Is this REALLY an ANDREW JONES Speaker? SourcePoint 8 Review
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► IS THIS REALLY AN ANDREW JONES SPEAKER? SOURCEPOINT 8 REVIEW
00:00 INTRO - ANDREW JONES MOFI SPEAKERS
00:28 SPECS - SOURCE POINT 8
00:55 AMPLIFIER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOURCEPOINT SPEAKERS
01:25 DESIGN AND BUILD - SOURCEPOINT 8 MOFI
02:01 ANDREW JONES SPEAKER SETUP & PLACEMENT
02:56 CURBING BRIGHTNESS
03:44 SOURCEPOINT 8 IN ROOM MEASUREMENTS
04:21 THE ANDREW JONES SOUND
04:51 THE SOURCEPOINT SOUND - BASS
05:35 THE SOURCEPOINT SOUND - MIDRANGE
06:13 THE SOURCEPOINT SOUND - TREBLE
07:12 SOURCEPOINT 8 - SOUNDSTAGE AND DYNAMICS
07:51 MOFI SOURCEPOINT vs KEF LS50 META
08:23 MOFI SOURCEPOINT VS WHARFEDALE LINTON
08:49 SOURCEPOINT 8 vs JBL L82
09:12 MOFI SOURCEPOINT vs KLH MODEL 3
09:46 ANDREW’S CONCLUSION
10:33 KRISTI’S TAKE ON THE SOURCEPOINT 8
11:41 MORE SETUP TIPS
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Any chance of you checking out the Heco Aurora 1000s or 800s?
I've just had a chance to listen to SourcePoint 8 on the Hi-Fi Show, and they drew my attention completely. And, how you described them, I experienced them the same, to the last word! It wasn't a big show, 16 rooms, but quite good installations, big names. Among all I have listened to, Andrew Jones really pulled me in. It was so vivid and alive. It seemed bright but exciting! I am completely overwhelmed and sure that I want them for my next...hopefully soon acquisition. Cheers!
Jones explained to one reviewer that the relative lack of bass extension is because the high excursion woofer required to reach those depths would have intermodulated with the tweeter by changing the waveguide shape and location while playing deep bass. The woofer used is highly damped with limited excursion. This makes sense and would explain other coaxial, coincident drivers (other than Tannoys lol) such as KEF’s and Andrew’s Unifi series being limited in size.
All good info. Appreciate you sharing!
Yet another fun video. Always enjoy the way you approach speaker reviews with the understanding how it might fit with one listener type versus another.
Thanks so much Harry.
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for including dynamics in your talking points. Too few reviewers talk about dynamics in their reviews.
Great review. I especially enjoyed the two perspectives on placement. I’ve owned a Tannoy custom tower and a couple of horn loudspeakers and have listened to man, many more. I find concentric designs, especially the Tannoys and Fyne, to have the best of two worlds of coherency from planar, and dynamics, of horns. To my ears in my room which is similar size and layout of yours, I find horns give a huge wide and deep soundstage when toed in to cross just in front of my listening position. With my Tannoys, the opposite but pulled way further out into the room.
Happy couple! It’s very good (and funny) to hear two points of view. Good luck finding a final setup position!
Brilliant review. Really happy that you got this to review. I watched a lot of interviews at Munich Hi-fi show with Andrew Jones explaining the speaker. ❤
So glad you enjoyed it, Hervie! Hope you are having a great day.
Love the design and as a fan of concentric speakers am curious to hear it. Thanks for the takes you two!
Great review video, I have had the pleasure of listening to both the source point 10s and 8s, couldn’t agree more, love em!! Maybe the best speakers I’ve owned had at home, the old OHM F’s , OHM Walsh 2’s , and magnepan MG1 s and Dalhquist DQ 10s , which I currently still have
Thank you for a (as far as I was concerned) very full, unbiased review. It's rare to find a reviewer/reviewers with no axe to grind. Well done indeed.
Great review. I'm glad MoFi is doing well .
I would like to give these a listen, heard the midrange is great. Thanks for the review.
I would encourage everyone who can audition them to do so, if for no other reason than to hear their unique sound and check out their design in person.
Nice and very informative review. Any chance to see a review(s) of sort not so conventional speakers, like Ohm's and/or Vandersteen? Similar price range but totally different.
Love the review Andrew and Kristi! I'm yet to hear the Sourcepoint 8 but LOVED the demo I got of the 10. Also, what coffee table is in your main lounge with the larger TV?
Very interesting speaker both cabinet and driver. The disparity between operational instructions is not an issue as it provides room to experiment for the user. I can easily see why Kristi likes them towed in as it accommodates her hearing needs. Again, allowing this speaker to be useful to a wider range of users. If towing in can effectively address any sibilance or fatigue then that is not a bad design. Thank you for this very professional review.
I’m a sucker for soundstage and midrange. I love concentric speakers especially for near field listening at low volumes. Coaxial drivers really do tend to sound brighter at higher volumes. As you increase the volume the the woofer’s response tends to be less proportionate to the tweeter. The woofer does double duty as a wave guide, so they can’t have very much excursion and have to rely on size. This is why they tend to clip at high volumes. In my experience an 8” coaxial driver will sound more like a 5” driver in the lower frequencies. I’m guessing the 10” version would have sounded much much better and less bright in a large open space such as this one. Almost all your graphs and data line up with what you’d find on most coaxial designs. Another great review by you guys! Thank you
Love your reviews, keep up the good work👌
Always enjoy you guys reviews , thank you
Thank you for watching!
It is always interesting to hear both opinions and varying perspectives. We all have our own things we look for. The toe in or not is funny. I like your professional vibe to the videos and learn tons.
I will add I could cross shop various speakers that might not be cross shopped based off of price alone, as the payoff from a better amp may not be the same on a efficient vs less effient speaker. However, I come from a Magnepan background where current is critical and am considering going with a more traditional speaker for an office system. I am fortunate to work from home and am not swamped with conference calls. I am looking for more than a desktop system which would be on at times 8-10 hours. Low fatigue on the highs and oddly coming up a bit short on bass are advantages. I can add a sub which can be turned off and on to rock when not working. This speaker is interesting. Open floor plan town house so the system would double as a 2 channel weekend music only listening system.
I love watching Kristi's growth and her confidence in trusting her own opinion even when it deviates from Andrews or public opinion! She makes great contributions to the reviews!
Agreed.... she's more knowledgeable than I think she gives herself credit for! People like Kristi -- who kinda discover the hobby through a friend or loved one -- make this hobby fun; especially as they grow more aware and certain of their own individual tastes.
I wish we could see her as well.
I really like coaxial designs like this. I wish there were more 2 way speakers setup like this.
Great take on your observations of these loudspeakers. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
I got to hear the Sourcepoint 10’s paired with a Luxman SQ-N150 tube amplifier. That combination sounded absolutely incredible 🎶
AWESOME REVIEW!!! I was JAW DROPPED at Axpona listening to the 10 and 8.. Another slam dunk review Andrew!!! Well done sir.
Thank you very much. From what I hear in the comments today, these speakers (and Jones himself) really had a great show at AXPONA.
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Thanks Andrew & Kristi! Would love to hear ypur point on the SuperDenton’s!!
Great review
everyone knows there is a hole in concentric and waveguide designs, so best to listen 10-15 deg. off axis. Always good to limit the cone movement of the woofer in a coax design, cut down on distortion from waveguide movement.
Pretty much all good quality coaxial/concentric drivers should be positioned _at least_ 10 degrees off axis. They have great horizontal dispersion out to around 40 degrees usually, with 15-20 being the sweet spot for most listening in my opinion. Either way, ignore the manual for these speakers unless you enjoy somewhat hot high frequencies.
One speaker that wasn't mentioned here for comparison is the Kef R3. It's slightly cheaper and also a concentric design so you still get the amazing vertical dispersion you don't get from traditional speaker designs. The R3 stays very neutral even while pointed at you. A good speaker to cross-shop.
Great review Andrew and Kristi👍👍
I have the new Kef R3 meta and I can say for certain. Do not two these in, when you do you hear a raspy sound at your setting level. I put them straight out and what a sound. Really good.
I did audition the large version of these and opted for the KEF>
Good stuff Andrew. :)
Appreciate you sharing your personal experiences! Thanks for tuning in!
Despite sounding a bit forward, I really enjoyed the 10” version. With good electronics they are stunning and throw a big lively soundstage. I haven’t heard the 8” version yet.
Hey guys! First time commenter, long time viewer. You have slowly/steadily become my favorite audio channel. It’s so clear to me now how much meaningless/vague talking heads out there. You and Kristi are the real deal informers.
So you mentioned that the 8’s wouldn’t be your pick for the best under 3k speakers… What would your pick be? This is my budget and I generally align with your objective thoughts and rationality. 😊
LOVE the White ....
Thoughts on having ... L, C, R - Source point 10... and .. Surrounds in Source point 8 ?
Good review if it can be more about the sound difference & character vs design. Most people will be interested in buying for the sound instead of design (exception for super hi price speaker)
Would have liked you to run these speakers with your vintage Pioneer receiver. That receiver may have toned down the highs a bit and brought out a bit of buttery midrange. Plus, it'd make a really neat looking setup.
I have not adjusted to the look of these speakers yet. Maybe they will grow on me. I found this particular review from you to be of a very high quality. The abundance of speakers at or near this price point may have contributed to that. Do you have any plans to review the 10s?
I am surprised that Monitor Audio Bronze 100’s or even the Silver 100’s were not mentioned. If I remember correctly you had a positive experience with the bronze 100’s and they are a fraction of the price. Nothing against these speakers or the design. Tannoy has been doing large cone concentric drivers for several years. Nice to see additional options. Love your reviews, keep it up.
I'm guessing that the TV shown at the moment isn't one of the Samsung Frames, if that is true, what app are you using for the photography screensaver?
I have his Pioneer line paired with an SVS SB-1000 and it sounds amazing. I’ll forever be thankful to the bro for making hifi accessible
His Pioneer speakers were epic!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews always felt they were a little thin... but at the price it was hard to find something to compare it to.
Do you find other comparably priced speakers are as bright as these before correcting with placement?
These speakers are way better looking without the grills. As always, nice review. Thanks.
Cool. Always down for another review. Im still loving my new Emotiva towers for stereo…
Which towers did you pick up?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Emotiva T3s. RF7IIIs went back down to the home theater. After a month or so, i still really like them. Lets face it. The Klipsch were big shoes to fill. The big emotivas are different, but i love them
Is it safe to assume that ANY speaker with rear facing ports are far from ideal for small room application, where it's inconvenient or impossible to move the cabinets any useful distance from the rear wall?
I was eying these up or the larger version but ended up going for mission 770’s hearing you say these can be bright kinda feel relieved the missions are just bright enough for my taste and I’ve been thoroughly enjoying them thus far.
The 770s are FANTASTIC speakers and are no where near as bright (or as finicky with respect to setup) as the Sourcepoint 8.
Oh, I forgot about the Missions. I think the 700 bit.ly/3SqJkBu would be most comparable. Glad you are enjoying the 770s!
700’s we’re more my budget but I managed to get the 770’s for £2500 ex demo, at that price I couldn’t resist 🤭 they’re black which wasn’t my first choice but I intent to wrap them a lighter oak and definitely make some custom stands because Kirsty was right the stock stands really let them down, keep up the great work guys!
Thanks and that is a nice design!
Thank you for watching, Lonnie.
I would really love to see a comparison between these and the Hsu Research CCB-8. Fingers crossed!
I sit at home 😀 The new Source point speakers sound very intriguing. I have the Elac UF52 speakers (with center) currently and am very happy with it. I have met Andrew and listened to the TAD REF1 speakers. They sound phenomenal. Unless the goddess of fortune changes her mind I won't be owning those. By the way I bought the ELAC UF52's without hearing them first, on the strength of my experience with Andrew's TAD Reference and his design history. Guessing we have similar sound tastes.
I was hoping these would be a bit more of a home run... I'd like to put them near a wall boundary to reinforce the bass impact a bit more but worried I'd be losing the mid range transparency that really makes them great. Trying to run subs really kinds defeats the purpose of coherency and time alignment of a source point driver so I will probably wait for something else. Thanks as always for a clean review!
I suspect it has more to do with their room and less to do with the speaker. I think the 10” version wouldn’t have these issues. Or if they were in a smaller room they might have had a more balanced frequency response.
Most bookshelf speakers, hell most speakers, tend to benefit from a sub. I’d give them a try!! They’re fun speakers.
Thanks for sharing
Cool. Now you need to do a Sourcepoint 10.
Great review as usual. Prefer 6" size speaker. Look pretty good. Brighter than 600M? I find 600M can be too bright for me at times but a very enjoyable speaker. Thanks for sharing and great comparison.
As always, great video and chemistry between the two of you. Glad you made mention of the B&W 805 D4 in your comparison.
After about a week with the Sourcepoint 8s, the only speaker in our reference fleet I could think about were the 805s as there are some similarities. That said, I prefer the 805s across the board and find their bass to be better than the 8's FWIW.
Thank you, Phillip.
I just love the design.... love it love it! Love looking at it🥰
I got to hear the speaker in Costa Mesa had an audio file event a few months back and it blew my socks off. I was so impressed with a $2500 speaker. They actually played TOOL at reference and I I’m really considering it as my next speaker but I’m probably gonna move up to the 888. I want some thing that’s gonna move a little bit more air and I can afford the $5000. I am so impressed with these speakers.
My current speakers (Infinity P-FR) are a Fincham and Jones design. They are 96db efficient and the way you describe the setup is the same way you set up the P-FR's pointing straight ahead. I'd love to hear the source points one day!!! I've also owned the Bagend M6 so I'm familiar with source points speakers. I love what he's doing with the source points...high efficiency, and seemingly razor sharp imaging!!!!
Going to have to google that speaker as it's not coming to mind, but I appreciate you sharing!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews oh I forgot... excellent if not your best review yet!!!!!
Hi from Quebec. Leaving on a budget.. I apreciate the alternatives you suggest, like the Linton or Klipsc. I like mr Jones's designs, but why not the origina Tannoys then? knowing (am I wrong?) these MoFi are ..''Made in China''. Then Zu speakers make more sense at half the cost, and Made in USA. Just my thoughts.
How does this speaker compare to the KLH Model 5?
I haven’t heard it, but I’m pretty happy with my Heresy IV’s. If these speakers are in the same ballpark, I would give them both a listen for sure if I was shopping.
Glad to hear you're still enjoying your Heresy IVs.
Now it’s time to review SourcePoint 10. I thinks it’s time to review EPOS ES 14 N as well. Karl Heinz Fink and Andrew Jones are two of my favorite loudspeaker designers around.
Realistic mc 1200. Sounded really good in the 80's
What is your opinion of the SourcePoint vs the ELAC Vela BS403s?
How did they do on the home theater/tv end?
How about the Mission speakers compared to these 8s?
I would have been interested in how it compares to the Source Point model 10 and at that price I would be also looking at Vandersteen 2CE Sig III and the Zu Audio DW 6
Zu's=🚧👎
Hey, thanks
You are the best for reviews but it can drive a newbie nuts looking for a tower speaker. I originally was going to buy in this order, ML Motion, Ker r11 meta and Paradigm Founders then decided yesterday I have purchased the Bowers and Wilkins 700 S3 with the Denon 4800h and SVS SB 3000.
Thanks for your time!
Glad to hear you found a combo that ultimately worked for you! Thanks for tuning in!
Andrew I just bought a RP8000F II thanks to your reviews.
Erin's Audio Corner did a great review of the larger SourcePoint 10. I think he said the best results were to point the speakers toed out a little.
I don't consider myself an expert and I don't think I have "Golden Ears." But I do hear live instruments and vocals in intimate indoor setting a few times a year (like in small public venues, but also in living rooms and other rooms in houses because I have musically-inclined family members.) If you've ever heard drum cymbals or piano or guitar up close, even at low volumes, it's pretty damn "sharp" (i.e. "fatiguing") when it comes to high-frequency sound. What I find is that if you want accuracy / realism / "true-to-life" sound, GOOD* speakers that people tend to describe as "fatiguing" actually sound (to me) closer to real-life than most other speakers, at least in my relatively limited experience. (For reference, I have been lucky enough to hear / demo some high -end speakers like Golden Ear's, ML electrostatic's, B&W's, and RBH's highest-end models.)
*I don't want anyone to confuse my claims with speakers that are actually too harsh in the top-end, that distort because they do boost too much of the top-end, etc.. For me, one example example of this would be Klipsch's older and/or cheaper models, especially when played at volume levels where they distort (like I've unfortunately heard on occassion at venues like Top Golf in the past.)
Wonderfull review.
So when do the two of you go all in (the rabbit hole) and tries out the mother of concentric design. A really large 15 inch dual concentric design. Like the Tannoy Arden or even bigger ??
Thx for a lovely channel for men and woman.
All the best for the two of you :)
Not sure about the Arden but we were discussing a Tannoy review but I'm not sure it's going to happen now.
Have a great day and thank you for watching.
@@KristiWright maybe then give fyne audio a try. Fyne audio was established by ex tannoy guys and if you have a look at their speakers you immediately recognize they are very similar
Love to know if you tried the source point 8’s with the Marantz 40n, or how you would compare them to the Buchardt S400 MkII (and the Zu DWX since maxed out they are close in price and appear to be a larger bookshelf speaker)
We no longer have the 40n so that is not a pairing we tested. I think they would be fine together - just double check your specs. We cannot speak to the others.
Hello from Las Vegas!
Hey Roy! Hope you're well!
I was wondering if you could give your thoughts on what you think of the source point 8 against HSU ccb-8 i never heard the source points in person but i have heard the Hsu at RMAF and was pleasantly surprised are the mofi worth the money ?
I really appreciate you’re videos! I have watched many of them , some of them multiple times. I have found them to be very informative and helped me greatly. You’re advice had a Major impact of two of my purchases… The first being the Polk R 700. Absolutely love them and had to wait for them for almost a year, however it was well worth it.. The second being the Onkyo TX RZ 50.
I have a question. I’m thinking about upgrading my 30 year old infinity book shelf speakers. I’m deciding between the Polk R 200 and the Sonus Faber Lumina II.
My listening preference is similar to that of you’re better half…(Kristi.). Hope I spelled that correctly… I tend to lean to the bright side..🤠
What is you’re preference between the two? For movies I run a 5.1 set up through the Onkyo…..For music I will run the Polk R700 and the book shelf speakers through the Vincent SV737. I have them going through a Switch that allows me to go from Onkyo to Vincent and vise versa. Just can’t decide on which one to get… What’s you’re take?
I have the R200's. You'll probably get more low end out of the R200's and more top end with the Lumina II's. I'm sure Kristi would go Lumina's!
Both are great options but if you find yourself having more in common with my listening habits, you’ll likely prefer the SFs. Add a sub for the extra bottom end.
@@bearclaw5115 nailed it 😊
God damn it Andrew you are so good at writing your reviews
Thanks!
You can tell by simply looking at the cones suspension that it is not designed to have much travel. I hope for more companies trying coaxial designs, as they would be amazing for surround speakers with their positional accuracy. But maybe less good as main speakers. Considering their limited frequency range
That's true AJ did mention in an interview that he limited excursion of the woofer for better consistency with the tweeter's response.
My adult son is setting up a room in his new house. I may give him my vintage Triangle Titus speakers which are front ported. Considering this as a replacement, however my space is his old bedroom. Don’t know how the room will handle a rear ported design. Initially had a vintage pair of rear ported JBL in there. The Triangle’s sounded much better.
Personally I love the look. And as always it was great fun hearing all the comparisons.
Thanks so much for watching.
You can try adding a dust jacket to measure it, maybe you need TOE IN
I own the Sourcepoint 10. I prefer them off my shoulder or firing straight ahead. Having tinnitus probably a factor. Imaging and soundstage excellent around 10’ apart in my space. I’m enjoying them a lot, possible subs in the future.
That makes sense. Sorry about the tinnitus. Mine ring from time to time which is worrying. What power source are you using with yours?
@@KristiWrightI took a shot in the dark and bought a NAD C 3050LE. It had the modern features I wanted and was new lol. I’m sure there’s a better match but it’s here for now. tempted to buy three 8’s for 5.1 or 5.2 and I would definitely need a different amp. All fun!
@@Hifiwino They pair well with these amzn.to/3VFWD28 if you want to go that route. Way more affordable :).
Speakers drivers are all without exception measured on axis... Speaking on behalf of those north of 60 years old, toeing these speakers in slightly would be fine... On toeing them to the point of being on axis, no, but the original user manual's instructions to point it forward of your sitting position could actually be very interesting for some whose preference lean that way.
Sourcepoints' 8 elevated highs balance nicely with Kristis' "rolled off hearing" (no pun intended). Considering vintage design of the speakers, which resonates better with older customers, I say it is a good design choice.
Do you think your little Decware amp would drive these OK?
That was an interesting review, Andrew. Years ago there was no such thing as a "sub woofer" for music. Speakers were designed to produce bass down to 30 HZ, with a roll-off of 2 to 3 db. There was no need to go above 20K hz. Subs were designed to reproduce sound you could "feel', rather than hear. Hence their popularity with home cinema sound effects. The prefix "sub" means "underneath or below." So a sub woofer is a driver that produces frequencies below the range of a bass speaker (woofer). Even my Rogers Studio 1 speakers had a frequency response of 28 to 23k hz plus or minus 2 db.
I had a subwoofer 45 years ago.
I believe you're mistaken about the Rogers Studio 1 frequency response.
AR made passive subs in the 80s and 90s.
I love the fit and finish of the Source Point 10s and I'm sure these, but sonically I prefer a warmer more laid back sound. For those reasons, I'm out (Shark Tank). Of the comparisons you made, I'll pick the Whafredale Linton's over the SourcePoint 8s.
Now, pricewise, I would buy the Polk R700 over the 8s. Another monitor that i would choose over the 8s are The Buchardt S400 Mk 2s.
Sounds like a smart choice for you.
The best part of reviews in this channel is the female's perspective. So refreshing and brings a true balance to the verdict
Again, I have to agree with Kristi on speaker looks. Absolutely stunning! You can't learn good taste !
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Try them with a REL T7X with the high level input
i have klipsch 600m mk1's and am plotting my next loudspeaker purchase. i've really got my mind set on the klipsch heritage line but i was curious about the sourcepoint's as well. thanks for the review and i just noticed the K on your forearm. is that for klipsch, kristi or ketamine?
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@@KristiWrightstudies are showing it having therapeutic potential for treating depression. i've never tried it but am intrigued. 😅
Did you consider showing a sweep overlaying the initial increased toe-in to what you settled on?
This could be educational for viewers to see the measured difference.
The first measurement shown in the video is from our listening position with the speakers not on axis (not toed in as per MoFi's instruction) as you can see it has very little roll-off and is pretty darn linear even off-axis. The second measurement shown is on-axis from a distance of 3 feet (1M) where you can see the treble actually rise as you near 20kHz.
As far as overlaying the two, this would require some additional work on my part. In the future, I will play around with this when I have time.
How do you think these would work as LCR for home theater? Maybe with the center speaker on its side?
These have been somewhat designed with HT in mind, in fact, the 8s can be put on their side as a center speaker with no change in the overall sound --at least according to the folks behind the design of this speaker.
Great review 👏. This is for Kristi. How does this speaker compare to the Q acoustics in terms of intelligibility?
We did not directly A-B the two so I'm hesitant to answer. I *think* these bit.ly/3b0IbQ2 are better in that specific regard, especially when off axis.
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Thanks a million.
I have the Jones Pioneer speakers and I think they are great. Did you ever review them?
If you google those speakers and my name you'll see my old written reviews.
As always, Kristi for the win!
I think Andrew has quite acute hearing and is treble sensitive. Meanwhile, Kristi seems to have hearing like me- I am not that treble sensitive. So, most of the time, I lean toward Kristi taste with analysis from Andrew that explains why I agree with Kristi.
Anyway, Andrew Jones is a speaker design legend and these are interesting but out of my price range. I like the design, I think Mofi does interesting stuff. But I'm a bit dubious as to if the price is justified given the existence of KEF and Buchardt speakers.
I find the development of most new designs rather sonically superfluous by now and liken to a nutshell game with regard to the same compromises that have been present forever. It's become a game of how many different ways can a computer design the same speakers. Is how I end up with same type bass reflex designs that I managed to get to work satisfactorily for decades by now and just stick with it because it works. All of this unicorn chasing and cork sniffing just ends up being the long way around to the same end.
Low 'audible' distortion, and double the power one either thinks, or is told that they need, is enough, if one cares about the actual music, at least.
Interesting conclusions about brightness. If frequency response falls below centre line, what makes it appear bright, not harsh!, bright you say, might be some issue upstream, component or auxiliary, an ugly smps bleeding into AC?
Otherwise, its a rel small bookshelf speaker, so saying it doesn’t do much bass in a lobby sized hall needs interpretation.
I keep hoping Andrew Jones will build a floor standing speaker with the 8 or 10 inch source point drivers , That would help the bass and give us that full range sound that would be a more complete package for sound
A tower would be interesting. I would have liked to see an even smaller bookshelf than the 8, skipping the 10 for a tower. A 6, 8, 10 respectively.
@@KristiWright I think Andrew said that smaller than 8 wouldn't work well because he had to limit excursion of the woofer for the tweeter's sake.
The reason you don't tow them in is because of diffraction issues from the tweeter which makes them even brighter/harsh
True, but at the same time, it's odd that the manual (which I assume Jones had a hand in making sure things were "correct") there is no mention or note of this.
If i were auditioning these speakers i'd want to hear them with a tube amp or hybrid before deciding.
Love LOVE Andrew Jones Pioneer speakers. They have to be the best bang for the buck in audio.
I agree with you