Nice to see some work done on a manual mill. I'm not sure what fixtures and tools the gun shop in the video has, but the radius at the front of the optic is not a difficult operation to do on an manual mill. Provided, of course, you have a rotary table. Use a 50mm radius setup on the rotary table and you can mill the radius to locate the optic even better. They opted not to do this, which should be adequate. As for the comments regarding "send this to someone who knows what they are doing," those are almost all done with CNC machines. If a month+ turnaround and four times the price is worth it to you, then it makes sense; however, on a manual mill I could radius these cuts at the same level of precision and use locator pins in lieu of milled bosses while you wait. This job wouldn't take more than an hour from setup to finished product, and $80 would be fair. I wouldn't even bother with my CNC unless I had at least 10 of the same slides to do. You spend more time in CAM creating tool paths than you would just cutting it on a manual machine.
i would rather pay 50 to 80 $ for this to be done in an hour. this is an easy process and if u wanted could take more time and make it as nice as you wanted. this can be done even in a more crude way that actually would work with common knowledge of machining and making sure everything is leveled and squared, although wouldnt recomend it.
I just got off the phone with TROP Gun Shop. I wanted to know the cost of, and if they could mill out my H&K p30 9mm slide and mount my Trijicon SRO. I was told that they don't mill slides and they would send it out and act as the middle man. When asked about this video the young man on the call said he wasn't aware of this video.
@@th3frogman A little further down in the comments someone asked about pricing, the response was they no longer do it in house, they outsource. Response was posted 6 years ago from my response date here......which means somewhere between this video and 12 months after, they quit doing it!
You can use an adjustable 6 inch fly cutter for the radius. It should have the radius and be semi press fit in, having the sight just snugged with screws only is not correct.
Just wondering I was considering having this done to one of my glocks but it was my understanding that the front actually had a radius milled into the slide to match the rmr and was done to further secure the optic because then is couldn't shift left or right it could only lift straight off the slide(hope I explained that clearly) anyway is this not necessary? I'm just a lil parinoid to switch to a red dot over traditional sites and still trying to deside if I trust it enough for a carry gun.
Not advisable. You want the optic being held by the slide to help keep zero, take some of the stress off the screws, and have a lower sight picture closer to the barrel.
+Germ its a substitute to a back up rear sight. Think similar to XS sights. It works up close and is fast but does leave quite a bit to be desired in intermediate distances. We ultimately installed a rear sight on this pistol as a more consistent back up.
What is the length of the slot needed to fit an RMR? What is the depth of milling? And Bolt hole centers are found using the RMR itself, and lovetapping a centerfinder through that? Also, what is the length of the RMR, and the width please? Thank you so much.
The length is 45mm, the depth is 3.071 mm, and the width is the width of the slide. Go slowly and use a carbide tip cutter. Id reccoment 1,000-1,200 rpm for this type of job.
We can gunsmith the RMR to co-witness with your rear sight either in front of or behind the RMR optic. It would be completely up to you as far as configuration goes. Woo Hoo!
Jayson Gamboa Unfortunately no, we are no longer doing this type of gunsmithing work. We can however work to outsource the job to some really qualified gunsmiths we work with.
do you do a service? sorry if i missed it but how much would you charge for the milling n the rear for optic n the reduction in the front n possibly coated if you offer that?
There's a publicly available RMR blueprint with a callout for a 3.00" +/- .010" radius at the front of the RMR. It would've been incredibly easy to interpolate this and could've been done in a matter of minutes, but it was skipped right over. That, and the fact that it was milled flat with no studs for supporting the RMR neither in the front or by the mounting screws. Again, could've been easy to interpolate to make the slide secure the RMR even further. Depending on the material of the fasteners, they're going to bust after extended use. There's a right and wrong way to machine a customer-supplied $300 slide, this is not the right way. I would be demanding a replacement.
I actually thought this was a joke project. If you’re going to charge people for this service get better tooling. That was appalling and so was the tapping.
I actually dig the machined groove in the sight itself. Nice touch!
How?
I like the fact that the gunsmith is toting in small of back, nice touch.
Don't fall backwards, ouch!
Nice to see some work done on a manual mill. I'm not sure what fixtures and tools the gun shop in the video has, but the radius at the front of the optic is not a difficult operation to do on an manual mill. Provided, of course, you have a rotary table. Use a 50mm radius setup on the rotary table and you can mill the radius to locate the optic even better. They opted not to do this, which should be adequate. As for the comments regarding "send this to someone who knows what they are doing," those are almost all done with CNC machines. If a month+ turnaround and four times the price is worth it to you, then it makes sense; however, on a manual mill I could radius these cuts at the same level of precision and use locator pins in lieu of milled bosses while you wait. This job wouldn't take more than an hour from setup to finished product, and $80 would be fair. I wouldn't even bother with my CNC unless I had at least 10 of the same slides to do. You spend more time in CAM creating tool paths than you would just cutting it on a manual machine.
Thank you! Jesus christ the cry babies on here.
i would rather pay 50 to 80 $ for this to be done in an hour. this is an easy process and if u wanted could take more time and make it as nice as you wanted. this can be done even in a more crude way that actually would work with common knowledge of machining and making sure everything is leveled and squared, although wouldnt recomend it.
Thanks for the info on the 50 mm radius , do have the table, and old Clausing 8520 like new, thx again
I need a friend like you! So where do I send my slide too? lol
What was the overall cut depth?
Removing the irons bothers me.
I’d be mad as hell if I paid money to get an “RMR” cut and this is the work I received. Send your slide to someone who knows what they are doing.
Straight up lazy. No radius, boss pins, or new dovetail.
And I think if that's how people mill a RMR cut, you can do it if you have your own mill.
How bout that horribly deep counter bore also? And no bottoming tap! There isn’t much thread depth allowed anyway, get all you can.
Not to mention the slide wasnt level
Thank goodness all the machinist gods showed up here with their infinite wisdom. 🙄
That is sweet man, I love the center line on the rmr. These fools don't understand that you can do what you want with your own gun.
How deep did you mill and how deep did you drill?
I appreciate this video so much.
What about the two post up front?
Next time you should add a radius to match the rmr's front radius. Awesome video btw
Great work.
Wow! The jacked up music is what makes this video for me...I love to listen to the music in the back ground while I work in other apps.
That was awesome.
Looks like the slide wasn't perfectly level by the way the first touch cut hit one side more than the other.
This is a skill that I wish I could have.
Machining the rear sight groove into the optic itself is genius and perfect
It’s too bad the gunsmith shop closed.
I just got off the phone with TROP Gun Shop. I wanted to know the cost of, and if they could mill out my H&K p30 9mm slide and mount my Trijicon SRO. I was told that they don't mill slides and they would send it out and act as the middle man. When asked about this video the young man on the call said he wasn't aware of this video.
WTF?
@@th3frogman A little further down in the comments someone asked about pricing, the response was they no longer do it in house, they outsource. Response was posted 6 years ago from my response date here......which means somewhere between this video and 12 months after, they quit doing it!
Thought RMR cuts were radius-ed in the front, to match the profile of the optic base?
You pretty much need a CNC to do specific radii like that. The guy in the video is using a manual mill.
No you dont! Rotary tables are perfect for that, do you think that no radius's were milled before the invention of CNC?!
You can use an adjustable 6 inch fly cutter for the radius. It should have the radius and be semi press fit in, having the sight just snugged with screws only is not correct.
if i have a mill and all the other tools, do you think i could do this to my xdm without jacking it up too much. lol
Did you do it?
@@th3frogman no, I decided it wasn't worth it and bought another gun that i'd use for comp
recoil lugs?
Just wondering I was considering having this done to one of my glocks but it was my understanding that the front actually had a radius milled into the slide to match the rmr and was done to further secure the optic because then is couldn't shift left or right it could only lift straight off the slide(hope I explained that clearly) anyway is this not necessary? I'm just a lil parinoid to switch to a red dot over traditional sites and still trying to deside if I trust it enough for a carry gun.
It needs the radius to make it tight to keep its zero...I do my RMR cuts on a rotary table on my mill to get it fitting like a glove...
Arnies custom funny! Glock mos come with out a radius
Looks like to me it touched off more on the left side.. which isn't level.
twisted intentions I wouldn’t be surprised if glock slides are several thousandths tolerant.
WOW THAT WAS AMAZING!!!!
Can you just make the holes on top just to screw the optic.
Not advisable. You want the optic being held by the slide to help keep zero, take some of the stress off the screws, and have a lower sight picture closer to the barrel.
Love the mark on the back of the RMR.
Why did you machine a vertical line into the RMR?
+Germ its a substitute to a back up rear sight. Think similar to XS sights. It works up close and is fast but does leave quite a bit to be desired in intermediate distances. We ultimately installed a rear sight on this pistol as a more consistent back up.
Trop Gun would the line in the rear be the correct height for a standard or suppressor height front sight?
That was badass! Good work!
Hi, What measure do you lower the slide? 4 mm? Thank.
What is the length of the slot needed to fit an RMR?
What is the depth of milling?
And Bolt hole centers are found using the RMR itself, and lovetapping a centerfinder through that?
Also, what is the length of the RMR, and the width please?
Thank you so much.
The length is 45mm, the depth is 3.071 mm, and the width is the width of the slide. Go slowly and use a carbide tip cutter. Id reccoment 1,000-1,200 rpm for this type of job.
.1209" depth and 1.7716" length
If I was to do it I would cut it about 2-3 thousandths short of my length/depth and file it to size. Just to make sure you get a nice snug fit
Working while carrying a revolver in the back, now that's bad ass.
Can you do the same with Arex zero 1 slide
We can gunsmith the RMR to co-witness with your rear sight either in front of or behind the RMR optic. It would be completely up to you as far as configuration goes. Woo Hoo!
Trop Gun what’s your email?
how deep do you mill??
Do you do this for sig p320 slides as well
what was the depth of cut on the slot for the optic?
Now I you will buy a new slide, very easy. ggg
are you still doing rmr cuts for glock?
+nashman cal Sorry unfortunately we are no longer performing this service. Too many factory / aftermarket options available.
@@TropUSA Then remove your video!!!! What is the point in showing something you no longer do??? False advertising?
Any chance you'd release the song information? Love the video, can't wait to get my Seiki back up and running to make some chips!
Machine on brother.
I used a sawzall on mine. It flew off and hit me in the eye.
Yeah!
Can you do it on 1911?
Jayson Gamboa Unfortunately no, we are no longer doing this type of gunsmithing work. We can however work to outsource the job to some really qualified gunsmiths we work with.
Trop Gun Could this be done to a sig 2022? How much $$?
I want mine to co-witness...any chance?
Kinda how I did my rumor cut except I finish passed it all on a surface grinder for total flatness.
I thought this was awesome until I watched a video of a pro. I hope this is a video of him working on his own gun and not a customer’s.
do you do a service? sorry if i missed it but how much would you charge for the milling n the rear for optic n the reduction in the front n possibly coated if you offer that?
i scrolled down n read on.... yes if you could recommend a good shop that would be appreciated. just looking for prices. thanks.
Or just get a rmr plate...
Id just mill it my self. After indicating the vise, the spindle, the slide in the vise. And make a fixture to pull it down tight.
hello can make me the same
Taking too much off. The screws wont hold well.
youre doing it wrong. This is not a good installation at all.
Elaborate...
There's a publicly available RMR blueprint with a callout for a 3.00" +/- .010" radius at the front of the RMR. It would've been incredibly easy to interpolate this and could've been done in a matter of minutes, but it was skipped right over.
That, and the fact that it was milled flat with no studs for supporting the RMR neither in the front or by the mounting screws. Again, could've been easy to interpolate to make the slide secure the RMR even further. Depending on the material of the fasteners, they're going to bust after extended use.
There's a right and wrong way to machine a customer-supplied $300 slide, this is not the right way. I would be demanding a replacement.
I'd love to see you "interpolate" on a manual mill, without a rotary table!
Horrendous music
How to RUIN a Glock Slide TUTORIAL
I actually thought this was a joke project. If you’re going to charge people for this service get better tooling. That was appalling and so was the tapping.
Good video on the proper way to machine a slide for an RMR.
No. No it's not.
benchmstr there’s already a reply why this was not done right, find the post by “neverfnguit” and you’ll find your answer
cool video but this music is cancer
You should be ashamed of this. Maybe don’t post on TH-cam for a business if you don’t know what you’re doing
Your crappy music drove me away
THEY ARE A JOKE
Nice video