Hey friends, if you're about to post a comment that says something along the lines of "Criticism is subjective. Are you saying his opinion is WRONG?" then here's a link to a clip of Alex saying that someone else's criticisms are wrong: th-cam.com/video/FhisNJY3zcU/w-d-xo.htmlm23s If you're about to post a comment that says something along the lines of "You're missing the point, actually what Alex actually meant was" and then proceed to say something that he doesn't say in his video then I hate to break it to you but I've not missed anything, you've added something.
Sorry, Jay, you produced a satirical rebuttal hit piece to attack and mock a fellow youtuber to farm for views and subscribers. You didn't produce a video that thoughtfully and respectfully addressed his arguments. Now you're playing _Damage Control._
@@Idk_bro12340 …not really, straight from the beginning of nwh we’re immediately thrown into the consequences of his revealed identity, its not played for laughs, theres chaos and confusion, and by the end of the film, great consequence.
Saje Williams even worse is that the movie is set maybe a month ish after endgame, so the assumption hi top makes is even more ludicrous. Grief doesn’t make someone unable to do anything except sit at home and cry for months on end, and even if it does for some people, it’s not unbelievable that peter processes grief differently than those people.
@@genieglasslamp5028 Thank goodness. I heard legends of a barbarian race known at "non Americans", but I never believed they were real. Thank you for your reassurance.
@@James--Parker *Parachutes in* "Listen! I don't have much time but I'm here to tell you that there IS in fact a world other than-" *gets dragged off stage*
"He's grieving Tony, so he shouldn't be able to go om vacation" HALF of the human population is still mentally adjusting to the other half being dead and 5 years behind them.
@@nicolewhite3157 it actually does, something like that would have a massive impact on the world by not mentioning it or bringing it up it makes it seem like it barley happened and barley affected the world
After my grandpa died, my grandma took eleven of us all on vacation after the initial soul crushing grief and funerals and everything. You can go on vacation and be happy, and still grieve. We got sad, but we still enjoyed our trip. We still missed him, but it didnt occupy our minds every minute.
Soo I get what your saying but couldn't the mcu have written that into the movie? Peter has money problems but his aunt wants him to go on the trip to ease his pain so somehow gathers the money to send him on the trip?
@@orangejuice3205 I think he can, he's from a poor family with no parents, May is his aunt. I think since he is 16 years old, he could definitely have worked a part-time job to ease the stress by providing for himself a bit and not just play hero all the time. Tobey's spiderman had to juggle work, study and superhero-ing too.
@Game Way when happy got off the jet and peter wanted to know if he was an illusion so he asked him to tell peter something only he would know. Then happy said that in the hotel in Berlin he was looking at adult magazines
You guys keep making the jokes and snippets of an issue that is literally glossed over every time it appears then say "it's a relatable problem." Happy finding out Peter watched porn isn't a problem. It's a laugh. It never has consequences and it doesn't mean anything other than confirming Happy was real. More than that. it is not a problem, at all to begin with. It's an embarrassing solution to a problem. It solves the actual problem that Peter doesn't know what's real and what isn't.
He pretty much is gatekeeping being sad. Does HiTop know that people grieve and mourn in different ways? I’m pretty sure HiTop has never grieved or mourned in his life.
@@cbmjoe06 i have watched the movie when i mean mention tony stark i mean in an emotional way, theres more confusion then fucking sasuke in naruto, none of this you need to be the next iron man and then they go you need to be urself bullshit like uHhhhhh hello watch browntables video.
"He's going through grief, why does he want to fall in love or go on vacation?" Because he wants to escape his grief??? What else is he supposed to do, sit in his room and be depressed all summer?
Duh you're supposed to never move on with your life and always be sad with what was left behind just like this dude still can't move on from Rami the films
Don't you just HATE it when you see a kid with great powers have no responsibilities and should be called a murderer for killing another student cause he was in love with that kid's date?
One month after my dad died I went on a holiday to another country. I was grieving very much, but I was on my way to meet someone dear and important to me. It helped me cope. Still miss him very much two years after.
Hell, within the first six months of my Dad's passing I went on two small vacations. You don't forget, or stop feeling, but sometimes you gotta get outta town and live. Life doesn't just stop for a pre-determined amount of time.
That's more or less a subjective way of dealing with a passing, I too lost my father, about a year ago and I definitely became a lot less social and a lot more of a lit fuse. People grieve differently, I guess a lot of the time people are just used to the movie magic of sad people time and usually having it being presented in some way shape of form by montage, or going through old belonging, etc.
yes, how unrelatable is having someone you care about die, having a crush, and being worried they like someone else, thinking you're not good enough, trying to live up to someone else, and having someone know something about you that you don't want them to know, so unrelatable
that's supposed to be sarcastic, and I honestly think someone who is bad at explaining stuff explained what happened to hi top top and then he made the review, and I don't think he's ever been a teenager before if he finds this film unrelatble
I feel like people don't understand Far From Home. Because a lot of these things happen in bigger scale ways than how they happen in real life, people don't think about them the same way and don't realize that they can probably relate in some capacity. So, I approve of this comment.
Heck the fact that he has to deal with the consequences of the someone else, is also pretty relatable to people nowadays. Adults made mistakes in their past and now the youth are the ones who are tasked to fix them is a common theme in media nowadays. Peter having to stop villains born from other heroes is a responsibility he shouldn't have to take on, but he does anyways because he needs to. Just because its not his problem doesn't mean he should ignore it, that was how uncle Ben died in the first place.
"Peter doesn't have relatable problems" Peter: *spends the movie trying to capitalize on his high school crush while dealing with crippling self doubt*
I’ve never doubted myself in my entire life. I don’t know what u mean. I drive a monster truck and use a 44 magnum as my side arm and it’s not compensating for anything.
ah yes, the crush who 1) got no development on screen, and the little that did wasn’t warranted and neither earned, but okay 2) was fucking tokenised for whatever reason 3) is the girl he’s trying to get with after his “father figure” dies, i understand trying to get over grief and such, but i don’t think trying to fall in love falls into that, but since when can i “gatekeep” on how to be “sad” ffs
@@Krax0n- you don't understand the concept of tokenism if you think MJ in the MCU is a token character lmao. Everybody deals with grief in their own way and usually people don't judge the way others process grief and some people reach out for love and affection in their time of need, like Peter does. You complain about MJ having no development and then call the development she did have unwarranted? Sounds like you're looking for any reason to have a continual hate boner for the so-called token character...
Peter doesn't have relatable problems? His entire arc is about _burnout._ About running away from his responsibility because he's exhausted, and thinks he can't live up to it. _What is more relatable than that!?_
Hitop missed a huge character beat on the bridge, when MJ says “did you get him” and he says “ yeah I got him” you can see a profound sadness on his face that Beck died and he couldn’t save him. He says so much just with his facial expressions
Yeah. Both homecoming and FFH are very subtle when it comes to stuff like that. You have to pay attention to littler details in their facial expressions and lines here and there to realise character s feelings about situations
@Jonny P that’s true it’s like when tony scolds peter after the ferry incident. If Hitop would pay half of the attention to these movies as he does to the of trilogy then he would see the bigger picture
Benji M Even THAT doesn’t make sense because Tobey’s Peter Parker is the most resilient motherfucker on the face of the earth. That dude’s entire week is ruined on a daily basis and he still keeps trucking along trying to get things right. If anything, Toby’s Peter wouldn’t want to go on vacation because he’d feel that he needs to keep trying even harder or get to the point where he’d outright quit like in 2. Holland’s Peter allows himself to try and feel better because he feels so shitty, whereas Tobey just takes the hits to the face repeatedly like he can handle it. MCU’s Peter seems far more mental-health conscientious, which is 1) a pretty good thing for younger viewers to idolize, and 2) a great way of showing how what you need to do in order to feel better isn’t always what you’ll wind up doing but you should still make the best of what you can manage. I honestly find MCU Peter more relatable because I CAN’T take that many knocks by life and keep going, and it’s nice to see a hero realize it’s okay to take time to recover but also realize it’s important to keep fighting within that where necessary in order to find a responsible balance.
@@BenjiM514 Tobey fair... Maguire only cried 6 times all together across the 3 movies. And the first time he cried was when his uncle died in his arms. I think HiTop simply has expectations that are... higher than they should be because of what has come before in previous movies. Granted, those previous movies set a high bar, but they were also lightning in a bottle that's not likely to happen the same way again. What HiTop wants is for someone to make the Raimi films again, but if that were to happen, then he would probably complain that they're trying too hard and not as good and that they need to go in a different direction instead of remaking what's already been done... which is what the current MCU films are doing, just not the way that HiTop wants. Basically, it's a Damned-If-You-Do, Damned-If-You-Don't situation, and HiTop is the one who is going to damn the films.
"If I were an optimistic man I would say that they could tell some pretty dramatic and cool stories about the entire world knowing he's Spider-Man. [...] But knowing how the MCU has treated Peter, it will probably be brushed off and somehow turned into a running joke." This quote of HiTop aged like milk
Peter's villains also make complete and total sense because the villans are a direct result of the events of the MCU which means street level heros have to deal with the fallout of the world ending events
Clarence Remy Which in my opinion makes him a true friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Unlike Raimi Spider-Man where he’s literally the only hero in the WORLD like Superman.
i agree but i wish there were more importance on the idea of the upper heroes messed up and now any lower heroes have to deal with it instead of it being specifically tony stark's problems lining up directly with peter parker's problems and peter having to deal with it. For example, in homecoming the vulture has direct problems with tony stark and it just so happens that the vulture's daughter was the girl peter's dating and he just so happened to find out that peter is spider man so the plot can continue. it's unnatural and not realistic for that to happen and seems more like a joke than a actually plot.
I don't see how the fact that MCU Spiderman's villains are a consequence of Tony's past actions is a bad thing. It just adds more to Peter's character as Tony's successor. Tony sees Peter as someone greater than he was, and so far both the main villains recognize that he is good and is only doing what's right. They were done wrong by Tony but accept Spiderman to some extent.
The strange thing is that Hi-Top says that Peter being happy at the end is wrong, yet a very similar thing happens in spider-man 2, which hi-top has made a 45 minute long video praising.
@khandwa style Well, no. The end cred scene of HC was a joke from the get go, it wasn't built up to have a lasting consequence. However with this films mid cred scene it was built up to have lasting consequences so it almost definitely will play a huge part in the next film.
Any lasting consequence in the MCU movies these days are never explored in the movie. They're always treated as a cliffhanger - "how will Peter cope with the entire world knowing who he is? Find out next time, for $xx!" Just like the point with aunt may finding out who he is. FFH had no interest in exploring the drama that ensued, they're more invested in making the movie easily digestible and we only see the aftermath of the revelation. It's like that scene in GoT where Jon was about to tell Arya and Sanaa about his lineage and everyone got upset because instead of exploring a very interesting scene they immediately cut away to some other event.
Hitop forgot to mention the fact that mysterio was a selfish sadistic psychopath, acting friendly and caring towards Peter in order to get the glasses. He didn't have a relationship. It seemed like it, but it was just an act
I remember watching the scenes with MJ and Peter trying to flirt with one another and thinking about how well they nailed that awkward hesitant-but-endearing teenage romance aspect of their relationship. It felt like I was watching a flashback to myself in high school. Also, FFH is set 8 months after Endgame so it makes sense that Peter would have somewhat come to terms with Tony's death enough to move on with his life.
Does his logic mean that when I was depressed I wasn't allowed to get a girlfriend. Caus that's what I did and it helped to pull me out of my depression
Well the thing is did these feelings come out of nowhere for a person you previous ignored or did you have these feelings before your depression started
But That's still not good.. What happens you you two split?(hypothetically speaking) you have to love yourself first. Depression is so easy to fall into. Happiness is hard, that's why you keep fighting for it.
J_skies, I don’t think that’s really necessarily how these feelings work. You can fall in love even when you get depressed, people with depression aren’t unhappy 24/7, hormones still work. It doesn’t have to have pre-existing feelings, in fact, wouldn’t the feelings disappear due to depression based on your logic?
Does this guy not know that everyone knowing Peter's secret identity is his worst case scenario? In comic Civil War everyone knowing literally ruined Peter's life.
I feel like there are better stories if that didnt happen, but theres also another way those stories could happen, if Talon appears as if hes peter and Peter is in one of his spidey suits, then the real Peter will have to be extra careful about his identity around people who dont already know it
Well, he is getting framed by Mysterio. In my opinion that's not really a consequence, it's just a villain doing his thing. They're probably going to find an easy way to solve this problen in the next movie, like having a Skrull stand next to Peter Parker or the other way around.
@@DevilKiller994 It is a consequence. It doesn't matter if that gets de-bunked with help from Skrulls. Peter's life is changed forever because his name and identity have been linked to Spider-Man publicly. If Peter had not given up the glasses and/or stopped Beck earlier, then his identity would be safe. There is a clear line from how Peter's moments of indecision/weakness led to the consequence his secret identity being revealed. He now has to live with himself and his loved ones having potential targets on their backs at all times.
@@nickk369 How dare he smile after he just killed a guy that was a threat to probably the entire world and right after a girl he liked kissed him.. EVERYONE WOULD'VE SLAPPED HER CMON
@@marveleeditsmarveledits3379 its like heath ledger vs 2019 joker which are completely different takes on the character the heath ledger fans appreciate it but raimi spiderman fans cant appreciate that its a different take
Note to self: when watching literally anything Spider-Man related avoid the comments at all cost in order to avoid being triggered by something as minuscule as an opinion
@@GaiusIntrepidus Opinions exist please respect that, I’ve respected your right to your opinion please do the same for me My opinion is that Maguire and Holland are equal in quality, I love all six Live action Spidey’s from Danny Seagren back in 1974 all the way to Tom Holland in 2021 I’m guessing you’re glad that Tom’s contract with Marvel is ending after No Way Home
"He's grieving Tony and he wants to go on holiday" Gwen and Aunt May did just that over Peter in the aftermath of the Death of Spider-Man. Does that count for anything?
@Jay Talents I wasn't asking a question about the movie. I was quoting a line Jay said and pointing out how Gwen and Aunt May did a similar thing in the comics and asking if people had a problem with that just as they had a problem with Peter doing just that. Peter went on holiday after the death of Tony. Gwen and Aunt May went on holiday after the death of Peter in the Ultimate comics. That's all I'm getting at here. Also he wasn't trying to bone her. Not only are they too young for that but all Peter wanted to do was hang out with MJ and have some quiet romantic time with her. He got her a glass statue gift thing and wanted to give it to her at the top of the Eiffel Tower. That's it. He tells Ned he plans on doing so
Let`sGo Evolution People seem to forgot that Peter just DIED and then came back to life. That alone could mess him up and him wanting to take a break make sense as a character. Seriously, how could they make fun of “I don’t feel so good” scene but forget that Peter died in that scene.
Let`sGo Evolution they aren’t supposed to be meaningful, but we want them too. That’s why we give a shit about the Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy and other heroes because they are meaningful and flawed and we can sympathize with them. But you don’t understand that do you. Spider Man isn’t truly flawed. All of the problems he faces a third grader deals with. This is SPIDER MAN. A man learning to be a hero and public speaking is a problem. If you were a superhero, you would have problems. Big problems. Not just space aliens and super problems but problems that humanize him. Problems that put the man in spider man. This movie doesn’t recognize and that’s was makes it bad... BUT A SURE GOOD ENTERTAINING FILM TO WATCH!
Relatable problems Peter has: Insecure Wanting to find love Awkward speaker Suffers from grief of his father figure High expectations from others The safety of friends and family
No money problems Getting suits handed to him Doing basically nothing and then suddenly getting girl's attention twice Having help at all times I'm sorry, I just don't enjoy this Spider-Man as much. I'm not a Raimi fanboy, and I think Holland is good actor, but he doesn't feel too Spider-Man, and it isn't his fault. It's the scripts' and Sony's.
OmniAster 0 he actually has to sell his toys enable to have enough money to buy MJ the gift. It’s a deleted scene and it’s coming with the Blu Ray release. There’s your money problems
I'd say he still has them even though they're not as prevalent He did enough good to get iron man's attention but got the suit taken away when he was abusing it. The black suit isn't all that special. The ending suit he had to build himself He talked to her and got to know her which might've made her like him He still gets called out for screwing up and in the end does most of the work anyway. I disagree. This does feel like spider-man. Not exactly like previous incarnations but still a version of spiderman
+OmniAster 0 1. There’s a deleted scene which has Spider-man selling toys to get money which will be added in the Blu-ray version. Also his father figure was fucking Iron Man and they were very close, probably close enough for Tony to give him a free card for money problems. Not Raimis fault for literally being the only fucking super hero to exist in his world. 2. Dude, Tony needed someone in Civil War to take down his friends without any harm. He just prepared him something actually made for combat instead of normal clothes. Also because of the event of Homecoming, Tony trusts him enough to build his own suit with his latest technology. The newest suit he gains is literally nothing special from his normal suit, it’s just made for night missions. Then he finally makes his own suit 3. Literally protects MJ from being murdered by robots and she secretly liked him too but okay 4. Peter is apart of S.H.I.E.L.D, why the fuck would he not ask for help. Why does everything need to be a 1v1 showdown vs bad guy or good guy in order to prove how manly he is? Anybody would request for backup in dangerous situations. He’s just a teenager going through some tough shit man. Seriously, all of this is explainable but your just not looking hard enough
OmniAster 0 I should mention that the first 15 minutes or so of this film were cut at the last minute and made into a short for the blue ray. And one of those scenes has Peter have to sell virtually all of his belongings to get MJ that jewelry. While you could argue they shouldn’t have cut it the fact it’s being made into a short means it’s still canon
People really be like: Nooooo, Tom Holland's spiderman is bad! There aren't any consequences for his actions **Tom's spiderman suffers consequences for his actions** OMG, he is so irresponsible!!!1!!1!
i mean he did faced consequences in homecoming because of his actions as spiderman lost his first crush and literally destroyed her family because of her father and he learned his lessons by denying for the suit at the end but in far from home there is really no consequences if you ask me movie was a fun comedy popcorn grab at best it was enjoyable but story was bad like spiderman 3 i don't have a problem with peter going to vacation i think normally anyone would do that but iron man's death didn't really impacted him throughout the movie it was mentioned like few times but it didn't really impacted peter he was just normal peter like in homecoming in spiderman 2 uncle ben's death impacted peter he was suffering in amazing spiderman 2 peter suffered from gwen's death aswell if they want tony as a father figure for peter why didn't they focused on iron man's death it just kinda shows you they don't really care that much they want the movie to be lighthearted but they don't really focused on the main thing that could've been the keypoint of ffh which was the main problem of the movie for me peter didn't really learned anything in ffh it was the same peter that we saw in the beginning of the film in every spiderman movie peter always learned something like in sm1,2,3 tasm,1,2,sm homecoming and in spiderverse with miles ffh was pointless in my opinion though the ending with everybody knowing peter's identity was like the only consequence in the movie other than that the movie wasn't bad but if you miss the whole thing and just watch like the post-credit scene you don't really miss anything it was that pointless though its just my opinion
@@sarjeshkhadgi2841 They did focus on Iron Man's death, what do you mean, his whole lesson was that the heroes he looks up to are flawed and he should stop comparing himself to them, trying to replace Stark, and just be the best he can be, that's not pointless.
@@sarjeshkhadgi2841 I mean. All of the movie is about consequences. About how Peter makes mistakes (and that's alright) and how he has to learn from them. They did focus on Tony's dead a lot. In fact, that's one of the reasons Peter goes on vacation. Because he's still sad about that and with all the stress he is living he wants to run away from his responsibilities which later pays off as a consequence
@Batx01234 LOLXD and aren't people allowed to make mistakes? That's what makes spiderman the most human superhero ever since he appeared in the comics. His mistakes and how he learns from them. Instead of being a perfect superhero. All versions of spiderman have been irresponsable even after Uncle Ben's death, and that's alright. That's the reason everybody loves spiderman
What consequences? And compare them to the last 2 iterations of spider-man. Oh, and giving away the glasses that were literally gifted to him by Tony Stark who is now dead. He literally thought mysterio was the same level as Tony Stark and deserved the access to everything Stark created. What a dumb fuck of a move. Isn't Peter supposed to be a genius? He just comes off as a idiotic preteen who doesn't care about responsibly other than giving "mj" a peck on the lips like a 10 year old. I don't hate Holland but Hitops made some good points
Shane Daniel did you even watch the fucking video? The end credit scene is more of a consequence than anything in the maguire movies. Gwens death is up there too, but Peter’s identity reveal is much more impactful on him than anything in the first three movies
@@RM-cn8pw what points would you like me to make? You're biased which is your problem. So you'll deny anything that puts the Raimi trilogy in a positive light. If you think Tom Holland is a "good spider-man" then that's you. But there's a reason many people don't think he is. I care more about who's under the mask, which Raimi nailed. I care more about what is going on in Peter's life because I can relate more to someone having trouble paying rent, trying to pass college, being late or skipping out on friends because of other responsibilities and just torn on what to do. I can't relate to a preteen who wants to kiss a girl he barely talked to all of a sudden and can't enjoy a vacation. Boohoo. You have a responsibility, put on your mask and figure it out, that's who spider-man is. Not a cry baby who just wants to enjoy a vacation instead of it being inturupted to "save the world" instead. The kid is annoying who got everything handed to him. Just doesn't have the same impact.
Shane Daniel “You’re biased which is your problem.” Not sure where, other than your ass, you got that I’m biased, because not only am I not, but I haven’t even displayed anything that would telegraph that I am.
This shouldn’t be, someone vs someone. This is someone criticizes someone else bc of how they interpret something. It’s kinda dumb. This is a little unnecessary
I think when you're grieving is absolutely the time when you want to go on vacation and fall in love. If you fill up your life with other things, you can distract yourself temporarily from your grief. Maybe that's not the best idea, but people do it for sure.
but it really doesn't mix, grief should be interpreted as some sense of drama, some sense of deep moral conflict but FFH is literally just him having a ton of fun while vaguely remembering that Stark is dead like three times in the entire movie
@@Evil_Monologues yeah, once looking at a mural of stark, once he talks about it with mysterio, and then he cries to happy, its only brought up when the plot demands it and its funny how he's only JUST grieving about Stark, oh he's the youngest person to ever go to space? to fight Thanos on a planet and the possibility of never coming back? not word about that, didn't seem phase him at all, but iron man dies due to his own sense of honor and somehow 8 months later, he's still got a pity dick in his mouth my point is, this movie should have either focused on Peter grieving, questioning, doubting or its about Peter moving on, being spider-man, being a super hero, learning, not both. because now it just feels like shallow story telling
@@Evil_Monologues its a super hero complex that's written poorly, if i was writing it, i would have focused on Peter's take on ALL the events of endgame, going to space, Tony's Death, returning to earth, how that would affect him, affected the people around him, maybe he actually quits being spiderman for good? that the impact of Endgame was too overwhelming instead of this movie's failed, jumbled message of "will he be the next iron man?" it should have asked the moral question "will Peter have the strength to continue being Spider-Man?" some kind of impactful message that people could walk away from instead of some holiday MCU episode. you can't grieve while having the time of your life moving on, you move on AFTER you're done grieving, in my opinion
Yeah they can but this is A MOVIE from start to end, if they don't show it on the screen then it's just lazy writing, people need to stop applying real life aspects and ANALYSE the movie as a critic
Lui But they did show it on screen? And why would we not apply real life aspects? Peter is a human being who experiences real emotions of course it’s necessary to incorporate real life aspects
@@natascha701 the direction of the movie is everywhere, we explore a side of Peter where he gets ptsd from endgame and mysterio, very little of that gets explored in favour of more cheap comedies and set piece actions The way u say it makes it sound like you're willfully turning a blind eye on the fact that the movie chose to ignore the more damaged Peter in more screen time of klutzy Peter in his journey to confess to mj and call out strike drones on Brad. The fact that they mentioned that he's broken, but don't invest the time to let the viewers see the severity of it shows lazy writing
Lui But during the movie Peter is trying to move on from Tony’s death. He’s still a teenager and wants to hang out with his friends but the movie also shows him tackling the consequences of what he has been through while on the trip. There are multiple scenes where they show how broken he is by Tony’s death. There is the scene where he sees Tony’s mural, whenever people mention Tony to him he looks broken up about it, and most importantly the scene with Happy where he breaks down. The scene with Happy shows his lowest most damaged point so I don’t see how you think they don’t show this side of him. His whole arc is based of the consequences of Tony’s death and the negative effects it has on him, so I don’t think the movie shies away from that aspect at all
The one thing I agreed with HiTop on was Aunt May finding out. At the end of Homecoming we were left on that cliff hanger and I was so excited to see whatever conversation between her and Peter would follow, since that has never been on screen before. But it was totally glossed over! I was quite disappointed tbh >.
Yeah but if you think about it to be honest, it makes complete sense that she is fine with it. The time difference between FFH and homecoming in canon is like 7 or 8 years which is soooo much time for aunt may to come to terms with Peter being Spider-man. I can respect your opinion though and I just hope to god that they don’t do the same thing in no way home. I hope that they actually make peters identity being revealed be meaningful and impact the story coz it could work really well.
So criticising FFH for portraying spider-man with no consequences and then a sequel comes out where they fixed that one issue makes the argument of FFH not having it age badly? Like my dude its still a big as flaw in FFH and HC
I meant this comment as a joke but seeing how that wasn’t appreciated let’s address the topic at hand: Peter not only faced consequences in FFH but consequences are an integral vehicle to the Home storyline so making the statement that he doesn’t in relation to FFH is flat out wrong and neglectful of FFM’s purpose as a middle entry of a trilogy. In HC Tony is Peter’s safety blanket, the man he aspires to be, a mentor and father figure and literally the man who catches him when he’s in over his head. The climax of the film is about proving that Peter isn’t in over his head, that he is in some capacity capable of handling challenges and trials without Tony there to cushion him. FFH’s job in this scenario is to challenge this position and throw it off balance. There’s no Tony and while he does have a Stark suit Peter is facing an opponent with Stark level tech and is actively trying to kill him all while having to deal with the loss of his mentor and it shows in how much Peter fails. Throughout the whole film Peter falls for Beck’s deceptions, even letting himself believe that he’d won against a guy whose entire arsenal is built around illusions by killing him. Everything in FFH is a mounting series of consequences that he barely manages to save himself and more importantly the people around him from suffering until he can’t. HC’s job was to establish that Peter can handle himself in the dangerous situations he finds himself in and FFH’s job was not just to put Peter’s capacity to protect himself to the test but his ability to handle the repercussions of his actions on those around him and like any good middle entry the answer is no. Peter’s consequences keep spiralling further from his reach until there’s no containing them and the spill over is immediately apparent. You shouldn’t need NWH to put Peter through hell for 2 and a half hours to recognise the impact that FFH’s ending has on not just him but everyone he cares about. NWH’s job was not to finally grind Peter into the dirt for trying to be Spider-Man and Peter Parker because FFH already did, it’s job was to ask Peter if he was ready to truly be Spider-Man and to test his growth both as a hero and as a young man. Peter had to grow from an unproven kid who Tony didn’t think was capable of handling the physical threats in his life to a young man prepared in body and heart to not only stop the darkness in his world but the darkness in himself. The Home trilogy is about Peter’s internal growth from a kid who never even had to address the idea that he may kill someone to a young man who conquered his own rage and grief to save the man who killed the mother figure of his life. Those extremes needed an in between period. A period where Peter could be confronted by, struggle against, and ultimately lose too the spill over of danger that comes with being Spider-Man. Before he could be pushed to the absolute limit, before he could be so full of grief and rage to take a life, the optimistic and gentle Peter Parker from HC had to realise it wasn’t just him at steak. He had to realise being Spider-Man would affect those round him. He had to learn there would be consequences. He had to go through Far From Home.
In the very movie he's criticizing, which is one moment I'm kind of surprised Jay didn't bring up, Peter decides to throw away the responsibility given to him by Tony by entrusting Tony's computer glasses to Mysterio, thereby giving him control of Tony's tech, and it's only after this happens that it's revealed Mysterio is not the man we were lead to believe he was throughout the film. Basically, one of the biggest consequences Peter faces in the movie is accidentally giving the villain the upper hand by giving him the very tech he could use to defeat him while in a moment of weakness. But, yeah, he totally doesn't face any consequences for his actions throughout the entire film. 🙄
One thing that I don't understand is how this dude says that "Peter doesn't have relatable problems" when relatability is subjective. One person can see Peter as a mirror image of themselves, another can see Peter as their polar opposite the same way black and white are.
@@JayTechZM hes basically the biggest raimi fanboy out there. I actually like the raimi spiderman 3 films, but not to like a soul touching level though.
@@prosplays3443 I like those movies also, but as most movies are, the series is massively flawed. HiTop's judgement on most movies is heavily weighted towards raimi's work
Im sure what he implied was that in Far from home Peter's problems aren't as common as compared to the Raimi trilogy.. Still though you're not wrong about relatability being subjective.
But also, how much does HiTop think a plane ticket costs? Peter could have worked a summer job or gotten money from his "Stark Internship." May probably isn't rolling in money, but she could have paid for one plane ticket + hotel fees, especially if the school trip was under some group rate. Maybe there was a fundraiser. This is not a big deal.
@@chanovia5912 I'm not saying it is cheap. I'm saying it isn't a plot hole that Peter could afford it. He has connections. Aunt May doesn't exactly come off as struggling financially (she's running a charity at the start of this film). I don't think it is out of the question that she dropped a thousand dollars or so on a plane ticket or that Peter could have extra money from working for Stark, or there could have been a fundraiser to help as many kids as possible afford the trip. Nick Fury later took over the vacation and was paying for them to do unexpected extra stuff.
I actually loved the part when he does that little "victory gesture" on the bridge after getting the Kiss from MJ. And I think it is totaly relatable. Saving the world from Mysterio was something he had to do. Kind of forced into. It was him taking responsability as well for his own misstakes. He would much rather be doing something else. But getting that Kiss from MJ. That is a personal want. Something he has longed for for many months. (And even asking MJ out scares Peter more than facing a homocidal megalomaniac in a battle which could have fatal consequenses most likely) To him that Kiss was the true victory. I don't see how anyone have a problem relating to that.
1Dreamking I also like when Peter loses a battle in the film. It feels like he really a teenager having to fight a battle way over his head. He doesn’t know what to do without help from iron man or a big hero.
1Dreamking If *I* were the director, I’d have changed the camera position to be parallel to and ON the bridge, facing him as he walks away, showing a gleeful body language, a giddy smile, and him starting to hum/whistle... *Come and Get Your Love* ... And when the lyrics start, you change to a little montage of him and MJ together, or smth, with him carrying her while he swings through the city, too; oh, and she sings the lyrics with him too... And you leave the after-credits... unchanged *That’d be perfect, as all things should be*
Darkrai's Victim I like hit top films but I know someone who lost there husband to cancer and she had young kids the next thing she did was go on vacation she wanted to get away from it all and she couldn’t afford the vacation but she did it anyway her kids were very young but yeah I think people go on vacation after a death in the family a lot to try and just escape reality
"He doesn't learn anything" It's not like the whole concept of the movie is about how Peter needs to question who he trusts and to believe in himself rather than letting others do the dirty work for him...
I problem with that message is that it contradicts Spider-Man's character. A big trait of Spidey is his independent nature, not to mention he's supposed to be really smart. Spider-Man never had to "realize" that he should do things on his own, he just got crap done himself... Because he learned to be responsible with his powers after the death of his uncle... Why does nobody seem to remember this?
@@zach3861 Raimi Peter in Spider-Man 2 literally throws his suit in the trash and quits being a hero because he...wants to live an easier life and not be burdened by such heavy responsibilities. Gee. I wonder what people think of that movie? People do not perfectly follow their self-imposed morals and conduct every waking moment. Everybody gets tested, struggles with how much responsibility they want to shoulder, and their decisions AFTER making mistakes or hesitating are what defines them. Also, MCU Peter is actually more responsible/justified than Raimi Peter because MCU Peter knows he's in a world filled with superheroes. While Peter in Spider-Man 2 is the only superpowered hero in the world (as far as he knows).
TheOneAndOnlyNAB Um no. The difference is that Raimi actually displays the emotional aspect and of Spider-Man ruining his life. He gets fired from his job, his best friend pretty much hates him, the girl he loves; loves him back but due to the responsibility he has he friend-zones her and she understandably can’t believe it (plus from MJ’s perspective “he can never even make her play as a friend”). The announcement of her marrying someone else doesn’t help btw. This stresses him out so much he starts losing his powers. But even then it took his doctor telling him “Maybe you’re not supposed to be Spider-man climbing these walls” This convinces him losing his powers is a sign to stop being Spider-Man. In the end, Far from home doesn’t care about developing his relationships and how they impact his life along with being Spider-Man. Every relationship is temporary and it’s only purpose is as running gag.
Yes, but the very 99.9% other part of the movie is just funny guy peter, and stupid jokes. There’s a time to get serious, and there’s a time to kinda be funny. They need to find that balance. He doesn’t hate Tom he just doesn’t like how the script portrays the character.
@@JoJo-lj6kk Yes, funny guy Peter, who is all but explicitly suffering from PTSD and the main crux of the movie is his insecurities being used by a toxic manipulator is so, so free of internal drama. No, all the drama here gets showcased with fireworks, just with this thing called comic relief. May have heard of it, it's what the MCU does as part of a brand that had some mild success.
khandwa style comic relief is Spider-Man’s middle name. He’s been a sarcastic, joke cracking, quick witted character since his inception. There are versions of Spider-Man that are very serious, and even times when peter Parker is very serious, but Spider-Man is overall an extremely comedic character.
And after No Way Home, HiTop still refuses to make a fair analysis of MCU Spider-Man. Still just compares it with the Raimi movies, and even though NWH gave him literally everything he said he wanted, he still grasped for things to complain about, and they were all really, really small things that he turned into a much bigger deal than they were.
Why would he judge MCU Spider-Man fairly? We all know he is a pretentious contrarian who is too attached to nostalgia to enjoy anything put out by the MCU. I guess it gives him a ton of views by hating absolutely everything.
Spiderman ps4 shows that it's not just nostalgia. MCU just doesn't respect Peter Parker enough. SM ps4 showed you can make a modern spiderman with gadgets and what not without sacrificing any of the core that makes Peter Peter
Also, that sequence with the Peter tingle in the dark hallway, where he has to close his eyes? There's something about it that gives me classic Spidey nostalgia, it made me absolutely giddy in the theater. It's one of my favorite sequences in the mcu
Yes afterall this is a movie and they tend to revolve around the same theme to show a point. At this point this movie clearly wanted to be a happy fun movie.
Separately, I want to point out that the "fear that he is not good enough" has an official name. It is called "imposter syndrome" and when people who are totally qualified to do whatever it is they are doing somehow feel inadequate compared to their peers and that people are going to find out sooner or later. I had it when I first entered my profession and that is clearly what Peter is suffering from here. At the end of the movie, he was happy to be the friendly neighborhood spiderman and he had every intention of going back to that when Thanos was defeated, but then iron man died and for now the public is looking to HIM to lead the avengers instead of any of the other avengers. He feels like an imposter and that's what makes it so easy to Mysterio to trick him. Honestly I feel like the movie hits you over the head with that message so you'd have to be trying really hard to miss this.
It's funny how he said 2 years ago how the sequel is going to play off his identity being revealed as a joke, but the trailer dropped a couple of weeks ago and it tooks like it's going to be the main point 😂
@@user-wo5tc9ux7u The movie takes places 8 month after Endgame so that is quite alot of time and we don´t exactly know when uncle ben died. At some point people have to move on and have to get their life together again if it set like two days or even threemonth I would agree but he has some time and still thinks about Tony alot which is the basis of the movie.
@@user-wo5tc9ux7u You're right Mr. Mental Health Expert! Who has ever heard of people pushing away what makes them sad and focus on what makes them happy, never realizing that not talking about it is just having negative effects on their sanity!? SERIOUSLY!?!?! WHO HAS EVER HEARD OF THAT!?!?! ESPECIALLY IN REAL LIFE!?!?!?! REAL PEOPLE DON'T DO STUFF LIKE THAT!!!
@@boshwa20 I know from experience that's not how people react so soon after multiple people you love have left you. I doubt you'd know much about it because you're most likely a 7 year old who's favourite movie is endgame.
Far from home takes place 8 months after endgame. 8 months. I think after 8 months peter may be past the point of constantly crying\grieving over tony.
Hitopfilms: FFH doesn't have consequences. Me: Peter gets framed for all the destruction and death and then his identity is revealed. Hitopfilms: that's not good enough.
Most of the consequences are things that happen in the MCU not in the Spider-Man movies, the consequences have always been oh some hero in the MCU did some shit and now Peters gotta deal with that, Hitop is talking about Peter doing a mistake and that has consequences. But it is good to see that because he gave the glasses to mysterio that bit him in the ass hard
@@ubermaster134 Yeah, that's his mistake that lead to him being framed. But like I said it still isn't good enough for him. This.consequence of being framed completely affects him and likely may.
Trusting Mysterio, the initial screw ups trying to get with MJ and all the screw ups getting with in Liz (Homecoming), not being honest with Stark in Homecoming......he had consequences based on his choices. Sounds pretty accurate to Spider-Man. Again Hi Top criticism just feels he didn’t get exactly what he wanted and still mad that Raimi isn’t directing Spider-Man anymore.
@Spider-Blox by trusting Mysterio with the Legacy Stark left for him, Peter did open himself up to all the shenanigans. Also revealing his secret ID wasn't the best thing either.
@Spider-Blox All do respect to your view, it's still a result of a choice Peter made, whether he was tricked into it or not. It's still something he'll hopefully learn from for Spider-Man 3: Home-Less... Subtitle pending.
"it's all done in a computer, no practical effects, nothing tangible for me to grab on to" this seems like an almost poetic way of describing the horror peter felt during that sequence, but instead it's being used to criticize the movie. incredible.
@@mrpedrobraga well it's rather simple, if the intent was to trick peter to think the illusions are real, why not trick the audience too by making the effects pratical? it just makes a lot of sense from a filmmaking standpoint, and would only add to the experience.
One thing I can agree with hi top on is that I wish they had given Uncle Ben more of an effect on Peter, seeing how big of a character he usually is in Spider-Mans life
Exactly. If you make it all about Peter struggling with his conflicting feeling for Ben and Tony, and at the end he chooses Ben rather than Tony then boom! Better Spider-Man movie
Scrabdusan Productions What does that have to do with the film though? Why choose between tony or Ben? They were both mentors to him and they both taught him different things.
@@changyang1498 right, but if Pete had to choose between them, in the comics he'd choose Ben 100% of the time. However in the movie it seems like he'd choose Tony. They need to dispell that misconception before people stop caring about uncle ben as the true mentor of Spider-Man
@@scrabdusanproductions2104 i feel its okay not to have uncle ben in the mcu because its called subverting expectations and if lets uncle ben just shows up in the third movie it would create the plot holes
People forget that Ben is the reason Peter helps Tony in civil war. He feels like he failed his uncle by not using his powers responsibly, losing Tony compounds that failure. He keeps failing and loses his way because he believes in expectations of himself that don't exist. He believes he needs to be the men Ben and Tony were, instead of being the best Peter he can be.
I guess he wanted a movie where Peter sits in his room and cries from beginning to end. Because apparently that's the only way to deal with losing a loved one.
I think my main problem with Hi-tops criticism of Spiderman Homecoming and Far From home is that he just simply compares it to older Spiderman movies while there’s nothing inherently wrong about doing that its just that he does it a lot and that concerns me because he most likely has an nostalgia bias when it comes to modern takes of Spider-man.
You said it best, if you take something and compare it to the best of course it's not gonna be great, the Peter we have now isn't the best, but he has potential to be, that should be the takeaway, i remember when Hitop said that he wishes they had made Peter be a veteran and had been Spider-man for years, that wouldn't fit in with the rest of the MCU, like, the avengers saw this superpowered and smart kid and said "nah he ain't even worth documenting", it's better for the MCU if we saw his origin
the issue seems to be that he has no concept of what a good spiderman movie is when it isn’t one he’s already seen. can’t speak for the man himself but his video essays on mcu Spider-Man read more like a Venn diagram between ffh and raimi spiderman than an actual critique. he’ll claim that these movies have no consequences or emotional stakes on the grounds that they aren’t the exact same consequences or emotional stakes as other spiderman movies. it’s like he just refuses to give the movie any credit even when it still manages to meet his paper thin standards for what a good spiderman movie is
god forbid fans of COMIC BOOK MATERIAL are annoyed that one of their favourite characters is being depicted for normies, jesus christ. the reason why they are even compared is due to them being the same FUCKING character, of course they are going to be referenced and compared, how can that be a problem to you?
Spyder Mbx Well then look at Civil War when Tony points out that Peter goes through trash to make his stuff. Or how he has an outdated iPhone by like 3-4 years in Homecoming which is 2017. He lives in a small apartment. Tony didn’t magically move them in to a mansion either.
Hi Top: The movie has no lasting consequences.” “But Hi Top, what about the part of the movie with a very explicit lasting consequence?” Hi Top: “It uh....doesn’t count.” (Edit: Gee, there’s a lot of discourse here now. Guess I’ll chip in: whether you like or dislike FFH, I’m just saying that I personally feel like Hi-Top is misrepresenting the film with this sentiment. It’s not fair to criticize a film with what you assume will happen in a future movie, even if you already made clear you dislike the film or the franchise it’s a part of. Hi-Top is making an assumption that I feel is bad movie criticism)
spider wolf I’m bein serious lol these films are a joke. They are comedies then Spider-Man films. Aunt May finds out it’s played as a joke. ‘MJ’ finds out it’s played as a joke. Whole world finds out it’s played as a joke. It’s fucking annoying
@@shubo4478 Here's the rub: In Homecoming, the ending stinger was played as a joke in-moment. The comedic cut-off, the fact that there aren't a huge amount of lasting consequences for only May knowing, the fact that she probably could have easily predicted it anyways based on his interactions with Stark and strange behavior, etc. In Far From Home, it is not treated as a joke. Yeah, the cameo is a bit funny, but there is no possible way for this situation to be treated completely lightly. Peter has been accused of murder, and basically the entire world is out for his head. It is treated like a big deal. Like an "oh shit," moment intended to get people wondering.
HiTop: "He is grieving and trying to find love?!?! Those don't mix!" Next sentence: "This spiderman isn't relatable" Everyone grieves and everyone longs for love. It's not relatable to you because you don't want to relate to it, or you have never lost someone close to you. When you lose someone close to you, it feels like a part of you died. Of course Peter Parker is going to try and find love, because he feels lost without Tony.
IMO, grieving and finding love just isn't enough for me to feel sorry for him, there's worse shit they he could have gone through, overall he still went to Europe, he gets a lot of things he wants
@@ArminFalcon no because he still hooked up with MJ with total ease, which is what he wanted, none of his friends got hurt or died, which is a what he wanted, he still gets to keep the EDITH glasses, he still got to travel around Venice, Holland, London etc, so it could have been a lot worse for him, which this movie should have been
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 Travel more like exist there. No "traveling" happened. He was lied to by Mysterio who resembled, to him, Tony Stark. Yeah maybe there should have been some other punishments, but for the most part I really didn't go in a spider-man to see a teenager get his friend killed. I do like the way you're thinking though.Opinions are subjective and at the end of the day if you don't like it that's fine, I just think it deserved a fair shot.
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 He went there wanting to be Peter, not Spiderman, which he didn't get. He didn't get to go to Paris and confess to MJ on the Eiffel Tower. Hell, he only got to enjoy a day and a half of his vacation, after that he was whisked away by Nick Fury and Mysterio to be Spiderman, in a place he didn't want to be Spiderman. No one died but that's because of him, that was his actions, proving him to be Spiderman. He never wanted the EDITH Glasses, which is why it was so easy for him to give it away. It did not go to plan for him, the only thing he got that he originally wanted from the start of the movie was getting together with MJ
They are relatable in their awkwardness but peter gets the girl he got Liz he got Mj there was no threat that brad was gonna steal mj you can tell peter will get her in the end. Peter never struggles to get mj.
"He's grieving... but he wants to fall in love and go on vacation? Those things don't mix!" Fam, if my mum died tomorrow, a holiday and a shag would be definate improvements to my mood. In fact, a holiday and a shag would be a definate improvement to my mood now. A dead mum wouldn't really change that.
Hey Adam, I thought I'd watch the video on your recommendation, because who knows, you might be right and I might not have the full context of why he said what he said at that part. Having done so, I fully stand by my statement: There is absolutely no reason why a Peter Parker grieving for Tony Stark would not want to fall in love and go on vacation. Those things are not mutually exclusive from each other. The only thing from that part of the video that might change that fact is HiTop Films' immediate statement that the film isn't at all focused on Peter's grief and having watched the film... yes, it is. It, in fact, will not shut up about the fact that Peter is sad that Tony is dead and feeling immense pressure to live up to Iron Man. However, I do appreciate the advice of checking the source material, just in case I was getting the wrong idea from Jay's video. So thanks, man!
With Spider-Man’s unique character arc within the MCU, it’s becoming more and more apparent how both those two films are heavily based on the early works of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko in showing the different phases Peter has as he grew up In Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017), Peter was still a boy. He’s already been through the major life-changing turn of events earlier that year such as the radioactive spider bite that granted him superpowers, and the death of his uncle due to Peter’s selfishness that haunts the shit out of him to this day and ultimately drove him to the path of heroism due to the important lesson he learned. But this time around, after his scene-stealing appearance in Civil War where he met all of his favorite superheroes for the first time, we’re exploring the life of Peter Parker and his overall character. He's going around solving low level crimes, he's immature, impatient, childish, and relatively new to everything. His double life as Spider-Man isn't dramatic, it's therapeutic and it’s comedic. He keeps losing his backpack, he gets caught in his Spidey suit, his shenanigans lead him to getting detention, and had his tech suit taken away, which is equivalent to a parent taking away their kid’s phone. The world is constantly beating him to his knees and his sense of self worth as a superhero is based on the Avengers (mostly Tony Stark). It isn't until he's in the rubble that he starts to look inward calling on his strength as Spider-Man to save himself because he isn't defined by a fancy suit, he's defined by his actions. It’s where he truly becomes Spider-Man In Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019), Peter is starting to fully transition out of boyhood and becomes a young man. He has let go of his first crush and has moved onto a new love he finds in MJ, not because of how she looks or vague descriptions of her just being "the best", but because he likes who she is as a person. He is now in a world where the heroes are scattered as the Avengers appear to be disbanded after the 5 year gap and the events of Endgame. But he's still trying to hold onto a few things by looking for some other hero to look up to so he can have guidance. He has grown out of his desire to be in the big leagues because he's seen the kind of struggle that brings, and his self doubt makes him feel like he isn't up to the challenge. He isn’t quitting being Spider-Man out of fear, he is just trying to remain the rookie he was when Tony first recruited him because the times were much simpler back than (we've all had moments when we wish we could go back to being kids, less responsibilities, etc). It isn't until he learns Mysterio is a fraud and is given words of affirmation from Happy regarding the pedestal the world (Peter included) put Tony on, that he rises to the challenge and proves his capabilities not only to others, but to himself. Happy basically explains to Peter Parker that the superheroes that he idolizes (specifically Stark) have flaws and imperfections as well. Tony Stark was flawed, fallible, and struggles with self-doubt much like Peter. The whole point of “the next Iron Man” thing isn’t for Peter to literally become Iron Man, but they want to make Spider-Man as popular of a superhero as Iron Man once was. Kevin Fiege is building Spider-Man up to be the greatest superhero the MCU has ever seen. Spider-Man will create a legacy of his own that’ll eventually overshadow Captain America and Iron Man’s legacies. That’s what the whole movie is about. Iron Man was the face of the MCU, and now Spider-Man is the new face of the MCU. He wasn't alongside other heroes facing the drone army, he was on his own, he used his own intuition, and his own natural superpowers bested upon him from that fateful spider bite to defeat Mysterio and save the day, reigning absolutely victorious. From what we saw in the recent Spidey flick, Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021), Peter's life is becoming more and more dramatic. The consequences he faces have gone from detention to being framed for murder. His double life is now becoming more conflicting as he tries to hang onto the few good things he's gotten. At this stage in his life, Peter Parker has come a long way from being just a rookie. He even steps away from saying “sir” since he’s already proven himself worthy as a superhero. But yet his childishness and his natural naivety causes him to butcher a spell from Dr. Strange that would erase the world’s memory of Spider-Man’s secret identity. Which also transported super-villains from alternate Spider-Man universes to Peter’s world. But instead of just straight up fighting them, he learns of their fate and how some of them were pulled from their world at the exact moment of their demise. And because of Peter’s altruistic nature, he fights Dr. Strange and traps him in another dimension to save these villains from death. He even developed cures for them with some leftover Stark technology. But in the third act of the movie, things go from horrible to catastrophic as Peter loses his Aunt May at the hands of the Green Goblin. Peter at this point of the movie, feels like a fuckup. He’s gotten bruised, battered, and badly beaten by the Goblin, and the villains turned on him and escaped all because of his mistake with casting the spell. He then starts to even agree with Norman that it’s not his responsibility to even save his enemies, to which case May, before she died in his arms, reaffirms the tragic life lesson Peter learned from losing Ben long ago, which’ll forever haunt him for days to come. (You guys know what to comment. 😉) Now broken and grief-stricken, Peter decided to give up until he meets two older versions of himself from alternate universes who shares similar tragedies with MCU Peter, but encouraged him to keep going as his loved ones would want him to as well. The three Spider-Men work together as a team to cure their enemies, but that’s not even the greatest part of the story. Tobey Maguire’s and Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Men both redeemed themselves in the process. Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man had saved Tom Holland’s MJ from suffering the same fate that killed Gwen Stacy from his universe in an intense emotional and tearjerking sequence that’s won the hearts of many. And as Tom Holland’s Spider-Man, in a fit of blistering fury, viciously lashes out on the Green Goblin and beats him to a quivering pulp, Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man prevents history from repeating itself by stopping MCU Peter from impaling the Goblin with his glider. In the process, MCU Peter cures Norman Osborn just in time to see the multiverse splitting open even further. Tom Holland then makes a grand sacrifice that’ll greatly improve his character further; he asked Strange to cast a new spell to erase the world’s memory of not Spider-Man, but Peter Parker. Which means that no one will remember who he is. And it worked. This part of the movie is where Peter Parker becomes a full fledged Spider-Man. After failing to bring himself to reintroduce himself to Ned and MJ at the donut shop, Peter moved into his own apartment he rented himself, studied for his GED so he can drop outta high school since his school records are lost, he bought a sewing machine so he can sew and stitch together a brand-new homemade Spider-Man suit from scratch, and he swung out of his apartment and into the city of New York where the world will meet its newest defender. Spider-Man has gone from a beaten down young man to a triumphant superhero by remembering the city that needs him and his refusal to give up, no matter the odds or what he thinks about himself. After the buildup over the course of six MCU appearances, meeting different superheroes, learning key lessons from different people in his life, it’s a very comforting feeling knowing that Peter Parker has finally become a strong, independent superhero ready to take on the world. This is an iconic sign of the completion of his journey of adolescence. Spider-Man is here now, and the world is his oyster. It’s very safe to say that the Spider-Man: Homecoming Trilogy is basically Part 2 of his origin story of Peter Parker becoming a hero. Since Part 1 is the introduction of the character, the radioactive spider bite, the death of Uncle Ben, and the birth of Spider-Man, which we’re gonna see in Spider-Man: Freshman Year, which is currently still in development. There is a clear arc for MCU Peter as we watch him grow from a boy to a (Spider-) man. And it’s annoying as hell when people call him “Iron Boy Jr” just because Spidey wasn’t in his prime (physically and mentally) immediately after becoming Spider-Man. While I disagree with some changes they made with the character in the past two movies, I absolutely love MCU Spider-Man. His character arc is just awesome to me. Marvel & Sony were actually taking their time to develop their Spider-Man into the Spider-Man we know and love. And with No Way Home performing successfully, we can be assured that his fun hero adventures will definitely continue in his college trilogy in the MCU where we’ll get a more traditional and conventional take on the MCU Spider-Man. Edit: Wow, I did NOT expect this comment to age surprisingly well. I was halfway expecting for people to disagree with me, but even before NWH, I’m glad everyone was very mature and peaceful about this character analysis. The Spider-Man fanbase can really use more peaceful people like you guys.
Khaled Taha it’s one thing to compare, it’s another thing to judge a movie on another trilogy entirely without looking at what makes an actually great film
TFEXY it’s legit a bootleg Spider-Man 2. Fitting with the same story of nothing ever goes right for peter but botched and quickly wrote in with humor and such. Peter suddenly doesn’t know how to use his spidey sen- oh I’m sorry “peter tingle” and depends on that in the ok final battle with mysterio. Michelle Jon- oh god sorry “MJ” finds out Peter is spider man and wants to be with him (just to have the somewhat traditional couple of Peter and MJ which was quick and rushed and never went on about how Peter started to get feelings for MJ because she completely shit on him in Homecoming)and oh wait? That’s what happened at the end of Raimis Spider-Man 2..... #copycat
Adam Rolston Wow, dude you’re everywhere in these comments. Whenever anybody says anything that praises Tom’s Spider-Man, you show up to shit on them for it. Chill, man.
"The mysterio trip was cgi" MYSTERIO IN THE MOVIE WAS ABOUT CGI Yes comics mysterio is a practical effects genius, but not in MCU. Did they make this change for the sole reason to help the budget of the film? Probably. Does that change make the scene irredeemable? Nah fam
@@matthewlugo2417 that trip scene could have been the most convincing cgi in history, and you would have known it was cgi, because none of those shots were possible practically
@@harrylane4 this guy that I really don't know the name and don't really care, said that the entire universe is cgi and cut the rest of hi top argument but he just did that just for the sake of saying hi top is wrong you can actually see in hi top's video that he says that the effects are great but as he said "call me an old man, I just prefer the real deal" even though he liked the cgi, so come on, watch both videos before saying something
Exactly his point it's too convenient this spider-man does not deal with problems like the normal high school kid he just has everything handed to him.
@@ivanfl962 go cry me a river how this kid who gets bitten by a spider and develops superhuman abilities 'doesn't deal with problems like the normal high school kid'; he went to space and died there for 5 years but oh no, someone is paying for his class trip so i guess the movie is ruined!
Mr. Delmar isn't suing Peter for the destruction of his shop and I just don't understand why this movie doesn't have an lasting consequences from the previous films
Yeah those are agurably very great and well put together but there's just something about his homecoming video And far from home video that come off more than a little surface level. He's not wrong to interpret things differently but it's like he ignores things in movies that don't fit his argument sometimes.
@@eldritchpumpkinghost2968 Whether you think it's prudent or not, it's still a very realistic thing for someone in his position to do. Is he just never going to go on holiday because the money can go somewhere else?
Most of the time when people complain about Spider-Man it’s usually “Why are they doing things different “ or “ Why aren’t these like the Raimi films “
MrSecretSentai not exactly people get upset because the movies don’t pay attention to the core ideals of Spider-Man which Raimi did which is why his movies are often compared too
Agreed. Would you rather watch a trilogy that does the exact samething as its predecessor? Something unoriginal? Or watch a trilogy that does things with spidey that we haven't seen before?
He did the same thing with NWH, he only focused on the bad and never mentioned what was good about the movie. He is biased, if the movie isn't the way he wants it to be he hates it.
The only point Hitop made that i actually agree on is about May knowing Peter is Spiderman. Peter in Homecoming emphasizes a lot on the fact that if May knows who he is, she won't let him be spiderman anymore, and there's also multiple meta jokes about May telling Peter to run away from danger even though he does the exact opposite. The scene in the comics works because peter is highly injured and may bursts into tears when she finds out, making the scene very dramatic. But in Homecoming they play the scene as a joke and May just doesn't care. She even encourages Peter to get himself into danger by secretly packing his suit to the trip, and uses Spiderman for her homeless shelter, wich is also played as a joke. So its not really subjective at this point May's character in the MCU is just completely inconsistent.
Tbh, I like it the way it was handled, but I see your point as well. I am a big fan of the supportive May from the comics a while back now, the one who knows he's spiderman and does everything to unburden him. Because she knows she can't stop him from his perceived responsibilities.
I see what you mean but it would be pretty hard to have it follow on directly considering (from their perspective as they were both snap victims) it’s been a year for them since homecoming. But while I don’t think it’d be easy for them to make her too fretty, and while I can kinda understand that she could accept it as she believes in Peter’s capabilities, I accept your point that her worrying from time to time would make a little more sense in the continuing narrative
@@harrisont2004 I was about to mention the fact that a year passes since she knows as well. You're perfectly right by saying that factors in to how she would react. To me I think that the year thing is what makes her so chill about him being Spider-Man. We don't get to see if she would have been mad or not or how she would have acted. Now she's fine with him being Spider-Man because she's adjusted to the idea of it. It wouldn't make much sense to push her being upset about it since the 'time frame' for her being upset has basically passed. However a counter to that is that with the events of Endgame she could bring up the fact that she doesn't want Peter to be a part of this because of all that happened. But this would sort of make her have a lot of conflict with Peter because you can clearly see that he feels like he could have done something and that he's not good enough and May making him not be Spider-Man is like the worst thing she could do in a situation like that. The movie had a lot going on. It wouldn't have time for that. But with Peter's identity being revealed, May's feelings on Peter being Spider-Man might come up in the next movie, who knows? Personally I think it should have a mention but not be a huge thing. Peter has enough going on and for a character that's there to support him beat down on the one thing that he thinks he needs to do...well that's really shitty. I like May being supportive of Peter as Spider-Man because I think right now with everything that's happened and happening, it's what he needs.
I wouldn’t say the homeless shelter scene was played as a joke. Sure there was some funny moments but overall, I feel that the point of the scene was to establish Peter’s fear of responsibility and his fear of becoming the next iron man. For your other points, I see where you are coming from, but I also like where this is going and feel that they could take it somewhere interesting in the next film.
I almost completely agree with you, but it could just be that May now knows that he has all of these powers and can protect himself and maybe thats why she isn’t as worried anymore
What to do when you're depressed according to HiTop: - get a girlfriend and go on a vacation = HELL NO - get a weird haircut, dance in the streets and hit on random girls = HELL YEAH
@420 that was a joke but ok. Also I like how you attack Jay and his fanbase as if HiTop wasn't a big manbaby blinded by nostalgia who hates every new version of Spidey becuase they aren't like the cringe version from Raimi.
@420 except his arguments against MCU Spidey are irrelevant, he sounds like a pissed fanboy that the things didn't happen the way he wanted to, and Jay stated why HiTop's wrong
Tobias Rieper “Oh this character doesn’t have an uncle, that now means he can’t be the same character”, do you know of this word called “adaptation”? You also complain about him not being relatable, mentions something Jay literally states in the video being relatable, and then discard it. And you bringing one up after the other makes it seem like you’re saying that his uncle dying is what made him relatable? Which just makes no sense at all.
@Tobias Rieper I'd say not making Uncle Ben an absolutely ballsy move and you shouldn't bash the studio for doing that. Besides, didn't Spider-man PS4 do that? Also about being "iron boy"... the entire movie is about him not being iron boy. He doesn't think he can be the next iron man, Happy doesn't say he can bevthe next iron man, etc. but the movie does one iron man callback and suddenly the movie is contradicting itself? I'm pretty sure the very fact that he didn't pick any of the suits iron man designed for him and he desigmed his own was enough to say that peter is his own person
Peter's suit was actually really-well thought out. In the infinity wars and at the charity event in Far from Home, the suit Peter wears is metallic, as if he's a wanna-be Iron Man. However, the suit he designs for himself is very organic, representing his acceptance of not ever becoming the next Iron Man. The fact he was the Night Monkey for the bulk of the film illustrates his confused self identity.
@@ryan9877 IKR. I personally would have _liked_ to see how May came to accept that Peter is Spider-Man, especially after the "what the f-" moment. However, the timing of the episodes is such that considerable time has elapsed since then and May's already come to terms with it. Like most things in real life, it probably took a long time and building of trust and May learning that it's probably pointless being worried about a kid who can bench-press a car - rather than one of those sudden (and very cinematic) lessons that people learn within one scene of a movie - and it wouldn't be very interesting to watch. So I just live with the fact that sometime between _Homecoming_ and _Infinity War_ (when Peter's on the bus and wearing his suit underneath his clothes), there's been some sort of development in their relationship - I don't need to see it to understand that it happened.
@@gbdeck200 We don't know when uncle Ben died in this universe. But they show him down because almost anything that happenes in this movie has to do with Tony. The villain is a result of TONY being an absolute dick. Peter gives Beck the glasses that TONY gave him. TONY is constantly on murals and paintings everywhere he goes. He is down because he is constantly reminded of him. He wouldn't be so down if it wasn't like that
@@SpeciallyShirly Peter was active as Spider-Man for at least 6 months prior to Civil War, so Ben had to have been dead for a couple years before Infinity War/Endgame
It does certainly feel as though people are imposing their views of grief onto this Peter. To be honest it's a very accurate representation going by my own experiences. I lost my father at about age 20. I'm 23 now, it didn't stop me from travelling, getting into a relationship 3 months after, I've had other father-like figures since that have come from very unexpected places. It doesn't devalue my father, I loved him dearly and still do. Inspiration and love of a person who has passed on does not blindside you to outsider inspirations and enjoyment of life in General. I respect that an opinion is an opinion but I think very little understanding of the versatility of grief is displayed in such reviews. I did a similar video to this on my own channel so it's nice to see I'm not alone.
@@ChannelPup Hey bro I know I am late and you probably won't recognize me for this, but I just want to say that I love your channel and you're one of the few Spider Man fans I actually respect.
HiTop films admitted in his WW84 video to skipping action scenes in films just so he could get back to the drama and I just can’t take him seriously after that. No concept of visual storytelling and no appreciation for good fight scenes having the ability to tell a great story by themselves.
@@jojocane9792 at this point I have seen far from home and thought it was fine for an mcu movie. WW84 is still bad though not sure which one you edge referring to.
HiTop is too biased on Spider-Man because he grow up with the Tobey Mcquire version and you can obviously tell he highly dislike Tom Holland’s version.
hitop mentions in most of his videos that it's his opinions and that you shouldnt treat them like facts. He's too biased but it's his opinion that the Raimi films are a masterpiece because of plot, filmmaking, etc.
I think nostalgia is a curse and a blessing like hitopfilm is a Sam rami fanboy and I don’t think I here him criticizing the Sam rami films becuze of nostalgia and hates on far from home and homecoming cuz he grew up with Sam rami
Isn’t grieving hardly about a Mentor and father-figure that died recently more relatable than grieving hardly about someone that died a long time ago. Curious to hear your thoughts!
When that someone who died long ago is meant to be the original mentor and father-figure, who is also the basis of your everything, no, I wouldn't say so.
Not really, Peter and Tony Stark’s relationship is extremely underdeveloped in the MCU. Logically Peter shouldn’t really look up to Tony Stark, but the movies kinda force it anyways. So no, I don’t think time affects the way Peter grieves in these situations. Uncle Ben was the one who instilled Peter with morality. Uncle Ben was the one who raised Peter. Uncle Ben is the personification of a perfect father figure/person in general. Tony Stark is a greedy, corrupt, logistically and morally flawed superhero. Peter shouldn’t look up to Tony at all. And none of the scenes in the MCU with Peter and Tony really develop their supposed “father and son” relationship. Peter explains why he is a hero in Civil War. And in Homecoming Tony takes Peters suit away. Peter is just grieving in FFH for the sake of grieving.
@@chka1043 you forget that Tony was a celebrity way before Peter meeting him so you could say Peter probably projected alot onto Tony even before them meeting.
Ch Ka Yeah but he takes the suit away to teach him a lesson like most parents would do when their kids fuck Up badly. Interesting View nonetheless, even if I disagree that the relationship wasn’t developed well. For example in the scene when Tony and Peter first meet I feel it’s a dream coming true, like he already is someone Peter looks up to. Also I think the fact that Tony gives Peter something like a possibly deadly suit or something like Edith shows a trust a relationship like Mentor-Padawan would have.
Stephen Ramos But why would Peter look up to Tony this way instead of Uncle Ben? A celebrity.... over the man (Uncle Ben) who raised you and was the reason you became a hero?
if May finding out peter's identity gets treat as just a regular thing then why would any other reveals be important. In homecoming he says "If i tell her then shell freak out about people trying to kill me and then she won't let me do this anymore". Then in this new movie shes 100% okay with it.
Da ComicBookNerd The thing is that either way, May doesn’t have a complete say in it. Fury has the power to take over Peter’s entire vacation and make him do missions. I’m sure if May said no, Fury would find a way around it, so there’s no point in that being a consequential moment.
@@delvy5685 no dude. I'm talking about him being spiderman in general. Not I didn't say one ducking thing about shield or skrull fury. May found out in the comics. Was she mad that he's being lieing to her yeah. Did she had to come to terms with it. Yes. Even in ultimate spiderman(which was kinda meh) she react like a normal person. She worried and had to watch him ducking die on the grass of her home. It's treat as a after school thing in the mcu. True she does get into treating it as such but it took time untill she was at that point.
@@christopherwashi there's a big difference between his aunt finding out and the world finding out. Now villains know who he is and can put his loved ones in danger. This seems like a very big consequence to me.
Hey friends, if you're about to post a comment that says something along the lines of "Criticism is subjective. Are you saying his opinion is WRONG?" then here's a link to a clip of Alex saying that someone else's criticisms are wrong: th-cam.com/video/FhisNJY3zcU/w-d-xo.htmlm23s
If you're about to post a comment that says something along the lines of
"You're missing the point, actually what Alex actually meant was" and then proceed to say something that he doesn't say in his video then I hate to break it to you but I've not missed anything, you've added something.
Hey man, you're missing the point. What Alex ACTUALLY meant was......
Jay Exci, Hi top sounds like such a fanboy in that clip that it annoys the hell out of me.
You should make a response to weasel batches
Although I like Spiderman 1 and spiderman 2 (I dislike spiderman 3)I have to say that Hitop films is real meaning of toxic fanboy
Sorry, Jay, you produced a satirical rebuttal hit piece to attack and mock a fellow youtuber to farm for views and subscribers. You didn't produce a video that thoughtfully and respectfully addressed his arguments. Now you're playing _Damage Control._
“They’ll probably just play his identity being revealed as a joke”
Whole ass multiverse opens because of this
Yeah, that particular comment didn't age well lol
@@wolfwyvern5334 it aged as well as milk
And in come Tobey and Andrew
well , it was still played as a joke .
@@Idk_bro12340 …not really, straight from the beginning of nwh we’re immediately thrown into the consequences of his revealed identity, its not played for laughs, theres chaos and confusion, and by the end of the film, great consequence.
So... a person can’t grieve AND want to get on with his life at the same time? That’s...ignorant.
Saje Williams even worse is that the movie is set maybe a month ish after endgame, so the assumption hi top makes is even more ludicrous. Grief doesn’t make someone unable to do anything except sit at home and cry for months on end, and even if it does for some people, it’s not unbelievable that peter processes grief differently than those people.
@@xplosives1752 it's actually like 7 or 8 months which is even more ignorant
Mr. ManGuy holy shit that makes it far worse
Mr. ManGuy Yeah at the beginning Betty says its been 8 months since everyone was saved
No, everyone only gets one character trait.
"The rest of the world isn't important."
Wait there are parts of the world other then America?
No.
@@genieglasslamp5028 Thank goodness. I heard legends of a barbarian race known at "non Americans", but I never believed they were real. Thank you for your reassurance.
What is world? Is it another part of America? Earth second moon?
@@brianchan8 Moo-Na? What's a Moo-Na? Were is that in America?
@@James--Parker *Parachutes in* "Listen! I don't have much time but I'm here to tell you that there IS in fact a world other than-" *gets dragged off stage*
"He's grieving Tony, so he shouldn't be able to go om vacation"
HALF of the human population is still mentally adjusting to the other half being dead and 5 years behind them.
Which also barley gets mentioned in the move lol.
@@buddyfats4768 doesn't make it any less of a thing that happened just because it isn't mentioned 40,000 times
@@nicolewhite3157 it actually does, something like that would have a massive impact on the world by not mentioning it or bringing it up it makes it seem like it barley happened and barley affected the world
@@buddyfats4768 It's literally in the plot synapses for the fucking movie
"Even Dead, I'm The Hero" still applies to Mysterio at the very end of the movie
Truth
E.D.I.T.V
Foreshadowing I didn’t even think of.
Really appreciated that thematic foreshadowing.
Honestly I hope he isn't dead, just to have a movie with the Sinister Six
After my grandpa died, my grandma took eleven of us all on vacation after the initial soul crushing grief and funerals and everything. You can go on vacation and be happy, and still grieve. We got sad, but we still enjoyed our trip. We still missed him, but it didnt occupy our minds every minute.
This comment reminds me of the Delivery Man.
Soo I get what your saying but couldn't the mcu have written that into the movie? Peter has money problems but his aunt wants him to go on the trip to ease his pain so somehow gathers the money to send him on the trip?
@@nimethjayathilaka5808 Peter is a child, he can’t have money problems, those would be May’s problems
@@orangejuice3205 I think he can, he's from a poor family with no parents, May is his aunt. I think since he is 16 years old, he could definitely have worked a part-time job to ease the stress by providing for himself a bit and not just play hero all the time. Tobey's spiderman had to juggle work, study and superhero-ing too.
@@Jay9966 and is also being financed by pepper potts
Ok but if Happy finding out Peter Parker watches adult videos wasn't a relatable problem idk what is
C.C Carlhead lmao i forgot about that part lol
When was that?
@Game Way when happy got off the jet and peter wanted to know if he was an illusion so he asked him to tell peter something only he would know. Then happy said that in the hotel in Berlin he was looking at adult magazines
You guys keep making the jokes and snippets of an issue that is literally glossed over every time it appears then say "it's a relatable problem."
Happy finding out Peter watched porn isn't a problem. It's a laugh. It never has consequences and it doesn't mean anything other than confirming Happy was real. More than that. it is not a problem, at all to begin with. It's an embarrassing solution to a problem. It solves the actual problem that Peter doesn't know what's real and what isn't.
BASSFZz they were joking that it was a relatable problem
"he's grieving and wants to go on vacation? those things don't mix"
Are you gatekeeping being sad?
He pretty much is gatekeeping being sad. Does HiTop know that people grieve and mourn in different ways? I’m pretty sure HiTop has never grieved or mourned in his life.
@@zacharysaleh1352 are u stupid or something IRON MAN DIDNT GET MENTIONED AT ALL IN THE MOVIE he gives Edith to a guy who he had 2 conversations with.
@@snowblizzard6554 You are either a kid, stupid, or joking and I'm about to get wooshed
@@snowblizzard6554 bruh never even watched the movie lmaoo
@@cbmjoe06 i have watched the movie when i mean mention tony stark i mean in an emotional way, theres more confusion then fucking sasuke in naruto, none of this you need to be the next iron man and then they go you need to be urself bullshit like uHhhhhh hello watch browntables video.
"He's going through grief, why does he want to fall in love or go on vacation?"
Because he wants to escape his grief??? What else is he supposed to do, sit in his room and be depressed all summer?
Duh you're supposed to never move on with your life and always be sad with what was left behind just like this dude still can't move on from Rami the films
@@luisf2793 Some people move on, but not spidey
@@luisf2793 clown gang
Ike Eichenberg you clearly do not know what the purpose of Spider-Man/Peter Parker is.
@@iceystreams9003 His purpose isn't to be depressed, that's for sure
Don’t you just HATE it when you accidentally fire a missile at you classmates?
Joester Studios yeah I HATE it too, when I was visiting my uncle Kim Jong Un, I almost nuked them. It was very stressful.
Bro it happens like 3 times a week it's stupid
Poor Adam he got hit by a drohne when it killed John
Please stop making jokes about this. It is a very touchy subject for many people:
Don't you just HATE it when you see a kid with great powers have no responsibilities and should be called a murderer for killing another student cause he was in love with that kid's date?
One month after my dad died I went on a holiday to another country. I was grieving very much, but I was on my way to meet someone dear and important to me. It helped me cope. Still miss him very much two years after.
Hell, within the first six months of my Dad's passing I went on two small vacations. You don't forget, or stop feeling, but sometimes you gotta get outta town and live. Life doesn't just stop for a pre-determined amount of time.
So right after your dad died you spent the nigga’s hard earned money on a vacation
@@nonamepen4326 Unlike you, I'm not supported by anyone. I work for my money.
NoNamePen Bro, he just lost his father, have a little respect
That's more or less a subjective way of dealing with a passing, I too lost my father, about a year ago and I definitely became a lot less social and a lot more of a lit fuse. People grieve differently, I guess a lot of the time people are just used to the movie magic of sad people time and usually having it being presented in some way shape of form by montage, or going through old belonging, etc.
yes, how unrelatable is having someone you care about die, having a crush, and being worried they like someone else, thinking you're not good enough, trying to live up to someone else, and having someone know something about you that you don't want them to know, so unrelatable
that's supposed to be sarcastic, and I honestly think someone who is bad at explaining stuff explained what happened to hi top top and then he made the review, and I don't think he's ever been a teenager before if he finds this film unrelatble
also now that there's set photos of SM3 that vid didn't age well
I feel like people don't understand Far From Home. Because a lot of these things happen in bigger scale ways than how they happen in real life, people don't think about them the same way and don't realize that they can probably relate in some capacity. So, I approve of this comment.
I'm here to inform you that your pfp scares me a lot, good job
Being Tony Stark’s lapdog.
“This is actually true: He’s 1.73 m at the start of the film and 1.73 m at the end.” Genius 👌
He's 5'8" (America, fuck yeah!)
MARVEL Studios: *uses CGI to make CGI*
HiTop: wait that's illegal
Apple Pi shut up
@@shrigga3104 Why should he?
@@TSDTalks22 because he is taking things out of context
Epic bruh moment
@@bigmonkeong This is perfectly in context with the video though.
So a teenager not feeling good enough and wanting to go on vacation and confess to the person they like is unrelatable???
Edit: anyway great video!
Heck the fact that he has to deal with the consequences of the someone else, is also pretty relatable to people nowadays. Adults made mistakes in their past and now the youth are the ones who are tasked to fix them is a common theme in media nowadays. Peter having to stop villains born from other heroes is a responsibility he shouldn't have to take on, but he does anyways because he needs to. Just because its not his problem doesn't mean he should ignore it, that was how uncle Ben died in the first place.
The hi top guy wanted there to be money problems
Yeah, because movies need m.j pre overused and shallow tropes
I know right! Not feeling good enough and having insecurities is *TOTALLY SO 100%* unrelatable!!!!
Not feeling good enough? Nah. Not feeling too good? Definitely.
"Peter doesn't have relatable problems"
Peter: *spends the movie trying to capitalize on his high school crush while dealing with crippling self doubt*
BuT hE iS IrOn MaN JuNioR
I’ve never doubted myself in my entire life. I don’t know what u mean. I drive a monster truck and use a 44 magnum as my side arm and it’s not compensating for anything.
@@santi_super_stunts2573 lmao
ah yes, the crush who 1) got no development on screen, and the little that did wasn’t warranted and neither earned, but okay 2) was fucking tokenised for whatever reason 3) is the girl he’s trying to get with after his “father figure” dies, i understand trying to get over grief and such, but i don’t think trying to fall in love falls into that, but since when can i “gatekeep” on how to be “sad” ffs
@@Krax0n- you don't understand the concept of tokenism if you think MJ in the MCU is a token character lmao. Everybody deals with grief in their own way and usually people don't judge the way others process grief and some people reach out for love and affection in their time of need, like Peter does. You complain about MJ having no development and then call the development she did have unwarranted? Sounds like you're looking for any reason to have a continual hate boner for the so-called token character...
Peter doesn't have relatable problems? His entire arc is about _burnout._ About running away from his responsibility because he's exhausted, and thinks he can't live up to it.
_What is more relatable than that!?_
I think hitop wants rent problems
Arkatox I’ll tell you what’s more relatable
Peter watching adult films
Also the remi films shows his problems as an adult. Mcu Spider-Man still in high school... with high school problems
DeadpoolAli you’re right peter is supposed to be a teenager in the comics so Hitop was wrong about that too
Ajbc 28 Where’s my rent?
Hitop missed a huge character beat on the bridge, when MJ says “did you get him” and he says “ yeah I got him” you can see a profound sadness on his face that Beck died and he couldn’t save him. He says so much just with his facial expressions
Yeah. Both homecoming and FFH are very subtle when it comes to stuff like that. You have to pay attention to littler details in their facial expressions and lines here and there to realise character s feelings about situations
@Jonny P that’s true it’s like when tony scolds peter after the ferry incident. If Hitop would pay half of the attention to these movies as he does to the of trilogy then he would see the bigger picture
Wanna bet that next thing hitop is going to complain about is that Tom is a better actor than Tobey? 😂
And when Beck gets shot initially, you can tell Peter is immediately concerned for his well being.
So a facial expression is the perfect way to show a emotional consequence for such a battle
"He's sad, but he wants to do things that might cheer him up? Well, THAT doesn't make sense!" - Mr. HiTop
Mohd Amerul Aidil lol hi top is used to seeing tobey cry all the time that’s why
Benji M Even THAT doesn’t make sense because Tobey’s Peter Parker is the most resilient motherfucker on the face of the earth. That dude’s entire week is ruined on a daily basis and he still keeps trucking along trying to get things right. If anything, Toby’s Peter wouldn’t want to go on vacation because he’d feel that he needs to keep trying even harder or get to the point where he’d outright quit like in 2. Holland’s Peter allows himself to try and feel better because he feels so shitty, whereas Tobey just takes the hits to the face repeatedly like he can handle it.
MCU’s Peter seems far more mental-health conscientious, which is 1) a pretty good thing for younger viewers to idolize, and 2) a great way of showing how what you need to do in order to feel better isn’t always what you’ll wind up doing but you should still make the best of what you can manage.
I honestly find MCU Peter more relatable because I CAN’T take that many knocks by life and keep going, and it’s nice to see a hero realize it’s okay to take time to recover but also realize it’s important to keep fighting within that where necessary in order to find a responsible balance.
@@BenjiM514 Tobey fair... Maguire only cried 6 times all together across the 3 movies. And the first time he cried was when his uncle died in his arms. I think HiTop simply has expectations that are... higher than they should be because of what has come before in previous movies. Granted, those previous movies set a high bar, but they were also lightning in a bottle that's not likely to happen the same way again.
What HiTop wants is for someone to make the Raimi films again, but if that were to happen, then he would probably complain that they're trying too hard and not as good and that they need to go in a different direction instead of remaking what's already been done... which is what the current MCU films are doing, just not the way that HiTop wants.
Basically, it's a Damned-If-You-Do, Damned-If-You-Don't situation, and HiTop is the one who is going to damn the films.
@@BioGoji-zm5ph couldn't have said it better myself...
And hiself
Jared Bradley nice comment I agree I had to go back to this comment idk why I didn’t get the notification lol
"If I were an optimistic man I would say that they could tell some pretty dramatic and cool stories about the entire world knowing he's Spider-Man. [...] But knowing how the MCU has treated Peter, it will probably be brushed off and somehow turned into a running joke."
This quote of HiTop aged like milk
He still rated NWH low on his Spider-man movie rankings so I'm really curious as to what he'll say in his next video.
And his upcoming new video on NWH is probably going to be that milk
@@uglydude4691 Probably some dumb shit like always
@@Ted_Curtis ?? so much hate lol i rated his raimi trilogy review i think he was right majority of the time
Lol. All these MCU fans really dislike Hitop, huh?
if peter had money problems in this movie
Spider-Man: Home
At least it was before i fucked everything up
Spider-man: Homeless*
RENT!
@@WoodsAreBeautiful you’ll get yo ur rent when you....... FIX THIS DAMN DOOR
Thankfully he did. There's a deleted scene in the movie called "Peter's to-do list". And in one scene he sells his toys for money for the tickets.
Peter's villains also make complete and total sense because the villans are a direct result of the events of the MCU which means street level heros have to deal with the fallout of the world ending events
Right! Spider-Man's threats in the MCU are *supposed* to be a result of the effects of previous, much grander conflicts. That's how he was set up.
Clarence Remy Which in my opinion makes him a true friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Unlike Raimi Spider-Man where he’s literally the only hero in the WORLD like Superman.
i agree but i wish there were more importance on the idea of the upper heroes messed up and now any lower heroes have to deal with it instead of it being specifically tony stark's problems lining up directly with peter parker's problems and peter having to deal with it. For example, in homecoming the vulture has direct problems with tony stark and it just so happens that the vulture's daughter was the girl peter's dating and he just so happened to find out that peter is spider man so the plot can continue. it's unnatural and not realistic for that to happen and seems more like a joke than a actually plot.
Gogeta Jail Time Tobey>>>>>Holland
I don't see how the fact that MCU Spiderman's villains are a consequence of Tony's past actions is a bad thing. It just adds more to Peter's character as Tony's successor. Tony sees Peter as someone greater than he was, and so far both the main villains recognize that he is good and is only doing what's right. They were done wrong by Tony but accept Spiderman to some extent.
Oh god...
*MOM AND DAD ARE FIGHTING AGAIN!*
This made me chuckle a bit. XD
THE GREATEST VERSUS BATTLE EVER
Dammit, it’s my fault. I’m running away!!
Lol jokes on you guys my dad left hehe **sniff** hehe
Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!
The strange thing is that Hi-Top says that Peter being happy at the end is wrong, yet a very similar thing happens in spider-man 2, which hi-top has made a 45 minute long video praising.
not to mention it uhh doesnt go too well with his identity getting revealed lol.
Peter doesn’t necessarily wind up happy at the end of 2.
@@jasoncastlecomedy yes he does
@@masonwright9373 his idol dies and his best friend still hates him. Fuck off back to school kid.
@@jasoncastlecomedy someones angry.
"No lasting consequences"
*glances at after credit scene*
"UHHHHHHHH"
Exactly what I was thinking.
@khandwa style Well, no. The end cred scene of HC was a joke from the get go, it wasn't built up to have a lasting consequence. However with this films mid cred scene it was built up to have lasting consequences so it almost definitely will play a huge part in the next film.
Any lasting consequence in the MCU movies these days are never explored in the movie. They're always treated as a cliffhanger - "how will Peter cope with the entire world knowing who he is? Find out next time, for $xx!"
Just like the point with aunt may finding out who he is. FFH had no interest in exploring the drama that ensued, they're more invested in making the movie easily digestible and we only see the aftermath of the revelation.
It's like that scene in GoT where Jon was about to tell Arya and Sanaa about his lineage and everyone got upset because instead of exploring a very interesting scene they immediately cut away to some other event.
doesn't count apparently
Clearly he left the cinema before that came on XD
Wait, jay makes videos on TH-cam, AND he wants to go on holiday? Those things don’t mix.
Luke Duckworth
Wait, you make comments AND have a life? Those thing don’t mix 👌
@@assassincharmander390 geez dude that's a bit of a antagonizing reply to a joke comment
Msb Koiken
I’m going to tell you a secret
I was also joking 😦
@@assassincharmander390 okay
@@assassincharmander390
Hey hey hey, woah there. That's a bit presumptive of you to say.
You don't know that OP has a life.
Hitop made the point of finding love while grieving, which is the exact same thing which happens in the Toby Maguire with the death of uncle Ben
Oh dang...
He was already in love loooong before the death of uncle Ben, like childhood love. Or am I mixing something?
Ratchellio oh dang
@@genious7714
no you're right
G.M.Arkam you’re missing the fact that Tom Holland spidey also likes his girl before important person dies
Hitop forgot to mention the fact that mysterio was a selfish sadistic psychopath, acting friendly and caring towards Peter in order to get the glasses. He didn't have a relationship. It seemed like it, but it was just an act
Still...Peter gave him the glasses after like 2 hours
@@matthewjgilles7282 bro was down bad
@@unseenasian132 LMAOOOOOOO
You see, he employed this never before heard of highly execution-heavy technique called *lying*
I remember watching the scenes with MJ and Peter trying to flirt with one another and thinking about how well they nailed that awkward hesitant-but-endearing teenage romance aspect of their relationship. It felt like I was watching a flashback to myself in high school.
Also, FFH is set 8 months after Endgame so it makes sense that Peter would have somewhat come to terms with Tony's death enough to move on with his life.
Throughout the movie, you can *clearly* see that, after Iron Man's death, Peter's feeling some kind of way.
Is that a reference to the Hawkeye meme?
A certain kind of way*
🤣🤣🤣
LMAO
Don’t forget Tony doing ‘Tony-like things’
Does his logic mean that when I was depressed I wasn't allowed to get a girlfriend. Caus that's what I did and it helped to pull me out of my depression
Well the thing is did these feelings come out of nowhere for a person you previous ignored or did you have these feelings before your depression started
But That's still not good.. What happens you you two split?(hypothetically speaking) you have to love yourself first. Depression is so easy to fall into. Happiness is hard, that's why you keep fighting for it.
Cherp uwu don’t be a dick.... dick
Cool Arrow90, they didn’t say they depended on the relationship, just that having a loving person in their life helped them feel better.
J_skies, I don’t think that’s really necessarily how these feelings work. You can fall in love even when you get depressed, people with depression aren’t unhappy 24/7, hormones still work. It doesn’t have to have pre-existing feelings, in fact, wouldn’t the feelings disappear due to depression based on your logic?
Does this guy not know that everyone knowing Peter's secret identity is his worst case scenario? In comic Civil War everyone knowing literally ruined Peter's life.
I feel like Spider-man getting doxxed is a pretty big consequence.
MarioGMan25 *THOSE THINGS DONT MIX!*
I feel like there are better stories if that didnt happen, but theres also another way those stories could happen, if Talon appears as if hes peter and Peter is in one of his spidey suits, then the real Peter will have to be extra careful about his identity around people who dont already know it
Well, he is getting framed by Mysterio. In my opinion that's not really a consequence, it's just a villain doing his thing. They're probably going to find an easy way to solve this problen in the next movie, like having a Skrull stand next to Peter Parker or the other way around.
@@DevilKiller994 It is a consequence.
It doesn't matter if that gets de-bunked with help from Skrulls. Peter's life is changed forever because his name and identity have been linked to Spider-Man publicly. If Peter had not given up the glasses and/or stopped Beck earlier, then his identity would be safe.
There is a clear line from how Peter's moments of indecision/weakness led to the consequence his secret identity being revealed. He now has to live with himself and his loved ones having potential targets on their backs at all times.
@@TheOneAndOnlyNAB well lets hope they dont turn it into a joke again.
Bro the sentence “after he saved the day and kissed the girl he has the nerve to smile” like bruh 😂
Where’s the context?
Yes how DARE he be happy that someone he really likes just kissed him. HOW DARE HE!
-Kesley- literally the whole video
@@nickk369 How dare he smile after he just killed a guy that was a threat to probably the entire world and right after a girl he liked kissed him..
EVERYONE WOULD'VE SLAPPED HER CMON
Hitop may feel that way himself it's mostly his opinion
I don't think every spiderman movie has to be the same
@kaden3434 no he doesn't. he simply wants it to be more relate and more comic accurate watch his video
@@marveleeditsmarveledits3379 bruh he literally compares everything spiderman related to spiderman 2
@@marveleeditsmarveledits3379 its like heath ledger vs 2019 joker which are completely different takes on the character
the heath ledger fans appreciate it but
raimi spiderman fans cant appreciate that its a different take
@@marveleeditsmarveledits3379 give your balls a tug Hitop fanboy
@@batmang9014 why are you so mad? im just correcting someone. Theres no need to say all that
Note to self: when watching literally anything Spider-Man related avoid the comments at all cost in order to avoid being triggered by something as minuscule as an opinion
Too late lol
i prefer triangles to pyramids heh take my opinion and be offended
@JGFFOX
Exactly, I personally like all 6 live action iterations of Spider-Man that we’ve ever had
@@sdm47 The virgin "bEsT sPiDeY" vs the chad "Favorite Spidey"
@@GaiusIntrepidus
Opinions exist please respect that, I’ve respected your right to your opinion please do the same for me
My opinion is that Maguire and Holland are equal in quality, I love all six Live action Spidey’s from Danny Seagren back in 1974 all the way to Tom Holland in 2021
I’m guessing you’re glad that Tom’s contract with Marvel is ending after No Way Home
"He's grieving Tony and he wants to go on holiday"
Gwen and Aunt May did just that over Peter in the aftermath of the Death of Spider-Man. Does that count for anything?
@Jay Talents I wasn't asking a question about the movie. I was quoting a line Jay said and pointing out how Gwen and Aunt May did a similar thing in the comics and asking if people had a problem with that just as they had a problem with Peter doing just that.
Peter went on holiday after the death of Tony. Gwen and Aunt May went on holiday after the death of Peter in the Ultimate comics. That's all I'm getting at here.
Also he wasn't trying to bone her. Not only are they too young for that but all Peter wanted to do was hang out with MJ and have some quiet romantic time with her. He got her a glass statue gift thing and wanted to give it to her at the top of the Eiffel Tower. That's it. He tells Ned he plans on doing so
I’m pretty sure there was an eight month time skip from endgame to FFH I’ll have to rewatch the beginning
Let`sGo Evolution People seem to forgot that Peter just DIED and then came back to life. That alone could mess him up and him wanting to take a break make sense as a character.
Seriously, how could they make fun of “I don’t feel so good” scene but forget that Peter died in that scene.
@@DullyPrimary comics are an art form and all art forms have some meaning or purpose, especially SPIDERMAN
Let`sGo Evolution they aren’t supposed to be meaningful, but we want them too. That’s why we give a shit about the Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy and other heroes because they are meaningful and flawed and we can sympathize with them. But you don’t understand that do you. Spider Man isn’t truly flawed. All of the problems he faces a third grader deals with. This is SPIDER MAN. A man learning to be a hero and public speaking is a problem. If you were a superhero, you would have problems. Big problems. Not just space aliens and super problems but problems that humanize him. Problems that put the man in spider man. This movie doesn’t recognize and that’s was makes it bad... BUT A SURE GOOD ENTERTAINING FILM TO WATCH!
Relatable problems Peter has:
Insecure
Wanting to find love
Awkward speaker
Suffers from grief of his father figure
High expectations from others
The safety of friends and family
No money problems
Getting suits handed to him
Doing basically nothing and then suddenly getting girl's attention twice
Having help at all times
I'm sorry, I just don't enjoy this Spider-Man as much. I'm not a Raimi fanboy, and I think Holland is good actor, but he doesn't feel too Spider-Man, and it isn't his fault. It's the scripts' and Sony's.
OmniAster 0 he actually has to sell his toys enable to have enough money to buy MJ the gift. It’s a deleted scene and it’s coming with the Blu Ray release. There’s your money problems
I'd say he still has them even though they're not as prevalent
He did enough good to get iron man's attention but got the suit taken away when he was abusing it. The black suit isn't all that special. The ending suit he had to build himself
He talked to her and got to know her which might've made her like him
He still gets called out for screwing up and in the end does most of the work anyway.
I disagree. This does feel like spider-man. Not exactly like previous incarnations but still a version of spiderman
+OmniAster 0
1. There’s a deleted scene which has Spider-man selling toys to get money which will be added in the Blu-ray version. Also his father figure was fucking Iron Man and they were very close, probably close enough for Tony to give him a free card for money problems. Not Raimis fault for literally being the only fucking super hero to exist in his world.
2. Dude, Tony needed someone in Civil War to take down his friends without any harm. He just prepared him something actually made for combat instead of normal clothes. Also because of the event of Homecoming, Tony trusts him enough to build his own suit with his latest technology. The newest suit he gains is literally nothing special from his normal suit, it’s just made for night missions. Then he finally makes his own suit
3. Literally protects MJ from being murdered by robots and she secretly liked him too but okay
4. Peter is apart of S.H.I.E.L.D, why the fuck would he not ask for help. Why does everything need to be a 1v1 showdown vs bad guy or good guy in order to prove how manly he is? Anybody would request for backup in dangerous situations. He’s just a teenager going through some tough shit man.
Seriously, all of this is explainable but your just not looking hard enough
OmniAster 0 I should mention that the first 15 minutes or so of this film were cut at the last minute and made into a short for the blue ray. And one of those scenes has Peter have to sell virtually all of his belongings to get MJ that jewelry. While you could argue they shouldn’t have cut it the fact it’s being made into a short means it’s still canon
The "Mysterio Acid Trip" is literally the best scene in the movie
No
Yes
Yes, because apparently I have to reply after 7 months.
Yes it shows what Hitop said there weren't, consequences, self doubt, grief, man doesn't know what is anything but raimi movies
Its so cool. And it plays into Pete's progression later when he learns to use his spidey sense
People really be like:
Nooooo, Tom Holland's spiderman is bad! There aren't any consequences for his actions
**Tom's spiderman suffers consequences for his actions**
OMG, he is so irresponsible!!!1!!1!
i mean he did faced consequences in homecoming because of his actions as spiderman
lost his first crush and literally destroyed her family because of her father
and he learned his lessons by denying for the suit at the end
but in far from home there is really no consequences if you ask me
movie was a fun comedy popcorn grab at best
it was enjoyable but story was bad like spiderman 3
i don't have a problem with peter going to vacation i think normally anyone would do that but iron man's death didn't really impacted him throughout the movie
it was mentioned like few times but it didn't really impacted peter he was just normal peter like in homecoming
in spiderman 2 uncle ben's death impacted peter he was suffering
in amazing spiderman 2 peter suffered from gwen's death aswell
if they want tony as a father figure for peter why didn't they focused on iron man's death it just kinda shows you they don't really care that much
they want the movie to be lighthearted but they don't really focused on the main thing that could've been the keypoint of ffh which was the main problem of the movie for me
peter didn't really learned anything in ffh it was the same peter that we saw in the beginning of the film
in every spiderman movie peter always learned something like in sm1,2,3 tasm,1,2,sm homecoming and in spiderverse with miles
ffh was pointless in my opinion though the ending with everybody knowing peter's identity was like the only consequence in the movie
other than that the movie wasn't bad but if you miss the whole thing and just watch like the post-credit scene
you don't really miss anything it was that pointless though its just my opinion
@@sarjeshkhadgi2841 They did focus on Iron Man's death, what do you mean, his whole lesson was that the heroes he looks up to are flawed and he should stop comparing himself to them, trying to replace Stark, and just be the best he can be, that's not pointless.
@@sarjeshkhadgi2841 so giving mysterio the glasses was not a bad decision?
@@sarjeshkhadgi2841 I mean. All of the movie is about consequences. About how Peter makes mistakes (and that's alright) and how he has to learn from them.
They did focus on Tony's dead a lot. In fact, that's one of the reasons Peter goes on vacation. Because he's still sad about that and with all the stress he is living he wants to run away from his responsibilities which later pays off as a consequence
@Batx01234 LOLXD and aren't people allowed to make mistakes? That's what makes spiderman the most human superhero ever since he appeared in the comics.
His mistakes and how he learns from them. Instead of being a perfect superhero. All versions of spiderman have been irresponsable even after Uncle Ben's death, and that's alright. That's the reason everybody loves spiderman
The moment he said Peter doesn't have any consequences I clicked off. I was like "bruh did we watch the same spiderman?"
What consequences? And compare them to the last 2 iterations of spider-man. Oh, and giving away the glasses that were literally gifted to him by Tony Stark who is now dead. He literally thought mysterio was the same level as Tony Stark and deserved the access to everything Stark created. What a dumb fuck of a move. Isn't Peter supposed to be a genius? He just comes off as a idiotic preteen who doesn't care about responsibly other than giving "mj" a peck on the lips like a 10 year old. I don't hate Holland but Hitops made some good points
Shane Daniel HiTop made literally zero good points. I can see why you like him in that case, since you haven’t either.
Shane Daniel did you even watch the fucking video? The end credit scene is more of a consequence than anything in the maguire movies. Gwens death is up there too, but Peter’s identity reveal is much more impactful on him than anything in the first three movies
@@RM-cn8pw what points would you like me to make? You're biased which is your problem. So you'll deny anything that puts the Raimi trilogy in a positive light. If you think Tom Holland is a "good spider-man" then that's you. But there's a reason many people don't think he is. I care more about who's under the mask, which Raimi nailed. I care more about what is going on in Peter's life because I can relate more to someone having trouble paying rent, trying to pass college, being late or skipping out on friends because of other responsibilities and just torn on what to do. I can't relate to a preteen who wants to kiss a girl he barely talked to all of a sudden and can't enjoy a vacation. Boohoo. You have a responsibility, put on your mask and figure it out, that's who spider-man is. Not a cry baby who just wants to enjoy a vacation instead of it being inturupted to "save the world" instead. The kid is annoying who got everything handed to him. Just doesn't have the same impact.
Shane Daniel “You’re biased which is your problem.” Not sure where, other than your ass, you got that I’m biased, because not only am I not, but I haven’t even displayed anything that would telegraph that I am.
HiTop v. Jay: Dawn of Pizza Time
Oh no! Doctor Connor’s class!
Will Hi-top fix Jay’s DAMM DOOR?!
This shouldn’t be, someone vs someone. This is someone criticizes someone else bc of how they interpret something. It’s kinda dumb. This is a little unnecessary
@@LegitDalton I miss the part where that’s *my* problem.
Maguire memes; gotta love em
I think when you're grieving is absolutely the time when you want to go on vacation and fall in love. If you fill up your life with other things, you can distract yourself temporarily from your grief. Maybe that's not the best idea, but people do it for sure.
100% ty, I was hoping someone other than me thought that.
HiTop says he loves Spider-Man,but his love seems to stem mostly from the Raimi verse and not the comics or other media.
Safe to say he doesnt prefer anything akin to mcu phase
Which is kind of ironic because he praised the hell out of Spider-Man ps4, miles morales, into the spider verse as well as across the spider verse.
"He wants to go on vacation AND hes greiving? Those dont mix!"
Boy did you even WATCH the movie?! He wants to go on vacation BECAUSE he's greiving!
but it really doesn't mix, grief should be interpreted as some sense of drama, some sense of deep moral conflict but FFH is literally just him having a ton of fun while vaguely remembering that Stark is dead like three times in the entire movie
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 his entire motivation for taking the vacation is to try to move on...and three times is plenty in a movie
@@Evil_Monologues yeah, once looking at a mural of stark, once he talks about it with mysterio, and then he cries to happy, its only brought up when the plot demands it
and its funny how he's only JUST grieving about Stark, oh he's the youngest person to ever go to space? to fight Thanos on a planet and the possibility of never coming back? not word about that, didn't seem phase him at all, but iron man dies due to his own sense of honor and somehow 8 months later, he's still got a pity dick in his mouth
my point is, this movie should have either focused on Peter grieving, questioning, doubting or its about Peter moving on, being spider-man, being a super hero, learning, not both. because now it just feels like shallow story telling
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 yeah you right, not like a dude with a hero complex would ever repress his pain
Totally
@@Evil_Monologues its a super hero complex that's written poorly,
if i was writing it, i would have focused on Peter's take on ALL the events of endgame, going to space, Tony's Death, returning to earth, how that would affect him, affected the people around him, maybe he actually quits being spiderman for good? that the impact of Endgame was too overwhelming
instead of this movie's failed, jumbled message of "will he be the next iron man?" it should have asked the moral question "will Peter have the strength to continue being Spider-Man?" some kind of impactful message that people could walk away from instead of some holiday MCU episode.
you can't grieve while having the time of your life moving on, you move on AFTER you're done grieving, in my opinion
“Those things don’t mix!” People can have more than one emotion alex
NO, what?!?!?!!!????? I thought Peter Parker wants to be Spider-Man all the time and work his ass to save street folk 24/7!
Yeah they can but this is A MOVIE from start to end, if they don't show it on the screen then it's just lazy writing, people need to stop applying real life aspects and ANALYSE the movie as a critic
Lui But they did show it on screen? And why would we not apply real life aspects? Peter is a human being who experiences real emotions of course it’s necessary to incorporate real life aspects
@@natascha701 the direction of the movie is everywhere, we explore a side of Peter where he gets ptsd from endgame and mysterio, very little of that gets explored in favour of more cheap comedies and set piece actions
The way u say it makes it sound like you're willfully turning a blind eye on the fact that the movie chose to ignore the more damaged Peter in more screen time of klutzy Peter in his journey to confess to mj and call out strike drones on Brad. The fact that they mentioned that he's broken, but don't invest the time to let the viewers see the severity of it shows lazy writing
Lui But during the movie Peter is trying to move on from Tony’s death. He’s still a teenager and wants to hang out with his friends but the movie also shows him tackling the consequences of what he has been through while on the trip. There are multiple scenes where they show how broken he is by Tony’s death. There is the scene where he sees Tony’s mural, whenever people mention Tony to him he looks broken up about it, and most importantly the scene with Happy where he breaks down. The scene with Happy shows his lowest most damaged point so I don’t see how you think they don’t show this side of him. His whole arc is based of the consequences of Tony’s death and the negative effects it has on him, so I don’t think the movie shies away from that aspect at all
The one thing I agreed with HiTop on was Aunt May finding out. At the end of Homecoming we were left on that cliff hanger and I was so excited to see whatever conversation between her and Peter would follow, since that has never been on screen before. But it was totally glossed over! I was quite disappointed tbh >.
Yeah but if you think about it to be honest, it makes complete sense that she is fine with it. The time difference between FFH and homecoming in canon is like 7 or 8 years which is soooo much time for aunt may to come to terms with Peter being Spider-man. I can respect your opinion though and I just hope to god that they don’t do the same thing in no way home. I hope that they actually make peters identity being revealed be meaningful and impact the story coz it could work really well.
@@itsinstinct_6756 Wasn't Peter dead for five of those years?
@@adamcdonald240 yeah but she could’ve reflected on it whilst he was dead thought “hey he was saving the world” and accepted it
@@itsinstinct_6756 she was gone too
@@adamcdonald240 I don’t think she was or at least if she was they didn’t make it very clear
“Peter doesn’t have any lasting consequences.”
That aged well.
You're telling me.
So criticising FFH for portraying spider-man with no consequences and then a sequel comes out where they fixed that one issue makes the argument of FFH not having it age badly? Like my dude its still a big as flaw in FFH and HC
@@mboy9856 way to twist the point... U must be hitop himself
I meant this comment as a joke but seeing how that wasn’t appreciated let’s address the topic at hand:
Peter not only faced consequences in FFH but consequences are an integral vehicle to the Home storyline so making the statement that he doesn’t in relation to FFH is flat out wrong and neglectful of FFM’s purpose as a middle entry of a trilogy.
In HC Tony is Peter’s safety blanket, the man he aspires to be, a mentor and father figure and literally the man who catches him when he’s in over his head. The climax of the film is about proving that Peter isn’t in over his head, that he is in some capacity capable of handling challenges and trials without Tony there to cushion him.
FFH’s job in this scenario is to challenge this position and throw it off balance. There’s no Tony and while he does have a Stark suit Peter is facing an opponent with Stark level tech and is actively trying to kill him all while having to deal with the loss of his mentor and it shows in how much Peter fails. Throughout the whole film Peter falls for Beck’s deceptions, even letting himself believe that he’d won against a guy whose entire arsenal is built around illusions by killing him. Everything in FFH is a mounting series of consequences that he barely manages to save himself and more importantly the people around him from suffering until he can’t.
HC’s job was to establish that Peter can handle himself in the dangerous situations he finds himself in and FFH’s job was not just to put Peter’s capacity to protect himself to the test but his ability to handle the repercussions of his actions on those around him and like any good middle entry the answer is no. Peter’s consequences keep spiralling further from his reach until there’s no containing them and the spill over is immediately apparent. You shouldn’t need NWH to put Peter through hell for 2 and a half hours to recognise the impact that FFH’s ending has on not just him but everyone he cares about. NWH’s job was not to finally grind Peter into the dirt for trying to be Spider-Man and Peter Parker because FFH already did, it’s job was to ask Peter if he was ready to truly be Spider-Man and to test his growth both as a hero and as a young man.
Peter had to grow from an unproven kid who Tony didn’t think was capable of handling the physical threats in his life to a young man prepared in body and heart to not only stop the darkness in his world but the darkness in himself. The Home trilogy is about Peter’s internal growth from a kid who never even had to address the idea that he may kill someone to a young man who conquered his own rage and grief to save the man who killed the mother figure of his life.
Those extremes needed an in between period. A period where Peter could be confronted by, struggle against, and ultimately lose too the spill over of danger that comes with being Spider-Man. Before he could be pushed to the absolute limit, before he could be so full of grief and rage to take a life, the optimistic and gentle Peter Parker from HC had to realise it wasn’t just him at steak. He had to realise being Spider-Man would affect those round him.
He had to learn there would be consequences. He had to go through Far From Home.
In the very movie he's criticizing, which is one moment I'm kind of surprised Jay didn't bring up, Peter decides to throw away the responsibility given to him by Tony by entrusting Tony's computer glasses to Mysterio, thereby giving him control of Tony's tech, and it's only after this happens that it's revealed Mysterio is not the man we were lead to believe he was throughout the film. Basically, one of the biggest consequences Peter faces in the movie is accidentally giving the villain the upper hand by giving him the very tech he could use to defeat him while in a moment of weakness. But, yeah, he totally doesn't face any consequences for his actions throughout the entire film. 🙄
One thing that I don't understand is how this dude says that "Peter doesn't have relatable problems" when relatability is subjective. One person can see Peter as a mirror image of themselves, another can see Peter as their polar opposite the same way black and white are.
Nothing can be subjective with HiTop apparently
@@michaelwinchester5003 yeah that's the sad part about most of his spiderman videos lately
@@JayTechZM hes basically the biggest raimi fanboy out there. I actually like the raimi spiderman 3 films, but not to like a soul touching level though.
@@prosplays3443 I like those movies also, but as most movies are, the series is massively flawed. HiTop's judgement on most movies is heavily weighted towards raimi's work
Im sure what he implied was that in Far from home Peter's problems aren't as common as compared to the Raimi trilogy.. Still though you're not wrong about relatability being subjective.
Why do people keep saying it's unrealistic to go on a vacation in Europe?
Fury clearly implied that he organised it.
But also, how much does HiTop think a plane ticket costs? Peter could have worked a summer job or gotten money from his "Stark Internship." May probably isn't rolling in money, but she could have paid for one plane ticket + hotel fees, especially if the school trip was under some group rate. Maybe there was a fundraiser. This is not a big deal.
@@TheJadedJames yeah a trip to venice and london arent expensive at all, not at all
@@chanovia5912 I'm not saying it is cheap. I'm saying it isn't a plot hole that Peter could afford it. He has connections. Aunt May doesn't exactly come off as struggling financially (she's running a charity at the start of this film). I don't think it is out of the question that she dropped a thousand dollars or so on a plane ticket or that Peter could have extra money from working for Stark, or there could have been a fundraiser to help as many kids as possible afford the trip. Nick Fury later took over the vacation and was paying for them to do unexpected extra stuff.
@@TheJadedJames a big thing about peter is that he has money problems tho
@@sizzlyy6298 obviously Peter has money problems as he doesn't eat or drink at all in the movie! ✌🏻
I actually loved the part when he does that little "victory gesture" on the bridge after getting the Kiss from MJ.
And I think it is totaly relatable. Saving the world from Mysterio was something he had to do. Kind of forced into. It was him taking responsability as well for his own misstakes. He would much rather be doing something else. But getting that Kiss from MJ. That is a personal want. Something he has longed for for many months. (And even asking MJ out scares Peter more than facing a homocidal megalomaniac in a battle which could have fatal consequenses most likely) To him that Kiss was the true victory.
I don't see how anyone have a problem relating to that.
1Dreamking I also like when Peter loses a battle in the film. It feels like he really a teenager having to fight a battle way over his head. He doesn’t know what to do without help from iron man or a big hero.
I’m sorry but I think mj was just there to make it relatable.
1Dreamking
If *I* were the director, I’d have changed the camera position to be parallel to and ON the bridge, facing him as he walks away, showing a gleeful body language, a giddy smile, and him starting to hum/whistle... *Come and Get Your Love* ...
And when the lyrics start, you change to a little montage of him and MJ together, or smth, with him carrying her while he swings through the city, too; oh, and she sings the lyrics with him too...
And you leave the after-credits... unchanged
*That’d be perfect, as all things should be*
@@nicholasleclerc1583 Thanos wants to know ur location
William Anderson , someone didn’t watch the video and has the same opinions as high top~
hi-top: „Peter doesn’t face consequences for his actions.“
Literally the next Spider Man movie: „Peter faces massive consequences for his actions.“
He faces consequences throught FFH too it didn't age well as soon as he made that point
Bruh go watch his video he literally addressed that lmfao
@@timje2223 And he still bitched and moaned about it.
@@optillian4182 nah he didn't but ok
@@timje2223 Yes he did.
17:58 You're going on holiday? Good thing you're not grieving or else that would be physically impossible
one time I was sad while on holiday and physically combusted
Megan how did you survive?
@@whateverifeellike9214 CGI probably
avery petterson yeah that makes sense
Darkrai's Victim I like hit top films but I know someone who lost there husband to cancer and she had young kids the next thing she did was go on vacation she wanted to get away from it all and she couldn’t afford the vacation but she did it anyway her kids were very young but yeah I think people go on vacation after a death in the family a lot to try and just escape reality
"He doesn't learn anything"
It's not like the whole concept of the movie is about how Peter needs to question who he trusts and to believe in himself rather than letting others do the dirty work for him...
I problem with that message is that it contradicts Spider-Man's character. A big trait of Spidey is his independent nature, not to mention he's supposed to be really smart. Spider-Man never had to "realize" that he should do things on his own, he just got crap done himself... Because he learned to be responsible with his powers after the death of his uncle... Why does nobody seem to remember this?
@@zach3861 But Spiderman in comics or in the movies?
oh yeah handing mysterio the glasses after talking for 2 days, very smart mr spidey.
@@zach3861 Raimi Peter in Spider-Man 2 literally throws his suit in the trash and quits being a hero because he...wants to live an easier life and not be burdened by such heavy responsibilities. Gee. I wonder what people think of that movie?
People do not perfectly follow their self-imposed morals and conduct every waking moment. Everybody gets tested, struggles with how much responsibility they want to shoulder, and their decisions AFTER making mistakes or hesitating are what defines them.
Also, MCU Peter is actually more responsible/justified than Raimi Peter because MCU Peter knows he's in a world filled with superheroes. While Peter in Spider-Man 2 is the only superpowered hero in the world (as far as he knows).
TheOneAndOnlyNAB Um no. The difference is that Raimi actually displays the emotional aspect and of Spider-Man ruining his life. He gets fired from his job, his best friend pretty much hates him, the girl he loves; loves him back but due to the responsibility he has he friend-zones her and she understandably can’t believe it (plus from MJ’s perspective “he can never even make her play as a friend”). The announcement of her marrying someone else doesn’t help btw. This stresses him out so much he starts losing his powers. But even then it took his doctor telling him “Maybe you’re not supposed to be Spider-man climbing these walls” This convinces him losing his powers is a sign to stop being Spider-Man. In the end, Far from home doesn’t care about developing his relationships and how they impact his life along with being Spider-Man. Every relationship is temporary and it’s only purpose is as running gag.
Did HiTop not watch the part where Peter feels some sort of way?
😂😂😂😂
Yes, but the very 99.9% other part of the movie is just funny guy peter, and stupid jokes. There’s a time to get serious, and there’s a time to kinda be funny. They need to find that balance. He doesn’t hate Tom he just doesn’t like how the script portrays the character.
@@JoJo-lj6kk Yes, funny guy Peter, who is all but explicitly suffering from PTSD and the main crux of the movie is his insecurities being used by a toxic manipulator is so, so free of internal drama.
No, all the drama here gets showcased with fireworks, just with this thing called comic relief. May have heard of it, it's what the MCU does as part of a brand that had some mild success.
khandwa style comic relief is Spider-Man’s middle name. He’s been a sarcastic, joke cracking, quick witted character since his inception. There are versions of Spider-Man that are very serious, and even times when peter Parker is very serious, but Spider-Man is overall an extremely comedic character.
@khandwa style that's a great opinion but I'm in the group that far prefers it
And after No Way Home, HiTop still refuses to make a fair analysis of MCU Spider-Man. Still just compares it with the Raimi movies, and even though NWH gave him literally everything he said he wanted, he still grasped for things to complain about, and they were all really, really small things that he turned into a much bigger deal than they were.
Why would he judge MCU Spider-Man fairly? We all know he is a pretentious contrarian who is too attached to nostalgia to enjoy anything put out by the MCU. I guess it gives him a ton of views by hating absolutely everything.
This is the same guy that hated infinity war but praised age of ultron
@@Lidoe infinity war is the goat. I get that there are problems with it, but that is hands down the best mcu film
Spiderman ps4 shows that it's not just nostalgia. MCU just doesn't respect Peter Parker enough. SM ps4 showed you can make a modern spiderman with gadgets and what not without sacrificing any of the core that makes Peter Peter
@@Lidoe also the same guy who like WW84 and Birds Of Prey
Also, that sequence with the Peter tingle in the dark hallway, where he has to close his eyes? There's something about it that gives me classic Spidey nostalgia, it made me absolutely giddy in the theater. It's one of my favorite sequences in the mcu
All the fights make it one of my favs on it's own. MCU Spiderman can be really creative and unique with the webbing and unique fighting style he uses
Did you just unironically use "Peter tingle"?
“you can’t trick me anymore”
GROWTH
@@Kevin-fk6jy *proceeds to get tricked
@@tjknightWTF No he doesn't
"Wh-people having MORE THAN ONE emotion while grieving? NO, THATS NOT HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO BE"
Yes afterall this is a movie and they tend to revolve around the same theme to show a point.
At this point this movie clearly wanted to be a happy fun movie.
Separately, I want to point out that the "fear that he is not good enough" has an official name. It is called "imposter syndrome" and when people who are totally qualified to do whatever it is they are doing somehow feel inadequate compared to their peers and that people are going to find out sooner or later. I had it when I first entered my profession and that is clearly what Peter is suffering from here. At the end of the movie, he was happy to be the friendly neighborhood spiderman and he had every intention of going back to that when Thanos was defeated, but then iron man died and for now the public is looking to HIM to lead the avengers instead of any of the other avengers. He feels like an imposter and that's what makes it so easy to Mysterio to trick him.
Honestly I feel like the movie hits you over the head with that message so you'd have to be trying really hard to miss this.
It's funny how he said 2 years ago how the sequel is going to play off his identity being revealed as a joke, but the trailer dropped a couple of weeks ago and it tooks like it's going to be the main point 😂
Wait...you're going on holiday, Jay? But I thought you were sad?
Yeah! He totally can't do *both* right?
@@user-wo5tc9ux7u The movie takes places 8 month after Endgame so that is quite alot of time and we don´t exactly know when uncle ben died. At some point people have to move on and have to get their life together again if it set like two days or even threemonth I would agree but he has some time and still thinks about Tony alot which is the basis of the movie.
@@user-wo5tc9ux7u You're right Mr. Mental Health Expert! Who has ever heard of people pushing away what makes them sad and focus on what makes them happy, never realizing that not talking about it is just having negative effects on their sanity!?
SERIOUSLY!?!?! WHO HAS EVER HEARD OF THAT!?!?! ESPECIALLY IN REAL LIFE!?!?!?! REAL PEOPLE DON'T DO STUFF LIKE THAT!!!
@@boshwa20 I know from experience that's not how people react so soon after multiple people you love have left you. I doubt you'd know much about it because you're most likely a 7 year old who's favourite movie is endgame.
Far from home takes place 8 months after endgame. 8 months. I think after 8 months peter may be past the point of constantly crying\grieving over tony.
I actually like a lot of Hitop's videos, but whenever he starts shitting on MCU Spider-Man I end up disagreeing with most of his points.
Sometimes i don't understand how he thinks.... Maybe you can read his mind!?
😂get it!? Because Martian manhunter read minds
@@chrisp.9385 sorry PewDiePie killed you...
Get it, cuz you're Water Sheep
@Gundamn Mechas i was your 100th like. It just feels so satisfying seeing the triple digit form lol
Arthur Pilgram yea his batman stuff is some of the best video essays
Gundamn Mechas same bro
Hitopfilms: FFH doesn't have consequences.
Me: Peter gets framed for all the destruction and death and then his identity is revealed.
Hitopfilms: that's not good enough.
Most of the consequences are things that happen in the MCU not in the Spider-Man movies, the consequences have always been oh some hero in the MCU did some shit and now Peters gotta deal with that, Hitop is talking about Peter doing a mistake and that has consequences.
But it is good to see that because he gave the glasses to mysterio that bit him in the ass hard
@@ubermaster134 Yeah, that's his mistake that lead to him being framed. But like I said it still isn't good enough for him. This.consequence of being framed completely affects him and likely may.
Trusting Mysterio, the initial screw ups trying to get with MJ and all the screw ups getting with in Liz (Homecoming), not being honest with Stark in Homecoming......he had consequences based on his choices. Sounds pretty accurate to Spider-Man. Again Hi Top criticism just feels he didn’t get exactly what he wanted and still mad that Raimi isn’t directing Spider-Man anymore.
@Spider-Blox by trusting Mysterio with the Legacy Stark left for him, Peter did open himself up to all the shenanigans. Also revealing his secret ID wasn't the best thing either.
@Spider-Blox All do respect to your view, it's still a result of a choice Peter made, whether he was tricked into it or not. It's still something he'll hopefully learn from for Spider-Man 3: Home-Less... Subtitle pending.
"it's all done in a computer, no practical effects, nothing tangible for me to grab on to"
this seems like an almost poetic way of describing the horror peter felt during that sequence, but instead it's being used to criticize the movie. incredible.
When he said that I had the urge to say “that’s the point”
@@jakeswierdfriend7204 the point comes at a shitty cost then, if a freeze frame makes everything including your protagonist look artificial
@@IMAFUCKINPOTATO ah yes because when I watch my movies I love to see them one frame at a time
@@IMAFUCKINPOTATO it was a Mysterio nightmare-
It's CGI in canon, why are we requiring it to look grounded?
The idea was to torture Spidey!
@@mrpedrobraga well it's rather simple, if the intent was to trick peter to think the illusions are real, why not trick the audience too by making the effects pratical? it just makes a lot of sense from a filmmaking standpoint, and would only add to the experience.
One thing I can agree with hi top on is that I wish they had given Uncle Ben more of an effect on Peter, seeing how big of a character he usually is in Spider-Mans life
Exactly. If you make it all about Peter struggling with his conflicting feeling for Ben and Tony, and at the end he chooses Ben rather than Tony then boom! Better Spider-Man movie
Scrabdusan Productions
What does that have to do with the film though? Why choose between tony or Ben? They were both mentors to him and they both taught him different things.
@@changyang1498 right, but if Pete had to choose between them, in the comics he'd choose Ben 100% of the time. However in the movie it seems like he'd choose Tony. They need to dispell that misconception before people stop caring about uncle ben as the true mentor of Spider-Man
@@scrabdusanproductions2104 i feel its okay not to have uncle ben in the mcu because its called subverting expectations and if lets uncle ben just shows up in the third movie it would create the plot holes
People forget that Ben is the reason Peter helps Tony in civil war. He feels like he failed his uncle by not using his powers responsibly, losing Tony compounds that failure. He keeps failing and loses his way because he believes in expectations of himself that don't exist. He believes he needs to be the men Ben and Tony were, instead of being the best Peter he can be.
HiTop Films just had too much Pizza Time that day.
You can never have too much Pizza Time. 🍕
HiTop is a moron who, ironically, thinks he's smarter than everyone else.
@@3dtom
No, but he's just mad cuz this isn't an exact Raimi reboot
3DTOM He never says anything like that. Check the original video.
@@bluefire9147 I did, and he does
I guess he wanted a movie where Peter sits in his room and cries from beginning to end. Because apparently that's the only way to deal with losing a loved one.
i would have applauded sony for their balls, tbh
The Unholy Smirk you mean marvel.
@@marvelousmeyer48 doesnt sony get creative control? sry im not 100% well versed in who owns what
The Unholy Smirk Marvel does all the creative stuff. Sony just markets and releases the film. Don’t worry it’s a common misconception
@High Definition he even says that it's the best superhero movie ever made, it really isint though.
I think my main problem with Hi-tops criticism of Spiderman Homecoming and Far From home is that he just simply compares it to older Spiderman movies while there’s nothing inherently wrong about doing that its just that he does it a lot and that concerns me because he most likely has an nostalgia bias when it comes to modern takes of Spider-man.
You said it best, if you take something and compare it to the best of course it's not gonna be great, the Peter we have now isn't the best, but he has potential to be, that should be the takeaway, i remember when Hitop said that he wishes they had made Peter be a veteran and had been Spider-man for years, that wouldn't fit in with the rest of the MCU, like, the avengers saw this superpowered and smart kid and said "nah he ain't even worth documenting", it's better for the MCU if we saw his origin
yeah
This. Picking something you like and comparing with something older just takes the joy out of something new. Its a new take, treat it like one.
the issue seems to be that he has no concept of what a good spiderman movie is when it isn’t one he’s already seen. can’t speak for the man himself but his video essays on mcu Spider-Man read more like a Venn diagram between ffh and raimi spiderman than an actual critique. he’ll claim that these movies have no consequences or emotional stakes on the grounds that they aren’t the exact same consequences or emotional stakes as other spiderman movies. it’s like he just refuses to give the movie any credit even when it still manages to meet his paper thin standards for what a good spiderman movie is
god forbid fans of COMIC BOOK MATERIAL are annoyed that one of their favourite characters is being depicted for normies, jesus christ. the reason why they are even compared is due to them being the same FUCKING character, of course they are going to be referenced and compared, how can that be a problem to you?
Soldier's can't come home happy because thousands of people died
"We are not soldiers"
@@silverknight2152 i understood that reference
Ness
PTSD exists
Adam Rolston but not for every solider, some can still come home happy
Silver Knight
“I’ll do YOU one better” :
“WE’RE ALL SOLDIERS NOW”
WAIT, THEY DID SHOW HE HAS MONEY PROBLEMS! HE HAD TO SELL ALL HIS TOYS TO GET JUST ENOUGH CASH FOR THE TRIP!
Spyder Mbx Well then look at Civil War when Tony points out that Peter goes through trash to make his stuff. Or how he has an outdated iPhone by like 3-4 years in Homecoming which is 2017. He lives in a small apartment. Tony didn’t magically move them in to a mansion either.
@@appal5052 this is invisible to all Raimi fans tho
@Spyder Mbx still considered canon tho.
It was deleted so stfu
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Hi Top: The movie has no lasting consequences.”
“But Hi Top, what about the part of the movie with a very explicit lasting consequence?”
Hi Top: “It uh....doesn’t count.”
(Edit: Gee, there’s a lot of discourse here now. Guess I’ll chip in: whether you like or dislike FFH, I’m just saying that I personally feel like Hi-Top is misrepresenting the film with this sentiment. It’s not fair to criticize a film with what you assume will happen in a future movie, even if you already made clear you dislike the film or the franchise it’s a part of. Hi-Top is making an assumption that I feel is bad movie criticism)
Kenji 64 lol I bet they will play that for laughs. They have never taken anything seriously in these two Spider-Man films
@@shubo4478 are you mokcing hitop ot being sérious ?
spider wolf I’m bein serious lol these films are a joke. They are comedies then Spider-Man films. Aunt May finds out it’s played as a joke. ‘MJ’ finds out it’s played as a joke. Whole world finds out it’s played as a joke. It’s fucking annoying
@@shubo4478 Here's the rub:
In Homecoming, the ending stinger was played as a joke in-moment. The comedic cut-off, the fact that there aren't a huge amount of lasting consequences for only May knowing, the fact that she probably could have easily predicted it anyways based on his interactions with Stark and strange behavior, etc. In Far From Home, it is not treated as a joke. Yeah, the cameo is a bit funny, but there is no possible way for this situation to be treated completely lightly. Peter has been accused of murder, and basically the entire world is out for his head. It is treated like a big deal. Like an "oh shit," moment intended to get people wondering.
@@shubo4478 Who let you out of the special eds class?
HiTop: "He is grieving and trying to find love?!?! Those don't mix!"
Next sentence: "This spiderman isn't relatable"
Everyone grieves and everyone longs for love. It's not relatable to you because you don't want to relate to it, or you have never lost someone close to you. When you lose someone close to you, it feels like a part of you died. Of course Peter Parker is going to try and find love, because he feels lost without Tony.
IMO, grieving and finding love just isn't enough for me to feel sorry for him, there's worse shit they he could have gone through, overall he still went to Europe, he gets a lot of things he wants
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 His trip gets cut heavily he literally gets everything he looked forward to cut short.
@@ArminFalcon no because he still hooked up with MJ with total ease, which is what he wanted, none of his friends got hurt or died, which is a what he wanted, he still gets to keep the EDITH glasses, he still got to travel around Venice, Holland, London etc, so it could have been a lot worse for him, which this movie should have been
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 Travel more like exist there. No "traveling" happened. He was lied to by Mysterio who resembled, to him, Tony Stark. Yeah maybe there should have been some other punishments, but for the most part I really didn't go in a spider-man to see a teenager get his friend killed. I do like the way you're thinking though.Opinions are subjective and at the end of the day if you don't like it that's fine, I just think it deserved a fair shot.
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 He went there wanting to be Peter, not Spiderman, which he didn't get. He didn't get to go to Paris and confess to MJ on the Eiffel Tower. Hell, he only got to enjoy a day and a half of his vacation, after that he was whisked away by Nick Fury and Mysterio to be Spiderman, in a place he didn't want to be Spiderman.
No one died but that's because of him, that was his actions, proving him to be Spiderman. He never wanted the EDITH Glasses, which is why it was so easy for him to give it away. It did not go to plan for him, the only thing he got that he originally wanted from the start of the movie was getting together with MJ
Watching the peter-mj scenes made this spider man the most relatable character in the mcu for me
Even more relatable for teens and young adults
Did a lot to sell me on MCU's MJ too.
those were the most awkward scenes ive ever had to sit through
They are relatable in their awkwardness but peter gets the girl he got Liz he got Mj there was no threat that brad was gonna steal mj you can tell peter will get her in the end. Peter never struggles to get mj.
Justin Carroll yeah MCU Peter has no consequences to when it comes to romance
"He's grieving... but he wants to fall in love and go on vacation? Those things don't mix!"
Fam, if my mum died tomorrow, a holiday and a shag would be definate improvements to my mood.
In fact, a holiday and a shag would be a definate improvement to my mood now. A dead mum wouldn't really change that.
Russell Tietjen
Dude go and actually watch the video instead of taking things out of context to make yourself sound smart
Adam Rolston nothing is taken out of context.
Hey Adam, I thought I'd watch the video on your recommendation, because who knows, you might be right and I might not have the full context of why he said what he said at that part. Having done so, I fully stand by my statement: There is absolutely no reason why a Peter Parker grieving for Tony Stark would not want to fall in love and go on vacation. Those things are not mutually exclusive from each other. The only thing from that part of the video that might change that fact is HiTop Films' immediate statement that the film isn't at all focused on Peter's grief and having watched the film... yes, it is. It, in fact, will not shut up about the fact that Peter is sad that Tony is dead and feeling immense pressure to live up to Iron Man.
However, I do appreciate the advice of checking the source material, just in case I was getting the wrong idea from Jay's video. So thanks, man!
Russell Tietjen
Ok
@@adamrolston526
Hey you accept Loss that's a first I like you now 👍
No homo tho 😘
Just watched this movie minutes ago, it was simply cute as hell. Makes me wish I wasn’t lonely.
I wish you weren't lonely too. I hope things change for the better for you.
You are not alone man. I'm 24 and still haven't been in a relationship. But I'm still waiting with lots of hope. I hope you will find yours too. :)
What a mood
@@gibingeorge3352 Who wouldn't date Garrus Vakarian?! '0'
@@SagelynSeven Someone would, if I was the *real* Garrus. :(
With Spider-Man’s unique character arc within the MCU, it’s becoming more and more apparent how both those two films are heavily based on the early works of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko in showing the different phases Peter has as he grew up
In Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017), Peter was still a boy. He’s already been through the major life-changing turn of events earlier that year such as the radioactive spider bite that granted him superpowers, and the death of his uncle due to Peter’s selfishness that haunts the shit out of him to this day and ultimately drove him to the path of heroism due to the important lesson he learned. But this time around, after his scene-stealing appearance in Civil War where he met all of his favorite superheroes for the first time, we’re exploring the life of Peter Parker and his overall character. He's going around solving low level crimes, he's immature, impatient, childish, and relatively new to everything. His double life as Spider-Man isn't dramatic, it's therapeutic and it’s comedic. He keeps losing his backpack, he gets caught in his Spidey suit, his shenanigans lead him to getting detention, and had his tech suit taken away, which is equivalent to a parent taking away their kid’s phone. The world is constantly beating him to his knees and his sense of self worth as a superhero is based on the Avengers (mostly Tony Stark). It isn't until he's in the rubble that he starts to look inward calling on his strength as Spider-Man to save himself because he isn't defined by a fancy suit, he's defined by his actions. It’s where he truly becomes Spider-Man
In Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019), Peter is starting to fully transition out of boyhood and becomes a young man. He has let go of his first crush and has moved onto a new love he finds in MJ, not because of how she looks or vague descriptions of her just being "the best", but because he likes who she is as a person. He is now in a world where the heroes are scattered as the Avengers appear to be disbanded after the 5 year gap and the events of Endgame. But he's still trying to hold onto a few things by looking for some other hero to look up to so he can have guidance. He has grown out of his desire to be in the big leagues because he's seen the kind of struggle that brings, and his self doubt makes him feel like he isn't up to the challenge. He isn’t quitting being Spider-Man out of fear, he is just trying to remain the rookie he was when Tony first recruited him because the times were much simpler back than (we've all had moments when we wish we could go back to being kids, less responsibilities, etc). It isn't until he learns Mysterio is a fraud and is given words of affirmation from Happy regarding the pedestal the world (Peter included) put Tony on, that he rises to the challenge and proves his capabilities not only to others, but to himself. Happy basically explains to Peter Parker that the superheroes that he idolizes (specifically Stark) have flaws and imperfections as well. Tony Stark was flawed, fallible, and struggles with self-doubt much like Peter. The whole point of “the next Iron Man” thing isn’t for Peter to literally become Iron Man, but they want to make Spider-Man as popular of a superhero as Iron Man once was. Kevin Fiege is building Spider-Man up to be the greatest superhero the MCU has ever seen. Spider-Man will create a legacy of his own that’ll eventually overshadow Captain America and Iron Man’s legacies. That’s what the whole movie is about. Iron Man was the face of the MCU, and now Spider-Man is the new face of the MCU. He wasn't alongside other heroes facing the drone army, he was on his own, he used his own intuition, and his own natural superpowers bested upon him from that fateful spider bite to defeat Mysterio and save the day, reigning absolutely victorious.
From what we saw in the recent Spidey flick, Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021), Peter's life is becoming more and more dramatic. The consequences he faces have gone from detention to being framed for murder. His double life is now becoming more conflicting as he tries to hang onto the few good things he's gotten. At this stage in his life, Peter Parker has come a long way from being just a rookie. He even steps away from saying “sir” since he’s already proven himself worthy as a superhero. But yet his childishness and his natural naivety causes him to butcher a spell from Dr. Strange that would erase the world’s memory of Spider-Man’s secret identity. Which also transported super-villains from alternate Spider-Man universes to Peter’s world. But instead of just straight up fighting them, he learns of their fate and how some of them were pulled from their world at the exact moment of their demise. And because of Peter’s altruistic nature, he fights Dr. Strange and traps him in another dimension to save these villains from death. He even developed cures for them with some leftover Stark technology. But in the third act of the movie, things go from horrible to catastrophic as Peter loses his Aunt May at the hands of the Green Goblin. Peter at this point of the movie, feels like a fuckup. He’s gotten bruised, battered, and badly beaten by the Goblin, and the villains turned on him and escaped all because of his mistake with casting the spell. He then starts to even agree with Norman that it’s not his responsibility to even save his enemies, to which case May, before she died in his arms, reaffirms the tragic life lesson Peter learned from losing Ben long ago, which’ll forever haunt him for days to come. (You guys know what to comment. 😉) Now broken and grief-stricken, Peter decided to give up until he meets two older versions of himself from alternate universes who shares similar tragedies with MCU Peter, but encouraged him to keep going as his loved ones would want him to as well. The three Spider-Men work together as a team to cure their enemies, but that’s not even the greatest part of the story. Tobey Maguire’s and Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Men both redeemed themselves in the process. Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man had saved Tom Holland’s MJ from suffering the same fate that killed Gwen Stacy from his universe in an intense emotional and tearjerking sequence that’s won the hearts of many. And as Tom Holland’s Spider-Man, in a fit of blistering fury, viciously lashes out on the Green Goblin and beats him to a quivering pulp, Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man prevents history from repeating itself by stopping MCU Peter from impaling the Goblin with his glider. In the process, MCU Peter cures Norman Osborn just in time to see the multiverse splitting open even further. Tom Holland then makes a grand sacrifice that’ll greatly improve his character further; he asked Strange to cast a new spell to erase the world’s memory of not Spider-Man, but Peter Parker. Which means that no one will remember who he is. And it worked. This part of the movie is where Peter Parker becomes a full fledged Spider-Man. After failing to bring himself to reintroduce himself to Ned and MJ at the donut shop, Peter moved into his own apartment he rented himself, studied for his GED so he can drop outta high school since his school records are lost, he bought a sewing machine so he can sew and stitch together a brand-new homemade Spider-Man suit from scratch, and he swung out of his apartment and into the city of New York where the world will meet its newest defender. Spider-Man has gone from a beaten down young man to a triumphant superhero by remembering the city that needs him and his refusal to give up, no matter the odds or what he thinks about himself. After the buildup over the course of six MCU appearances, meeting different superheroes, learning key lessons from different people in his life, it’s a very comforting feeling knowing that Peter Parker has finally become a strong, independent superhero ready to take on the world. This is an iconic sign of the completion of his journey of adolescence. Spider-Man is here now, and the world is his oyster.
It’s very safe to say that the Spider-Man: Homecoming Trilogy is basically Part 2 of his origin story of Peter Parker becoming a hero. Since Part 1 is the introduction of the character, the radioactive spider bite, the death of Uncle Ben, and the birth of Spider-Man, which we’re gonna see in Spider-Man: Freshman Year, which is currently still in development.
There is a clear arc for MCU Peter as we watch him grow from a boy to a (Spider-) man. And it’s annoying as hell when people call him “Iron Boy Jr” just because Spidey wasn’t in his prime (physically and mentally) immediately after becoming Spider-Man. While I disagree with some changes they made with the character in the past two movies, I absolutely love MCU Spider-Man. His character arc is just awesome to me. Marvel & Sony were actually taking their time to develop their Spider-Man into the Spider-Man we know and love. And with No Way Home performing successfully, we can be assured that his fun hero adventures will definitely continue in his college trilogy in the MCU where we’ll get a more traditional and conventional take on the MCU Spider-Man.
Edit: Wow, I did NOT expect this comment to age surprisingly well. I was halfway expecting for people to disagree with me, but even before NWH, I’m glad everyone was very mature and peaceful about this character analysis. The Spider-Man fanbase can really use more peaceful people like you guys.
PREACH!! THIS NEEDS MORE ATTENTION
So beautiful!
Somebody’s been watching Implicitly pretentious lol.
Couldn’t have said it better myself 👍🏻
well said.
The main problem is that he's not judging it on how to make a great film. He's judging it on how to make a great film like Spider-Man 2.
Yes indeed how dare he compare a Spider-Man movie to another good Spider-Man movie it doesn't make any sense
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Khaled Taha it’s one thing to compare, it’s another thing to judge a movie on another trilogy entirely without looking at what makes an actually great film
@@thehaloscrolls391 Yea but Far from Home is really mediocre you cannot deny that
@@Ryleeman54number2 I do deny it
TFEXY it’s legit a bootleg Spider-Man 2. Fitting with the same story of nothing ever goes right for peter but botched and quickly wrote in with humor and such. Peter suddenly doesn’t know how to use his spidey sen- oh I’m sorry “peter tingle” and depends on that in the ok final battle with mysterio. Michelle Jon- oh god sorry “MJ” finds out Peter is spider man and wants to be with him (just to have the somewhat traditional couple of Peter and MJ which was quick and rushed and never went on about how Peter started to get feelings for MJ because she completely shit on him in Homecoming)and oh wait? That’s what happened at the end of Raimis Spider-Man 2..... #copycat
There actually is a deleted scene where Peter sells a lot of the things in his room in order to be able to go on the field trip
WeNeedLives Productions and it’s cannon, because it’s going to be in a short film, for the Blu-Ray release.
Gojirafreak 567 how do we know that’s apart of the short film
Kyle Campbell I believe it was Jon Watts that said it.
WeNeedLives Productions
Deleted so doesn't count
Adam Rolston Wow, dude you’re everywhere in these comments. Whenever anybody says anything that praises Tom’s Spider-Man, you show up to shit on them for it. Chill, man.
"The mysterio trip was cgi"
MYSTERIO IN THE MOVIE WAS ABOUT CGI
Yes comics mysterio is a practical effects genius, but not in MCU. Did they make this change for the sole reason to help the budget of the film? Probably. Does that change make the scene irredeemable? Nah fam
Okay ur right however the cgi is lacking, cause i knew i was watching cgi
@@matthewlugo2417 that was the point of misterio, it's met to look slightly off, as it a progection not a cgi effect
@@matthewlugo2417 that trip scene could have been the most convincing cgi in history, and you would have known it was cgi, because none of those shots were possible practically
@@matthewlugo2417 that's kinda the point dipshit
@@harrylane4 this guy that I really don't know the name and don't really care, said that the entire universe is cgi and cut the rest of hi top argument but he just did that just for the sake of saying hi top is wrong you can actually see in hi top's video that he says that the effects are great but as he said "call me an old man, I just prefer the real deal" even though he liked the cgi, so come on, watch both videos before saying something
"no relatable problems" his father figure died and he wants to fall in love, those are the two most relatable things known to man
But is it Spider-Man?
@@matthewjgilles7282 yeah
I love how he says they can’t afford to go on the trip even though they literally say that the flight company/ Nick Fury paid for the trip
Exactly his point it's too convenient this spider-man does not deal with problems like the normal high school kid he just has everything handed to him.
@@ivanfl962 that is true.
@@ivanfl962 he is the prodige of a billionaire and litteraly inherited his millions of dollars worth of planetary defences.
@@ivanfl962 go cry me a river how this kid who gets bitten by a spider and develops superhuman abilities 'doesn't deal with problems like the normal high school kid'; he went to space and died there for 5 years but oh no, someone is paying for his class trip so i guess the movie is ruined!
@@tss5320 died for 5 years? more like 1 second because only those that lived get to taste that 5 years while the dead didn't felt a second has passed.
i like your criticisms. they are poignant and insightful. keep up the great work man
Poignant
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History Center did i spell the word wrong?
Snyderverse that’s good to know thank you.
Wow the replies here seem to hate good vocabulary... sorry Andrew
How to criticise Spider-Man: Far From Home: There was no Mr.Delmar
And Murph
0/10 no daughter jokes in spanish
Mr. Delmar isn't suing Peter for the destruction of his shop and I just don't understand why this movie doesn't have an lasting consequences from the previous films
(for those of you at home... That was a joke)
dat_dude_over_there italian*
And no Hannibal Burress
I love Alex's Raimi's Spider Man videos, but I will admit that his dislike towards Homecoming and Far From Home felt a tad unjustified.
Yeah those are agurably very great and well put together but there's just something about his homecoming video And far from home video that come off more than a little surface level. He's not wrong to interpret things differently but it's like he ignores things in movies that don't fit his argument sometimes.
Just a tad?
@@a.p.5342 nope😂
Yep, thought he hated them a bit much for what they were, they are by no means terrible products, just not as interesting to me.
that ''money problem'' it is in deleted scene when he must sell his star wars toys so maybe it will be on blurey
Not really. He should put that money towards the household not a vacation.
Cryptid Fan he probably did both
Cryptid Fan plus, I’d be surprised if Happy and Pepper didn’t support peter financially
Doesn't justify it though.
@@eldritchpumpkinghost2968 Whether you think it's prudent or not, it's still a very realistic thing for someone in his position to do. Is he just never going to go on holiday because the money can go somewhere else?
Most of the time when people complain about Spider-Man it’s usually “Why are they doing things different “ or “ Why aren’t these like the Raimi films “
Exactly
MrSecretSentai not exactly people get upset because the movies don’t pay attention to the core ideals of Spider-Man which Raimi did which is why his movies are often compared too
El Barto nah I think Spider-Man the game from ps4 is the best. I don’t like MCU Spider-Man, but it is fun. But it doesn’t feel like Spider-Man
@@datderpderping501 the MCU Spidey got to get better with the characters.
Agreed. Would you rather watch a trilogy that does the exact samething as its predecessor? Something unoriginal? Or watch a trilogy that does things with spidey that we haven't seen before?
"This is great and all but would you like to hear about our lord and savior Sam Raimi?"
Yes my brudda
I laughed way too hard at this. Thanks 😂
Imma say it. Sam rami spiderman fans are the worst spiderman fans
@@mykephoon5836 nah every Spider-Man fan is terrible can't be peaceful about anything
@The Nerd Gamer 25, what mykephoon said is true, a raimi fan told me to kill my self for liking mcu Spider-Man
He did the same thing with NWH, he only focused on the bad and never mentioned what was good about the movie. He is biased, if the movie isn't the way he wants it to be he hates it.
And yet people are still defending his opinions about these movies, smh….
@@vanblitz7009 It's because they share his feelings and they see him as a mouthpiece for themselves.
@@FerociousPaul Yeah thats true.
Hitop doesn't know how to make good reviews cause he's a fanboy bitch who likes those old ass raimi films which are ass
The only point Hitop made that i actually agree on is about May knowing Peter is Spiderman. Peter in Homecoming emphasizes a lot on the fact that if May knows who he is, she won't let him be spiderman anymore, and there's also multiple meta jokes about May telling Peter to run away from danger even though he does the exact opposite. The scene in the comics works because peter is highly injured and may bursts into tears when she finds out, making the scene very dramatic. But in Homecoming they play the scene as a joke and May just doesn't care. She even encourages Peter to get himself into danger by secretly packing his suit to the trip, and uses Spiderman for her homeless shelter, wich is also played as a joke. So its not really subjective at this point May's character in the MCU is just completely inconsistent.
Tbh, I like it the way it was handled, but I see your point as well.
I am a big fan of the supportive May from the comics a while back now, the one who knows he's spiderman and does everything to unburden him. Because she knows she can't stop him from his perceived responsibilities.
I see what you mean but it would be pretty hard to have it follow on directly considering (from their perspective as they were both snap victims) it’s been a year for them since homecoming. But while I don’t think it’d be easy for them to make her too fretty, and while I can kinda understand that she could accept it as she believes in Peter’s capabilities, I accept your point that her worrying from time to time would make a little more sense in the continuing narrative
@@harrisont2004 I was about to mention the fact that a year passes since she knows as well. You're perfectly right by saying that factors in to how she would react.
To me I think that the year thing is what makes her so chill about him being Spider-Man. We don't get to see if she would have been mad or not or how she would have acted. Now she's fine with him being Spider-Man because she's adjusted to the idea of it. It wouldn't make much sense to push her being upset about it since the 'time frame' for her being upset has basically passed.
However a counter to that is that with the events of Endgame she could bring up the fact that she doesn't want Peter to be a part of this because of all that happened.
But this would sort of make her have a lot of conflict with Peter because you can clearly see that he feels like he could have done something and that he's not good enough and May making him not be Spider-Man is like the worst thing she could do in a situation like that.
The movie had a lot going on. It wouldn't have time for that. But with Peter's identity being revealed, May's feelings on Peter being Spider-Man might come up in the next movie, who knows?
Personally I think it should have a mention but not be a huge thing. Peter has enough going on and for a character that's there to support him beat down on the one thing that he thinks he needs to do...well that's really shitty. I like May being supportive of Peter as Spider-Man because I think right now with everything that's happened and happening, it's what he needs.
I wouldn’t say the homeless shelter scene was played as a joke. Sure there was some funny moments but overall, I feel that the point of the scene was to establish Peter’s fear of responsibility and his fear of becoming the next iron man. For your other points, I see where you are coming from, but I also like where this is going and feel that they could take it somewhere interesting in the next film.
I almost completely agree with you, but it could just be that May now knows that he has all of these powers and can protect himself and maybe thats why she isn’t as worried anymore
What to do when you're depressed according to HiTop:
- get a girlfriend and go on a vacation = HELL NO
- get a weird haircut, dance in the streets and hit on random girls = HELL YEAH
I'm with HiTop but this was funny
@420 that was a joke but ok. Also I like how you attack Jay and his fanbase as if HiTop wasn't a big manbaby blinded by nostalgia who hates every new version of Spidey becuase they aren't like the cringe version from Raimi.
@420 except his arguments against MCU Spidey are irrelevant, he sounds like a pissed fanboy that the things didn't happen the way he wanted to, and Jay stated why HiTop's wrong
Tobias Rieper “Oh this character doesn’t have an uncle, that now means he can’t be the same character”, do you know of this word called “adaptation”? You also complain about him not being relatable, mentions something Jay literally states in the video being relatable, and then discard it. And you bringing one up after the other makes it seem like you’re saying that his uncle dying is what made him relatable? Which just makes no sense at all.
@Tobias Rieper I'd say not making Uncle Ben an absolutely ballsy move and you shouldn't bash the studio for doing that.
Besides, didn't Spider-man PS4 do that?
Also about being "iron boy"... the entire movie is about him not being iron boy. He doesn't think he can be the next iron man, Happy doesn't say he can bevthe next iron man, etc. but the movie does one iron man callback and suddenly the movie is contradicting itself?
I'm pretty sure the very fact that he didn't pick any of the suits iron man designed for him and he desigmed his own was enough to say that peter is his own person
Peter's suit was actually really-well thought out. In the infinity wars and at the charity event in Far from Home, the suit Peter wears is metallic, as if he's a wanna-be Iron Man. However, the suit he designs for himself is very organic, representing his acceptance of not ever becoming the next Iron Man. The fact he was the Night Monkey for the bulk of the film illustrates his confused self identity.
fast forward to spider-man 3 and he’s wearing it again lol
@@CEDEREL maybe because in a situation like he is in, its probably the smart thing to do
@@CEDEREL people think its a fake out for the trailers
@@CEDEREL I believe it may be a fake out, in the movie it'll most likely be replaced with the new Integrated Suit that Peter will make
@@randomindividual769 I don't think so. A fake out like that would be a massive waste of money, unlike the fake out used in Ragnarok.
"I'm going on holiday after this video..."
You'd better not be sad at any point while on holiday or you're literally inhuman according to Hi Top!
HiTop took a bathroom break during every scene where plot happened lmao
Nah I watched the whole movie and I still for the most part agree with HiTop
@@andrewgomez9758 That makes you worse
@@notserious6458 oh shit I guess opinions don't exist
Not Serious I can’t have my own opinion without being insulted?
Andrew Gomez no but u literally clicked on a vid about someone criticizing hitops opinion. Why even click on the video
16:17 Also, the film is set 8 MONTHS after Endgame. Hoe long do you want him to sit and cry without doing anything else?
And people are complaining about mays reaction when it's also been years since she found out
@@ryan9877 IKR.
I personally would have _liked_ to see how May came to accept that Peter is Spider-Man, especially after the "what the f-" moment. However, the timing of the episodes is such that considerable time has elapsed since then and May's already come to terms with it.
Like most things in real life, it probably took a long time and building of trust and May learning that it's probably pointless being worried about a kid who can bench-press a car - rather than one of those sudden (and very cinematic) lessons that people learn within one scene of a movie - and it wouldn't be very interesting to watch. So I just live with the fact that sometime between _Homecoming_ and _Infinity War_ (when Peter's on the bus and wearing his suit underneath his clothes), there's been some sort of development in their relationship - I don't need to see it to understand that it happened.
Then why show him down at all, he cares less with uncle Ben died, past that in 6 months (civil war)
@@gbdeck200 We don't know when uncle Ben died in this universe. But they show him down because almost anything that happenes in this movie has to do with Tony. The villain is a result of TONY being an absolute dick. Peter gives Beck the glasses that TONY gave him. TONY is constantly on murals and paintings everywhere he goes. He is down because he is constantly reminded of him. He wouldn't be so down if it wasn't like that
@@SpeciallyShirly Peter was active as Spider-Man for at least 6 months prior to Civil War, so Ben had to have been dead for a couple years before Infinity War/Endgame
It does certainly feel as though people are imposing their views of grief onto this Peter. To be honest it's a very accurate representation going by my own experiences. I lost my father at about age 20. I'm 23 now, it didn't stop me from travelling, getting into a relationship 3 months after, I've had other father-like figures since that have come from very unexpected places. It doesn't devalue my father, I loved him dearly and still do. Inspiration and love of a person who has passed on does not blindside you to outsider inspirations and enjoyment of life in General.
I respect that an opinion is an opinion but I think very little understanding of the versatility of grief is displayed in such reviews.
I did a similar video to this on my own channel so it's nice to see I'm not alone.
Such a thoughtful and articulate comment that I've subscribed.
joolsthebass you're too kind. :)
@@ChannelPup Hey bro I know I am late and you probably won't recognize me for this, but I just want to say that I love your channel and you're one of the few Spider Man fans I actually respect.
HiTop films admitted in his WW84 video to skipping action scenes in films just so he could get back to the drama and I just can’t take him seriously after that. No concept of visual storytelling and no appreciation for good fight scenes having the ability to tell a great story by themselves.
he tries so hard to be different
@CYB3R2K30 yes that movie was shit but that’s beside the point. I was making a statement about Hitop Films not really the movie itself.
@CYB3R2K30 I myself have not yet seen it and am in no hurry to so I’ll take your word for it haha
@@caseyhart4999 It wasn't horrible. It was honestly great. But form your own opinions.
@@jojocane9792 at this point I have seen far from home and thought it was fine for an mcu movie. WW84 is still bad though not sure which one you edge referring to.
HiTop is too biased on Spider-Man because he grow up with the Tobey Mcquire version and you can obviously tell he highly dislike Tom Holland’s version.
hitop mentions in most of his videos that it's his opinions and that you shouldnt treat them like facts. He's too biased but it's his opinion that the Raimi films are a masterpiece because of plot, filmmaking, etc.
1WonderingApe not really, the backlash is more unfounded than his video.
@@REDANDSILVER741 Nah.
@@atoh4054 His opinions don't take away from the fact that his FFH is weak.
I think nostalgia is a curse and a blessing like hitopfilm is a Sam rami fanboy and I don’t think I here him criticizing the Sam rami films becuze of nostalgia and hates on far from home and homecoming cuz he grew up with Sam rami
Isn’t grieving hardly about a Mentor and father-figure that died recently more relatable than grieving hardly about someone that died a long time ago. Curious to hear your thoughts!
When that someone who died long ago is meant to be the original mentor and father-figure, who is also the basis of your everything, no, I wouldn't say so.
Not really, Peter and Tony Stark’s relationship is extremely underdeveloped in the MCU. Logically Peter shouldn’t really look up to Tony Stark, but the movies kinda force it anyways. So no, I don’t think time affects the way Peter grieves in these situations. Uncle Ben was the one who instilled Peter with morality. Uncle Ben was the one who raised Peter. Uncle Ben is the personification of a perfect father figure/person in general. Tony Stark is a greedy, corrupt, logistically and morally flawed superhero. Peter shouldn’t look up to Tony at all. And none of the scenes in the MCU with Peter and Tony really develop their supposed “father and son” relationship. Peter explains why he is a hero in Civil War. And in Homecoming Tony takes Peters suit away. Peter is just grieving in FFH for the sake of grieving.
@@chka1043 you forget that Tony was a celebrity way before Peter meeting him so you could say Peter probably projected alot onto Tony even before them meeting.
Ch Ka Yeah but he takes the suit away to teach him a lesson like most parents would do when their kids fuck Up badly. Interesting View nonetheless, even if I disagree that the relationship wasn’t developed well. For example in the scene when Tony and Peter first meet I feel it’s a dream coming true, like he already is someone Peter looks up to. Also I think the fact that Tony gives Peter something like a possibly deadly suit or something like Edith shows a trust a relationship like Mentor-Padawan would have.
Stephen Ramos
But why would Peter look up to Tony this way instead of Uncle Ben? A celebrity.... over the man (Uncle Ben) who raised you and was the reason you became a hero?
I swear with the consequences thing. It’s like he didn’t even stay for the mid credits scene.
if May finding out peter's identity gets treat as just a regular thing then why would any other reveals be important. In homecoming he says "If i tell her then shell freak out about people trying to kill me and then she won't let me do this anymore". Then in this new movie shes 100% okay with it.
@@christopherwashi you underestimated the mid credit scene
Da ComicBookNerd The thing is that either way, May doesn’t have a complete say in it. Fury has the power to take over Peter’s entire vacation and make him do missions. I’m sure if May said no, Fury would find a way around it, so there’s no point in that being a consequential moment.
@@delvy5685 no dude. I'm talking about him being spiderman in general. Not I didn't say one ducking thing about shield or skrull fury. May found out in the comics. Was she mad that he's being lieing to her yeah. Did she had to come to terms with it. Yes. Even in ultimate spiderman(which was kinda meh) she react like a normal person. She worried and had to watch him ducking die on the grass of her home. It's treat as a after school thing in the mcu. True she does get into treating it as such but it took time untill she was at that point.
@@christopherwashi there's a big difference between his aunt finding out and the world finding out. Now villains know who he is and can put his loved ones in danger. This seems like a very big consequence to me.