I’ve been involved in triathlon for many years. I’m confident all the top guys are dirty. Look at their training volume. Look at the bike power. I don’t believe that’s possible clean.
People dope to win local races in small communities just for the sake of being competitive. What do you think People will do when there’s money on the line? People need to wake up
I have been an amateur triathlete for over 10 years. Just the sheer amount of supplements we have been given at race events, the increasing price tags of (often underserved) sport equipment and events, have led me to believe it is a market driven sport, where performance and equipment flex are valued more than health, sportsmanship... doping is definitely a big part of it. It serves the interests of the triathlon industry. Sean from Naples, Italy
He ain't lots of triathletes have tested positive and been suspended in the past. They need to do their research. Since 2011 over 28 ironman athletes have tested positive and been banned. And also lots in the Olympic distance have also tested positive.
Ironman in general is a money grab. Look at how much its costs to just enter and how many entries they get. There is a big problem in cycling but you know what age group is the worst with it? Masters, the guys that are 35+. It comes down to an ego thing for them and its really easy to dope now with all this T replacement stuff.
@@alwaystmoza Yes, this video is clickbait. Lots of athelete have tested positive even before 2011. I did a lot of triathlons in 2003-2010 and remember suspensions from those years. Nina Kraft was 2nd in Kona in 2004 and then tested positive for EPO, for example. And the number of top amateur (and pro) triathletes and road runners who retire from the sport and then move on to trail running (which has almost no testing) is.....interesting :-)
It's always been about the equipment and the athletes flexing about how much money they have and how much they spend. It's one reason I (mostly) quit the sport. It gets tiring hanging out with rich people constantly bragging about high priced bikes and vacations.
I have a difficult time believing he is the only one. I don't think its a coincidence we are seeing records not just being broken but absolutely destroyed in the last year or so. I hate to say it, but I think we are going to see some really big names drop dirty.
Totally agree. There's just a lot more attention on this sport which means bigger prizes and sponsors for winners. Those that use science will do what they can to get around the rules to win. Or get caught.
@@jeremygroen5625 the norwegians are also in the olympic testing pool which is a different story. they are tested since roughly 10 years. most likely they are or their lab is the worlds leading lab.
I follow professional cycling closely. When I read about some of the watts produced in tri and try to compare it to cycling’s best current riders, many questions come up.
What are you referring to? I see numbers in the high 200’s for a four hour bike leg. While world tour pros are regularly doing over 300 in one day six hour races.
I've been thinking the same thing. The 2022 Tour was apparently the fastest in history, including the EPO years. It fell off for a while after Lace, and everyone looked out of breath, but now they're as fast as ever. It may have something to do with having so many teams on the front all the time, but I just can't believe the speeds.
Exactly! Acting like this positive test is bigger than when Nina Kraft got busted is ridiculous! No one remembers Kraft from 20 years ago…therefore, Chartier is the biggest ever? Please!
There’s a 0% chance Collin Chartier wasn’t doping at Ironman Mont Tremblant 2022 & Ironman should 100% award Josh Amberger as the winner 🏆 Collin should give back the winning trophy & prize money. I don’t believe him for a second.
Brigitte McMahon won Olympic gold in 2000 and tested positive for EPO in 2005 again saying that she started after winning in Sydney……surely the biggest drug scandal in Triathlon. TRT /HRT use is not uncommon in age group racing and there is little chance of being caught or challenged,
Triathlon isn't cleaner. It's just almost entirely controlled by a privately owned, profit-driven corporation that's not interested in spending much money on testing. This allows the athletes to pursue a career relatively unmonitored and untested in a way that Track & Field athletes or pro cyclists just aren't. There's a ton of carrot and not much stick in professional triathlon when it comes to PED use.
Its for clicks mate. Obviously he isnt educated about past triathletes that got busted. These people act naive or innocent that theres no doping in this sport. Give me a break 😂 if it happens in other sports, then it happens in this sport. Even age grouper dope just to win a grand 🤷♂️🔫
Brigitte McMahon, the 2000 Olympic champion in Women's Triathlon, tested positive for EPO in 2005. An Olympic champion in triathlon ended her career in disgrace because of doping. Similar to Collin, she said that she was in a dark place, going through a divorce, having nagging injuries and not performing as she wanted. She insisted that she did not dope during the Sydney or Athens Games, and that she won the gold medal fairly. She also said the EPO was for therapeutic reasons only. After the positive test she was immediately removed from the Swiss national team and was facing a two-year ban from triathlon. As a consequence, she retired from the sport. That is by far the biggest doping scandal in Triathlon history.
It didn’t actually get that much attention back then though. The sport was too small and social media didn’t allow for it. So it’s a crazier story, she had achieved arguably more - but I believe Collin’s case was bigger.
@@thetriathlonhour Kobe Bryant won 5 NBA championships, was on 18 all-star teams, was the 2005 NBA most valuable player and a two-time NBA championship finals most valuable player, yet he said his two Olympic gold medals were his greatest accomplishments. Ask Jan Frodeno, Alister Brownlee, Kristian Blummenfelt and Nicola Spirig what was their most valued accomplishment and I'd bet each of them would say the Olympic gold medal, just like Kobe. Also, the corporation that owns the Ironman event sued the ITU in the 1990s attempting to force the Ironman World Championships to be QUALIFYING event for the Olympics. That tells you how important the Olympics were to them. Everyone knows an Olympic gold medal is far greater an accomplishment than a PTO US open win, with no disrespect to that event. Thus, there is no argument, Bridgitte was more accomplished than Collin.
@@thetriathlonhour getting more publicity doesn't make it a bigger scandal rofl. It's the scandal itself and the prestige of the athlete that makes the scandal itself a big deal
@@socrates5135 that happened 18 years ago, not at the forefront of peoples memories. The top trathlon atheletes today were still only children when this happened. yes she was way more accomplished than Collin but that was also a time where doping was rather rampant in all sports. I am not saying it isnt now but the testing is a lot more thorough 18 years later.
@Brurgh The title is “The Biggest DOPING Scandal in Triathlon History JUST Happened.” In all fairness, the title is a hyperbolic exaggeration if you don’t consider the complete history of the sport, which is not long since the sport was only relatively recently invented in 1974 in San Diego CA. Had he said “a big doping scandal just happened”, fine, but that’s not what he said. And, yes, Brigitte was way more accomplished than Collin. This scandal has gotten more attention because the sport is more prominent now and social media was almost nonexistent back then.
When i was road racing in the 2010s in Texas, there was a cycling forum. One time, one of the elites guys posted " be careful guys, USAC" is walking around the finish line at ....", I forgot the road race at the time. Then during those years. This doctor, that transitioned from triathlon to road racing, was destroying the whole peloton at the C2/C3 category. He was 53 at the time, and will break away solo to never been seen at almost all the races. It was comical, but the officials were buddy buddy with these frauds, so nothing to see here.
Jack, you are a very good interviewer, however, when you heard him contradict him self regarding "people at the top doping", why didn't you ask him specifically who he was referring too. With the IRONMAN CEO interview you really kept on him and asked direct questions over and over, with this interview i thought there were questions you could have kept asked him, but you didn't. Was there any reason why? These questions were much more important than the IRONMAN CEO interview. Thanks for letting me ask and thank you for the good podcast!
In 2004, Nina Kraft of Germany won Kona then tested positive. She was much bigger of a name than Colin, but it seems like the sands of time have gotten than story.
I hate drug cheats. Three years ban is pitiful. There should be mandatory life bans for this kind of thing and although Chartier says he is not coming back after this period he shouldn't be given the option.
I agree. Anyone tests positive it should be a life ban for any sport. But Pro sport is filthy business, too many sin and do works of the flesh. The real athletes will only be known from heaven. This empire could easily clean up sports but it has money and special interests to maintain, which requires to keep pedalling the deception.
Collin Chartier is the biggest name caught using PED in triathlon?! Come on, thatˋs ridiculous. Nina Kraft had 3 Kona podiums and lost her victory 2004 because she took EPO. Brigitte MacMahon was olympic champion.
Wake up guys! Endurance sport is no better since Lance, 64 Kenyans tested positive this year alone. If you’re not in dope, you’re not even trying. There are clean athletes. This is not the biggest doping in triathlon history.
Jimmy Riccitello was using PED's in the 1980's and he has admitted publicly in an argument with Paul Thomas about his experience with PED's so it's not like it's a new thing in tri-sports. I wouldn't be surprised to find out others having been involved in similar situations to enhance their performance.
Wasn’t Nina Kraft (2004) a big name? And L-Carnitine is definitely NOT out of the norm for athlete usage from body builders to endurance athletes; I’d venture to say it’s more of a staple in elite circles.
There’s a whiff of witch-hunting in this mess. The line between what constitutes “natural” training & “doping” is weird, blurry & sometimes doesn’t make much sense. Also, what about the technology that goes into the super-bikes & running shoes the athletes wear, technology which, frankly, most amateurs can’t afford. Is that cheating?
@grahamstrouse1165 really? There's a rulebook, it tells you what isn't allowed. The grey area is pretty small - mainly around TUEs and methodology. There is an easy and obvious way to not break the rules... (unless you believe Contador's "dodgy steak" excuse, which few do...)
@@grahamstrouse1165 No, the powers that be only consider any type of motorized assistance or certain substances as performance enhancing. Many amateurs are able to afford more than what most pros can.😉. Only a few pros get big ticket items for free. It isn’t difficult to get your pro card. It IS difficult to be at the top of the pro fields. PS. In swimming ‘they’ deemed certain suits to be too much of an advantage; they were allowed one year and disallowed the next. I believe there may be an * next to any record that was set wearing the now banned suits.🤷♀️. I remember when caffeine (certain amounts) was banned.
To all those in the comments so insistent that triathlon and sport in general is so fucked and can't understand how anyone can run faster that a 20 minute 5k without doping. Maybe you are right, but I'm going to set out a few arguments as to why people are getting faster without the use of drugs. Firstly technology is always improving - the weight and aero savings seen on bikes is going to knock minutes of compared with 20 years ago. Similarly with wetsuits and shoes although not quite as big a benefit. Nutrition science has come on leaps and bounds and fuelling really is large part of particularly long course triathlon, similarly training techniques are always evolving and getting better. Secondly more people are competing than ever before, triathlon is a young sport that's experienced massive growth. More competition improves performance in general as well as it being more likely that some freak of nature is going to take up the sport and demolish everyone (admittedly this argument can be used for increased doping as well) . Also I think most people don't realise how how invasive and thorough anti-doping testing is by the likes of wada - its arguably harder to stay clean than it is to fail a doping test (meaning given how we don't see constant doping test failures the athletes are more likely to be clean). With the exception of state sponsored doping that's got hundreds of millions of dollars behind it (i.e. Russia) its very hard to cheat and triathletes don't have that kind of wealth. And at the end of the day - why do you follow triathlon, watch and comment on videos about triathlon (or any other sport) if you are so eager to point out its all a lie, try to destroy the reputation the sport and the enjoyment of those that love it. Are you just here to irritate people like me because you can always fall back on the argument, "oh we just don't have the technology to detect certain substances" and there's no answer for that. Are you salty that you tried to make it but didn't have the graft and discipline to succeed so need to tear down those who do? Put yourself in the athletes shoes for a minute. You've given up 10+ years of your life working hard training 5-6 hours a day, barely socialising outside your sport, not "going out and having fun", following a strict regimented lifestyle, being constantly tired, thoroughly checking what goes in and out of your body, having to wait 3+ hours after an event in a tent with just doping controllers and other athletes to produce enough urine to be tested when you should be out celebrating. All so you can say you are the best in the world at something but someone says "pff, no biggie I could be the best if I cheated". I mean most have learnt to ignore it but still it's got to hurt a little bit. Any of you ever heard of the phrase "innocent until proven guilty". It's the basis of judicial systems around the world and quite an important concept to understand if you want true justice in the world. Either provide some actual evidence that there is widespread cheating (beyond just "they're too fast") or keep quiet until you do and let those of us that enjoy the sport have our happiness.
Some good points, but so emotional! Not gonna comment on everything, but you say 5-6 hours of training a day - that's a little bit too much (I'd say 4-5 on average, with some exceptions). "Having to wait 3+ hours after an event in a tent (..) when you should be out celebrating" - it's normal for THEM, it's a pro athlete life. And not really celebrating, but more like resting probably.
This person self identify himself as “im a fooking triathlete” whenever he swim bike and run training thinking they are hot shit. But as soon as things go real these facker will be calling cops yelling assault. Mate, nobody gives a fook how much or many you can train if you think you are better than anyone. Thats why you and others needs some humble pie from bjj and mma people 😂 you guys aint all that. Its a hobby after all. If u know u know.
How do they do it? Mitochondria can be genetically altered to have them feed off fat-based ketones, leading to much smaller, ketone-based rations capable of maintaining an athlete's peak performance for days at a time. Altered Mitochondria can better utilise ketones in order to rapidly restore ATP when cells deplete to ADP and AMP states during sustained intense exercise. Not a climber or a sprinter? No worries! It's possible to trigger changes to core cellular structures (aka "legal gene doping") by modifying fast/slow twitch fibre ratios. It's even possible to increase natural EPO production. Read Iñigo San Millán's literature, it explains it all in theory. Extras: Stem cell therapy. Muscle relaxants. Massage. Ice baths. IV nutrient/hydration drips. Cutting edge supplements. All of the aforementioned is "legal" and produces performances in excess of the Lance effect. Science has progressed significantly since the EPO days. P.S. People don't want to believe that their champions are doping and sport IS too big to fail. P.P.S. Scientists are also hunting genetic freaks so that they already start with a performance monster. Then it's a case of getting their numbers up as high as possible naturally and then using new scientific techniques to further improve and then maintain those numbers. The "10,000 hour athlete" model is out the window. It's quite reminiscent of horse and greyhound racing only the animals happen to be cyclists.
Fans believed that the sport was clean?? Were they blind?? Do you think it's possible to do what the guys that win do, being clean?? Eating broccolis with rice and water? 🤡🤡🤡
He’s definitely not the only one! It’s rife at the top of the age group racing as well. Pisses me right off! Still, at least I’m less likely to have health issues later in life
in most videos from other pro atheletes talking about this they all say "I know this is NOT an isolated incident" then go on to say they don't have evidence, but strongly emphasize they know of others. pretty interesting stuff coming to light finally
The doping case of Collin Chartier is a really big scandal but also a strong sign of the effectiveness and importance of out of competition testing (OOC) in professional triathlon sport. In the past there were often issues of problems with financing these test on a regular basis, so as a result there were often to few testing outside of the big races. With the actual significant growing of professional triathlon supported by the efforts and financial ressources of the PTO there is a good chance that the financial basis of the anti-doping-fight is far better so we are going to see more testing in training. The actual doping scandal may be kind of a wake up call that professional triathlon do everything possible to stays as clean as possible.
Hmmmm, how fortunate that he didn't start doping until AFTER he won all that money, otherwise he'd probably get sued and have to pay it all back. (insert amazingly huge eyeroll here)
yep....there is an interesting video made by TJ tolakson in which he says that he had a pro triathlete buddy who got tested 20 times, when himself almost never...why...? because the buddy was living close to the offices of the anti doping agency, as him was living in some america remote place....hilarious....
Although he was officially cleared, due to testing methodology, you won't find many people who believe he was actually clean. But maybe that's more down to the cynicism of other?
Sorry stopped competing at club level ages ago 'cos people were even cheating there. Now I can't even watch sport any more. Now only ride for myself, for the fun.....
After 50 yrs of managing people in the Military and industry in large scale mfg environments with 100"s of employees working self directed, my experience helped me develop this rule, regarding human behavior and actions: If I you see it happen once, its probably not the first or only time its happened; If you see it happen (witness it) twice, its happening all the time, its just something you have not been aware of, or conscious of. So one positive doping test while sad, does not automatically mean the sport is tainted. If another athlete pops, then rest assured, its a problem in the sport. Regarding Collin, for sure he did not start doping AFTER his best performances, that's just beyond credibility.
I think the bit about L-CaRNITINE (not L-cartinine like you somehow pronounced it) is a bit ignorant addition. Its an amino acid, and a benign one at that as far as usage by athletes goes. to say its outside of the norm for performance is just weird. carnitine is no more serious than taking a good multivitamin and electrolytes to supplement training..
If any sport where people can compete at an elite level and win million dollar prizes alongside 6 figure sponsorships actually believes it’s clean then it’s being delusional. This is elite sport with huge rewards for being the best. People will cheat.
Huge prize? These guys are in the wrong sports for a pro. Anyone would be happy being bench players earning millions for years in the nba that these guys will never achieve in their pro career 😂
The disparity gap between pro sports and “ normal” society is quite impressive. This Double Standard is quite real. This guy got popped for taking a drug to help him do his job in the most successful way he could…. That’s pretty much how Hollywood, US ball sports, and probably every single Fortune 500 CEO rolls. Once people can get over what it is that they are watching, this conversation will cease to exist. That being said…. USADA…everyone is waiting for you to spill the frijoles on NFL,MLB, NHL, NBA ( oh wait I already mentioned American football), and pretty much all Big Ten colleges. Just sayin….
The book, 'Seven Deadly Sins : My Pursuit of Lance Armstrong', by David Walsh, includes an insight into the use of performance enhancing drugs by all elite level athletes, prevalent accross all sports, soccer, tennis, athletics, etc., etc. In fact, it lists numerous famous former elite level participants who have failed drugs testing. It's simply about being clever enough not to be caught taking performance enhancing drugs as a 'professional' sportsman/woman.
Nothing clever about not being caught, because when all is said and done both the empire they train under probably knows and has tech to know who cheats. But the kingdom above that in heaven knows all, and there is no escaping that. You can't hide your sin from God. You can't escape the truth of what you do in this life. Contrary to what people generally believe in professional sport. Works of the flesh is sin.
I personally don't get it. Unless it's for monetary gain, these victories are just so hollow. I would never get any satisfaction knowing that I'm cheating to win. Unless it is a case of "Others are doing it, so I do it to keep up" bs...
The modern doping regimes are miles ahead of the testing methods. Athletes only get caught when being extremely careless, using old programs with older gen drugs (like Collin was), or both. I imagine there's some substances in use that aren't even tested for yet.
Sanders is NOT as hydrated as he could be. Look how DRY Sanders looks. When Sanders stops caring how he looks in the mirror he will start performing his best.
Anyone who doesn't believe doping is widely present at the elite levels of all sport is simply naïve or uninformed. Your feigned shock at him admitting to taking something as benign as l-carnitine loses any respect or objectivity as a member of the sport world.
Yeah I mean L-Carnitine is literally just an amino acid. They sell the shit in walmart. And if one feels like downing enough, one can get the same effect from just drinking the powder.
Coming from the dirtiest sport in the world other than bodybuilding and powerlifting, it blows my mind that people are willfully ignorant about these things. Of course the high levels pro athletes in triathlon are doping, they are high levels pro athletes.
I’m sure the coach with the most advanced data monitoring system in the sport didn’t know he was doping! And I’m sure the guy he was living with at the time with the same coach also didn’t know 🙄🙄🤡
Not really. Mikal is a private coach with limited resources. Olav Alexander is the Norwegian Federation coach with considerably more resources that are not available to Mikal’s athletes. He can’t tell much from a .7ml lactate sample no matter how many he takes.
@@dbk81 only Lionel knows for sure, but his stated reason is that he has his worst year as a professional. Too much volume, tempo and aerobic threshold work and not enough high end or recovery for him
I don’t think anyone forgets it, but it’s been a long time between drinks. This one has a high profile because we live in a day and age where information moves so quickly.
@@cphilipbrown I just find the title a bit over the top... At best the biggest Doping Scandal of 2022. Unless this story ultimately connects bigger names to him (Chartier), I'll hardly find this story to be triathlon's biggest doping scandal. I unfortunately lump the Chartier saga into a small chapter of the doping history of the sport.
Sadly, the endurance racing industry is now just as dirty as pro bodybuilding and track and field. EXTREMELY hard, low-skill sports that require maximum efforts are where drugs provide the most advantages. It was inevitable.
0:30 triathlon fans have always believed that triathlon is clean.. NOPE. a lot of dirty business goes on there especially if you realise that PTO, Clash, IronMan and other brands are a whole business ecosystem that makes money. They'd simply protect any athlete who gets spotted, call it "DNS", and move on. Plus it's much less regulated compared to other sports. Not talking about olympic and ITU, but everything else can go under radars pretty easily. Case with Collin is that was he small enough to make him a scapegoat, and used as a way to shake/cleanup the Tri community. Maybe it's part of brands competition - it really puts on spot the race orgs and brand who passed him. Or - he was simply snitched by other "goats" who didn't want to share their part of the business with new fish. I also personally heard of quite common technical doping(electric motor) from one PRO athlete I know, on top level races not so long ago.
Can't believe these guys are foolish enough to think they can manage thier own doping with no experience. Gotta have experienced guidance to avoid detection.
😂now when they get caught they try to fast track to the redemption faze by admitting their guilt and going for sympathy, blaming psychological reasons.
how did this surprise anyone? i am doped as a non-pro with nothing to win or lose. Let alone somebody who has a lot of money and sponsorships to lose. I am still surprised Bolt never got popped for epo and trt
Given the sensitivity of modern tests, I'm pretty sure everything you could buy on the internet will pop... I'm certain that are some space-age/experimental products that are undetectable... but those things aren't cheap!! and let's be honest, there is not enough money in triathlon for athletes to be able to afford any of it. It takes a state sponsor program to make that work... Since the guy that was taking EPO got cut... i believe that the front of the pack (tested pro) is pretty clean.... ( fair to say that the system works) But, most of the age groupers are NOT tested, so I will not be surprised among the faster ones, some percentage were on TRT and a similar proportion of the slower ones are taking unhealthy amounts of painkillers.
Yes doping is very big in triathlon! It's everywhere. I raced for many years when triathlon started in the late 80's when it was truly a honest sport. This is no longer true. It's so bad that many age groupers (you know the guys that do receive any prize money) use drugs. Terrible that this sport has come to this but it happens in other sports too. Now I just train and do small local races for fun!
The biggest doping scandal so far... Oh, and yeah, we never believed our sport was cleaner. We just accepted that triathlon and testing was inadequate.
When I raced at Roth in 2014 I was fully using PEDs. They were Erdinger beer, pretzels, Haribo gummies. The proof in the pudding was me hooking up with a German chick that night and my performance going to another level, just like Collin's.
Are you sh-tting me?? Large sums of money was up for grabs and somebody had the audacity to gain an unfair advantage?? What’s the professional world of sports coming to???
surely the biggest DOPING Scandal in Triathlon History was when the recently crowned IM Kona winner tested positive ... Nina was a world class athlete and had been a Kona contender for a number of years whereas this chap is a mid-tier pro that really only has profile due to social media ...
The one guarantee in all top level sports is that no matter how strict the testing, no matter how much time and money is spent developing tests and testing procedures, more time and money will be spent figuring out how to beat them. As far as I'm concerned the only way to stop this is to make drug bans very simple. If you're caught cheating, you get banned for life from every sport. Anybody who is found to have had any part in your cheating, or any knowledge of your cheating, gets the same treatment. You're a coach who knows that one of your athletes is cheating and you don't report them, your career is over. If you're an athlete who knows of a competitor cheating, turn them in or your career is over. No second chances, no 1 or 2 year bans, no redemption. You get caught cheating, helping somebody else cheat, or failing to report somebody who you know to be cheating, and your career is over. I also think that hand in hand with that should be a doped category. If you want to compete clean then you can do so, knowing full well that if you cheat then you are never coming back, but if you want to dope yourself up and see how far a human body can be pushed then you're free to do so but only against other people who want to do the same.
Anyone who doesnt assume rampant drug use in this sport is a fool.
Amen
Every sport on the top level has a doping problem.
I’ve been involved in triathlon for many years.
I’m confident all the top guys are dirty. Look at their training volume. Look at the bike power. I don’t believe that’s possible clean.
I was going to say the same thing 🤣 . People Believe the Earth is flat. Lmfaooo00 sooooo yeah
Same with any endurance sport really
Wait people thought a professional sport where large amounts of money can be earned was clean?
Well it only recently has been something that earns any money.
People dope to win local races in small communities just for the sake of being competitive. What do you think People will do when there’s money on the line? People need to wake up
@@GNP999 exactly this
Every major amateur or professional sporting competition is fueled by PED. Every single one.
@@GNP999 lol exactly. People dope doing Cat 3 race in the US where first place get a t-shirt..like seriously
I have been an amateur triathlete for over 10 years. Just the sheer amount of supplements we have been given at race events, the increasing price tags of (often underserved) sport equipment and events, have led me to believe it is a market driven sport, where performance and equipment flex are valued more than health, sportsmanship... doping is definitely a big part of it. It serves the interests of the triathlon industry. Sean from Naples, Italy
He ain't lots of triathletes have tested positive and been suspended in the past. They need to do their research. Since 2011 over 28 ironman athletes have tested positive and been banned. And also lots in the Olympic distance have also tested positive.
Ironman in general is a money grab. Look at how much its costs to just enter and how many entries they get. There is a big problem in cycling but you know what age group is the worst with it? Masters, the guys that are 35+. It comes down to an ego thing for them and its really easy to dope now with all this T replacement stuff.
All professional sport is marketing.
@@alwaystmoza Yes, this video is clickbait. Lots of athelete have tested positive even before 2011. I did a lot of triathlons in 2003-2010 and remember suspensions from those years. Nina Kraft was 2nd in Kona in 2004 and then tested positive for EPO, for example. And the number of top amateur (and pro) triathletes and road runners who retire from the sport and then move on to trail running (which has almost no testing) is.....interesting :-)
It's always been about the equipment and the athletes flexing about how much money they have and how much they spend. It's one reason I (mostly) quit the sport. It gets tiring hanging out with rich people constantly bragging about high priced bikes and vacations.
I have a difficult time believing he is the only one. I don't think its a coincidence we are seeing records not just being broken but absolutely destroyed in the last year or so. I hate to say it, but I think we are going to see some really big names drop dirty.
Of course he’s not.
i am certain the norwegians in particular are clean
Totally agree. There's just a lot more attention on this sport which means bigger prizes and sponsors for winners. Those that use science will do what they can to get around the rules to win. Or get caught.
@@ceschenrik I hope so, but I wouldn't be shocked to find out they are not.
@@jeremygroen5625 the norwegians are also in the olympic testing pool which is a different story. they are tested since roughly 10 years. most likely they are or their lab is the worlds leading lab.
I follow professional cycling closely. When I read about some of the watts produced in tri and try to compare it to cycling’s best current riders, many questions come up.
Comparing apples and pears has never worked, dude! Cyclists don‘t tend to go all out for 4h.
What are you referring to? I see numbers in the high 200’s for a four hour bike leg. While world tour pros are regularly doing over 300 in one day six hour races.
@@hansdieter4381??
Well Kevin, there is obviously No problem
I've been thinking the same thing. The 2022 Tour was apparently the fastest in history, including the EPO years. It fell off for a while after Lace, and everyone looked out of breath, but now they're as fast as ever. It may have something to do with having so many teams on the front all the time, but I just can't believe the speeds.
There are other huge triathletes that where caught- Kona winner Nina Kraft, Olympic winner Brigitte McMahon, Tim Ton
Exactly! Acting like this positive test is bigger than when Nina Kraft got busted is ridiculous! No one remembers Kraft from 20 years ago…therefore, Chartier is the biggest ever? Please!
Agree. The Nina Kraft case was far bigger and more impactful. Triathlon has not been exactly innocent for a long time
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Tim *Don was caught?
If there is big prize money there will always be drug cheats.
even without money, there will be cheats....some guys place their ego over anything else....
Even with no money. I've seen dudes on insane amount of gear at local mma shows
There’s a 0% chance Collin Chartier wasn’t doping at Ironman Mont Tremblant 2022 & Ironman should 100% award Josh Amberger as the winner 🏆
Collin should give back the winning trophy & prize money.
I don’t believe him for a second.
What tells you josh wasn't doping as well?
Brigitte McMahon won Olympic gold in 2000 and tested positive for EPO in 2005 again saying that she started after winning in Sydney……surely the biggest drug scandal in Triathlon.
TRT /HRT use is not uncommon in age group racing and there is little chance of being caught or challenged,
Triathlon isn't cleaner. It's just almost entirely controlled by a privately owned, profit-driven corporation that's not interested in spending much money on testing. This allows the athletes to pursue a career relatively unmonitored and untested in a way that Track & Field athletes or pro cyclists just aren't. There's a ton of carrot and not much stick in professional triathlon when it comes to PED use.
If you’re saying this is the biggest drug scandal in triathlon history, you must have never heard of Nina Kraft.
Its for clicks mate. Obviously he isnt educated about past triathletes that got busted. These people act naive or innocent that theres no doping in this sport. Give me a break 😂 if it happens in other sports, then it happens in this sport. Even age grouper dope just to win a grand 🤷♂️🔫
Aside from 1989, the fans of the sport of triathlon seem to have amnesia.
Brigitte McMahon, the 2000 Olympic champion in Women's Triathlon, tested positive for EPO in 2005. An Olympic champion in triathlon ended her career in disgrace because of doping. Similar to Collin, she said that she was in a dark place, going through a divorce, having nagging injuries and not performing as she wanted. She insisted that she did not dope during the Sydney or Athens Games, and that she won the gold medal fairly. She also said the EPO was for therapeutic reasons only. After the positive test she was immediately removed from the Swiss national team and was facing a two-year ban from triathlon. As a consequence, she retired from the sport. That is by far the biggest doping scandal in Triathlon history.
It didn’t actually get that much attention back then though. The sport was too small and social media didn’t allow for it. So it’s a crazier story, she had achieved arguably more - but I believe Collin’s case was bigger.
@@thetriathlonhour Kobe Bryant won 5 NBA championships, was on 18 all-star teams, was the 2005 NBA most valuable player and a two-time NBA championship finals most valuable player, yet he said his two Olympic gold medals were his greatest accomplishments. Ask Jan Frodeno, Alister Brownlee, Kristian Blummenfelt and Nicola Spirig what was their most valued accomplishment and I'd bet each of them would say the Olympic gold medal, just like Kobe. Also, the corporation that owns the Ironman event sued the ITU in the 1990s attempting to force the Ironman World Championships to be QUALIFYING event for the Olympics. That tells you how important the Olympics were to them. Everyone knows an Olympic gold medal is far greater an accomplishment than a PTO US open win, with no disrespect to that event. Thus, there is no argument, Bridgitte was more accomplished than Collin.
@@thetriathlonhour getting more publicity doesn't make it a bigger scandal rofl. It's the scandal itself and the prestige of the athlete that makes the scandal itself a big deal
@@socrates5135 that happened 18 years ago, not at the forefront of peoples memories. The top trathlon atheletes today were still only children when this happened. yes she was way more accomplished than Collin but that was also a time where doping was rather rampant in all sports. I am not saying it isnt now but the testing is a lot more thorough 18 years later.
@Brurgh The title is “The Biggest DOPING Scandal in Triathlon History JUST Happened.” In all fairness, the title is a hyperbolic exaggeration if you don’t consider the complete history of the sport, which is not long since the sport was only relatively recently invented in 1974 in San Diego CA. Had he said “a big doping scandal just happened”, fine, but that’s not what he said. And, yes, Brigitte was way more accomplished than Collin. This scandal has gotten more attention because the sport is more prominent now and social media was almost nonexistent back then.
"Cycling, running and swimming have all had big name doping cases come to the light, but not triathlon.."
You cannot possibly be surprised...
Putting a lighter aspect to this massive problem, I asked my wife to get me some EPO, but that Evening Primrose Oil was useless
When i was road racing in the 2010s in Texas, there was a cycling forum. One time, one of the elites guys posted " be careful guys, USAC" is walking around the finish line at ....", I forgot the road race at the time. Then during those years. This doctor, that transitioned from triathlon to road racing, was destroying the whole peloton at the C2/C3 category. He was 53 at the time, and will break away solo to never been seen at almost all the races. It was comical, but the officials were buddy buddy with these frauds, so nothing to see here.
"He was 53 at the time, and will break away solo to never been seen at almost all the race"...
I do'nt understand what you mean, or what that means...
@@iiii2903 It means he rode away from the peloton, rode out of sight, and won solo.
@@trentvlak ah ok, got it....🤣I thought you meant he left the race to avoid controls....
Jack, you are a very good interviewer, however, when you heard him contradict him self regarding "people at the top doping", why didn't you ask him specifically who he was referring too. With the IRONMAN CEO interview you really kept on him and asked direct questions over and over, with this interview i thought there were questions you could have kept asked him, but you didn't. Was there any reason why? These questions were much more important than the IRONMAN CEO interview. Thanks for letting me ask and thank you for the good podcast!
He is friends with collin, didnt wanna burn that bridge I guess...
He is a fan boy.
IF ANYONE THINKS THE BIG NAMES IN ANY PRO SPORT ARE NATTY YOU PROBS STILL BELIEVE IN SANTA! XD
In 2004, Nina Kraft of Germany won Kona then tested positive. She was much bigger of a name than Colin, but it seems like the sands of time have gotten than story.
it's also that most people don't care about female sports (including the females themselves)
I hate drug cheats. Three years ban is pitiful. There should be mandatory life bans for this kind of thing and although Chartier says he is not coming back after this period he shouldn't be given the option.
I agree. Anyone tests positive it should be a life ban for any sport. But Pro sport is filthy business, too many sin and do works of the flesh. The real athletes will only be known from heaven. This empire could easily clean up sports but it has money and special interests to maintain, which requires to keep pedalling the deception.
Collin Chartier is the biggest name caught using PED in triathlon?! Come on, thatˋs ridiculous. Nina Kraft had 3 Kona podiums and lost her victory 2004 because she took EPO. Brigitte MacMahon was olympic champion.
now we know how they train 😄🤌
PTO and Ironman cannot close their eyes to the issue. All Top 20 athletes need to be tested or at least collect sample on monthly basis
Especially when huge amounts of money is involved
Wake up guys! Endurance sport is no better since Lance, 64 Kenyans tested positive this year alone. If you’re not in dope, you’re not even trying. There are clean athletes. This is not the biggest doping in triathlon history.
Those that use PEDs often have self-esteem issues. Despite their world class talent, it is not enough for them. Sad.
Jimmy Riccitello was using PED's in the 1980's and he has admitted publicly in an argument with Paul Thomas about his experience with PED's so it's not like it's a new thing in tri-sports. I wouldn't be surprised to find out others having been involved in similar situations to enhance their performance.
Great video Jack, thank you
went from a relative zero to hero in12 months...yeah...that's normal...
I love how the same things is happening in every single sport
Wasn’t Nina Kraft (2004) a big name? And L-Carnitine is definitely NOT out of the norm for athlete usage from body builders to endurance athletes; I’d venture to say it’s more of a staple in elite circles.
There’s a whiff of witch-hunting in this mess. The line between what constitutes “natural” training & “doping” is weird, blurry & sometimes doesn’t make much sense. Also, what about the technology that goes into the super-bikes & running shoes the athletes wear, technology which, frankly, most amateurs can’t afford. Is that cheating?
@grahamstrouse1165 really? There's a rulebook, it tells you what isn't allowed. The grey area is pretty small - mainly around TUEs and methodology.
There is an easy and obvious way to not break the rules... (unless you believe Contador's "dodgy steak" excuse, which few do...)
@@grahamstrouse1165 No, the powers that be only consider any type of motorized assistance or certain substances as performance enhancing. Many amateurs are able to afford more than what most pros can.😉. Only a few pros get big ticket items for free. It isn’t difficult to get your pro card. It IS difficult to be at the top of the pro fields. PS. In swimming ‘they’ deemed certain suits to be too much of an advantage; they were allowed one year and disallowed the next. I believe there may be an * next to any record that was set wearing the now banned suits.🤷♀️. I remember when caffeine (certain amounts) was banned.
Pffft, if anyone really thought Tri was cleaner than other sports I have a bridge to sell you.
To all those in the comments so insistent that triathlon and sport in general is so fucked and can't understand how anyone can run faster that a 20 minute 5k without doping.
Maybe you are right, but I'm going to set out a few arguments as to why people are getting faster without the use of drugs. Firstly technology is always improving - the weight and aero savings seen on bikes is going to knock minutes of compared with 20 years ago. Similarly with wetsuits and shoes although not quite as big a benefit. Nutrition science has come on leaps and bounds and fuelling really is large part of particularly long course triathlon, similarly training techniques are always evolving and getting better. Secondly more people are competing than ever before, triathlon is a young sport that's experienced massive growth. More competition improves performance in general as well as it being more likely that some freak of nature is going to take up the sport and demolish everyone (admittedly this argument can be used for increased doping as well) . Also I think most people don't realise how how invasive and thorough anti-doping testing is by the likes of wada - its arguably harder to stay clean than it is to fail a doping test (meaning given how we don't see constant doping test failures the athletes are more likely to be clean). With the exception of state sponsored doping that's got hundreds of millions of dollars behind it (i.e. Russia) its very hard to cheat and triathletes don't have that kind of wealth.
And at the end of the day - why do you follow triathlon, watch and comment on videos about triathlon (or any other sport) if you are so eager to point out its all a lie, try to destroy the reputation the sport and the enjoyment of those that love it. Are you just here to irritate people like me because you can always fall back on the argument, "oh we just don't have the technology to detect certain substances" and there's no answer for that. Are you salty that you tried to make it but didn't have the graft and discipline to succeed so need to tear down those who do?
Put yourself in the athletes shoes for a minute. You've given up 10+ years of your life working hard training 5-6 hours a day, barely socialising outside your sport, not "going out and having fun", following a strict regimented lifestyle, being constantly tired, thoroughly checking what goes in and out of your body, having to wait 3+ hours after an event in a tent with just doping controllers and other athletes to produce enough urine to be tested when you should be out celebrating. All so you can say you are the best in the world at something but someone says "pff, no biggie I could be the best if I cheated". I mean most have learnt to ignore it but still it's got to hurt a little bit.
Any of you ever heard of the phrase "innocent until proven guilty". It's the basis of judicial systems around the world and quite an important concept to understand if you want true justice in the world. Either provide some actual evidence that there is widespread cheating (beyond just "they're too fast") or keep quiet until you do and let those of us that enjoy the sport have our happiness.
I wholeheartedly agree.
I’m not going to read all of that😂
Some good points, but so emotional! Not gonna comment on everything, but you say 5-6 hours of training a day - that's a little bit too much (I'd say 4-5 on average, with some exceptions). "Having to wait 3+ hours after an event in a tent (..) when you should be out celebrating" - it's normal for THEM, it's a pro athlete life. And not really celebrating, but more like resting probably.
This person self identify himself as “im a fooking triathlete” whenever he swim bike and run training thinking they are hot shit. But as soon as things go real these facker will be calling cops yelling assault. Mate, nobody gives a fook how much or many you can train if you think you are better than anyone. Thats why you and others needs some humble pie from bjj and mma people 😂 you guys aint all that. Its a hobby after all. If u know u know.
20 minutes is slow for a natty. I know multiple clean high schoolers that went sub 15. I was bottom of varsity, top of jv in the 17s
How do they do it?
Mitochondria can be genetically altered to have them feed off fat-based ketones, leading to much smaller, ketone-based rations capable of maintaining an athlete's peak performance for days at a time. Altered Mitochondria can better utilise ketones in order to rapidly restore ATP when cells deplete to ADP and AMP states during sustained intense exercise. Not a climber or a sprinter? No worries! It's possible to trigger changes to core cellular structures (aka "legal gene doping") by modifying fast/slow twitch fibre ratios. It's even possible to increase natural EPO production. Read Iñigo San Millán's literature, it explains it all in theory.
Extras:
Stem cell therapy.
Muscle relaxants.
Massage.
Ice baths.
IV nutrient/hydration drips.
Cutting edge supplements.
All of the aforementioned is "legal" and produces performances in excess of the Lance effect. Science has progressed significantly since the EPO days.
P.S. People don't want to believe that their champions are doping and sport IS too big to fail.
P.P.S. Scientists are also hunting genetic freaks so that they already start with a performance monster. Then it's a case of getting their numbers up as high as possible naturally and then using new scientific techniques to further improve and then maintain those numbers. The "10,000 hour athlete" model is out the window. It's quite reminiscent of horse and greyhound racing only the animals happen to be cyclists.
If the triathlon world thinks that their sport is clean...i have a bridge to sell them😂😂😂
The bigger the money (sponsors and prize pool) the higher the propensity for cheating.
Fans believed that the sport was clean?? Were they blind?? Do you think it's possible to do what the guys that win do, being clean?? Eating broccolis with rice and water? 🤡🤡🤡
He’s definitely not the only one! It’s rife at the top of the age group racing as well. Pisses me right off! Still, at least I’m less likely to have health issues later in life
i feel a bit sorry for lionel... i think is probably more devastating for him now he will have his good rep (possibly) tarnished by association.
Given his ratio training/results....I think he may be the only one in this sport not doping....😂😂
All along I could have swore it was the maple syrup.
Oh the Drama.... If u know the real epo usage in this sport it would blow your mind.
can you develop this thought?
@@iiii2903 in time it will show.
in most videos from other pro atheletes talking about this they all say "I know this is NOT an isolated incident" then go on to say they don't have evidence, but strongly emphasize they know of others. pretty interesting stuff coming to light finally
The doping case of Collin Chartier is a really big scandal but also a strong sign of the
effectiveness and importance of out of competition testing (OOC) in professional triathlon sport.
In the past there were often issues of problems with financing these test on a regular basis, so as a result there were often to few testing outside of the big races. With the actual significant growing of professional triathlon supported by the efforts and financial ressources of the PTO there is a good chance that the financial basis of the anti-doping-fight is far better so we are going to see more testing in training.
The actual doping scandal may be kind of a wake up call that professional triathlon do everything possible to stays as clean as possible.
Is the next episode of the Podcast still coming out?
once again great video, keep it up!!
It's only the tip of the iceberg, wait until all sports are tested 😂😂😂
its hard to believe in a sport with such poor out of comp testing. Dont ask dont tell wont cut it.
The fact that these drugs are sold online answers the question
Hmmmm, how fortunate that he didn't start doping until AFTER he won all that money, otherwise he'd probably get sued and have to pay it all back. (insert amazingly huge eyeroll here)
Scraping the surface. Doping is huge in triathlon and the testing protocols poor
yep....there is an interesting video made by TJ tolakson in which he says that he had a pro triathlete buddy who got tested 20 times, when himself almost never...why...? because the buddy was living close to the offices of the anti doping agency, as him was living in some america remote place....hilarious....
When choosing to show prior epo users, perhaps don't show someone that has been cleared of all charges (Rutger Beke)
Although he was officially cleared, due to testing methodology, you won't find many people who believe he was actually clean. But maybe that's more down to the cynicism of other?
Sorry stopped competing at club level ages ago 'cos people were even cheating there. Now I can't even watch sport any more. Now only ride for myself, for the fun.....
After 50 yrs of managing people in the Military and industry in large scale mfg environments with 100"s of employees working self directed, my experience helped me develop this rule, regarding human behavior and actions: If I you see it happen once, its probably not the first or only time its happened; If you see it happen (witness it) twice, its happening all the time, its just something you have not been aware of, or conscious of. So one positive doping test while sad, does not automatically mean the sport is tainted. If another athlete pops, then rest assured, its a problem in the sport.
Regarding Collin, for sure he did not start doping AFTER his best performances, that's just beyond credibility.
Scott Molina who won Embrun and Hawaii was also convicted of doping, and he was a bigger name on those days !!
I think the bit about L-CaRNITINE (not L-cartinine like you somehow pronounced it) is a bit ignorant addition. Its an amino acid, and a benign one at that as far as usage by athletes goes. to say its outside of the norm for performance is just weird. carnitine is no more serious than taking a good multivitamin and electrolytes to supplement training..
If any sport where people can compete at an elite level and win million dollar prizes alongside 6 figure sponsorships actually believes it’s clean then it’s being delusional. This is elite sport with huge rewards for being the best. People will cheat.
Huge prize? These guys are in the wrong sports for a pro. Anyone would be happy being bench players earning millions for years in the nba that these guys will never achieve in their pro career 😂
@@PhiyackYuh maybe. But none of these guys have the genetics to get into the NBA. They play the hand they’re dealt.
The disparity gap between pro sports and “ normal” society is quite impressive. This Double Standard is quite real. This guy got popped for taking a drug to help him do his job in the most successful way he could…. That’s pretty much how Hollywood, US ball sports, and probably every single Fortune 500 CEO rolls. Once people can get over what it is that they are watching, this conversation will cease to exist.
That being said…. USADA…everyone is waiting for you to spill the frijoles on NFL,MLB, NHL, NBA ( oh wait I already mentioned American football), and pretty much all Big Ten colleges.
Just sayin….
great video!!
The book, 'Seven Deadly Sins : My Pursuit of Lance Armstrong', by David Walsh, includes an insight into the use of performance enhancing drugs by all elite level athletes, prevalent accross all sports, soccer, tennis, athletics, etc., etc. In fact, it lists numerous famous former elite level participants who have failed drugs testing.
It's simply about being clever enough not to be caught taking performance enhancing drugs as a 'professional' sportsman/woman.
Nothing clever about not being caught, because when all is said and done both the empire they train under probably knows and has tech to know who cheats. But the kingdom above that in heaven knows all, and there is no escaping that. You can't hide your sin from God. You can't escape the truth of what you do in this life. Contrary to what people generally believe in professional sport. Works of the flesh is sin.
@tim-williams oh FFS, go do one...
@@alan_davis triggered lol
I personally don't get it. Unless it's for monetary gain, these victories are just so hollow. I would never get any satisfaction knowing that I'm cheating to win. Unless it is a case of "Others are doing it, so I do it to keep up" bs...
The modern doping regimes are miles ahead of the testing methods. Athletes only get caught when being extremely careless, using old programs with older gen drugs (like Collin was), or both.
I imagine there's some substances in use that aren't even tested for yet.
Sanders is NOT as hydrated as he could be. Look how DRY Sanders looks. When Sanders stops caring how he looks in the mirror he will start performing his best.
The point of Sanders is not to perform, it's to get money from his sponsors who like him because of his huge fan base....
Ah yes. Cheating and then crossing the finish line pretending you deserve it.
No way he’s telling the truth
They are all doping
Anyone who doesn't believe doping is widely present at the elite levels of all sport is simply naïve or uninformed. Your feigned shock at him admitting to taking something as benign as l-carnitine loses any respect or objectivity as a member of the sport world.
Yeah I mean L-Carnitine is literally just an amino acid. They sell the shit in walmart. And if one feels like downing enough, one can get the same effect from just drinking the powder.
Every triathlete I've spoken to assumes the sport is full of cheats. Wealthy, entitled, corner-cutting cheats, from the pros to the age groupers.
Any Cycling sport that requires or has uses for a $17,000 TT bike is a complete joke in my opinion.
Coming from the dirtiest sport in the world other than bodybuilding and powerlifting, it blows my mind that people are willfully ignorant about these things. Of course the high levels pro athletes in triathlon are doping, they are high levels pro athletes.
I’m sure the coach with the most advanced data monitoring system in the sport didn’t know he was doping! And I’m sure the guy he was living with at the time with the same coach also didn’t know 🙄🙄🤡
There’s a reason Lionel Sanders stopped working with Mikal.
Not really. Mikal is a private coach with limited resources. Olav Alexander is the Norwegian Federation coach with considerably more resources that are not available to Mikal’s athletes. He can’t tell much from a .7ml lactate sample no matter how many he takes.
@@dbk81 only Lionel knows for sure, but his stated reason is that he has his worst year as a professional. Too much volume, tempo and aerobic threshold work and not enough high end or recovery for him
@@cphilipbrown Sanders has definitely gone through a few coaches over the years
Give them some credit...they just thought that IVs were a fancy way to get more mapple syrup in
You are obviously forgetting Nina Kraft in '04.
I don’t think anyone forgets it, but it’s been a long time between drinks. This one has a high profile because we live in a day and age where information moves so quickly.
@@cphilipbrown I just find the title a bit over the top... At best the biggest Doping Scandal of 2022.
Unless this story ultimately connects bigger names to him (Chartier), I'll hardly find this story to be triathlon's biggest doping scandal.
I unfortunately lump the Chartier saga into a small chapter of the doping history of the sport.
Sadly, the endurance racing industry is now just as dirty as pro bodybuilding and track and field. EXTREMELY hard, low-skill sports that require maximum efforts are where drugs provide the most advantages. It was inevitable.
The Icarus doco highlighted how even amateur athletes are doping.
0:30 triathlon fans have always believed that triathlon is clean.. NOPE. a lot of dirty business goes on there especially if you realise that PTO, Clash, IronMan and other brands are a whole business ecosystem that makes money. They'd simply protect any athlete who gets spotted, call it "DNS", and move on. Plus it's much less regulated compared to other sports. Not talking about olympic and ITU, but everything else can go under radars pretty easily.
Case with Collin is that was he small enough to make him a scapegoat, and used as a way to shake/cleanup the Tri community. Maybe it's part of brands competition - it really puts on spot the race orgs and brand who passed him. Or - he was simply snitched by other "goats" who didn't want to share their part of the business with new fish.
I also personally heard of quite common technical doping(electric motor) from one PRO athlete I know, on top level races not so long ago.
Look, there's doping in every sport.
LMAO, I didn't know people performed triathlons without doping. That's another level of naivety
Can't believe these guys are foolish enough to think they can manage thier own doping with no experience. Gotta have experienced guidance to avoid detection.
His candidness about it almost makes you wonder if he was looking to get caught.
We need to be fully investigating EVERYONE that was around him including LIONEL, his coach Eden etc etc etc etc.
😂now when they get caught they try to fast track to the redemption faze by admitting their guilt and going for sympathy, blaming psychological reasons.
how did this surprise anyone? i am doped as a non-pro with nothing to win or lose. Let alone somebody who has a lot of money and sponsorships to lose.
I am still surprised Bolt never got popped for epo and trt
Given the sensitivity of modern tests, I'm pretty sure everything you could buy on the internet will pop... I'm certain that are some space-age/experimental products that are undetectable... but those things aren't cheap!! and let's be honest, there is not enough money in triathlon for athletes to be able to afford any of it. It takes a state sponsor program to make that work...
Since the guy that was taking EPO got cut... i believe that the front of the pack (tested pro) is pretty clean.... ( fair to say that the system works)
But, most of the age groupers are NOT tested, so I will not be surprised among the faster ones, some percentage were on TRT and a similar proportion of the slower ones are taking unhealthy amounts of painkillers.
Tip of the Iceberg and EVERYONE KNOWS IT.
Yes doping is very big in triathlon! It's everywhere. I raced for many years when triathlon started in the late 80's when it was truly a honest sport. This is no longer true. It's so bad that many age groupers (you know the guys that do receive any prize money) use drugs. Terrible that this sport has come to this but it happens in other sports too. Now I just train and do small local races for fun!
Ah yes... the ego... "i want more, faster and sooner"
He's the first in the top 20 to get caught. Thats all.
Individual discipline endurance sports have had doping scandals...but triathlons clean for sure ...🙄
2 year ban is redicules. Yea 1 million dollar price money. Big money destroyes everything.
Anyone believing any sport is free from drugs is delusional...
The biggest doping scandal so far...
Oh, and yeah, we never believed our sport was cleaner. We just accepted that triathlon and testing was inadequate.
When I raced at Roth in 2014 I was fully using PEDs. They were Erdinger beer, pretzels, Haribo gummies. The proof in the pudding was me hooking up with a German chick that night and my performance going to another level, just like Collin's.
Are you sh-tting me?? Large sums of money was up for grabs and somebody had the audacity to gain an unfair advantage?? What’s the professional world of sports coming to???
Lol, everybody knows that people of Scandinavian descent do great in high heat and humidity environments. Who could have seen this coming...
Cheaters are everywhere.
When something looking too good to be true...etc
I have been in sport my whole life.... doping is more a daily thing than drinking cow milk nowadays.
Everyone is on steroids -Nate Diaz
surely the biggest DOPING Scandal in Triathlon History was when the recently crowned IM Kona winner tested positive ... Nina was a world class athlete and had been a Kona contender for a number of years whereas this chap is a mid-tier pro that really only has profile due to social media ...
nothing worse than a cheater. life ban no questions asked
l-carnitine is no where near doping.
everyone does it but when someone is "caught" oh no this is so scandalous 🤣🤣
Couldn’t have said it better. I also do believe in this one.
0:25 LOL !
El triatlon debe de ser uno de los deportes más contaminados de dopaje tanto a nivel profesional como amateur , es de escándalo.
The one guarantee in all top level sports is that no matter how strict the testing, no matter how much time and money is spent developing tests and testing procedures, more time and money will be spent figuring out how to beat them.
As far as I'm concerned the only way to stop this is to make drug bans very simple. If you're caught cheating, you get banned for life from every sport. Anybody who is found to have had any part in your cheating, or any knowledge of your cheating, gets the same treatment. You're a coach who knows that one of your athletes is cheating and you don't report them, your career is over. If you're an athlete who knows of a competitor cheating, turn them in or your career is over.
No second chances, no 1 or 2 year bans, no redemption. You get caught cheating, helping somebody else cheat, or failing to report somebody who you know to be cheating, and your career is over.
I also think that hand in hand with that should be a doped category. If you want to compete clean then you can do so, knowing full well that if you cheat then you are never coming back, but if you want to dope yourself up and see how far a human body can be pushed then you're free to do so but only against other people who want to do the same.