Honestly, I'm kinda glad this rivalry between cheesecake and Dulce de Lucha is still going on, it would've been a bit anticlimactic if Cheesecake won the 2-2 score with a 2 in a row finish for 4-2, but with a 3-3 score, it's back to being a tie, and of course we get to see you both continue working on ways to one-up the other. Great fighting all around, can't wait to see Cheesecake take a bite outta the next competition!
Considering what kind of bot Dulce is, it did exactly what it was supposed to, and - even though I'm all in favor of Cheesecake - deserved the win. Very venerable and commendable
Another killer event! The last fight was definitely close, but watching Dulce manage two fulls pins while defending its wheels from every engagement for three full minutes was incredibly impressive. I would have given them the W too, the driving was just impeccable. Well fought ✌✌
Glad to see cheesecake is back! The Beetle horn Claws for Dulce de lucha looked Impressive! They Took hit after hit from cheesecakes spinner, which has been ripping through robots all year!
man seeing Cheesecake rip off Mutiple wedges is crazy. I think it shows just how much energy was being stolen from the weapon motor issue referenced at 0:40
Yeah I agree! It's amazing how much energy you lose to seemingly small inefficiencies. I didn't realize that air resistance played such a big role for a long time.
@@alexsalchemy Did you optimize cheesecake's weapon's cross section for minimizing air resistance? I imagine the cross section could look like some sort of tear drop shape that changes thickness further from the center of the weapon/motor shaft.
@@willrummell3670 - I did not optimize the thickness in that way because it would be hella expensive. But most swords do exactly what you're describing. Given the restriction of having uniform thickness, ideally my weapon would be a flat solid disk with a single tooth sticking out to best avoid churning up the air, but I don't have that much spare weight. I could make such a weapon smaller in diameter to save weight, but I do want some good reach, so my teardrop shape is a bit of a compromise: it has pretty good reach, without churning up the air too much.
@@alexsalchemy appreciate the response- regarding the swords I suppose that makes sense. I never thought of why they tapered towards the tip other than keeping it light. And you’re defo right on keeping it uniform thickness. Keeping the cost down for a part that might need to be replaced every fight should take precedent. Best of luck with the next tourney- I definitely felt this one should have went your way, but I’ve loved keeping up with the journey so far.
jeez cheesecake is just mangling bots. It is also insane just how reliable your drivetrain is after you switched to those springy wheels you came up with.
Cheesecake's record (as of video) Official fights: 39(35)-13(6) Exhibition fights 0(0)-1(1) Honestly a great showing by Cheesecake for this event. Incredible driving and destruction shown on the side of Cheesecake for the majority of the fights. To be fair the last fight against Dulche was the sweatiest amongst a fair amount of sweaty fights on this video too. Looking forward to the next and good luck to anyone who wants to take a bite of Cheesecake.
Seeing that final decision in person was heartbreaking. I thought you had it hands-down. My scorecard would have been 5-1 damage to Cheesecake, 4-2 control to Dulce, and 3-2 aggression to Cheesecake. Even if you score aggression for Dulce, that still would have been 9-8 in favor of cheesecake. Unfortunate, but these things happen sometimes when it goes to the judges. Congrats on your great showing, and looking forward to getting to fight you with Hypno/Lowbot next time!
i love it when i dont watch your videos. and youtube recommended randomly brings up a new video of yours. so i can binge watch the last 5 videos you made :)
The way cheesecake is able to deal such powerful hits with its spinner without self-destructing is super impressive! I can't believe that your spinner's mount is stronger than the mounts for the wedges it is dealing with.
"I was greedy, a lesson learned from a worthy opponent". It's really nice to admit your eyes and explaining it this way. It's appreciated 👍. Good fight anyway, and can't wait to see next encounter !
Congratulations! I really enjoy watching your videos and I think your attitude towards the whole competition is admirable as well. Well done, good sir :).
Just a tip. Get a polarizer filter on your camera and you'll get rid of all the reflections in your videos. They're pretty cheap to get for your camera.
petition for Alex to just try making a beetleweight bot. He's consistently shredding his way to at least in the top 3 almost every tournament. I'd love to see him compete there, and there are some *really* good builders there. Also it would just be insane for a 3-pound Cheesecake to fight a bot like Dutch Oven. :)
Semi Cake-relatated pun for the half wedgelets; The buns. Same idea as "the cheeks" but also relates to cinnimon buns, iced buns, and other kinds of sweet pastries. The fact the commentator started calling hypnovision Hypnodisk made me laugh, I don't blame 'em though.
cheesecake's layout is kinda cute overall! 😄but i would NEVER try to bite into THAT kind of cheesecake.😧 also, i give you, and the kid driving Dulce De Lucha great respects for your sportsmanship.👏 (btw "Dulce De Lucha" means "Sweet Fight" apparently, so i guess dulce has a sweet tooth! thats probably why he wants a bite out of cheesecake.😅 thanks for this great video Alex.
Can't wait to see a few more rounds, it seems like cheesecake's weapon is significantly reinforced. Didn't see it lose function any of these rounds, that was definitely a weakness last year. Good luck in 2024!
Honestly, the first time I saw this video, I was disappointed by the loss. However, after watching some more background, losing to Dulce De Lucha is pretty poetic and the kid is a great sport. He deserves a win every once in awhile, good for him!
I've asked if they plan to add antweights to their schedule, and unfortunately they don't currently plan to :( Guess I'd better keep working on a beetle!
that protective cake slice did work in round 1! some great matches! i think dulce de lucha was definitely deserving of his win with some great driving on his part also... shame the shield was so weakly mounted - the sword and board made for a cool looking opponent.
This one really felt like a "give it to the underdog" win. Also, what kind of double elim doesnt give advantage to the upper bracket finalist :/ i like the rivalry with dulce but wins like this arent really wins imo. You two are tied in my eyes. Edit: that lobot wedge is hilarious. Easily the coolest Wedge at this tourney. It's a shame the rules favor wedges so much tho, it's like you were fighting a doorstop emporium xD
Great video, I love seeing cheese caking rip his way through tournaments. Biggest thing im curious about is why there wast an additional finals round since it was double elimination tournament. This typically means the person coming from losers side has to beat the person from winners side twice to win the tournament as you are only eliminated from the tournament once you have lose twice.
Hey. Incase you fight another Hammersaw [like Temper], Go make a new set of Top Armor, Likely out of TPU [the same thing the side armor's made of] or Aluminum. So you don't have to tape on the Top Armor again, unlike Last Time.
I feel like you won that last fight. My only advice would be to find a way to make cheesecake easier to drive, I realize the floor was getting thrashed at the end making it more difficult, but imo the inability to control the bots was everyone’s weakness. There’s got to be a way to make cheese more drive able, the rest is dialed in pretty damn well.
Eating the cheesecake just brings more doom to you Also one key thing I noticed the back of the chassy keeps getting exposed, could be fixed with smth like a fork or a sweet tooth but every single time cheesecake's back turns towards a horizontal spinner......
cheesecake somewhat channeling his hinner depthcharge at some points in these fights a lot more than in previous tournaments! There seemed to be a lot more gryoscopic force from cake's weapon in general, did you happen to get it to spin faster? or is the new weapon head just that much more powerfull?
Currently, my weapon motor is a FlashHobby 2822 1800KV, and my drive motors are Repeat Robotics "Repeat Drive Brushed Mk2". I'm still using the Fingertech Tiny ESCs for my drive motors, and I'm using a Cyclone 35A brushless ESC for my weapon motor. It's surprising how high the current can spike when your weapon hits something or even starts up. My weapon motor draws about 8 amps at full spin, but it spikes above 20 when starting from a dead stop.
@alexsalchemy Thank you, ill look into these. How do you go about testing this while your motor is running? Do you just measure the current in series when the motor is running? Or what is the best way to test what the max and min specifications of your motor and esc are running at?
That scoring is a bit ridiculous but it does explain the number of weaponless robots youre facing. I was so confused how those robots would win but that explains it.
I have some cleated wheels, I just haven't used them. I think Cheesecake was vibrating because my weapon motor had been beaten up a lot and wasn't perfectly balanced anymore.
@@alexsalchemy makes sense. Thanks for the speedy reply. Really like watching Cheesecake, and enjoy your content. Thanks for the updates. Have a great day!
If you make the sweet tooth reach slightly further than the spinner you can stop it from hitting the wall. This might backfire though if the sweet tooth gets bent up it will stop the spinner from being able to reach the other bot
For an antweight, I like my direct drive/hub mounted system: it saves a lot of weight and complexity. For a 3lb beetle... well, I'm going to try the same approach, but it may not work out given how hard those robots hit: having my weapon motor out in front might be suicide.
You probably know this, and also have reasons for not implementing, but you can increase the kinetic force of the spinning tooth by making it longer without adding weight.
can someone explain to me the tap out i mean i understand that if you tap out you forfeit but why would you do that if you still have a chance to win????
Well, it depends how good of a chance you think you have. If it's a pretty low chance, and if you can still accept a loss without falling out of the tournament, then you might choose to tap out to avoid taking additional damage and being unable to repair your robot in time for the next fight.
Well, the modeling itself wasn't too hard (I'm very familiar with CAD, specifically Onshape), it was the design that took a while to create: how the frame is constructed, how the drive motors are held, etc. That was at least a couple months' work before I made the very first prototype.
To be fair, rip off the forks is the typical advice for a horizontal. Dulce's mounting is just excellent and the forks themselves are beefier than the majority of others
As someone from the outside looking in, this tournament ended in such a bullshit fashion. Why is there redemption from a loser's bracket when it's not also double for an undefeated bot going into the final match? Especially in this case where you had beaten Dulce De Lucha to send him down there in the first place. You're literally being punished for having a flawless run which is complete nonsense. Overall this was an excellent showing for Cheesecake with some solid driving in the face of adversity but you got fucking robbed.
New attachment could be called the toppings
or the Frosting
@@mathei2592 I don't think I've ever seen a cheesecake _frosted_ before. Definitely topped with fruit and cream, though.
The cherry on top
@@ConstantlyDamaged The Raspberry
@@ItsaJuraff 🤣
Honestly, I'm kinda glad this rivalry between cheesecake and Dulce de Lucha is still going on, it would've been a bit anticlimactic if Cheesecake won the 2-2 score with a 2 in a row finish for 4-2, but with a 3-3 score, it's back to being a tie, and of course we get to see you both continue working on ways to one-up the other.
Great fighting all around, can't wait to see Cheesecake take a bite outta the next competition!
SAME
I hope someday enjoy life like Dulce de Lucha's owner watching his robot falling apart while maintaining a smile in his face. Respect.
hes just a kid too, some f the best driving i have ever seen from an under 16 yr old! and yeh, big respect to him for keeping his smile on his face!😄
Considering what kind of bot Dulce is, it did exactly what it was supposed to, and - even though I'm all in favor of Cheesecake - deserved the win. Very venerable and commendable
You could call the half cake slice Cheesecake's 'Icing'?
that would be a better name for the titanium plate
i cant believe cheesecake kept ripping off wedges off of every opponent
Cheese cake loveswheels
@@bluecraney1#FR
Another killer event! The last fight was definitely close, but watching Dulce manage two fulls pins while defending its wheels from every engagement for three full minutes was incredibly impressive. I would have given them the W too, the driving was just impeccable. Well fought ✌✌
Happy to see cheesecake dishing out some hits
Glad to see cheesecake is back! The Beetle horn Claws for Dulce de lucha looked Impressive! They Took hit after hit from cheesecakes spinner, which has been ripping through robots all year!
That sound when lucha's lance and your blade collide ❤
man seeing Cheesecake rip off Mutiple wedges is crazy. I think it shows just how much energy was being stolen from the weapon motor issue referenced at 0:40
Yeah I agree! It's amazing how much energy you lose to seemingly small inefficiencies. I didn't realize that air resistance played such a big role for a long time.
@@alexsalchemy Did you optimize cheesecake's weapon's cross section for minimizing air resistance? I imagine the cross section could look like some sort of tear drop shape that changes thickness further from the center of the weapon/motor shaft.
@@willrummell3670 - I did not optimize the thickness in that way because it would be hella expensive. But most swords do exactly what you're describing.
Given the restriction of having uniform thickness, ideally my weapon would be a flat solid disk with a single tooth sticking out to best avoid churning up the air, but I don't have that much spare weight. I could make such a weapon smaller in diameter to save weight, but I do want some good reach, so my teardrop shape is a bit of a compromise: it has pretty good reach, without churning up the air too much.
@@alexsalchemy appreciate the response- regarding the swords I suppose that makes sense. I never thought of why they tapered towards the tip other than keeping it light.
And you’re defo right on keeping it uniform thickness. Keeping the cost down for a part that might need to be replaced every fight should take precedent.
Best of luck with the next tourney- I definitely felt this one should have went your way, but I’ve loved keeping up with the journey so far.
jeez cheesecake is just mangling bots. It is also insane just how reliable your drivetrain is after you switched to those springy wheels you came up with.
Cheesecake dished out a lot of damage! I admire your sportsmanship.
Cheese cake is performing really well, it’s amazing to see how you manage to keep
Improving the design
Cheesecake's record (as of video)
Official fights:
39(35)-13(6)
Exhibition fights
0(0)-1(1)
Honestly a great showing by Cheesecake for this event. Incredible driving and destruction shown on the side of Cheesecake for the majority of the fights. To be fair the last fight against Dulche was the sweatiest amongst a fair amount of sweaty fights on this video too. Looking forward to the next and good luck to anyone who wants to take a bite of Cheesecake.
Cheesecake protec
Cheesecake attack
But more importantly...
Cheesecake eat wheels as a snac
Beautiful
No SuperLikes until you sign off every video with "Thanks, it's been a slice!"
Seeing that final decision in person was heartbreaking. I thought you had it hands-down. My scorecard would have been 5-1 damage to Cheesecake, 4-2 control to Dulce, and 3-2 aggression to Cheesecake. Even if you score aggression for Dulce, that still would have been 9-8 in favor of cheesecake.
Unfortunate, but these things happen sometimes when it goes to the judges. Congrats on your great showing, and looking forward to getting to fight you with Hypno/Lowbot next time!
i love it when i dont watch your videos. and youtube recommended randomly brings up a new video of yours. so i can binge watch the last 5 videos you made :)
Cheesecake was robbed! The peoples champion is and always will be the almighty Cheesecake!
In all seriousness a great video as always 🙏
The way cheesecake is able to deal such powerful hits with its spinner without self-destructing is super impressive! I can't believe that your spinner's mount is stronger than the mounts for the wedges it is dealing with.
It didn't used to be this way, haha, but that's why you keep fighting and keep trying new things!
That lowbot match was a nail biter.
You'll get Dulce next time.
Just subscribed at like 1:00 AM, already a new Cheesecake video out, what a day. 😎
"I was greedy, a lesson learned from a worthy opponent". It's really nice to admit your eyes and explaining it this way. It's appreciated 👍. Good fight anyway, and can't wait to see next encounter !
*admit your errors. (I can't modify it🫣)
Congratulations! I really enjoy watching your videos and I think your attitude towards the whole competition is admirable as well. Well done, good sir :).
What a delicious rivalry indeed between Cheesecake and Dulce de Lucha.
Just a tip. Get a polarizer filter on your camera and you'll get rid of all the reflections in your videos. They're pretty cheap to get for your camera.
Loved the little pirouette on the sweet tooth in the battle against Lowbot!
its cool to see the dulce de lucha kid grow up :)
Love this channel. Cant wait for the next one.👍👍👍👍
Man, I love cheesecake, this is what combat robotics looks like!
That's really impressive!
Cheesecake and Dulce De Lucha would make the ultimate Hexbug rivalry pack
It's like cheesecake, is the cheese and wheels are the cake. Nom nom nom.
Yaaaayyyyyyy Cheesecake is back~!💛✨
I thought you had another shot since you never lost a fight until the finals and Dulce de Lucha did! Great video as always Alex
Happy birthday to Cheesecake!!🎂🎂🎂
That dodge at 14:41 was unintentional but incredible
petition for Alex to just try making a beetleweight bot. He's consistently shredding his way to at least in the top 3 almost every tournament. I'd love to see him compete there, and there are some *really* good builders there. Also it would just be insane for a 3-pound Cheesecake to fight a bot like Dutch Oven. :)
I'm very slowly working on one!
the editing during the fights is great!
Thank you! I'm glad people appreciate it!
Semi Cake-relatated pun for the half wedgelets; The buns. Same idea as "the cheeks" but also relates to cinnimon buns, iced buns, and other kinds of sweet pastries.
The fact the commentator started calling hypnovision Hypnodisk made me laugh, I don't blame 'em though.
cheesecake's layout is kinda cute overall! 😄but i would NEVER try to bite into THAT kind of cheesecake.😧
also, i give you, and the kid driving Dulce De Lucha great respects for your sportsmanship.👏
(btw "Dulce De Lucha" means "Sweet Fight" apparently, so i guess dulce has a sweet tooth! thats probably why he wants a bite out of cheesecake.😅 thanks for this great video Alex.
Can't wait to see a few more rounds, it seems like cheesecake's weapon is significantly reinforced. Didn't see it lose function any of these rounds, that was definitely a weakness last year. Good luck in 2024!
Happy birthday to cheesecake!
Honestly, the first time I saw this video, I was disappointed by the loss. However, after watching some more background, losing to Dulce De Lucha is pretty poetic and the kid is a great sport. He deserves a win every once in awhile, good for him!
1 hour after upload and I'm enjoying this
Man would love to see Cheesecake at NHRL some day!
I've asked if they plan to add antweights to their schedule, and unfortunately they don't currently plan to :( Guess I'd better keep working on a beetle!
that protective cake slice did work in round 1! some great matches! i think dulce de lucha was definitely deserving of his win with some great driving on his part also... shame the shield was so weakly mounted - the sword and board made for a cool looking opponent.
Cheesecake is a tiny tombstone. I love it.
happy birthday cheescake
This one really felt like a "give it to the underdog" win. Also, what kind of double elim doesnt give advantage to the upper bracket finalist :/ i like the rivalry with dulce but wins like this arent really wins imo. You two are tied in my eyes.
Edit: that lobot wedge is hilarious. Easily the coolest Wedge at this tourney. It's a shame the rules favor wedges so much tho, it's like you were fighting a doorstop emporium xD
Dulce's design looks badass
Like a Medieval Knight with a shield or a Jouster lol
Your Achilles heal has always been your driving skill and missed opportunities.
That JD was ridiculous
Thanks!
Thank you so much! Cheesecake's gonna get some new wheels!
Great video, I love seeing cheese caking rip his way through tournaments. Biggest thing im curious about is why there wast an additional finals round since it was double elimination tournament. This typically means the person coming from losers side has to beat the person from winners side twice to win the tournament as you are only eliminated from the tournament once you have lose twice.
Secret to winning: name your robot after food
NICE! Thanks for the great videos
I love your content! Keep up the good work!❤
Hey.
Incase you fight another Hammersaw [like Temper], Go make a new set of Top Armor, Likely out of TPU [the same thing the side armor's made of] or Aluminum. So you don't have to tape on the Top Armor again, unlike Last Time.
cheesecake will always be a winner in my heart
That last fight had me on the edge of my seat. Do the judges tell you the score your earned or just the winner?
They'll tell you the score if you ask, usually they just announce the winner and that's enough.
I feel like you won that last fight. My only advice would be to find a way to make cheesecake easier to drive, I realize the floor was getting thrashed at the end making it more difficult, but imo the inability to control the bots was everyone’s weakness. There’s got to be a way to make cheese more drive able, the rest is dialed in pretty damn well.
7:36 beautiful wheel snipe
HE
IS
BACK
Eating the cheesecake just brings more doom to you
Also one key thing I noticed the back of the chassy keeps getting exposed, could be fixed with smth like a fork or a sweet tooth but every single time cheesecake's back turns towards a horizontal spinner......
WHAT??? sure he could push you around some of the time BUT you slammed him all over the box and you did all the damage!
cheesecake somewhat channeling his hinner depthcharge at some points in these fights a lot more than in previous tournaments! There seemed to be a lot more gryoscopic force from cake's weapon in general, did you happen to get it to spin faster? or is the new weapon head just that much more powerfull?
Next time you encounter Dulce have a sign made up with Cheesecake Factory’s tres leches cheesecake with some silly pun on it
I'm so invested in cheesecake vs dulce now
I agree with the judges because if something can survive an aggressive bot like cheesecake and pin it twice for a round, they deserve the win
Have you tried messing with the control rates? Those little bots seem like a handful to control.
Enter more tournaments, we need more cake!
What weapon and drive motors do you use? And what ESC’s do you run with them? I have been having issues with ESC’s dying after one large impact.
Currently, my weapon motor is a FlashHobby 2822 1800KV, and my drive motors are Repeat Robotics "Repeat Drive Brushed Mk2". I'm still using the Fingertech Tiny ESCs for my drive motors, and I'm using a Cyclone 35A brushless ESC for my weapon motor. It's surprising how high the current can spike when your weapon hits something or even starts up. My weapon motor draws about 8 amps at full spin, but it spikes above 20 when starting from a dead stop.
@alexsalchemy Thank you, ill look into these. How do you go about testing this while your motor is running? Do you just measure the current in series when the motor is running? Or what is the best way to test what the max and min specifications of your motor and esc are running at?
That scoring is a bit ridiculous but it does explain the number of weaponless robots youre facing.
I was so confused how those robots would win but that explains it.
Alex, would you benefit from cleated wheels? especially in the situation where DeLuchia was stuck against the wall?
I have some cleated wheels, I just haven't used them. I think Cheesecake was vibrating because my weapon motor had been beaten up a lot and wasn't perfectly balanced anymore.
@@alexsalchemy makes sense. Thanks for the speedy reply. Really like watching Cheesecake, and enjoy your content. Thanks for the updates. Have a great day!
If you make the sweet tooth reach slightly further than the spinner you can stop it from hitting the wall. This might backfire though if the sweet tooth gets bent up it will stop the spinner from being able to reach the other bot
I've thought about that, but if the sweet tooth was longer than my weapon, it could easily get stuck in the wall, and then I'd be screwed.
I just got into combat robotics and was just wondering if for my weapon I should use a pulley system or connect it directly
For an antweight, I like my direct drive/hub mounted system: it saves a lot of weight and complexity. For a 3lb beetle... well, I'm going to try the same approach, but it may not work out given how hard those robots hit: having my weapon motor out in front might be suicide.
The moment at 14:39 was surreal
That half-wedge half fork setup seems really vulnerable to you simply switching up your spin direction.
You probably know this, and also have reasons for not implementing, but you can increase the kinetic force of the spinning tooth by making it longer without adding weight.
suggestion for the new attachment; "The Frosting"
10:37 wedge was probably held with one screw which meant it twisted and fell off… now all we need is a reversible weapon
my comment was useless lol 12:45
Dulce de Lucha
Translates to Sweet fight
You should name the modular attachment the Trowel or Butter Knife since those move cake slices.
can someone explain to me the tap out i mean i understand that if you tap out you forfeit but why would you do that if you still have a chance to win????
Well, it depends how good of a chance you think you have. If it's a pretty low chance, and if you can still accept a loss without falling out of the tournament, then you might choose to tap out to avoid taking additional damage and being unable to repair your robot in time for the next fight.
@@alexsalchemy thx
Can i ask how long did it take you to model cheesecake
Well, the modeling itself wasn't too hard (I'm very familiar with CAD, specifically Onshape), it was the design that took a while to create: how the frame is constructed, how the drive motors are held, etc. That was at least a couple months' work before I made the very first prototype.
Go Cheesecake!
Love to see this
Great job !
Maybe the cheeks should be called the frosting or the toppings as recommended by @NotSoPolitePerson
To be fair, rip off the forks is the typical advice for a horizontal. Dulce's mounting is just excellent and the forks themselves are beefier than the majority of others
Agreed!
I've grown quite fond of Cheesecake.
Ed: that final result was F'ing BS!
Im curious what cheesecake would do to a rotisserie chicken.
new attachment could be called baby cake
Have you ever tapped out Alex’s Alchemy?
No, but there are definitely times where I should have.
@@alexsalchemy THX for responding, also I agree you should have tapped out on the mudskipper fight. Do you agree?
Cheesecake you da bes
Diamond tipped cutting head
As someone from the outside looking in, this tournament ended in such a bullshit fashion. Why is there redemption from a loser's bracket when it's not also double for an undefeated bot going into the final match? Especially in this case where you had beaten Dulce De Lucha to send him down there in the first place. You're literally being punished for having a flawless run which is complete nonsense. Overall this was an excellent showing for Cheesecake with some solid driving in the face of adversity but you got fucking robbed.
cheesecake's weapon sounded much different this time, and and little rattle-esqe near the end
disappointed by the end, but i can't wait to continue watching Cheesecake's journey through the antweight leagues
Yeah my weapon actually bent a bit from all those hits it delivered; you can see it in the final picture of Cheesecake.