😂 hey man, we all do things like this. It makes me smile. I own a landscaping company, 18yrs now. I once had a irrigation valve that I needed to replace on one of my homes. by the time I was done, I realized I changed the wrong valve. 😂 I was to lazy to remove it and put it in the right position, so they got a two valves for the price of one. Oh well. Next time i pay extra attention
Thanks for showing us ALL the things that can go Wrong and do go Wrong. Something as Simple as getting Ice at a Restaurant can’t be taken for granted. 👍
I had a batch of 60 delay-on-make relays that was bad, Kele sent me a new set of 60, and those were also bad. They gave me back the $$$ and told me to keep them all. 🤷🏼♂️
Yea I had one the other week the time delay went out and the contactor was roasted, pretty much brand new unit too. Gotta love it. They also had the fan blade adjusted incorrectly and it was rubbing on the shroud lol
Huge fan from the uk firstly - my company does south of uk warranty repairs for manitowoc and the fan cycle switches on the IBT units are a massive failure issue raising multiple faults, and can be intermittent. Great vids always, use for knowledge with 20+ years in field.
Mid 80’s-mid 90’s we were the first distributor for Hoshizaki. Best ice maker ever, it had an all stainless steel evaporator with a life time warranty! Mid 90’s to mid 2000’s we were the Scotsman distributor in our area, mostly due to the “cuber” and ice preference of bar goers. Mid 2000’s-2022 we sold, serviced, and installed Manitowoc. We turned from those when they went woke and sold out to China becoming a plastic turd. We now push Kool Air which is truthfully the OG Manitowoc and so far have had good luck. The warranty still sucks just as you stated. They barely cover fuel for the truck and where we are, give us “in distributor” credit only, no actual pay out. We’ve resorted to invoicing the customer 100% the repair and giving them a blank warranty claim form to submit to the manufacture for reimbursement. I think it’s best for them to be the voice of reason after buying a brand new product that fails. 🤪😂🤨
My company, which I know own, was made from all Scotsman factory service guys. Scotsman dissolved their service department here in Southern California and our old owners bought all the service equipment, trucks etc from them and started our company in the late 90’s. You’re right about those old Hoshi’s. Great machines!
I had the same issue with a time delay that looks identical to that in a heatcraft condensing unit that I installed recently. Immediately it just chattered the contactor from first startup.
What is it with refrigeration contactors that they cheap out and remove a pole? Like this obvious two pole single phase with only one set of contacts, or the two contact three phase versions you see all the time? You never see that in any other industrial control systems.
HEY! They no longer use time delays at all Per mfg. they sent a bulletin out to bypass it and order a “time- delay bypass kit” which includes a new wiring diagram to place over existing diagram without time delay. I had one I replaced and went bad again. Hope this gets to you 👍🏽
We had a load of these Manitowoc units coming with failing fan cycle switches, units with like 8kg of gas in, no chance recovering that for a switch that makes it more ˋeco friendly´😂
4:49 That wiring diagram was written for the original time delay...is the replacement time delay internally wired the same as the original one? That's the first thing I'd check... Then again, there's a time delay in the circuit...when you turned on the disconnect, would it not trigger the time delay and prevent the contactor from pulling in immediately? Edit: Or you had a Brain-Fart... Been There! Done That!! Burned the T-Shirt while picking up the Psychosis!!! 😄😁😆😅😂🤣
More than time delay relay issues on those Indigos . Condenser fan cycle switches blowing up, condenser motor brackets breaking at the welds, Danfoss harvest valves sticking, Danfoss check valve restrictions . Manitowoc pays my mortgage. 🙂
Quality control and quality products are a thing of the past. We just installed a new carrier chiller that left the factory with a liquid line that was completely bent at the 90. Bad condenser fans, phantom alarms, ....its gonna be a problematic piece of equipment.
went to a manitowoc class this wednesday and the company who made those relays had changed their way of making them. this caused issues. long story short manitowoc wants you to replace those relays with the new ones made from a different company
Manitowoc is recalling all these time delays So just remove it and hook up the red to the contractor and replace the blue with yellow wire to contactor and remove that yellow wire and time block and problem solve. Eliminate that timer
Can they use any less materials making that contactor? Talk about making stuff as cheap as possible. As little stamped steel as possible, coil is exposed, of course single pole on a two leg system..... I think cheap Chinese crap is better than that contactor. Of course the timer chewed it up, but just overall companies trying to save as much costs as possible in manufacturing.
Your relationship with Manitowoc must not be that great, every company I've worked for bills them the hours we used a truck charge etc and any extra time for things be far away. But we usually only did the work if we were DISPATCHED from Manitowoc IE the customer called and we were an authorized provider. You can always call and get concessions from tech support too, I have done that a LOT especially with parts shortages... 'hey I have a sporlan catch all, not an Emerson filter dryer and the supply house said 7 days my customer needs ice NOW' things like that We used to stock "choice" water valves which are the same MFG for Manitowoc water valves same QR code on the body etc etc $50 instead of $150 I would get concessions to use those instead but you HAVE to have tech support approve it. Submit your warranty parts with concession numbers and boom paid!!!!
Maybe... The back EMF from the coil, when power is released, it destroyed the solid state delay. The delay might not be protected? Used to see that with old DC relay drivers. Maybe they're using cheap SCRs/Triacs? Just "armchair" guessing.
😂 hey man, we all do things like this. It makes me smile. I own a landscaping company, 18yrs now. I once had a irrigation valve that I needed to replace on one of my homes. by the time I was done, I realized I changed the wrong valve. 😂 I was to lazy to remove it and put it in the right position, so they got a two valves for the price of one. Oh well. Next time i pay extra attention
Thanks for showing us ALL the things that can go Wrong and do go Wrong. Something as Simple as getting Ice at a Restaurant can’t be taken for granted. 👍
"What the heck? Seriously?"
Lol. Sounds like all of us everyday.
I had a batch of 60 delay-on-make relays that was bad, Kele sent me a new set of 60, and those were also bad. They gave me back the $$$ and told me to keep them all. 🤷🏼♂️
Chris it goes to show that your Human just like the rest of us. Your the bigger man that will show the world the goofs that you make.
You didn't say "1,2,3, don't explode," and so it exploded.
Well it didn't explode, nothing happened.
@@Aa-ron01Figuratively speaking.
Thanks for the heads up, have not experienced this issue in Florida myself yet.
Yea I had one the other week the time delay went out and the contactor was roasted, pretty much brand new unit too. Gotta love it. They also had the fan blade adjusted incorrectly and it was rubbing on the shroud lol
Huge fan from the uk firstly - my company does south of uk warranty repairs for manitowoc and the fan cycle switches on the IBT units are a massive failure issue raising multiple faults, and can be intermittent. Great vids always, use for knowledge with 20+ years in field.
We got emails saying to permanently bypass that time delay and change that contactor if needed
Same in uk
I love your videos, and you do not talk very much. I like when you explain everything. Thank you your friend Paul.
That's absolutely hilarious Chris change the contactor not the relay to funny 😂
I used to work on machines after awhile you get where you know parts go out and when
Mid 80’s-mid 90’s we were the first distributor for Hoshizaki. Best ice maker ever, it had an all stainless steel evaporator with a life time warranty!
Mid 90’s to mid 2000’s we were the Scotsman distributor in our area, mostly due to the “cuber” and ice preference of bar goers. Mid 2000’s-2022 we sold, serviced, and installed Manitowoc. We turned from those when they went woke and sold out to China becoming a plastic turd.
We now push Kool Air which is truthfully the OG Manitowoc and so far have had good luck.
The warranty still sucks just as you stated. They barely cover fuel for the truck and where we are, give us “in distributor” credit only, no actual pay out.
We’ve resorted to invoicing the customer 100% the repair and giving them a blank warranty claim form to submit to the manufacture for reimbursement. I think it’s best for them to be the voice of reason after buying a brand new product that fails.
🤪😂🤨
My company, which I know own, was made from all Scotsman factory service guys. Scotsman dissolved their service department here in Southern California and our old owners bought all the service equipment, trucks etc from them and started our company in the late 90’s. You’re right about those old Hoshi’s. Great machines!
"What a year!"
" Chris it's only February..."
I had the same issue with a time delay that looks identical to that in a heatcraft condensing unit that I installed recently. Immediately it just chattered the contactor from first startup.
What is it with refrigeration contactors that they cheap out and remove a pole? Like this obvious two pole single phase with only one set of contacts, or the two contact three phase versions you see all the time? You never see that in any other industrial control systems.
I was looking at that time delay, thinking did he change that or not, the new one had more print on it.
Ever since Covid Manitowoc has struggled with quality control. They do have good customer service and warranty cover.
Estupenda información Chris y formidable diagnóstico. Excelente trabajo.
Saludos desde Coacalco Edo de México.
The Costco that I go to have manotoc ice machines on top of the soft drink dispensers
Great information to have!
HEY!
They no longer use time delays at all Per mfg. they sent a bulletin out to bypass it and order a “time- delay bypass kit” which includes a new wiring diagram to place over existing diagram without time delay.
I had one I replaced and went bad again. Hope this gets to you 👍🏽
Yeah I just got the new service bulletin and have done a few of the permanent bypasses now too
I will discuss this live on TH-cam this evening 2/5/24 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out th-cam.com/users/livezMmtv5cFyew
don't feel bad chris i have done that myself but yes it was funny
We had a load of these Manitowoc units coming with failing fan cycle switches, units with like 8kg of gas in, no chance recovering that for a switch that makes it more ˋeco friendly´😂
4:49 That wiring diagram was written for the original time delay...is the replacement time delay internally wired the same as the original one?
That's the first thing I'd check...
Then again, there's a time delay in the circuit...when you turned on the disconnect, would it not trigger the time delay and prevent the contactor from pulling in immediately?
Edit: Or you had a Brain-Fart...
Been There!
Done That!!
Burned the T-Shirt while picking up the Psychosis!!!
😄😁😆😅😂🤣
Seems like they're aware of quality issue on these...
It's a shame the supplier don't fully cover your time for the warranty call...
Big picture 👍.
How did you go about to diagnosing a bad time delay, besides seeing the burnt contractor?
I will discuss this live on TH-cam this evening 2/5/24 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out th-cam.com/users/livezMmtv5cFyew
Hate those plastic limp disconnects the wholesale houses have now, I miss the snappy metal ones.
More than time delay relay issues on those Indigos . Condenser fan cycle switches blowing up, condenser motor brackets breaking at the welds, Danfoss harvest valves sticking, Danfoss check valve restrictions . Manitowoc pays my mortgage. 🙂
They sure do have a problem. two brand new units 1 serial number off each other. were down opening day of restaurant due to the time delay
We just got an email from our supplier saying how all of those timer relays are bad and need to be swapped out
Quality control and quality products are a thing of the past. We just installed a new carrier chiller that left the factory with a liquid line that was completely bent at the 90. Bad condenser fans, phantom alarms, ....its gonna be a problematic piece of equipment.
That sounds like a mess
I’ve literally went on a warranty call to take them timers out of the circuit😂
went to a manitowoc class this wednesday and the company who made those relays had changed their way of making them. this caused issues. long story short manitowoc wants you to replace those relays with the new ones made from a different company
I know exactly what’s going on here. I had this same problem had to call support
10am, it's definitely a long day
Manitowoc is recalling all these time delays So just remove it and hook up the red to the contractor and replace the blue with yellow wire to contactor and remove that yellow wire and time block and problem solve. Eliminate that timer
I will discuss this live on TH-cam this evening 2/5/24 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out th-cam.com/users/livezMmtv5cFyew
we have replaced time delay twice in less than a year on a brand new unit we installed
More ice machine troubleshooting please, thanks!
Per factory bypass it permanently and get new schematic under warranty
Yeah I just got that new service bulletin, we have already done a few of the permanent bypasses now too. This was an older video
@@HVACRVIDEOS And guess what burns out next after a few power bumps when the compressor is running.
I will discuss this live on TH-cam this evening 2/5/24 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out th-cam.com/users/livezMmtv5cFyew
How did you put this video out while being at the symposium? 😂
Do two claims for the 4 hours plus drive time
Seems like that’s all I been running for the last 4 months is these time delay calls.
Great vid. Now if you could only get YT to stop playing these "Teddy Daniels" ads. Sheesh.
Hecho en Mexico
It WAS doing its job as designed !
MANITOWOC ICE MACHINE NOT WORKING
🤣
I think the fan was also sort cycling because the fan was turning on and off with the old timer and with the new one it not.
Fan cycles on pressure switch not time delay
I observed a mid morning brain fart - trust me, I have lot's of experience on this subject.
Can they use any less materials making that contactor? Talk about making stuff as cheap as possible. As little stamped steel as possible, coil is exposed, of course single pole on a two leg system..... I think cheap Chinese crap is better than that contactor. Of course the timer chewed it up, but just overall companies trying to save as much costs as possible in manufacturing.
Manitowac just removed all delay timers
Think you mean "asterisk" and it's not an asterisk it's an exclamation point
Your relationship with Manitowoc must not be that great, every company I've worked for bills them the hours we used a truck charge etc and any extra time for things be far away. But we usually only did the work if we were DISPATCHED from Manitowoc IE the customer called and we were an authorized provider. You can always call and get concessions from tech support too, I have done that a LOT especially with parts shortages... 'hey I have a sporlan catch all, not an Emerson filter dryer and the supply house said 7 days my customer needs ice NOW' things like that
We used to stock "choice" water valves which are the same MFG for Manitowoc water valves same QR code on the body etc etc $50 instead of $150 I would get concessions to use those instead but you HAVE to have tech support approve it. Submit your warranty parts with concession numbers and boom paid!!!!
Maybe... The back EMF from the coil, when power is released, it destroyed the solid state delay. The delay might not be protected?
Used to see that with old DC relay drivers.
Maybe they're using cheap SCRs/Triacs?
Just "armchair" guessing.
Better make sure it's not a Copeland hermetic on 410a 🤣😭😭😭😭 gotta change it to a bristol once then valves fry
Bad bad bad design
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Now I feel better. that is something I would do
LOL Airtronics Relay. shit they make RC radios. LOL