@fractalsauce Jumper wire for series mod worked excellent! Thought to share as no one has commented on testing with the 4 cable method with this mod. My Helix Floor digital effects through the loop now is awesome with my 2007 3Ch Dual Rec. Best results I found was setting the "Loop active output" level pot on front of amp to 2 O'Clock. The "Send level" pot on back also to 2 O'Clock. Make note: If you have a Helix effects through the loop in 4 cable method, be sure to have a FX loop block in your patch before your delay, modulation.etc. Your volume knob on the Helix will also be your amps subsidiary volume with wet effects. Master volume on amp at 1/4 volume as a start point. I am going to install a small 9 post toggle switch to enable both series and parallel options. Cheers!!
This is great. I have several mesa amps, and my 2005 triple rec was my least favorite. there was always a flabby quality in the low end I could never quite dial out. I tried eq's, boosts, compressors etc, but always preferred my Mesa mark series for the tight and punchy sound. Time based effects never sounded good in the loop.I did this fx loop mod tonight and can't believe the difference. Using a six band eq in the loop actually works now. Totally took the blanket over the speakers mush tone and now this thing can compete with my mark iv for tightness. Really the only reason I kept the amp is it was my first "good" amp, but really it just sat unused, now this thing rips and I'm finally happy with it lol.
So glad to hear this! And yeah I know exactly what you're talking about with the low end mush. Shortly after I did this mod I got a Wampler EQuator and put it into the FX loop after the gate and it's almost like an entirely different amp now. Still that same Dual Rec tone but dialed into a tighter, punchier modern feel. I love it. Really happy this mod got you to love your first good amp again! Awesome!
Big thanks to you Fractalsauce as well as to Warped pig for sharing your knowledge. My Dual Rec is now silent even with the volume cranked and with massive gain. Extremely pleased with the results of this mod!
TY greatly for sharing this! This also worked on my triple rectifier just now. I am not great at soldering and was able to complete this mod. Side note, if anyone is into the synergy modules, this mod made mine work with the mesa loop too (not a problem in other amps with serial fx loops). Super awesome!
Nice work! I was wondering if it is required to bridge the two remaining cables after the one cable was removed? If i set the mix poti to 100% the resitance of it is nearly 0 OHM anyhow.
@@fractalsauce ah sorry my bad I am referring to the two ports which you connect with the black wire. I have removed the wire (right position) but did not touch left and middle position. It works as described, send and return need to be connected, and mix poti at 100 % ~ 0 Ohm. Any thoughts about that?
@@maxleinenbach2737 Are you referring to the 3 gray wires I cut? From left to right they are pins 3, 2, & 1. Take a separate 22 gauge (or higher) wire and solder it to pins 3 & 2. The original gray wires that were connected to it should not be connected and are no longer used. It basically makes the mix pot inactive, so regardless of if it's at 0% or 100% all of your wet signal should head to the power section. I hope that answers your question!
@@fractalsauce Yes i was referring to the pins (gray wires). I removed the wire from pin 1. The mix pot is now only connected to pin 2 & 3. Setting it to 100% should send only wet signal to power section or am I mistaken? A cleaner soluiton is obviously the one in your video bypassing the pot (resistance). Just curious if there is a downside to not bypassing the pot? It works like the presented solution.
@@maxleinenbach2737 Oh I see so all you did was remove the wire on pin 1 and kept the wires on pins 2 & 3 instead of soldering a jumper wire to them? Gotta be honest with you I don't know much about electronic schematics or how everything in the amp is wired together and what affects what. I just happened to find a solution online, tried it, and it worked so I made a video since I couldn't find one. With the method that I took, setting the mix pot to 100% or 0% makes no difference and 100% of the wet signal is always sent to the power section. If your method is working and you're not hearing any phasing issues, then by all means more power to you!
Hello, I have the dual rectifier multi watt, the problems is that the loop is always on, I switched of with the controller and always sounds, recently the power tube located behind the loop pre amp tube burned, It smell very bad, I replace and the amp power on and works but with the loop always on, what I have to do.?>
@@fractalsauce Thanks! I just did it today. It was super easy. There is definitely an improvement in sound but I'm still having phasing issues with my TC Electronic Sentry. That's okay though because I have an old Decimator that sounds better anyway.
@@brianbowersox8392 Just saw your comment, congrats! Glad you were able to get it taken care of. I don't have any experience with the TC Electronic Sentry, but I know of the Decimator. Personally, I use the Fortin Zuul noise gate pedal (which is similar in functionality to the Decimator) and it's perfect. The amp is dead silent when I'm not playing. No preamp hum whatsoever it's glorious.
I wanna do this mod because my preamp is noisy. With this configuration, is it still possible to use the fx loop? I wanna use the send of the fx loop and send it into the In of a noise gate then out of the noise gate and go in the return of the fx loop so it kills the noisy preamp. If this works, it means that you'll always need at least a 1/4 jumper in the fx loop, right?
This is exactly how I use my setup and was the precise reason I decided to do it. Yes, if you put a noise gate in the fx loop it will kill the preamp noise, and yes you always need and least a 1/4" jumper between the send and return of the fx loop. Good luck!
@@fractalsauce Man, thanks a lot! Really appreciate it! There is something make me scratch my head tho. I've seen a lot of people that solder two wires of the mix pot together then solder them on the middle terminal. Do you know why? Wait! Here's what I've read: 1: remove grn wire (short) between fx send ctr. terminal and fx mix pot. 2. Move long grn. from board to fx send ctr. terminal (from fx mix pot) 3. Solder orange from fx return jack to red on ctr. of mix pot 4. Loop will now be series, fx send level pot still active, fx mix pot not. I don't know if you understand what that means...
@@davidlajeunesse2168 old comment, but I think it depends on the model. As you can see in this vid the fx mix knob doesn’t have those wires accessible 👍🏻
Hey just letting you know that this does indeed work! I had nothing plugged into the front of the amp and nothing plugged into the FX send and just had my guitar plugged straight into the FX return and a clean guitar signal came out of the cab. Really cool that this works, I'm going to have to experiment with this. Thanks for the idea!
@@tomknoops6845 Glad to help! I might just get myself a new preamp pedal :D Do you have any suggestions? I haven't really done any research in that department.
@@fractalsauce i have a ksr ceres i use with a SD powerstage 170 , sounds really really good ! Wonder how it would sound with the power section of the boogie 😄!
@@kane11299 You're very welcome! I was so surprised to not be able to find a video anywhere on the internet for this very popular amp with such a simple mod. Figured if I was going to do the mod, why not take matters into my own hands and make the video I couldn't find! 😁
After finishing this mod, is there a quiet signal Like string noise and such that you can hear when the gate is shut or it’s completely silent? I’ve been having this issue with my Mark V which has a series fx loop but it bleeds a quiet signal past the loop somehow and I’ve emailed Mesa extensively but they’ve been no help. I use the zuul as well so that’s why I figured I’d ask! Thanks
I tried this mod on my 3ch DR , but after the mod i lost a lot of power and amp sounds like someone put a blanket over the speakers. Any ideas? Thank youW When i bypass the loop, amp sounds allright
I got the same, but i use it this way, constant effect loop with a/b switch for wet/dry 👌 and 15band eq in loop gives new tones this amp has never heard before, highly recommend it.
Strange how easy this is. Ive seen this mod done where the 3 transistors were also removed and jumped as well but you left them alone. Any comments on that?
It was for me. I called up the local Mesa amp tech in my area and he said it wasn't possible and he wouldn't do it. So I had to take matters into my own hands. I too was surprised by how seemingly simple it was to do this. I did the mod 4 months ago and have yet to have any issues.
Does anybody have experience doing this on the Rectifier Recording Preamp? I’m trying to do a 4 cable method setup with mine. Works great on my Studio Preamp but just phases like crazy on my Recto. Help!
@fractalsauce Jumper wire for series mod worked excellent! Thought to share as no one has commented on testing with the 4 cable method with this mod. My Helix Floor digital effects through the loop now is awesome with my 2007 3Ch Dual Rec. Best results I found was setting the "Loop active output" level pot on front of amp to 2 O'Clock. The "Send level" pot on back also to 2 O'Clock. Make note: If you have a Helix effects through the loop in 4 cable method, be sure to have a FX loop block in your patch before your delay, modulation.etc. Your volume knob on the Helix will also be your amps subsidiary volume with wet effects. Master volume on amp at 1/4 volume as a start point. I am going to install a small 9 post toggle switch to enable both series and parallel options. Cheers!!
Glad to hear it worked well for you!
This is great. I have several mesa amps, and my 2005 triple rec was my least favorite. there was always a flabby quality in the low end I could never quite dial out. I tried eq's, boosts, compressors etc, but always preferred my Mesa mark series for the tight and punchy sound. Time based effects never sounded good in the loop.I did this fx loop mod tonight and can't believe the difference. Using a six band eq in the loop actually works now. Totally took the blanket over the speakers mush tone and now this thing can compete with my mark iv for tightness. Really the only reason I kept the amp is it was my first "good" amp, but really it just sat unused, now this thing rips and I'm finally happy with it lol.
So glad to hear this! And yeah I know exactly what you're talking about with the low end mush. Shortly after I did this mod I got a Wampler EQuator and put it into the FX loop after the gate and it's almost like an entirely different amp now. Still that same Dual Rec tone but dialed into a tighter, punchier modern feel. I love it. Really happy this mod got you to love your first good amp again! Awesome!
Dude! Thanks for linking back to my site. I appreciate it and I'm glad you found it useful.
Just did this on my Solo 50 Recto. Took about 2 minutes. Thank you!
Glad to help!
Big thanks to you Fractalsauce as well as to Warped pig for sharing your knowledge. My Dual Rec is now silent even with the volume cranked and with massive gain.
Extremely pleased with the results of this mod!
TY greatly for sharing this! This also worked on my triple rectifier just now. I am not great at soldering and was able to complete this mod. Side note, if anyone is into the synergy modules, this mod made mine work with the mesa loop too (not a problem in other amps with serial fx loops). Super awesome!
Fantastic!
I can confirm, this same mod works on the 2005 rectifiers. Identical, well more tubes to take out! :)
Awesome glad to hear it!
Do you still have to have a patch cable in even when loop is bypassed?
EXCELLENT. God bless.
This can be done to a 3 channel Dual rect?
Yes. The one in the video is a 3 channel Dual Rectifier
@@fractalsauce Do you still recommend this mod on the 3 channel dual rect to play Metal?
Excellent, I have a 2000 3ch DR and I can’t stand Mesa’s serial FX-Loop so looking forward to doing this quick mod!
So I have a single rectifier.. would this be applicable with what I have ?
Nice work! I was wondering if it is required to bridge the two remaining cables after the one cable was removed? If i set the mix poti to 100% the resitance of it is nearly 0 OHM anyhow.
I'm sorry I'm not sure which 2 cables you're referring to?
@@fractalsauce ah sorry my bad I am referring to the two ports which you connect with the black wire. I have removed the wire (right position) but did not touch left and middle position. It works as described, send and return need to be connected, and mix poti at 100 % ~ 0 Ohm. Any thoughts about that?
@@maxleinenbach2737 Are you referring to the 3 gray wires I cut? From left to right they are pins 3, 2, & 1. Take a separate 22 gauge (or higher) wire and solder it to pins 3 & 2. The original gray wires that were connected to it should not be connected and are no longer used. It basically makes the mix pot inactive, so regardless of if it's at 0% or 100% all of your wet signal should head to the power section. I hope that answers your question!
@@fractalsauce Yes i was referring to the pins (gray wires). I removed the wire from pin 1. The mix pot is now only connected to pin 2 & 3. Setting it to 100% should send only wet signal to power section or am I mistaken? A cleaner soluiton is obviously the one in your video bypassing the pot (resistance). Just curious if there is a downside to not bypassing the pot? It works like the presented solution.
@@maxleinenbach2737 Oh I see so all you did was remove the wire on pin 1 and kept the wires on pins 2 & 3 instead of soldering a jumper wire to them? Gotta be honest with you I don't know much about electronic schematics or how everything in the amp is wired together and what affects what. I just happened to find a solution online, tried it, and it worked so I made a video since I couldn't find one.
With the method that I took, setting the mix pot to 100% or 0% makes no difference and 100% of the wet signal is always sent to the power section. If your method is working and you're not hearing any phasing issues, then by all means more power to you!
Thank you so much for this. ❤
Just curious, the wire you used, was it 22 awg braided aluminum?
This was a while ago but I know it was 22 gauge. Most likely stranded tinned copper wire, don't think it was braided aluminum
Hello, I have the dual rectifier multi watt, the problems is that the loop is always on, I switched of with the controller and always sounds, recently the power tube located behind the loop pre amp tube burned, It smell very bad, I replace and the amp power on and works but with the loop always on, what I have to do.?>
Thanks for the video. I plan on doing this soon for my old Dual. Did you do anything to drain the caps?
No I just let the amp sit for about 24-36 hours before I started the mod. Basically just did it on a day I hadn't played at all.
@@fractalsauce Thanks! I just did it today. It was super easy. There is definitely an improvement in sound but I'm still having phasing issues with my TC Electronic Sentry. That's okay though because I have an old Decimator that sounds better anyway.
@@brianbowersox8392 Just saw your comment, congrats! Glad you were able to get it taken care of. I don't have any experience with the TC Electronic Sentry, but I know of the Decimator. Personally, I use the Fortin Zuul noise gate pedal (which is similar in functionality to the Decimator) and it's perfect. The amp is dead silent when I'm not playing. No preamp hum whatsoever it's glorious.
I wanna do this mod because my preamp is noisy. With this configuration, is it still possible to use the fx loop? I wanna use the send of the fx loop and send it into the In of a noise gate then out of the noise gate and go in the return of the fx loop so it kills the noisy preamp.
If this works, it means that you'll always need at least a 1/4 jumper in the fx loop, right?
This is exactly how I use my setup and was the precise reason I decided to do it. Yes, if you put a noise gate in the fx loop it will kill the preamp noise, and yes you always need and least a 1/4" jumper between the send and return of the fx loop. Good luck!
@@fractalsauce Man, thanks a lot!
Really appreciate it!
There is something make me scratch my head tho. I've seen a lot of people that solder two wires of the mix pot together then solder them on the middle terminal. Do you know why?
Wait! Here's what I've read:
1: remove grn wire (short) between fx send ctr. terminal and fx mix pot.
2. Move long grn. from board to fx send ctr. terminal (from fx mix pot)
3. Solder orange from fx return jack to red on ctr. of mix pot
4. Loop will now be series, fx send level pot still active, fx mix pot not.
I don't know if you understand what that means...
@@davidlajeunesse2168 old comment, but I think it depends on the model. As you can see in this vid the fx mix knob doesn’t have those wires accessible 👍🏻
Is it possible to use the the fx return only after this mod ?? Like: guitar ->preamp pedal ->fx return ( to use as only power amp)
That's an interesting question I'm not really sure. I'll have to give that a shot next time I'm at band practice. If I can remember I'll let you know
Hey just letting you know that this does indeed work! I had nothing plugged into the front of the amp and nothing plugged into the FX send and just had my guitar plugged straight into the FX return and a clean guitar signal came out of the cab. Really cool that this works, I'm going to have to experiment with this. Thanks for the idea!
@@fractalsauce i might do it myself now 😄 thanks for the info man !
@@tomknoops6845 Glad to help! I might just get myself a new preamp pedal :D
Do you have any suggestions? I haven't really done any research in that department.
@@fractalsauce i have a ksr ceres i use with a SD powerstage 170 , sounds really really good ! Wonder how it would sound with the power section of the boogie 😄!
Think im gonna put a switch in mine to toggle between series and parallel.
You think the triple is the same mod?
nvm, just did the mod it's exactly the same. TY for the video!
@@kane11299 You're very welcome! I was so surprised to not be able to find a video anywhere on the internet for this very popular amp with such a simple mod. Figured if I was going to do the mod, why not take matters into my own hands and make the video I couldn't find! 😁
After finishing this mod, is there a quiet signal Like string noise and such that you can hear when the gate is shut or it’s completely silent? I’ve been having this issue with my Mark V which has a series fx loop but it bleeds a quiet signal past the loop somehow and I’ve emailed Mesa extensively but they’ve been no help. I use the zuul as well so that’s why I figured I’d ask! Thanks
Hi, I made the mod you showed in the video, unfortunately after reworking the amp lost a lot of signal, do you know what I could have done wrong?
I would make sure 1) you used a good jumper or wire; 2) the soldering was done well. You don't want to see a cold joint or to not use enough solder.
We're you able to "rectify" the problem. 😖
Love it!
I tried this mod on my 3ch DR , but after the mod i lost a lot of power and amp sounds like someone put a blanket over the speakers. Any ideas? Thank youW
When i bypass the loop, amp sounds allright
I got the same, but i use it this way, constant effect loop with a/b switch for wet/dry 👌 and 15band eq in loop gives new tones this amp has never heard before, highly recommend it.
I actually solved this, i had to remove the 3 FETs and jumper 2, after that amp sounds marvelous. I suspect shitty FETs
Strange how easy this is. Ive seen this mod done where the 3 transistors were also removed and jumped as well but you left them alone. Any comments on that?
Is it really this easy? A friend of mine spent 150 at a shop for this.
It was for me. I called up the local Mesa amp tech in my area and he said it wasn't possible and he wouldn't do it. So I had to take matters into my own hands. I too was surprised by how seemingly simple it was to do this. I did the mod 4 months ago and have yet to have any issues.
Does anybody have experience doing this on the Rectifier Recording Preamp? I’m trying to do a 4 cable method setup with mine. Works great on my Studio Preamp but just phases like crazy on my Recto.
Help!