big reason why i bought the 2024 forester instead of waiting for the refreshed 2025 or buying a 2024 outback it looks cool, but it's slow/laggy and having physical knobs is just so much more convenient
The issue with touch screens is that their flat, monotonous design makes it nearly impossible to develop muscle memory. Additionally, most touch screens are slow to respond. Using them often requires taking your eyes off the road or constantly shifting your focus between the screen and the road, which is a recipe for an accident. Carmakers are choosing to overlook the fact that things can go wrong in the blink of an eye.
100%. People change radio, play with Ac and volume. All the rest of this shit is tech that makes cars cost 35k instead of 23k. They need a ludite version of thier wilderness version for those of us who don't want more crap that breaks.
All new SUVs look like the same damn car. The outback is probably the only unique offering but they are making it so damn expensive even people who want to buy one like me go 48k and 5% financing? I'll wait to see if pricing come down.
@@beddythecorgi4269the dollar will continue losing value. It's a fiat currency. The prices aren't gonna come down. You might be able to negotiate MSRP OTD at best. Cars aren't more expensive, the money just isn't worth as much. If you can't afford a 48k car, there are plenty of great options in the 25-35k range brand new
The screen is actually what has been hurting sales of the outback. Families that have no option and need the size have been dealing with it in the ascent. Alot of people have bought foresters over the outback the last 2 years largely due to that screen. Its called knowing your consumers. Subaru people are largely simple no nonsense people who are value and reliability driven, 2 things that more tech on the long run is not. And or older people who have no use for huge tech screens.
Love the Forester. Up north when it gets snowy and rains like crazy, there’s no other AWD system I trust more. My mom’s old Outback and my dad’s old Forester are still running like champs today. I have a 2022 RAV4 and paid extra for the AWD model. Still had some slippage and lost control a few times on mud up in South Dakota this past year. I might sell it and go back to a Subaru just to be on the safe side.
$41K for such a boring basic car. Car prices are ridiculous. It seems manufacturers are determined to suck out the money as much as they can from consumers, since the “chip shortage” era.
They pack in bells and whistles we aren't even asking for. Like is anyone asking for a giant iPad? No. Bring back simple base model with knob controls!
Just buy the base model if you don't want all the upgrades. Simple. Car prices aren't ridiculous, it's just inflation. The dollar isn't worth as much so it seems like they cost more. Wages have stagnated too which makes them harder to obtain for the average person. They have plenty of brand new cars for 25k-35k which is inexpensive by today's standards
Just picked up a brand new 24’ Outback Onyx Edition with the turbo 2.4L. It has all the same tech as the Forester as well as the Jumbotron center display unit, but it’s a MUCH more satisfying driving experience with the turbo four and it’s not as boxy and formulaic. It still looks uniquely like an Outback, until the next generation at least..
@@forkthepork You may not know but that doesn't change anything. Subaru can't even work on them at their own dealerships. CVT's will not be in any brand that does actual work.
@@foch3 Fair enough. I don't need my Subaru for work. We take it camping in the mountains and get 35 mpg year in and year out, through all manner of snow, gravel, and highway cruising. And I've got a local mechanic who's not scared to work on it.
There's this thing called inflation. The dollar loses value every year since our currency is fiat. 24k in 2012 is a lot different than 24k today. There are still a few new cars you can get today for 24k anyways
I believe it will sell like hot cakes! Subaru is so much more capable than the other brands ( not putting the other brands down) just saying until you own one you won't understand. Love what Subaru is doing!!
My friends who own Subaru's say this is the ugliest forester ever made I don't deny it's an excellent car but highly doubt it will sell like "hot cakes" ✌️
sit in both of them and you'll instantly be turned off just bought a 2024 forester after checking out an escape, equinox and crv value in the forester (+ the 2.9% APR) was far greater and the american brands felt AWFUL
The gas cap doesn’t lock on the Equinox. They say they have an anti-siphon screen but someone could still vandalize your gas tank. That is a risk you cannot take in a city!! They are only safe maybe in the country. They will go for the farmers large gas tanks if they want to steal gas in the country.
Actually, nope. This one won't sell at all. Cos the previous generation is very reliable and lots of people will rather buy old generations with more knobs and all... And at the same time, we'll wait for the next generation. This one is a failure.
@JaggedMercenary If the previous generation was very reliable, how will this be any different? It will have the same reliability! The only thing that's changed is the sheet metal, infotainment(which has already been around many years in other subaru's) and interior materials. None of those will diminish reliability.
@@steve8803 I didn't mean that the reliability would be different. I'm sure that the new Forester has great reliability and performance. I meant that the people who prefer the 5th generation style (and judging from the comments, there are a lot) will skip the 6th generation, and buy second-hand 5th generation instead. Maybe even 4th generation, for those who want the turbo.
@@JaggedMercenary Every time a new vehicle is released, you will always see a lot of youtube comments from people who are disappointed. People struggle with change, but they usually warm up to it after a while. People who always buy new vehicles are not all of a sudden going to start buying used. When they are done with their current forester, they will either get a NEW forester or something else entirely different.
The engine is weak at 180 hp. They should have a better engine at a 41000$ price point. Hoping the hybrid is a more powerful option and is a fix for this.
What is really boring is waiting for the tow truck when you are stuck in an icy, snow filled parking lot!! That doesn’t happen when you’ve got X Mode!!
Reliable machine. A Canadian blogger living here in PH chose this car. Why? He live in the South of the Philippines, and roads here are like driving in an open pit mine. You need a reliable 4 wheel drive machine if you want to arrive in one piece to your destination.
@@johnc5915isn’t most of the Philippines like that? I went on a mission with my old church to Cebu City and it was horrific. Trash everywhere, feces and urine covering the alleys and streets, strife everywhere I looked. However, in its defense, India was far worse than the Philippines. But that’s another story.
Oh, it might sell a bit to uneducated, unknowledgeable fashionistas. But, it has long ago lost its traditional base, which did like the idea of rallying, if not actually attending a rally at POR or elsewhere. No more turbo, no more manual tranny and no more performance upgrades available. It's sad to see Subie turn it into a grocery getter.
The price alone kills it. Subaru gave so little and wants the consumer too much for a refresh. This car is dated compared to the competition. People don't fall for Subarus lazy attempt to call this all new.
The worst thing about new subaru's is the stupid iPad dash center screen. WE WANT PHYSICAL CONTROLS, NOT TESLA STYLE IPADS!!!!
big reason why i bought the 2024 forester instead of waiting for the refreshed 2025 or buying a 2024 outback
it looks cool, but it's slow/laggy and having physical knobs is just so much more convenient
The issue with touch screens is that their flat, monotonous design makes it nearly impossible to develop muscle memory. Additionally, most touch screens are slow to respond. Using them often requires taking your eyes off the road or constantly shifting your focus between the screen and the road, which is a recipe for an accident. Carmakers are choosing to overlook the fact that things can go wrong in the blink of an eye.
100%. People change radio, play with Ac and volume. All the rest of this shit is tech that makes cars cost 35k instead of 23k.
They need a ludite version of thier wilderness version for those of us who don't want more crap that breaks.
It looks like a 2013 Ford Explorer
😢
And rear end as Kia Sportage
All new SUVs look like the same damn car.
The outback is probably the only unique offering but they are making it so damn expensive even people who want to buy one like me go 48k and 5% financing? I'll wait to see if pricing come down.
...If Ford didn't make hot garbage...
@@beddythecorgi4269the dollar will continue losing value. It's a fiat currency. The prices aren't gonna come down. You might be able to negotiate MSRP OTD at best. Cars aren't more expensive, the money just isn't worth as much. If you can't afford a 48k car, there are plenty of great options in the 25-35k range brand new
I lost you when you showed that iPad of a navigation.
I don't want the giant 19in wheels. We should be able to option 17in on all trims.
Exactly! Smaller IS better in every way.
Then get a different trim or buy smaller wheels
@@wantsanewvehicle Why is better??
@@user-xb7dp4vu3r comfy drive.
@@user-xb7dp4vu3rbetter ride quality and larger tire side walls for driving im conditions these things are made for.
Same 2.5 180 HP 4 cylinder with school bus performance.
Did not know you were driving FI or the 401 in Toronto...
Spot on. If engines are measured in horsepower, the forester should be measured in donkey power
Not to mention a garbage CVT transmission.
An explorer and a rav4 had a love child.
The screen is actually what has been hurting sales of the outback. Families that have no option and need the size have been dealing with it in the ascent. Alot of people have bought foresters over the outback the last 2 years largely due to that screen. Its called knowing your consumers. Subaru people are largely simple no nonsense people who are value and reliability driven, 2 things that more tech on the long run is not. And or older people who have no use for huge tech screens.
Agree currently driving an Outback and i hate it, my uncle has a forester and all the knob just work perfectly,
That touchscreen technology is so old too. There is nothing new besides the screen size.
I agree having owned subarus for a decade
It does look too big...
Love the Forester. Up north when it gets snowy and rains like crazy, there’s no other AWD system I trust more. My mom’s old Outback and my dad’s old Forester are still running like champs today. I have a 2022 RAV4 and paid extra for the AWD model. Still had some slippage and lost control a few times on mud up in South Dakota this past year. I might sell it and go back to a Subaru just to be on the safe side.
$ 41,000 ain't cheap
Compared to what? A Mazda...?
The average price of a car is 48k
$41K for such a boring basic car. Car prices are ridiculous. It seems manufacturers are determined to suck out the money as much as they can from consumers, since the “chip shortage” era.
They pack in bells and whistles we aren't even asking for. Like is anyone asking for a giant iPad? No. Bring back simple base model with knob controls!
Just buy the base model if you don't want all the upgrades. Simple. Car prices aren't ridiculous, it's just inflation. The dollar isn't worth as much so it seems like they cost more. Wages have stagnated too which makes them harder to obtain for the average person. They have plenty of brand new cars for 25k-35k which is inexpensive by today's standards
CVT and silicone gaskets? Need mechanical info bro
Just picked up a brand new 24’ Outback Onyx Edition with the turbo 2.4L. It has all the same tech as the Forester as well as the Jumbotron center display unit, but it’s a MUCH more satisfying driving experience with the turbo four and it’s not as boxy and formulaic. It still looks uniquely like an Outback, until the next generation at least..
Literally the same car I have except for bigger wheels and ventilated seats.
That's a 2025? Looks old school to me. Nah.
This is the ugliest front end design Subaru has ever come up with.. Ugh!
CVT prevent me to buy this car
The cvt on our 16 Legacy has been worry-free for 187k miles.
@@forkthepork It drives like crap and is less capable then the system it replaced.
@@foch3 Idk, man, I like the way mine drives. But there are lots of other options out there. The CVT isn't going anywhere.
@@forkthepork You may not know but that doesn't change anything. Subaru can't even work on them at their own dealerships.
CVT's will not be in any brand that does actual work.
@@foch3 Fair enough. I don't need my Subaru for work. We take it camping in the mountains and get 35 mpg year in and year out, through all manner of snow, gravel, and highway cruising. And I've got a local mechanic who's not scared to work on it.
Still looks old
really this desingn for 2025 it is so funny
$41K for a forester? My 2012 Premium was like $24K. My 2001 Forester was my favorite though aside from the my 2003 Baja.
There's this thing called inflation. The dollar loses value every year since our currency is fiat. 24k in 2012 is a lot different than 24k today. There are still a few new cars you can get today for 24k anyways
It looks like every other SUV now.
Can't beat the comfortable seats!! Functional and very spacious. Great visibility with no blind spots. Looking forward to the Hybrid!!
I loved my 2007 Forester XT the few times the CEL wasn't on
I believe it will sell like hot cakes! Subaru is so much more capable than the other brands ( not putting the other brands down) just saying until you own one you won't understand. Love what Subaru is doing!!
My friends who own Subaru's say this is the ugliest forester ever made I don't deny it's an excellent car but highly doubt it will sell like "hot cakes" ✌️
ugly? I love the low beltline and huge windows!
I wanted a Forester but none were available. The one I was going to try and get sold 1 hour before I got to the dealer who was 1 hour from my home.
You must be joking. This is beautiful
Only thing i like it's the 360 camera❤
I love the simplicity of my forester 2023.. 2025 looks ugly : (
Amen! Glad I bought my 2023 last summer!
My choice between Subaru Forester and Highlander Hybrid 😅
I know is gonna be good but I like more the design of the 2025 Chevy Equinox Active.
sit in both of them and you'll instantly be turned off
just bought a 2024 forester after checking out an escape, equinox and crv
value in the forester (+ the 2.9% APR) was far greater and the american brands felt AWFUL
The gas cap doesn’t lock on the Equinox. They say they have an anti-siphon screen but someone could still vandalize your gas tank. That is a risk you cannot take in a city!! They are only safe maybe in the country. They will go for the farmers large gas tanks if they want to steal gas in the country.
Have they really fixed the head gasket issues in Subaru yet? This is something that keeps me off Subaru.
Actually, nope. This one won't sell at all.
Cos the previous generation is very reliable and lots of people will rather buy old generations with more knobs and all...
And at the same time, we'll wait for the next generation.
This one is a failure.
@JaggedMercenary If the previous generation was very reliable, how will this be any different? It will have the same reliability! The only thing that's changed is the sheet metal, infotainment(which has already been around many years in other subaru's) and interior materials. None of those will diminish reliability.
How is this a failure when there's other cars like the Toyota RAV4 and Honda CR-V?
@@steve8803 I didn't mean that the reliability would be different.
I'm sure that the new Forester has great reliability and performance.
I meant that the people who prefer the 5th generation style (and judging from the comments, there are a lot) will skip the 6th generation, and buy second-hand 5th generation instead.
Maybe even 4th generation, for those who want the turbo.
@@JaggedMercenary Every time a new vehicle is released, you will always see a lot of youtube comments from people who are disappointed. People struggle with change, but they usually warm up to it after a while. People who always buy new vehicles are not all of a sudden going to start buying used. When they are done with their current forester, they will either get a NEW forester or something else entirely different.
If i had $41k and needed a vehicle, subaru wouldn't enter my mind. I'd be looking at a 2-3 year old lexus.
Exactly there are way better options for 40k imo
I like the outback wagons always have
Outback is their best family car. Ascent is a close second due to size.
Nice car but nothing can be compared with cx-50 or cx-5 for me.
I'm not a huge fan of crossovers but I'd take a Mazda crossover over a Subaru any day of the week
Check the quality of the screen and camera. It's just look great, but technology of it is out of 2000's
i feel like my 2019 forester has a lot more character than this
The engine is weak at 180 hp. They should have a better engine at a 41000$ price point. Hoping the hybrid is a more powerful option and is a fix for this.
It should be since I’m sure it’s going to be a Toyota powerplant
should be at least 250 hp
Subaru is the only manufacture that can completely redesign their engine and only make 4 extra horsepower.
Why not hybrid?
Competing with CRV
Man, they determined to keep these cars boring lol
I know right? I know so many friends & family that LOVE Subaru. I tried to like them but the interiors are just too boring & basic to me 😂
What is really boring is waiting for the tow truck when you are stuck in an icy, snow filled parking lot!!
That doesn’t happen when you’ve got X Mode!!
And ugly. lol the only Subaru I like is the wrx and crosstrek
Reliable machine. A Canadian blogger living here in PH chose this car. Why? He live in the South of the Philippines, and roads here are like driving in an open pit mine. You need a reliable 4 wheel drive machine if you want to arrive in one piece to your destination.
@@johnc5915isn’t most of the Philippines like that? I went on a mission with my old church to Cebu City and it was horrific. Trash everywhere, feces and urine covering the alleys and streets, strife everywhere I looked. However, in its defense, India was far worse than the Philippines. But that’s another story.
That’s an ugly vehicle
Great #short!
I love it!!
It's a first Gen so if ppl wanna buy it cool. I'll wait for the following years
Utterly boring to drive. I drove a 2022 model for a year and a half and then sold it. Luckily the one good thing about them is they hold value well.
Just said the magic word manual transmission!!!!!
Oh, it might sell a bit to uneducated, unknowledgeable fashionistas. But, it has long ago lost its traditional base, which did like the idea of rallying, if not actually attending a rally at POR or elsewhere. No more turbo, no more manual tranny and no more performance upgrades available. It's sad to see Subie turn it into a grocery getter.
Let’s get it on
All those options he is talking about are for woman and gay ppl.
But is it better than the 2025 Toyota Rav4?
Until they give it a more powerful engine and improve boot space it's just a polished turd
Keeping my 2018 Forester. Not impressed with this new one.
no it won't. its pathetic, hopefully the hybrid will be better
Looks the same as it has for years now. Less a redesign than a mild refresh.
It’s gonna be freeze like ice cream!…
Still old design Japanese stuck to the past Korea and china doing great 😂
可以下单了吗？
All New = looking like CRV/Explorer.
More like a Chevrolet Equinox
Still got the plastic thermo control valve that fails around 70,000 miles?
They extended the warranty on that part to 15 years or 150k miles. But go ahead and cry more.
@@AntilleanConfederation That would last me about 5 years. 30,000 plus miles per year.
@@FraaaaaankRizzo sucks to suck
that model isnt going to sell shit
8.49% apr on lease...😂 the deal breaker for me... booked honda crv.
The interior is hideous.
No
Toyota + Suzuki
180hp is horrible on a suv
Looks like a dog next to Hyundai-Kia offerings
But, dog is man’s best friend! 😂
I don’t like all Subaru models
Yeah no this won't sell
Lesbians have been known to LOVE the CVT.
why?
Think they prefer jeep wranglers and bmw
41k, nah
It’ll sell well in Vermont, Colorado in Alaska😂. Only because it’s a crossover with a Subaru badge. It’s so ugly😭
lol, 😂😂😂it ugly but it a beast in Midwest snow. That why it sells in those areas
@@faym3187 yeh, that’s why I made the comment lol.
Subaru is so lazy. Wtf is wrong with some of these car companies that rely soley on the name. Lexus has done the same thing
Awful design.
No XT model so it's trash
Smart people won't buy ANYTHING with CVT. Good for snowmobiles, terrible for cars
Subaru CVTs are reliable
The price alone kills it. Subaru gave so little and wants the consumer too much for a refresh. This car is dated compared to the competition. People don't fall for Subarus lazy attempt to call this all new.