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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- AMERICAN TRIATHLETE COLLIN CHARTIER TESTS POSITIVE FOR EPO:
Woke up to the unfortunate news this morning that Collin Chartier, winner of last years PTO US Open and Ironman Mont Tremblant, tested positive for EPO. Here are my thoughts.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a domino effect from this. I think a lot of top tier triathletes are potentially cycling on and off things to get that extra edge. Time will tell.
As someone who competed in cycling at an international level of sport...I can honestly say that I have never had a doubt that these guys are doping. My guess is many of the top guys are, and maybe many more. I believe I actually asked you in a comment some time ago about testing protocols and if triathlon did test at all. It is a shame, but in endurance sports it is what happens. And I don't believe for a moment that Colin won clean. If you are winning clean, why then go on EPO? Great video Ari, and thanks for your thoughts!!!
BINGO! Definitely not a lone wolf and definitely not winning clean.
I think there are reasons for a successful clean athlete to start doping. But I agree with you here that Collin's explanation about starting doping doesn't make sense. If he had been winning clean, I don't think he would have had the sense of despair that he talks about as driving him to do everything possible including crossing the line into EPO. He switches coaches, has incredible success, and then despairs over his results? It doesn't add up. It makes so much more sense to plateau just beneath your goals, feel like a failure, and then turn to EPO/doping to push you to your goals.
There was study, asking triathletes about PED, and like 20% said they use them...
@@tak-el-uc Your theory about athletes plateauing below their goals makes a bunch of sense if you remember his story from the Kona Vlogs last year on Lionel's chanel. Colin was basically pushed out of the ITU by [redacted] because he wasn't A. winning races and B. wasn't as young as the new talent constantly flowing into the sport. Dude said it himself, "I had to start making money in the sport because I had taken out a loan." In his eyes, it was either "Start doping and win some races and continue to be a professional triathlete" or "Get a different job, quit triathlon, and pay back that loan."
@@Zooga_Boy every athlete or profession goes through this process.
Justifying cheating is what losers do.
No one is forcing them to be professional athlete. It’s a privilege, not a right.
Professionals also go through this process. Should you do something unethical to increase company bottom line (hence you get pay raise and promotion)? Or should you be principled and stick to doing what’s right.
Justifying unethical behaviour is what made WallStreet so corrupt.
100% he’s not alone and 100% he’s been using before Nov 2022…
No way. He won the PTO US Open and then decided he needed EPO. Makes sense. "I just won clean. I need to dope to progress now". Logic is there, right?
There was a study i think triathletes in germany race ask incognito about taking PED, and like 20% admitted they use banned substances
@@spruth6410 exactly 😂😂😂
@@AntonKomarov he just isn't going to admit to doping for a $100k prize purse that he has likely spent a decent chunk of
For sure, he came out of nowhere - that is why he admitted it and says November
There I was, sitting on the turbo, wondering why the hell am I doing this and then this video pops up, love the reminder to always check in with your 'why?' and make sure you're in it for the right reasons, thanks Ari for the positive message
Incredible video Ari. One of the only approaches to this that isn’t absolutely bashing him. No point in hating him, doesn’t change the fact. Move on and hopefully he finds peace eventually
for real, I don't see the point of abusing people who come clean with their mistakes, if anything it might encourage others to do so in the future
Good to see some people with this take. He’s paid the price. No needed for the masses to sink the boot in for no reason. Although it is what the masses seem to do best these days.
NO WAY! I saw that PTO Dallas event in person, I live literally a mile away from that event….
Had a few Lionel sanders vids in my TH-cam algorithm and learned about Triathlons. Was a pretty dope event to watch… guess it was even doper than I thought! 😂
The idea that he wasn't doping until the off season when he was at a low point, seems absurd. "I had a breakout season, had the best results of my career, and won one of the very biggest races in the sport. I then got injured right after this career making win, and decided to start doping, and then was immediately caught. Just to be clear, I don't have to give any prize money back because it was after my wins. Everyone clear?"
My coach who also tested me constantly also had no idea.
@@tangarz5357 To be clear, you have to specifically test *for* EPO to detect it. Just because Mikal's athletes are "tested", doesn't mean that their blood is being tested for EPO. They're generally testing for lactate, glucose, other analytes to see how their bodies respond to different levels of exertion. Why would Mikal test his athletes for EPO?
@@tangarz5357 the coach just turned a blind eye
Any coach who see their athlete suddenly do superhuman things knows what’s up
No seasoned athlete would dramatically improve in their training out of thin air. It just doesn’t happen
@@tangarz5357 exactly - the Norwegians are known for testing every shit in every session and we are supposed to believe they did not see these developments which are caused by PEDs?
This gives us a taste how deep this is... The more I think about this the less I want to follow the pro scene anymore 😢
@@annadupont7615 yes but a very simple blood test will show you a red blood cell count.
The wsy the Norwegians have been dominating always made me wonder. Microdosing epo would give huge advantage
Thanks Ari, I am that much more a fan of you now that I have listened to you from a different perspective and from the ❤
Well this just opens up a lot more questions doesn't it?! Hopefully we get some more answers but I very much doubt it!
I almost did not check out your video because I was afraid it would be a bunch of hate. Thanks for being human and objective and kind.
Great video Ari, thanks for this!!!
First hearing of this. It'll be interesting to see if sanders makes a video on this.
The question is whether there was sufficient testing after the PTO races. That's to be expected with prize money like this. You can be sure that doping is used in our sport. This certainly also applies to age groupers; especially when it comes to slots for Kona. Even as an age grouper you should expect doping tests after a race, but I have my doubts that this will happen at all. Stay clean!
This why they should really get tested by WADA
Why aren't podium winners tested after ironman and pto events?
@@שריאללרר I thought they were
If you watch sanders yt series during kona.. he was filmed on there... he was still looking for a bike sponsor if not mistaken... crazy what you'll do to find some success
@@troycollett8540 no one really knows what's going on
And who is tested and when
It's all corrupt
If you ask me most of them dope
Absolutely well said Ari 👌🏻
Thanks for posting this but I do wish we would stop saying that Chartier, or others, are coming clean by not challenging a positive test. Chartier didn't come clean, he is just not trying to dispute a positive test. Coming clean would actually be admitting he doped without turning up a positive test. I don't need to skewer Chartier, he should just go away. But I don't think silence is the answer. That makes it seem like others condone the doping. He's a cheat and should go away. Keep up your hard work Ari.
I love the content man. You have a distinct style
I was on the national team preparing for the Sydney olympics in triathlon back in the 90s when they legalized drafting. Back then people already started using EPO. 2 main reasons I quit from the sport before the Olympics. That was 30yrs ago, imagine the level of doping that goes on now.
I was at Sydney and watched 4 dopers win that 1st Olympic triathlon...and on and on it goes all the way to the queen doper Nicola Spirig...the last great taboo the sport has failed to address.
Why aren't there tests for podium winners after ironman and pto events?
@שריאל לרר these tests are expensive and hard to detect as epo elevates red blood cells count similarly like training at high altitudes
@G Grande so they do an ironman being doped by epo
And an hour after the race there's no trace of the epo??
Hard to believe
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158
Genuine question here, not trolling.
I'm not involved in the triathlon world I'm just someone who enjoys running and watching sports in general.
Without getting yourself into legal trouble, can you please tell me what the taboo is with Sprig?
(Or tell me a good blog/website to read which would explain it please?)
Thx for the video. After following Sanders on TH-cam, and his training partner Collin in 2022 - when he had the huge breakthrough, I was curious why Collin was no longer training with Sanders. Also, I could find nothing on-line in recent weeks about Collin, which I found very odd given his performances in 2022.
Wonder if this is why Lionel not with Eden anymore. Realised the lactate testing wasn't the secret sauce
@@Oldmaite Did you watch Lionel's response? I don't think that's why he left Mikal.
@@Oldmaite Why is it any more likely Iden is involved than Sanders? Because of your preference? Stay to the facts, as of now we only know an American doped. As Sanders said, everyone associated is thrown under the bus. It is not fair, wait for the investigation to conclude.
@@annadupont7615 yes later that day
I like Sanders n inspired me with my own training over the years... with ties to collin n iden hope he is clean... I'd assume so since he always falls short lol.
Honestly kinda refreshing to hear an athlete just admitting they were on gear instead of making shit up. Was probably on other stuff as well, but looks like he flew too close to the sun with the EPO dosages. Although, it's not uncommon for athletes to downplay when they were actually taking it too which is a little annoying, but gotta take what you can get I suppose.
yeah, like i doubt he was only on starting in Nov. 2022 considering that meteoric rise before Dallas. but i think what he says about alienating himself from family and friends to succeed resonates strongly with what Ari had previously when he moved to Tuson to train with Lionel. its what i appreciate most about Ari tbh. he is having FUN in life and being with friends
Nah. He had to admit it but he tried to keep the money lying when he did it. Guy is desperate, he'll be bankrupt.
You can't accidentally ingest EPO so it's hard to deny vs other compounds
Great video Ari. Thanks
EPO is still a huge problem in all endurance sports.
Big problem in the UFC also
Good, balanced perspective. Thanks.
Alarm bells rang for me when Lionel let slip on one video he was saddled with debt. I figured the dude was in a desperate place.
We all know you only do triathlon if you've got rich parents ,🤣
Hey Ari, get the door. The ITA saw your video and would like to chat 😂
I like what you say about being empathetic to a person who is likely in a bad place mentally and emotionally when resorting to PEDs. That said, taking these drugs is clearly extremely selfish and lacking of empathy, and that such a behavior should deserve empathetic response is only half true. You should be strive to be empathetic, yes, but also be cautious. A person resorting to doping and only admitting to it after getting caught should reasonably be considered narcissistic, psychopathic or anti social to some degree and be met with caution as they may very well still try to manipulate the situation and those around them to their own benefit. Doping is not the ultimate crime here, but the betrayal of social trust, and that trust must be tat least temporarily withdrawn by society, just still in an empathetic way.
People use mental health as an excuse for everything these days. There is no excuses he is proper scum
In very few cases is the user narcissistic, and calling it psychopathic shows a complete lack of understanding of the terminology.
Its actually true in psychology point od view, because key attribute of psychopats is Goal Orientation. Triathlete takes epo, bussinesmen cut head of their opponents.
@@chessplayer-ms3pn i think you're twisting my words a bit. I said "should be considered... To some degree" based on my hobby studies of psychopathy and anti social behavior. That's said, I'm not one to diagnose anyone with any certainty of course. I just think people should be cautious towards someone capable of doping, especially if they're truly orchestrating it solo, as the manipulative tendencies and abilities could be high in such a person if they're in fact anti social - easily misleading naive and trusting people regarding the full truth of the situation.
6:21 I don't know if I'd say "there's nothing to worry about now". I'm a little more worried now than before, because doping in triathlon was off my radar until today.
They're doping in the elite field of every pro sport sorry to say.
@@TheTrailRabbit If cash and sponsorships are involved there will be doping.
I am sorry... Sorry i was caught ;-)
The Norwegian Dope Train.
I can’t be the only one who is highly suspicious of the fact that he was being trained by the brother of the Ironman World Champion at the exact moment he started using dope.
If anyone believes his coach did not at least know about the doping they are incredibly naive. Personally, I believe his coach provided or at least heavily guided him in the right direction to aquire/use PED.
The way they talk about how they are on the cutting edge of “science” is very reminiscent of the messaging coming out of TJ Dillashaw and his camp before he got popped
I knew this would pop up, guilty by association. Iden and Blue spends most of their time training at altitude camp. They have no partner or children; for them, triathlon is everything. They are under a much stricter doping regime than Ironman athletes, as they do ITU and the Olympics.
Why do you not suspect Lionel Sanders is doping, as Chartier was training with Lionel?
As a law enforcement officer, you should know better. If they get caught, then ok, they did it. But without evidence, claiming someone that lives a breath triathlon dope is just sad.
@@EspenSkaufel grow up. All of them dope. The testing is just so they can’t do so much that they fall over dead at 38. It’s the same way in baseball mma and football. Don’t be naive.
@@se5080 I understand you are an expert, so arguing is pointless. Everyone is doping! There is some doping sure, but to what extent is it impossible to know. How do they keep all the thousands of people involved silent? Is it a deep sports conspiracy?
Great and informative vid!
What ever happened to the Investigation in Kona a few years ago that was injecting EPO into his athletes. Not more than 1 story online.
Great video!! Yep, couldn't have been easy to fess up; respect for being honest when caught. I hope he gets the mental health support he needs. Such a shame that he went down the rabbit hole. Lots of doping in the AG world; seems anyone can get 'roids for low-T. I wish they would test all podium finishers or WC qualifiers.
I bet doping amongst top age groupers is even more prevalent in triathlon .
Why?
Because triathlon is a rich man sport. Those who can make it probably have a lot disposable income and also have a good job to boot.
They are also narcissistic.
They have means and the competitive drive to cheat at the highest level.
No testing done as well, why wouldn’t you if all those checkboxes are there.
It’s all part of being in the cool kids club.
Look at the Kona scene 😂
Sheesh. I'm starting to wonder about the marathon now too. So many records being broken.
Almost want to follow the guy because of how he owned up to his mistake. Love the no bs
He's still lying about when he started doping.
Well he got caught so he had to say something. And ban reduced by a year for not contesting it. He cheated and robbed his clean competitors their chance of winning. So not someone I'd want to follow..
Dude he got caught taking EPO! There's no way to not own this. It's f'ing EPO
Anyone knows hematokrit levels of norwegiians?
That sucks. I'm sure he didn't win clean. That wouldn't make any sense. Why start doping after winning 2 big races?
"You have to respect" him owning it.
Huh?! He got caught and it's real hard to blame EPO on a tainted burrito.
I hope this doesn't drag Lionel down. Keep it clean, keep it fair, keep it fun!
If I were to guess by looking at him I’d say he’s juiced. But I’ll consider him clean until proven otherwise.
Lionel isn’t juiced, you crazy
Top video and very wise words regarding being emphatic towards him, he's made a bad choice now he's paying the price..
Folks who dope can train harder & recover faster (the Armstrong method) and they get the podiums, thus making it even more difficult for clean athletes. It’s a vicious cycle.
Kinda like holding a weapon on someone and trying to get them to drop theirs. Who’s gonna go first? How do you convince them that really, I’ll stop too - you just go first 😂
Bro he’s not the only one there’s gotta be much more the splits these guys are putting up are Uber fast! And not much of them are adding up it’s gotten faster and faster only time will tell .
If you look at the times and performances in Running, Cycling, Triathlon, Cross Fit …it’s extremely probable the top 10 in each of those sports are taking something in regards to PED’s. It’s just a reality with all the pressure and money involved.
Nice vid Ari
Doping among age groupers is a thing too (Kevin Moats-Mark Allen did a bit on him). Between testosterone replacement and use of IV fluid pre race- I know it’s a thing. Nervous for who else was involved in this one. Bums me out- I loved Colin’s Story. Be interesting how the dominoes fall on this one
I bet doping amongst top age groupers is even more prevalent in triathlon .
Why?
Because triathlon is a rich man sport. Those who can make it probably have a lot disposable income and also have a good job to boot.
They are also narcissistic.
They have means and the competitive drive to chest at tue highest level.
No testing done as well, why wouldn’t you if all those checkboxes are there.
It’s all part of being in the cool kids club.
Look at the Kona scene 😂
Good take Ari
“All these mfers are on steroids” 😂
Calm down Nate.
This is not the first case of EPO in triathlon. There were more cases in history. Surprisingly, I do not hear about these cases during Colin Charier's case. See this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kraft, for example. ... And Ari, this is probably the closest opinion to mine on this case I've heard this week from all pros.
Sorry but you don't get kudos for apologizing after you get caught. He wouldn't of apologized or possibly quit doping if he hadn't been caught. You can't have it both ways.
Well said
How often do the top 10 in each race get tested?
never.... WANDA own triathlon and they also own all of the medical companies.... go figure
This is a shame, but totally expected Triathlon won't be a bastion of pure sport , yes there will be people at the top who are totally clean but others who are full of juice , especially those that train on something and then come of 3 weeks before an event so u still get some benefit above their natural ability but test clean ( out of competition test are always stressful for athletes who are on something)
Good video, but very disappointed to hear this news. It feels like stealing… both financially and opportunities from those who are truly deserving.
Those two guys are doping; they know how test clean
Maybe I'm just a naïve fool who wants to keep on believing in my heroes past the point of logic, and I'm *sure* I have a very different perspective on the issue since I'm just an age-grouper, but even if we have confirmation of one person doping in triathlon, I'm not ready to start jumping to conclusions about other athletes doing the same, no matter how much success they may have had recently. That's a lot of weight and disdain to put on someone for something they may not have done, and I feel like it gives too much of an "out" to discount someone's legitimate accomplishments by saying "Oh, they must've been doping." Innocent until proven guilty, as far as I'm concerned. I just hope I don't end up eating my words on this one.
Well said, exactly how I feel too 🤞
That's just very sad. Now from whom did he get it?
His coach for sure
@@LR6092 then why did Lionel get worse with the same coach?
@@BillBrinkop I think it takes a bit of willingness from the athlete, a certain relationship. I don't see lionel going in search of those things
@@LR6092 Lionel is a recovered drug addict he may have refused it...
@@LR6092totally agree with you
He was at the first Collins Cup as a sub...so not like he's exactly a nobody. He replaced Rudy. He passed doping control at Dallas so...dunno.
Everyone is on something. He wasn't doing anything different to the rest
Honestly, at this point of athletics and the amount of doping and the issues in accurate testing, they just need to make doping legal. It’s getting ridiculous. All the people that aren’t doping are being railroaded. The dopers are remembered for losing the win, but no one remembers the people who ACTUALLY win.
He should be ashamed. Doubt he is telling full story. Glad he is moving on and hope he finds his bearings.
3 years? That’s it?
So sad
Of course he says he was clean for the PTO race, imagine he has to pay back the 100k i guess that would mean declaring bankruptcy, i don’t see any reason why i would believe that he actually was clean.
You couldn’t wait to make this video
Doesn’t matter the sport and for that matter the level of competition, PED’s will be a part of the equation. I’m not trying to be negative, just saying at some point humans lose their way
Time to name names.
I thought they tested him after Dallas due to his victory and time in the heat. Not 100%
If big money ever came into triathlon expect a much more sophisticated doping program to emerge. Long course Triathlon is horrific on the body, hard not to use some pharmaceutical enhancements.
Follow the money
Well, he said he didn't dope before November, so it must be true. Ari can guarantee us that this wasn't an isolated incident, so he must have seen doping firsthand before. How else could you guarantee that others are doping?
Ultimately, does it matter? Even if everyone dope, does that mean you would dope?
If your moral compass is if everyone does EPO, so will I, you’re really not much better than those people.
The only reason not taking it is because you don’t want to get caught. Not because you think it’s wrong or bad for your health.
To me, it’s kinda irrelevant.
If you have no morals to begin with, it doesn’t matter, you’re gonna eventually dope because it’s a means to an end. You just want to win because it’s all you care about.
People are beyond naive if they don't think at least half the sport is on something that gives you a 10% boost and is almost impossible to test positive for. Get on the program or get a real job.
As some may have already said for him to really be genuine about his apology he needs to come really clean ie who supplied him what where and when. People missed out on their ‘why’ because this dude doped 💉his apology is weak and still self centred, doing something wrong then apologising doesn’t make any of it right
we don't have to respect shi....Guy would still be eating the lunch of clean athletes had he not been caught. End of the day this is a character issue, not an athleticism issue.
How do you not think doping is in triathlon? You and all the other pros kill me with this naivety about this. Us normal folks are not surprised at all.
Shenanigans to ‘only from November’ explanations. That has as much credibility as ‘tainted burritos’ type excuses. EPO is not a drug you just start taking at the beginning of the off season, just because you are injured and tired. Even if Colin wanted to end the season by ‘one last race’ in Indian Wells or Daytona. Blah Blah. EPO is a drug you take when you are ramping up the intensity or actually in a racing phase.
Great Riddance to this Cheater, now the door is open to Dr. Sensation Matthew Marquart (recently 3rd at Woodlands 140.6), to make Team USA for PTO Samorin (?). Finally a solid all around dude. Great swimmer, and cyclist and runner, finally Team USA great hope to make Norway Team Train Express sweat a tad. GG!
Obviously someone who cheats should be stripped all their wins.
What a bloody shame :/
ALGOOO
It's not fuc....ing "not important" if we're not on podiums or competitive, it is ABSOLUTELY WRONG, why you're saying things like this, it is outrageous, doping should never be an alternative being an age group, a pro or just an enthusiastic, NEVER. You should be careful and respectful to what you say online, there's young people and others listening to you. Complete WRONG MESSAGE.
Everyone else is doing it
That's insane, those people are pros, literally have their whole day train and get better, they have sponsors etc... So stupid.
Lol - if you think he won those races clean.
Everyone on PEDs. Just random testing them who got podium
They're all on the gas
All sports have doping at the elite level. If they didn't, you may as well watch me run 4min kms and bike 230w lol.
Exactly. All athletes should be allowed to use whatever they want to, all athletes would jump on the opportunity to push themselves to the limit safely(monitored of course) hell, I'd like to take epo and I just run and bike for myself.
At the very least makes a clean and an enhanced league.
No one has pointed out that Collin was at training camp with Lionel and Rudy in November of last year...
Yeah… and they all sucked in 2022… come on …
@Julian Morales Collin won PTO Dallas and Rudy just won IM Texas. Probably unrelated I guess.
@@TheTrailRabbit Collin, no doubt … but you just can’t point to Lionel or Rudy without any evidence. Both Lionel and Rudy had a terrible back half of 2022… which is supposedly where you’re implying de were doping… Rudy’s performance in IM TX is where his level should be based on all his racing data and performances in the 70.3s.
@@julimov24 lol ok
Man is not even top guy and he is juiced up all the guys are taking something
Why is it wrong to be a super athlete and dope? The list of what is legal and illegal seems arbitrary
Big performance jumps... Sam Laidlow *cough cough*
And Mikal Iden says how data driven he is and tracks everything... And he does not see different numbers when EPO kicked in? What a joke... Norwegians are looking quite super human too... Just saying. Remembers me of Armstrong - sure, one guy just so much better than the rest 🤣
Ps: i love this sport, being outside and the training is good for me. I will love it forever and dont give a s*** about cheaters - they won't destroy my sport! But if this continues i will stop following the pro scene...
Dude definitely doped for years. So he admits to doping but claims he accomplished everything before the doping? YEAHHHHH right! Then why dope if you are already winning.
they all dope. cheat cheat never beat. DOPERSSUCK!
Are ANY top level athletes clean? I guarantee not...they have either paid for test results to the contrary or outright bribed top officials. There is no way to be at that level and not be doping.
La verdad sin doping no eres competitivo tanto en profesional como en grupos de edad.
Blu, Jan, Gustav all dope. Unfortunately.
Fcks it for the clean athletes.
Well of course there is. There is doping in every sport.
We are human beings. We make mistakes. - However: A doped athlete is not a true athlete for me. I loose all respect. - It gives me stomach pains and makes me really sad... -
It's good to have sympathy, but this guy had no sympathy when he won those big prizes and undirectly stole money from the clean athletes.
There are NO SUPER HUMAN guys ;) All the records are being broke, and you think it's because they just train harder ?? LoL Come on ... EPO microdoses is here to stay.