I would like to say the same thing to BB players. Had 3 games the other night with a radar Mino chasing me through the middle of the map in front of at least 2 BBs and they completely ignore him. If you want the DD to do his job then do your job and shoot the freaking radar Mino out in the open. Another game the other day I had all my BBs asking me to cap point with a DM sitting on the cap. They want me to cap, but they wont shoot the DM. So many games with stupid stuff like this. I cannot do my job if they don't do theirs.
Can't play destroyers and subs at all in randoms, no one wants to help you and when you do try to communicate you get a "STFU" from teammates camping behind islands or on the other side of the map. Then there's the threat of getting spotted and bombed by CVs when they're around. Such a shame, I can get a ton of exp from randoms but the way the games keep going makes me play operations almost exclusively, and it's sad I can't play subs in ops.
I get the opposite when I'm in my DM, fucking DDs rush into cap and die even after I radar everyone near or in cap and they know there's 4-5 people around. Then they complain that I'm not doing anything while i have over 55k damage 2 minutes into the game farming fires on BBs trying to push. As soon as I'm spotted, I'm getting shot at by 3 BBs without fail. DM isn't a fucking BB that can tank a shot from BBs. Hell, a single jap torp will almost kill a DM
I mainly play battleships and destroyers. Unfortunately map awareness is usualy not a strong suit of typicaly bb players. what I find realy useful though is to immediately call a focus target on a ship that threatens your play. sure, that target may only get hit 25% of the time but it is 25% over maybe 10% that the target will be shot at on their own. And as long as a dd can keep up the spotting while calling out important targets battleships can help a lot. the biggest threat to a good battleship rn are a spotting disadvantage and subs
I play the Gearing quite a lot, the first task is to study the team match up before the game starts. Subs , DD ,CV , Radar cc are the biggest threats. Along with RPF . There is little you can do if you're fighting a well organised team in random if they simply pick a flank you're simply up against it and have to move out of the area if your team is not supporting you. Not dying early gives you the best chance to turn a game around if your team gets off to a bad start. Nothing you can do if your team simply melts away in the first 5 minutes of the game and the whole of your team is at the other end of the map a fighting retreat is all you can do.
It is hard for a DD to do your job when there is a radar cruiser and CVs that can spot you until you are dead. I am a DD main and I do not contest caps until I know where the radar cruiser is at. P.S. I love my Shima with the 8km torps.
I agree. If i play a Russian DD, players dont understand Im easily spotted and have short range torps. Trust me, I want to spot, but a Halland can be a pain to counter with those characteristics and I know my worth as a DD so I try not to sacrifice myself, especially when your flank-mates have slow traverse turrets and wont be ready to shoot for a while.
that's why WG encourage you to play with a division to have a better game experience but the ironic is it's also proved that having fun from a solo game is almost impossible!!
I'll make the same comment here as I did on SLM's video. Regarding gunboat DDs- consider eschewing the deep stealth game that seems to be expected on DDs and pick up Torpedo Lookout System and Radio Direction Finding instead of Concealment System Mod 1 and Concealment Expert. You become a much more versatile asset to your team when you can screen torpedoes and get a bearing on where the sneaky guys are trying to flank your big friends. Destroyers are the most flexible class in the game and it is essential to be able to shift from one role to another as situations dictate.
Yours is my favorite channel. And yes I passed SeaLords video along with this one on out teams training channel. I usually have my team mates go up the European line First to learn the fundamentals of shooting guns aiming, and torpedo placement and timing. And no smoke means they have to learn to play smarter. There are several great DD lines, but Gearing is the best overall work horse for Competitive.... (Just my opinion). 😊
Hi Ripper! Nice that you try to help us! Great work! That is just absolute right, a flank without a DD doesn't know what to do!!! PS. Did you change your Druid build? From long range to quick reload?
Great video Ripper. As a DD main myself I agree with you. Last night I was in a div with a friend of mine that is also a DD main and like you said, we went into caps together to hunt down the enemy DDs. In our first game, he was in his Kidd and I was in my Orkan. We ran into a tier 9 Flecher and he panicked when he saw that there were two of us. Naturally he tried to smoke up, the Orkan has radar...surprise, you´re dead!! Later on we also killed the enemy Le Terrible between us. And like you also said, the bigger ships ran away when they saw two DDs working together. And yes we won that game. Support your DDs guys, if we stay alive, you´re likely to win the game. If we die because you ran away, it won´t matter that you managed to live, you´re more than likely gonna have another loss on your stats.
I really like and respect your thoughts, you and sealord hit the nail on the head and atm I am trying Brawls in my Vampire 2 with mixed success, I dont like randoms but I have been playing wrong so I am going take your tips and we will see.
Also in your other Gearing video from the other day I mentioned the Gearing is garbage and I decided to play it the other night with a full torp build and I have to say I had a good time. That being said I also had a decent amount of games where I wasnt able to have enough impact with torps for it to equate to a win. So it is usable as a torp boat. I also think they slimed down the model because it used to be much fatter and this helps the survivability.
I think it will help if WG made a score counter for base xp and had less focus on damage done. New player learn to shoot BB to get the high number on damage done. Win or loose they brag about having done 150K. Too many chase doing damage and not winning the game. We see DDs hiding behind islands to shot at a BB. They see the damage tick in while ignoring spotting, capping or hunting DDs. BBs learn that shooting a DD or a CL will bring you overpens but little damage. Doing 5K damage to a DD helps the team more than 10K at a BB most of the time. I would like a score that also reflects points from spotting damage, cap points and more stuff that helps win a game. (perhaps spotting torps).
"The destroyer is the greatest decoy possible." I'd like to dis..... no no. You have a point. I'd say summaries are a greater decoy. Feasting on the class hate. But then again. Most sub players can't properly decoy and bait.
you got it the cruisers and BB just do not support their own team's DD but keep asking them to do all the dangerous front line duties , but unfortunately its not just the BB and Cruisers , often the team's other DD , the CV and the SS are not providing any support but yet still demand the DD doing all the work
Very good now explain how to play team-effectively in a non-smoke, non-gun-boat DD. May I suggest Oland? I've 3500 games in Oland BTW and find her to be the most versatile/adaptable DD in the game. My fav by far! Most hate her and likely immediately thbraaated my comment! lol Also lets see your DD play-style changes in a CV game and then a CV and sub match. This is where Oland adapts/contends so well which honestly is why I love Oland SOOO much. I fear not CVs, they fear me! Did I hear more thbraaats? lol
I love taking out my max dpm/maneuverability colbert to support DDs... 10 seconds of a stream of fire and any DD is dead or crippled. Also really good against minos.
The Jinan behind and sub next to you might have something to do with them not pushing as well buddy...But yeah, most BB - monkeys start running the moment their DD dies. Modern BBs are immune to fire, have no citadel, ignore cruiser armor, some even have radar and yet, they are still crying about their class being weak. Most BB mains are just incompetent.
Sorry for so many comments, I just keep thinking of things as the video progresses. To your last point about BBs being obsolete and DDs being the most important class. I disagree completely because any class can carry a game when played very well. CVs are another discussion, but by far the most OP class in the game still and capable of hyper carrying. I think the reason BBs seem underpowered is because the class attracts a lot of new players naturally, they see the giant ship with awesome guns and they get excited. I know the first ship I wanted when watching the closed beta play was the Yamato before I found my niche. I am a super unicum BB player and a unicum DD player because a few well aimed shots at broadsides can win a game with a BB and in a DD I need to get in there and risk it all to have a real impact. I am still a DD main because I find the high risk/reward gameplay a lot more enjoyable. Sometimes I play in a div with 70% win rate BB players and they nearly one shot DDs that I fight. That being said there are specific OP ships in every class .
I appreciate that! Don’t apologize. It’s comments like this that we get different perspectives and can learn something I may have not seen. Thank you! Keep it coming
The difference is a very low skill player can be effective in a dd just by staying alive and spotting and spamming torps. You actually need high skill to carry in a battleship so it's just a lot harder overall
@@hagostaeldmann hmm that is strange to me because I always used to play BBs to take a break from the stress of DDs. BBs have always been a chill relaxing thing to play for me. Except recently I have noticed the subs make it more annoying and these stupid new secondary BBs. Because that's all we needed more of in this game is HE spam that doesn't miss. WG really like to cater to the mush brains.
I have to agree, its the rare game that you lose your DDs and still prevail. Almost every game Im in these days one team loses its DDs in less than 3 minutes and its a romple stomp. The Dds I hate to see on my team, Sherman(not going to spot anything or counter DDs, just looks to sit in smoke and spam at BBs) and Tromp( going to hide behind a rock and try and use the airstrike, not spotting anything). It matters not to me which DD Im in I always look to spot and either torp or screen for the bigger ships. I will say Ive seen quite a few Russian radar CAs nowhere near any place they can use the radar, they got 19km gun range, they are at 19kms, negating the radar range. So lack of skills/knowledge are a huge issue. Good vid
@@alexsmith7801 lol, funny you bring that one up, had one on my team today and thought "oh great," but that guy was good, he would have been great in another boat probably but he had a great game and was useful.
yes a DD with long km torps is great. it helps ! but most of my owned ships are V or VI and i just dropped 3 that only had 4.5 km torps! now i have to build up my resorces to buy a decent DD in a higher class VI or VII , which as i looked earlier aint many that have torps longer than their detectability. also i find when i play DD that its difficult to get big ships to cover me as i try to sight in the opponents and usually i end up fighting one or two destroyers or a mix of ships by myself with no help. I have learned to wait for my supports and let the opponents take the cap first, and make sure i have helpers! which is problimatical once we see what we are up against when the other team sees we arent pushing immediately! yesterday i crawled to the closest cap and when i looked up as i was fighting the opponents DD i saw 5 red ships against me and 3 greens running away - meaning i was dead!
Spot and cap. If a dd does nothing else, it needs to spot and cap. Damaging and sinking ships is secondary. The basic design of the game at its core requires that the dds spot and cap, they have the smallest detection circle for that reason.
it's less about the DDs being an issue and more about the cruisers and battleships that immediately run the second they get spotted or immediately run for islands and cut themselves off from having any kind of angles to actually support the DDs and also as soon as cruisers and battleships get spotted on the enemy side YOUR cruisers and battleships will either be in kite mode or shooting at those instead of paying attention to YOU and supporting you... so yea... it's MORE an issue of cruisers and battleships imo just not paying attention at the early stage of the game, not going to say there aren't utterly stupid DDs that don't understand simple mechanics or understand what ships carry radar or how to evade/dodge while spotted... i've survived bow tanking and speed juking in a Tromp and that thing is slower than dogshit with regards to engine power and picking up speed in either direction BUT i did also have a good cruiser and battleship supporting that hammered the hell out of Moskva trying to push in. you're only responsible for yourself because you have no control over the other 11 idiots on your team! pay attention to your surroundings and just do your job to the best of your ability because MM is just f**ked some days and i've had wins i've pulled out of my ass and losses that were just impossible to turn around because the team just was that stupid with zero situational awareness... nothing you can do about the players on your team sadly... div up and work together!
i dont remember signing any contract that says we have to do what a contributor says...if you lot want ppl to do what you want, just tell WeeGee to increase division size to 12 so that you can put all your employees in the team and play
I am playing just destroyers and I have tried battleships and cruisers but I can't play slow ships and cruisers .....naaaah but destroyers is big yes for me,above 1200 exp on every and I love when I play those ships and enter the mass to spot,sometimes I have over 100k spot but sometimes rest of my team say "who F him" xD and I finish that battle very fast :/ but yes,destroyers are 70% of every battle if not more.
Its hard for the average player to think this way. 80% of players just go by the book. 15% know how to use terrain around. 4% know some aspects of their enemy ships and use it to their benefit. 1% are TH-camrs like you trying hard to give us an idea of a little bit of what goes in your mind while playing.
What exactly is your "full reload build" on the gearing ? I'm interested in picking it up, and I can't find similar builds that don't throw away RPF, which is crucial in my opinion.
Don't forget Rafa RPF is also an indication you're in the area it's passive both ways. It won't tell me your location but it tells me you're a close threat and I can move away accordingly. However RPF will give you the ability to clear and area and blind torp channels. It's a powerful tool and long range torp boats benefit.
An opinion is not proof. In both those matches your team lost DDs too, the first one was just a blowout nothing to see there, the second the reds where mostly piled in the middle of the map being shot at from both sides. Terrible play in both games by the reds, these are not examples of good destroyer play winning the day. With that said I don't disagree about the importance of a DDs role. When you look at the stats on ships that have the highest WR it's dominated by DDs and cruisers. There are some CVs in that list too, but that will soon change when CVs lose most of their spotting, putting even more responsibility on DDs to stay alive to do so. So statically, yes, DDs have a huge effect on the outcome of a match. Cruisers also can have a huge impact on WR, and BBs dominate in the highest average damage category. Looks like all ships have their roles to play.
Quality of players is going down drastically sometimes u have 8-10 players red in your team , how to expect from them to understand game and support you.
@@RIPPERDD I think I have an idea based on how fast you talk. On average you speak 235 WPM and that's compared to several WOWS youtubers that speak 168 WPM. Based on that, you could be an auctioneer. The only other place I have heard that level of fast speech is on VASAviation or ATCAudio. I think your channel is great, love when you go over clan battles, but the one suggestion I would make is you slow down your speech a little. Although that maybe easier said than done. I will continue to playback the speed at .80x. Keep up the good work!
god that thunderer - sorry trying to be nice but they were really ineffective - interestingly so was your Balao AND your team lost two other destroyers early... game could have gone much differently. Love your vids! +1
Area denial , staying to post a threat to the enemy and torp that reload slowest among all ammunition type meand dd doing their role and duty not only had to put in a good show of skill and placing the boat right into enemies ' kill zone But what does the game treat all these , nothing .. dd players are asked and tasked to do all but not only not rewarded and acknowledged its also a very significant opportunity cost attached when the time and effort can be used for farming , sorry that is the fact , farming reward and doing the team work do not .. why bb won't forward tanking , and cruiser won't forward support .. And many dd players are finding they are left hanging dry alone at the front These days as a dd main my take is simple if the team are not forward to fight and support then neither will I , am not just fire bait so they can farm and not fight it No amount of argument can excuse todays meta of big guns just do not team and do not support , as a dd main am sick of all these saying that I had to go forward do this , do that , NO won't be putting myself into harm's way if the team will not - simple as that
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I would like to say the same thing to BB players. Had 3 games the other night with a radar Mino chasing me through the middle of the map in front of at least 2 BBs and they completely ignore him. If you want the DD to do his job then do your job and shoot the freaking radar Mino out in the open. Another game the other day I had all my BBs asking me to cap point with a DM sitting on the cap. They want me to cap, but they wont shoot the DM. So many games with stupid stuff like this. I cannot do my job if they don't do theirs.
Could not have said this better myself, Take out the Radars
Can't play destroyers and subs at all in randoms, no one wants to help you and when you do try to communicate you get a "STFU" from teammates camping behind islands or on the other side of the map. Then there's the threat of getting spotted and bombed by CVs when they're around.
Such a shame, I can get a ton of exp from randoms but the way the games keep going makes me play operations almost exclusively, and it's sad I can't play subs in ops.
I get the opposite when I'm in my DM, fucking DDs rush into cap and die even after I radar everyone near or in cap and they know there's 4-5 people around. Then they complain that I'm not doing anything while i have over 55k damage 2 minutes into the game farming fires on BBs trying to push. As soon as I'm spotted, I'm getting shot at by 3 BBs without fail. DM isn't a fucking BB that can tank a shot from BBs. Hell, a single jap torp will almost kill a DM
I mainly play battleships and destroyers. Unfortunately map awareness is usualy not a strong suit of typicaly bb players. what I find realy useful though is to immediately call a focus target on a ship that threatens your play. sure, that target may only get hit 25% of the time but it is 25% over maybe 10% that the target will be shot at on their own. And as long as a dd can keep up the spotting while calling out important targets battleships can help a lot. the biggest threat to a good battleship rn are a spotting disadvantage and subs
I play the Gearing quite a lot, the first task is to study the team match up before the game starts. Subs , DD ,CV , Radar cc are the biggest threats. Along with RPF .
There is little you can do if you're fighting a well organised team in random if they simply pick a flank you're simply up against it and have to move out of the area if your team is not supporting you.
Not dying early gives you the best chance to turn a game around if your team gets off to a bad start.
Nothing you can do if your team simply melts away in the first 5 minutes of the game and the whole of your team is at the other end of the map a fighting retreat is all you can do.
It is hard for a DD to do your job when there is a radar cruiser and CVs that can spot you until you are dead. I am a DD main and I do not contest caps until I know where the radar cruiser is at. P.S. I love my Shima with the 8km torps.
I agree. If i play a Russian DD, players dont understand Im easily spotted and have short range torps. Trust me, I want to spot, but a Halland can be a pain to counter with those characteristics and I know my worth as a DD so I try not to sacrifice myself, especially when your flank-mates have slow traverse turrets and wont be ready to shoot for a while.
that's why WG encourage you to play with a division to have a better game experience but the ironic is it's also proved that having fun from a solo game is almost impossible!!
I'll make the same comment here as I did on SLM's video.
Regarding gunboat DDs- consider eschewing the deep stealth game that seems to be expected on DDs and pick up Torpedo Lookout System and Radio Direction Finding instead of Concealment System Mod 1 and Concealment Expert. You become a much more versatile asset to your team when you can screen torpedoes and get a bearing on where the sneaky guys are trying to flank your big friends. Destroyers are the most flexible class in the game and it is essential to be able to shift from one role to another as situations dictate.
Great word! Thank you!
Yours is my favorite channel. And yes I passed SeaLords video along with this one on out teams training channel. I usually have my team mates go up the European line First to learn the fundamentals of shooting guns aiming, and torpedo placement and timing. And no smoke means they have to learn to play smarter. There are several great DD lines, but Gearing is the best overall work horse for Competitive.... (Just my opinion). 😊
Hi Ripper! Nice that you try to help us! Great work!
That is just absolute right, a flank without a DD doesn't know what to do!!!
PS. Did you change your Druid build? From long range to quick reload?
Great video Ripper. As a DD main myself I agree with you. Last night I was in a div with a friend of mine that is also a DD main and like you said, we went into caps together to hunt down the enemy DDs. In our first game, he was in his Kidd and I was in my Orkan. We ran into a tier 9 Flecher and he panicked when he saw that there were two of us. Naturally he tried to smoke up, the Orkan has radar...surprise, you´re dead!! Later on we also killed the enemy Le Terrible between us. And like you also said, the bigger ships ran away when they saw two DDs working together. And yes we won that game.
Support your DDs guys, if we stay alive, you´re likely to win the game. If we die because you ran away, it won´t matter that you managed to live, you´re more than likely gonna have another loss on your stats.
I really like and respect your thoughts, you and sealord hit the nail on the head and atm I am trying Brawls in my Vampire 2 with mixed success, I dont like randoms but I have been playing wrong so I am going take your tips and we will see.
Also in your other Gearing video from the other day I mentioned the Gearing is garbage and I decided to play it the other night with a full torp build and I have to say I had a good time. That being said I also had a decent amount of games where I wasnt able to have enough impact with torps for it to equate to a win. So it is usable as a torp boat. I also think they slimed down the model because it used to be much fatter and this helps the survivability.
I finally found a DD main content creator, I’ve gotten back into the game after some time and want to get back on my DD grind.
I think it will help if WG made a score counter for base xp and had less focus on damage done. New player learn to shoot BB to get the high number on damage done. Win or loose they brag about having done 150K. Too many chase doing damage and not winning the game. We see DDs hiding behind islands to shot at a BB. They see the damage tick in while ignoring spotting, capping or hunting DDs. BBs learn that shooting a DD or a CL will bring you overpens but little damage. Doing 5K damage to a DD helps the team more than 10K at a BB most of the time. I would like a score that also reflects points from spotting damage, cap points and more stuff that helps win a game. (perhaps spotting torps).
"The destroyer is the greatest decoy possible." I'd like to dis..... no no. You have a point. I'd say summaries are a greater decoy. Feasting on the class hate. But then again. Most sub players can't properly decoy and bait.
Oh! Im really glad i found this channel. Greta video!
If the BB's & Cruisers wont offer support and run from a flank then NEVER have a go at a DD for not doing a job because you could not support them.
you got it the cruisers and BB just do not support their own team's DD but keep asking them to do all the dangerous front line duties , but unfortunately its not just the BB and Cruisers , often the team's other DD , the CV and the SS are not providing any support but yet still demand the DD doing all the work
Very good now explain how to play team-effectively in a non-smoke, non-gun-boat DD. May I suggest Oland?
I've 3500 games in Oland BTW and find her to be the most versatile/adaptable DD in the game. My fav by far!
Most hate her and likely immediately thbraaated my comment! lol
Also lets see your DD play-style changes in a CV game and then a CV and sub match.
This is where Oland adapts/contends so well which honestly is why I love Oland SOOO much. I fear not CVs, they fear me!
Did I hear more thbraaats? lol
Thanks for your tip I also like the Oland but I havent played as many games but I am still having fun.
I love taking out my max dpm/maneuverability colbert to support DDs... 10 seconds of a stream of fire and any DD is dead or crippled. Also really good against minos.
More like 5 seconds, I love Colbert too. No concealment, just pure dpm build, very fun.
Enemy submarine fail. Lost your DD? Surface! It's now your job to spot. You have DD levels of concealment.
No.
@@AlanRoehrich9651 You right.
The Jinan behind and sub next to you might have something to do with them not pushing as well buddy...But yeah, most BB - monkeys start running the moment their DD dies. Modern BBs are immune to fire, have no citadel, ignore cruiser armor, some even have radar and yet, they are still crying about their class being weak. Most BB mains are just incompetent.
This video shows why CVs are a problem. A good CV player could punish you 7 days a week and you couldnt do anything against him
Those aren’t destroyers, they’re Doritos! Has His Grace, m’lord Mountbatten taught you nothing? ;)
Bravo!! This vid and MSLB's should be required reading.
Sorry for so many comments, I just keep thinking of things as the video progresses. To your last point about BBs being obsolete and DDs being the most important class. I disagree completely because any class can carry a game when played very well. CVs are another discussion, but by far the most OP class in the game still and capable of hyper carrying. I think the reason BBs seem underpowered is because the class attracts a lot of new players naturally, they see the giant ship with awesome guns and they get excited. I know the first ship I wanted when watching the closed beta play was the Yamato before I found my niche. I am a super unicum BB player and a unicum DD player because a few well aimed shots at broadsides can win a game with a BB and in a DD I need to get in there and risk it all to have a real impact. I am still a DD main because I find the high risk/reward gameplay a lot more enjoyable. Sometimes I play in a div with 70% win rate BB players and they nearly one shot DDs that I fight. That being said there are specific OP ships in every class .
I appreciate that! Don’t apologize. It’s comments like this that we get different perspectives and can learn something I may have not seen. Thank you! Keep it coming
The difference is a very low skill player can be effective in a dd just by staying alive and spotting and spamming torps. You actually need high skill to carry in a battleship so it's just a lot harder overall
@@hagostaeldmann hmm that is strange to me because I always used to play BBs to take a break from the stress of DDs. BBs have always been a chill relaxing thing to play for me. Except recently I have noticed the subs make it more annoying and these stupid new secondary BBs. Because that's all we needed more of in this game is HE spam that doesn't miss. WG really like to cater to the mush brains.
love your info, hope i can make it work, and i'll try and partner with DDs when i can.
I have to agree, its the rare game that you lose your DDs and still prevail. Almost every game Im in these days one team loses its DDs in less than 3 minutes and its a romple stomp. The Dds I hate to see on my team, Sherman(not going to spot anything or counter DDs, just looks to sit in smoke and spam at BBs) and Tromp( going to hide behind a rock and try and use the airstrike, not spotting anything). It matters not to me which DD Im in I always look to spot and either torp or screen for the bigger ships. I will say Ive seen quite a few Russian radar CAs nowhere near any place they can use the radar, they got 19km gun range, they are at 19kms, negating the radar range. So lack of skills/knowledge are a huge issue. Good vid
If I had to choose one DD I never saw on my team, it would be Halford.
@@alexsmith7801 lol, funny you bring that one up, had one on my team today and thought "oh great," but that guy was good, he would have been great in another boat probably but he had a great game and was useful.
yes a DD with long km torps is great. it helps ! but most of my owned ships are V or VI and i just dropped 3 that only had 4.5 km torps! now i have to build up my resorces to buy a decent DD in a higher class VI or VII , which as i looked earlier aint many that have torps longer than their detectability.
also i find when i play DD that its difficult to get big ships to cover me as i try to sight in the opponents and usually i end up fighting one or two destroyers or a mix of ships by myself with no help. I have learned to wait for my supports and let the opponents take the cap first, and make sure i have helpers! which is problimatical once we see what we are up against when the other team sees we arent pushing immediately!
yesterday i crawled to the closest cap and when i looked up as i was fighting the opponents DD i saw 5 red ships against me and 3 greens running away - meaning i was dead!
Most bb players won't shoot what's spotted, and if they do shoot, they can't hit shit.
many dd didnt spot or aware type of ships surround cap zone, they rush to cap and get blown by enemy radar
Spot and cap. If a dd does nothing else, it needs to spot and cap. Damaging and sinking ships is secondary. The basic design of the game at its core requires that the dds spot and cap, they have the smallest detection circle for that reason.
it's less about the DDs being an issue and more about the cruisers and battleships that immediately run the second they get spotted or immediately run for islands and cut themselves off from having any kind of angles to actually support the DDs and also as soon as cruisers and battleships get spotted on the enemy side YOUR cruisers and battleships will either be in kite mode or shooting at those instead of paying attention to YOU and supporting you... so yea... it's MORE an issue of cruisers and battleships imo just not paying attention at the early stage of the game, not going to say there aren't utterly stupid DDs that don't understand simple mechanics or understand what ships carry radar or how to evade/dodge while spotted... i've survived bow tanking and speed juking in a Tromp and that thing is slower than dogshit with regards to engine power and picking up speed in either direction BUT i did also have a good cruiser and battleship supporting that hammered the hell out of Moskva trying to push in. you're only responsible for yourself because you have no control over the other 11 idiots on your team! pay attention to your surroundings and just do your job to the best of your ability because MM is just f**ked some days and i've had wins i've pulled out of my ass and losses that were just impossible to turn around because the team just was that stupid with zero situational awareness... nothing you can do about the players on your team sadly... div up and work together!
If you're playing a DD passively with a 5.5-7 detectability you are playing it wrong !
i dont remember signing any contract that says we have to do what a contributor says...if you lot want ppl to do what you want, just tell WeeGee to increase division size to 12 so that you can put all your employees in the team and play
I am playing just destroyers and I have tried battleships and cruisers but I can't play slow ships and cruisers .....naaaah but destroyers is big yes for me,above 1200 exp on every and I love when I play those ships and enter the mass to spot,sometimes I have over 100k spot but sometimes rest of my team say "who F him" xD and I finish that battle very fast :/ but yes,destroyers are 70% of every battle if not more.
Yep! Dyfj! A lot of players don’t 😢
Its hard for the average player to think this way. 80% of players just go by the book. 15% know how to use terrain around.
4% know some aspects of their enemy ships and use it to their benefit.
1% are TH-camrs like you trying hard to give us an idea of a little bit of what goes in your mind while playing.
What exactly is your "full reload build" on the gearing ?
I'm interested in picking it up, and I can't find similar builds that don't throw away RPF, which is crucial in my opinion.
Don't forget Rafa RPF is also an indication you're in the area it's passive both ways. It won't tell me your location but it tells me you're a close threat and I can move away accordingly. However RPF will give you the ability to clear and area and blind torp channels. It's a powerful tool and long range torp boats benefit.
An opinion is not proof. In both those matches your team lost DDs too, the first one was just a blowout nothing to see there, the second the reds where mostly piled in the middle of the map being shot at from both sides. Terrible play in both games by the reds, these are not examples of good destroyer play winning the day. With that said I don't disagree about the importance of a DDs role.
When you look at the stats on ships that have the highest WR it's dominated by DDs and cruisers. There are some CVs in that list too, but that will soon change when CVs lose most of their spotting, putting even more responsibility on DDs to stay alive to do so. So statically, yes, DDs have a huge effect on the outcome of a match. Cruisers also can have a huge impact on WR, and BBs dominate in the highest average damage category. Looks like all ships have their roles to play.
Quality of players is going down drastically sometimes u have 8-10 players red in your team , how to expect from them to understand game and support you.
@ripperdd you're a 13F? You guys were handy in the sandbox
Apologize for the response but I rather not post what I do due to the nature of my job. Just know you can sleep safe at night.
@@RIPPERDD I think I have an idea based on how fast you talk. On average you speak 235 WPM and that's compared to several WOWS youtubers that speak 168 WPM. Based on that, you could be an auctioneer. The only other place I have heard that level of fast speech is on VASAviation or ATCAudio.
I think your channel is great, love when you go over clan battles, but the one suggestion I would make is you slow down your speech a little. Although that maybe easier said than done. I will continue to playback the speed at .80x. Keep up the good work!
god that thunderer - sorry trying to be nice but they were really ineffective - interestingly so was your Balao AND your team lost two other destroyers early... game could have gone much differently. Love your vids! +1
I don't know if you noticed but he was abandoned by his whole team middle and was spotted basically the whole game by the red Deedee that kept mid-cap
Area denial , staying to post a threat to the enemy and torp that reload slowest among all ammunition type meand dd doing their role and duty not only had to put in a good show of skill and placing the boat right into enemies ' kill zone
But what does the game treat all these , nothing .. dd players are asked and tasked to do all but not only not rewarded and acknowledged its also a very significant opportunity cost attached when the time and effort can be used for farming , sorry that is the fact , farming reward and doing the team work do not .. why bb won't forward tanking , and cruiser won't forward support ..
And many dd players are finding they are left hanging dry alone at the front
These days as a dd main my take is simple if the team are not forward to fight and support then neither will I , am not just fire bait so they can farm and not fight it
No amount of argument can excuse todays meta of big guns just do not team and do not support , as a dd main am sick of all these saying that I had to go forward do this , do that , NO won't be putting myself into harm's way if the team will not - simple as that
What mode is that radar threat
lost me the second you mentioned sealord, to many hot takes looking for views, bad advice, and a douche in game when its not being recorded
Is he really a dbag?