They are trying to “balance” the classes to make it “fair.” The Roman’s of course had no such concept, I’m not sure if they even had weight classes. Edit: debunked by metatron, they did balance so longer match.
They're obviously all _relative._ Is an armored warrior "slow"? NFL pads are much lighter than armor, and some players are literally twice Metatron's size and strength, yet none would deny they are *slowER* in the pads than without.
Yeah. In a game, balancing is important because you want people to choose different styles while still having a roughly equal chance of winning overall. Real life doesnt work that way.
@@jasondolph2785 he is a linguist and speaks multple languages, and definetly knows english better than me. I think the first guy who answered me was right, though it was really obvious still
There was a game called, Spartacus Legends to PS3, based in the serie, it was amazing, you can used and personalize your own gladiators. I miss that game, was amazing.
Yeah, when i first watched that i was caught off guard by his sudden shift towards dramatic hype-man esque commentary. Pretty entertaining but not what i initially hoped for lol
Delivered immediately after a video about 'why women weren't good warriors.' Is this purely an educational tack, or is it a form of promotion? Some things never change 😅☀️
The weren't nescessarily topless.However Mevia, one of the most famous gladiatrices, who excelled in fighting beasts, was particularly known for fighting topless :)
As a Soldier, I can tell you wearing anything that covers your face sucks ass when you're doing anything athletic. It does feel like youre being slowly smothered and it gets very hot because of your breathing. It can be overcomed by training in the gear but initially it sucks.
thats why many gladiators had grids or bars covering the mouth instead of full plate. also most fights didn't last for more than 10 to 15 minutes whereas real soldiers of the time period often had to fight for several hours in even heavier gear and armor.
@Tomichika Promask homie gotta protect myself from the DPRKs gasses. Oh and Promask is short for protective mask it's essentially a gasmask. Soldiers have to train in it sometimes depending on their units mission. In Korea everyone pretty much does training in MOP gear because of the threat of CBRN in the AO
@@sagray75 well yeah, but thats not technically an armour, is it? 😅 Even though I dont know. It protects you, so it kinda is. Its more of a linguistic question. Ive spent many hour in one of these masks with filters on so I know even existing in it is awfully draining. Respect to anyone who does some drills with it on.
@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 No one said there weren't any serious injury or death. But the primary goal of the game (yes, it was a game) was live entertainment, and most them were not killed or seriously injured. It was stupid to waste expensive and time consuming human resources.
@@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 I'm not disagreeing with your point at all but pro wrestling is not exactly 'safe' either especially if you take into consideration how many lives were claimed from indirect causes (performance boosters, pain meds, underlying health conditions, etc) and the many people who have been seriously or even fatally injured due to botched moves and/or repeated blows to the head. WWE today is nowhere near not as bad as it was in the 20th century but it's still not without risk. WIth all that out of the way, the life of a gladiator was many levels of magnitude more dangerous than being a wrestler/MMA fighter in modern times, even at it's most extreme modern iteration pre-21st century it still pale in comparison to the brutality of ancient MMA/wrestling (pankration) which was still safer than being a gladiator. Hopefully that puts things into perspective for people who thinks that gladiatorial games were something akin to the type of silly performance act you'd see in a classical theater.
One thing that frustrates me, TH-cam will allow a guy doing hair removal on his butt, then ban a channel for boobs even if it's for historical accuracy.
No, he didn't. Imagine just being 2cm⁄s slower than the speed c of light with respect to a reference clock U. In a second according to _your own_ clock, what distance would you cover? A light second? No, about a light day, i.e. over 86000 times that. Meanwhile you inevitably procede by roughly a day of U coordinate time any second of your proper time.
The Crupellarius does make me wonder if there were examples of western Roman military gear still around by the beginning of the medieval period they could have used as direct inspiration for later armors.
@ 18:20 I've usually assumed they don't just mean "you could" but that it was a common tactic to use the edge of the buckler to attack. But then again, like the saying says: when you "assumed" you can make an 'ass out of u, me & some guy named Ed'
I have a tiny amount of experience with swords, shields and armor. I was in the Society for Creative Anacronism at least two complete style changes ago. I have always been amused by people who have never worn armor stating that armor and shields were extremely cumbersome. You haven't seen agility until you have seen Lysandros di Spartica chase a squirrel with his bronze shortsword in a campus coffee shop. Lysander was impressive but the squirrel was a lot faster. He had a bronze curaiss, bronze greeves, bronze forearm guards, a bronze helmet and a red cape. ( not the squirrel) The only time I saw full plate in use Lord Brightangel was probinly more mobile than in his street clothes. The man inside the plate was a 60 ish college professor so not very fast normally. He didn't move any slower than he usually did. His opponent couldn't get in a solid enough blow to count and he couldn't land a blow at all. By mutual agreement they called it a draw when thay got too tired. I can verify that a helmet can make it hard to breath. I made my helmet Kabutoshi myself. By the way I didn't intend "fourth helmet" I wore the helmet of death, the wearers. Like many of us I started with a freon can. That is a reenforced streel cylinder with round ends. Just cut off one end. Cut air holes as desired, add a chin strap and stuff padding inside. They did prevent head injuries, mostly. Mine would tilt when hit on the top of the head making paddin added for the nose after putting it on. I explained the need for nose protection when I loaned it to a much better fighter than myself. He insisted that he followed my instructions but he got his nose broken. After strenuous arguing I got my helmet unbaned for my use only. It is unlikely that anyone would actually suffocate unless he refused to pause and breath, which people did even in duels or battles. Thats why formations rotatedvthe front line. Nevertheless a full face helmet was harder to breath in than out of.
Infantry and other soldiers today are trained in the use of air-sealed face masks (against chemical, biological, and nuclear agents - CBN) plus helmets for combat operations. Many also wear/carry tens of kilograms of armor, full CBN protective suit, and equipment and weaponry. In non-combat environments, annual recertification requires wearing all this kit for at least 8 hours, sometimes (though rarely) while engaged in strenuous field activities. I can sympathize with the plight of the gladiator fighting for their reputation or their life while encased in various bits of armor and an enclosed bronze helmet with limited air exchange and visibility. BTW, fully armored, mounted knights of medieval Europe could vault into the saddle from a running start.
I am curious where the false attribution to Tacticus started. (assuming the one that created the original video or script for the video received that from an outside source)
A modern man that could do the mounting pole vault thing would truly be a chad. And people say medieval Europeans had no skills, like whatev that is bs😂
Not exactly. Due to a phenomenon called "time dilation" you would seem to yourself faster than you are, and this effect would become more extreme the closer you approach the speed c of light with respect to a reference clock U. For example, at c minus 2cm⁄s, you'd cover roughly a light day per second of your proper time while also jetting forward in U coordinate time by a day every proper second.
You mean: Metatron=1 | Einstein= MC² At least, I assume that the "E" in that equation stood for "Einstein." I don't know, I went to public school...in Indiana...in the 90s...
I think the biggest trouble with language here is the use of comparative words vs absolute words. Things like the "helmet has poor vision" can be true compared to someone with no helmet but untrue compared to a different helmet. Or "needed to be strong to wear xyz armour" might be untrue because a weak person could easily wear it, but true in that a strong person would have a big advantage after 5 minutes of strenuous fighting. Even the way I used "absolute words" is kinda confusing because all descriptions are technically comparative, even if it's using the best possible human as a comparison. (I did a terrible job explaining that, but for example saying 'xyz had good vision' is implying 'good vision *for a human* , because they're obviously not meaning good vision compared to an eagle or something. )
Key thing to remember: gladiatorial fights were a spectacle. You had parades, parody fights done with dwarves... and yes nudity when it served the spectacle part.
42:10 I wouldn't be so sure, I remember seeing at least one or two accounts suggesting gladiatrix may have fought male dwarfs. The one I'm most familiar with was an advertising placard for a set of gladiator games, but even then, it's unclear.
17:12 min I'm pretty sure, that was meant as a joke. Especially with that dry delivery. Like those vacuum adds, that go into lengthy descriptions of what high tech they use in their products, causing people to make fun of it : Other vacuum brands: just suck Our vacuum: we use high end technologies developed by NASA, with each of them tested on the moon and containing a piece of the Apollo 13 spacecraft.
14:36 That Fact at the bottom sounds like it would make a good Dracula Flow line "I'm ride or die for the Murmillo. Caught the opps talking smack - I fed them to a pack of wild dogs."
"Their spear was a highly effective, sophisticated piece of equipment ..." said in the thickest possible sarcasm, and you didn't get it? And it was clearer in the next statement.
Sarcasm is often misunderstood, even within groups in a common community . It is even more difficult for non native speakers of a language, and he is italian (Sicily, I believe). (I missed it too, but I do admit to divided attention)
He clearly pushes that idea that gladiators were trying to kill one another. Considering that it wasn't the case, some of his observations make no sense (like stabbing through the eye holes), and I assume the weapons weren't sharp either, possibly even blunt (are there any sources on that?). Less maintenance costs and less risk to get your opponent's expensive slave (or occasional free man) killed. As a RPG player, I can't help but find this class system they had for real (if somewhat staged) combat extremely cool.
I feel that it's specifically _because_ they used weapons that we automatically assume that the objective was a duel to the death. At least, when compared to modern Boxing and MMA, which is unarmed and has rules (not that Gladiatorial matches _didn't_ them, of course). Thus, we seem to assume that Boxing or unarmed combat sports are "nonlethal," whereas adding a weapon instantly means that somebody *has* to die at the end. A logical fallacy, to be sure, but one that I feel is quite common. Because humans love making these sorts of categorical statements. You know?
Although the spear is an extremely ancient weapon, and its construction is relatively simple, the spear can be highly effective and versatile. You can slash or thrust, both ends can be used to attack.
I've recently designed a character that wears slightly heavier armor on the right arm and shoulder than on the left, but this is because the character in question carries a shield on the left side and thus it is still better protected. I'm curious if you know of any historical precedent at all for something like that?
You ever play Colosseum Road to Freedom on PS2? Should check it out if you haven't. I think you would really like it cause armor actually works like armor and blocks damage. It can be knocked off though. Vulnerable Limbs can be crippled. You have RPG stats and need to be strong to carry the best gear. Heavier gear reduces dodge and parry speed. The cheer of the crowd can send you into a frenzy were time slows and you have unlimited stamina.
I have to disagree with about the Secutor's helmet. Although different designs can alleviate the problem, atmospheric airflow may not be enough for sufficient respiration during strenuous activity. It may be enough for breathing at rest, but under stress the wearer will consume more air. Not just for oxygen-rich air to get into the helmet, but also to prevent a buildup of air that is less ideal for respiration. The buildup of moisture inside the helmet is also a concern if the wearer is prone to that sort of discomfort on top of his labored breathing.
I feel like Americans understand European Armor, like Europeans & Asians understand American Weapons & Cars. - I'm poking fun at Influencers, Journalists, and Hollywood Movie directors -
I've been to Europe several times and it seems the cars, pew pews, and land are where they get lost. I just can't describe the level of feeling of a long drive or shooting on your own property.
you're right, I'm surprised they didn't make a video game based on Spartacus when HBO/Cinemax etc (forgot which one) did the tv show. they could have had the play Open a gladiator school, train them etc.
Speaking of games where a bunch of men run at each other and smash heads, Age of Empires 2 is a historical RTS with a bunch of fun narrated bits portraying historical events.
I like to use the image of that classic golden hued bronze glinting in sunlight when describing how some early armies would have looked. People today hear "bronze" and immediately think of that modern flat, subdued bronze and it doesn't do any justice to how good bronze armor would have looked when maintained well.
I wished you do a video on gladiators not just the weak points of the armor but how they would win in the fights an talk about different gladiator classes against others, and also he showing in the video all being barefoot that would have been an immediate weakness, i thought some wore some type of boot or metal sandle of some type to protect there feet.
There's really nothing in the Theory of Relativity that says you can't go 2x the Speed of Light, but the Theory implies that you can't accelerate past Lightspeed.
I will say, Helmet Horror is a thing, due to poor ventilation in some helms unless you breathe slow, complete breaths to purge the C02 you will build up a mild oxygen debt and become more prone to panic. The more sealed with a larger internal volume the worse it is, since complete breaths are less able to purge CO2.
6:10 I made some shields from different periods (ancient Greek, Viking) following both period depictions and the videos of Roland Warzecha as a guide for historical accuracy on paint, and ended up painting both the bronze rim on the Greek, and rawhide rim on the viking shield the same way as the rest of the shield. Maybe that's what they went for here although I'm no expert on Roman arms and armor and if this was done
I dont know if this is what he was going for but it seems like he was using modern combat sports to stat them, if you are bigger and stronger your going to be slower, like how in mma or boxing the heavy weights are a lot slower than a feather weight generally even though both are fast comparing them to us, I can not speak about the weapon end of it but it does sound like he uses the old school D&D idea of weapons and armor.
I never knew armor was assymetrical, but your explanation makes sense. That would have to be devastating on stamina though. I notice small differences when i run and carry a phone in 1 hand 😂
17:32 The spear predates the human species. It's not only prehistorical, it's pre-homo sapiens. Homo Erectus was the first species that we know used wooden spears. By 500 000 years ago there were spears with stone spearheads. The spears have existed almost twice as long as our species.
Re: the cardiophylax wouldn't you also expect a greater percentage of attacks to the top of your body if you are using a large shield? Of course you protect the bit that 1) you arent already protecting 2) can kill you if hit. I remember reading that thats why you see the prominent shoulders on roman armor and but again I don't know enough about the period to say whether thats apocryphal or realistic.
I have a question about the gladiator weaponry; was it sharpened or at least partially blunt? 20:15 counterpedantism, he's clearly not a specialist of rome so it's safe to assume he's a weaponry hobbist, so it's quite slight compared to other skimitar type weapons from other eras and areas, some went 90⁰ or more
You know what? Now that we're beefing with physics I'm going to watch Vsauce's 'Travel INSIDE a Black Hole' video in reverse. We're making it out of the Black Hole with that one.
I always say armor doesnt encumber you that much. The heat that gets trapped in your helmet and chest armor as you fight out in the sun saps your stamina and brain power way more than the weight.
I think the Provocators cardiophylax needs to be put into context of who the opponents of Rome are. One of the main rivals of Rome were the city states of Greece. Hellenic soldiers mainly utilized hoplite formations, you have a large shield (in classic hoplite fashion, not the macedonian style) to protect yourself with and a long spear to have reach advantage. The maximum reach of a spear thrust is at shoulder height as any lower than that, you get reach reduction due to angling or bending the elbow, which naturally means the maximum reach is at neck/upper thoracic region. Of course if you could afford more protection, you would also have abdominal protection, but against spear enemies doesn't it just make sense to protect the most likely areas they'll hit once the head is covered? Got to remember that Roman style fighting was sort of an anomaly in the grand scope of things, most civilizations used spears as the main battlefield weapon for infantry with swords/daggers as sidearms. There's also the argument that some historians point out that underhand gripping the spear might be way more prevalent than we usually imagine, and if that's the case the abdominal region would be a highly awkward area to stab towards. Also against projectiles, it's a no brainer that protection for the upper thoracic area is way more useful than protection at the abdominal area.
Interesting that they state that the Scutum was rectangular when the text displayed at the time notes that during the Republic it was oval. I have a faint memory of reading that late Empire shields also being oval but not at all sure about that.
Metatron, quick question/suggestion: could you do a videos explaining how gladiators started and ended? I head about a certain Telemacus who jumped to the arena and eventually led to end the combat to death between gladiators? Thanks so much
The equipment that today soldiers use are heavier then a full plated armor, not to mention that armor has most of the weight distributed all over the body while now days most of the weight is centered around the chest and waist.
I think he might have been making a joke at 17:25 or so when he said the spear was “a sophisticated weapon, but he slipped it in without highlighting it. Or maybe I give him too much credit!
@Metatron I'm not sure if you have done a video on the Orichalcum ignots found off the coast of Sicily in 2015, but I think it may be an interesting research. I have seen videos and articles and even a History Channel episode suggesting links to Atlantis, Aliens and all sorts of metaphysical things. T'abbrazzu fratuzzu caru!
The secutor helmets have a good vision, but with the limits the holes give. A well trained retiarius can take advantage of those limits, knowing which is the right distance to upset the vision of your rival.
Do you think that a part of misconception of the mortality of gladiatorial fights is because they are often “blended” with spectacles featuring convicts?
I also have a nitpick on the helmet Secutor, especially with the inside viewpoint. The camera only has one eye while a human has a pair of eyes, making the viewpoint really misleading.
I know this is very much out of the blue, but can we have a video of metatron reacting to people breaking spaghetti noodles and making the worst spaghetti recipes in the world? Like maybe as a one-time thing. It can even feature the history of spaghetti and, uh, pseudo spaghetti as it spreads throughout the world.
These people are everywhere ruining good pasta with parmiggiano/parmesan, even my gf. Good pasta= butter and lot of pepper. Parmiggiano ruins the taste of pasta.
I think the “strengths and weaknesses” were just an appeal to the video game aspect of “classes”
It feels like that part was handled by a different person. Especially since the narration doesn't really match up with the text boxes.
They are trying to “balance” the classes to make it “fair.” The Roman’s of course had no such concept, I’m not sure if they even had weight classes.
Edit: debunked by metatron, they did balance so longer match.
My thoughts is exactly that. Wouldn't hold their feet to the fire for that
They're obviously all _relative._ Is an armored warrior "slow"? NFL pads are much lighter than armor, and some players are literally twice Metatron's size and strength, yet none would deny they are *slowER* in the pads than without.
Yeah. In a game, balancing is important because you want people to choose different styles while still having a roughly equal chance of winning overall. Real life doesnt work that way.
I watched that part of your video at 4x speed, my laptop exploded.
cap
How many times do you think we need to inception-ize the speed to see what entering hyperspace looks like?
How are you typing this comment? Are you one of those fancy pants elites with 2 devices?😂
@@shanecrump7932 He probably typed this first hoping his laptop doesn't explode. But the lack of replies might be sign
Laptop went back in time
17:14 i don't know how you missed sarcasm in phrase "spear was sofisticated piece of equipment, a bit of wood with some sharp metal on the end" 🤣
I assume he decided to pause right when he heard the word 'sophisticated' and thus didn't register the rest of the sentence.
Yeah, metatron has a hard time processing things like sarcasm, metaphor etc.
Sarcasm is often difficult for non-native English speakers to identify.
@@jasondolph2785 he is a linguist and speaks multple languages, and definetly knows english better than me. I think the first guy who answered me was right, though it was really obvious still
@@черепахаестклубничкуIt makes sense that he would be bad at sarcasm, given how pedantic his is. I think those two qualities are mutually exclusive.
Now the world will remember this as the day metratron found a way to violate the laws of physics and invented the metatron drive
There was a game called, Spartacus Legends to PS3, based in the serie, it was amazing, you can used and personalize your own gladiators. I miss that game, was amazing.
I miss it too. I played on Xbox 360 though, and I read the PS3 version had more content.
Yeah, when i first watched that i was caught off guard by his sudden shift towards dramatic hype-man esque commentary. Pretty entertaining but not what i initially hoped for lol
Delivered immediately after a video about 'why women weren't good warriors.' Is this purely an educational tack, or is it a form of promotion? Some things never change 😅☀️
Didn't know Gladiatrix went topless... No surprised just didn't know.
As we keep taking things from the past, makes me have more hope for the UFC.
I wonder how much this specific aspect was responsible for controversy around Gladiatrix.
no wonder they had such a high fatality rate.
I want to see gladiatrix reenacment right now.
The weren't nescessarily topless.However Mevia, one of the most famous gladiatrices, who excelled in fighting beasts, was particularly known for fighting topless :)
As a Soldier, I can tell you wearing anything that covers your face sucks ass when you're doing anything athletic. It does feel like youre being slowly smothered and it gets very hot because of your breathing. It can be overcomed by training in the gear but initially it sucks.
As a fursuit owner can confirm
thats why many gladiators had grids or bars covering the mouth instead of full plate. also most fights didn't last for more than 10 to 15 minutes whereas real soldiers of the time period often had to fight for several hours in even heavier gear and armor.
What kind of face armour you wear as a modern soldoer that is comparable to gladiators helmet?
@Tomichika Promask homie gotta protect myself from the DPRKs gasses. Oh and Promask is short for protective mask it's essentially a gasmask. Soldiers have to train in it sometimes depending on their units mission. In Korea everyone pretty much does training in MOP gear because of the threat of CBRN in the AO
@@sagray75 well yeah, but thats not technically an armour, is it? 😅 Even though I dont know. It protects you, so it kinda is. Its more of a linguistic question. Ive spent many hour in one of these masks with filters on so I know even existing in it is awfully draining. Respect to anyone who does some drills with it on.
The main points modern people got wrong/don't understand: they were the WWE wrestler of the time.
Go tell that to all the gladiators buried with fatal injuries. And there are many found everywhere through the former roman empire.
@swissmilitischristilxxii3691
No one said there weren't any serious injury or death. But the primary goal of the game (yes, it was a game) was live entertainment, and most them were not killed or seriously injured. It was stupid to waste expensive and time consuming human resources.
Nope. Those were 10x more violent than MMA fights. WWE is theatre for numb teens.
I would not call it wwe lmao. For me its armed MMA. Violent but not a death match like people thought
@@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 I'm not disagreeing with your point at all but pro wrestling is not exactly 'safe' either especially if you take into consideration how many lives were claimed from indirect causes (performance boosters, pain meds, underlying health conditions, etc) and the many people who have been seriously or even fatally injured due to botched moves and/or repeated blows to the head. WWE today is nowhere near not as bad as it was in the 20th century but it's still not without risk. WIth all that out of the way, the life of a gladiator was many levels of magnitude more dangerous than being a wrestler/MMA fighter in modern times, even at it's most extreme modern iteration pre-21st century it still pale in comparison to the brutality of ancient MMA/wrestling (pankration) which was still safer than being a gladiator. Hopefully that puts things into perspective for people who thinks that gladiatorial games were something akin to the type of silly performance act you'd see in a classical theater.
One thing that frustrates me, TH-cam will allow a guy doing hair removal on his butt, then ban a channel for boobs even if it's for historical accuracy.
Metatron is such a rebel, he even breaks the laws of physics. And thought I was a criminal 😊
Weirdo
No, he didn't.
Imagine just being 2cm⁄s slower than the speed c of light with respect to a reference clock U.
In a second according to _your own_ clock, what distance would you cover? A light second? No, about a light day, i.e. over 86000 times that.
Meanwhile you inevitably procede by roughly a day of U coordinate time any second of your proper time.
Referencing this Vidoe for my next Historically accurate Elden Ring PvP Builds!! Thanks Metatron !!
The Crupellarius does make me wonder if there were examples of western Roman military gear still around by the beginning of the medieval period they could have used as direct inspiration for later armors.
Great q
26:31 the net also had lead weights on it, if you hit someone with that it’s like being hit with a sock full of marbles!
@ 18:20 I've usually assumed they don't just mean "you could" but that it was a common tactic to use the edge of the buckler to attack.
But then again, like the saying says: when you "assumed" you can make an 'ass out of u, me & some guy named Ed'
I hadn't heard that Ed was included 😅 Cute
Metatron broke light speed he can't keep getting away with this
He went straight to Ludicrous Speed! 😂
I subbed again. I don't know why youtube can be so finicky. Your videos are awesome. ❤️ 🗡
I have a tiny amount of experience with swords, shields and armor. I was in the Society for Creative Anacronism at least two complete style changes ago.
I have always been amused by people who have never worn armor stating that armor and shields were extremely cumbersome.
You haven't seen agility until you have seen Lysandros di Spartica chase a squirrel with his bronze shortsword in a campus coffee shop. Lysander was impressive but the squirrel was a lot faster.
He had a bronze curaiss, bronze greeves, bronze forearm guards, a bronze helmet and a red cape. ( not the squirrel)
The only time I saw full plate in use Lord Brightangel was probinly more mobile than in his street clothes. The man inside the plate was a 60 ish college professor so not very fast normally. He didn't move any slower than he usually did. His opponent couldn't get in a solid enough blow to count and he couldn't land a blow at all. By mutual agreement they called it a draw when thay got too tired.
I can verify that a helmet can make it hard to breath. I made my helmet Kabutoshi myself. By the way I didn't intend "fourth helmet" I wore the helmet of death, the wearers.
Like many of us I started with a freon can. That is a reenforced streel cylinder with round ends. Just cut off one end. Cut air holes as desired, add a chin strap and stuff padding inside. They did prevent head injuries, mostly.
Mine would tilt when hit on the top of the head making paddin added for the nose after putting it on. I explained the need for nose protection when I loaned it to a much better fighter than myself. He insisted that he followed my instructions but he got his nose broken. After strenuous arguing I got my helmet unbaned for my use only.
It is unlikely that anyone would actually suffocate unless he refused to pause and breath, which people did even in duels or battles. Thats why formations rotatedvthe front line. Nevertheless a full face helmet was harder to breath in than out of.
Infantry and other soldiers today are trained in the use of air-sealed face masks (against chemical, biological, and nuclear agents - CBN) plus helmets for combat operations. Many also wear/carry tens of kilograms of armor, full CBN protective suit, and equipment and weaponry. In non-combat environments, annual recertification requires wearing all this kit for at least 8 hours, sometimes (though rarely) while engaged in strenuous field activities. I can sympathize with the plight of the gladiator fighting for their reputation or their life while encased in various bits of armor and an enclosed bronze helmet with limited air exchange and visibility.
BTW, fully armored, mounted knights of medieval Europe could vault into the saddle from a running start.
I am curious where the false attribution to Tacticus started.
(assuming the one that created the original video or script for the video received that from an outside source)
A modern man that could do the mounting pole vault thing would truly be a chad. And people say medieval Europeans had no skills, like whatev that is bs😂
hahaha! a retiarius 'finishing off' an opponent'?
lanista : "are you mad?!? that mirmidon cost me 3000 sesterti!"
That intro was hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
1:01 what have you done? I've missed a day of work!!
Metatron 1 | Einstein 0
Groundbreaking.
@@ludomirsteinbruck9376and speed/light
Not exactly. Due to a phenomenon called "time dilation" you would seem to yourself faster than you are, and this effect would become more extreme the closer you approach the speed c of light with respect to a reference clock U.
For example, at c minus 2cm⁄s, you'd cover roughly a light day per second of your proper time while also jetting forward in U coordinate time by a day every proper second.
I’m also at 2x, so I actually experienced 4c.
Does that mean I win 2:1:0?
You mean:
Metatron=1 | Einstein= MC²
At least, I assume that the "E" in that equation stood for "Einstein." I don't know, I went to public school...in Indiana...in the 90s...
17:25 he was joking Raff...
I think the biggest trouble with language here is the use of comparative words vs absolute words.
Things like the "helmet has poor vision" can be true compared to someone with no helmet but untrue compared to a different helmet.
Or "needed to be strong to wear xyz armour" might be untrue because a weak person could easily wear it, but true in that a strong person would have a big advantage after 5 minutes of strenuous fighting.
Even the way I used "absolute words" is kinda confusing because all descriptions are technically comparative, even if it's using the best possible human as a comparison.
(I did a terrible job explaining that, but for example saying 'xyz had good vision' is implying 'good vision *for a human* , because they're obviously not meaning good vision compared to an eagle or something. )
2:12 you mean to tell me they used to send female gladiators to fight with B00B$ just flapping around?
If the men's bulbous, rotund, and girthy pectorals aren't given protection neither should the women's
Most that fought probably had smaller tits though
Yeah, not everyone got flappy t!ts 😂
Key thing to remember: gladiatorial fights were a spectacle. You had parades, parody fights done with dwarves... and yes nudity when it served the spectacle part.
@galadballcrusher8182 niceeee
0:43 This is either madness or brilliance
"You would be surprised by how much those two coincide"
42:10 I wouldn't be so sure, I remember seeing at least one or two accounts suggesting gladiatrix may have fought male dwarfs. The one I'm most familiar with was an advertising placard for a set of gladiator games, but even then, it's unclear.
I saw this video a while back. Nice to see you react.
Ftl confirmed. Now we need to call it the "Metatron Drive or Engine"
17:12 min
I'm pretty sure, that was meant as a joke. Especially with that dry delivery.
Like those vacuum adds, that go into lengthy descriptions of what high tech they use in their products, causing people to make fun of it :
Other vacuum brands: just suck
Our vacuum: we use high end technologies developed by NASA, with each of them tested on the moon and containing a piece of the Apollo 13 spacecraft.
14:36
That Fact at the bottom sounds like it would make a good Dracula Flow line
"I'm ride or die for the Murmillo. Caught the opps talking smack - I fed them to a pack of wild dogs."
Metatron: 1
Einstein: 0
That was badass lol
Really good video
"Their spear was a highly effective, sophisticated piece of equipment ..." said in the thickest possible sarcasm, and you didn't get it? And it was clearer in the next statement.
Sarcasm is often misunderstood, even within groups in a common community .
It is even more difficult for non native speakers of a language, and he is italian (Sicily, I believe).
(I missed it too, but I do admit to divided attention)
I dont know if you have heard of the game "we who are about to die" but its essentially a gladiator fighting game. Can really recommend it.
He clearly pushes that idea that gladiators were trying to kill one another. Considering that it wasn't the case, some of his observations make no sense (like stabbing through the eye holes), and I assume the weapons weren't sharp either, possibly even blunt (are there any sources on that?). Less maintenance costs and less risk to get your opponent's expensive slave (or occasional free man) killed.
As a RPG player, I can't help but find this class system they had for real (if somewhat staged) combat extremely cool.
I feel that it's specifically _because_ they used weapons that we automatically assume that the objective was a duel to the death. At least, when compared to modern Boxing and MMA, which is unarmed and has rules (not that Gladiatorial matches _didn't_ them, of course).
Thus, we seem to assume that Boxing or unarmed combat sports are "nonlethal," whereas adding a weapon instantly means that somebody *has* to die at the end. A logical fallacy, to be sure, but one that I feel is quite common. Because humans love making these sorts of categorical statements. You know?
Gladiators did kill each others
@@leonardoferrari4852 Yes, but it was generally not the purpose, nor the outcome.
@AnotherDuck No, it was the purpose, just read what Seneca wrote about it
@@leonardoferrari4852 There are statistics of the death rate of gladiators. If it was the purpose, it wasn't working very well.
12:34. Did he say seltic It’s Celtic with a k. Surely.
I think you have to use a "hard to breathe" helmet to really understand how easy it is to breathe in
Although the spear is an extremely ancient weapon, and its construction is relatively simple, the spear can be highly effective and versatile. You can slash or thrust, both ends can be used to attack.
11:35 Its like a video game armor description :D
Great video metatron
Me clicking on this expecting a video of Metatron talking about what Gladiator school and classes would've been like. 😅
Future video idea, maybe? 🤔
I've recently designed a character that wears slightly heavier armor on the right arm and shoulder than on the left, but this is because the character in question carries a shield on the left side and thus it is still better protected. I'm curious if you know of any historical precedent at all for something like that?
That was one epic intro! Can't stop laughing.
You ever play Colosseum Road to Freedom on PS2? Should check it out if you haven't. I think you would really like it cause armor actually works like armor and blocks damage. It can be knocked off though. Vulnerable Limbs can be crippled. You have RPG stats and need to be strong to carry the best gear. Heavier gear reduces dodge and parry speed. The cheer of the crowd can send you into a frenzy were time slows and you have unlimited stamina.
I'm guessing Metatron is only getting away with this by naming himself after an angel lol
The start of the video is just gold 🤣
Casually breaking the laws of physics just for an intro. No wonders you are my favorite youtuber
This man despises leather bracers
Probably since they were made with leather stolen from the armorers by someone running a street hustle
I have to disagree with about the Secutor's helmet. Although different designs can alleviate the problem, atmospheric airflow may not be enough for sufficient respiration during strenuous activity. It may be enough for breathing at rest, but under stress the wearer will consume more air. Not just for oxygen-rich air to get into the helmet, but also to prevent a buildup of air that is less ideal for respiration. The buildup of moisture inside the helmet is also a concern if the wearer is prone to that sort of discomfort on top of his labored breathing.
I feel like Americans understand European Armor, like Europeans & Asians understand American Weapons & Cars.
- I'm poking fun at Influencers, Journalists, and Hollywood Movie directors -
I've been to Europe several times and it seems the cars, pew pews, and land are where they get lost. I just can't describe the level of feeling of a long drive or shooting on your own property.
you're right, I'm surprised they didn't make a video game based on Spartacus when HBO/Cinemax etc (forgot which one) did the tv show. they could have had the play Open a gladiator school, train them etc.
there apparently was one, it's mentioned by someone else in this comment section.
It was good to see the classes, that much I really appreciated. Most of what I've seen is nonsense in movies that were barely accurate depictions.
Speaking of games where a bunch of men run at each other and smash heads, Age of Empires 2 is a historical RTS with a bunch of fun narrated bits portraying historical events.
Big lol at the description of wearing one of those helmets. Sounds like it was written by someone that has never stepped outside.
Cant wait to see this video, very interesting topic!
seems like terms were fairly flexible being used in different ways over time and place, such as crupellarius referring to trainees and a style of kit.
I like to use the image of that classic golden hued bronze glinting in sunlight when describing how some early armies would have looked.
People today hear "bronze" and immediately think of that modern flat, subdued bronze and it doesn't do any justice to how good bronze armor would have looked when maintained well.
I wished you do a video on gladiators not just the weak points of the armor but how they would win in the fights an talk about different gladiator classes against others, and also he showing in the video all being barefoot that would have been an immediate weakness, i thought some wore some type of boot or metal sandle of some type to protect there feet.
I did see a more recent Gladiator game that looked really good called We Who are About to Die. Definitely worth checking out 🤘
Best intro. Period.
There's really nothing in the Theory of Relativity that says you can't go 2x the Speed of Light, but the Theory implies that you can't accelerate past Lightspeed.
Doubling the speed of light is pretty good, but it’s a far cry from Ludicrous Speed.
They went plaid!
It's really interesting what this guy found to be back breakingly heavy and not.
I will say, Helmet Horror is a thing, due to poor ventilation in some helms unless you breathe slow, complete breaths to purge the C02 you will build up a mild oxygen debt and become more prone to panic. The more sealed with a larger internal volume the worse it is, since complete breaths are less able to purge CO2.
the game you want exists
its called Those who are about to die
6:10 I made some shields from different periods (ancient Greek, Viking) following both period depictions and the videos of Roland Warzecha as a guide for historical accuracy on paint, and ended up painting both the bronze rim on the Greek, and rawhide rim on the viking shield the same way as the rest of the shield.
Maybe that's what they went for here although I'm no expert on Roman arms and armor and if this was done
Yeah I should have watched the whole thing before commenting
"For historical accuracy..."
Of course
This feels like watching you go through a video game roster like Soul Calibur or something and seeing you critique their kits
I watched that video when it was released and thought of you.
Make a short of the speed of light bit please. I have to share it.
I dont know if this is what he was going for but it seems like he was using modern combat sports to stat them, if you are bigger and stronger your going to be slower, like how in mma or boxing the heavy weights are a lot slower than a feather weight generally even though both are fast comparing them to us, I can not speak about the weapon end of it but it does sound like he uses the old school D&D idea of weapons and armor.
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that Metatron didn't point out the models are holding the sicca the wrong way!
I never knew armor was assymetrical, but your explanation makes sense.
That would have to be devastating on stamina though.
I notice small differences when i run and carry a phone in 1 hand 😂
41:59
But who doesn't LOVE a good cripple fight???
17:32 The spear predates the human species. It's not only prehistorical, it's pre-homo sapiens. Homo Erectus was the first species that we know used wooden spears. By 500 000 years ago there were spears with stone spearheads. The spears have existed almost twice as long as our species.
Re: the cardiophylax wouldn't you also expect a greater percentage of attacks to the top of your body if you are using a large shield? Of course you protect the bit that 1) you arent already protecting 2) can kill you if hit.
I remember reading that thats why you see the prominent shoulders on roman armor and but again I don't know enough about the period to say whether thats apocryphal or realistic.
I have a question about the gladiator weaponry; was it sharpened or at least partially blunt?
20:15 counterpedantism, he's clearly not a specialist of rome so it's safe to assume he's a weaponry hobbist, so it's quite slight compared to other skimitar type weapons from other eras and areas, some went 90⁰ or more
They were sharp weapons.
In a letter Seneca described it as "plain butchery"
You should definitely react to Jeff Chan's Gladiator Sparring video.
You know what? Now that we're beefing with physics I'm going to watch Vsauce's 'Travel INSIDE a Black Hole' video in reverse.
We're making it out of the Black Hole with that one.
Next up after that is colliding with antimatter, right?
You naturally put your left side in front in a fight to protect your liver.
I always say armor doesnt encumber you that much. The heat that gets trapped in your helmet and chest armor as you fight out in the sun saps your stamina and brain power way more than the weight.
Outstanding intro xD
I think the Provocators cardiophylax needs to be put into context of who the opponents of Rome are. One of the main rivals of Rome were the city states of Greece. Hellenic soldiers mainly utilized hoplite formations, you have a large shield (in classic hoplite fashion, not the macedonian style) to protect yourself with and a long spear to have reach advantage. The maximum reach of a spear thrust is at shoulder height as any lower than that, you get reach reduction due to angling or bending the elbow, which naturally means the maximum reach is at neck/upper thoracic region. Of course if you could afford more protection, you would also have abdominal protection, but against spear enemies doesn't it just make sense to protect the most likely areas they'll hit once the head is covered? Got to remember that Roman style fighting was sort of an anomaly in the grand scope of things, most civilizations used spears as the main battlefield weapon for infantry with swords/daggers as sidearms. There's also the argument that some historians point out that underhand gripping the spear might be way more prevalent than we usually imagine, and if that's the case the abdominal region would be a highly awkward area to stab towards. Also against projectiles, it's a no brainer that protection for the upper thoracic area is way more useful than protection at the abdominal area.
Interesting that they state that the Scutum was rectangular when the text displayed at the time notes that during the Republic it was oval. I have a faint memory of reading that late Empire shields also being oval but not at all sure about that.
37:00 Who TF is Tacticus? Does he mean Tacitus? lol
Metatron, quick question/suggestion: could you do a videos explaining how gladiators started and ended? I head about a certain Telemacus who jumped to the arena and eventually led to end the combat to death between gladiators? Thanks so much
The equipment that today soldiers use are heavier then a full plated armor, not to mention that armor has most of the weight distributed all over the body while now days most of the weight is centered around the chest and waist.
I far as I know, metal rims were not all that common up until the Dacian wars, but that might be just a mith.
The scutum always had at least a metal top and bottom rim.
Here's the usual full support.
remember a browser game gladiators online I played as a kid, types were kinda similar, tho there was also a spear-throwing one
Metratron would you ever make a "where to buy historically accurate armour" video ?
I think he might have been making a joke at 17:25 or so when he said the spear was “a sophisticated weapon, but he slipped it in without highlighting it. Or maybe I give him too much credit!
@Metatron I'm not sure if you have done a video on the Orichalcum ignots found off the coast of Sicily in 2015, but I think it may be an interesting research. I have seen videos and articles and even a History Channel episode suggesting links to Atlantis, Aliens and all sorts of metaphysical things. T'abbrazzu fratuzzu caru!
The secutor helmets have a good vision, but with the limits the holes give. A well trained retiarius can take advantage of those limits, knowing which is the right distance to upset the vision of your rival.
Most critical was fresh air reserve
yes. when you watch mma, you are quenching yor bloodlust
blod loust is a human trait
Do you think that a part of misconception of the mortality of gladiatorial fights is because they are often “blended” with spectacles featuring convicts?
I also have a nitpick on the helmet Secutor, especially with the inside viewpoint. The camera only has one eye while a human has a pair of eyes, making the viewpoint really misleading.
Holy Mllly, I watch you at double speed then you did double speed. I think I went back in time a little bit.
I know this is very much out of the blue, but can we have a video of metatron reacting to people breaking spaghetti noodles and making the worst spaghetti recipes in the world? Like maybe as a one-time thing. It can even feature the history of spaghetti and, uh, pseudo spaghetti as it spreads throughout the world.
These people are everywhere ruining good pasta with parmiggiano/parmesan, even my gf.
Good pasta= butter and lot of pepper. Parmiggiano ruins the taste of pasta.
Noodles?
@infin8ee Well, there generally isn't a need to call them noodles but since the plan is to break them anyway...