Wonder Woman went from naive and too optimistic about human nature to more knowledgeable and doubtful about humans. Carol Danvers went from powerful to more powerful and from brainwshed to... not brainwashed? That is not a very satisfying arc.
Because the sequel is gonna be called “the marvels” I have a possible character arc. She could learn to be a good teacher to Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel). She could humble herself and become a better person to help Ms. marvel become a better person. To ensure her goodness.
I'd love to see a "one punch man" style sequel to captain marvel, where the point is that she's overpowered, and in being this perfect, unstoppable force, she has to contemplate her own humanity. I know in the comics she's very morally gray, and that could be a really interesting thing to explore in a film.
@@jacobalexander9133 basically! My idea would be like the one scene in OPM season 1 where after defeating like, 4 monsters in one day, Saitama talks to himself about how, maybe in becoming so strong that nothing can ever stand up to you, you lose something essential to the human experience. You lose that ability to overcome obstacles. You lose the ability to have hope for others or hope to be better because you already ARE the best you can be. Do you focus on being a more well rounded individual? Or do you wallow in your strength? How does this affect the way you treat or inspire others, and if you can't inspire hope and strength in other people, are you even a good hero??
Then all the "fans who simply want to voice their criticism" would make a 100 videos about how Brie Larson is ratist and mouseandrist for stealing food from the very species that are responsible for bringing back half the universe. Lol
My issue with the skrulls being the villain for the sequel is that Carol was trained to fight Skrulls. She is able to figure out when someone is a Skrull by observing the environment or talking to them. But I do like the idea of a psychological powerhouse rather than a physical powerhouse as a villain, as well as pitting the avengers against her (this is also good marketing wise cause more avengers, yay!!)
There is also the issue that in the movie Skrulls are potrayed to be almost universally good and innocent victims. The logical conclusion to that would be to make it so that the Skrulls actually did start the war and that they were still a hughe threat. Maybe they by now have come together and want to make use of one of the strongest people around to use as a weapon as they continue to fight a war that ended long ago.
@@frankwest5388 I know this is an old comment, but heck, whatever. Victimized people are often some of the first people to start victimizing others once the shoe is on the other foot. That was brought up with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in Age of Ultron (everyone's FAVORITE Avengers movie) as well as Kilmonger in Black Panther. It would be easy to have a Skrull who survived the Kree purge by becoming just as ruthless as his oppressors and was unimpressed with Capt. Marvel's heel-face turn and felt that either 1: she hadn't been properly punished for her role in attempted xenocide or 2: she hadn't done enough to humble the Kree, and is out to repay the Kree's *attempted* Xenocide with *actual* Xenocide. That puts Captain Marvel in a conundrum: if she defends the Kree, then it looks like she's letting her old sympathies cloud her judgment, while if she sits back and lets [Skrull Villain X] kill a LOT of Kree civilians in reprisal, then she's basically endorsing communal punishment, which is a Bad Thing(TM).
@Dargaron Softsong This is an old comment but that the heck. I think something cool would be a Skrull holding a grudge against Captain Marvel specifically. She was essentially part of a death squad. More than one Skrull is going to hate her for that. That way, it makes more sense for the Skrull villain to attempt to destroy her reputation, because it's personal. Maybe the Star Force killed his family in the war. Maybe he just is self righteous. Part of the emotional conundrum then could be "oh shit, he's right. I killed a lot of innocents, maybe I need to atone." Maybe she fights the Skrull at first, and then maybe midway she understands the motivation, and gives in. The Avengers take her in, but the Skrull and his/her Skrull buddies have infiltrated them. One of the Avengers doesn't really believe that Captain Marvel did whatever the Skrull framed her for. They get to talking, and the Avenger helps her come to terms with her violent past. Maybe Scarlet Witch? That would make sense, considering she started on the wrong side too, and has been held hostage by the Avengers before, in Civil War Scarlet Witch breaks her out, and helps clear her name, but the Skrull escape, and the damage to Captain Marvel's reputation and relationship with the Avengers is already done. But Captain Marvel is more careful now, after having to beat the shit out of her friends and coming to terms with her dark past. Things change, she learns, and it's markedly better than the original. That's my take, but whatever.
I don't think Captain Marvel needs to be depowered, I just think she needs to be humbled in some way or called out on her questionable behavior and at least try to change for the better.
Honestly the story arc they had for her in the first movie had some good potential to set up some character development. I mean she's been lied to her whole life, fighting an enemy that turned out not to be the great evil, etc. That's the sort of thing that should spark her to be reluctant about using violence until she has the whole story. I felt like the plot of the movie was pretty good, but it needed way more character development. I mean, CM learned she was manipulated into slaughtering lots of innocents, but she didn't display any kind of guilt or remorse for it. A moral person would feel some pretty severe psychological trauma from learning they were murdering innocents. I imagine something similar to Iron Man 3 with the PTSD subplot might be nice. Hopefully they humanize her more in the sequel.
@Snehil Shrey Carol barely ever doubts herself though in fact that never getting up scene was basically showing that no matter what she kept going in fact as far as we see she has a bit of an ego so she could definitely be humbled
Honestly, I think the best direction for her character without depowering is to just keep her in space away from all the other marvel heroes and have her go against ridiculously powerfully enemies that forces her to actually to use her head in order to win. That way other films don’t have to come up with excuses to not include her, she doesn’t get nerfed, she can still grow as a character, and we can see some amazing dbz level action scenes.
@ANNOOOOOBBBBBB : Not really. I mean Thor, Hulk, Scarlet Witch were all incredibly powerful from the beginning. Scarlet Witch's initial appearance pretty much involved her nearly taking down the majority of the Avengers and eclipsing Ultron in terms of power (all in all I'd give SW the title of strongest Avenger). CM's power level really didn't strike me as being all that over-the-top. She had to power-up to take down some small-fry and some space ships. The Kree aren't exactly top tier foes, and she needed her full potential to take them on.
Her responding to most situations with violence is also a pretty strong statement about the Kree as prior to her recovering her memory, they were almost solely responsible for her worldview. She's been indoctrinated as a soldier who places the mission above all else, including collateral damage, and Ron-yogg specifically made that happen. She deserves a little credit in being bitter at him towards the end of Captain Marvel, particularly considering that while manhandling him, she doesn't kill him despite his attempts to kill her shortly prior.
@Snehil Shrey At the risk of misinterpreting a jokey joke, she's also a fighter pilot, a notoriously (for lack of a better word) "alpha" profession. I don't see anything especially inconsistent with her behavior if I imagine Maverick doing a lot of the same stuff.
As a veteran, I was taught not shoot unless I was shot at first or they're specifically wearing the uniform of an enemy combatant unless I see an indication that they're a medic or chaplain. I haven't seen her movie so Idk how her experience is, but a soldier's first instinct shouldn't be to shoot the first thing they see
@@crinsombone5380 As a veteran or as a combat arms veteran? Besides that, the Kree are not trained to respect non-combatants. That's pretty clear when you see the movie. As far as she's aware, though, she's alone in hostile territory where anyone could be a Skrull. You'd be jumpy, too.
@@NotHPotter Like I said, I didn't watch it so I don't know the extant of how she was thought. I just didn't like the implication that a soldier should be trigger happy. If she was taught to ignore collaterol damage and the lives of civilians it makes her actions more understandable
@@crinsombone5380 I did a pair of tours to Afghanistan, and while I appreciate you not wanting to let a dig at soldiers slide, you also have to admit that a certain strain of soldier adopts this mindset, and they're especially jumpy when a patrol goes wrong. The Kree are basically down with genocide, and CM is trained to basically be one of their SS. Her heroic turn doesn't actually come until very late in the movie, and even then it doesn't completely erase her training and indoctrination.
the frustration is mutual. thank you for not being an asshole about her and actually seeing ways that she can improve without being retconned or changed fundamentally. i really like carol, sue me, and i want her to be a better character in the mcu.
holtz There's nothing wrong with liking her. I found her boring and Endgame I just found her to be awkwardly placed. And I like Brie Larson as an actress. Her personal politics aside. So I am hoping she is better but really Marvel should have waited until Phase three was over with to introduce her.
yea that is the thing. People can't separate personal politics with their job, which they should if they are not a politician or something something job in politics. Brie has shown great promise in a lot of movies. Like "Room" I think it is called, there she is anthing but an emotionless shell.
YES! I want fans who has a sensible approach to a fuxking underdeveloped character. Carol is fine to me and I hope her character arc will expand better in the sequel.
One really interesting thing that could happen in Captain Marvel 2 is her accidentally murdering an innocent thinking it was a skrull or something. I think this could really influence her character.
@@TheOnlyGamingMCThe skrull are a species not a monolith, and some of them might disagree with the Skrulls she worked with before. Did you watch the video?
I'm sure someone will respond "But that was just because of Stormbreaker" but honestly, we saw Cap hold Stormbreaker temporarily. If Cap had pulled that move in Wakanda, Cap wouldn't have made it halfway through that ship. Not to say Carol isn't OP, she tanked a headbutt from Thanos like it was nothing. Peter's "I don't know how you're getting through all that." is kind of dumb in hindsight.
That's a terrific creative suggestion overall. Using her inbuilt flaws and telling the right kind of follow up story that forces her to develop and face those flaws within her. If done well, it would probably make her more compelling and relatable as well.
Recognizing those inbuilt as flaws would be the first necessary step for the writers, and that would mean dissociating themselves emotionally from their Mary Sue, so I dunno
Great video, I like that you didn't have the sequel nerfing her or introduce a "Kryptonite-like plot device" to have an intresting story for her in the sequel like most other TH-camrs are saying.
I really like these ideas and is why I think villains with powers of illusion or mind manipulation are great adversaries for physical powerhouses because not only does brute force help very little in defeating them, it can create further problems for the hero. Heroes with flaws are interesting because it means their villains have something they can use against them. A hero with a rigid moral code? A villain can use tactics that really test how far they'll go to uphold it. Hero too trigger happy? Ensure that they'll end up hurting people they love. Hero devoted slavishly to a cause? Villain can use it to manipulate them for their own ends. Carol being flawed is not a bad thing, they just need to find something to do with it.
Oh good finally a movie review channel that take time to actual critique something and not just relay on the loudest internet outrage opinion to make a video based on. I love it.
As an MCU fan, I love hearing the same joke over and over, so the return of Cheese Theft makes me very happy. (Great video by the way, I’m so grateful for the gift that is you
@Snehil Shrey She doesnt gain any confidence though, she has the same amount of confidence at the start of the movie and at the end, she just has more power Power isnt a character trait
@@munjatkumo1929 Exactly why I mentioned good direction. I had already seen Room a month before Brie got her award for it. I knew she was a good actress and I found out later in interviews for Captain Marvel that her "superhero tough guy smoldering" act was a specific direction she received from the producers and directors. It felt...odd but, I guess it made sense since Carol was brainwashed to think she was some amazing hero/warrior race. Still didn't make it any less disingenuous or weird to witness. As for good writers, I mentioned it specifically for the second movie. I want to see what they explore with the character and the new conflicts she'll face based on what's been established thus far. I didn't mind her being OP but, the way she overcame some of her problems and personal vices/judgements seemed, idk, rushed and flat? I'd love to see some of her controversial sense of justice and morality from the comics translated onto the screen because I think it would fit her current MCU version and could be an interesting concept to work with. But, that'll require good writers.
@@mrtalker2914 take away the revenge fantasy against men. Feminism for the sake of celebrating femininity like in Wonder Woman is what feminism is actually about, not the corporate travesty that is considered "feminism" nowadays.
@@Dave102693 it's spiteful and comes off as mean-spirited. Mocking a huge part of your audience is not a good way to inspire good will, especially in a big franchise. For example, Black Panther celebrates African culture, but it doesn't diminish or kick down Western culture. Instead, it promotes inclusivity and union between different cultures. Do not confuse revenge-fantasy for a revenge-driven movies like John Wick. Revenge fantasy is where a writer bashes a certain group in their story, and seeing something so mean-spirited is just a turn off.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Sure they have made good films, but what I meant to say is they don't fit the role of a superhero movie director.. Sorry if I was rude.
@Snehil Shrey I mean the Thor films took til the third movie to really start liking Thor and a lot more people started liking Dr.Strange in Infinity War
Right like, Thor started off wanting to basically commit genocide due to his warrior upbringing but fanboys just roll with it. Carol barely hurts a creep and she's literally Satan. Like, the character (and character exploration) does need to be written better in the sequel but unfortunately actual critique is muddled by double standards and just plain sexism. I hope she does grow in the sequel but unfortunately we're always going to have to deal with detractors making negative hot takes left and right over plot points they don't understand.
@@getschwifty5537 Well the main thing is that with Thor the point of the movie is showing him the error of his ways. Nobody really backs Thor's original point of view or Tony Stark back when he was a selfish arms dealer. With Captain Marvel we don't really see that acknowledgement that she's wrong initially, and indeed many are defending CM's arrogant actions as justified. What she did fits well with her being a Kree soldier, they do treat humans as lesser beings and are generally arrogant. There's nothing wrong with making her start as a villain or amoral character early on, but I just wish people would own up to it that she started out as an arrogant bitch.
@@taragnor It also seemed quite obvious when I watched CM that it was intended to instantly wedge her in as a hero that would appear in "Avengers: Endgame", the story didn't leave any space for the evolution from "arrogant and disdainfull Kree warrior" to "hero and defender of the weak and just made it a "we need her to be hero, so CM will switch instantly and that will be it". The after-credits scene with the pager was possibly the most redundant one so far, in context of CM being wedged in so closely between the release of "Avengers: Infinity War" and "Avengers: Endgame" as there was zero reason for this "Captain Marvel" movie to exist except to (barely) establish her as part of the MCU.
@@getschwifty5537 the thing is when Thor was going to commit genocide he was confronted by Odin and took all of his power away and through out Thor 1 he grows more humanized and at the end of thor 1 he is once again worthy the Thor you see at the beginning of the movie is completely different from the Thor you see at the end of the movie but with captain marvel she has never been confronted about her flaws by anybody as of yet.
but she doesn't grow. She uses that very same mentality to defeat the bad guy at the end. I fear your interpretation is better than what the movie is telling. If that was just her training and something the writers see as a flaw she wouldn't do it at the end when there was no need.
Jay in Infinity War we see Thor flying through ships with his axe but in End Game he’s nerfed so I can see why he couldn’t. But yeah Cheese thief is the most powerful now.
She's only most powerful because the movie wanted to her to be. It's kind of like just pointing at a random person, saying they are now most powerful, then having them do shit to show it. It's not believable.
I think the big issue is a flawed character is great, especially when those flaws are addressed. My issue is I think the filmmakers dont see her as flawed, and those violent scenes are meant to be "badass". If they dont view it this way, then a chance of a sequel using those elements is non-existent.
A problem a lot of the MCU has is a blatant disregard for collateral damage, so it would be pretty neat if the one character capable of creating the most of it was the one who addressed that issue. There's a lot of mileage they could get out of exploring the existential questions that someone as powerful as Captain Marvel existing raises.
This sounds interesting but I want to put in my idea take some inspiration from one punch man and other characters overpowered like dr. Manhattan Lucifer Morningstar Superman the beyonder
On the one hand, something definitely doesn't have to be flawless to be enjoyed. On the other, if you enjoy something that isn't harming anybody, you shouldn't have to talk about the flaws in it. That's not to say you should entirely ignore them. It's good to acknowledge them. You just shouldn't have to throw your hands up and yell out that the thing is flawed every time you mention that you enjoy it. Your enjoyment for it isn't hurting anyone or anything, so you don't have to justify it to anyone.
@@TheTheninjagummybear But I enjoy talking about flaws in the media I consume. Especially for content that I personally enjoy. I thrive on that analysis and criticism in order to enjoy most things. Such was especially the case for Captain Marvel, I didn't really enjoy it UNTIL I started talking about it critically and looking at its flaws along with it's future potential and possibilities. I love turning off my brain as much as the next guy for an action-packed movie but, sometimes there are action movies that feel mediocre as you watch them when you do that.
@iPaused Honestly, I enjoy talking about the flaws in movies which I enjoy, or about the flaws in movies which are in one way or another an interesting failure. I usually try to avoid harping on about media I know a huge chunk of other people did enjoy, even if I don't see the appeal, because "it is just not for me" is a thing. And that is NOT about "turning off your brain", it is about acknowledging that some people like other stuff than other people.
@@swanpride Yes, I totally agree. As for the "turning off my brain" bit, that's just something personal for me because sometimes I get overly stressed with running thoughts(I have diagnosed anxiety) so, I find it to be relieving when I'm not constantly worrying about my analyzing DURING a movie. It's a good break of escapism and can help me enjoy myself by focusing on something visually stimulating(like action movies). It wasn't my intention to make it sound like I was trying to discredit other people's taste/enjoyment in certain movies. I apologize, that's my bad for the terrible wording.
@@toptextbottomtext2373 It's a hamster you son of bitch. A GOD DAM HAMSTER. Also "meet my pet met 2". Now piss off before l delete your roblox account kid.
Having the cruelty of Captain Marvel written as a weakness resulting from Kree training is a perfect way to make her better, especially if she does something to move past it as a challenge. Great video Jay
I mean, she doesn't even permanently damage or kill Yon-Rogg, who she found out was lying to her and manipulating her the whole time into furthering an attempted Skrull genocide (kinda as villainous as you can get). Why would you think a character who spares someone like Yon-Rogg would go around attacking her allies?
I thought the first movie was pretty great! It did have it's problems and Captain Marvel wasn't the strongest character, but I still enjoyed it and I'm excited for a sequel
1:35 they weren’t going for a joke, it was because she had been trained by the Kree and probably brainwashed into thinking that on unknown planets her first move should be attack
dude i honestly didn't think captain marvel was that bad when i saw it for the first time and i still think it's an enjoyable movie but your videos on it have Made Me Think......... why is your content so genuinely good Please you're so underrated :(
I think those character flaws you mentioned are why the more positive film fans like me enjoyed the movie, she feels like a genuine person I've met. I also think another reason why I liked it the same reason I love videos like this, instead of bullshit deconstructions that call flaws in this movie 'fatal' that are present in every other MCU film: There is S O much potential for her character and story. But thank you for an actual conversation and analysis of her character and movie, it's really appreciated from someone who's a fan of this movie :)
The sad thing about a lot of properties is that the character has a lot of potential but the people using the character can make it bad. I said this for Batwoman and I’ll say it here.
Another really good video. I originally thought that a way to make a good Captain Marvel sequel would be by making it similar in tone to CBS/CW's Supergirl, except this video reminded me that just because Brie Larson reminds me of Kara Zor-El/Supergirl (on her better days, anyway) doesn't mean that Captain Marvel is like her, and that Supergirl would never do most of the things that Captain Marvel doss in her movie. I hope that some people at Marvel Studios can find this video, because even though the usage of clips from the Brie Larson Wired video and one of her interviews in a semi-ironic way might make people at Marvel write it off as another "hater" video, it has several points that Marvel should consider if they want Captain Marvel as a character to be liked by a large majority of people and not just a technical majority.
I actually really enjoyed the film, but I respect your opinion. I did see the problems with her character, but story overall was really interesting and I had a fun time watching the film
7:26 damnit I thought you would say loki and give us an elaborate explanation about a) why he isn't dead and b) why he would make a great captain marvel villain :(
@@LlamaKing9000 the whole point of it is other ppl fave moments and perceptions of it. the creator literally said if theres a moment u want to speak about then do it whether other ppl agree or not
I liked captain marvel... IS THIS A PERSONAL ATTACK OR SOMETHING???!??!!!!!?!??!? (Seriously though even though I like captain marvel I do admit it has flaws. (Quite a few it them.))
Everything has flaws so enjoying something that has a few flaws isn't bad Hecks people love the room it's a cult classic and considered the worst movie ever made
Same tbh. I mean, it wasn’t perfect, but there were a lot of charming elements that can be salvaged. It’s like Thor The Dark World. Kinda boring, but we all love the Loki scenes now don’t we?
Considering that Thor made Stormbreaker himself, I don't think it counts as something that makes him more powerful than he really is. It's like saying Stark's armour makes him more powerful than he really is.
@@Carabas72 Stark's armor DOES make him more powerful... It's like saying that a gun does not make a man more powerful just because he made it himself. It's stupid.
here’s another reason why depowering carol will make for the least interesting character developments ever, same could be said about steve - if you take away the serum he will still remain a good person who will always do the right thing. that was the reason he got his powers in the first place, so if you take them away he won’t really change as a character. and carol’s character at her core is someone who’s always chasing the better version of herself, and she was that before she got her powers, trying to prove to everyone that she could reach higher, first to her dad, then to the military, the kree, and yon-rogg. carol showed growth after she realized that she kinda doesn’t need to prove sht to them, but that didn’t change who she was at her core, just changed her motivation. as this video said, she can continue to improve herself and overcome obstacles, and having these powers would only make it more interesting. not a single conflict in a good superhero movie didn’t get solved by simply answering a question who’s stronger than who, so i don’t really get complaints about how she’s too op or whatever. ppl say that she’s too strong to be interesting and in the same sentence scream that thor/thanos/wanda etc would totally kick her ass like which is it 🙄
I think the key to a good sequel is a villain that both poses a threat to her and whom she sympathizes with. Cue, Michael Korvac. The Earth's Mightiest Heroes Version. Just imagine, she finds Korvac in the ruins of a Kree facility, he tells her about the experiments they did on him, they bond a bit. But through his violent and torturous tendencies, she feels sorry for the Kree and saves them from him.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Could still work with Korvac if she sees how miserable and broken those experiments made him. This version still has good in him, but also unbelievable rage. Think reboot Broly.
Video: Comment section: is that like a personal attack or something? Me: nah, I’m not gonna get mad about him saying this film was rubbish but something good could be done with the character. Those are my exact opinions. Video: Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2. By no means am I saying this is perfect, but- Me: is that like a personal attack or something?
I will admit I didn’t think it could be done, but you came up with an intriguing idea for a sequel that is much better than everything else I have heard and I would love to see it
Hey, Thor did the same kind of property destruction, and they cut the scene where he replaces that lady's cup. They could do something good with that. Like, the person who actually destroyed Thanos was the human and it wasn't the super suit that did it. It would actually be great to have her feel that she needs to take over the Avengers, for a good reason (to honor what he did and protect earth), but just like Thor she needs to actually bond with people and get over that 'I have all this power and I couldn't stop the big threat when I had to'. And I think its a great set up (if they do it right) to have her be the new 'Captain', but Steve's strength has never actually been his physical strength. And they seemed to be hinting at her relationship with Rhodey, and having him be her wing man explaining why no, you can't blow up a bank robber, would be hilarious ( and not in that 'guy is the reason she changes' way, they can have her learn that on her own, hell even from Pepper. But nobody can deny that Rhodey reacting to things like casually blowing up juke boxes wouldn't be hilarious)
I'm totally on board with this. Part of the reason why I didn't like Captain Marvel was that *Cheese Theft* is a trigger-happy super-weapon with very little regard for who is hurt or what is damaged in service of her goal. Because she's so powerful and so willing to use that power, any story where she's physically challenged would need to nerf her, because otherwise she would just punch it until she won. A far more compelling story would be one where she is challenged mentally and philosophically, especially if her trigger-happiness was the focus for her growth (with some better teamwork/cooperation abilities sprinkled in too).
@Thor Odinson Wow you must be so bored that you are talking shit to random people who slightly show any postive affection to Brie Larson. Wow you're such a sad bandwagon shit talker .
My biggest issue with Captain Marvel was how everyone keeps telling her to control her emotions and what but for most of the movie she’s just stone faced. Plus, she is just a bit too powerful, like, at least Thor had a whole arc to discover his true power. Just a thought really.
Captain marvel had the momentum to destroy the ships whilst thanos ship got the drop on thor and he was inside when thanos showed up. If you look at the post credit scene of ragnarok thanos ship is very close to thors. We also dont know what type of weapons thanos used to incapacitate thors ship and everyone on board when he got them completely by surprise. He may have even used the power stone. Also thor needs his hammer to fly, which he didn't have so even if he wanted to destroy thanos ship he wouldn't have been able to.
It takes place in the 90s lol And I think Captain Marvel is just one of those characters that just doesn't age unless it's shown onscreen, like how Thor is over 1000 years old but only gets character development in the movies he's in (despite him living for 1000 years before that)
So, for CM2 to be good, we need: Character Development via a Character-driven plot. Not "Okay we need a female-led film and to appease the fans who have been crying out for it, just... go nuts, doesn't matter, they'll lap it up". between this and Film Perfections' video about Tony Stark having been basically a villain at the start of his first film (which CM basically is at the start of her first film, but the difference, aside from level of writing and acting and a whole host of other things is that the in the first Iron Man film, Tony Stark is BASICALLY presented as such without naration going 'yeah he's a villain here' versus CM's film treating her as a hero from the start, thinking she is ala her its-in-the-trailer line to Fury about being a Noble Warrior Hero, the scene being from BEFORE the revelation that actually no, the Skrulls are trying to escape persecution by the xenophobic Kree, and her changing sides it's a CHARACTER DRIVEN thing but 'OH was I helping the wrong side? ... Okay I'll help you now, my new bestie!') That's the thing with CM: We could have been given the same plot and same character trait-handling angles as Iron Man 1 - He ended that film still as a narcissist with a huge ego, otherwise he'd have kept the 'IM is a bodyguard, I was on a yacht at the time' coverstory. Both films, the Main characters Titular "Hero name" start on the wrong side, have a wake-up call about it, and end the film turning around and saying 'no I wont do this bad thing'. They both are held captive, and have personal betrayals from those they trust (Stane and Yon-Rogg) and they both have deep character flaws that aren't solved by the end of the film. Yet IM is loved and CM is hated because of how they were written getting there. Tony has a developing friendship with Yensin, only to suffer his loss, while Carol has a developing friendship with Fury, who... doesn't die in that film. We're supposed to believe that the Skrulls she helps also take that slot, but they can't because unlike the Skrulls to Carol, Yensin wasn't Tony's enemy, but a fellow captive, and in tony's debut, he doesn't have the "my enemies are actually good guys", instead it was "the people I built weapons to help were killed by those weapons, because the bad guys who are the bad guys and not good guys and they are terrorists who aren't motivated by the fact the US invaded their lands (but the other way around) somehow got hands on my weapons. So... making weapons is the thing that I need to change my stance on. CM didn't handle the fact that she'd been fighting and presumably killing refugees, nor her discovery of that fact, at all. IM did, though subtly, with, for instance, his losing his temper and blowing up the glass panes after watching the news report (while wearing a stabiliser glove), leading directly into heading to gulmira I think it was. And as for their use of violence (the specific motions, not what they were doing it for) they both do the same thing,r eally. They both shoot from their hands as their iconic attack. (Tony's repulsor blasts, and Carols... whatever those are, I think they're actually supposed to be the same thing, since she got her powers from tech developed from the tesseract and tony's arc reactor tech is implied to work similarly? I'm using the artificial element than the whole Assemble film's point of using said stuff in stark tower for the tesseract... that and visually similar - the repulsor stuff when he flies is the same - both thrust comign from feet with 'beams' from their hands.
6:05 its probably because the nerfed thor to make captain america and captain marvel look stronger. If they kept thors power level the same as Infinty War. He would have destroyed the ship.
I mean...I get the concept "jokey jokes with no substance or plot mechanic are bad"...which I agree with...but I also think her being overly hostile, the same with her lack of personality, come from her warrior training while she was a part of the Kree...she was in an elite battalion that went in...killed shit...and left. That was all of her life as far as she knew. I think it's part of her character she will develop out of and is intentionally placed as a problem to be surmounted as we see the character. The same with her lack of personality getting better as we moved further into her reaccessing her memories...overall...I feel like a lot of people didn't give Captain Marvel the benefit of the doubt and seemed to look for mistakes in the movie instead of seeing them as mistakes of the character as part of exposition. I think her main problems going forward: Being only 1 person but wanting to take on galactic problems (people dieing and losing when she isn't there because she needs to be on all fronts at all times...which is impossible), problems outside of something you can shoot down with lazers (aka, infrastructure, politics, hunger) and so much more. I don't think giving her a weakness in battle will somehow make her a better character...it's not allowing her abilities as a fighter actually matter that will make her interesting and give her challenges. This isn't a Superman movie franchise where all the problems can be punched away and he just needs to punch them when kryptonite isn't around.
When talking about the deleted scene (that you show OVER and OVER) you speak of how the writers thought that was in character for her. But what you fail to mention, fail to recognize, it seems, is that the director and editor didn’t think it was in character, and that’s why it’s a deleted scene. It’s “on the cutting room floor,” and that means that you shouldn’t use it to analyze anything. It’s presence in your video may feel to you as if it makes sense and belongs, but in reality, it makes this video highly flawed.
No, it is still well within her character and the fact it was removed as an after thought doesn't change that. It fits with all the other actions she took and therefore is within her character.
It wasn't removed as an afterthought, it was removed because they obviously felt that her being a little bit more sneaky about stealing the motorbike fits her character better than throwing in another 1990s reference….you do know that this is what the scene is about right? That they deliberately recreated the moment from Terminator 2 as an Hommage? It was not created with her character in mind in the first place. There is also a huge difference between shooting a cardboard in a high stress situation (she has just escaped from captivity at that point) or shooting some random thing in the background and attacking someone physically. I mean, apparently her energy beams aren't even deadly or at least don't have to be, because Yon-Rogg survives getting hit with one just fine.
@@swanpride "they obviously felt that her being a little bit more sneaky about stealing the motorbike fits her character better" and how do you KNOW it's that rather than any of the other possible reasons they'd remove that scene?
Oh, I don't doubt that better pacing has played a role, too. As well as the fact that it didn't add anything worthwhile to the story. But the point is that it was removed, hence it is just as irrelevant as any other deleted scene outside of "was this a good decision or not". For the record, I think it was a good decision for multiple reasons, one being that you should never put pointless references over the story. For similar reasons, they should have removed the taco scenes from Endgame: Funny, but pointless in a movie which was already pretty long and could have used more time on more important themes. Just like "I am Legend" doesn't suddenly get better because there is an alternative end which actually pays off what was set-up beforehand and is somewhat closer to the source material. The only thing important is what actually makes it in the movie. Deleted scenes CAN be considered optional canon if they were cut for time and don't contradict anything which happened in canon, but in this case, the scene wasn't just cut, it was replaced by something else. Hence the movie has to be judged by the scene which actually made it in the movie. Because that is intellectual honest. That you aren't able to make this very basic distinction tells me that you got pulled in at least to a certain degree by the outrage culture surrounding Captain Marvel. And, btw, it is kind of funny that the plot you suggest for the sequel is basically the plot of the first one.
PERHAPS it is within her character to be this way, but using a deleted scene as proof of anything is bad form, and borderline improper for any movie analysis. You may not realize it, and you may not think of yourself this way, but by passing yourself off as someone who is analyzing media, it SHOULD be in your wheelhouse to do it properly. Yeah, you’re not a journalist, but to some degree, you behave as an entertainment reporter (imagine if Roger Ebert used deleted scenes in his reviews,) and it just makes you look bad to use deleted scenes to prove an opinion as if its fact.
When Upnext gets mad of you so you think “Ah I should come up with some original content then say flerkining on cinemasins or watchmojo. Completely joking. All of your videos are amazeballs
Sure it's possible to make an interresting sequel, if you actually aknowledge negative character traits, but let's be honest. That's not very likeley, is it?
@Snehil Shrey Lack of self-confidence? She's incredibly cocky. If anything, her flaw would be arrogance, much like Tony Stark. In Endgame, she pretty much thinks she's the deciding factor in beating Thanos where the entire Avengers team failed. That's definitely not a character lacking self-confidence.
If doctor strange wanted to he makes a portal and sends the ship to a different dimension. And if you’re gonna say why didn’t he do it then, it’s because he saw the futures that they won and in the only one they did he didn’t do that.
I think that you come up with some good point and ideas in this video, BUT there is one flaw when you talk about the deleted scene: Captain Marvel ISN’T a superhero at this point in the story. She is still the brainwashed kree warrior and doesn’t give a fuck about humans cause she hasn’t realized what she is doing is wrong yet.
To everybody saying don’t make a sequel:haha your so funny and original. Now back to the topic of the video I actually see this as a great idea in the in the comics her whole weakness is her pride in her self and how she sees herself.My main guess is that they are probably setting that up with the first movie and are going to expand on how that makes her weak.I feel as though they might introduce a new alien race that would manipulate her as the skrulls are more personal to her.Brie Larson is a good cast for the character most of the people who complain about her are not actually fans of marvel they just took something she said out of context and wanted to find another women with feminist beliefs to be triggered by and attack for her ideas.I’m not even a huge fan of hers like that but I like the character I just the people attacking Brie as childish.
Joel Miller I’m saying it was funny sarcastically.I don’t agree with the people who are commenting that and that’s why I’m telling my opinion on the matter.
If Loki comes back I’d love to see her against him in some way. Or, epic he doesn’t they could do a prequel to Endgame for her which would make sense in character because she basically didn’t have one in that movie
Imagine this: Captain marvel is with Nick Fury and the Skrull refugees on their giant ship, where they have been working and even living together for about 30 years. While making an attack on a Kree station, they come across another another group of skrulls who have also been travelling throughout the galaxy attempting to liberate fellow Skrulls and take revenge on the Kree. But - plot twist - this group was started by Skrulls that are the sole survivors of a devastating attack on a Skrull settlement carried out by Starforce, and the leader in particular lost a loved one at the hands of Carol Danvers herself. This inevitably brings up old scars and a lot of guilt for her, and challenges the reckless Kree warrior side of her as she struggles with her humanity. What’s more is that, although there are probably a bunch of Kree she can just blow up or whatever on the side, this is a threat that she can’t just punch through because the Skrulls are the people that she has dedicated her life to protecting. She is at least partly responsible for the situation of the opposing Skrull group and any antagonistic actions toward her are kind of valid, meaning that to strike out in violence just makes her the villain that the Kree tried to make her. You could absolutely use the idea of trickery and ruined trust that Jay touched upon in his video, but I feel that making her face a threat that is emotional and diplomatic rather than just powerful or physical would really test her character and dwelling on those negative feelings of guilt could give her a much, much needed sense of dimension. Seeing her as a real hero and possibly even uniter of the Skrull people feels so much more meaningful to me than just seeing her as a powerhouse who saved the day by showing up.
My favorite things about your videos is giggling picturing how skinny you are with such a deep manly voice. But seriously your content is great and you seem cool.
This is good, and I'm with you on a lot of these aspects (Carol being trigger-happy can be used by a future writer, Carol can face issues that require solutions other than full violence), but I disagree that Skrulls should be the baddies for the sequel. I think Marvel was trying to draw a link between Skrulls and immigrants (A group accused of infiltration and ruining everything they come into contact with, but maybe the real bad guy was the ultra-nationalist propaganda-producers all along). While yes, Skrulls are not a monolith, and we could easily have bad Skrulls, I think it'd be confusing for audiences, and more importantly, amend that last theme with "Except some of them are totally bad, and the propaganda was right", which I don't imagine Disney will want to happen.
6:37 "What if a villain were to say feed her false information and tricked her to attacking something that they wanted her to attack" This is literally what the Kree do in Captain Marvel. This is the plot of the movie...
Also, it is pretty clear that the Terminator like scene was originally filmed because, well, they wanted to throw in another 1990s reference. So I don't think that it says anything about Carol and way more about the obsession of this movie with 1990s nostalgia. I mean there is a reason why they didn't use this scene and instead have Carol being more sneaky about stealing the bike. The scene is better paced that way, but also, it fits her character better.
Great assessment. The best villains are ones that can manipulate their enemies psychologically. Big punchy spectacles are fun and all but when you have an incredibly powerful character it's more interesting to see them challenged mentally than physically. The easy thing would be to introduce a more powerful villain but the smart thing to do would be to introduce someone who can emotionally torment the character. Let's hope the sequel doesn't go the easy route.
I do love your idea and it would also be interesting to see a Marvel villian who can actually challenge her physically as well. The Marvel Universe are filled with many powerful characters.
She should go through a character arc... like ANY character arc would help.
Wonder Woman went from naive and too optimistic about human nature to more knowledgeable and doubtful about humans. Carol Danvers went from powerful to more powerful and from brainwshed to... not brainwashed? That is not a very satisfying arc.
Her character is that she’s perfect who tf gives a shit about her
I feel like recovering from amnesia is a character arc. Not a particularly novel one, but its a character arc.
@@Eldudiogrande •_•
Because the sequel is gonna be called “the marvels” I have a possible character arc.
She could learn to be a good teacher to Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel).
She could humble herself and become a better person to help Ms. marvel become a better person. To ensure her goodness.
I'd love to see a "one punch man" style sequel to captain marvel, where the point is that she's overpowered, and in being this perfect, unstoppable force, she has to contemplate her own humanity. I know in the comics she's very morally gray, and that could be a really interesting thing to explore in a film.
I agree it is an amazing idea. It would be similar to BlackBolt's ability to destroy things
@@jacobalexander9133 basically! My idea would be like the one scene in OPM season 1 where after defeating like, 4 monsters in one day, Saitama talks to himself about how, maybe in becoming so strong that nothing can ever stand up to you, you lose something essential to the human experience. You lose that ability to overcome obstacles. You lose the ability to have hope for others or hope to be better because you already ARE the best you can be. Do you focus on being a more well rounded individual? Or do you wallow in your strength? How does this affect the way you treat or inspire others, and if you can't inspire hope and strength in other people, are you even a good hero??
And then give her some sort of Boros to battle.
@@brolyonsome3963 Titanus! He's a extremely powerful Captain Marvel villian, and I think he would be a perfect villian will the sequel.
Unfortunately that would run counter to Disney's "women are wonderful trope".
Brie Larson steals cheese in Captain Marvel 2
Then all the "fans who simply want to voice their criticism" would make a 100 videos about how Brie Larson is ratist and mouseandrist for stealing food from the very species that are responsible for bringing back half the universe. Lol
mouseandrist
Ratist
she steals? no dignity
Micesogyny
Internal conflict, not external conflict.
It's easy as that.
My issue with the skrulls being the villain for the sequel is that Carol was trained to fight Skrulls. She is able to figure out when someone is a Skrull by observing the environment or talking to them. But I do like the idea of a psychological powerhouse rather than a physical powerhouse as a villain, as well as pitting the avengers against her (this is also good marketing wise cause more avengers, yay!!)
There is also the issue that in the movie Skrulls are potrayed to be almost universally good and innocent victims. The logical conclusion to that would be to make it so that the Skrulls actually did start the war and that they were still a hughe threat. Maybe they by now have come together and want to make use of one of the strongest people around to use as a weapon as they continue to fight a war that ended long ago.
@@frankwest5388 I know this is an old comment, but heck, whatever.
Victimized people are often some of the first people to start victimizing others once the shoe is on the other foot. That was brought up with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in Age of Ultron (everyone's FAVORITE Avengers movie) as well as Kilmonger in Black Panther. It would be easy to have a Skrull who survived the Kree purge by becoming just as ruthless as his oppressors and was unimpressed with Capt. Marvel's heel-face turn and felt that either 1: she hadn't been properly punished for her role in attempted xenocide or 2: she hadn't done enough to humble the Kree, and is out to repay the Kree's *attempted* Xenocide with *actual* Xenocide. That puts Captain Marvel in a conundrum: if she defends the Kree, then it looks like she's letting her old sympathies cloud her judgment, while if she sits back and lets [Skrull Villain X] kill a LOT of Kree civilians in reprisal, then she's basically endorsing communal punishment, which is a Bad Thing(TM).
@Dargaron Softsong This is an old comment but that the heck. I think something cool would be a Skrull holding a grudge against Captain Marvel specifically. She was essentially part of a death squad. More than one Skrull is going to hate her for that. That way, it makes more sense for the Skrull villain to attempt to destroy her reputation, because it's personal. Maybe the Star Force killed his family in the war. Maybe he just is self righteous. Part of the emotional conundrum then could be "oh shit, he's right. I killed a lot of innocents, maybe I need to atone." Maybe she fights the Skrull at first, and then maybe midway she understands the motivation, and gives in. The Avengers take her in, but the Skrull and his/her Skrull buddies have infiltrated them. One of the Avengers doesn't really believe that Captain Marvel did whatever the Skrull framed her for. They get to talking, and the Avenger helps her come to terms with her violent past. Maybe Scarlet Witch? That would make sense, considering she started on the wrong side too, and has been held hostage by the Avengers before, in Civil War Scarlet Witch breaks her out, and helps clear her name, but the Skrull escape, and the damage to Captain Marvel's reputation and relationship with the Avengers is already done. But Captain Marvel is more careful now, after having to beat the shit out of her friends and coming to terms with her dark past. Things change, she learns, and it's markedly better than the original. That's my take, but whatever.
I don't think Captain Marvel needs to be depowered, I just think she needs to be humbled in some way or called out on her questionable behavior and at least try to change for the better.
great point you have there! (not sarcasm)
Honestly the story arc they had for her in the first movie had some good potential to set up some character development. I mean she's been lied to her whole life, fighting an enemy that turned out not to be the great evil, etc. That's the sort of thing that should spark her to be reluctant about using violence until she has the whole story. I felt like the plot of the movie was pretty good, but it needed way more character development. I mean, CM learned she was manipulated into slaughtering lots of innocents, but she didn't display any kind of guilt or remorse for it. A moral person would feel some pretty severe psychological trauma from learning they were murdering innocents. I imagine something similar to Iron Man 3 with the PTSD subplot might be nice. Hopefully they humanize her more in the sequel.
@Snehil Shrey
Carol barely ever doubts herself though in fact that never getting up scene was basically showing that no matter what she kept going in fact as far as we see she has a bit of an ego so she could definitely be humbled
Honestly, I think the best direction for her character without depowering is to just keep her in space away from all the other marvel heroes and have her go against ridiculously powerfully enemies that forces her to actually to use her head in order to win. That way other films don’t have to come up with excuses to not include her, she doesn’t get nerfed, she can still grow as a character, and we can see some amazing dbz level action scenes.
@ANNOOOOOBBBBBB : Not really. I mean Thor, Hulk, Scarlet Witch were all incredibly powerful from the beginning. Scarlet Witch's initial appearance pretty much involved her nearly taking down the majority of the Avengers and eclipsing Ultron in terms of power (all in all I'd give SW the title of strongest Avenger). CM's power level really didn't strike me as being all that over-the-top. She had to power-up to take down some small-fry and some space ships. The Kree aren't exactly top tier foes, and she needed her full potential to take them on.
Her responding to most situations with violence is also a pretty strong statement about the Kree as prior to her recovering her memory, they were almost solely responsible for her worldview. She's been indoctrinated as a soldier who places the mission above all else, including collateral damage, and Ron-yogg specifically made that happen. She deserves a little credit in being bitter at him towards the end of Captain Marvel, particularly considering that while manhandling him, she doesn't kill him despite his attempts to kill her shortly prior.
@Snehil Shrey At the risk of misinterpreting a jokey joke, she's also a fighter pilot, a notoriously (for lack of a better word) "alpha" profession. I don't see anything especially inconsistent with her behavior if I imagine Maverick doing a lot of the same stuff.
As a veteran, I was taught not shoot unless I was shot at first or they're specifically wearing the uniform of an enemy combatant unless I see an indication that they're a medic or chaplain. I haven't seen her movie so Idk how her experience is, but a soldier's first instinct shouldn't be to shoot the first thing they see
@@crinsombone5380 As a veteran or as a combat arms veteran? Besides that, the Kree are not trained to respect non-combatants. That's pretty clear when you see the movie. As far as she's aware, though, she's alone in hostile territory where anyone could be a Skrull. You'd be jumpy, too.
@@NotHPotter Like I said, I didn't watch it so I don't know the extant of how she was thought. I just didn't like the implication that a soldier should be trigger happy. If she was taught to ignore collaterol damage and the lives of civilians it makes her actions more understandable
@@crinsombone5380 I did a pair of tours to Afghanistan, and while I appreciate you not wanting to let a dig at soldiers slide, you also have to admit that a certain strain of soldier adopts this mindset, and they're especially jumpy when a patrol goes wrong. The Kree are basically down with genocide, and CM is trained to basically be one of their SS. Her heroic turn doesn't actually come until very late in the movie, and even then it doesn't completely erase her training and indoctrination.
the frustration is mutual. thank you for not being an asshole about her and actually seeing ways that she can improve without being retconned or changed fundamentally. i really like carol, sue me, and i want her to be a better character in the mcu.
They should just transfer her powers to a better actress. And that would be a perfect opportunity to introduce Rogue from x-men.
Piro Man wrong. you arent seeing rogue for a LONG time. even then, a sequel is very probable within the time span
holtz There's nothing wrong with liking her. I found her boring and Endgame I just found her to be awkwardly placed. And I like Brie Larson as an actress. Her personal politics aside. So I am hoping she is better but really Marvel should have waited until Phase three was over with to introduce her.
yea that is the thing. People can't separate personal politics with their job, which they should if they are not a politician or something something job in politics. Brie has shown great promise in a lot of movies. Like "Room" I think it is called, there she is anthing but an emotionless shell.
YES! I want fans who has a sensible approach to a fuxking underdeveloped character. Carol is fine to me and I hope her character arc will expand better in the sequel.
One really interesting thing that could happen in Captain Marvel 2 is her accidentally murdering an innocent thinking it was a skrull or something. I think this could really influence her character.
@Trap Money Brodie Cool reminder that captain marvel has never killed an innocent
but shes with the skrulls now, did u watch the movie?
@@TheOnlyGamingMCThe skrull are a species not a monolith, and some of them might disagree with the Skrulls she worked with before. Did you watch the video?
But Thor did destroy ships in infinity war at the Battle of Wakanda
I'm sure someone will respond "But that was just because of Stormbreaker" but honestly, we saw Cap hold Stormbreaker temporarily. If Cap had pulled that move in Wakanda, Cap wouldn't have made it halfway through that ship.
Not to say Carol isn't OP, she tanked a headbutt from Thanos like it was nothing. Peter's "I don't know how you're getting through all that." is kind of dumb in hindsight.
That was a drop ship though 🤔
Also the thing with the ship happened after Thor had his axe shoved into his chest
Ya I think the main problem is people just don't like her as a character the op part is just icing on the cake
Caleb Peterson I mean I’m no fan of her character she irks me just a little kinda like Stark did before Civil War.
That's a terrific creative suggestion overall. Using her inbuilt flaws and telling the right kind of follow up story that forces her to develop and face those flaws within her. If done well, it would probably make her more compelling and relatable as well.
Recognizing those inbuilt as flaws would be the first necessary step for the writers, and that would mean dissociating themselves emotionally from their Mary Sue, so I dunno
How dare you criticize Brie Larson! Also, how dare you admit Brie Larson could be used for good.
Snehil Shrey
The joke
Your head
yes ! thank veeery much !
@Snehil Shrey r/whoosh
@Snehil Shrey 8====B
I’m gonna criticize everyone and it’ll make me look smart.
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Great video, I like that you didn't have the sequel nerfing her or introduce a "Kryptonite-like plot device" to have an intresting story for her in the sequel like most other TH-camrs are saying.
The Mad Titan yeah that’s a stupid idea😅
@@gracekim1998 Not necessarily you could still challenge her in ways without making her weaker for no in-universe reason.
@@themadtitan7603 Father they will not fail you.
I really like these ideas and is why I think villains with powers of illusion or mind manipulation are great adversaries for physical powerhouses because not only does brute force help very little in defeating them, it can create further problems for the hero.
Heroes with flaws are interesting because it means their villains have something they can use against them. A hero with a rigid moral code? A villain can use tactics that really test how far they'll go to uphold it. Hero too trigger happy? Ensure that they'll end up hurting people they love. Hero devoted slavishly to a cause? Villain can use it to manipulate them for their own ends.
Carol being flawed is not a bad thing, they just need to find something to do with it.
Beautifully put
Oh good finally a movie review channel that take time to actual critique something and not just relay on the loudest internet outrage opinion to make a video based on.
I love it.
Dark Chocolate Gamer he ain’t perfect, but he’s leagues better than the opposition.
"consider this my 'one marvelous scene' video, because I'm never making one of those"
I don't often laugh out loud.
This got me
Ngl I didn't get this. Why doesn't he want to make one?
@@narakarrarr6191 because he's black
As an MCU fan, I love hearing the same joke over and over, so the return of Cheese Theft makes me very happy.
(Great video by the way, I’m so grateful for the gift that is you
cheese theft=brie larceny?
@@chucheeness7817 yep
Ha! Cheese theft makes you grate-ful.
Ha! Cheese theft makes you grate-ful.
It could be a really good flaw, but they haven't treated it as a flaw yet, if they do treat it as a flaw, I think it'll be interesting
@Snehil Shrey her being nerfed powerwise has nothing to do with her character
@Snehil Shrey She doesnt gain any confidence though, she has the same amount of confidence at the start of the movie and at the end, she just has more power
Power isnt a character trait
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7. Brie Larson gone
8. Good writers and direction.
@@ai_sight 9. No SJW and Feminism.
10. Just end the MCTU.
@@munjatkumo1929 Exactly why I mentioned good direction. I had already seen Room a month before Brie got her award for it. I knew she was a good actress and I found out later in interviews for Captain Marvel that her "superhero tough guy smoldering" act was a specific direction she received from the producers and directors. It felt...odd but, I guess it made sense since Carol was brainwashed to think she was some amazing hero/warrior race. Still didn't make it any less disingenuous or weird to witness.
As for good writers, I mentioned it specifically for the second movie. I want to see what they explore with the character and the new conflicts she'll face based on what's been established thus far. I didn't mind her being OP but, the way she overcame some of her problems and personal vices/judgements seemed, idk, rushed and flat? I'd love to see some of her controversial sense of justice and morality from the comics translated onto the screen because I think it would fit her current MCU version and could be an interesting concept to work with. But, that'll require good writers.
@@munjatkumo1929 if you didnt see the movie then sit down and shut the fxcc up
A good sequel would be if her character her actions had consequences, and then she is left to consider those actions.
Wait, so that dude who trained her isn't actually called Youngledore?
“I understood that reference”
Boooo
Youngledore, that was funny.
Nobody:
Jay: cHeEsE tHeFt
I really like the idea of her being loose cannon and overly cocky, i hope they embrace that for future cpt marvel movies
So basically keep everything, just change the focus of the story.
More like take away feminism
@@mrtalker2914 take away the revenge fantasy against men. Feminism for the sake of celebrating femininity like in Wonder Woman is what feminism is actually about, not the corporate travesty that is considered "feminism" nowadays.
@@runbaa9285 what's wrong with revenge fantasy?
@@Dave102693 it's spiteful and comes off as mean-spirited. Mocking a huge part of your audience is not a good way to inspire good will, especially in a big franchise. For example, Black Panther celebrates African culture, but it doesn't diminish or kick down Western culture. Instead, it promotes inclusivity and union between different cultures.
Do not confuse revenge-fantasy for a revenge-driven movies like John Wick. Revenge fantasy is where a writer bashes a certain group in their story, and seeing something so mean-spirited is just a turn off.
Taka Baruna even if revenge fantasy is used against cancerous sjw’s will it still be cancerous?
Captain Marvel 2: Needs A Better Writer & Director (Coming from a Captain Marvel Fan) cuz the the directors of CM1 weren't great (not to be rude.
Or at least LESS writers, the director's have made good movies in the past.
@Snehil Shrey someone's a bit negative
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Sure they have made good films, but what I meant to say is they don't fit the role of a superhero movie director.. Sorry if I was rude.
@Snehil Shrey
I mean the Thor films took til the third movie to really start liking Thor and a lot more people started liking Dr.Strange in Infinity War
@Snehil Shrey Who said the first movie didn't make me like her? I like kinda "flawed" heroes.
"..and turns them against each other from the inside"
*shows the infamous interview clips*
Aaaand u just got yourself a new sub
Most of her memories are as a kree warrior. They are arrogant pricks so it makes sense. She can grow like Thor did over a series of movies
Right like, Thor started off wanting to basically commit genocide due to his warrior upbringing but fanboys just roll with it. Carol barely hurts a creep and she's literally Satan.
Like, the character (and character exploration) does need to be written better in the sequel but unfortunately actual critique is muddled by double standards and just plain sexism.
I hope she does grow in the sequel but unfortunately we're always going to have to deal with detractors making negative hot takes left and right over plot points they don't understand.
@@getschwifty5537 Well the main thing is that with Thor the point of the movie is showing him the error of his ways. Nobody really backs Thor's original point of view or Tony Stark back when he was a selfish arms dealer. With Captain Marvel we don't really see that acknowledgement that she's wrong initially, and indeed many are defending CM's arrogant actions as justified. What she did fits well with her being a Kree soldier, they do treat humans as lesser beings and are generally arrogant. There's nothing wrong with making her start as a villain or amoral character early on, but I just wish people would own up to it that she started out as an arrogant bitch.
@@taragnor It also seemed quite obvious when I watched CM that it was intended to instantly wedge her in as a hero that would appear in "Avengers: Endgame", the story didn't leave any space for the evolution from "arrogant and disdainfull Kree warrior" to "hero and defender of the weak and just made it a "we need her to be hero, so CM will switch instantly and that will be it". The after-credits scene with the pager was possibly the most redundant one so far, in context of CM being wedged in so closely between the release of "Avengers: Infinity War" and "Avengers: Endgame" as there was zero reason for this "Captain Marvel" movie to exist except to (barely) establish her as part of the MCU.
@@getschwifty5537 the thing is when Thor was going to commit genocide he was confronted by Odin and took all of his power away and through out Thor 1 he grows more humanized and at the end of thor 1 he is once again worthy the Thor you see at the beginning of the movie is completely different from the Thor you see at the end of the movie but with captain marvel she has never been confronted about her flaws by anybody as of yet.
but she doesn't grow. She uses that very same mentality to defeat the bad guy at the end. I fear your interpretation is better than what the movie is telling. If that was just her training and something the writers see as a flaw she wouldn't do it at the end when there was no need.
Jay in Infinity War we see Thor flying through ships with his axe but in End Game he’s nerfed so I can see why he couldn’t. But yeah Cheese thief is the most powerful now.
She's only most powerful because the movie wanted to her to be. It's kind of like just pointing at a random person, saying they are now most powerful, then having them do shit to show it. It's not believable.
Thanos: **Punches captain marvel**
Captain marvel: “Is that like a personal attack or something?”
Actually that was a personal attack
Jay. You cant just skip over captain Marvel's horrific abuses of the Don.
#istandwithdon
#metoo
Ha, see what I did there
Captain Marvel, as played by Visionbat
I think the big issue is a flawed character is great, especially when those flaws are addressed. My issue is I think the filmmakers dont see her as flawed, and those violent scenes are meant to be "badass". If they dont view it this way, then a chance of a sequel using those elements is non-existent.
A problem a lot of the MCU has is a blatant disregard for collateral damage, so it would be pretty neat if the one character capable of creating the most of it was the one who addressed that issue. There's a lot of mileage they could get out of exploring the existential questions that someone as powerful as Captain Marvel existing raises.
This sounds interesting but I want to put in my idea take some inspiration from one punch man and other characters overpowered like dr. Manhattan Lucifer Morningstar Superman the beyonder
I agree with you. I enjoyed Captain Marvel as is, buuuut I don't think it was a flawless film by any means.
On the one hand, something definitely doesn't have to be flawless to be enjoyed.
On the other, if you enjoy something that isn't harming anybody, you shouldn't have to talk about the flaws in it. That's not to say you should entirely ignore them. It's good to acknowledge them. You just shouldn't have to throw your hands up and yell out that the thing is flawed every time you mention that you enjoy it.
Your enjoyment for it isn't hurting anyone or anything, so you don't have to justify it to anyone.
@@TheTheninjagummybear I know i was just saying I liked the movie bc Jay said he didn't.
@@TheTheninjagummybear But I enjoy talking about flaws in the media I consume. Especially for content that I personally enjoy. I thrive on that analysis and criticism in order to enjoy most things. Such was especially the case for Captain Marvel, I didn't really enjoy it UNTIL I started talking about it critically and looking at its flaws along with it's future potential and possibilities. I love turning off my brain as much as the next guy for an action-packed movie but, sometimes there are action movies that feel mediocre as you watch them when you do that.
@iPaused Honestly, I enjoy talking about the flaws in movies which I enjoy, or about the flaws in movies which are in one way or another an interesting failure. I usually try to avoid harping on about media I know a huge chunk of other people did enjoy, even if I don't see the appeal, because "it is just not for me" is a thing. And that is NOT about "turning off your brain", it is about acknowledging that some people like other stuff than other people.
@@swanpride Yes, I totally agree. As for the "turning off my brain" bit, that's just something personal for me because sometimes I get overly stressed with running thoughts(I have diagnosed anxiety) so, I find it to be relieving when I'm not constantly worrying about my analyzing DURING a movie. It's a good break of escapism and can help me enjoy myself by focusing on something visually stimulating(like action movies). It wasn't my intention to make it sound like I was trying to discredit other people's taste/enjoyment in certain movies. I apologize, that's my bad for the terrible wording.
*CHEESE THEFT*
Everyone: "Marvel write that down!"
Marvel: "uh huh" *plays tic tac toe*
What kind of villain would be good at
using trickery and deception rather than physical? Oh yeah, Mysterio!
7:23 Pffsth.. It's Loki
*OH RIGHT THE SKRULLS*
2:33
*"You wanna buy some batteries?"*
*"HAHAHA"*
Just Some Guy without a Mustache I know right
Nigga is your profile picture that mofo from fairy tail? You are actually gay.
*HAHHAHHAH*
Gamer Guy are you actually trying to act tough, or less gay? You have a cat for your profile pic
@@toptextbottomtext2373 It's a hamster you son of bitch. A GOD DAM HAMSTER. Also "meet my pet met 2". Now piss off before l delete your roblox account kid.
Having the cruelty of Captain Marvel written as a weakness resulting from Kree training is a perfect way to make her better, especially if she does something to move past it as a challenge. Great video Jay
"She can't fight them, they're her allies"
Mmmmm I wouldn't put it passed her to attack them
I mean, she doesn't even permanently damage or kill Yon-Rogg, who she found out was lying to her and manipulating her the whole time into furthering an attempted Skrull genocide (kinda as villainous as you can get).
Why would you think a character who spares someone like Yon-Rogg would go around attacking her allies?
I just binged through your uploads and right after I finished you uploaded!
It also really highlighted how much you've changed in just a year
I know, right? I'm always excited when he posts to see what direction he's going in now.
I thought the first movie was pretty great! It did have it's problems and Captain Marvel wasn't the strongest character, but I still enjoyed it and I'm excited for a sequel
Me to
1:35 they weren’t going for a joke, it was because she had been trained by the Kree and probably brainwashed into thinking that on unknown planets her first move should be attack
dude i honestly didn't think captain marvel was that bad when i saw it for the first time and i still think it's an enjoyable movie but your videos on it have Made Me Think......... why is your content so genuinely good Please you're so underrated :(
Me to people just want to hate just because it's Brie Larson and feminism promoted
I think those character flaws you mentioned are why the more positive film fans like me enjoyed the movie, she feels like a genuine person I've met. I also think another reason why I liked it the same reason I love videos like this, instead of bullshit deconstructions that call flaws in this movie 'fatal' that are present in every other MCU film: There is S O much potential for her character and story. But thank you for an actual conversation and analysis of her character and movie, it's really appreciated from someone who's a fan of this movie :)
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The sad thing about a lot of properties is that the character has a lot of potential but the people using the character can make it bad.
I said this for Batwoman and I’ll say it here.
@Snehil Shrey yeah, right. I'm afraid of a fictional character in a movie not following a "conventional" storyline. Get in the bin, mate
You didn't deserve this reply thread, Jacob 😕
@@SimonBuchanNz Trust me I don't even know what's going on.
@Snehil Shrey I meant properties in general, like I dislike how a lot of male characters are handled in adaptation too.
4:04 Me during anything involving this god damn movie this year
Why can't we just like or dislike the movie, without it being the "most divisive marvel movie in history!!11!1"
Another really good video. I originally thought that a way to make a good Captain Marvel sequel would be by making it similar in tone to CBS/CW's Supergirl, except this video reminded me that just because Brie Larson reminds me of Kara Zor-El/Supergirl (on her better days, anyway) doesn't mean that Captain Marvel is like her, and that Supergirl would never do most of the things that Captain Marvel doss in her movie. I hope that some people at Marvel Studios can find this video, because even though the usage of clips from the Brie Larson Wired video and one of her interviews in a semi-ironic way might make people at Marvel write it off as another "hater" video, it has several points that Marvel should consider if they want Captain Marvel as a character to be liked by a large majority of people and not just a technical majority.
I actually really enjoyed the film, but I respect your opinion. I did see the problems with her character, but story overall was really interesting and I had a fun time watching the film
Nick Fury was really good in it.
Petition for Jay to be a screenwriter for Marvel
7:26 damnit I thought you would say loki and give us an elaborate explanation about a) why he isn't dead and b) why he would make a great captain marvel villain
:(
You seem a bit hostile toward the one marvelous scene videos. Any specific reason? I’m just curious.
I like the idea of them, but a lot of the videos aren't good. Some of them are actually bad. I wish there was more quality control
@@LlamaKing9000 the whole point of it is other ppl fave moments and perceptions of it. the creator literally said if theres a moment u want to speak about then do it whether other ppl agree or not
Doctor Freud that would literally defeat the purpose of the entire thing.
Because 1 DCasterous scene is better
Most I’ve seen are garbage, and the people talking about them are just pulling things out of their ass
I liked captain marvel... IS THIS A PERSONAL ATTACK OR SOMETHING???!??!!!!!?!??!? (Seriously though even though I like captain marvel I do admit it has flaws. (Quite a few it them.))
Everything has flaws so enjoying something that has a few flaws isn't bad Hecks people love the room it's a cult classic and considered the worst movie ever made
I agree with you I like Captain Marvel to even though it has flaws
same
Same tbh. I mean, it wasn’t perfect, but there were a lot of charming elements that can be salvaged. It’s like Thor The Dark World. Kinda boring, but we all love the Loki scenes now don’t we?
Nah, Thor is actually as strong, stronger with Stormbreaker.
The reason he didn't blow up the ship was becaus he was fighting THANOS at that time.
Considering that Thor made Stormbreaker himself, I don't think it counts as something that makes him more powerful than he really is. It's like saying Stark's armour makes him more powerful than he really is.
@@Carabas72 Stark's armor DOES make him more powerful... It's like saying that a gun does not make a man more powerful just because he made it himself. It's stupid.
It was Scarlet Witch who was fighting Thanos in that very moment.
Thor flew through a couple drop ships in infinity war..
Yes. The difference is that he could only do that after three solo movies and two team ups.
those ships are like the small pods coming out from the Sanctuary II(big thanos ship) tho
He couldn't in Endgame, we don't know that Infinity War Thor couldn't destroy Thanos's ship.
@@franciscorendon2783 Did he try to?
Nope. But he didn't even try to destroy anything big whatsoever. He seemed too weak to do anything.
here’s another reason why depowering carol will make for the least interesting character developments ever, same could be said about steve - if you take away the serum he will still remain a good person who will always do the right thing. that was the reason he got his powers in the first place, so if you take them away he won’t really change as a character. and carol’s character at her core is someone who’s always chasing the better version of herself, and she was that before she got her powers, trying to prove to everyone that she could reach higher, first to her dad, then to the military, the kree, and yon-rogg. carol showed growth after she realized that she kinda doesn’t need to prove sht to them, but that didn’t change who she was at her core, just changed her motivation. as this video said, she can continue to improve herself and overcome obstacles, and having these powers would only make it more interesting. not a single conflict in a good superhero movie didn’t get solved by simply answering a question who’s stronger than who, so i don’t really get complaints about how she’s too op or whatever. ppl say that she’s too strong to be interesting and in the same sentence scream that thor/thanos/wanda etc would totally kick her ass like which is it 🙄
When did she ever give a fuck about what Yon Rogg said?
I think the key to a good sequel is a villain that both poses a threat to her and whom she sympathizes with. Cue, Michael Korvac. The Earth's Mightiest Heroes Version.
Just imagine, she finds Korvac in the ruins of a Kree facility, he tells her about the experiments they did on him, they bond a bit. But through his violent and torturous tendencies, she feels sorry for the Kree and saves them from him.
Maybe a villain that she doesn't want hurt, then it doesn't matter how powerful she is.
@Snehil Shrey Alright, Korvac and her want to eliminate stray radicals like Ronan, but he eventually wants to kill the entire race?
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Could still work with Korvac if she sees how miserable and broken those experiments made him. This version still has good in him, but also unbelievable rage.
Think reboot Broly.
Video: Comment section: is that like a personal attack or something?
Me: nah, I’m not gonna get mad about him saying this film was rubbish but something good could be done with the character. Those are my exact opinions.
Video: Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2. By no means am I saying this is perfect, but-
Me: is that like a personal attack or something?
“Just sort of... eating her way through it” 😂😂😂😂 that’s perfect
I heard it as "yeeting her way through"
I will admit I didn’t think it could be done, but you came up with an intriguing idea for a sequel that is much better than everything else I have heard and I would love to see it
I was watching “How to fix Captain Marvel” while you uploaded this
Gabriel Bajlo I mean they fixed Captain America before this
Hey, Thor did the same kind of property destruction, and they cut the scene where he replaces that lady's cup. They could do something good with that. Like, the person who actually destroyed Thanos was the human and it wasn't the super suit that did it. It would actually be great to have her feel that she needs to take over the Avengers, for a good reason (to honor what he did and protect earth), but just like Thor she needs to actually bond with people and get over that 'I have all this power and I couldn't stop the big threat when I had to'. And I think its a great set up (if they do it right) to have her be the new 'Captain', but Steve's strength has never actually been his physical strength. And they seemed to be hinting at her relationship with Rhodey, and having him be her wing man explaining why no, you can't blow up a bank robber, would be hilarious ( and not in that 'guy is the reason she changes' way, they can have her learn that on her own, hell even from Pepper. But nobody can deny that Rhodey reacting to things like casually blowing up juke boxes wouldn't be hilarious)
I'm totally on board with this. Part of the reason why I didn't like Captain Marvel was that *Cheese Theft* is a trigger-happy super-weapon with very little regard for who is hurt or what is damaged in service of her goal. Because she's so powerful and so willing to use that power, any story where she's physically challenged would need to nerf her, because otherwise she would just punch it until she won. A far more compelling story would be one where she is challenged mentally and philosophically, especially if her trigger-happiness was the focus for her growth (with some better teamwork/cooperation abilities sprinkled in too).
@Thor Odinson Wow you must be so bored that you are talking shit to random people who slightly show any postive affection to Brie Larson. Wow you're such a sad bandwagon shit talker .
My biggest issue with Captain Marvel was how everyone keeps telling her to control her emotions and what but for most of the movie she’s just stone faced. Plus, she is just a bit too powerful, like, at least Thor had a whole arc to discover his true power. Just a thought really.
Dammit, this could've been a "One Marvelous Scene"
Captain marvel had the momentum to destroy the ships whilst thanos ship got the drop on thor and he was inside when thanos showed up. If you look at the post credit scene of ragnarok thanos ship is very close to thors. We also dont know what type of weapons thanos used to incapacitate thors ship and everyone on board when he got them completely by surprise. He may have even used the power stone. Also thor needs his hammer to fly, which he didn't have so even if he wanted to destroy thanos ship he wouldn't have been able to.
Wow. You're on an upload rampage!
She has a great arc. She’s a woman that don’t listen to no man! Trendy, right?
The thing that annoys me the most is that captain marvel takes place in in the 1980s and she hasn’t changed by the year 2023
It takes place in the 90s lol
And I think Captain Marvel is just one of those characters that just doesn't age unless it's shown onscreen, like how Thor is over 1000 years old but only gets character development in the movies he's in (despite him living for 1000 years before that)
So, for CM2 to be good, we need: Character Development via a Character-driven plot. Not "Okay we need a female-led film and to appease the fans who have been crying out for it, just... go nuts, doesn't matter, they'll lap it up". between this and Film Perfections' video about Tony Stark having been basically a villain at the start of his first film (which CM basically is at the start of her first film, but the difference, aside from level of writing and acting and a whole host of other things is that the in the first Iron Man film, Tony Stark is BASICALLY presented as such without naration going 'yeah he's a villain here' versus CM's film treating her as a hero from the start, thinking she is ala her its-in-the-trailer line to Fury about being a Noble Warrior Hero, the scene being from BEFORE the revelation that actually no, the Skrulls are trying to escape persecution by the xenophobic Kree, and her changing sides it's a CHARACTER DRIVEN thing but 'OH was I helping the wrong side? ... Okay I'll help you now, my new bestie!')
That's the thing with CM: We could have been given the same plot and same character trait-handling angles as Iron Man 1 - He ended that film still as a narcissist with a huge ego, otherwise he'd have kept the 'IM is a bodyguard, I was on a yacht at the time' coverstory.
Both films, the Main characters Titular "Hero name" start on the wrong side, have a wake-up call about it, and end the film turning around and saying 'no I wont do this bad thing'. They both are held captive, and have personal betrayals from those they trust (Stane and Yon-Rogg) and they both have deep character flaws that aren't solved by the end of the film. Yet IM is loved and CM is hated because of how they were written getting there. Tony has a developing friendship with Yensin, only to suffer his loss, while Carol has a developing friendship with Fury, who... doesn't die in that film. We're supposed to believe that the Skrulls she helps also take that slot, but they can't because unlike the Skrulls to Carol, Yensin wasn't Tony's enemy, but a fellow captive, and in tony's debut, he doesn't have the "my enemies are actually good guys", instead it was "the people I built weapons to help were killed by those weapons, because the bad guys who are the bad guys and not good guys and they are terrorists who aren't motivated by the fact the US invaded their lands (but the other way around) somehow got hands on my weapons. So... making weapons is the thing that I need to change my stance on.
CM didn't handle the fact that she'd been fighting and presumably killing refugees, nor her discovery of that fact, at all. IM did, though subtly, with, for instance, his losing his temper and blowing up the glass panes after watching the news report (while wearing a stabiliser glove), leading directly into heading to gulmira I think it was.
And as for their use of violence (the specific motions, not what they were doing it for) they both do the same thing,r eally. They both shoot from their hands as their iconic attack. (Tony's repulsor blasts, and Carols... whatever those are, I think they're actually supposed to be the same thing, since she got her powers from tech developed from the tesseract and tony's arc reactor tech is implied to work similarly? I'm using the artificial element than the whole Assemble film's point of using said stuff in stark tower for the tesseract...
that and visually similar - the repulsor stuff when he flies is the same - both thrust comign from feet with 'beams' from their hands.
6:05 its probably because the nerfed thor to make captain america and captain marvel look stronger. If they kept thors power level the same as Infinty War. He would have destroyed the ship.
It was mainly to make the fight against thanos last more than 5 seconds
I mean...I get the concept "jokey jokes with no substance or plot mechanic are bad"...which I agree with...but I also think her being overly hostile, the same with her lack of personality, come from her warrior training while she was a part of the Kree...she was in an elite battalion that went in...killed shit...and left. That was all of her life as far as she knew.
I think it's part of her character she will develop out of and is intentionally placed as a problem to be surmounted as we see the character. The same with her lack of personality getting better as we moved further into her reaccessing her memories...overall...I feel like a lot of people didn't give Captain Marvel the benefit of the doubt and seemed to look for mistakes in the movie instead of seeing them as mistakes of the character as part of exposition.
I think her main problems going forward: Being only 1 person but wanting to take on galactic problems (people dieing and losing when she isn't there because she needs to be on all fronts at all times...which is impossible), problems outside of something you can shoot down with lazers (aka, infrastructure, politics, hunger) and so much more.
I don't think giving her a weakness in battle will somehow make her a better character...it's not allowing her abilities as a fighter actually matter that will make her interesting and give her challenges. This isn't a Superman movie franchise where all the problems can be punched away and he just needs to punch them when kryptonite isn't around.
Who else could be a good deceiver??? HOW BOUT LOKI
I am in agreement. Very good points, geode.
never doing a one marvelous scene? can someone say
*C O N T R A R I A N ?*
Yeah I don't get that jab either. I find it interesting to see othe people break down MCU moments that they particularly liked
@@TheDiego908 yeah, the only thing that this guy did was make sure I'm not going to check out his channel after him appearing in my feed.
Tom Raines Lol ok. I’m still watching his content anyways because it’s alright. I just don’t like the jab at the trend.
This idea is such a good idea and I love it so keep up the good work
When talking about the deleted scene (that you show OVER and OVER) you speak of how the writers thought that was in character for her. But what you fail to mention, fail to recognize, it seems, is that the director and editor didn’t think it was in character, and that’s why it’s a deleted scene. It’s “on the cutting room floor,” and that means that you shouldn’t use it to analyze anything. It’s presence in your video may feel to you as if it makes sense and belongs, but in reality, it makes this video highly flawed.
No, it is still well within her character and the fact it was removed as an after thought doesn't change that. It fits with all the other actions she took and therefore is within her character.
It wasn't removed as an afterthought, it was removed because they obviously felt that her being a little bit more sneaky about stealing the motorbike fits her character better than throwing in another 1990s reference….you do know that this is what the scene is about right? That they deliberately recreated the moment from Terminator 2 as an Hommage? It was not created with her character in mind in the first place.
There is also a huge difference between shooting a cardboard in a high stress situation (she has just escaped from captivity at that point) or shooting some random thing in the background and attacking someone physically. I mean, apparently her energy beams aren't even deadly or at least don't have to be, because Yon-Rogg survives getting hit with one just fine.
@@swanpride "they obviously felt that her being a little bit more sneaky about stealing the motorbike fits her character better" and how do you KNOW it's that rather than any of the other possible reasons they'd remove that scene?
Oh, I don't doubt that better pacing has played a role, too. As well as the fact that it didn't add anything worthwhile to the story. But the point is that it was removed, hence it is just as irrelevant as any other deleted scene outside of "was this a good decision or not". For the record, I think it was a good decision for multiple reasons, one being that you should never put pointless references over the story. For similar reasons, they should have removed the taco scenes from Endgame: Funny, but pointless in a movie which was already pretty long and could have used more time on more important themes. Just like "I am Legend" doesn't suddenly get better because there is an alternative end which actually pays off what was set-up beforehand and is somewhat closer to the source material. The only thing important is what actually makes it in the movie. Deleted scenes CAN be considered optional canon if they were cut for time and don't contradict anything which happened in canon, but in this case, the scene wasn't just cut, it was replaced by something else. Hence the movie has to be judged by the scene which actually made it in the movie. Because that is intellectual honest. That you aren't able to make this very basic distinction tells me that you got pulled in at least to a certain degree by the outrage culture surrounding Captain Marvel.
And, btw, it is kind of funny that the plot you suggest for the sequel is basically the plot of the first one.
PERHAPS it is within her character to be this way, but using a deleted scene as proof of anything is bad form, and borderline improper for any movie analysis. You may not realize it, and you may not think of yourself this way, but by passing yourself off as someone who is analyzing media, it SHOULD be in your wheelhouse to do it properly. Yeah, you’re not a journalist, but to some degree, you behave as an entertainment reporter (imagine if Roger Ebert used deleted scenes in his reviews,) and it just makes you look bad to use deleted scenes to prove an opinion as if its fact.
this would make me appreciate the first movie a lot more honestly, if it was setting this up
When Upnext gets mad of you so you think “Ah I should come up with some original content then say flerkining on cinemasins or watchmojo.
Completely joking. All of your videos are amazeballs
This video gives me SO MUCH hope
Sure it's possible to make an interresting sequel, if you actually aknowledge negative character traits, but let's be honest. That's not very likeley, is it?
@Thor Odinson You keep bandwagoning the actress and movie , stop living .
@Snehil Shrey Lack of self-confidence? She's incredibly cocky. If anything, her flaw would be arrogance, much like Tony Stark. In Endgame, she pretty much thinks she's the deciding factor in beating Thanos where the entire Avengers team failed. That's definitely not a character lacking self-confidence.
If doctor strange wanted to he makes a portal and sends the ship to a different dimension. And if you’re gonna say why didn’t he do it then, it’s because he saw the futures that they won and in the only one they did he didn’t do that.
in 2 minutes I Wanted to like the video alreddy 3 thimes.
I think that you come up with some good point and ideas in this video, BUT there is one flaw when you talk about the deleted scene:
Captain Marvel ISN’T a superhero at this point in the story. She is still the brainwashed kree warrior and doesn’t give a fuck about humans cause she hasn’t realized what she is doing is wrong yet.
To everybody saying don’t make a sequel:haha your so funny and original.
Now back to the topic of the video I actually see this as a great idea in the in the comics her whole weakness is her pride in her self and how she sees herself.My main guess is that they are probably setting that up with the first movie and are going to expand on how that makes her weak.I feel as though they might introduce a new alien race that would manipulate her as the skrulls are more personal to her.Brie Larson is a good cast for the character most of the people who complain about her are not actually fans of marvel they just took something she said out of context and wanted to find another women with feminist beliefs to be triggered by and attack for her ideas.I’m not even a huge fan of hers like that but I like the character I just the people attacking Brie as childish.
how is saying dont make a sequel funny? its just an opinion
Joel Miller I’m saying it was funny sarcastically.I don’t agree with the people who are commenting that and that’s why I’m telling my opinion on the matter.
@Thor Odinson Calm down Bandwagon troll .
This is high quality content. I hope Captain Marvel 2 is like this.
Am I... am I actually potentially hyped about captain marvel?
If Loki comes back I’d love to see her against him in some way. Or, epic he doesn’t they could do a prequel to Endgame for her which would make sense in character because she basically didn’t have one in that movie
Who's captain marvel I've only heard of cosmic Karen
lol
to confuse matters, Spidey's "suit lady" is called Karen.
OMG I didn't get the Cheese Theft joke the time. That's friggin BRILLIANT.
I really liked Captain Marvel in her solo movie, she didn’t have much relevance in endgame, but she was still pretty badass
you have a terrible taste in movies then
Piro Man considering endgame is my favourite movie now, I’m gonna have to disagree with you
I was OK with her, she's a poorly written character, but I don't hate her like some people do.
BirdsElopeWithTheSun I’ll give u that one, while she hasn’t been the given the best material to work with, I’m still excited for the character
Imagine this: Captain marvel is with Nick Fury and the Skrull refugees on their giant ship, where they have been working and even living together for about 30 years. While making an attack on a Kree station, they come across another another group of skrulls who have also been travelling throughout the galaxy attempting to liberate fellow Skrulls and take revenge on the Kree.
But - plot twist - this group was started by Skrulls that are the sole survivors of a devastating attack on a Skrull settlement carried out by Starforce, and the leader in particular lost a loved one at the hands of Carol Danvers herself.
This inevitably brings up old scars and a lot of guilt for her, and challenges the reckless Kree warrior side of her as she struggles with her humanity. What’s more is that, although there are probably a bunch of Kree she can just blow up or whatever on the side, this is a threat that she can’t just punch through because the Skrulls are the people that she has dedicated her life to protecting. She is at least partly responsible for the situation of the opposing Skrull group and any antagonistic actions toward her are kind of valid, meaning that to strike out in violence just makes her the villain that the Kree tried to make her.
You could absolutely use the idea of trickery and ruined trust that Jay touched upon in his video, but I feel that making her face a threat that is emotional and diplomatic rather than just powerful or physical would really test her character and dwelling on those negative feelings of guilt could give her a much, much needed sense of dimension. Seeing her as a real hero and possibly even uniter of the Skrull people feels so much more meaningful to me than just seeing her as a powerhouse who saved the day by showing up.
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This is good, and I'm with you on a lot of these aspects (Carol being trigger-happy can be used by a future writer, Carol can face issues that require solutions other than full violence), but I disagree that Skrulls should be the baddies for the sequel. I think Marvel was trying to draw a link between Skrulls and immigrants (A group accused of infiltration and ruining everything they come into contact with, but maybe the real bad guy was the ultra-nationalist propaganda-producers all along). While yes, Skrulls are not a monolith, and we could easily have bad Skrulls, I think it'd be confusing for audiences, and more importantly, amend that last theme with "Except some of them are totally bad, and the propaganda was right", which I don't imagine Disney will want to happen.
6:37 "What if a villain were to say feed her false information and tricked her to attacking something that they wanted her to attack"
This is literally what the Kree do in Captain Marvel. This is the plot of the movie...
Also, it is pretty clear that the Terminator like scene was originally filmed because, well, they wanted to throw in another 1990s reference. So I don't think that it says anything about Carol and way more about the obsession of this movie with 1990s nostalgia. I mean there is a reason why they didn't use this scene and instead have Carol being more sneaky about stealing the bike. The scene is better paced that way, but also, it fits her character better.
Great assessment. The best villains are ones that can manipulate their enemies psychologically. Big punchy spectacles are fun and all but when you have an incredibly powerful character it's more interesting to see them challenged mentally than physically. The easy thing would be to introduce a more powerful villain but the smart thing to do would be to introduce someone who can emotionally torment the character. Let's hope the sequel doesn't go the easy route.
Infinity War Thor could destroy Thanos' ship but Endgame Thor couldn't
Endgame thor is very fat lol
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I do love your idea and it would also be interesting to see a Marvel villian who can actually challenge her physically as well. The Marvel Universe are filled with many powerful characters.