JagerWerks Trijicon RMR CNC Milling on a Glock 19 in the Haas VF4ss
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- JagerWerks Trijicon RMR CNC Milling on a Glock 19 in the Haas VF4ss
Demonstration of our Glock RMR milling on the Haas VF4ss.
Program is running at 70% speed and without coolant for demonstration purposes.
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I’m still rocking my gen 3 slide after three years and the finish is bullet proof. The The RMR fit like a glove without any funky adapter plates. These guys are absolutely the best I’ve seen.
Just got my slide back with with a RMR, Spartan, and Para cut. Absolutely phenomenal job. The Tungsten Cerakote was perfect!
Right on!
Nice! Makes me want to ship mine out even more. Been looking on their Instagram to figure out which cuts I like best.
Do you prefer milled slides over mos I’m new to it and thinking about milling mine for a Leupold delta point pro
@@codytrimble2618 if spending that much money definitely go with something tried and true durability wise and invest in an RMR type2. I definitely prefer the milling over an MOS
@@jagerwerksok I got a
gen 3 G22 that I want get a RMR cut for a Trijicon how do I go about this keep in mind I’m. A caveman Boomer
I have to say, I work in manufacturing as well and there is a balance between keeping trade secrets and showcasing abilities. This video is 100% a showcase and if anything just solidified why you guys are the best. Keep up the content!
appreciate that!
I love how many useful comments there are from CNC operators. So cool to read
Love how everyone is a CNC machinist expert in chat....lol
You must be new to TH-cam😁 If you go off the the comments machinists, pilots, welders, chefs, psychiatrists, doctors, SEALs, lawyers, etc, all have nothing better to do than watch TH-cam and comment on videos.
What a sight to see! I knew I made the right choice picking y’all. Can’t wait to see my slide in a few weeks.
Would love to see more of this “behind the scenes” content!
Did you get your slide back? What did you have done? Thinking of doing this to my g19. Which red dot sight did you get?
@@TexasRedneck yep! I got an RMR cut for my Holosun 507C, and I got the corner cuts to help with press checks
@@jimtran93 nice!
Was it expensive? I’m looking to do my edc g30 and g21
@@mr.sluggz5420 I'm sure there are cheaper places that do a faster and rougher job. But when it comes to my main tool, I didn't want to send it off to a random local shop. There is a good reason people still send in their slides even when they have a 2+ month lead time
I love seeing the proper fixturing for holding the slide but fire the programmer. No reason to do a helical entry on an open contour especially on every tool...you waste time air cutting and put unnecessary wear on the first tool you used to rough with.
I actually face palmed thinking the same thing.
I was in PAIN watching this programming. They cut more air than metal 😂
Respectfully, would you mind giving more of an explanation for us non-machinists. Specifically what is a helical entry in this context as well as an open contour, and why is it not ideal for this application? Genuinely curious.
@@johnlilley9363 Open air contour means a pocket with fewer then 4 walls. After the first tool runs there is really only a wall left at the muzzle and hammer end of the slide. The sides are open. At :43 he could have dropped to his cutting depth outside of the part to be machined then enter the cut using the side of the tool rather then plunging/ramping in using the end of the tool. If possible it's preferred to drop the tool into empty space to it's cutting depth then run the tool path. If you don't have free space to drop the tool into then the next best method is cutting in a downward spiral/helix motion as the tool enters the material. At 2:41 you can see he used a helix path with the smaller tool. Here, as with the first tool, he could have entered the part by dropping the tool to depth outside the part. Entering the material using a helix puts less stress on the tool. Sometimes a helix just won't fit the part geometry. In cases like this you can use a zig zag straight line ramp to get to depth. It's not as nice to the tooling as a helix, but it's ok. Plunging straight vertically into material with an end mill is a terrible way to treat tooling and should be avoided.
Basically there is a bunch of wasted time and bad machining practices in this operation.
@@waadgaad2024 Yeah, It's pretty bad.
I just wanna say I seen a lot of TH-cam videos with you guys slide cut and in my opinion you are the best. Am most definitely sending my Glock 45 to get cut soon as I get my Holosun 507c.
FYI with a large side mount tool magazine like that, you can call up the next tool while the first one is running. Just give the next tool command without the M06
Would this work on a Mazak too? On the Mazak 510C I'm running, it will ready the next tool before the tool change if I program with the built in Mazatrol. But it won't implement this if I program with Mastercam.
@@Amberas1 you can modify your post processor to do it (again it only works with side mount tool changers) I made a post processor for FANUC to pre-position the next tool automatically. Also, I’ve never use mazatrol but for FANUC or HAAS you can just put a “T(whatever tool number)” in the middle of the program that’s currently running, I put it somewhere after the H and D values have already been picked up, just in case. And make sure you don’t put the M6 out of habit
@@jacobbowling6247 cool! I'll look into it 😁
It works with Mazak just fine.
This is probably one of the most satisfying videos I have ever watched.
Just got my slide back. Thank you guys! The work is amazing and I am beyond pleased.
Thank you!!
Thank you!
About to send mine in. How long was the wait?
@@daddyden72 Was right at 8 weeks door to door with the nitride coating which adds a couple of weeks. Definitely worth the wait!
I would love to see your company make more behind the scenes content.
working on it!
The probe for work offsets is music to my ears. Edge finder is good practice, but the probe is so convenient when setting up multiple machines.
agreed!
This is a awesome company had my CZ P10s milled for a Vortex red dot,and my CZ P10c the red dot was installed by the company and the iron sights were Lazer lined the owner Steve is awesome.
IDK what the actual finished product looks like but I'm gonna say the Helical Lead in was to get the desired tool path look on the floor of the cut. If you did an open pocket lead-in, the floor of the cut may have looked different and not as aesthetically pleasing. It would be more efficient tho if you didnt care. The Lead in for the rougher was a waste of time tho. That definitely would have benefited from an open pocket Lead-in with an adaptive tool path.
When someone says "ItS JuSt As GoOd" im going to send them this video. Great work!
I've finally found another G19 so I can send one of my slides in and not be down my daily carry! Can't wait to have em both done by you guys!
Can I have one?
Just starting my first semester in CNC machining, seeing practical applications like this as a gun guy makes me happy. Maybe once I get my hands on something good Jagerwerks can make it even better for me 🤔
Come back to this video in a few years and spot things to improve. Almost nothing in this video is right.
Just sent my M&P in for the RMR cut. Feeling pretty good about it after watching this lol
Just sent my glock 35 slide. Now to order the vortex viper. Too excited to get it back nicely finished
Aaand that’s the one a day! Great job guys, see everyone tomorrow
Too cool!! Just sent you my G19 today for the exact same cut!!
thank you!
Thinking about sending my G19 how long is the wait time?
My ordered was placed 4/03/21 and the last update was 4/07/21 saying they received the slide. Nothing since, but I will update once the status changes.
@@Dream_Build_Explore Per our FAQ there are 3 status updates. Feel free to read about them. thanks!
Love my Glock 17. Amazing work guys! Might send more to you!
Slide milling ASMR for the glock enjoyer
I sent my slide and a Vortex Venom to you guys. Got sight milled. Front serrations and top window cut. Burnt Bronze Cerakote. It’s perfect. Awesome work! I will be sending more your way.
My wife and I are patiently waiting for our slides. Well at least I am.😂
It would be really cool to see a video on the black nitride coating process as well.
They did a awesome job on my P07. Think the only change I would do is a different color. The grey is almost black. Should have gone FDE. Awesome job guys/gals.
I initially read this thinking that you had an HK P7 RMR cut.
This was my immediate response, before re-reading
th-cam.com/video/yUGxDF7nYQ8/w-d-xo.html
when they did your p07. did u mount your optic directly to the slide, or did u purchase a mount separately and attach the optic to that?
What is the advantage of finishing the large flat surface with a smaller endmill then with a tiny endmill? Basically finishing the same surface three times.
If tools offsets match then couldn't you just finish the surface with the large endmill and make the cuts for the locking tabs with the small endmill?
Seems like that save a lot of machining time that it takes to go through all that surface with a small endmill? Or am i missing something here?
I wish I knew what that meant. 😂
You’re correct, there is a lot of waste in this program.
Only reasonable explanation is they what to create a pattern from the tool path which is why the small cutters are used including the helical lead ins, but that still doesn’t explain why the initial roughing tool has a helical lead in
@@Kyran31 but no reason to create a pattern.
I know Pierson work holding do something where they intentionally machine something with a specific tool path to create an aesthetically pleasing visual, it isn’t functionally necessary however, this could be the same, I have no idea what this even does to be honest
I'm always amazed by how little runout a mill like this has. The tools almost look like they aren't even spinning. *Perfection*
If it was visible, there would be an insane about of vibration
It always blows my mind how these machines can chew through hardened steel like its plastic.
Lots of people offer optics cuts, but few if any show the process. I have to ask if you use SPC within your milling process.
Judging by how much air they're cutting, they're complete amateurs in manufacturing. I doubt they even know what SPC is. They do good work, but it's because they know what quality looks like, not because they're efficient at achieving it.
Nice work. If you take a look at HEM toolpaths it could decrease cycle time and improve tool life. The toolpaths appeared to be old school pocket programs. Not sure if you have tried an endmill that has bottom wiper geometry to give a really smooth floor finish?
Hi Chris I’ve never heard of bottom wiper geometry before and think it would really help me in what I do, do you have any more info?
You would save time by having the tools be closer together in the carousel also, unless you have a multiple wide tools you can put the them next to each other and you save time with less carousel movement
If this is really how the slide is cut, then bravo. Using that small endmill to finish APPEARS to only be needed between the 3” rad & the nibs, however, finishing the entire cut with it achieves the best possible flatness the machine can generate.
Those were some heavy air passes. Really surprised the tool survived 😉
Is there any reason why you guys use that small bit and cut all those lines to finish; does it have a function? Is that for traction, or is it just a little extra aesthetics to set you apart from other brands? Also, do you guys do cuts for the Holosun 509t, and can you please make a video showing it.. I'm about to buy several of them and will likely use you guys. Thanks.. I subbed
Honestly it's either for the look looks of the toolpath or it's inexperience. I'm a machinist and programmer working in the Aerospace industry and while I know that their quality is great, watching this video hurt me so much! The tools (all of the endmills) spend soooo much time cutting air. Wasted toolpathing and wasted time means waster money. What was a 16-minute video at 70% speed would be 11 minutes at 100% speed. The cut shouldn't have taken longer than 5 minutes. No wonder they're always so booked. They need better programmers.
@@JosephAguirre , totally agree. It seems inexperienced programming and a basic haas pocket cycle used for everything. I cut 500 brinell, or 50 Rockwell all day every day and remove 500 times as much material in 6 mins.
Flame cut blanks as well.
Hope these guys get on top of it and succeed long time as there seems to be a market for it.
Also looks like a 50 taper machine so no need for the smallest tooling.
But hey, if customer is happy to pay, who are we to argue?
Really cool to watch, i didn't like the tapping the screw holes without cleaning the debris away first though.
When gunsmith's machine.
Hey this might be a dumb question but does the slide work come with an optic plate or do I even need one? Paid for the order today and mailed out my Glock slide. Not sure if I have to purchase an optic plate cause I paid for the sealing plate. Let me know when you can please
You had me at the Renishaw Probe.
When I used to run cnc machines all we made was the same thing every week. We had like seven different things we made. We'd make a few parts then a few of another type then a couple weeks later we'd make the other kind again. Probably one of the most boring jobs you can have honestly. Just make sure you're good on coolant and you're paying attention and listening to the machines.
It is amazing how things are done, awesome thanks for sharing
How much would this cost? Roughly, on average, what would be a normal price for this specific job on this slide?
Looking at it, I wonder why they don't clean the milling machine during filming. It would have been easier to see.
Can you explain why you drove the probe down all the way like that on the left side. And how do you make it go down different depths on the same action.
I am a machinist too. I work on HAAS everyday.
You guys should consider hiring a machinist. I believe it would be a great benefit to the company.
I'm guessing you guys can cut slots for any RDS mounting plate? e.g. HOlosun 508T/509T, Aimpoint ARCO p2....??...for any slide...Glock 18, 45 or a 1911 Alu or Steel slide...??
I sent my slide to get milled elsewhere, it’s a 19x slide. Do I have to have my slide cerakoted or I’ll be fine with out it?
When sending in a slide for work to be done, do you guys provide a new channel liner with it?
We will take care of the channel liner.
I have a Glock 45, do I send in my slide to you guys to mill it out? And after the milling process, do the coat in the area that was milled out?
This is way too cool. Awesome work.
Seems like this program cuts a lot of air.
Can you guys cut 226 slides? The milled slides. I’ve had one turned down because they said they couldn’t cut it for RMR.
If my slide already has a cerakote finish, can you just do the optic cut not the whole slide?
Damn, nice work. Who does this in Australia?
Climb cut? Coulda used HSM to rough and finish the pocket with a 3/8 EM to cut down time..
Does this do anything to the integrity of the slide long term? Also do you coat them any color after?
This is extremely satisfying to wach
Great work but just some criticism please clean up that entire program. Hurt to watch by the 2-3 tool. You can definitely ramp those feeds and speeds. Even though it’s at 70% I can tell after 13 yrs 100% isn’t much faster.
But this is a career path that strives with you learning and pushing limits. I’m subscribing for more machining content keep it up. Don’t take this as a bash just a push to continuously learn.
Therapy!
Just got my g19 back from milling for my 509t and god damn is it milled low in the slide. Even my I dot pros cowitness in the lower 1/3. It's perfect and worth it over any mounting plate.
How was turn around time?
@@LFODTACTICAL It was awhile, 2 months almost.
Absolutely fascinating!
This is so incredibly cool
Wish they had a better view of the completed slide at the end of video. 1 pick of the side just milled, 1 pick of the cerakote and 1 pick with everything installed!!!
Are the rapids at 100%??? I thought the SS was supposed to be decently fast on the rapids??
What's the purpose of the intricate finish pattern? Unless you are epoxying the MRO it's just a waste and adds unnecessary cycle time and cost.
Nice work, do you guys use a CAM system?
Besides making it pretty, is there a point to the tiny end mill?
I'm by no means an expert, but wouldn't using a facemill for most of the roughing operations save a lot of time? Regardless, beautiful result! Also, like the others said, I would definitely just ramp on in a linear fashion as opposed to doing some helical plunge with an endmill... kind of silly.
they don't want to show their true runtimes. Like how the next tool isn't rotated into position while the previous is still cutting. Plus the stated no fluid for visual.
That actually makes perfect sense, I didn't think of that! Great way to protect their toolpaths and programs in general from theft I suppose.
@@shanel4348 ..and people saying "f$%k !!! I paid $100 (or whatever it is) for 8 minutes worth of machining!!!
Whats the "estimated" turn around time for an RMR slide cut and coyote cerakote on a Glock G17 5th gen? I looked everywhere on your website to include the page that talks about cerakoting and could not find this info for myself. Your prices are excellent and I would like to get the aforementioned work done but I don't want to send my slide into Narnia for over a year and wait like I'm trying to get a tax stamp on a suppressor. Please and thank you!! :)
Took less than 30 days to get mine back.
Why the need for a fancy-looking design when it won't even be seen. I feel like this could be simplified way more with fewer steps.
Is the whole slide refinished or just the machined part? Is there an option where just the machined part is recoated?
We only offer coating for the entire slide.
@@jagerwerks hmmm is the nitride coating as good as the original glock finish? Im thinking about sending mine to you guys this week, but i really like the original finish of the glock.
@@dragon0361 Yup! most say its better. Feel free to read the reviews on that product on the website.
@@jagerwerks done deal, im pullin the trigger
Is a new coat of nitride/melonite applied after the cut to the slide? Or is it left raw?
You have the option to have them coat it or leave it unfinished.
How deep do you guys cut the pocket? .125 deep?
I have a Glock 19x how much was this slid work?
Is the RMR cut only for the RMR? I’ve seen some people say Holosun 507 also fits in the RMR cut also
the 507 uses the RMR footprint. So yes the Holosun will work for a slide that has been milled for the RMR.
Correct, Different screws will be needed. You can find extra screws on our website under Gear.
Ya know what they say about Haas Mills, here for a good time/ not for a long time....
Another idiotic comment. So tell us about all the other machines that run for years and years. 90% of machine failures are people that do not take care of their machines.
Is this a Haas CNC? Which model?
Will doing this throw off the cycling rate of my g19x?
Say Once the cut get done and i mount a trijicon rmr be off balanced
Or does it get balanced?
I want my stock night sights to
co witness is this possible?
With the way glock springs their guns its a non-issue. Night sights in general are kinda a waste, I'd recommend going with blacked out sights or black rear and fiber front in general and especially with pistol RDS. Jagerworks offers a sight package that I recommend. Otherwise order from Dawson or buy 10-8 .315 front and a .355 rear. Also send your optic with the slide to save some rounds when zeroing.
Edit* you can do a lower 1/3s co-witness which is preferred or absolute co-witness which isn't really preferred due to the rds being the primary sighting system. Hope this helps.
How deep did you mill and how deep did you drill?
And this work kosts how much? I mean now you can gold cover the slide, so much time you waste of with so many tools and changing time...
guys should run a thread mill on the holes
Do you sell optics to mount after cut is done in a package deal?
We sometimes carry optics on hand to sell. You are more than welcome to send in your optic with your slide and we can install it for free.
@@jagerwerks I'll contact you when I find one. I'm wanting the work done on a 19x.
damn dude, haas is everywhere now
Do they offer black nitride as an option after getting slide milled?
Yes. It's like 50 bucks and adds 1 to 3 weeks to the turnaround time. At least of this writing.
I wish I had a probe. They seem so nice
End product looks great, but I think it’s time for new milling software. That should be done in a quarter of the time.
And how deep do you drill the holes?
What’s with all the air cuts?
Anyone care to offer up the actual depth, length and width for cutting the slide for the Trijicon RMR? as well the screw hole placement?Thanks in advance
Just Google rmr footprint
How deep do they cut into the slide?
I'm still an MOS boy but man this was a cool watch.
check out our MOS+ and MOS+ plates.
What size is that last tiny endmill?
Those fragments remind me of shrapnel from a grenade!
I have an Arex zero 1tc and thought they were hand cut. This was pretty neat.
whats the price on this? glock 43x for a shield SMCS
They have prices on their website. Probably easier than waiting for a comment.
Sooooo, you did a 50000 milion different tool on something that could be done by 2 or 4 tools?
Hey and why do they remove so much material?
The lack of efficiency in this program is aggravating. 16 minutes? That whole operation should have been at MOST half that time for such a simple program and that is still running stupidly slow. There is no reason to surface that flat 3 times with progressively smaller tools.
Mesmerizing