santos Dumont flew the 14 bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) The 1903 Flyer, which took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) in 59 seconds; 2) The 1904 Flyer which also took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet; and 3) the 1905 Flyer which also took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including several circular maneuvers. On the other hand, Santos Dumont's 14 bis was essentially uncontrollable and was only capable of flying short distances in a straight line.
Official documents please.
Provas, por favor! E no centenário do Flyer em 2003, quanto ele voou?
@@gilbertonedeljunior4825 The official documents are with the French who recognize the Wrights as the first to fly.
@@johnwelsh2769 The Morris Tribune. [volume], September 29, 1906, Image 7
KEEPING TAB ON THE WORLD
Concluded from page 2.
Santos Dumont's Mechanical Flight.
Although M. Santos-Dumont in his new aeroplane, the Bird of Prey, was able to traverse the air at Paris only a distance of thirty-seven feet before his ship came to the ground with a crash, nevertheless the test is regarded as one of great importance because it was the first time an airship had ever left the earth unaided.
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@@johnwelsh2769 Evening Star. [volume], December 09, 1906, Sunday star, Page 5, Image 53
The Sunday Star, Washington, D. C., December 09, 1906-Part 4.
(Copyright, 1906, by John Elfreth Watkins.)
SANTOS-DUMONT is the first man to have performed aerial flight with a self-propelled machine heavier than the air which it displaced. He has solved a problem which has caused inventive geniuses to burn the midnight oil and toss restlessly upon their couches since centuries before the dawn of the Christian era. During three millenniums or more ambitious men have broken their hearts and their heads seeking the great goal which this fearless Brazilian has won within the past few weeks.
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Brazilians our American Brothers to the South...God bless Alberto Santos Dumont he is the FIRST and the most creative of them all...the French are lucky to have him work his magic there..Wish he stayed in the Americas , The wright brothers were greedy and cowards compared to Santos...Some how some way the Brazilians will be the New Power of the world its in their blood to be the best no matter how hard the path may be..They remind me of how the U.S use to be, but some how became a world power! this was a wonderful flick hope many Americans watch this and learn the truth.
+Brian Griffin he is the real, he is the pioneer
Thank you. God bless. The Wright Brothers have they glory to. They wold have worked together.
The Wrights had no problem sharing their ideas with other pioneers of aviation. They just wanted to be paid a royalty if money was made on plane production. I am not sure that they were successful. They successfully sued Glen Curtis but the Curtis company and the Wright company eventually merged. By that time, I don't think Orville Wright or Glen Curtis were associated with the companies.
The Wrights were slow and methodical and took extra measures to make sure the pilot could survive a crash. They couldn't eliminate all risk. How can you call any of the early aviators "cowards.
So in your delusional mind an aircraft that can barely get 10 feet off the ground and can't make a controlled turn is somehow better than one that can be controlled and stay in the air for an extended period? It's so stupid. Go away with your bullshit feel good stories. The truth is the Wright brothers had a functional, controllable aircraft. Dumont had a pile of junk he could force 10 feet off the ground and fly in a straight line for a few seconds.
@@joeg5414 KAKAKAKAKAKAKAK YOU ARE DUMB VERY TRASH YOUR THOUGHTS FLYER HAS NO REPLICAS THAT FLY THE 14BIS HAS THE WRIGHT ONLY WANTED MONEY THE SCORE OF HUMANITY
Ana Barbosu and Sabrina Volnei just learned what they can do to achive their geopolitical goals. Brazilians will never stop fighting for Santos Dumont.
The fact that you frame this technical topic in nationalistic terms, only reveals your own bias. The accomplishments of Santos-Dumont and the Wrights were the accomplishments of individuals, not countries anyway. No Brazilian or American today shares any credit for them, so the Brazil-versus-US squabbling is nothing more than false pride, and it demeans the legacies of all three men.
@@cardinalRG Both cases are all about hegemony, this is all about geopolitcs, all about narrative, thus domination. Of course I have a bias, so you do too. Despite being individual accomplishments, they are used to inflate national proudness and national is everything USA wants to eliminate in world except its own. I have researched how USA uses this kinda of technique to subjugate other countries. It does not sticky with me anymore, pal
não tenho palavras pra lhes agradecer nem para explicar minhas emoções
obrigado
Congrats for this awesome documentary! I´m proud to see and hear so dignifying and respectful statements about Alberto Santos Dumont, this video brings truth upon the endless discussions over who was the inventor of the flying machines, first: The dirigibles and shortly after: The plane!
It's funny that the WHOLE WORLD acknowledges the Wright brothers as the true inventors of controlled powered flight on December of 1903. EXCEPT the brain-washed residents of Brazil (due to authortarian propaganda). Dumont however did make meaningful contributions and 3 years after the Wright, he did get airborn (1906).
Santos Dumont the base of astronautic and aeronáutic era.
Deixaram o Demoiselle pro final porque até eles sabem que esse sim foi o verdadeiro avião dele
O 14-Bis, além de ser um avião, foi o primeiro avião da hist´poria da humanidade. Toda invenção começa como algo primitivo e vai melhorando com o passar do tempo. Assim foi com o 14-Bis que evolui para o Demoiselle. Assim foi com o primeiro celular do mundo que deveria pensar uns 10 quilos e que evoluiu para os celulares atuais.
Então compara com a cópia do centennial que demorou dezessete anos pra ficar pronta e provarem que não era um avião. Sabe os vôos dos wright entre 1903-1905? Nunca foram PROVADOS.
Switch to Portuguese
Arguments are nothing in front of the evidence of the fact that the Brazilian Santos Dumont invented the first machine " plane " to take off and land alone .
A pride for the nation Brazil
Exact! Completely agree with you.
Talking about this subject is the same as we compare science and religion.
We have a FACT about the 14-bis flight, and we have people who have faith on the Flyer flight.
That is why this is an endless discussion :-)
Santos was indeed a pioneer, but the photographic proof of the Wright flyer in Dec. 1903 flying under its own power says it all.
like that www.google.com.br/search?q=vaca+voando&client=firefox-b-ab&tbm=isch&imgil=G6T0b6C0T0UBOM%253A%253ByHcmhX_KeXXpTM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fbr.depositphotos.com%25252F5720149%25252Fstock-photo-flying-cow.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=G6T0b6C0T0UBOM%253A%252CyHcmhX_KeXXpTM%252C_&usg=__YgJmFqBC0KG1wm4RpzRowLZntUc%3D&biw=1366&bih=657&ved=0ahUKEwiWgbOUnrjPAhXDf5AKHRCIB1wQyjcIOg&ei=_vPuV5aKGcP_wQSQkJ7gBQ#imgrc=G6T0b6C0T0UBOM%3A
Gary Boisseau se jogarmos bosta pro alto, até ela voa. Não é?
@MajorLeague Ok, ok, but now , bring a proof .
Any airplane flight before 1906 goes to the same level of the supposed flights of Wright brothers. Rumors. There is no proof.
O grande mito SANTOS DUMONT 😍
acho que mudaram a língua oficial do Brasil depois desse vídeo, nunca vi tanto br comentando em inglês, se tem só br lendo por que comentar em inglês?
É pros gringos lerem, a cornalhada só lê se tiver em inglês.
The 14 bis had independent system and not needed boost catapult ! Dumont built the most effective aircraft in fact, beyond this same system be used in modern aircraft (commercial, war, space ) . :D
Somos descendentes de portugueses , Dumont inventou o 14 biz que voava de ré , os americanos aperfeiçoaram e colocaram pra voar pra frente! olhe com atenção o inicio do vídeo o 14 biz indo de ré no tempo 1:33 !!
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Alberto Santos Dumont never existed. He's a mythical character in an imaginary tale fabricated to assuage the inadequate self image of a certain third world nation.
THE "COUNTRY WITHOUT NAME" (UNITED STATES) LIKE TO STEAL THE TECHNOLOGY OF OTHER NATIONS. AFTER THE END OF THE SECOND WAR, THE THIEVES OF THE COUNTRY WITHOUT NAME INVADED GERMANY AND STEALED THEIR TECHNOLOGY. THE COUNTRY WITHOUT NAME LIKE TO STEAL OIL AND TECHNOLOGY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. THE COUNTRY WITHOUT NAME HAS DEVELOPED ONLY BY CAUSE OF THESE THEFT.. I WANTED TO KNOW IF THE YANKE GARBAGE CAN PROVE THAT THE YANKE BROTHERS FLY BEFORE DUMONT SAINTS. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHY. I CAN TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH TODAY AND SAY THAT PHOTOGRAPHY DATE OF 2015. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DOCUMENT. I CAN MAKE A DOCUMENT AND PLACE IT ON THE DATE OF 2015. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WITNESSES WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE. THE YANKE BROTHERS COULD BE "FLYING" INTO A PIPE AND EVEN THE WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE WITNESSES COULD CONFUSE THAT WITH AN AIRCRAFT. AND WE DO NOT KNOW IF EVIDENCE WAS WITNESSES. ALL HISTORY OF WITNESSES, DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHY CAME FROM THE MOUTH OF THE YANKE BROTHERS. EVERYTHING WHAT YANKES ALL THE THIEVES OF THE COUNTRY WITHOUT NAME TALK DO NOT PASS FROM SPECULATIONS.. THERE ARE NO PROOFS. SANTOS DUMONT TOOK IN THE FRONT OF REPORTERS, AVIATION AND CIVIL SPECIALISTS IN GENERAL. IT WAS ALL SEEN AND DOCUMENTED BY ALL.
People want to discredit the wright brothers saying they needed a catapult but the 14bis did not. They completely ignore the fact that the wright brothers had a controllable aircraft that could fly for an extended time. The 14bis could barely get 10 feet off the ground and could hardly be flown in a straight line, never mind make a turn. We get it, you're jealous. Get over it though. The whole Wright brothers vs Dumont thing is ridiculous.
Os Wright disseram que voaram. Santos voou de vdd
Even today, no light airplane could be kept in air without a engine with less than 25cc, Wright brothers had a 12.5cc engine. Such powerfull engine was developed with Santos Dumont help and a similar engine would make it possible for the Wright brother to really fly only after 1908
@@joeg5414 when? In 1908? Before that dont have scientifc proofs
Presidential Proclamation No. 6858 made by President William J. Clinton on December 13, 1995: "Ninety-two years ago, Orville Wright manned the first sustained and controlled, machine-powered flight in an airplane he designed and built with his brother Wilbur. This extraordinary journey, though only 12 seconds long, was the first great achievement of a partnership that revolutionized aviation and made remarkable contributions to aerodynamics, mechanical engineering, and practical flight techniques. The Wright brothers' pioneering efforts remain enduring examples of American ingenuity and perseverance.Today, the United States aviation industry helps to drive our economy and provides business and recreational opportunities to our citizens that were unthinkable just a century ago. Our reliance on air transit grows each year, challenging the aviation community and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to meet new safety and operational demands.Our air transportation system, already the safest and most efficient in the world, continues to improve. In fact, efforts are underway to craft reforms that enhance the efficiency of the FAA so that America's leadership in air transportation, begun with the Wright brothers' historic flight on December 17, 1903, can continue well into the next century.The Congress, by a joint resolution approved December 17, 1963 (77 Stat. 402; 36 U.S.C. 169), has designated December 17 of each year as "Wright Brothers Day" and has authorized and requested the President to issue annually a proclamation inviting the people of the United States to observe that day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.Now, Therefore, I, William J. Clinton, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim December 17, 1995, as Wright Brothers Day.In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this thirteenth day of December, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and ninety-five, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twentieth."
Clinton recognized Dumont as "father OF aviation" on trip to Brazil 1996
E o dia 3 de dezembro de 2003, centenário do Flyer, o dia do fiasco? Esqueceram de usar a catapulta! Há há há!!!😂
@@paulyouth8342 Foi mera diplomacia política!
@@Marcos5pb o problema é que o buch numa visita aqui em 2003, 04 ou 05 também reconheceu o mesmo. E o registro de Ernest Archdeacom para Dumont registra o PRIMEIRO RECORD DE AVIAÇÃO DO MUNDO!! não foi da Europa.
@@paulyouth8342 Where can you find the full quote?
SANTOS and SENNA it's the most important brasilians in the world.
What did Senna invent?
When Santos Dumont flew the 14 bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) The 1903 Flyer, Which Took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) in 59 seconds. 2) The 1904 Flyer, Which Took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet during the same flight. Aviation pioneer Octave Chanute Observed many of the Flyer's 2 flights. 3) The 1905 Flyer, Which Took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including circular several maneuvers. The Flyer was Also the world's first aircraft capable of carrying a passenger.
They use catapults.
Fairy tales....
@@Nomamegooglefirstly, the first flight did not use catapults, but a skid.
Secondly, the ones that used a catapult means nothing, cause the catapult was used at a time where landing gear was an unknown area.
Thirdly, it didn't matter to the French when they gave the wright's credit.
Thanks to this child addicted to Jules Verne novels, who dreamt of cruising the sky, aeronautics has developed in such a way, that mankind has not only flown to every corner of the world, but in only 70 years has traveled as far as the moon. That is the reason why the International Astronomic Union has honored Dumont by naming one of the lunar craters with his name. Could the reader of From Earth to the Moon have ever imagined this?
Marcio Silveira Jules Gabriel Verne has nothing to do with Santos Dumont's Engineering and devotion to his own ideas, creations and inventions...all for his passion in flying and to be able to be up in the skies, flying. Craters? Please. We are talking about the man who dedicated his mind and life to fly. So, then...let's give a crater his name to cover deeds...but it is not that easy as they want it to be. But...there is not much to expect as there is nothing expected though as Santos Dumont IS and the others not.
Ele é o pai da aviação e acabou !
Quite the amazing documentary. Thanks.
Let's ask ourselves: Who contributed the most towards human flight 1. Birds, Orville, Wilbur, or Santos?
Obviously human flight was an evolutionary process; and an international process too.
The binary choice of "who was first to fly" just requires another question: "What is flight?"
Answering that question (what is flight?) just means that your picking a point along an evolutionary line. It's arbitrary. There is no one time or technical invention that provides a boundary between "before flight" and "after flight".
Picking such a point probably tells us more about what country your loyal to, and the kind of people you admire more than it tells us anything about the processes and techniques leading to human flight.
Birds, Santos, Orville, Wilbur, and others overlap each other along the path to human flight.
Who invented the computer? Who invented the electric guitar? These questions really try to answer the arbitrary question: Who gets the money?
Well said.. shame that as humans we need to keep milestones to interpret events, systems and pretty much anything.. we are always working with only the snapshots of reality so to speak.. I wonder if technology will liberate us from this curse.. or maybe the curse would be to hold every bit of information at the same time... we wouldn't be able to hold one thought and feeling at a time, we'd see it all.. Funny that the engine of our consciousness - our central nervous system - is always connected and yet the awareness that arises from it (us) can only hold one thought at a time. We were able to build information processing systems that sometimes can work in parallel, but each part is always holding one piece of information at a time. This is an element of a centralised architecture called Von Neumann architecture. The non-centralised approach, like our brain, is called non Von Neumann architecture and to my knowledge we suck at understanding it and aside from making babies I'm not even sure we ever produced such a machine. This leads to the question whether we are even able to think holistically in the first place. Maybe we emulate it only. If that is the case, then our fierce wish to choose milestones in order to understand the history of flight is very much understandable.
I'm giving the award to mother nature. Mother nature invented flight, and mankind has been trying to copy her ever since in every way. Watch some videos of "flying fish" and be amazed at what evolution can do.
He didn't say anything, kid, the video has photos, footage and there's the official record for Dumont. As for the wrights, so far the Americans haven't been able to effectively prove anything,
In 1905, the Aero Club of America officially certified the Wright Brothers as having flown in 1903. The Great Medal of the Aéro-Clubde France was awarded to the Wright Brothers in 1908 for inventing the first practical powered airplane. L'Aerophile editor Georges Besançon wrote that the flights "have completely dissipated all doubts. Not one of the former detractors of the Wrights dare question, today, the previous experiments of the men who were truly the first to fly...."
+Jindle Spog Maybe the first to fly, but very far from being as inventive and well intentioned as Santos. He did not seek a commercial patent, but shared his dream hoping for a better world, and unfortunately this was his downfall. That said, he does not get the recognition that he deserves.
L'aéro-Club de Le france recognizes the Santos, the wrigth are just only recognized by the Fai(féderatión aeronautique internationale
Jindle Spog but they never shown this flight. just a picture. c'mon. If was a contest of Angry birds they certainly wins
@@pedrod6344 Alberto Santos Dumont never existed. He's a mythical character in an imaginary tale fabricated to assuage the inadequate self image of a certain third world nation.
@@dicassete8289 Alberto Santos Dumont never existed. He's a mythical character in an imaginary tale fabricated to assuage the inadequate self image of a certain third world nation.
When aviation pioneer Louis Bleriot saw the Wright brothers fly, Bleriot said, "We are beaten! We are nothing!" Even Santos Dumont conceded the Wright Brothers' effortless maneuvering and long flights surpassed Dumont's efforts. Admitting defeat, Santos Dumont admitted his aircraft, the 14a, never Achieved more than a minute in the air. On the other hand, the Wright Flyer 3's longest flight lasted more than two hours. Consequently, the Wrights Became the new celebrities of the air, admired by Thousands who gazed in awe at Their momentous achievement.
The exaggerated North American nationalism makes you forget everything that was seen in the documentary and reduce it to nothing. As if it never happened. This type of impermeability prevents any kind of fair analysis, given that this comment only rejects the opinions of the comments and the video itself. Which I doubt was watched to the end by you sir.
@@silviocrespo4329north american nationalism?
As opposed to the Brazilian nationalism that leads them to claim that their guy was the first to fly?
You know that even the US government tried to take credit away from the Wright Brothers, right?
@@nukclear2741 It's not Brazilian nationalism wanting to be "our guy", it turns out that what Americans claim has no scientific proof. Those flights of 1903, 1904 and 1905. For us, the first heavier-than-air flight is science. And where is the scientific proof of this???? In this case it's just because the Americans want them to be "their guys", that's why they "buried" and to this day they discredit Santos Dumont, and believe me, he was huge! P.S.: Everything Dummont did is proven and documented with dates in an impeccable way, unlike the Wrights, which is just fallacy, right?
@@silviocrespo4329 "North American nationalism makes you forget..."
Wasn't the documentary produced by Americans? It was broadcast as a PBS NOVA production in the US and probably supplied free to others.
What specific opinions in the video to you think that jindlespog8045 ignores or doesn't accept? He just states that the under-powered Wright Flyer III flew laps around the cow pasture at Huffman Prairie for 2 hours in 1905. How does this "...prevent any kind of fair analysis:"?
There was no claim that the Wrights were the "first to fly"
He might believe that the Wrights were the first to fly a practical heavier than air machine with 3 axis control.
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jindlespog does not provide a URL. So this might be a recollection not an accurate quote. Santos Dumont set a record the required by flying 50 m by flying 200 m in about 3 min. The exact starting line and landing point could only be approximated. Alberto would not say his longest flight never lasted more than a minute.
According to Jindle, "The 1905 Wright Flyer III's longest flight lasted more than 2 hours."
The documentation for this claim is available. If anyone comments, I will provide the URL.
I don't have a source for Alberto's quote where he "admitted defeat."
He was pioneer of creation. Credit goes to him.
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A true pioneer to be sure, but NOT "the real inventor, and pilot of the first airplane to fly on the sky in the world." He didn't even understand how a propellor works, based on his inefficient designs. He was still stuck with the belief that it worked like a paddle and apparently failed to understand it was actually a lifting surface, which was one of the Wright's lesser-known discoveries. Good film, however.
Rusty Barnett This is not a film, but the truth in a documentary made from documents, journals, newspapers, photos, videos testifying who really are. Sorry if the truth disappointed over a making believe for gain, fame, and fortune over others's true talent as Santos Dumont, but... he, Dumont, is the true one in Aviation History.
Rusty Barnett English military engineer and mathematician Benjamin Robins (1707-1751) invented a whirling arm apparatus to determine drag and did some of the first experiments in aviation theory, wind tunnel started. Octave Chanute was the real engineer mentor for the brothers. The brothers were very skillfull in gliders and wind was everything for them. Controls with wing warping was a joke, like ride their bikes, sueing every europeans pioneer. Don´t give us " Good Film However" you were brainwashed from childhood.
Experiments are open for anyone...But Santos validated his experiments in public...flying as nobody else could do what he did. The brothers are not the real thing, sorry for your disappointment. They went to Paris, yes, but to get what they did not have or know...Santos ability to fly. Santos Dumont IS the real thing. Santos Dumont Is the father of aviation. and this is a fact and the truth. and does not need your acceptance.
Another fact: Santos Dumont's father was also an Engineer/Mathematician graduated in Europe. Santos Dumont was a bright individual, Engineer, Mathematician, Inventor, Artist, Entrepreneur, with an open mind to not just create the idea, but to make his own ideas practical, working, and real. Let's go a little further: Santos as a practical man, needed a watch that was at hand, without the need to take it from the pocket to use it while flying. Louis Cartier then, produced the first wristwatch called "Santos" in name of their friendship. And...The Arial Dinner by Santos at the Cafe de Paris with tables elevated to 7 feet high to experience dinning in the sky. .. just to illustrate who really IS!
This world are full of the Brothers and others, everywhere, waiting for someone's ideas to copy and take advantage. These kind of individuals are empty and hollow, cowards, without any gift, or inspiration. The only thing this kind of individuals have in their minds are how to show themselves as someone (which they are not) and make profits using others' real thing as so speaking. Pathetic indeed. The truth IS Alberto Santos Dumont, the real thing!
On October 5, 1905, the Dayton County Journal reported Wilber Wright flew twenty-four miles in thirty-eight minutes in one flight, landing only when his fuel ran out. This was the longest flight flight yet, longer than all 160 of the Wrights' previous flights over the last three years. More than a dozen witnesses were present during this record-breaking flight.
No official evidence is unfortunately a lie.
But, is there any film, photo, the newspaper cited (Dayton County Journal) or any oficial document fom any authority to confirm these "witnesses"? Did they still use catapults?
Wrights had to use catapults because they weren't taking off on the Bonneville salt flats. They were usually taking off from lumpy grassy fields or sand dunes.
If they had big pockets full of cash I guess they could have had nice smooth runways built everywhere they flew.
@@Marcos5pb the rights only ever used a catapult for the glider soon as they put the motor on it was never used again the first flight in 1903 happened because it was a very cold and very high pressure day which compared to the standard aviation day, it was like being 4000 feet below sea level so it flew that day but it wouldn’t have flown two days later or two days before but it did fly and yes there are witnesses. Regardless, the rights are the ones in 1908 were the first to have a functional airplane. They could turn to loops land where they wanted to take off again, they were the inventors
@@mcamp9445 Your information is not entirely correct, as the wrigths did use a catapult, even in Europe and many flights with witnesses, there is no official record or photo after 1903. In fact, the centenary of the Flyer's flight in 2003 was, literally, a disaster, proving that without a catapult the 1903 version, considered the first flight, was not really a flight, but a glide with an engine! Furthermore, in 1908, Santos Dumont was already flying like the Flyer with his "Demoiselle", which he continued to improve until the next year and then start selling his designs without patents so that everyone could produce them!
Grande documentário !! Parabéns aos idealizadores. Uma boa homenagem a um pequeno grande Homem.
The Aero Club de France were well informed about the Wrights beginning in 1900 when Wilbur Wright began corresponding with founding member Octave Chanute. Impressed with the Wrights' progress, Chanute traveled to the United States to visit them at Kitty Hawk in 1901, 1902, and at Dayton, Ohio in 1903. After his 1903 visit, Octave Chanute delivered a lecture to the Aero Club de France in which he described the Wrights' experiments with gliders and their plans to fly a powered aircraft. Present at Octave Chanute's 1903 lecture was a French artillery captain named Ferdinand Ferber who likewise traveled to the United States and visited the Wrights at Huffman Prairie in Dayton, Ohio. After meeting the Wrights, Ferdinand Ferber declared himself a "disciple of Wright" and in 1904 built a copy of a Wright-style glider, describing it as a "type du Wright." Relying on information gained during these and other visits to the Wrights, the December 1905 and January 1906 editions of L'Aerophile (the official journal of the Aero Club de France) confirmed the Wrights' successful flight of a powered heavier-than-air airplane. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everything was on paper. hahahahaha. Archdeacon summoned the wrights in 1904 to prove their ability to fly. They never did anything or proved anything. Flight on paper until I invent.
The Paris record for the wrights has the following note at the end. ALL EVENTS RECOGNIZED IN THIS DOCUMENT RELATING TO 1903-1905 ARE UNOFFICIAL.
Voo planado, os Wright só apareceram mesmo em 1908, com provas inconsistentes sobre seus vôos anteriores a este na França em 1908. Mas conseguiram a patente a qual estavam desesperados. Portanto, nacionalismo não pode cobrir os fatos.
@@paulyouth8342funny, even he admitted he was wrong the whole time when they finally did fly in France.
E no centenário do Flyer em 2003, que foi um fiasco, porque a maravilha dos Wrights não voou? É que esqueceram a catapulta! Kkkk!!😂
Wright brothers: *small business owners from some backwater build an airplane model whose schematics and concepts are still being used today
Santos Dumont: *rich guy makes flying box
Brazilians: hE iNveNTed aiRpLANe
American: huurr PoOr MuRiCanN
Santos Dumont was a genious of aviation for his time. This Brazilian inventor, is also remembering for wearing the first watch for men ( before only the royality and soldiers would wear a WATCH!)
If the military brass wore wrist watches, then Santos Dumont was not the first. You can say that Santos made the wrist watch stylish. He was a style leader in Paris and what he wore was copied by other wealthy young men.
I'm so glad they still use this Roblox design today, oh wait, THEY DON'T. They all use the WRIGHT FLYER design. I wonder why?
Oh well, the modern airplane looks EXACTLY like Demoiselle. With 12hp, no airplane could be kept in air for longer than a paper airplane...Do your homework before talking about what you don't know, dude.
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There is a transcript of Wings of Madness" I have not seen one for Brown's biased documentary.
SB: What information could the wrights' have received from the alleged meeting with Whitehead that would aid them to complete their flyer? They were already aware of Lilienthal's work.
1st flight: 120 ft in 12 sec.
4th flight: 852 ft. (almost 300 yds.) ft. in close to 1 min. flight.
How much can we trust the Wright Brothers' photographs?
Any flight shorter than 300 ft. would be "just a hop".
It only had to convince them that the design worked.
Brown made an unsupported claim that Orville said the 1908 photo was a photo of the 1903 flight. Evidence for this claim iBs very important since it would suggest that Orville may have lied. The photo is of a 1908 flight with 2 passengers and an upright 4 engine.
Brown provided no evidence that Orville claimed the photo was of the 1903 flight. This is important.
SB: I think It was from a 1908 flight. There is a slight problem because the Wrights said that their practice flight was in a modified Wright Flyer III that had been converted to a 2 passenger plane. This could be true if they also added a Wright-Taylor upright 4 engine.
No one has had any success flying an exact replica of the 1903 Wright flyer over 120 ft. They spent a million US$ duplicating the 1903 Wright Flyer I
using tools and materials available to the Wright Brother. They were not successful in duplicating the 17Nov1903 flight conditions. There were at least two successful test flights of an exact replica but the strongest wind was only 15 mph, not over 21.
On December 17, 1903, the Wright Brothers made four flights, with the first lasting 12 seconds and covering 120 feet, the second around 12 seconds and 175 feet, the third around 15 seconds and 200 feet, and the longest, fourth flight lasting 59 seconds and covering 852 feet.
REF: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Flyer
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers
The brothers wright invented Angry Birds.
And Santos Dumond invented The real airplane. Sorry Guys
@Roberto Xiximanganes Santos-Dumont never existed. He's a myth invented by a third world military dictatorship.
@@jindlespog8045The Money invented Wrongbros
@@marcoahobbits1876 Incomprehensible word salad. Try proofreading before attempting to reply.
The Wright's were focused on getting a big contract from the Army. I don't think they even imagined that a newspaper or rich aero-enthusiasts would offer sizable prizes for aeronautical achievement. To get rich, they thought they needed a significant patent. They applied in 1904 and received it in 1906. They also miscalculated on how quick the French would advance.
They thought they had a five year head start.
By 1903, aero enthusiasts were aware of the Wright's claims. One tried to build a Wright Flyer from the pictures and sketchy information they had available. When it didn' t fly, they started to doubt the claims.
The "Wrong Brothers" was used in an early documentary of failed attempts to build a flying machine. The Wright's were the Right Brothers.
So in your delusional mind an aircraft that can barely get 10 feet off the ground and can't make a controlled turn is somehow better than one that can be controlled and stay in the air for an extended period? It's so stupid. Go away with your bullshit feel good stories.
Santos Dumont the great humanity Genius.
Translation, please.
30:40 she is so brave, I will never let something hurt my daughter in an uncertain machine! I huge respect to her and her daddy, since she is modern girl who see most advance jet in the sky, yet she has to deal with fact that she has to fly the damn thing to the opposite direction
The 14 bis looks as though it was built back to front but we still build canards. Their advantage is that on take off applying rotate contro;l inputs lift the nose and helps to lighten the load on the main gear whereas a conventional tailplane lifts the tail and puts more weight on it.
Santos Dumont the great hero.
1) I honestly don’t understand who came up with the idea to put Santos Dumont with a french accent in this otherwise excellent documentary. The man was full fledged brazilian, born and raised. If he has an accent speaking English, It would have been from brazilian portuguese.
2) It is absurd to learn all this and think the Write Brother were the inventors of Flight. It’s time to re-write history, with apologies to my fellow americans. The WBs were benefiaries of SD work. I disagree with the “Showman” statement of this documentary SD was generous man who wanted the whole world to benefit from his knowledge, as opposed to the WB who “supposedly” and allegedly have flown a catapulted contraption off of a dune with barely any witnesses, feat that is impossible to replicate with their first design, unlike SD 14-bis, which, inspite of its clumsiness, can be flown with identical replicas today.
3) It is an unquestionable fact that SD invented the dirigible. It is also an unquestionable fact tha he was the first man to fly a heavier than air machine, according to the international rules at the time (agreed upon even by the US) that flight had to be SELF PROPELLED, from FLAT GROUND, which neither one can be said about the Write flyer.
3) The Demoiselle, SD second craft is unquestionably the grandfather of all modern aircraft, not the Write Flyer. That is a fact I dare anyone to disput from an engineer stand point.
In conclusion, anyone can argue abou who invented the airplane, but there is no doubt in my mind as to who should be considered the father of aviation. Alberto Santos Dumont is “ O Pai da Aviação”. It’s about time he is brought back to his rightful place in history.
Good point. I wonder how it could be tested. At one time I am sure there were audio tapes of his speeches in Portuguese. Not sure how many
survived.
Fabio Mendonça -- _”I honestly don’t understand who came up with the idea to put Santos Dumont with a french accent…”_
I agree that it’s very silly.
_”It’s time to re-write history…”_
Friend, the phrase _re-write history_ means to obfuscate or distort history. History itself is immutable. I think you mean to re-write the history books, or otherwise revise the way that history is taught.
_”…allegedly have flown a catapulted contraption off of a dune…”_
The earliest Wright flights (1903) did not use a catapult.
_”…unlike SD 14-bis, which, inspite of its clumsiness, can be flown with identical replicas today.”_
None of the flying 14bis replicas are identical to the original, nor near to it. The closest to authenticity is the admirable Calassa version, but even it has many upgraded features including a modern Rotax engine, and a modern propeller whose lineage itself connects back the pioneering work of the Wrights.
_”…he was the first man to fly a heavier than air machine, according to the international rules at the time (agreed upon even by the US) that flight had to be SELF PROPELLED, from FLAT GROUND, which neither one can be said about the Write flyer.”_
To begin with, any recognition by an oversight body is fundamentally an _official_ one, which does not necessarily equate to primacy. It is well understood in athletics, science and many other fields, that legitimate achievements can occur before _official_ recognition comes. Second, to argue for the legitimacy of official recognition, one has to argue for the authority of the source. Can you make the case that the _Federation Aéronautique Internationale (FAI)_ was the exclusive authority for all accomplishments, in all parts of the Earth, for all time…or must you acknowledge that this was an arbitrary claim to authority? Lastly, you are mistaken about the 1903 Wright Flyer, because it was self-propelled and took off from level ground. I encourage you to research the facts of this machine and, for that matter, the 14bis too.
_”The Demoiselle, SD second craft is unquestionably the grandfather of all modern aircraft, not the Write Flyer.”_
Friend, no subjective opinion is un-questionable. The claim that (2+2=4) is unquestionable, but metaphors such as “grandfather” aren’t.
_”That is a fact I dare anyone to disput from an engineer stand point.”_
No engineering needed. I just corrected you from a logical and semantic standpoint.
_”It’s about time he is brought back to his rightful place in history.”_
_“Rightful…”_ I don’t criticize your strong sentiment regarding this topic, but I don’t share it either. It’s of no importance to me who did what first, it only matters what the technical accomplishments were, and both Santos Dumont and the Wrights were great contributors to the advancement of flight. I’ve made comments here only from an interest in clarity, and in defending the Wrights and their endeavors against mischaracterizations-such as those you’ve made. I do the same for Santos Dumont when people unfairly attack his achievements.
The Wrights filed their patent for controlled flight in 1905. That is a year before Dumont's flight.
Incredible documentary. Thank you for the upload
Even today, no light airplane could be kept in air without a engine with less than 25hp, Wright brothers had a 12.5hp engine. Such powerfull engine was developed in France with Santos Dumont help and a similar engine would make it possible for the Wright brother to really fly only after 1908.
Judging the sufficiency of the Wright's engine requires a calculation that assimilates factors such as horsepower, torque, gearing, propeller efficiency, coefficients of lift and drag, and others. If you haven't performed any such calculation, then you're only guessing about it's ability to produce the thrust needed by the Flyer. Moreover, the Wrights' flights of 1908 were not powered by a French engine partially designed by Santos-Dumont.
@FernandoACalzzaniJunior wrote: "no light airplane could be kept in air without a engine with less than 25hp, Wright brothers had a 12.5hp engine"
SB: How do you account for the fact that the Wright Flyer III with its 8-16 hp. flat four engine flew over 50 miles in front of an invited crowd of 30 in 1905?
They did not comply with the 1905 French FAI rules for aviation records. But there is plenty of historical records of the flight. The Wrights did not allow newspapers to publish their photographs so the newspaper articles do not include photos. Capt. Ferber was given the names of 30 witnesses when he visited Dayton in 1905 and he interviewed many of them. He then published 2 articles in the French aviation magazine . . . and tried to convince fellow members of the French Aero-club that the Wright claims were true.
REF:
The 1902 Wright Glider - photo of 4 axis control.
". . . 256 have flown the Wright glider" PBS 2019.
I thought the number would be higher in 2019 since anyone can fly a replica of the Wright glider at Kitty Hawk for a fee in 2024.
The tether is attached but not used unless the inexperienced pilot loses control.
Critic Brown commented " no photographic evidence of flight in 1903."
The photo was not released to the press until 1908. Why would this photograph seen by millions not count as photographic evidence?
Another critic said he had never seen a photograph of the 1902 glider flying with 3 axis control.
There is a photograph at 1:53 on this video th-cam.com/video/JNf33QMHTm0/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/JNf33QMHTm0/w-d-xo.html
1:53 in the 7 min. video.
@@stevebett4947 History already showed us WHO is constantly forcing everybody else to believe in things that are not actually true through marketing to gatter INFLUENCE... You believe what you want, dude.
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The 14bis replica's propeller is nothing like the original paddle prop.
I'm glad this show at least acknowledged the Fact that Controlled flight was True Actual flight!!! 🤠👍
Been waiting to see this documentary. Thanks for sharing!
The Wright Flyer (often retrospectively referred to as Flyer I and occasionally Kitty Hawk) was the first powered aircraft designed and built by the Wright brothers. The Wright Flyer's first flight on December 17, 1903 at Kitty Hawk is recognized by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale, the standard setting and record-keeping body for aeronautics and astronautics, as "the first sustained and controlled heavier-than-air powered flight".
Fact.
After a single statement to the press in January 1904 and a failed public demonstration in May, the Wright Brothers did not publicize their efforts, and other aviators who were working on the problem of flight (notably Alberto Santos-Dumont) were thought by the press to have preceded them by many years. Indeed, several short heavier-than-air powered flights had been made by other aviators before 1903, leading to controversy about precedence (see Early flying machines). The Wrights, however, claimed to be the first of these which was "properly controlled."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Flyer#The_influence_of_the_Flyer
Controlled yes definitely, but for sure not the first ones to publicly fly without a catapult
Could you explain how is possible for an airplane fly sustainable weighting 340,2kg with only 12 hp ? Do you really think it is possible?
@@yuriborges one machine with 340 kg And 12 Hp motor, Impossible flight. Flyers's technical dates.
Nunca vi um flyer réplica de 1903 ou1904 ou1905 voar. Quem achar por favor postem o link do vídeo, parece cabeça de bacalhau, ninguém nunca viu.
Ok, but...where's the scientifc proof of this?
11:03 the hydrogen gas condensed? Hydrogen condenses at -400 F please don't make comments about science if you don't understand it.
Santos Dumont, a verdadeira invenção do vôo.
The plane had no control, the models don't have any control, it looks like a box-kite. Can someone explain to me how this is an airplane?
While Santos-Dumont claimed that he did not borrow anything from Lawrence Hargrave, the inventor of the box kite with a cambered control surface, the builder of Alberto's prototype readily admitted his debt to Hargrave.
The plane had v-shaped box kite wings to maximize lift and stability. I had ailerons and a front rudder but they may not have been functional. In the photographs and films, the ailerons appear to be fluttering and the front rudder locked in its maximum position.
The look-alike replica created and flown by Alan Calassa certainly had 3-axis control. Some of the small models could demonstrate 3-axis control in no-wind conditions.
It original BIS-14 was not a practical flying machine but it was certainly a rigid wing craft consistent with the D-Archdeacon contest rules.
REF:
PBS NOVA program Wings of madness: Transcript: www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3316_santos.html
Santos Dumont Program: th-cam.com/video/3NWFFSx5lSE/w-d-xo.html
Orville@wright-brothers.org April 28 2019
wright-brothers.org/History_Wing/History_of_the_Airplane/Who_Was_First/Santos_Dumont/Santos_Dumont.htm
Builders of the BIS-14 air-frame and engine. Both were made according to Alberto's specs. The V-8 aero-engine was built by Lavavasseur and the wheeled airframe was built by ... and based on his flying boat glider.
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parabéns bom vídeo, vendo a última parte do vídeo quando ele pega a gravata foi de cortar o coração
Fake. The only way it flies is with a modern Rotax aero engine and a modern propeller. The 1906 footage from Bagatelle Field shows the 14-bis making an uncontrolled hop.
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The nephew of aviation.
The Flyer replica never flew to my knowledge.
3 exact replicas of the Wright's replica were made. At least one backup was needed in the case the first crashed in test flights at KittyHawk. Two successful 400+ ft. test flights were completed about 30 days before December 17, 2013 at 10am. On those days there was a good 20+ mph headwind. The weather on the Centennial date lacked the required headwinds.
The pilot, Kevin Kochersberger, can be heard to say in the video, "I couldn't get the wind" Without a headwind, the original flyer cannot achieve lift-off in 60 ft.
I think I would have built a 200 ft. track. I wonder if that would have worked with only a 12 hp engine. Without a 10 mph + headwind, the required 30 mph across the airfoil would have to be generated by the engine alone.
@@liam5075 not saying the wright flyer didn't fly but the replica. Never saw a video from the replicas flying.
@@dubaiano2010 oh, sorry, I got It wrong. It's true, of the "replicas" I saw, they never flew right, maybe they weren't really replicas.
@@liam5075 I have never seen the Wright glider fly without tethers on the wings and people running along side with ropes, the reason it needs those ropes is because it is a BOX KITE not an Aeroplane, the ropes are providing the stability on the vertical axis.
@@liam5075 Boy, they've been making replicas of the flyers since 1909 and in their original condition they don't fly. It's over, kid, the flyers weren't planes. Or don't you know shit doesn't fly?
No--the replica of the 14 bis depicted herein is not "material proof" because it's powered by a modern engine and propeller.
Not true. The Wright flyer powered flight of Dec. 1903 was documented by independent journalists. They took photographs. Saw it with their own eyes. Unless, of course you are saying that they were liars.
there is a film in 1906 that prove the creation , a video in that was not possible to modify just seek in the net
*a video in that age
But, look the Centennial please, 2003.
@@garywboisseau Guy, in 1903 the brothers witness: one boy, And three guard lifes. This is thousands witness and various reporters?????
I wonder where the myth that the Wright brothers needed a catapult started. In fact, their first flight in 1903 was with the planes own power, no catapult.
I think myths like that, as well as those regarding other competing aviation pioneers, originate with people seeking to validate a preferred assumption, rather than simply follow evidence to a conclusion. Many people who don’t want the Wrights to have been first, latch onto notions like the catapult-myth and then turn away from any contrary evidence. Frankly, I think a technical topic like this gets muddied mainly because of the nationalistic bias of some Americans, Brazilians, New Zealanders, Indians, and others. Support for native sons is seemingly always disproportionate.
@@cardinalRGExistem fotos do primeiro "voo" com a catapulta, depois, kit hawk naquela época, tinha dunas e por isso, o flyer planou e não voou. Por isso, não conseguiram repetir o feito em 2003, no centenário de voo do mesmo flyer e foi um tremendo fiasco! Porque? Não tinha mais dunas em kit hawk e também, esqueceram a catapulta, simples!
There was no catapult. It does not appear in any of their photographs of their camp. A glider would not have traveled 850 ft forward against that wind in 59 seconds, as Wilbur did on the fourth and final flight.
Nobody flew before the Wrights because the Wrights had one thing over everybody else- their propellers. They were the first to design an airfoil shape to their propeller blades, resulting in a much more efficient and effective propulsion system.
Santos-Dumont did not fly until he had designed a propeller based on the Wright Brothers' design, which he learned about through Octave Chanute, who did not keep what he knew about the Wrights' designs secret.
@@rescue270 Colonized! Read Aloud
The New York Times, December 17, 1951. Page 30
WRIGHT TRIBUTE TODAY
Airmen to Mark Anniversary of Kitty Hawk Flight
KITTY HAWK. N.C, Dec.16 (U P) - Modern airmen will pay tribute here tomorrow to the forty-eighth anniversary of the Wright Brothers' pioneering airplane flight, but an old-timer who watched the first take-offs said the celebrators have picked the wrong day.
Wilbur and Orville Wright are credited with making their first powered flight in a heavier-than-air machine on Dec. 17, 1903. But Alpheus W. Drinkwater, 76 years old, who sent the telegraph message ushering in the air age, said the brothers only "glided" off Kill Devil Hill that day.
Their first real flight came on May 6, 1908, he said. It was on that day, that Wilbur Wright declared the airplane was a mighty fine contraption, but predicted it would never carry enough gasoline to span an ocean.
Regardless of his quibble with aeronautics historians; Mr. Drinkwater will be on hand for the celebration tomorrow. The first flight will be marked by flights of jet planes, helicopters and huge cargo planes.
www.nytimes.com/1951/12/17/archives/wright-tribute-today-airmen-to-mark-anniversary-of-kitty-hawk.html
WOW, he had to fight over FORTY SECONDS DELAY in a pioneering areal accomplishment?? He deserves a lot of credit just for that! But the 14 Bis aircraft is what truly made Alberto Santos Dumont a true aviator pioneer. Now, that he was supposedly gay, that’s the first time I heard of it...not sure if I can trust such thing, which is pure speculation. It’s not farfetched to think of a pioneer aerospace engineer, a natural born Brazilian with wealthy background, being flamboyant while trying to preserve his privacy, keeping his personal life to himself. To begin with, it’s pretty clear that such pioneers were looked upon as “nutty” people trying to achieve “the impossible”.
Somos descendentes de portugueses , Dumont inventou o 14 biz que voava de ré , os americanos aperfeiçoaram e colocaram pra voar pra frente! olhe com atenção o inicio do vídeo o 14 biz indo de ré no tempo 1:33 !!
vc não ta falando sério? ou vc realmente é português pra dizer uma burrada dessa.
Não falei como crítica e sim com humor (óbvio que estou tirando um sarro mas precisamos ter em mente que em nosso país , pessoas como Dumont não pode existir , os canalhas logo tratam de eliminar ou deturpar suas conquistas ao invés de incentivar e financiar!!) lógico tenho um orgulho imenso de saber que o Dumont era brazuca!!! , convidei pra olhar o vídeo e disse que somos todos descendentes de portuguese, uns mais outros menos mas somos porque foram eles que descobriram essa bagaça, quem for de outra árvore genealógica paciência, e a moral da piada está correta é só olhar o formato do 14 bis e ver que ele é ao contrario dos aviões como conhecemos , asas maiores à frente e menores à trás concorda??
@@alvarotorres8065 hahaha... isso significa que Santos Dumont era simplesmente um gênio!!! quem mais teria capacidade pra isso??? hahahaha
Não disse nada com nada. A configuração do 14 chamava-se canard, tinha aquela parte para frente, pois aquilo corta o ar, era pura AERODINÂMICA, e lá na frente, em um compartimento pequeno, quadrado, Dumont colocou o leme de direção. Aquilo é AERODINÂMICA!!!
MUITO OBRIGADO !!!
He didn’t fly an airplane before the write brothers. They flew yrs before him as far as an airplane flight goes. If my recollection is correct santos did attempt an airplane flight about a yr after the write brothers flew but he did not complete the the flight successfully as his plane crashed voiding the requisite conditions to qualify as a flight
What a great inspiration for us all .
He built the ekranoplan before the ekranoplan :0
I guess that after he acomplished his purpose in Life. He decided to check out. But what a brilliant he was.
Brasileiro jenio entre jenios Dios siempre atu lado
Not Wright Brothers but ALBERTO SANTOS DUMONT!
The Australia aboriginals invented the flying machine, the boomerang
@@gogogeedus only boomerang, because The plane were Dumont
@@paulyouth8342 didn't he invent parachute pants
@@gogogeedus Wright brothers invention of the first air disaster. Dumont was the invention of the first airplane.
When Santos Dumont attempted to fly the 14-bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) the 1903 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) in 59 seconds, 2) the 1904 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet during the same flight. Aviation pioneer Octave Chanute Observed many of the Flyer's 2 flights, and 3) the 1905 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including circular several maneuvers. The Flyer was Also the world's first aircraft capable of carrying a passenger. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
All this without official evidence, films, photos, without technical advice and without hundreds of witnesses. It's sad, I mean the idiots never did anything!!!!
@@rafaelantoniobazzanadossan9451 There are photos and newspaper articles. You can easily find them.
@@paulyouth8342 There were witnesses, we have their journals in which technical details are presented.
My question then is: why are you lying?
EDIT: Don't bother with an answer, I already see the rest of your trolling here. What a waste of time you are.
@@przemog88 Are you talking about several newspapers dated between 1903-1905 with the report of the flight and pictures of the flight???😂😂😂😂 forget it, boy!! this never happened, The físic sciense proofs WB did not fly!! The nada did proofs in 2003, "THE FLYER DOES NOT FLY". And the witnesses and scribbled sheets of paper for them It are not complete tests like the presentation of the machine in front of specialists. I'm waiting for a link to the report dated between 1903-1905 with photos of the flight related in newspaper. thanks
@@paulyouth8342 Moreover, there is no evidence for Dumont flying even in 1906. Power leaps are not flying. You can lie about that too if you want, I don't care anymore.
This is because the Wright brothers, in fact, were the first to take flight (1903). But in order to do it, they needed the help of a catapult, and their machine was actually a glider with a motor and not an airplane. Therefore they did not really fly. If we were to consider that being catapulted through the air is flying. The Wright brothers did not fly without external help until 1909, that is 3 years after Santos Dumont had already made his first self-propelled flight in front of many Parisian witnesses and journalists.
Marcio Silveira In fact, the Brothers did not really fly. Many others as in Germany, Italy and even Greece tried with or without propulsion, catapults, or body motion...but it was all experiments, not the real thing. I am surprised as you are of Brazilians and still have no understanding about the truth. An "in fact" cannot be denied, which you did in your third phrase..."Therefore they did not "really" fly".
Marcio Silveira No, the 1903 flyer took off without a catapult.
itis4peace In what way are experiments "not the real thing"?
Hypothesis.
Experiments are hypothesis.
Santos work was always from one point to another developing his own ideas, always, and he validated it, which the brothers did not.
The Wright Brothers are fakes, Santos Dumont is really invented the airplane. According to the established rules of self-propelled how the real aircraft. The Wright brothers invented the glider, yet the evidence, including witnesses are doubtful, and his Flyers prototypes never flew. The Santos Dumont always flies.The Wright brothers were never able to fly in front of that avalizavam patents, so only managed to patent the glider. Only managed to fly to the public in 1908, using the engine equal to the Santos Dumont, ie after making notes when analyzing the airplane Santos Dumont.
The Wright brothers invented the glider! So what the hell did George Cayley's coachman fly in, in 1853?
bingola45 You're right, I do not delved on gliders, but we know that the brothers Wright used a glider launched by catapults, this is definitely not a plane.
This is because the Wright brothers, in fact, were the first to take flight (1903). But in order to do it, they needed the help of a catapult, and their machine was actually a glider with a motor and not an airplane. Therefore they did not really fly. If we were to consider that being catapulted through the air is flying. The Wright brothers did not fly without external help until 1909, that is 3 years after Santos Dumont had already made his first self-propelled flight in front of many Parisian witnesses and journalists.
The 14 bis had independent system and not needed boost catapult ! Dumont built the most effective aircraft in fact, beyond this same system be used in modern aircraft (commercial, war, space ) . :D
So you're telling me that the photograph taken by a newspaper photographer in Dec. 1903 is a fake? The Wright flyer plainly took off under its own power and flew for 175 feet. Not a glider.
GoisBR
The launch catapult was not devised until after the machine had first flown. The Wright's first flights were made without it.
Santos-Dumont's machine was of much better design than the Wright's, which is to be expected. He had much more flying experience, and had already won a major aviation prize in Paris. However, his machine came later than the Wright's. By the time that Santos-Dumont had successfully turned his attention to heavier-than-air machines, Orville and Wilbur had made a number of controlled, sustainable flights at Kill Devil Hills, firstly from rest, and latterly using the launch catapult.
These flights represent an aviation 'first'.
Here's a partial list of aircraft that used the Wright Brothers' wing-warping system:
Antoinette VII, 1909, won altitude prize at Reims.
Bleriot, 1909 cross channel, 1910 winner of 500 mile Circuit de l’Est, 1910 winner Gordon Bennett Trophy, 1910 first crossing of Alps; 1911 winner of Paris-Rome race and Daily Mail Circuit of Britain; 1913 Pegoud aerobatic shows.
Bellanca CD, 1916, first in the Bellanca line.
Blackburn Mercury, D and E monoplanes, 1911 to 1912.
Caudron G.III and G.IV, WWI reconnaissance, bombing, training.
Deperdussin, 1912 and 1913, Gordon Bennett Trophy, 124 mph world record in 1913; float plane type won first Schneider Trophy race in 1913.
Fokker Eindecker, 1915, first machine gun synchronized with prop, “Fokker Scourge”.
Morane-Borel, 1911 winner of Paris to Madrid race.
Morane-Saulnier G, 1913 Roland Garros first across Mediterranean 7 hrs 53 min non-stop.
Morane-Saulnier L, first air-to-air Zeppelin destruction; first firing through prop arc.
Nieuport II, 1911, won Gordon Bennett Trophy and world speed record with a 30 hp two cylinder engine.
Nieuport IV, 1913 first loop, Pytor Nestorev in Russia; 2500 km flight around the North Sea; flights from Paris to Cairo.
Nieuport VI, WWI, served France, Italy, Japan, Russia as landplanes and seaplanes.
R.E.P. 1908, first joystick and rudder cockpit controls (which won the patent dispute).
R.E.P. Type N, WWI reconnaissance.
Royal Aircraft Factory B.E.2a, 1913, 650 non-stop flight to win Britannia Trophy; WWI reconnaissance.
Sopwith Tabloid, 1914 Schneider Trophy winner, 95 mph world seaplane record; 1914 first bombing raid on German soil resulting in first Zeppelin destruction on ground.
Santos-Dumont ‘Demoiselle’ 1909.
Taubes (Etrich, Rumpler, etc.) WWI reconnaissance.
Wing warping sistem. Eduard Gallaudet in 1897 New York, usa, tests. And similar sistem octave channut patent 1897, usa trade marks for one motorized glider.
A system that might have worked on slow, stick and cloth wings, built with enough lateral flexibility to enable warping
Deimoselle was made in 1907, you can research how Santos Dummont used the same thing if the Wrights only appeared in 1908???? Do not proceed with your information.
BRAZIIIL :D
25:08 my own personal flying car!
interesting
The true inventor of the plane
Santos DUMONT THE real inventor of plane
The truth IS Alberto Santos Dumont, the real thing! This world are full of the Brothers and others, everywhere, waiting for someone's ideas to copy, use and take advantage. These kind of individuals are empty and hollow, cowards, without any gift, or inspiration. The only thing this kind of individuals have in their minds are how to show themselves as someone (which they are not) and make profits using others' real thing as so speaking. Pathetic indeed. The truth IS Alberto Santos Dumont, the real thing!
itis4peace What about the Smeaton Coefficient? Did Dumont use Lilienthal's inaccurate formulation of the Smeaton Coefficient? Or did he appropriate the Wright brothers' research regarding the Smeaton Coefficient? If Dumont appropriated the Wrights' research, then Dumont is clearly guilty of intellectual theft.
itis4peace You have it backwards. It was Santos Dumont who copied the Wrights' wing-warping technology, not the other way around.
+Jindle no, drummond invented a plane with own propulsion, you brothers invented the glider
Alberto Santos Dumont never existed. He's a mythical character in an imaginary tale fabricated to assuage the inadequate self image of a certain third world nation.
@@louisdaguerre6002 proofs please.
Sou da família dele meu nome tem santos.
Sendo assim, sou também apesar de não levar o Santos do sobrenome de minha mãe .
Meu avô materno era mineiro e em seu sobrenome tinha Santos. 😁👍
😆😆😆😆😆
Great video. Pity the commentary is intermittently in the present tense. Really annoying to me as it was a long time in the past. Of course it gets mixed up with past tense at lot. Make up your mind, past tense, present tense. Is it now or 1903-10? Historians should know.
Don't argue with Americans they are always right !00%.....LOL
"00%" so you mean they're always wrong
They could be 100 percent wrong.
Santos-Dumont flew 722 ft in an uncontrolled plane and crash landed and the Wright Brothers flew for 24 miles with complete control and landed safely a full year earlier. The Wright Brothers are the godfathers of Aviation.
Hi mate you are not supposed to lie the true it’s the other way around
@@marcio4u123 --I'm interested to hear your argument for the primacy of Santos Dumont.
@@cardinalrg5114 please pay attention to the Americans experts for a estate tv talking about Santos Dumont it can not be unbiased than that and NASA given a name to a creator on the moon not to the white brothers so I hope it’s make sense
@@marcio4u123 --Sorry, your comment isn’t clear in English. Perhaps you might try translation software? Otherwise thanks for trying, all the same.
@@cardinalrg5114 yeah yeah very convenient your excuse I will try Chinese next time , just watch the documentary properly if will
The 1906 Bagatelle Field film proves the original 14bis can't fly. The 1906 film just shows a short uncontrolled hop. That's why the modern replica of the 14bis needs a modern engine, a modern propeller, and modern technology to make it fly due to faults in the original design. Dumont was a complete fake.
Louis Daguerre ....ohhh yes let’s trust Hollywood then not history also don’t forget to ask nasa for his name to be removed from the moon
@@marcio4u123 NASA explores the solar system and beyond while Brazil lies about Santos Dumont.
The video's various commentators do not confirm this.
The film shows Dumont and flight and has more photos and official registration.
nice..That is soo cool..I never knew that it was him not the Wright Brothers
+Ariana Wolkerstorfer Believe me, so listening to this already and gratifying message, many of our inventions as the typewriter or the radio never led credits, mainly from Santos Dumont, who killed himself to discover that his inventions: Airships and Planes were being used for war .
It wasn't. Do a little research. Facts are an amazing thing.
Slingshoting its not the same of flying. Thx.
@@garywboisseau facts are facts the brothers's replicas don't to fly. But the Dumont's réplicas fly.
The first OFFICIAL airplane flight in history. 14-bis.
like the Manhattan project
WHAT HAVE I DONE
well same for the airship he hoped to talk
but the airplane made war just that bit worse for mankind
Dumont The great Eagle
Totally fake. The only way the 14-bis flies is with a modern Rotax aero engine and a modern propeller.
========ALBERTO SANTOS DUMONT X WERNHER VON BRAUN-- FANTASTIC=======\\\\
Not a short flight. the Wright's first flight of the day broke four records, wining several prises. They flew seven kilometres, doing a figure eight and rising to a record altitude, wining several prises.
When Santos Dumont flew the 14 bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) the 1903 Flyer, which took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) while remaining in the air 59 seconds; 2) the 1904 Flyer which also took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet; and 3) the 1905 Flyer which also took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including several circular maneuvers. On the other hand, Santos Dumont's 14-bis was uncontrollable and was only capable of flying short distances in a straight line.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ok, prove everything you are saying with photos and data from that time. Where are the official records, confirmed and approved by American scientific institutions of the time? You don't want us to believe it just because you say so, do you? Then, your information about Santos Dumont's achievements is flawed, you are distorting the facts!
So, explain the fiasco of the centenary celebrations in 2003, without using the cliché excuses of weather conditions, which everyone uses, because those who depend on it are gliders. And this is not the only 1903 replica that didn't fly, 3 others didn't fly either! As for the flights on other dates, there is no proof, just information sent by telegram to the newspaper by the wrigths themselves, something very suspicious!😚🤔🤨
This statement looks like a white lie...whos NASA name a place in the moon? It was Santos Dumont
Just Google santos dumont moon
Just Google santos dumont moon
Just Google santos dumont moon
Just Google santos dumont moon
So what? NASA named a crater on the moon after him. They did it out of respect. It says nothing of him being the father of flight. Take a breath...
GREAT PERSONA HE WAS
Sorry Marcio, but the 14bis was not the first airplane to fly in 1906. The Wright brothers have that honor, on December 17, 1903. Santo-Dumont's earlier flying machines were dirigible ballons, not airplanes.
14bis was in many ways more properly classified as an aviation "experiment" rather than a true airplane capable of controlled flight. Even an experienced pilot crashed the reproduction that used to fly at Brazialiam airshows in just the smallest crosswind.
One can say this and still admire Santos-Dumont as an inventor and daredevil. Santos-Dumont eventually designed the Damoiselle, an airplane far superior to anything the Wrights ever made. The great significance of Santos-Dumont was his willingness to discard ideas and adopt radically new ones from his failures.
?????? Nothing in your brain, idiot. The Ernest Archdeacon Record, signed in 1906 declare this concept. THE ARCHDEACON DECLARATION FOR DUMONT, " FIRST MUNDIAL RECORD OF AVIATION ".
Don't exist similar declarations or official Wright brothers's records between 1903 1907.
I don't know what Brazilian propaganda you have been listening to, but the Wrights documented everything they did very carefully from 1903 and on, including witness accounts, plans, photos and motion pictures. All of this was examined very thoroughly by the US Patent Office, every official aeronautical society and the US Court system in the lawsuit againt Glenn Curtiss.
@@altbob The authorities of the United States analyzed the alleged evidence of the supposed first flight of an airplane, where coincidentally the inventors were also people of the United States. This is very convenient.
@@EEntretenimento "every official aeronautical society" includes all of the European authorities. There was no conspiracy. The facts and history are clear.
The 14 Bis is a stable layout and makes a very good free flight scale model
Aos 003' o piloto A. Dumond está em uma cesta de balão. O balão N-14 ou Número 14 é uma cesta de balão com asas em forma de caixa. Ele não voava, apenas dava uns pulinhos.
baseado em que fala essa mentira?Olhe os vídeos das replicas do 14-bis em Caldas Novas e veja como de fato o 14-bis voava !
Quanta mentira você fala hein, otario.
@@gilbertonedeljunior4825 realmente esse Boas Novas não tem a mínima idéia do que escreve.
Negão, tu ainda estás com esta merda dos wright na tua cabeça!!! Não entendeu ainda que tu e mais uma cambada de canalhas não apresentam nunca as provas oficiais com fotos que os dois filhos de uma égua tenham voado antes.!!! Vai dormir, cara!!!!
E o que tu vais dizer pra merda dos wright que fica direto no chão!!!
This "replica" is of limited historical value because it incorporates a modern engine and propeller.
Look the original video in TH-cam, 1906. Santos Dumont in flight.
The problem is that you won't explain the ability to fly featured in the 1906 footage!!! 😆😆😆😆👏
Eles queriam está no ar de uma maneira ou de outra .
He might have invented flight but the Wrights invented controlled flight..