Can't wait until mine get's delivered! Congrats Fluance on the great design and partner in Ortofon. This will be my first Blue! I have always loved the Red
There has been a change for 2019, seems they now only offer the vinyl platter on the RT85 and the RT84 now comes with the 2MBlue instead of the Red. So only the most expensive model has the acrylic platter. I suspect the availability of the acrylic platter was the problem. Also, the cartridge makes more of a sonic difference than the turntable platter, so upgrading that first makes more sense.
Really hope the RT82-85 become available in the U.K. soon. Any chance of this Fluance? Please or international shipping. I’m ready to hit the buy button. Also have you considered offering a white model in the future?
Had the 82 for a while and ended up selling it because of the hum that was caused by the built in pre-amp. Even turned off and properly grounded, I still got a very audible hum. This would seem to correct that issue. I loved the look of the 82, but hated the built in pre-amp. I'm glad they've done this. I just ordered the RT85. I look forward to giving it a try.
Would love to hear if the hum is gone, as well. Returned my 81 and ordered the 85 since I was within the return window. My 81 had a hum paired with my Mani and good rca’s no matter what I tried.
Wondering where the "eye" (speed detection) occurs. If on/at the motor, I'd be concerned that belt slippage (even ever so slight) could still be a factor in maintaining consistent platter speed. If under, or in some way associated with the platter, then I'd be all for it. Having said that though, I hate belt driven things in any application. 😃
Belt slippage is rather rare. It is easy to change the belt if it should ever be an issue. The best turntables are usually belt driven to separate the motor from the platter. Fewer vibrations make it to the platter.
That table looks amazing. I'm a table builder myself and would have loved to do my own review on the table from a builder point of view. Maybe I'll be considered when I'm alittle bigger of a channel. Great looking table from what I can see from the video though.
Hi FishingIndiana! Our Classic, Elite and Reference turntables are compatible with weights ranging from 323 to 418 grams or 11.4 Ounces to 14.75 ounces!
Excellent information, thank you for the video. I love the look and what I have seen of the Fluance RT85 and will be purchasing one in the next few weeks when I return home to Canada. Also, I love the flag on the products, Maple Leaf Forever guys! On a side note, I would reshoot this video with the cameraman being a step or two back from the subjects so their hands are in frame while they speak. Also, because the man in the darker shirt is shorter he should stand on a short box to bring the head levels more closely in balance. Also, he should raise his hands up to his sternum and away from his crotch while speaking so as not to give the wrong idea about what is going on. LoL Other than that thank you for this video!
Fluance, Is the tonearm height the same between the RT81 and the Reference series turntables or do they use different headshells? Your documentation states the Ortofon 2M cartridges require a different counterweight, and VTA may vary when upgrading. It appears that an Ortofon headshell may solve both the weight and Vertical Tracking Angle issues. Would be nice to be able to swap Audio Technica and Ortofon headshell combinations.
From what I know, and have read, the OM 10 is basically the same as the 2M Red. The only difference is the shape. The M series is just the newer version of the old..... Having said that, you get to choose what shape you like...and I prefer the ant eater slender OM series to the bulkier plough of the M series. Nice turntables tho....can we get them in the UK soon? Was thinking of the RT 80 (prefer the piano black over the Mahogany RT 81) but only available thru Amazon.UK...and a lot more expensive. The entry level AT carts would be replaced with a OM 10. So....the RT 82 would be my first choice.
Would be nice to throw a bone to present owners. Are the new shell/cartridges compatible with the previous models in regards to stylus angle and height?
Yeah... I agree, I have had my RT81 for 2 years and love it but it would be nice if Fluance would make an acrylic platter for the 80 and 81 and make the Ortofon cartridges on head shells available also.
@@fredwebb4664 The RT81 uses a standart headshell. Any cartridge with the standart 2 hole mounting can be fitted. However,there are other parameters who decides if its a good match. Like the height of the cartridge or the effective mass of the tonearm.
YES! I was thinking the same thing. It would be nice if they'd considered present owners and offer them something. I bought mine only a few months ago. Was looking to upgrade but now with these new models out there I just want to sell my RT81.
@@chavez515 Sorry,but thats just plain stupid. Not even a minute looking on YT will find you several videos about the RT81 and Ortofon 2M cartridges. They fit. At least if you use the Ortofon headshell,which is a bit higher than the headshell the Fluance comes with and compensates for the larger height of the Ortofon 2M`s in comparison to AT cartridges.
The website specs indicate that a rubber turntable mat is included with the RT-85. None of the YT videos I have seen show it. Does it come with a mat? Also if you use a mat, can you adjust the height of the tonearm for the mat?
Thank you for letting us know! The RT85 does not include a platter mat due to the use of the acrylic platter. Tonearm height is not adjustable on any of our current models.
You are correct Jason, with the most recent shipment of our Reference Series, we opted to upgrade the cartridge of the RT84 and include the metal platter instead of acrylic. We let anyone who was signed up for an RT84 know via email and have included more details on our support center at support.fluance.com.
@@FluanceSpeakers - Sounds good. The 82 is looking like a great way to get back into vinyl, and have a nice upgrade path available. Thanks for the response.
Great question Neil, Thanks for your interest! Our turntables do not currently support 78 RPM playback. The selector offers 33 and 45 options. An important factor to keep in mind is that 78 RPM records are typically made using shellac and can wear a standard stylus down much quicker than playing on vinyl. Most 78 compatible turntables use a specialized stylus.
What would also be nice is if you could build them fast enough. I have been trying to buy an RT-85 for a couple of months now and before I can get my order in after the email notification that they are back in stock, they’re sold out.
It refers to turntables with high signal to noise and low wow and flutter. Reference turntables tend construction from heavy and expensive metals. Their designs go to great extents to reduce any kind of noise by specially designed legs, tonearms, plinth, and platters.
Not sure what to make of this as your turntables are designed and manufactured in China. Yes there may be subtle differences has to finish and the acrylic platter but the OEM manufacturer supplies the same tables to other brands.
Hi Judy, At Fluance, we proudly design our products at our Canadian headquarters with our expert product development team with the production of Turntables occurring in Taiwan. There are many turntables available on the market today, all with their own unique style and sound profiles giving customers a variety of choices. While there may be some components that are common across multiple turntables, our Turntables are designed in-house at Fluance. We cannot speak to the design or production process of other brands but our development team is always working to utilize the latest technology and high-performance components to craft a turntable design we know our customers will love and will allow them to enjoy their records for years to come. We are so confident in the quality and performance of our products that we offer a 30-day risk-free trial for anyone who wants to experience Fluance and a 2-year warranty after purchase so you can feel confident in trying our Turntables. If you have any further questions, our team of Customer Experience experts would love the opportunity to assist you.
Same exact Hanpin tonearm found on most sub $300 tables, ie, TEAC, Sony, Denon, U Turn, AT, Project etc... Nothing new (or that great) here. Cartridge isn't enough without a good tonearm, bearing, anti resonance, etc.
Back in the day, we used to call turntables 'turntables'.....now everyone is calling them 'reference turntables'....what does 'reference' mean in this context? what exactly is being referenced?
Is that thing called warm / sweet n' / soft sound the real thing ?? I've been in studios many -many times as a listener and also as a drummer and i've never heard live music reminds me vinyl what comes closer { NOT EXCACTLLY } to the real sound is the master 30'studio tapes which sounds like CDs and CDs too This fairy tale comes from the distortions and all the problems viny records have i'm not saying this thing is bad no of course not but this is not the real sound boys
Is there a problem playing 45rpm singles? I ran across one review that showed video evidence of it: th-cam.com/video/AIaCqiprRSc/w-d-xo.html , Skip to 7:48 to see it. Thanks.
While I understand the argument for belt drives, I have used direct drive turntables since I started buying magnetic cartridge decks... usually Technics. My current deck is an SL1200 running the Blue and it’s wonderful. It has better “wow and flutter” numbers than most modern tables in it’s price range (better than the Fluance) and the best record playback system I’ve ever owned. I’m using a 200 plus WPC Parasound system paired with Polk Audio RTi A3’s and an Onkyo sub. I honestly can’t imagine how any upgrade would significantly improve the quality of the sound I get from this setup in the space I have it set up in. Though these components were accumulated over time, this isn’t a terribly expensive setup! I literally found everything on eBay and Amazon! Most people who visit me and hear records on this system are in disbelief that they are hearing a rock being drug along a plastic grove! You really don’t have to take out a mortgage on your home or go into debt for 10’s of thousands of dollars to get a truly incredible sounding record playback system! Though I obviously prefer direct drive, especially Technics vintage decks, I have no doubt that this Flunace deck is a solid choice which will also sound amazing!
I bought the 83 a few years ago….since I have upgraded it to an acrylic platter and Ortophon Bronze stylus… the sound is incredible.
I own the RT 85 and it is magnificent in both looks and sound!
Can't wait until mine get's delivered! Congrats Fluance on the great design and partner in Ortofon. This will be my first Blue! I have always loved the Red
Chris Rhodes which one did u order?
I’m using the Blue with a Technics SL 1200 and it sounds amazing! I’m sure it will sound wonderful with this turntable!
This is exactly the table I have been looking for. Pro-ject performance and looks with an auto shutoff and less finicky antiskate.
Define "warmer sound." Maybe provide some recordings that compare the acrylic to the standard platter.
Thanks for getting back to me mate
Good turntable
I like highs that "sizzle", mids that are warm, and lows that are tight with just a little "mushiness " ! That's what pleases my ears!
Nice share! Can the RT85 be outfitted with an Ortofon 2M black cartridge to max out the turntable's output capability? Thanks!
Will Fluance ship these to Europe? Haven't seen your products here except in the UK.
There has been a change for 2019, seems they now only offer the vinyl platter on the RT85 and the RT84 now comes with the 2MBlue instead of the Red. So only the most expensive model has the acrylic platter. I suspect the availability of the acrylic platter was the problem. Also, the cartridge makes more of a sonic difference than the turntable platter, so upgrading that first makes more sense.
If you want the acrylic platter, makes sense to just get the RT85 from a cost perspective.
Really hope the RT82-85 become available in the U.K. soon. Any chance of this Fluance? Please or international shipping.
I’m ready to hit the buy button. Also have you considered offering a white model in the future?
I'm a bit confused. On Amazon, the RT-84 is listed with an aluminum platter. Only the RT-85 has the acrylic platter. Have things changed at Fluance?
Had the 82 for a while and ended up selling it because of the hum that was caused by the built in pre-amp. Even turned off and properly grounded, I still got a very audible hum. This would seem to correct that issue. I loved the look of the 82, but hated the built in pre-amp. I'm glad they've done this. I just ordered the RT85. I look forward to giving it a try.
You get it yet? I am amazed at how quiet this thing is. I have it on pretty good rca's but damn! Nice work Fluance.
Would love to hear if the hum is gone, as well. Returned my 81 and ordered the 85 since I was within the return window. My 81 had a hum paired with my Mani and good rca’s no matter what I tried.
@@ChaosReigns69 No hum on my 85. It actually comes with high end gold plated cables. It sound great. Worth the price.
There is no built in preamp in the RT 82, nor in the 83, 84, and 85. Built in preamps are found only in the RT 80 and 81.
Wondering where the "eye" (speed detection) occurs. If on/at the motor, I'd be concerned that belt slippage (even ever so slight) could still be a factor in maintaining consistent platter speed. If under, or in some way associated with the platter, then I'd be all for it. Having said that though, I hate belt driven things in any application. 😃
Belt slippage is rather rare. It is easy to change the belt if it should ever be an issue. The best turntables are usually belt driven to separate the motor from the platter. Fewer vibrations make it to the platter.
no such issues, youre trying too hard
Really good TT’s.
Very interesting but kill the background music! Terrible selection and distracting.
I realize I am pretty randomly asking but does anyone know of a good website to watch newly released tv shows online?
@Kenzo Nikolai flixportal :D
@Jacoby Alfredo thanks, I went there and it seems to work :) I really appreciate it!!
@Kenzo Nikolai you are welcome :)
That table looks amazing. I'm a table builder myself and would have loved to do my own review on the table from a builder point of view. Maybe I'll be considered when I'm alittle bigger of a channel. Great looking table from what I can see from the video though.
Are there choices for acrylic color?
How well does the rt85 handle record weights/clamps
Hi FishingIndiana!
Our Classic, Elite and Reference turntables are compatible with weights ranging from 323 to 418 grams or 11.4 Ounces to 14.75 ounces!
Excellent information, thank you for the video. I love the look and what I have seen of the Fluance RT85 and will be purchasing one in the next few weeks when I return home to Canada. Also, I love the flag on the products, Maple Leaf Forever guys! On a side note, I would reshoot this video with the cameraman being a step or two back from the subjects so their hands are in frame while they speak. Also, because the man in the darker shirt is shorter he should stand on a short box to bring the head levels more closely in balance. Also, he should raise his hands up to his sternum and away from his crotch while speaking so as not to give the wrong idea about what is going on. LoL Other than that thank you for this video!
I will also be purchasing an RT85 when I return to Canada next month. I may also buy their preamp I heard they are selling in March.
Fluance, Is the tonearm height the same between the RT81 and the Reference series turntables or do they use different headshells? Your documentation states the Ortofon 2M cartridges require a different counterweight, and VTA may vary when upgrading. It appears that an Ortofon headshell may solve both the weight and Vertical Tracking Angle issues. Would be nice to be able to swap Audio Technica and Ortofon headshell combinations.
Thanks for your question!
The RT81 and Reference series do use different headshells.
I wish a 2M Bronze was the top cartridge, so that can lead to Black LVB.
When will they be back in stock?
How does acrylic have a 'warmer' sound?
From what I know, and have read, the OM 10 is basically the same as the 2M Red. The only difference is the shape.
The M series is just the newer version of the old.....
Having said that, you get to choose what shape you like...and I prefer the ant eater slender OM series to the bulkier plough of the M series.
Nice turntables tho....can we get them in the UK soon?
Was thinking of the RT 80 (prefer the piano black over the Mahogany RT 81) but only available thru Amazon.UK...and a lot more expensive.
The entry level AT carts would be replaced with a OM 10.
So....the RT 82 would be my first choice.
Is it possible to use a record weight with a belt drive turntable?
Would be nice to throw a bone to present owners. Are the new shell/cartridges compatible with the previous models in regards to stylus angle and height?
Yeah... I agree, I have had my RT81 for 2 years and love it but it would be nice if Fluance would make an acrylic platter for the 80 and 81 and make the Ortofon cartridges on head shells available also.
@@fredwebb4664 The RT81 uses a standart headshell. Any cartridge with the standart 2 hole mounting can be
fitted. However,there are other parameters who decides if its a good match. Like the height of the cartridge
or the effective mass of the tonearm.
YES! I was thinking the same thing. It would be nice if they'd considered present owners and offer them something. I bought mine only a few months ago. Was looking to upgrade but now with these new models out there I just want to sell my RT81.
@@chavez515 Sorry,but thats just plain stupid. Not even a minute looking on YT will find you several videos about the RT81
and Ortofon 2M cartridges. They fit. At least if you use the Ortofon headshell,which is a bit higher than the headshell the Fluance comes with and compensates for the larger height of the Ortofon 2M`s in comparison to AT cartridges.
Hey @@Zockopa sorry but STFU I did see those videos and they all tell you how it's not that easy. You even mentioned it in your own statement dumbass!
The website specs indicate that a rubber turntable mat is included with the RT-85. None of the YT videos I have seen show it. Does it come with a mat? Also if you use a mat, can you adjust the height of the tonearm for the mat?
Thank you for letting us know! The RT85 does not include a platter mat due to the use of the acrylic platter. Tonearm height is not adjustable on any of our current models.
Thanks, don’t forget to update the RT-84 as well. Cheers.
There are a few vids from 7 to 10 months ago saying acrylic was available with RT84, but that's not the case now. Must have changed pretty quickly...
You are correct Jason, with the most recent shipment of our Reference Series, we opted to upgrade the cartridge of the RT84 and include the metal platter instead of acrylic. We let anyone who was signed up for an RT84 know via email and have included more details on our support center at support.fluance.com.
@@FluanceSpeakers Thanks!
Do you sell acrylic platters separately if someone wants to upgrade an 82/83?
Hey! Great question, thanks for asking! We will have acrylic platters available with the next batch of Reference tables so you can upgrade!
@@FluanceSpeakers - Sounds good. The 82 is looking like a great way to get back into vinyl, and have a nice upgrade path available. Thanks for the response.
Does it play 78s.With a lot of new 78s being made,we need 3 speed turntables
Great question Neil, Thanks for your interest!
Our turntables do not currently support 78 RPM playback. The selector offers 33 and 45 options. An important factor to keep in mind is that 78 RPM records are typically made using shellac and can wear a standard stylus down much quicker than playing on vinyl. Most 78 compatible turntables use a specialized stylus.
Would be nice if fluance can ship internationally.
We agree! We do offer our Classic and Elite tables on Amazon UK at the moment.
Interesting!
What would also be nice is if you could build them fast enough. I have been trying to buy an RT-85 for a couple of months now and before I can get my order in after the email notification that they are back in stock, they’re sold out.
Totally agree I've been doing the same it's very frustrating
greg.I managed to get my order in for the RT-85 last week. It should be here Monday.
Oops I thought this would be about the Reference 610T by Quadraflex.
Stanley kubrick sighting
Beautiful turntables but availability is lacking.
Am I the only one who thinks that "reference" is a buzzword?
Eugene Zagidullin Also high end is thrown around like crazy too...
It refers to turntables with high signal to noise and low wow and flutter. Reference turntables tend construction from heavy and expensive metals. Their designs go to great extents to reduce any kind of noise by specially designed legs, tonearms, plinth, and platters.
Aaron Brown No. there’s no definition for a reference turntable. It’s just their best effort and most expensive tables.
**flashbacks to Jojo fans leaving nothing but the same three "references" in the comments of good music drowning out any other comments**
Not sure what to make of this as your turntables are designed and manufactured in China. Yes there may be subtle differences has to finish and the acrylic platter but the OEM manufacturer supplies the same tables to other brands.
Hi Judy,
At Fluance, we proudly design our products at our Canadian headquarters with our expert product development team with the production of Turntables occurring in Taiwan.
There are many turntables available on the market today, all with their own unique style and sound profiles giving customers a variety of choices. While there may be some components that are common across multiple turntables, our Turntables are designed in-house at Fluance.
We cannot speak to the design or production process of other brands but our development team is always working to utilize the latest technology and high-performance components to craft a turntable design we know our customers will love and will allow them to enjoy their records for years to come.
We are so confident in the quality and performance of our products that we offer a 30-day risk-free trial for anyone who wants to experience Fluance and a 2-year warranty after purchase so you can feel confident in trying our Turntables.
If you have any further questions, our team of Customer Experience experts would love the opportunity to assist you.
Same exact Hanpin tonearm found on most sub $300 tables, ie, TEAC, Sony, Denon, U Turn, AT, Project etc... Nothing new (or that great) here. Cartridge isn't enough without a good tonearm, bearing, anti resonance, etc.
Back in the day, we used to call turntables 'turntables'.....now everyone is calling them 'reference turntables'....what does 'reference' mean in this context? what exactly is being referenced?
Hi David, in this context Reference is just the series name, our products typically have a Classic/Elite/Reference/Signature series name.
“Warmer sound” 🤦♀️
MrRom92DAW dontcha Love buzzwords?
Been listening to vinyl forever and I still don't understand what that means. 🤷♂️
Is that thing called warm / sweet n' / soft sound the real thing ??
I've been in studios many -many times as a listener and also as a drummer and i've never heard live music reminds me vinyl
what comes closer { NOT EXCACTLLY } to the real sound is the master 30'studio tapes which sounds like CDs and CDs too
This fairy tale comes from the distortions and all the problems viny records have
i'm not saying this thing is bad no of course not but this is not the real sound boys
Is there a problem playing 45rpm singles? I ran across one review that showed video evidence of it: th-cam.com/video/AIaCqiprRSc/w-d-xo.html , Skip to 7:48 to see it. Thanks.
Fluance turntables are made in China.
They are made in Taiwan.
No Direct Drive. 👎👎👎👎
While I understand the argument for belt drives, I have used direct drive turntables since I started buying magnetic cartridge decks... usually Technics. My current deck is an SL1200 running the Blue and it’s wonderful. It has better “wow and flutter” numbers than most modern tables in it’s price range (better than the Fluance) and the best record playback system I’ve ever owned. I’m using a 200 plus WPC Parasound system paired with Polk Audio RTi A3’s and an Onkyo sub. I honestly can’t imagine how any upgrade would significantly improve the quality of the sound I get from this setup in the space I have it set up in. Though these components were accumulated over time, this isn’t a terribly expensive setup! I literally found everything on eBay and Amazon! Most people who visit me and hear records on this system are in disbelief that they are hearing a rock being drug along a plastic grove! You really don’t have to take out a mortgage on your home or go into debt for 10’s of thousands of dollars to get a truly incredible sounding record playback system! Though I obviously prefer direct drive, especially Technics vintage decks, I have no doubt that this Flunace deck is a solid choice which will also sound amazing!
@@richardmorgan1588 Technics are an engineering marvel. It's hard to create an inexpensive turntable that is direct drive and quiet at the same time.
Do the TH-cam community a favour and scrap that horrible garbage sound in the background.