Set the alarm! Restoring a Seiko Bell-matic "UFO"
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- Today we have Rui's watch on the bench, a Seiko Bell-matic from 1971. It is affectionally known as the "UFO" given its likeness to a dive watch with that same moniker at the time, and it's a very cool watch!
Join me for a full restoration of this watch as we also discuss the collapse of authoritative sources of information and the impact on all of us thereof. As always we'll go on a few detours, including a wonderful rendition of Old Man River, and we'll go absolutely berserk with a hammer!
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Man, I am lost for words! Chapeau ! :)))
…and on the subject- this was the best filmed and edited video on this topic one can find here. Image quality, the angles, the black finger cods … I dare anyone to prove me wrong! Glad you kept the three signature moments the same: the case dipping in the cleaning solution, the balance wheel spinning and , of course, the ultrasonic…
Lastly, to your first question: METAL ALL THE WAY! 🤘🏻
Be safe and stay wise !
Another great job. Now on the rant: I began watchmaking about a year ago and am totally TH-cam trained. I have been able to discern the the channels I watch for education and those I watch out of boredom or for a laugh. However, those of you that I follow for education sure have cost me a lot of money.😂😂😂. You can tell your wife that a regular viewer said she should be proud to have a partner with such passion, civility, and an eloquent way of expressing it. 🍷🍷my friend and TaTa
The fact that you bring out a hammer to solve issues makes you the best Norwegian watchmaker I know 👍💯
Your humor is perfect; never change it, and thank you for restoring this beautiful timepiece. I hope you're recovering well from your cold. Take care of yourself, and we’ll see you on the next rescue.
Yes, maybe he can teach us how to rub on Seiko dials and turn the watch into a Rolex 🤣
@@Kevins-Philippine-Retirement I’d love to get my hands on that magic power.
Yes, Stian, love it. You are certainly the best Norwegian watch maker I know (please ignore the fact you're the only Norwegian watch maker, I know). Because of your channel, a vintage Seiko will become part of my collection in the not too distant future. Thanks for sharing.
Beautiful work on a beautiful watch.
Good job!👍
Very cool! I own a Seiko automatic I purchased during college in the early '80s and it still runs. Recently the day/date complication stopped functioning. I believe because at one time I tried to change the date when the hour and minute hands were not in an optimal position. Anyway, I can relate to this video and the sense of history and personal attachment involved. You did a fine job of balancing the degree of restoration!
Thanks, Ray!
Love the look of the watch, thanks for posting
Hello. Great to see you service a Bell Matic. I'm not a watchmaker, just a hobbyist who like to fiddle with watches, mostly Seiko, and I just love the Bell matics, I have 5 of them now, and have serviced them all by my selves. The 4006 is a great movement to work on I think.
Greetings from Norway 🙂
Wow, hvis du har fikset 5 Bell-matics selv tror jeg du kan kalle deg selv en urmaker :) Godt gjort, Ole Johan!
Nice work. The Seiko 4006A is an engineering marvel. I have serviced and restored a few of these Bell-Matics. Very challenging movement to work on; in particular the keyless and alarm mechanism. Thanks for sharing. Just the way I would have done it in terms of restoration.
Another brilliant video on your great workmanship, expertise and light touch on an incredibly complicated, but highly innovative watch, combined with serious "rants" on getting truthful information, which has always been a key knowledge that is extremely difficult to acquire.
Great video 👍🏴
Well, .. I love your work..and commentary during your restoration and reconditioning of this great movement..(and your other work)..and I'm sure I can speak for others, that you may underestimate your talent and skills. You commented that you probably the 'best watchmaker in your town, but your vids prove that you're probably one of the best out there today. II really enjoy your Utubes.. Love your extensive assortment of tools and your skill in using them...ie: shrinking the bridge pivot holes to better suit motion of the works. Great little quips..here and there... Nice job on the clasp..Had to be a Seiko clasp...Right on...! Great winding/rotor setup..and super job on the case.. Kudos to you Sir..!!
Another great video! Do you see any difference in the quality of movements from 50 years ago to present day?
I love your videos and especially your commentary. It is so true that critical thinking is so important in anything we do and especially watch on the internet. I'm a retired engineer so I have applied this throughout my career and, of course, can't turn it of now. Please continue with your work and producing your excellent videos.
Thank you so much!
I love your videos. One day, I want to work on watches myself. Thank you!
Go for it!
Awesome job on that. I must admit, the first bellmatic I worked on took a week of troubleshooting to figure out. It was my first alarm watch, and now I have a few more fixer uppers to work on and a Le Jour alarm watch to work on as well!
Fine job on the case just enough to make it pop! As always enjoy the audio
Excellent video though I'm sure there was some skulduggery moving those letters around on the bracelet. :-) Photography and the lighting exceptional as usual.
Ding dong I love that gong.
Very nice watch indeed 🥰
Metal parts are my favourite.
Fantastic job! And lots of humour :D... The Seiko is now beautiful! I am actually in way to retire and thinking to get into vintage watches "repair"... or at least maintenance (...) I see it's a looong way to be good at it.. I'll start with pocket watches but wonder about all tools and materials needed, do you have any tips and tricks to give? Thanks for your videos, very instructive and fun too!
nice job
Recently picked up a bell matic and its great to see the strip down procedure. Out of interest what should a professional restoration like in this video cost?
They're very cool! Restoration costs vary with the work needed of course, but some $500, I'd say
You left out the setting wheel rocker. Which you must have corrected before moving to the dial and hand setting. Just don't remember hearing you mention it.
Hi Stian,
Long time subscriber here, everytime like button presser, extremely rare commenter.
At what age you decided on your career change and how hard was to actually do it? You were always passionate about watches?
Myself I am 37yo and worked so far in IT, retail, hardware/gardening/powertools and now 4 months in my first Automotive Industry job. Never found my previous jobs to be very fulfilling on a personal level. Reignited my passion for watches (wich I had from a small age lusting over my dad's timepiece) on Christmas 2019 and went from a 2 piece collection to 20-30 pcs. Always been passionate about (micro)mechanics and a huge history nerd.
All the best from south-east Ireland and Happy Christmas!
Hello Mihai, thanks for sharing your story! Mine is actually very similar to yours, I always had an interest in watches and started teaching myself a bit more about the innards when I was about 35 or so. Then I got a bit more serious and enrolled in the BHI's Distance Learning Course a few years later. I set up my own pet business a few years after that again but only decided to completely leave the corporate rat race when I was close to 50. At that point I realized it was then or never and I have not looked back. I must also say I had good earning jobs and was a bit reluctant to leave that safe salary behind in exchange for a bit more uncertain income.
As a Norwegian I like to say that "there's always a taller mountain" when talking about work careers. There's always something bigger and better you can strive for, but at the end of the day, does it really make you happy? You only have one life and the most important thing should be to spend it doing something that makes you happy (and of course also makes enough money for you to survive). Being happy with your work is so important it cannot be overstated. You spend more time at work than anything else in life, so if your work doesn't make you happy, you might just be losing out on happiness.
But as with anything else, decisions we make impact our loved ones also, so my choices might not be suitable for everyone else.
Happy Christmas to you and yours also and I wish you lots of enjoyment with whatever you choose to do :)
Good content, nice chatting! Subscribed.
Maybe a little more detail on the case and strap restoration would be nice.
Yep, I was planning to but didn't notice my phone ran out of battery as I was recording that... 😟 There'll be a lot more detail on that in upcoming videos 👍
Perfect
Don't be so modest. In any case you're the best and master watchmaker in your house.
I hope so! 😂
Fantastico
"One thing you'll see me do when there's a watch with a lot of parts is you'll see me putting a lot of the screws back."
Yeah, lesson learned. I'm working on my first complicated watch, a 4006 bellmatic right now and i literally just spent 2 hours staring at screws through a microscope trying to figure out which goes to which. The service document is very sloppy on this, appearing to list some screws with multiple lines on the material sheet as the same part number and other screws as separate part numbers for some reason. They look nearly identical and i'm still not 100% sure if what i identified as the bridge screws are even the bridge screws. They also forgot include a screw on the sheet at all, i was very confused when i had a screw left over after organizing them.
ALso thanks for standing up for critical thinking and understanding who actually knows what they're talking about and the importance of data and scientific research vs a random tiktoks and twitter goons trying to sell you silver toothpaste or brain pills. I live in america and i'm pretty sure these people are going to get us all killed, cv19 did a number on them but didn't get all of them.
I'm paying attention to your oiling in this. One thing i would love in future narrations is if you mentioned which oils and greases you used where. I can pretty much oil a 3 hand day/date watch in my sleep but theres like 70 oil points in this thing and i'm not entirely sure whether some of the actuating parts and non fully rotating parts need 1300 or a grease.
Yeah, social media is very dangerous if you're not critically filtering what you hear and see...
Moebius 9504 was the proper way(other than the Seiko S-4 grease) to lubricate the magic lever🙂
Great video - thank you for sharing. Interested in your lapping machine. Can I ask make/model etc please? Looks to do a good job and I am contemplating the purchase of one. Thanks
Hello Clint, I got mine from jertech.ch. You can ask for Eric Dagnas and say Stian referred you. These machines are heavy though and thus cost a lot to ship, so it might sometimes be better to source one locally.
The refresh hit the Goldilocks zone in my opinion. Thank you for addressing critical thinking, or the lack thereof -- especially in certain gun-totin' areas of the world. It should be taught in elementary school. Evidence matters! 😎 Keep up the good work.
Stian, wonderful as always buddy, thanks to you I'm now thoroughly hooked on watchmaking, you're extremely highly skilled, both with watches and film making, thank you for sharing, feel better soon 🙏
Perfect! Miss Fixodrop. Epilam sounds lame
I used to have a watch this shape. Nothing like Seiko quality, though.
I also remember Web 2, as well asthe original... And the predecessors.
Nice work here. Funny, when I was at school, No one would have a Seiko. Rumors about poor quality, unfixable/no parts. Clearly wasn't true.
Saw the missing tooth on the wheel in the train.
Good stuff on this 70s 'Psycho'. Thanks.
I realise case/bracelet restoration are swear words in some circles, but it would be great to showcase that part of the process a little more thoroughly, if you can. For example you skipped the bracelet restoration here. Few TH-camrs in my subs list go deeply into this. Perhaps the Nekkid Watchmaker is the one who does who springs to mind. Case restoration is very interesting. To me at least.
Hello Mark, thanks for watching! Yes, I'll feature more case and bracelet restorations going forward ;)
Thank you for doing interesting watches. Otherwise it can get a little samey when you see another 3 handed watch unless it’s an impressive maker or an impressive restoration. 😂
Ok… I rewound several times. I think the magic trick with the clasp was actually a camera trick. If you watch closely, as I did, you can see where the video was spliced just before the name changed to Seiko. You can fool some but not me. 😂
😂 I even left the old Casio clasp in the picture after the magic transformation!
Hey random guy on the internet.....good job
Thanks for the bit on critical thinking!
9:12 missing tooth alert!
Why do some balance wheels have tiny studs on them and others like this watch is just a smooth balance wheel?
Thanks for watching! Those tiny studs are timing screws, which were used before production methods were refined enough to ensure uniform weight distribution. You could either move the screws in or out a little bit to change the weight slightly, or you could cut the screws a bit, put washers on them or so on.
@@VintageWatchServices You still see them on newer watches. So it's done now more as an accent or styling than something needed for balancing? Seems age of the watch doesn't really determine if those studs are there or not.
@@VintageWatchServices And thanks for answering my question.
@@de-bodgery Yep, nowadays it's pretty much purely styling. There are much better ways of making balances. Just to be clear; I'm talking about balances with timing screws, typically some 16 or 18 screws. Free-sprung balances is a different thing, where you have typically four tiny weights which can be adjusted to distribute the weight evenly. These are used in high quality watches today.
@@VintageWatchServices I find what you do fascinating! The level of patience and delicacy needed is something I lack. I've attempted to service a few watches, but the end result was the watch was much worse off than it was when I got it.
That diatribe at approx 26:00 re information is just about as well as I’ve heard that put. America (my home country) is populated by people unskilled at the mentioned “critical thinking”
Просто super!!?
😊👍
I only watch watches ;)
I notice your daughter spoke English. Do you also speak German, French and Norwegian at home?
We speak mostly English and my wife speaks Mandarin. It's a long story, but I basically sacrificed Norwegian for Dutch when my son was almost three.
Finally looked up the epilame bottle price ... $100 to $200 U.S., new ... Really? Why? LOL ... Now I understand your prior fix-o-drop bottle comments... As always, great video Stian !
Regarding your rant:
1. You may well be the funniest Norwegian watchmaker in Switzerland. So don’t sell yourself short.
2. In evolutionary terms, humans are about two steps out of the cave, and they are certainly not more intelligent than they were thirty years ago. The internet has not only worked to spread ignorance around the world, but evidence of our ignorance as well.
(EDIT) 3. After hearing a CHILD ask to play Sudoku, I will admit that she seems to be THREE steps out of the cave. Good work!
36:44 Listen to your wife or mother on which grease/oil to use 😂 I love Seiko and the 70's style case. Great video and restoration. Thank you.
I think 3 presidents wore the Cricket: Eisenhower, Kennedy and I think Nixon.
Why do you refer to the watch as a "Psycho" Souldn't it be pronounced "Say-ko"? Or is it your cold?
*Is it better to say "Jay Jay La Coot" or "Jay Ger Lay Cool Tray" ?* (JAEGER-LECOULTRE)
I don't refer to Seiko as Psycho. I refer to it as Say-ko when pronounced by an Aussie :)
Hi Stian, again, as always, an excellent video, Buddy! You definitely deserve more than 30k subscribers.
Your running commentary about the different parts and functions is really appreciated. Also explaining why you do things is respected.
Your comments regarding the new world order, about job satisfaction and career changes is correct. Utube and the like are a source of huge inspiration from videos which we receive from Mentors like you. It is so refreshing and inspirational these days when you are not guaranteed a job for life. Or you loose your job. Our fathers worked for one company, loyally all their working lives from 8.00 to 17.30 daily. NO longer!
Your family interaction is the happy cherry on the top.
Please keep these informative videos coming. As an aging, inspiring watch restorer, with intended integrity, I hugely enjoy and appreciate them.
Best wishes to you all. Mark Maddison, Durban, South Africa.
Amazing self winding mechanism 🙂
I thought it funny that you pronounce it ‘Psycho’ and I know it as ‘Sayco’ (Scotland). Every day is a school day. 😊
*LOL* 🤣
I don't pronounce it as "Psycho". I pronounce it Say-ko as when spoken by an Aussie :)
@@VintageWatchServices Hah!
A disappointing case that won me over in the end. Well done. 👍
lovley seiko ❤😊
Thanks for another detailed video, Stian. And may I wish you and your family very Happy Holidays!
Does the smoothing broach actually just compress the metal, or does it remove some metal during the process?
Thanks Frank, and the same to you! The smoothing broach also removes a bit of metal, but very little. It's like a very fine file, thus it smoothes out the edges by removing the sharp parts.
First timegrapher reading could also show the watch playing "I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas"😂
😂👍
Yes, GUNK is the actual technical term. Also, very nice job. Thanks for sharing.
I had to translate the term scuzz for a Swiss watchmaker. Apparently the preferred term is GUNK for Norwegian english speakers?
We all know that while repairing this watch you were wearing flared trousers, a bri-nylon shirt, kipper tie and platform shoes...
Keeping it groovy babe.
😳 How did you know?
I noticed a lot of groves inside the barrel. I would assume that that would affect the main springs consistency. Could you have removed them on the lathe?
Hello Ed, thanks for watching and good question! Yes, grooves in the barrel might affect the consistent power of the mainspring, but only if they are deep enough to "catch" the mainspring. You can use the fingernail test for this; if you run your fingernail over the grooves and you feel resistance, you need to address it. Most of the time the grooves are only cosmetic and do not need work, as in this case.
*A wonderful job, which is becoming expected. For a > 50 years of age wristwatch, it's wonderful to see it gain another life. The approach of not making them look factory new is excellent. I have, unfortunately, avoided wearing new watches because of irrational fear of even small scratches. Watches should be used and enjoyed, typical wear & tear be damned.*
Interesting for sure, always. Love the fact that you pronounce Seiko and psyco about the same to my ear.
Oh, it's actually quite different, at least to me. If you imagine an Australian pronouncing the word "say", that would be closest, I think. The reason I pronounce it like this is that in Germanic languages the syllable "sei" is quite common and pronounced like I do. Thus after learning how to pronouce "sei" growing up, you just apply that to a foreign word when you first see it. Now I'm too old and stubborn to change it 😉
Schade, ich glaube solche Uhren baut Seiko heute nicht mehr.😔
Das war damals noch die gute alte Zeit.😊
An instant classic VWS video -- interesting watch and movement with a few twists, some deprecating Dad humor, an appearance by Stian's Mjölnir, and even a (mercifully) brief Barry White serenade. Top quality work all around. This is why you're among the best. Good to see you still are wearing the fitbit. Feel better soon and best holiday wishes to you and the family (how's the Waltham doing?)
What is a fitbit?
you are genius end marocos team end coach 😂
Enjoyed watching Stian, i should have made a channel, i like that you bring different movements that arn't that prolific, i enjoy fixing/servicing different movements myself, it's enjoyable finding faults and cleaning, got quite a few vintage watches now all running well, i just made a 36mm duver with a 70s eta 2824 from a Rotary square watch it's real nice and accurate too, you sounded like you was having a great time, thanks Stian cu soon lad. Dave from UK
Wow that is out of this world 🤦🤦🤦.. why can't watch parts cannot be cleaned with 91% alcohol?? Is that bad thing to clean watch parts?
No, but there might be better uses for that alcohol 😎
@@VintageWatchServices lol thankx
I'd say you're definitely the best Norwegian watchmaker in your Swiss canton whose TH-cam channel I subscribe to. Don't ever let anyone take that away from you!
I have a book or two on watchmaking which are meant to be instructional or references, and it's almost impossible to get useful information from them. Not because they hide anything or are too complex, but mostly because watchmakers of the mid-20th century and earlier _cannot write to save their lives._ Really, these things are just so unreadably bad that no matter what you do you end up skipping over entire paragraphs just so your eyes stay open. It doesn't help that at least 30% of the verbiage is not just unreadably bad, but irrelevant to why you might want such a book in the first place.
To anyone who can trust their critical thinking faculties, is willing to aggregate as you said, etc., the internet is much better.
Nice! I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for putting it together and sharing.
Very nice! Akkurat passe grad av oppussing i mine øyne. Ser fremdeles brukt ut, men ikke sliten lenger :-)
Your work is Just So Amazing! And Relaxing! Pure magic! You Must Have patience of Jobe.. Cheers Sir. Bravo! Go to TH-cam on how to steal cars... LOL LMAO.. hahahaha
Another fine job on my favourite make of watch with some good humour thrown in for good measure. Cheers
Such a beautiful movement in such a clunky case. I was wondering why Seiko didn't put the alarm spring in it's own barrel. It seems to me that anytime a spring is moving, there is a good chance for dust, oil, metal to be thrown all over the inside of the watch. Maybe I'm wrong and there is a way they contained this.
I loved the work you did on the case. It went from being quite ugly to just clunky. Thanks for your work even when you are sick, Barry.
It is a joy to be subscribed to your channel, Stian. Dad jokes are the best jokes.
Not only do you make a superb video of this challenging renovation; you persist in pronouncing the brand name as "Psycho" (please never correct that). Is this old beauty showerproof ?
Thanks. Hope you're having a great weekend. Cheers 🍻!
Balance is perfect; still retains that classic vintage 1970'S style.
Great watch! I love my Bellmatic. I've owned it for years and it's always been reliable - probably my most worn watch. My only issue is a slightly sticky quick adjustment for the date. I always have to pull it slightly back out in order to finish the date advancement.
Nice careful work on this unusual watch. I have a couple of Seikos, one with the 7S26 and one with the 4R36 movement. It is interesting that other movement makers haven't used the Seiko type autowind mechanism as I believe it is superior.
I also have a Birks branded double barreled alarm watch with a very hard to identify movement. I have seen similar ones, but not the same. I have managed to regulate it to about 0.5sec/day with a beat error of 0.1ms, so it is an amazing little movement.
I just won an Alarm watch on eBay! 80 Euro! Hopefully, the end result of mine will be acceptable once serviced. This will be my first alarm watch serviced, so a ton of photos will be in order.
Came across your channel while browsing TH-cam and subscribed
Cheers from Sydney Australia
So, how did you solve the missing tooth? Did i blink and miss it? Or did you just happen to have a replacement part -as my mother would say - "hidden up your knicker leg"😊😊😊😊
P.S., it appears as if those gears ⚙️, and watch movement “sandwich” are surgical stainless steel. Your friend, Jeff.
I think the Norwegian word for that stuff would start with ski. Norwegians love ski so it shouldn't be a problem ;)
Thanks a lot for this video, on this specific watch. I've serviced myself a Seiko bell-matic but I've not set correctly the alarm disk so it doesn't ring at the right time. Fortunately you just show how to fix this. I find the watch fantastic I think you found the exact balance between a nice looking watch and keeping the vintage style
While being somewhat humorous in places, what you said in this video was more important than what you were doing with the watch. There is an amazing amount more information about any topic you'd want to learn about than when I was say a high school student. For instance, I'd never have been able to learn how one fixes a mechanical watch then. Now there are multiple channels and even online courses to learn how. That said, there's also a certain amount of responsibility to filter out the good information from the not so good. There's a watchmaking channel I've seen (though watchbreaking would be more accurate) where the individual in question uses more oil (of the wrong type mostly) in two dabs than you do in an entire watch. Somebody who only ever saw that channel might think it was the right way to do it. You undertake repairs that those who hadn't bad some actual training would almost certainly mess up if they tried like fixing a kinked hairspring or similar. At this point I'm fairly confident that given the proper tools, I could disassemble, clean, and reassemble a basic mechanical watch with some expectation it would run when I was done and I may give that a try at some point.
Wonderful as always. A couple of questions please. For lapping you using a polish machine with a lapping wheel? Secondly, what us this case holder that you are using on that polish machine ? Thanks
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Yet another wonderful restoration, you are truly brilliant.
You mentioned the 'Gatekeeping' being gone but, to some extent I think it still exists insomuch as the cost of some of the tools needed is prohibitive to some folks. I like yourself and many others are fortunate enough to be able to buy certain branded tools but, it still makes the hobby difficult to get into without them............. imagine you're just getting into the hobby and you see a set of Bergeon mainspring winders or screwdrivers.
Thanks for another great video. Your videos have been very helpful on my journey of learning to restore vintage watches. However, I have reached the point where I want to learn how to adjust the watch so that it keeps accurate time in all positions. I noticed that you -- and most other producers of watch repair videos on TH-cam -- only regulate the watch in the dial-up position on the timegrapher. However, for some of my watches the beat rate varies considerably depending on the position. I expect one reason is that the balance wheel is out of balance and needs to be poised. So, I would very much appreciate a video on how to poise the balance wheel. Many thanks!
*Gravity and temperature affect a hairspring and the balance wheel. Design can reduce but never fully eliminate these effects. Mainspring power is also a factor. The best way to keep a mainspring and escapement movement within a certain range is to find out which off-the-wrist position counteracts the deviation occurring when worn, then ensure a good wind (at least 80%) when setting her down off wrist.*
I'm amused by the fact that when you say "Seiko" that it sounds as if (to my ears at least) you are saying "Psycho". 🤣
Fan-Effing-Tastic, Theon!. I have been looking for good videos on servicing alarm watches. I have one I plan on servicing, though it is working fine at the moment.
If I may relate a personal anecdote regarding alarm watches:
I lucked into a working Helbros alarm watch from the 1950s. What makes this particular one unique is the dial. Instead of the usual numerals going around the dial to indicate hours, it has the word LAMPLIGHTER where each letter replaces a number, except for the number 6. At the 6 o'clock position, instead of the number 6, it has what appears to be a ray of light coming down from the center of the dial and within it, it reads, "IT'S TIME".
I have not been able to find out anything about it, but I love it and enjoy wearing it.
This is 4006-70XX, I got another model 4005-7000. This is an amazing watch.
Metal
One of the cheapest mechanical alarm watch in the market, I've got the same seiko but the alarm is split and I didn't send for repairs because I just buy for collection
It's probably the most underrated seiko movement. If you want to get one ,get one with 25 jewels , one extra jewel on the barrel arbor makes a great difference .