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love that advice to get smaller plants. my granddad was a great gardener. the best advice he ever gave me for picking out plants was to ignore the temptation to buy the plant covered in flowers. instead he said to pick out plants that are getting ready to flower, where the best is yet to come. go for something that hasn't lost its chance to be a great plant by being in a smaller pot for too long. it's such good advice to go for smaller plants. not runty or showing signs of problems, just smaller and healthy. thanks for the videos dude, i always enjoy them.
When I buy my redwoods, I go by base diameter, rather than height (bcoz I cannot measure their height accurately). I won't even consider any diameter below 30' :-)
Yeah, I agree. The smaller the tree in the pot, the better shape of the root system growing. When they are small, the trees' root system can extend further around, instead of tangle in a lobe in the case of big trees. I think we can amend the bigger trees ' roots by cut around the pots then straight out the roots. It would help, but even this method is not very useful when the roots already bounced seriously inside the pots.
Love the honesty,Pete. Most people would probably want to make more money selling a bigger tree even though it's not the best choice for the customer OR the tree.
So much truth to this. Living in South Florida this hits home to me. I have planted numerous 3 gallon fruit trees in the yard and in about a year with proper tipping and pruning they look great and should be great producers in the coming years!
Great video, Pete. These are my favorite kinds of videos that you make. I love when you talk about your experiences, and what you look for in trees you're buying. I'm about to plant a couple of trees out in my yard tomorrow, and I SO appreciate the reinforcement for doing nothing in the holes I've dug for them.
Spring Hill is beautiful. Some of the most perfect beaches with wildlife still intact, swimming with dolphins, sting rays...one of the best sushi places, located there. This content is priceless and certainly informative.
In the spring when the ground is soaked, we can pull out of the ground a 4,5,6 foot root on a tiny tiny elm sapling along a pathway. The taproot on a tree is very important, and a tree starts with the taproot, unless the tree is transplanted, it's so vital for the tree. We've had many transplanted trees die due to surface conditions, things like a drought year, or a flood year, or details of the surface soil, things that wouldn't matter as much if the tree was intact as it is when it grows from seed in one spot.
One of the trees I bought from you like a month ago was a starfruit. I planted it soon after and the thing has 7 fruits on it. I thought the dragon fruit I got was kinda Charlie Brown Xmas tree looking but boy was I wrong, it is growing crazy! Oh and I won't even mention the Jack fruit, I can see the growth from when I leave for work and when I get home.
Great video Pete! But damn that instant gratification can be tempting! My nana always said that about small plants growing better; so it seems to be the same with cold hardy plants too.
The way I see it, I can buy 3 different trees for the price of one bigger one. I agree though, I have seen this with mango trees, a big tree, has a harder time establishing itself once planted in the ground, while one in a 1-3 gallon pot, takes off right away. that tap root, makes its way deep down, I think it will be more drought tolerant in the long run.
Oh, a larger Jaboticaba my dream tree. Butterfly World down here has them in an aviary with small colorful finches, little button quail and some hummingbirds. Their beautiful little branches are perfect in an aviary like that too.
In FL, yes. In climates where the ph is high, and or winter to deal with, mature is usually better because most customers are not equipped to baby a young plant.
good advice, thanks. I'm just really getting started on my little grove here in Spring Hill. I've been watching your videos since before I moved to Florida and I must say I'm quite excited to finally get stuff planted.
A lot of the big box store garden centers don't have small trees, just the big ones for the most part. A nursery is probably a better option for selection, and the prices are comparable. Star fruit trees are amazing. I bought one that wasn't as tall as me, and it shot up like a rocket in weeks. It's about 25 feet tall now, and it's been about 7 years. Star fruit trees are so prolific you might almost be sorry you got it. I understand that the seeds sprout easily also, but I've not tried that.
Thanks for the info! Same can also be said about the vegetable plants, especially tomatoes -- many sell them in big containers -- 2 to 3 feet high plants! I would rather buy a 6-pack -- I know, I know its better to grow them yourselves from seeds, but once I am there, I cannot resist buying a few of those 6-packs! :-)
Its nice to see business people who actually care about people and not just the profit! So thank you for what you do and I hope it continues for a long time to come!
While that's true, it's not even good business for most nurseries to sell them big. The reason they are so expensive is because there is a lot fo cost involved in keeping them in pots so long in terms of space, time and expenditures. I'm sure there are exceptions, but most nurseries would love to sell everything they produce at small sizes to free up room for the next batch. But not every tree gets sold when it was intended to be sold, so instead of eating the loss they'll repot them and hope somebody wants the big tree.
I just planted 2 Elderberry's that you shipped to me when this situation happened. They grew in small pots and already 3 feet tall. One is bushy and the other one lengthy. Planted straight into native Florida Soil. Great Advice and information as always.
Thanks bud. I appreciate it. I planted 500 18-24" black walnuts and they cost me 700$. If I had purchased 5 year saplings at 36-48" I would have spent 2200$
Happy I seen this but I bought a 6 ft lancetilla mango tree and was wondering if I should wait to plant it till the spring? It was in a 7 gallon pot but I replanted it in a 15 gallon pot. Also bought a smaller millika and valencia pride. They told me to wait. What do you think?
Hey Pete,‼️ I’d like some info on tipping plants and how to prune plants. I grow lots of Mulberry, Surinam cherry, Barbados cherry, and avocados. I focus on edibles mostly, is there any sources books, etc... Or maybe some videos on proper pruning techniques to make our plants stronger, fuller, and bare more fruit. Thanks! Love your channel and content. Keep on growing on Bro! 👍💪
Ed Parchment I found the Barbados at a nursery called Valkaria Gardens. The Surinam cherry I found one growing in Vero Beach and gathered up a bunch of cherries and planted the seed. Now I just take cuttings from both to make more plants.
Starting a new food forest right now and this video was great! 3 years ago we moved to FL and bought a large mango. It still hasn’t fruited🤦🏼♀️. But the smaller avocado trees and small fig have all fruited and grown so much faster than the big mango! Buying all small trees this time around AND buying a lot more knowing fruit won’t start for 2-3 years.
Wow just found your Channel and subbed little brother. So glad I watched this I won't be doing anything to the soil and just top dressing like you said. Got some fruit trees coming. Great advice thanks and greeting from the Mississippi gulf coast 👍 !!!
Interesting points. Thank you for sharing. I think you would make this video clips even better with filming around to let us check out on your fruit trees. Between the points, sharing your particular experiences with the specific fruit trees. If possible, let us know about the prices too. We would rather check on the plants than looking up close to your face in the entire clip.
I agree 💯! Not only in trees also in plants like tomatoes. If you plant a small plant it will surpass a larger plant and end up larger and stronger and produce more fruit!
I just visited your website and about died at your list of plants available! Incredible 29 varieties of bananas and mangos!!! i'm so excited to move to Florida even more. What if your native soil totally sucks like caliche or just super sandy, what would be an affordable mix to make it better? I like the top dressing idea that makes a lot of sense.
Thanks! Continually adding new varieties and species to the plant list. We find tree mulch as the key to building soil in Florida. It is typically free and readily available.
What you say makes sense in the ideal environment with lots of rain and humidity. If you are trying to grow in a different climate such as in a dry mediterranean one there is benefit to starting with a bigger tree. Smaller trees that you are advocating would get decimated in dry heat even if cared for and with shade cloth. Whereas larger trees I have found are much more resilient because the drying winds don't affect them that much.
My Christmas loquat fruit was great. The squirrels allowed me a couple. It's planted up the hill by my abandoned hottub that's full of frogs and lilies andstuff. It only gets rain water and frog water when needed. No amendments. It's a loquat.
Totally agree--small is the way to go except for very slow growing trees. Big container trees are generally unhealthy and root bound and slowly decline. My 3 gallon always beat out the 15 gallon within a year or 2.
Great topic. So true! Old Pasco Hillsborough citrus grower here.. we planted sticks.. easier to protect in a freeze..once those roots got down they Blew Up! A lot easier to simply replace underperformers while they're still small.. can't get too sentimental about the runts of the litter.. they're not puppies ha ha. Also nice to cull untasty fruiters before you've invested a lot.
Hey David! Thanks for sharing your experience. Have you been keeping up with any of the new research on citrus greening? I’ve had a few clients reach out trying new experimental groves.
@@PeteKanarisGreenDreamsFL looking into the latest. Over time, I'm not alone in noticing how citrus under oaks is clean of greening. Although supposedly a host for the psyllid vector, interplanted guava seems to draw the greening away from citrus. My guess is that rather than singular "magic bullets", good ol' biodiversity, interplanting and yes, "weeds" are -as usual- the answer, at least for smaller growers. Love your work, Pete; this part of Florida was always a transitional belt, now in transitional times, and your efforts to decipher what works here are invaluable !
I would say this hits home for bushes too. I bought a few blueberry bush and the bushes that game in the 2 gallon pot and the 3 gallon pots have barely grown while the bushes in the quart soil are around the same size as the 2 gallon pot at this point. They are not as thick but they are the same size. I am sure by the end of the year the stems will be just as thick.
Nice video Pete, I agree, I have had very bad experience with older trees (2 years or older). They are filled with fertilizers and when I plant them in soil, they need 2-3 years to start growing normally. Before that they hardly grow. They are also extremely impossible to train/prune when young. Training a young tree is very important and deciding on tree shape and health. Older trees are not trained, they are only maintained in size. These older saplings like to die back when pruned the way you prune a young one. So I am not buying and old saplings anymore, although there are a few exceptions as you mentioned Pete.
That's been my experience too, to a point. There does seem to be a minimum size that plants need to be babied to. If you plant before that you really need to be on top of keeping weeds off them and keeping an eye out for pests because a few weeks without attention can be enough to seriously stunt or even kill them. But in general when I plant small trees and large ones from last season at the same time in 2-3 years time the smaller one has overtaken the big one and is doing better.
It's really is because of the roots, 100%. Something I have learnt doing hydroponic growing of veggies. Seedling starts growing on top slowly, but underneath the roots go nuts, and then boom, out of nowhere, the plant decides its time for leaf growth. I have seen everything from pumpkins, capsicums, even a lemon seed I did as a joke follow the same pattern. Roots develop first. You can see it most in annual veggie seedlings, you plant them and for weeks doesn't look like much growth and then they just lurch forward. All our fruit trees we got from a local company, as they are fruit salad ones, and they came really small for this reason, but our summer has sucked this year, I mean I have the heater on a few times this last week and we normally have nice 30-35C+ days lol. So they have not had much growth.
My small pot trees have all outperformed the big pot trees once in the ground. It's so obvious its not even up for dispute. I watched this year's ago and took the advice. 🤙
I live in Maine , my sons bought me a peach tree that looks to be 7 years old at least. it has peaches on it. we don't know if we should tie it up or not. it's bending already, but i watcched my friends peach tree grow for 7 years and the branches broke when it yeilded fruit, even tho it was young when he planted it.
Thin the fruit to avoid breaking branches. Remove the fruit from thin weak branches and from the ends of branches too weak to hold the fruit. Thinning the fruit early on will also provide better quality fruit
So agree...learned this a long time ago. In addition, don't necessarily buy the largest plant it may be root bound, as well as some girdling roots. Look for shape & health. A smaller tree, well prepped & planted, will adapt better with less overall root damage--and, as you have well said, established more easily & faster.
Get a two year old one and be patient then! 😂. Fruit trees aren't very long lived, and fruit production reduces when they get older (espt with plums). Wild cherries only really love to about 60 years
Agree. Buying big fruit trees only good if you want to keep it in pots. If you put it in the ground, they will sit for long long time until they have better roots system
I bought a 10 gallon peach tree that’s almost fruiting for 44.50. I have found a farm that sells younger trees but I’m wondering how many trees I need to plant to make a profit.
When I go to big box stores if I see small fruit trees with fruit I take it off and throw it in the dirt , I like to think I’m helping someone out and the tree itself!
Pete: About 30 years ago a friend who sold a unique tree guard he invented (brand name: Blue Shield) told me buying/planting nursery saplings was a waste of money. He clamed planting seeds with "Blue Shield" would stimulate growth extremely fast, adjust to the native soil better than seedlings, and over take large transplants within 1-3 years. I asked about watering. He told me some seeds need to be revisited and watered. I don't remember the details. Was he correct? What's your opinion on the Growasis? They provide constant water (for about a year), sun filter, animal protection and ground cover. I wouldn't buy one without the filter which is sold separate. I believe the filter was an afterthought and a big mistake not to include automatically, even integrate into the original design. What's your guess or do you have first hand knowledge?
I bought a Groasis, but not a Growbox. It's pretty big and sturdy, re-useable but a little more expensive than the compostable Growbox. But I don't live in a aird/desert area, so I didn't get the chance to really try it out - was worried about mosquitoes, etc where I live. It was one of those projects that I didn't get around to trying out somewhere in an arid climate with the right tree combos and some swales :) If someone has the budget and the right project, then it seems like something to look into. It might be truly a way to re-vegetate some arid land.
I always take your advice and it always works...ain't your first rodeo huh...but dayam it's hard, but you get used to it, the proof is in the growth...thanks...!
I have been feeding my two grafted avocado trees once a week with kelp water and they are shooting up like weeds last year I let one set fruit and they got the side of a golf ball before a squirrel or a ratcoon got to them so this year I cut all the fruit off to let them get bigger the trees are only 4’ and 3 ‘
you are right! well, i started by planting the seeds..need lot of patience and time but in the end when trees bear fruits just how words cant explain the feelings..SubhanAllah...
I received a Glenn mango tree and it is just one main stem. When should I clip off the top to help the tree to branch out? I love in Crestview FL and I plan to keep my tree in a greenhouse. Thanks
Sharing my experience here to affirm and agree with Pete's advice and experience on this video. And, in general I might add "he knows his "what's growin' on" business". My experience/opinion is from being a designer and with 35+ years' experience with Intentional Communities, Landscapes, Swimming Pools, Ponds, Lakes, Greenhouses, Orchards, most anything outdoors, in many states from the Pacific Northwest, to Florida, to Southern California and Hawaii. The first 1-3 pruning cuts you make on a fruit tree will help determine it's future branching structure, it's ability to support fruit loads, how easy it is to maintain, spray, harvest, etc. Trees, in general, that are encouraged to spread their roots into and adapt to the native soil will do best. That encompasses selecting the right tree/variety for the environment so, in support of those like Pete who study this, while it's fun to "DIY" and experience "the learning curve" there is a value in having professional help. This includes drainage, irrigation, plant selection, and the "what to put where" of things with structures and gardens. Great video here, good information and great to see so much public interest in things more sustainable and friendly for our Planet! Go Pete!
the roots are tangled and not able to grow , one root may be choking the entire tree because it is not going down 3 ft but wrapped around the tree for 3ft
So I am impressed by the video and little confused: What should be the height of small trees you are suggesting? Like mango is it good to buy 5-6 feet height tree or 1-2 feet height tree? Thank you so much. You are the most wonderful inspiration!!
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love that advice to get smaller plants. my granddad was a great gardener. the best advice he ever gave me for picking out plants was to ignore the temptation to buy the plant covered in flowers. instead he said to pick out plants that are getting ready to flower, where the best is yet to come. go for something that hasn't lost its chance to be a great plant by being in a smaller pot for too long. it's such good advice to go for smaller plants. not runty or showing signs of problems, just smaller and healthy. thanks for the videos dude, i always enjoy them.
You were taught by a wise man! 👊
Love the honesty.So many would be trying to sell the big trees
I guess I'll cancel my order for that 200' redwood.
Thanks Pete.
Lol...I thought that was 250' ?
@@jeff6899- fedex has some sort of a limit apparently
Anything bigger than 100' for a redwood is just a waste of money.
When I buy my redwoods, I go by base diameter, rather than height (bcoz I cannot measure their height accurately). I won't even consider any diameter below 30' :-)
Exactly. I grew avocados subtropicals and citrus in Santa Barbara for 25 years. This man is giving you the straight scoop.
Thanks Steve! 🙌
I planted 12 mango trees last year 1/2 3 gallon 1/2 7 gallon. All are doing great but every 3 gallon is actually bigger now than every 7 gallon.
Boom! This is what I’m talking about. Thanks for sharing 👊
Yeah, I agree. The smaller the tree in the pot, the better shape of the root system growing. When they are small, the trees' root system can extend further around, instead of tangle in a lobe in the case of big trees. I think we can amend the bigger trees ' roots by cut around the pots then straight out the roots. It would help, but even this method is not very useful when the roots already bounced seriously inside the pots.
I got about 20 different fruit tree now I need to learn to graff
I love your honesty,rare to find now a days,God bless you
Thanks 🙏
Love the honesty,Pete. Most people would probably want to make more money selling a bigger tree even though it's not the best choice for the customer OR the tree.
Got to keep it real! 👊
So much truth to this. Living in South Florida this hits home to me. I have planted numerous 3 gallon fruit trees in the yard and in about a year with proper tipping and pruning they look great and should be great producers in the coming years!
joutlaw50 glad to hear this! Thanks for sharing 🙏
Great video, Pete. These are my favorite kinds of videos that you make. I love when you talk about your experiences, and what you look for in trees you're buying. I'm about to plant a couple of trees out in my yard tomorrow, and I SO appreciate the reinforcement for doing nothing in the holes I've dug for them.
Glad to share Chip! 👊
Spring Hill is beautiful. Some of the most perfect beaches with wildlife still intact, swimming with dolphins, sting rays...one of the best sushi places, located there.
This content is priceless and certainly informative.
In the spring when the ground is soaked, we can pull out of the ground a 4,5,6 foot root on a tiny tiny elm sapling along a pathway. The taproot on a tree is very important, and a tree starts with the taproot, unless the tree is transplanted, it's so vital for the tree. We've had many transplanted trees die due to surface conditions, things like a drought year, or a flood year, or details of the surface soil, things that wouldn't matter as much if the tree was intact as it is when it grows from seed in one spot.
One of the trees I bought from you like a month ago was a starfruit. I planted it soon after and the thing has 7 fruits on it. I thought the dragon fruit I got was kinda Charlie Brown Xmas tree looking but boy was I wrong, it is growing crazy! Oh and I won't even mention the Jack fruit, I can see the growth from when I leave for work and when I get home.
Love it!! Thanks for sharing 👊
Thanks for sharing video and amazing information. Planted 3 ft figs trees this past April and already have fruit.
Awesomeness!! 🙌
Great video Pete! But damn that instant gratification can be tempting! My nana always said that about small plants growing better; so it seems to be the same with cold hardy plants too.
Thanks! I know it’s so tempting but worth the wait 👊
The way I see it, I can buy 3 different trees for the price of one bigger one. I agree though, I have seen this with mango trees, a big tree, has a harder time establishing itself once planted in the ground, while one in a 1-3 gallon pot, takes off right away. that tap root, makes its way deep down, I think it will be more drought tolerant in the long run.
Oh, a larger Jaboticaba my dream tree. Butterfly World down here has them in an aviary with small colorful finches, little button quail and some hummingbirds. Their beautiful little branches are perfect in an aviary like that too.
Thank you for that piece of advice, and it totally makes sense!
Thank you for the advice. I love that you always share the long term investment view of the plants you talk about.
In FL, yes. In climates where the ph is high, and or winter to deal with, mature is usually better because most customers are not equipped to baby a young plant.
good advice, thanks. I'm just really getting started on my little grove here in Spring Hill. I've been watching your videos since before I moved to Florida and I must say I'm quite excited to finally get stuff planted.
Glad to share! Thanks 👊
A lot of the big box store garden centers don't have small trees, just the big ones for the most part. A nursery is probably a better option for selection, and the prices are comparable. Star fruit trees are amazing. I bought one that wasn't as tall as me, and it shot up like a rocket in weeks. It's about 25 feet tall now, and it's been about 7 years. Star fruit trees are so prolific you might almost be sorry you got it. I understand that the seeds sprout easily also, but I've not tried that.
u.really knws alot bout trees... thanks for sharin' ur best opinions...
but pete, if I just want fruit - not a big tree, can I let my mango or avocado fruit on the pot - on its first fruiting?
Thanks for the info! Same can also be said about the vegetable plants, especially tomatoes -- many sell them in big containers -- 2 to 3 feet high plants! I would rather buy a 6-pack -- I know, I know its better to grow them yourselves from seeds, but once I am there, I cannot resist buying a few of those 6-packs! :-)
Its nice to see business people who actually care about people and not just the profit! So thank you for what you do and I hope it continues for a long time to come!
Thanks Brandon! 👊
While that's true, it's not even good business for most nurseries to sell them big. The reason they are so expensive is because there is a lot fo cost involved in keeping them in pots so long in terms of space, time and expenditures. I'm sure there are exceptions, but most nurseries would love to sell everything they produce at small sizes to free up room for the next batch. But not every tree gets sold when it was intended to be sold, so instead of eating the loss they'll repot them and hope somebody wants the big tree.
I just planted 2 Elderberry's that you shipped to me when this situation happened. They grew in small pots and already 3 feet tall. One is bushy and the other one lengthy. Planted straight into native Florida Soil. Great Advice and information as always.
Thanks bud. I appreciate it. I planted 500 18-24" black walnuts and they cost me 700$. If I had purchased 5 year saplings at 36-48" I would have spent 2200$
Happy I seen this but I bought a 6 ft lancetilla mango tree and was wondering if I should wait to plant it till the spring? It was in a 7 gallon pot but I replanted it in a 15 gallon pot. Also bought a smaller millika and valencia pride. They told me to wait. What do you think?
Still time but getting late in the season before the cold comes..
So on point with this video. Thanks for confirming what I have been starting to believe.
Thank you Pete for all the good advice. Love these videos
Hey Pete,‼️
I’d like some info on tipping plants and how to prune plants. I grow lots of Mulberry, Surinam cherry, Barbados cherry, and avocados. I focus on edibles mostly, is there any sources books, etc...
Or maybe some videos on proper pruning techniques to make our plants stronger, fuller, and bare more fruit.
Thanks! Love your channel and content. Keep on growing on Bro! 👍💪
I would like this info too.
I’ll make a very specific video very soon. I have one now for mangoes.
No a reply, but rather a question. Where did you get your Barbados, and Suriname cherries? I have looked with no luck. Please let ,etc know. Thanks
Ed Parchment I found the Barbados at a nursery called Valkaria Gardens. The Surinam cherry I found one growing in Vero Beach and gathered up a bunch of cherries and planted the seed. Now I just take cuttings from both to make more plants.
@@TheOutdoorsDaddy I thought cherries did not grow true to seed?
Starting a new food forest right now and this video was great! 3 years ago we moved to FL and bought a large mango. It still hasn’t fruited🤦🏼♀️. But the smaller avocado trees and small fig have all fruited and grown so much faster than the big mango! Buying all small trees this time around AND buying a lot more knowing fruit won’t start for 2-3 years.
Awesome! Glad to share 😊
Thanks for a great video and advice, I like growing seedlings and grafting onto them after they get old enough.
Nice!
Excellent vid - there's not one I watch where I don't learn something.
Wow just found your Channel and subbed little brother. So glad I watched this I won't be doing anything to the soil and just top dressing like you said. Got some fruit trees coming. Great advice thanks and greeting from the Mississippi gulf coast 👍 !!!
That works forabout all trees. I have planted plenty of wood lots. Always use small seedlings.
Interesting points. Thank you for sharing. I think you would make this video clips even better with filming around to let us check out on your fruit trees. Between the points, sharing your particular experiences with the specific fruit trees. If possible, let us know about the prices too. We would rather check on the plants than looking up close to your face in the entire clip.
I agree 💯! Not only in trees also in plants like tomatoes. If you plant a small plant it will surpass a larger plant and end up larger and stronger and produce more fruit!
What is growing up? Keep spreading the word!
I just visited your website and about died at your list of plants available! Incredible 29 varieties of bananas and mangos!!! i'm so excited to move to Florida even more.
What if your native soil totally sucks like caliche or just super sandy, what would be an affordable mix to make it better? I like the top dressing idea that makes a lot of sense.
Thanks! Continually adding new varieties and species to the plant list. We find tree mulch as the key to building soil in Florida. It is typically free and readily available.
What you say makes sense in the ideal environment with lots of rain and humidity. If you are trying to grow in a different climate such as in a dry mediterranean one there is benefit to starting with a bigger tree. Smaller trees that you are advocating would get decimated in dry heat even if cared for and with shade cloth. Whereas larger trees I have found are much more resilient because the drying winds don't affect them that much.
My Christmas loquat fruit was great. The squirrels allowed me a couple. It's planted up the hill by my abandoned hottub that's full of frogs and lilies andstuff. It only gets rain water and frog water when needed. No amendments. It's a loquat.
Totally agree--small is the way to go except for very slow growing trees. Big container trees are generally unhealthy and root bound and slowly decline. My 3 gallon always beat out the 15 gallon within a year or 2.
Great topic. So true! Old Pasco Hillsborough citrus grower here.. we planted sticks.. easier to protect in a freeze..once those roots got down they Blew Up! A lot easier to simply replace underperformers while they're still small.. can't get too sentimental about the runts of the litter.. they're not puppies ha ha. Also nice to cull untasty fruiters before you've invested a lot.
Hey David! Thanks for sharing your experience. Have you been keeping up with any of the new research on citrus greening? I’ve had a few clients reach out trying new experimental groves.
@@PeteKanarisGreenDreamsFL looking into the latest. Over time, I'm not alone in noticing how citrus under oaks is clean of greening. Although supposedly a host for the psyllid vector, interplanted guava seems to draw the greening away from citrus. My guess is that rather than singular "magic bullets", good ol' biodiversity, interplanting and yes, "weeds" are -as usual- the answer, at least for smaller growers. Love your work, Pete; this part of Florida was always a transitional belt, now in transitional times, and your efforts to decipher what works here are invaluable !
I would say this hits home for bushes too. I bought a few blueberry bush and the bushes that game in the 2 gallon pot and the 3 gallon pots have barely grown while the bushes in the quart soil are around the same size as the 2 gallon pot at this point. They are not as thick but they are the same size. I am sure by the end of the year the stems will be just as thick.
Thanks for info I bought a few on eBay and most producers are from FL
Awesome!
Nice video Pete, I agree,
I have had very bad experience with older trees (2 years or older).
They are filled with fertilizers and when I plant them in soil, they need 2-3 years to start growing normally. Before that they hardly grow.
They are also extremely impossible to train/prune when young. Training a young tree is very important and deciding on tree shape and health. Older trees are not trained, they are only maintained in size. These older saplings like to die back when pruned the way you prune a young one.
So I am not buying and old saplings anymore, although there are a few exceptions as you mentioned Pete.
Pete, thank you for all you hard work.
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That's been my experience too, to a point. There does seem to be a minimum size that plants need to be babied to. If you plant before that you really need to be on top of keeping weeds off them and keeping an eye out for pests because a few weeks without attention can be enough to seriously stunt or even kill them.
But in general when I plant small trees and large ones from last season at the same time in 2-3 years time the smaller one has overtaken the big one and is doing better.
It's really is because of the roots, 100%. Something I have learnt doing hydroponic growing of veggies. Seedling starts growing on top slowly, but underneath the roots go nuts, and then boom, out of nowhere, the plant decides its time for leaf growth. I have seen everything from pumpkins, capsicums, even a lemon seed I did as a joke follow the same pattern. Roots develop first.
You can see it most in annual veggie seedlings, you plant them and for weeks doesn't look like much growth and then they just lurch forward.
All our fruit trees we got from a local company, as they are fruit salad ones, and they came really small for this reason, but our summer has sucked this year, I mean I have the heater on a few times this last week and we normally have nice 30-35C+ days lol. So they have not had much growth.
I appreciate your advice and content. Thanks !
Is this true in all garden zones i live in Scandinavia zone 8
My small pot trees have all outperformed the big pot trees once in the ground. It's so obvious its not even up for dispute. I watched this year's ago and took the advice. 🤙
Yeah usually always the case!
He’s talking about a mango, he’s talking about an avocado, he’s talking about a sapodilla, he’s talking about a starfruit... 🤣
@2:16 @4:21 @5:19 @7:36
I live in Maine , my sons bought me a peach tree that looks to be 7 years old at least. it has peaches on it. we don't know if we should tie it up or not. it's bending already, but i watcched my friends peach tree grow for 7 years and the branches broke when it yeilded fruit, even tho it was young when he planted it.
Thin the fruit to avoid breaking branches. Remove the fruit from thin weak branches and from the ends of branches too weak to hold the fruit. Thinning the fruit early on will also provide better quality fruit
Also I have been wanting to grow dates & some other types of fruit trees. Could you point me to a good seed suplier? Or a few good seed supliers?
Nice, thanks for the advice.
So agree...learned this a long time ago. In addition, don't necessarily buy the largest plant it may be root bound, as well as some girdling roots. Look for shape & health. A smaller tree, well prepped & planted, will adapt better with less overall root damage--and, as you have well said, established more easily & faster.
Thanks Jeff! Some one commented maybe for Florida but not Arizona... glad to get your input! 🙌
Agree, but the eye wants also something. I have a 50+ year old pear tree on my wishlist. They are gorgeous.
Get a two year old one and be patient then! 😂. Fruit trees aren't very long lived, and fruit production reduces when they get older (espt with plums). Wild cherries only really love to about 60 years
Agree. Buying big fruit trees only good if you want to keep it in pots. If you put it in the ground, they will sit for long long time until they have better roots system
I bought a 10 gallon peach tree that’s almost fruiting for 44.50. I have found a farm that sells younger trees but I’m wondering how many trees I need to plant to make a profit.
very informative rant, lol. lots of gems in there. \o/
Thank you brother for your wise words✌️
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Great advice! I like planting bareroot fruit trees & bushes. Easier to shape & train & seems to adapt a whole lot better.
What's the quickest I can get fruit from a stolen/borrowed cutting
great advice Pete !!!! Appreciate the tip
Do you make muliti graft mango trees like a 5 in 1?
I’m in Belize. Which sub tropical trees need to be topped dressed?
When I go to big box stores if I see small fruit trees with fruit I take it off and throw it in the dirt , I like to think I’m helping someone out and the tree itself!
Why is that?
Pete: About 30 years ago a friend who sold a unique tree guard he invented (brand name: Blue Shield) told me buying/planting nursery saplings was a waste of money. He clamed planting seeds with "Blue Shield" would stimulate growth extremely fast, adjust to the native soil better than seedlings, and over take large transplants within 1-3 years. I asked about watering. He told me some seeds need to be revisited and watered. I don't remember the details. Was he correct?
What's your opinion on the Growasis? They provide constant water (for about a year), sun filter, animal protection and ground cover. I wouldn't buy one without the filter which is sold separate. I believe the filter was an afterthought and a big mistake not to include automatically, even integrate into the original design. What's your guess or do you have first hand knowledge?
I would be interested in learning anyone's experiences with Growasis, too. I think they're in general for more arid climates than FL?
I don’t have any experience with those. I always thought they were maybe a gimmick. I’ll look into them again
I bought a Groasis, but not a Growbox. It's pretty big and sturdy, re-useable but a little more expensive than the compostable Growbox.
But I don't live in a aird/desert area, so I didn't get the chance to really try it out - was worried about mosquitoes, etc where I live.
It was one of those projects that I didn't get around to trying out somewhere in an arid climate with the right tree combos and some swales :)
If someone has the budget and the right project, then it seems like something to look into. It might be truly a way to re-vegetate some arid land.
I am really appreciate your advice, good luck 👍
I always take your advice and it always works...ain't your first rodeo huh...but dayam it's hard, but you get used to it, the proof is in the growth...thanks...!
I have been feeding my two grafted avocado trees once a week with kelp water and they are shooting up like weeds last year I let one set fruit and they got the side of a golf ball before a squirrel or a ratcoon got to them so this year I cut all the fruit off to let them get bigger the trees are only 4’ and 3 ‘
Nice! Kelp is an awesome amendment.
bowmag803 I remember learning that kelp can grow 1+ ft a day. Somehow as an ammendment it helps the plants growth rate
Great video. And thanks for the info.
Great information bro, I appreciate your expertise. 👍👍
Thanks for the tips Pete 👊🏾
you are right! well, i started by planting the seeds..need lot of patience and time but in the end when trees bear fruits just how words cant explain the feelings..SubhanAllah...
Excellent advice
Great information! Thank you!
Great video! Thanks for the valuable information
where were you last year with this information? How do I make them search for larger pastures?
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Pete Kanaris: one of the Few Good Men on TH-cam ~ Can you handle the truth?? :). cheers buddy
Thanks bro 👊
Agree, wish he was my neighbor. Wealth of knowledge to be had!
I received a Glenn mango tree and it is just one main stem. When should I clip off the top to help the tree to branch out? I love in Crestview FL and I plan to keep my tree in a greenhouse. Thanks
Knowledge straight into your brain. 5 gallon max. I wasted a lot of money on big trees.
Thanks James! 👊
This video is definitely getting a like. Great content bro! Keep them coming. !!
Thanks man! 👊
Thanks for the honesty ✌🏻
Thanks bro. I was about 2 go ham on some big fruit trees
Glad to help!
Great message for it's own video! Not that you haven't said it in several others!
Thanks! I thought it was time to address that one specifically:)
Hello Pete,
quick question
can a mango tree be planted(survive and thrive) in a property that is right next to an intercoastal?
Thank you
@@PeteKanarisGreenDreamsFL thank you very much Pete! I was worried if the tree gets to big it might reach the canal.
Sharing my experience here to affirm and agree with Pete's advice and experience on this video. And, in general I might add "he knows his "what's growin' on" business". My experience/opinion is from being a designer and with 35+ years' experience with Intentional Communities, Landscapes, Swimming Pools, Ponds, Lakes, Greenhouses, Orchards, most anything outdoors, in many states from the Pacific Northwest, to Florida, to Southern California and Hawaii. The first 1-3 pruning cuts you make on a fruit tree will help determine it's future branching structure, it's ability to support fruit loads, how easy it is to maintain, spray, harvest, etc. Trees, in general, that are encouraged to spread their roots into and adapt to the native soil will do best. That encompasses selecting the right tree/variety for the environment so, in support of those like Pete who study this, while it's fun to "DIY" and experience "the learning curve" there is a value in having professional help. This includes drainage, irrigation, plant selection, and the "what to put where" of things with structures and gardens. Great video here, good information and great to see so much public interest in things more sustainable and friendly for our Planet! Go Pete!
Where are you located?I need some maha chanook mangoes trees.
Thank you!
the roots are tangled and not able to grow , one root may be choking the entire tree because it is not going down 3 ft but wrapped around the tree for 3ft
So I am impressed by the video and little confused: What should be the height of small trees you are suggesting? Like mango is it good to buy 5-6 feet height tree or 1-2 feet height tree? Thank you so much. You are the most wonderful inspiration!!
Thanks for sharing from your experience
Thanks for the heads up pete!!!
Thank you 😊 🙏🏿
What is tipping? What trees do you do it to? Can you do a video on that ?
Yeah I'm curious too
On it!!
@@PeteKanarisGreenDreamsFL You da man!