I faintly recall flipping through a book of Washington's and Jefferson's published letters in which they each mentioned reducing the amount of meat they eat in their older years. Searching on Google to verify that claim...
this is kinda confusing considering that studies show that glucose and excessive carbs cause cancers and especially tumors to grow where keto/paleo diets slow it down..
I take the study with a 'grain of sugar.' It depends on if a person is actually using the protein biochemically, as protein can get converted back into glucose if it is not getting burned off as a fuel source. Protein is just another sugar source when a person is not using the protein properly (anerobic training to make use of the protein for example). So I'm suspecting the problem is, once again, excess glucose that cancer cells feed on in low-exercise people that go higher protein. I'm also wondering if the study tracked refined sugars and bad fats (transfats) were coming in along with the high-protein diet. And we generally don't know the calorie consuptions. If a person is just going to change up their protein ratios and not actually burn off the protein, yeah, it's a bad recipe. Testosterone, HGH, and insulin-signaling repair can be boosted with intermittent fasting. And decreased testosterone in males and females is one of the greatest sources of muscle depletion in older people...plus, intermittent fasting helps burn down glycogen reserves continually in muscle and liver cells so that excess glucose doesn't become a burden and the meal of the next cancer. I think people generally neglect the anerobic later in life and just 'go on a walk' or get in low cardio, which contributes to their muscle loss. If you don't use it, you lose it.
I was 50 lbs over weight and insulin resistant, I just couldn’t lose weight until I did the Keto diet. I lost the 50lbs and could then come off my blood pressure tablets and my blood sugar levels were then great. I’m so confused about people who are vegetarians ad those who are carnivores. I havebrrn eating more carbs, but my blood pressure has gone back up and I’ve put on 10 lbs…..what to do?
There so much talk these days about the danger of grains (Paleo Diet, for example). Did you know that the particle size of a stone-ground grain particle is 10 times larger (~100 microns) than a powdered (dust) grain particle from flour (~10 microns)? This means that 1g of powdered wheat flour has 10X more surface area than 1g of stone-ground wheat flour. The rate at which the powder can dissolve, break down, absorb, and put insulin in the blood is 10X greater than that of stone-ground wheat. The rate at which carbs are absorbed depends oh how fast they can be broken down by digestive enzymes. The more surface area is available, the more opportunities these enzymes will have to do their thing, and the faster they will do it. Increased surface area (and smaller particle size) also allows water and fluids to more easily dissolve the substance. Almost all dust powdered flours are also made of only the endosperm of the grain and does not include the bran. Taking all the fiber (bran) out of it further drops the GI (Glycemic Index) by concentrating all the starchy part of the grain. Most processed dust powdered grains are also exposed to bleaches and other sketchy chemicals that affect their nutritional value. Non-powdered whole grains are good! Dust powdered processed flours are bad and the cause insulin issues, low grade chronic inflammation, and rheumatic diseases.
I read a study that stated that those who didn't eat any or no meat before the age of 65 had a higher probability to make it to 65, but after 65 some meat helps keep weight on which is a good thing.
Yes, that was substantiated by this study as well. Although one additional point is that growing children need protein. Not that it can't be plant-based but they need adequate amounts because they're growing. The elderly need it because they are losing muscle.
There is a difference between pork and beef. Did the study make that difference? How many people balanced the protein with vegetables? At about 3:30 she talks about how bad insulin is, do we get diabetes if are insulin goes down for not eating meat? And does taking insulin for diabetes reduce our lives? All these studies seem to contradict each other.
The problem with studies is that the answers to such follow-up questions aren't available. The researchers did what they did and they found what they found. However, don't confuse insulin-like growth factor with insulin. They are two different things. Yes, foods that cause a rise in insulin are related to increased incidence of type II diabetes, but don't confuse the insulin-like growth factor hormone produced from a higher intake of animal protein with insulin produced from consuming simple carbohydrates such as sugar and white flour. Does that help?
Dr. V, do you still recommend low protein diets for athletes and bodybuilders? This industry thrives on protein supplements, particularly whey. Would you suggest plant-based proteins (soy, oat, etc.), or something else for those seeking to build muscle mass? Thanks.
Dr Shawn Baker, Dr Anthony Chaffee. Both carnivores for over 5 years. Dr Ken Berry carnivore for over 3 years. Blood test are great all three very healthy. Never take health advise from a vegetarian
I"m a big fan of no-gluten and if co-reactive is synonymous for cross-reactive, I do like to test for those and eliminate them as needed. Night shades I don't find to be a problem for everyone so that's not an 'across the board' recommendation that I do.
How do you figure this for someone like me that doesn't believe in counting calories? I eat a primarily plant-based diet, however, I work with many clients eating meat and would like a 'grams of protein' per person range for a healthy, balanced body. The ounce visual of a palm sized amount being your allotted amount per person/daily is helpful, but how many grams would that be? Thank you! Love your work and so appreciate your knowledge.
I don't count calories either. The palm size example was 3 oz which is quite a lot actually because it was a full days protein allotment for a 200 lb individual. It depends on the person's age and health status, but 40-50 grams is what these researchers recommended as the upper limit for animal consumption for a typical adult (likely weighing 150 lb plus). Hope that helps!
@artiumB: here's a reference for you: Allen NE, Appleby PN, Davey GK, Kaaks R, Rinaldi S, Key TJ. The Associations of Diet with Serum Insulin-like Growth Factor I and Its Main Binding Proteins in 292 Women Meat-Eaters, Vegetarians, and Vegans. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2002 Nov;11(11):1441-8.
Hi Dr Peterson, i have posted before, specifically about the Paleo diet, i'm wondering whether you have mixed up Paleo with High protein 'atkins', where i understand (though there is confusion) the concentration is on high (amimal) fat , and med/low protein and low carbs. In that study, i understand, there was no differentiation for the source of 'protein' ie. processed hotdogs/reconstituted *bleached* meat etc.. 'Americans over eat their protein' again, if this is macdonalds, there's no confusion. This is a very important point. As for vegetables, i think it may be beneficial to address the numerous concerns with anti-nutrients and how vegetables used to be processed, back in the day, in order for them to be safe to eat. I believe their was a study between 2 twin doctors who ate protein with no fat and, yes, they became ill. What is curious is how many cultures have subsisted on solely fat and live extremely active long lives; the inuit for example. I tried to see my response to our previous conversation and couldn't see it..
Hello, I'm not confusing Atkins with Paleo, I simply stated they were both high protein diets, which they are. I completely agree with you that the quality of animal protein is very important and therefore the Paleo diet is a much better choice than Atkins ever was in that regard. But this particular study was simply looking at both moderate and high protein diets and seeing an increase in IGF and showing the association with cancer and early death. They further saw that substituting plant-based protein for animal did not have the same disease liability. Those are the facts based on this and other studies that have found similar liabilities with animal protein. I hope that clears it up. As regards your comment about your earlier responses, all responses are posted unless TH-cam thinks they're spam, which I don't believe they would do in your case. I have only not published about 2 or 3 comments (that were offensive and using bad language) in my many years on TH-cam. So I don't know why you can't find your answers. Best, Dr Vikki
itellsya with regards to the study you quoted: "USC Study Did Not Control for Carb Intake or Sedentary Lifestyle" again, quite important if you will use that study to back your advice and further: "High-protein consumption is not associated with all low-carb diets," Linda O'Byrne, chief nutritionist for Atkins, told The Grocer. "In fact, Atkins recommends taking 25% of calories from protein, which does not align with the diet in the study." "www.examiner.com/article/low-carb-paleo-diet-advocates-rip-high-protein-diet-study-as-misleading
what about people who are growing muscles? im trying to build some musles and become a weight lifter and im recomnded to 170g of protine a day im 178 pound 24 years old male. Is that a lot?
+clintmagican That's waaaay too much. Please consider reducing it to 80 g max, perhaps less. That much protein can be very pro-inflammatory and unhealthy.
80 grams of protein is for people who do not workout. When you exercise you need more than that otherwise you wont recover at the rate to keep up your regular workouts. Therefore you cannot exercise. So the notion of exercising is not healthy then. We should be only walking then or be couch potatoes. There are many many people who live at a old age from a high protein diet. 4 times likely to get cancer what kind of study is that ? High protein is unhealthy for the liver when its way too much but 140-170 grams is within normal consumption when you workout and your a male. Were not mices here. lol
HI Debra, I do eat rice and yes, lots of veggies, beans, nuts, good oil, some fruit. Thankfully I'm a good cook so I do enjoy lots of interesting meals! And it feels great to be healthy and energetic so I don't miss the other things.
Dr. Vikki Petersen i need to look in to eating this way , but need more ideas , i just recently was checked for hypothyroid ( T4 and TSH 9 ) and lower vit D levels of 31, i need help been feeling pretty crappy and wanted to add iodine , but heard that may not be a good idea for thyroid. any ideas on what foods i should avoid? i also take Antolol for high blood pressure. i love to get off all my meds i do take i think a decent muti vit . but feel i am not asborbing very well, i get light headed alot thanks for any help , love watching your videos
It seems to me as long as someone is working out building muscle and burning fat especially with an endomorphic body that animal protein and vegetables and nuts would be the way to go. As long as your vegetables balance out your animal protein intake.
+Tanner Herzman Yes, but what did the animal eat? Was it on a healthy diet or force-fed GMO corn, soy, injected with antibiotics and hormones? The animal meat of yesteryear is not what we are being offered today. There IS a difference.
I faintly recall flipping through a book of Washington's and Jefferson's published letters in which they each mentioned reducing the amount of meat they eat in their older years. Searching on Google to verify that claim...
this is kinda confusing considering that studies show that glucose and excessive carbs cause cancers and especially tumors to grow where keto/paleo diets slow it down..
I take the study with a 'grain of sugar.' It depends on if a person is actually using the protein biochemically, as protein can get converted back into glucose if it is not getting burned off as a fuel source. Protein is just another sugar source when a person is not using the protein properly (anerobic training to make use of the protein for example). So I'm suspecting the problem is, once again, excess glucose that cancer cells feed on in low-exercise people that go higher protein.
I'm also wondering if the study tracked refined sugars and bad fats (transfats) were coming in along with the high-protein diet. And we generally don't know the calorie consuptions. If a person is just going to change up their protein ratios and not actually burn off the protein, yeah, it's a bad recipe.
Testosterone, HGH, and insulin-signaling repair can be boosted with intermittent fasting. And decreased testosterone in males and females is one of the greatest sources of muscle depletion in older people...plus, intermittent fasting helps burn down glycogen reserves continually in muscle and liver cells so that excess glucose doesn't become a burden and the meal of the next cancer.
I think people generally neglect the anerobic later in life and just 'go on a walk' or get in low cardio, which contributes to their muscle loss. If you don't use it, you lose it.
You nailed it on the head!
I was 50 lbs over weight and insulin resistant, I just couldn’t lose weight until I did the Keto diet. I lost the 50lbs and could then come off my blood pressure tablets and my blood sugar levels were then great. I’m so confused about people who are vegetarians ad those who are carnivores. I havebrrn eating more carbs, but my blood pressure has gone back up and I’ve put on 10 lbs…..what to do?
So you cut carbs lost weight, got healthier . Increased carbs and plants and your health started going down again? It seems simple to me.
There so much talk these days about the danger of grains (Paleo Diet, for example).
Did you know that the particle size of a stone-ground grain particle is 10 times larger (~100 microns) than a powdered (dust) grain particle from flour (~10 microns)? This means that 1g of powdered wheat flour has 10X more surface area than 1g of stone-ground wheat flour. The rate at which the powder can dissolve, break down, absorb, and put insulin in the blood is 10X greater than that of stone-ground wheat. The rate at which carbs are absorbed depends oh how fast they can be broken down by digestive enzymes. The more surface area is available, the more opportunities these enzymes will have to do their thing, and the faster they will do it. Increased surface area (and smaller particle size) also allows water and fluids to more easily dissolve the substance. Almost all dust powdered flours are also made of only the endosperm of the grain and does not include the bran. Taking all the fiber (bran) out of it further drops the GI (Glycemic Index) by concentrating all the starchy part of the grain. Most processed dust powdered grains are also exposed to bleaches and other sketchy chemicals that affect their nutritional value. Non-powdered whole grains are good! Dust powdered processed flours are bad and the cause insulin issues, low grade chronic inflammation, and rheumatic diseases.
I completely agree with you Brant.
I read a study that stated that those who didn't eat any or no meat before the age of 65 had a higher probability to make it to 65, but after 65 some meat helps keep weight on which is a good thing.
Yes, that was substantiated by this study as well. Although one additional point is that growing children need protein. Not that it can't be plant-based but they need adequate amounts because they're growing. The elderly need it because they are losing muscle.
There is a difference between pork and beef. Did the study make that difference? How many people balanced the protein with vegetables?
At about 3:30 she talks about how bad insulin is, do we get diabetes if are insulin goes down for not eating meat? And does taking insulin for diabetes reduce our lives?
All these studies seem to contradict each other.
The problem with studies is that the answers to such follow-up questions aren't available. The researchers did what they did and they found what they found. However, don't confuse insulin-like growth factor with insulin. They are two different things. Yes, foods that cause a rise in insulin are related to increased incidence of type II diabetes, but don't confuse the insulin-like growth factor hormone produced from a higher intake of animal protein with insulin produced from consuming simple carbohydrates such as sugar and white flour.
Does that help?
Dr. Vikki Petersen
Maybe, I got restudy what you said.
Dr. V, do you still recommend low protein diets for athletes and bodybuilders? This industry thrives on protein supplements, particularly whey. Would you suggest plant-based proteins (soy, oat, etc.), or something else for those seeking to build muscle mass? Thanks.
can you refer to certain scientific articles that support your claims about higher risk do die from cancer among people who eat high protein diet?
Dr Shawn Baker, Dr Anthony Chaffee. Both carnivores for over 5 years. Dr Ken Berry carnivore for over 3 years. Blood test are great all three very healthy. Never take health advise from a vegetarian
Well that's a broad statement. And I'm not a vegetarian.
Hi Dr. Vikki. How do you feel about the paleo autoimmune protocol? Limiting gluten, co-reactive foods & night shades.
I"m a big fan of no-gluten and if co-reactive is synonymous for cross-reactive, I do like to test for those and eliminate them as needed. Night shades I don't find to be a problem for everyone so that's not an 'across the board' recommendation that I do.
How do you figure this for someone like me that doesn't believe in counting calories? I eat a primarily plant-based diet, however, I work with many clients eating meat and would like a 'grams of protein' per person range for a healthy, balanced body. The ounce visual of a palm sized amount being your allotted amount per person/daily is helpful, but how many grams would that be? Thank you! Love your work and so appreciate your knowledge.
I don't count calories either. The palm size example was 3 oz which is quite a lot actually because it was a full days protein allotment for a 200 lb individual. It depends on the person's age and health status, but 40-50 grams is what these researchers recommended as the upper limit for animal consumption for a typical adult (likely weighing 150 lb plus).
Hope that helps!
Perfect! Thank you so much!
@artiumB: here's a reference for you:
Allen
NE, Appleby PN, Davey GK, Kaaks R, Rinaldi S, Key TJ. The Associations
of Diet with Serum Insulin-like Growth Factor I and Its Main Binding
Proteins in 292 Women Meat-Eaters, Vegetarians, and Vegans. Cancer
Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2002 Nov;11(11):1441-8.
Hi Dr Peterson, i have posted before, specifically about the Paleo diet, i'm wondering whether you have mixed up Paleo with High protein 'atkins', where i understand (though there is confusion) the concentration is on high (amimal) fat , and med/low protein and low carbs.
In that study, i understand, there was no differentiation for the source of 'protein' ie. processed hotdogs/reconstituted *bleached* meat etc.. 'Americans over eat their protein' again, if this is macdonalds, there's no confusion. This is a very important point.
As for vegetables, i think it may be beneficial to address the numerous concerns with anti-nutrients and how vegetables used to be processed, back in the day, in order for them to be safe to eat.
I believe their was a study between 2 twin doctors who ate protein with no fat and, yes, they became ill.
What is curious is how many cultures have subsisted on solely fat and live extremely active long lives; the inuit for example.
I tried to see my response to our previous conversation and couldn't see it..
Hello,
I'm not confusing Atkins with Paleo, I simply stated they were both high protein diets, which they are. I completely agree with you that the quality of animal protein is very important and therefore the Paleo diet is a much better choice than Atkins ever was in that regard.
But this particular study was simply looking at both moderate and high protein diets and seeing an increase in IGF and showing the association with cancer and early death.
They further saw that substituting plant-based protein for animal did not have the same disease liability.
Those are the facts based on this and other studies that have found similar liabilities with animal protein.
I hope that clears it up. As regards your comment about your earlier responses,
all responses are posted unless TH-cam thinks they're spam, which I don't believe they would do in your case. I have only not published about 2 or 3 comments (that were offensive and using bad language) in my many years on TH-cam. So I don't know why you can't find your answers.
Best,
Dr Vikki
Ok, thanks for the response =)
itellsya
with regards to the study you quoted: "USC Study Did Not Control for Carb Intake or Sedentary Lifestyle" again, quite important if you will use that study to back your advice and further: "High-protein consumption is not associated with all low-carb diets," Linda O'Byrne, chief nutritionist for Atkins, told The Grocer. "In fact, Atkins recommends taking 25% of calories from protein, which does not align with the diet in the study."
"www.examiner.com/article/low-carb-paleo-diet-advocates-rip-high-protein-diet-study-as-misleading
How does Dr Vikki Petersen feel about Tuna as a protein source?
Tuna are large fish and they tend to be heavily laden with Mercury. Definitely not a healthy choice.
what about people who are growing muscles? im trying to build some musles and become a weight lifter and im recomnded to 170g of protine a day im 178 pound 24 years old male. Is that a lot?
+clintmagican That's waaaay too much. Please consider reducing it to 80 g max, perhaps less. That much protein can be very pro-inflammatory and unhealthy.
Dr. Vikki Petersen Wrong. 80g is not enough protein for a weightlifter/bodybuilder
80 grams of protein is for people who do not workout. When you exercise you need more than that otherwise you wont recover at the rate to keep up your regular workouts. Therefore you cannot exercise. So the notion of exercising is not healthy then. We should be only walking then or be couch potatoes. There are many many people who live at a old age from a high protein diet. 4 times likely to get cancer what kind of study is that ? High protein is unhealthy for the liver when its way too much but 140-170 grams is within normal consumption when you workout and your a male. Were not mices here. lol
Is is research done on grass fed organic meat eaters? And raw dairy eaters? Just curious
A Earhart I don't know of any specific research with those parameters.
Gosh, no grains and no animal protein. What do you eat, Dr Vicky P? Apart from veggies+beans of course! :O)
HI Debra,
I do eat rice and yes, lots of veggies, beans, nuts, good oil, some fruit. Thankfully I'm a good cook so I do enjoy lots of interesting meals! And it feels great to be healthy and energetic so I don't miss the other things.
Dr. Vikki Petersen i need to look in to eating this way , but need more ideas , i just recently was checked for hypothyroid ( T4 and TSH 9 ) and lower vit D levels of 31, i need help been feeling pretty crappy and wanted to add iodine , but heard that may not be a good idea for thyroid. any ideas on what foods i should avoid? i also take Antolol for high blood pressure. i love to get off all my meds i do take i think a decent muti vit . but feel i am not asborbing very well, i get light headed alot thanks for any help , love watching your videos
After watching these videos my right arm is always sore, and I'm really tired.
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It seems to me as long as someone is working out building muscle and burning fat especially with an endomorphic body that animal protein and vegetables and nuts would be the way to go. As long as your vegetables balance out your animal protein intake.
Do you soak your nuts and seeds?
yes i do.because it helps eliminate the trace amount of gluten of those packaged nuts and and may also drop its phytic acid content.
selective studies humans are very adapted to eating animals..
+Tanner Herzman Yes, but what did the animal eat? Was it on a healthy diet or force-fed GMO corn, soy, injected with antibiotics and hormones? The animal meat of yesteryear is not what we are being offered today. There IS a difference.
im talking about free range grass feed and wild meats btw..