Why was Mariano Rivera the first unanimous Hall of Famer?
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Here's a stat, more people have walked on the moon, than were able to score on Mo in the postseason
Perfect storm. Barely 10 qualified candidates this year + GCOAT by a VERY WIDE margin (it's not even debatable) + ridiculous postseason numbers + 5 rings + not a whiff of PEDs around him even though he was right in that era + incredibly nice guy who made no enemies anywhere (even Red Sox fans mostly like Mariano). I never thought it would happen, but you knew going in he had a better shot at it than anyone has to date. Good for him. We are all lucky to have lived to watch this man play the best sport in the world.
Not the toughest guy in the world because that title goes to Stone Cold Steve Austin the Texas Rattlesnake
CONSIDER THIS: Imagine Tom Brady making an entire career, establishing all sorts of seemingly unbreakable passing records..........just by throwing bombs on every single play. No screens, no over the middle slants, no nothing. Just one pass. EVERY SINGLE defensive coordinator and defensive player KNOWS it is coming on EVERY SINGLE play. And yet scoring at a rate which is ALSO a likely untouchable record..........All day. Every day.......That is what Mariano did.
You're comparing Brady doing that for a whole game compared to Mariano only having to do that for 1 or 2 innings max. Oranges and Apples its 2 totally different things.
As a Yankee fan, I disliked Curt but still respected his ability. Now that he has retired and I know his views, I respect him even more. Curt belongs in the hof.
How about Fred McGriff ? Another haller!!!
That one boggles my mind. His numbers are fucking incredible. One of the most consistent players ever. 30+ homers every year, not a hint of the juice, never hurt, almost 500 homers. He should be in by now.
Fred McGrff should be a hall of fame
Think of it like this he dominated with one pitch for over a decade... Congrats 🎉 he deserved it...💯
Why? He dominated the sport with one pitch.
Every HOF pitcher has that one pitch they dominated with. As a Yankee fan, Mariano had his fastball and occasional sinker but his cutter was his best lethal pitch.
Randy Johnson dominated the game with his slider. HOF. Bert Blyleven dominated with his curveball. HOF. Greg Maddux dominated the game with his changeup. Mike Mussina, his knucklecurve. Now HOF.
@@Melbester9 You miss the point tho. All those pitchers you named still had more than one out pitch in their arsenal. With Mariano, every hitter that faced him knew exactly what pitch was coming and they still could do nothing with it. That's the difference. In fact, Rivera is the reason why so many pitchers tried to incorporate the Cutter into their pitching repertoire. But no one has yet been able to duplicate its effectiveness.
@@Psandoval85 So what if he had one good pitch, he didn't always threw his cutter. Even if he had one dominant pitch, yes he perfected the cutter but there's other pitchers that have followed suit.
Kenley Jansen throws the cutter too. But I see where you're coming from but not every pitcher will be good with a certain pitch.
Mariano just happened to know how to throw a cutter and knew how to rotate the ball when he throws it so it gets that late cut, that's why he eventually perfected it because he threw so many times that it became natural to him.
Every pitcher is different and unique to their own pitch and what pitches are their best ones. Heck I can throw Chien Ming Wang at you, he had the best sinker I ever seen from a pitcher. Sucks his injury in 2008 against the Astros ruined his career.
Point being every pitcher has a their own pitches and what pitches are their best ones. You can't really condemn Mo for that. The cutter is good against lefties but not so much against righties. More effective on lefties because of the late cut on the hands.
And not only that, Mo was a great fielder as well. It ain't just his cutter. He knew how to locate pitches as well.
Not only the cutter pitchers try to throw from other pitchers, even the knuckleball too. Tim Wakefield was the best knuckleball pitcher before others but again there was others, other pitchers do the knuckleball but not all pitchers can throw the knuckleball.
Batters knew the cutter was coming most of the time but some were impatient and just swung but as a batter it's all about making adjustments. Mo didn't dominate everyone with his cutter. A few great players hit well against his cutter, Edgar HOF Martinez and others in his time. At the end of the day it's up to the batter to approach a pitch and figure out how to get through the at bat.
@@Psandoval85 There are some pitchers that are great with multiple pitches. Some pitchers are best with just one pitch. It doesnt matter if they rely on one pitch or rely on 3 pitches, if you can still get the batter out that's the inportant key here.
In my example, Greg Maddux was good with many pitches. If you master a pitch and know how to locate your pitches when you throw it, that makes you a better pitcher. Greg Maddux I would say was that kind of pitcher.
@@Psandoval85 Greg Maddux threw a cutter too. Didnt use it as his main pitched but he used it at times and was still good with it.
Regardless of his limited team play as a closer his brilliance lived above the highest norm.
You can fix it a few was:
1. Don't release the % if you don't get in so no one knows how close or far you are.
2. Eliminate the rule of 10.
3. Raise the % to 90% to get in.
4:09 $750K, is Ichiro the highest paid Minor League player in history now?
Not even close.
Check out Yasmani whatshisface for the Dbacks...
Really...whoever didn't vote for Ruth, Cobb, Wagner or Mays should have been banned forever.
Ok, as much as I loved David Cone, really? He didn't win 200 games (neither did Koufax, but Cone pitched 16 years)...his only Cy Young came in the strike year....too many injuries....his career tanked after the perfect game. So come on Michael...Coney was great, but he wasn't HOF.
I agree. Cone at his best, sure. But Cone was only at his best for about 6 years. He was still very good the rest of his career, but not as good as Moose. Moose retired on a 20 win season. Pettitte often said the mark of a great starter is winning half your starts. Cone was close to that, at 194 wins in 419 starts. But he didn't hit that benchmark.
Now I would take Pettitte or Schilling in a big game over Moose, but not by a wide margin. And I say that in spite of hating Schilling.
Though to be fair, Pettitte fell short of his own standard, winning 256 of his 521 starts, or 49.1%, still better than Cone's 46.3%, but not quite as good as Schilling's 216/436 for 49.5%. Moose, though, had 270 wins in 536 starts for 50.3% just slighlty ahead of the others and also ahead of Pettitte's benchmark.
Cone was better than Mussina, but to me neither are HOF'ers.
Cone's one of those players who could have been a Hall of Famer but his shot was undone by injuries. After that surgery in 1996 and 1997, the fact that he was able to keep pitching for few more years was a miracle.
He only is a picher that set
What about that sports writer from Mass who said he didn't feel that Mo should go in the Hall and instead of turning in his ballot without Mo on it he chose to not turn in a ballot at all.....just a lot of stupid people out there....that writer should have his voting privilege taken away
That's Bill Ballou. He has a thing about "closers" and doesn't recognize the role or their stats. (I'm also a purist who favors starters going nine innings if they are able, but I recognize the role of relievers, it's just that they are automatically over-used now, but that's the manager's fault). Ballou changed his mind and submitted a ballot, and voted for Rivera. The NY post ran a story on it but he wrote his own column about why he changed his mind. Besides all the mail he got, he arrived at his conclusion to vote for Rivera because, as he put it, if he were to write a book about baseball, there would be no way he could leave Mariano Rivera and his greatness out of the book. You could google it.
I thought the unanimous vote was stupid. Mariano had blown saves in the post season. His career was not perfect.
I respect mo but 100% is crazy
He should'nt be .
Because duh
What a joke. He completely CHOKED in game four of the 2004 ALCS, and allowed the Red Sox to claw there way back into the series, and eventually beat the Yankees.
By your logic, hitting just 1 home run, & slugging just .372, during the Red Sox' collapse in September of 2011 should be held against David Ortiz by some (or all) of the voters when he's eligible
You're the only joke here.
@@ellandecampbell6279 That and the fact Ortiz is on the same positive test list cited to keep other players out of the hall
@@TheBatugan77 That's pretty rich coming from an idiot like you, with all that porn you got on your channel.
You're such a moron, and a CREEP!
@@legallyresistingtyranny5901 You have nothing do you?
Politics is one thing, but a lot of Schilling's comments over the years are simply hateful and hate-filled (and please, let's not confuse hate with prudent wariness - there's a difference).
Apart from Schilling's situation, character should be factored into a player's selection. A player's highly regarded long-term performance of course is the threshold for consideration. But doesn't "the game" wish to have positive role models? I think players who have reputations as cheats, dirty players, or are outright obnoxious divas should be excluded.
rla1000 - Keep identity politics out of sports PERIOD
The HOF is about ability....not character or role models
This is the exact same reason why ESPN has turned to complete shit....I personally hated shilling when he played (ketchup sock and all) but he definitely deserves to be in the HOF despite your subjective opinion that he has said "hateful things"
I'm so sick of morons like you trying to inject your bullshit morals onto others....the left is now the new religious right....ITS FUCKING PATHETIC
rla1000- haha someone sounds salty 😂😂
Go scream in your pillow soyboy 😭😭
Name one "hate filled" comment he has ever made. And your example better not be his Tweet about 5% Muslims are extreme, a picture of man dressed in drag using the women's restroom or saying the saying the January 6th people were brave. Those are nothing. The Muslim comment is not controversial to any decent person. And the January 6th comment is his dumb politics, but it is an equivalent to the people who people who supported the 2020 race rioters, and hardly something that should preclude him.
Over rated mo was
Still wanting to see Don Mattingly get written in. There is no good reason why he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
@curragh 42 do you even know who you are talking about?
@curragh 42 "He didn't play long enough" "didn't have enough hof years" "90 to 95 he had none" Every single one of these statements allows me to say you truly dont know who the hell you are talking about.
1990 he had his only unremarkable year since his rookie debut in 1982, and when I say unremarkable, doesn't mean he played badly at all, just average. The funny thing is you said 90 to 95 he had none, he absolutely did with 4 Golden Gloves out of his 9 total in his career, which is insane to have for any position. Nearly 65% of his career he held that title, that's amazing in itself.
He didn't play long enough? What the HELL are you even talking about? 14 years is more than the average Major League service. So please explain that one to me, as again, you dont seem to know who the hell you are talking about.
Didn't have enough HOF years? Well he has more than some who are already inducted.
1 time MVP
3 time Silver Slugger
6 time All-Star
9 time Golden Glover
In 14 years.
DO EXPLAIN YOURSELF!
@curragh 42 You may want to go read the actual stats for his hitting during that time.
Here's the highlights that you are overlooking, and it makes me think you are one of those people who only focuses on Home Runs.
1990 .256 w/ 42 RBI in 101 games (low RBIs, still a decent average, his 2nd lowest in his career, with his .167 in 7 games in his 1982 being the actual lowest, if you count a 7 game stat for a good depiction of a person's batting.)
1991 .288 w/ 68 RBI in 152 games (nothing special with his RBI's but his average is pretty damn good.
1992 .288 w/ 86 RBI in 157 games
1993 .291 w/ 86 RBI in 134 games
1994 .304 w/ 62 RBI in 97 games
1995 .288 w/ 59 RBI in 128 games
And these are his low seasons...seriously you are something special if you want to just toss him to the side. He is one of the rare few who can say they barely got struck out. 444 career strike outs, .307 career average over 2,000 hits, tons of accolades that you fail to appreciate. I mean 6 time all-star, 9 time golden glover, 3 time silver slugger for someone who is deemed a average player who isn't HOF material?
You do realize he averages more hits, over all average, RBIs, and less strikeouts per year than Cal Ripken Jr.? And if the All-Star voting was based on stats over popularity he would have more of a right to all of those All-Star nods than Cal Ripken Jr. Not that I have anything against Ripken, just comparing him to make a foot sturdily placed in the ground point.
@curragh 42 You stupid or something? Nothing NOTHING is even close to being shoulda woulda, coulda. The stats are solid. AGAIN 14 YEAAAARRRRSSS Is not a small number you dipshit, and his stats and awards all match a Hall Of Famer. One thing that seems to be becoming even more clear is that YOU are the one who is Biased. I take it you are not a Yankees fan and want to bitch and moan because someone else who was a Yankee is being said they should be in the Hall of Fame. So why the hell are you on the YESNetwork video's commenting on shit? Just here to cause problems?
You must have failed to realize that Mattingly has been mentioned many times as someone who should be in, and now things are changing, he has the chance he deserved to get it in the coming years. Get mad all you want and disagree to cold hard facts that I have shoved your damn face in like a dogs nose into shit. You got me to give you my time long enough, but no more. In the future, if you are going to debate with someone, actually debate and not say bullshit that isn't true and refuse to acknowledge when you are proven to be wrong about something.
@@DivinionFaith solid stas but in my book if you ain't got 3k hits or 500 homers you better have done something spectacular and Don didn't even win a WS as a Yankee.
The best but that position is tottaly over rated
Look at his '96 season. He wasn't a closer yet, but I think that was the best season of his career
@@ellandecampbell6279
Bingo. You nailed it.
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