14th-15th Century Armour, Battle of the Nations and Augusto Boer Bront - Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2017
- XIVth Century European Armour Facebook - / xivcenturyeuropeanarmour
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Knyght Errant - / neosonic66
Augusto Boer Bront and I talk about his 14th Century Armour Facebook page and Battle of the Nations armour. Part 1 of 2. - กีฬา
IAN LASPINA, WE KNOW YOU ARE HERE
**ducks out of view**
Knyght Errant
MrArchonAlarion is a summoner!
I love how Matt asked and answered how's my pronunciation.
Man, your new editing workflow is *really* paying off! Love the fact that you're just inserting these little images and even video clips PIP at the bottom of the screen now!
100% agree with the thing about macho silouhettes... I was bored a while back and tried to sketch a modern soldier's equipment, but as if it was made by a 15th century designer. All functionally the same, just different shape and cut. Wasn't surprised by how weird it looked.. but it's what most re-enactors do, in reverse.
I for one would be interested in seeing these sketches. Are they anywhere online?
I would love to see them too!
You can see that in video games too. If we look something like Assassin's Creed for example, Altair (the protagonist in the first AC) looks like normal athlete, whereas in later games the protagonists look like steroids and gym. A bodybuilder. Not that I would personally care about Assassin's Creeds, but overall the trend is pretty annoying.
Sadly didn't keep them, for my lack of artistic ability. Think tight combat trousers, lower ankle boots with mild point, tight waist seam with rounded upper panels on the jacket, and a US style helmet that just comes down a bit lower and a closer fit. Pouches on the peplum section to keep weight on the waist. Looked the opposite of "badass".
Sounds pretty badass to me, but then again I really like the medieval aesthetic.
There we go again with the nodding approval... :D
that's so cool he's from fiore's hometown.
the maresciall Matt metioned, Jean II Le Meingre called Boucicaut, was able to walk on his and hands climb a stair with his hands only while wearing a fullplate armor
I've seen pictures of our American Rennassaise fairs. Some of the things that people wear...
Otherwise, I do think it's a kind of good fun, having an event for mixing periods. Seeing a 12th century knight side by side with a 15th century one just sounds like a cool concept.
Oh shit! I follow XIV Century European Armour and seen his excellent PDF catalogue of all known armours from the period, but I didn't realise it was him! That's awesome :D
HE NODDED TO US IN THE BEGINNING! HE KNOWS HE IS A MEME!
I became a meme as soon as the first video about pollaxes was published. By then we already filmed all the other videos, so there was no way of knowing it would be a thing =).
I sort of feel a little guilt over this.
Too late, the meme is born. I just will have to live with it =).
Jim Riven jn
*nods in agreement*
Thank you both for taking the time to make a another fascinating video. I loved that you mentioned space marines! For all that their armour is a bit ridiculous when you stop to think about it from a practical point of view, it still looks really cool! It would be amazing to see a video assessing various suits of sci-fi armour - stormtrooper armour, space marine power armour, Fallout power armour etc with a view on how feasible (or not as the case may well be) it would be to fight in something designed like that and how their designers could learn from historic examples.
Well, considering the weight of all that steel, it would only be feasible if we managed to make a cybernetic exo-skeleton, like you see on the fallout 4 power armour. That would take the weight off your shoulder, making it possible to use a lot heavier gauge armour. It's common sense really, if you add a skeletal framework with engines to move it, and it can take a lot of weight, that means you can cover yourself head to toe in near (if not completely) indestructible, fat slabs of steal or titanium. In the next part they mention a really thick helmet, being thick enough to resist pistol bullets. I'm fully convinced the power armour as shown in fallout 4 would be able to resist really powerful rifles, and maybe even grenade fragments and stuff like that too. Of course, something like that would be just completely pointless to swing at with something like a warhammer or pole axe, simply because the energy would disperse long before it reached your body. Sorry, rambled on a bit there.
Haha! Very true! I still think that the size of the pauldrons might be a hinderance in combat, for instance when trying to abduct their arms by ninety degrees or more. I vaguely recall some of the lore explaing that the pauldrons are auto-reactive and moved on a collection of servo-motors to avoid inhibiting movement or vision. I still think that the pauldrons would be more practical if they were a bit smaller though, but I know that they were designed to look cool rather than to offer a serious speculation of what future armour might look like and still love space marines and their aesthetic.
Inge Bolme, I completely agree that the practicality of power armour depends upon the powered frame that allows the wearer to move without encumbrance despite the armours weight. Even though melee weapons could not penetrate the plates of armour, do you think that they could be used to stab through weak points such as joints, much like when fighting a knight who was wearing a full plate harness? If so, maybe that would be more effective than use conventional personal firearms?
Augusto's gone through his studies and research really many years by now, so has Matt. You two with Mr. Capwell and Ian La Spina make a great team and put a lot of knowledge together for the community. Always look ahead, for you are widely supported!
If you do want a multi-period event in the UK then i have to recommend the English Heritage festival of history, it's an annual event held at Kelmarsh Hall in northamptonshire, they literally have re-enactor groups covering everything from the bronze age up to WWII with the added bonus of a fantastic lecture tent with top rate speakers and hands down the BEST living history market ever, it covers just as many periods as the festival itself, you can buy anything from roman medical implements, Viking weapons and WWII uniforms and pretty much everything in between, it is well worth a visit
Not currently being held, not sure if it will resurface.
well that's a load of bollocks, it was by far the best event on EH's calander
God damn I need more!!! Didn't realize how fast twelve minutes go during the interview.
Looking forward to part two!
Our American Renaissance Festivals are like 50% historical 50% fantasy, so it's kinda hard to dress up historically without people thinking you're from game of thrones or something
Good interview , Thank you both for sharing .
Funny thing you say that comment about the hose, I imiagine it would a lot harder to fit and wear well fitted leg armor over modern day pants. Also, the evening dress fit look could be minimizing the amount of torso grab and pull points on the garment. Make for a wierd look but it does certain logic to it.
One brief point- Western European countries & Poland are all members of the IMCF not Battle of Nations which was formed a few years ago. They are a separate organisation to Battle of Nations
I have a mate who's into HMB, and I saw the mini event they held at History Alive this year. Super cool bunch of guys all in 14th C inspired armour. Would be a super cool sport to get into, but ye gads the cost of a harness isn't easy to swallow, and yea, they cop a beating.
Greig Burges Super exhausting as well!
Interesting stuff as always.
Helmet in the well sounds like the medieval equivalent to shoes on a telephone line.
Love Ian!
*nodding intesifies*
"Up for a round of Gwent?"
Agusto the Nodder!
Ah, gothenburg, that expalins why it sometimes sounds like Augusto have a Swedish acent when he speaks. It did confuse me quite allot.
Swedish accent? Really? Where?
10:18 You don't want that taken out of context :)
Titanium also avoids corrosion issues
14th Century?
Augusto??
The Romance of Alexander??? (One of my favorite manuscripts honestly.)
Scholagladiatoria Daily Upload????
I'll take all of the above.
Matt always talks about how he's so old, but he only graduated 3 years ahead of me. Crap, does that mean I'm old?
That moment when I realized who Matt is talking to
The exact reason why I stopped with HMB(buhurt) and moved to historical reconstruction. As I started with Buhurt first soon I started to get knowledge showing how terrible wrong HMB is.
I think it's as simple as why hema practitioners don't look accurate obviously either. Its a sport. You need the extra padding to do it day in and day out. It simulates as much realism as it can while still having people sign up to do it. Hema wouldn't have anyone in it if tournaments were historically accurate and unarmored. Their armor is as real as full force combat can realistically and sustainably allow.
That's a pretty ironic name for someone who's an armor enthusiast. Boar Brunt.
The vice sports footage you used is from ACL and IMCF not battle of the nations.
Here's a question that could make a video.
If you're fighting against an opponent in full plate harness, and you're only lightly armored (let's say: kettle helm, gambeson, and brigandine) would it be better for you to use a halberd, so the extra reach might make up for your incomplete armor or a pollaxe since it would be better at getting through your opponent's armor?
As ArtArmour workshop ( th-cam.com/channels/1mDwhjVzAkRyW7ZeAAy5DA.html ) states in its videos and on a website, they produce armour that ranges in complexity and in protection level. There are 2 general categories of both: reproduction vs sporty stylisation, modern manufacture (like torches and power tools) vs. all authentic manufacture (hand hammered). Usually their sporty models are based of the same designs, but offer more protection. Like they might have a mail coif which is reinforced by plates on the inside because client wanted his harness to have mail for looks, but this sport requires hard cover for chin, neck etc. because of constant threat of blunt trauma there... and armourer wants his clients to stay alive. They also constantly evolve their armour based on hands-on "tests" on the tournament. I belive it's the same as historical process of tournament armour evolution. Which started by adding more padding, then reinforcements for "scoring" zones (helmet first of all) and ended in a completely new type of harness.
What I mean to say is that both fighters and craftsmen are most of the time aware of their degree of authenticity, but they have to adapt while trying to keep a look: some designs are natural evolutions of XIV century artifacts, some are combinations of customer's desired look and safety requirements.
Im not an armor expert but i thought tournament armor are different to battlefield armor? Since the main concern in tournament's is safety and in the battlefield its the ballance of protection and mobility?
Why does Boer Bront make me think of Mormont with Bron.....
Geor Morbront
Who was that dude you were talking about? Marshall Buseco? Can't find anything with google, not sure I have the right name. I figure he's an actual marshal, rather than it being his name?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Le_Maingre
scholagladiatoria thank you
I've lived in Germany, Austria and Switzerland; countries full of castles, but I haven't ever seen a medieval fair. Do they only exist in US and UK???
No they exist all over Europe, plus the US, Canada, Australia, NZ etc
So there is actually a course about armor in Gothenburg University. Too bad it isn't in Linköping which is like 2 hours away cause I would have tried it.
No there's not. It's an applied arts faculty. I'm just using armour as my artistic medium. They don't teach you armour stuff at all.
Aha I see thanks for pointing it out :)
But Russians have less padding, and they look more historically accurate. And more padding its definitely for more protection, this fights are very brutal and frequent then more protection is good.
swietoslaw They also cheat.
LOL, some proof?
BIGGAMANLY
How do you spell that name? Feuro de Libre? or something?
Fiore dei Liberi
Cheers Matt
American Ren fairs are certainly more fantasy than factual/historical, from what I've seen but they're still a lot of fun. But then that's the point, isn't it? After all, it's not like we've got any historical reason to have one... ( Why bother with a "living history" celebration of somewhere else? ) Personally, I'd rather go to the one in Augusto's home town than one here, but that gets more than a little pricey real quick.
Still, where else in the U.S. can you get away with shooting some fool in a "Sheriff of Nottingham" get-up in the face with padded arrows, at 25 yards? ; - )
If I google his name in German google it says:
"Meintest du: August Bier Brot
"
'Did you mean: August beer bread"
No Google. I did not.
battle of the nations armour isn;t authentic :O what a shock
We mix periods at renfaires because there isnt enough interest to do anything more specific.
Its kind of sad to know that freaking my little pony can get its own adult oriented conventions outside of places like comic con, but we cant get enough people together to do a period event like you guys get.
Yeah, American Renfests are horrible when it comes to historical accuracy.