Is Juilliard Worth It?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- The prestigious Juilliard School of Music has recently come under scrutiny from the media due to the controversial tuition freeze protest held the second week of June, reaching as far as TwoSetViolin. While Juilliard certainly isn't the magical place it has been made out to be by pop culture in the past, it isn't the evil institution it has recently been painted as. To find the middle ground, I list the pros and cons of studying at Juilliard based on my first-year experience there and evaluate whether or not I believe studying at Juilliard is worthwhile.
I tried to be as neutral as possible in my evaluation, but of course many of the things I discuss are based on my opinion and it is fair to disagree with me on any of these issues.
At the end of the video, I compare tuition + room and board for Juilliard and the other 3 conservatories I applied to for college 1.5 years ago. Here are the sources I used:
www.juilliard.edu/campus-life...
necmusic.edu/tuition-fees
www.esm.rochester.edu/financi...
www.oberlin.edu/admissions-an...
Background music: Bach Cello Suite no. 2 in D minor: Prelude and Sarabande (except it's all pizzicato), performed by me. - เพลง
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You need to be an exceptional talent to pursue classical music as a profession. I went to Juilliard for my Masters and enjoyed everything . I thought I had enough talent to make it but after 3 years of auditioning to major orchestras, finally realized that my talent wasn’t enough to make it. I decided to go to the medical field as a radiologist MRI tech. Best decision I’ve ever made. I make around $140k and play the cello as a hobby and enjoy playing chamber music with my colleagues in the medical field.
Talent or skill
I found it hard to focus on King's speech when there were cute fish wall stickers behind him
I was going through an ocean phase when I redesigned my room at age 11
Not surprised by anything the VK said except I didn't know Curtis was THAT selective! No wonder Ray Chen had to audition twice.
I graduated from Juilliard in 1997 and remember the terrible cafeteria food. At the time the tuition was $13k per year and definitely worth it IMO. I remember the atmosphere being cutthroat especially for violinists and pianists. Violists were laid back.
You went to Juilliard and you're talking about THE FOOD??!!!!!! Sorry, I don't get it ..
Also(correct me if I'm wrong) doesn't NY have a few other eating establishments here and there?😕
@@damianbroderick3913 American food is disgusting sewage.
@@damianbroderick3913 Uhhh, to perform at your best at anything as demanding and difficult as professional music you need good food. The administration is short-changing students and undermining its mission if does not provide superior food at its cafeteria.
@@damianbroderick3913 They tell the truth! I graduated a few years before.
I like your balanced portrayal of the issue. It did surprise me that other schools can be even more expensive than Juilliard. Overall, I think colleges of every type are overcharging for their services. If nearly everyone needs scholarships and grants just to attend, perhaps the schools should simply lower the cost of attending. (Yes, I know the money for the grants and scholarships come from sources other than the schools, but it still seems very messed up.)
I think until you actually attend one of these places, it''s unfair to say whether they're overpriced or not.
@@damianbroderick3913 I have a Fine Arts degree, though not from a music school as I am a visual artist by profession. I have a lot of professional musician friends, some of whom did go to some of these exact schools and all of whom have been working musicians for decades. It is hard to justify the current costs when comparing them to what you can earn as a musician, especially given that most people who attend a music academy don't end up playing music for a living.
Thank you for your balanced view and providing some facts. I had no idea that studying music is generally so expensive in the States.
It’s really cool seeing how your presentation style and public speaking skills have improved over time, man! Keep up the good work, remember me when you’re at 1 mill!
Fun fact, you could make a living out of music without paying huge amounts of money on universities. That's true even for classical musicians. The most important in any field is to always be available, proactive and gain trust while showing competence. For musicians, the degree doesn't weight that much. In the end it's about the results you give.
While the structure for learning is good, the price isn't worth it. It's not proportional to your future salary as a classical musician.
So I don't think it's worth it, but I whatched out of curiosity.
The name is so huge, that attracts the best possible students, therefore if the person did not learn much or even anything, it's irrelevant, they still play very well,.I know some who earned DMAs and Master's who happen to be great players, but they developed their skills before going to Juilliard, no hard feelings at all, just pointing that out, which by they way they told me. It is always surprising to learn what teacher is truly beyond someone's playing. And allow me to stress that by the time super stars like Lang Lang and Yujah Want were accepted at another famous institution like Curtis they were already playing phenomenally, I haven't seen fellow students from their same teacher playing at that level...
Exactly- I think THIS is the point!👍
Ther was no cut throat competition when I went there in the mid 60's everyone was very supportive of each other despite rumors from outsiders about razor blades hidden between piano keys etc.
I like the way you explained. It was much better than twoset. I like that you have a calm voice, you play the viola, you study a lot and at the same time you delight the world with your mastery.
Great video!!👍👍👍
Great video and I really appreciate the balanced and objective approach you present.
Now for my question: I am a fiddler and I am looking at adding more verity to my recordings/album I’m working on. So I have been contemplating both and octave violin, or a viola/5string fiddle. My question is what would you suggest?
5 string violins probably work fine for fiddling purposes, but the C string will almost definitely sound muddy so it will be a challenge to work with. If you try a viola, it will be hard to get a good tone but worth it in the end. Either way, if you can use the C string wisely it will add some spice to your album
@@ViolaKing Awesome! thanks for the suggestions. Now I just have to find a left handed viola or five string fiddle. Whichever I find first will most likely determine which I actually use lol
Of course it's worth it- I'm listening to Sergio Mendes talk right now-you have one chance, make the most of it.
This video seemed to paint a more complete picture than twoset's. Thanks!
A quick comment : I am under the impression that the viola pizz and your voice are close in frequency, I had some trouble concentrating on your talking. But I liked the pizz!
I wonder if there is a way to hear both without them conflicting. Higher pizz? High-pass filter ?
Looking forward to watching the next video.
It has been said that my voice sounds like a viola. I’ll experiment to make it less similar
@@ViolaKing that's a compliment 😉
@@ViolaKing You don't have to change your voice, I think most of your viewers actually like it!
well. this guy actually Went to the school.
The average graduate, ten years after graduating, makes about the same as a Mcdonalds shift manager. Is it worth it? Financially, it's a hard NO.
Great video. As someone who personally attended Juilliard Pre-College for 5 years, and was later accepted into Undergrad for violin, I have a lot to say about this topic lol.
I can say Juilliard Pre-College is 100% worth it and is a life-changing experience you'll never forget.
For undergrad, if you get a good scholarship and know you want to perform for the rest of your life, consider it.
I turned them down because I realized I didn't want to be a performer and spend the rest of my life traveling, I'm now a business owner who helps people get into Juilliard and I'm happy with my choice :)
Definitely important to note: Once you have the Juilliard name with you, it truly does follow you for life and open many doors for you. I promise you that.
I think the question of "Is Juilliard is worth it?" depends on your ultimate goals for what you want in life.
No career is easy, you REALLY have to want whatever you do and fight hard for it, no matter what you do!
If you're considering college and in your gut, you dream of performing around the world and are willing to do anything it takes to learn the skills to also learn how money works (Juilliard will not teach you this lol) - DO IT!!!! :) but definitely plan early and work hard to make sure you get a ton of scholarships
Very interesting video 👍👍👍
I am impressed of how expensive is tuition in first world countries!
yeah I've seen a lot of that pop culture view of Julliard growing up haha
Same
Just a general question, how would a non-American enter Juilliard (or actually any US college) if the education system in their country is different?
Oftentimes that information is available on a school's website, but you can always contact the admissions office and ask. Be aware that pretty much all schools (in the US and elsewhere) charge more for non-resident (foreign) students.
Juilliard doesn’t care much about academics as long as you can speak English effectively, so it’s not much different for international students
You can start by illegally crossing the boarder. That would be your first step.
Went there. It’s worth it. Learned a lot and it changed my life. But it is expensive.
Hey I am not sure do you still answer here, but can you pls make video talking about your audition at Juilliard, more about the technical issues not how you play the pieces, but how you contact the school, when you come for the audition, did you have enough time for warm up, what said or ask you the faculty at the time of your performance, did they stop you on the middle or listen all from the begining to the end, when and how you find out that you are accepted etc.Basically what happen from your 1st contact until your acceptence. :)
Hi, I talk more about this in a video called “How I got into Juilliard” from about a year and a half ago. It’s basically a two-part application process: prescreening and audition, warmup time is up to you. I think I answer the rest in the video
@@ViolaKing Oh cool. Did you play same things on the prescreening and the audition and did the jury said or ask you anything on the audition or just listen the all music quietly and let you go? Also did u get any schoolrship? That video is more about other schools than Juilliard. :)
@@ViolaKing hi. Do you think itd be insulting to current students and alumni by wearing the schools clothes available on the online shop? I really love music! Especially classical and am always on the lookout to rep that sort of thing.
In these cases I’m extremely happy lots of excellent unis in Brazil are free 😅
During the audition, do Juilliard pre-college students get an advantage, is it the same or is it harder for them?
Teachers decide who is admitted, so if you study with a teacher during precollege and they like you it would be an advantage. But you could also get the same advantage by having a trial lesson or meeting a teacher at a summer festival
@@ViolaKing ok thanks
Honest answer (from an insider): It depends.
Con #2 they’re actually prestigious!
Do they take all instruments? (I’m trumpet)
Yeah food on a normal year is really good
I hope they have kombucha next year, I saw that in one of Sumina Studer’s videos
While this is interesting, I’m not sure if you can make an adequate evaluation until you are finished with your degree and paying off your debt to say if it’s worth it.
Everyone has debt at this point so what??? Live life and get what u need to achieve your goals
How the hell can any sane person actually believe that spending $70,000 for tuition at Julliard is a wise investment? Or at any sort of school, for that matter? People who go along with this have their priorities messed up -
Look at it this way: Mozart surely didn't need to go to the Julliard school of music of his day in order to be successful, nor to be a great composer.
The same can be truthfully said of a huge number of other composers.
Better to go to Juilliard as a GI bill recipient! Lol
If you don’t mind be asking, what music did you apply to Juilliard with?
I played Bach D minor prelude and gigue, Bartok viola concerto Mvt. 1, and Brahms E flat sonata Mvt. 1
@@ViolaKing This is just based on gossip/rumors but do you think that there are a lot of cases where violinists switch to Viola just to get accepted? Then switch maybe back?
Viola Davis told an awards audience that her experience was not a good one.
Juilliard faculty do not get paid much.
Good content, but the pizz piece under it sounds like somebody is noodling while a teacher is talking...
My manager went there.She is a snob!!!
What was the transition to McDonald's like?
The top soloists of the past decade come from ANYWHERE except the Juilliard.
Ever since Dorthy DeLay died it’s never been the same
Is the food better this year?
Thankfully yes, much better. Still not gourmet but pretty solid for a small college
I think it becomes hype and crap when you can't earn a living and you have to busk. Busk around Julliard and see if those ex-profs of yours give $10 for a coffee.
70 k a year with 50% success rate seems like a high gamble to me. If you are a true savant talent then just go be a musician and save the money.
You may look cheerful during your vid, but u nfortunately your 'expression' for your title promotion rather made me think,"Better 70 grand than look at that gave!'😕
That face!*
Go study in Germany. You will get top notch education and you won’t pay anything. I know, I did it. Cheers
Is this available for international students?
Hasn't any body ever heard of Curtis? Tuition is free. Yea it ain't in New York . I agree on that. Philly. Just across the river from Camden . You would love that .No seriously
Yeah but as he mentioned Curtis is extremely selective on who they select and is generally for the best of the best of the musicians in the country.
@@telebtw5697 oh I didn't know it was for the best of the best
@@robertbrawley5048 their acceptance rate is 2%😭😭
@@leynasharpe8605 oh so that's why I never hear about Curtis . I didn't realize it was so hard to get into
@@robertbrawley5048 yep! but if you do get in you don’t have to pay for anything (if accepted) except for the application fee and traveling there ofc
They need to charge more for some people in order to pay for the people who are failing financially like parents who are choosing to be drug addicts and their child has talent
No, it's not. It's all bs. Juilliard is no better than other much less known music schools. They just happen to be richer, and people conflate that with prestige.
Not an unbiased review.
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The music in this video competes for attention from the viewer and is distracting, not enhancing the experience.
Please don't put distracting music in videos when the purpose of the video is to provide information, not entertainment. Or, place music in between sections of speech. Or, if there must be music with speech, make sure the music is not distracting from the speech. Plucked strings playing fragments of melodies are practically demanding a listener's attention and don't serve to support your speech at all.
If you feel you must put music in the background of your speech, first ask yourself why. Do you feel what you're saying is too boring to stand on its own? If so, how does providing music solve that problem? Maybe rewrite what you will say so that it captures and holds the listener's attention.
I heard a fragment of the music by itself at the end. I assume it is a piece of music that you particularly like, which is why you chose it. Unfortunately, you do neither yourself nor the music a service by layering it on top of your speech - the listener is distracted from your speech and is deprived of an opportunity to heard the piece without your speech interfering.
Creating a video is like composing a symphony. There is a time and place for each instrument - a time for speech, a time for music, a time for both to be in unison, and times for both to be heard on their own.