It is actually VERY good. And there is sooo much replay value. Every mythic path changes ~30% of the game. I've done 7 play throughs. there's still 4 mythic paths and 200+ classes I haven't used. It's one of those games where every year and a half you play it again and find new stuff.
Yeah, I will definitely try at least one more playthrough in my private time. This time with a good alignment character. I feel like there is so much still to discover :D
its the best CRPG ever made, if it was fully voice acted and 3rd person camera shots like bg3, would've been fucking insane, on my first playthrough i had 200 hours on hard difficulty, i love bg3, but pathfinder wotr is legit beyond insane
This. Been actually saying this for a while now. It might legitimatelly be best game ever made. I don't really like pf2 as much as pf1, but I expect games will use pf2 now instead. So this game just might be locked as best game ever for me. It is unfotunate that most of my friends were unable to fully comprehend its greatness somehow.
In many ways, BG3 followed the Kickstarter model. The reason BG3 had such a large budget was the success (and money from) early access. Larian did not expect BG3 to explode like it did. They were hoping to exceed DOS2, but they broke that barrier by 100 times. Larian didn't enter with a large budget, and they didn't have the financial backing of a large studio.
Wonderful video, mate. Pathfinder WOTR is the second best CRPG i've played (BG3 comes first). I'm almost at 400 hours in the game and the feeling of power in it is beautifully done with the mythic paths, also, i agree with you about the OST in this game, I absolutely love it! It's one of the best things in this game. Listening to Aeon OST got me feeling cosmic (if that even makes sense); the Demon made me feel angry; the legend made me feel like a, well, LEGENDARY; Swarm made me feel like an absolute menace, etc. Even the ones i don't like as much (Azata, Golden Dragon) are beautifully done. Not to mention my favorite, the Mythic power OST, it plays the first time you get your powers and it is a REMARKABLE MOMENT and feeling.
What an amazingly well put review of one of my all-time favorite games! It's honestly hard to believe that this channel hasn't blown up yet, reviews like this deserve more of a platform than a lot of other big game reviews.
Ah a fellow Neutral Evil first timer, I find a lot of RPGs fall into the trap of just having no real content or at least way less of it for evil campaigns which is why I tend to be default good not so much because I have any real aversion to roleplaying a truly vile character but because evil options and campaigns are usually an afterthought unlike Wrath of The Righteous where there's tons of evil content.
@GodOfOrphans Yeah I think I just got lucky with the game choice. Although I did hear some opinions that even in wotr evil stuff is not really that robust. Most content was cut out for a good playthrough. Still was extremely fun tho.
@@Fluffy-c1v I think most of that comes from the nigh unanimous opinion that angel is the most developed mythic path so it kinda skews the curve for all the other paths, The late game mythic paths are the only ones I think are genuinely underdeveloped compared to the rest and that's only really because you get them so late in the game that you'll still have spent the majority of the playthrough as something else. The best CRPG for evil campaigns if you really wanna spread your new demonic wings is probably Tyranny. There's no real alignment system just personal and factional reputation but the amount of truly evil things you can do in that game is impressive and the game is built with evil as the expected default so it doesn't have the issues of a lot of other RPGs with evil having the least content of all the options.
@@The_Yukki Can confirm, My only playthrough was mostly evil and I wasn't Dark Urge. So I missed out on a lot of story content, but I got to romance and recruit Minthara, so it was worth it.
Hey! Just saw your review by complete chance, and I must say your format is awesome! Wrath of the Righteous is one of my favorite games, and I must say it raised the bar for CRPGs for me more than Baldur's Gate 3. I'm glad you enjoyed playing it, and watching your review was a blast, since we come from kinda opposite places: I grew up as a D&D nerd and played the pen-and-paper version of Pathfinder quite a lot, so I thought that would save me some time choosing my build to play... but we actually got very similar experiences, judging by your video. It took me over 100 hours to finish my first playthrough. Anyway, just wanted to say you have a cool channel and got a new subscriber. Cheers!
When you said it's like a "slightly more hardcore and math-heavy D&D", you're more right than you know. Pathfinder 1e was actually an improved version of D&D's 3.5 edition, which in itself was one of D&D's more numbers-heavy editions. And the stuff you can use in Wrath of the Righteous isn't even CLOSE to the full extent of stuff you can play with in the actual TTRPG. There's a number of official classes outright not available in-game (like the Summoner, the Brawler, and the Swashbuckler), to say nothing of the sheer number of archetypes/subclasses not included in this game. I will say that it is unfortunate that Owlcat didn't try to ease new players in when it came to character creation (easily one of the more intimidating aspects that's likely to push players unfamiliar with PF away), but that complexity also speaks to the sheer level of depth you can find in the system that you won't get out of games like BG3. And if anyone's curious, Wrath of the Righteous and its CRPG predecessor, Kingmaker, are actual Adventure Paths you can play with buddies for an actual Pathfinder TTRPG session (along with their special rulesets, the Mythic Heroes and Mass Combat rules for WotR, and kingdom founding for Kingmaker). Granted, Owlcat adjusted them both to not only better fit a single player experience but also to make it a new experience for anyone who had already played those APs before, so even if you play these games, the APs could still be a new experience for you!
@@Fluffy-c1vI love Pathfinder First Edition but I don't know if I could ever play a tabletop game of it again. I love the Pathfinder CRPGs for being able to let me experience the highs and lows of that crunch again. Now I'll stop before I write another five paragraphs about how great and easier Pathfinder Second Edition is :p
Honestly the adventure path thing is just so awesome for me. There are fans excited about what sort of an adventure path will be adapted next, and I always smile when I see this loading screen tooltip saying "if you want another spin on how the Fifth Crusade can go, pick up the adventure path with friends and try it out". And the best thing is that Owlcat's changes to the adventure paths in both cases are extremely well-received. For example, from what I heard, the Kingmaker antagonist didn't have all that extended backstory in the source material, and the whole bonus act is a completely new addition; and they add a lot of depth and awesomeness to the game.
Sadly some of the features for some classes aren't implemented, which is why the wizard, for example, is worse for a first time player than sorceror because you can't just prepare spell slots and then grab a spell you need in exchange for a short time. This mostly affects the early game and may force you to play defenders heart defence earlier because it's the only damn time limit in the game.
I'm an experienced Pathfinder 1e player, who ran this adventure path before it was made into a CRPG. I appreciate your perspective here. The grand scope of the campaign is something I really appreciated, though probably because I became attached to my version of the characters and setting, the changes made the whole experience of the game increasingly uncanny valley to me. Your statement that the story integrated lore, rather than had it as 'interesting tidbits' is very much the thing that attracts me to these RPGs, over something like Skyrim. Although, a part of that is handling. In Skyrim, you fight and defeat the World Eater, potentially severing the cycle of reincarnation for the world itself. It's not like you're not doing significant things, it's just that the game fails spectacularly to acknowledge it. If you're looking for other things that might be interesting to explore in this field, my first recommendation is this game's predecessor, Pathfinder Kingmaker, which does lack a few features added in Wrath of the Righteous, I think does a great job of demonstrating what a character can feel like in this world when they're not meeting and slaying god-like entities, but still have the lore of the world feel real and integrated into their lives.
@@-Lillies Sorry for the curt initial reply. I was on my phone and hate typing there. I would appreciate it if you did mark your comment as a spoiler. You are right, but I do think that the context does still give a vastly different impression of interacting with the setting of Golarion.
I just discovered this game a week ago… and man does it ever scratch the itch after bg3. Phenomenal game with tons of depth. I agree that it’s really hard to get the hang of-so experiment with your own character and use the auto level for your companions for the first while. I’m now a dual wielding demonslayer ranger riding around on a war hound. It’s wildly fun.
Apparently Owlcat games, the studio behind the pathfinder games is working on 3-4 other games. Also, Owlcat said they want to have future games be fully voice acted. And the newest dlc is fully voiced, even with optional characters.
@@Fluffy-c1v I don’t think they’ll be doing anything else for wotr. They announced with dance of masks that it would be the last dlc for wotr before they move onto other projects. I haven’t gotten to the part of the story to play the dance of masks content, but the archetypes it adds are a ton of fun. Nothing insanely powerful that is viable for unfair difficulty but cool flavorful options with some unique mechanics that’s exactly my cup of tea.
Be careful-this game is pretty addictive. I spent around 120 hours on my first playthrough. It was incredible, but I barely saw half of the game. The variety of events on different Mythic paths is just amazing. So I'll definitely play it again with different path, different build, different group of companions.
Truth to be told, it is absolutely no shame to play with easier difficulties and pre-made builds on your first experience with Pathfinder. As you said, there's an insane amount of numbers and choices that all come together and it takes a long time to grasp how it all works, let alone learn how to build for a certain outcome.
@DBinitiate Yeah, the longer I played the less bad I felt about playing on normal and lower. There is just too much to mess up for someone with 0 experience.
The mythic path system was a REALLY modified version of a existing system in the first edition of pathfinder but was never added to second edition which was a bummer, BUT its being added later this year and playtests begin like 2 weeks from now, and as someone whos been waiting for this for around 2 years im extremely excited i love wotr with my whole heart and am dying to see what the hell the paths are gonna look like
This is my favourite crpg. It actually beats baldurs gate 3 for me. I love crpgs and I have played almost every single one, and this one is the most personally fun. This game is anime levels of epic . Like unreasonably epic .
This game won my heart in such an unexpected way. I had no idea what i was in for. And at first was like this is janky and confusing. But i kept coming back and learning more. Now it is one of my favorite games ever 😭😭 Daeran my love
Oh I couldn't put it in words better. First couple hours feels janky, but after getting used to all mechanics and animations you just feel right at home.
@@Fluffy-c1v I'm still not used to it and I have over 7 days played by act 4. I will always mess up "ok so I'm using a touch spell and if I walk too far my spell won't go off because I'm using a full move action and part of my standard action" 🤣🤣
Great video, great insight, good luck with your budding CRPG journey. For a shorter but still very interesting title i recommend Tyranny, where the bad guys have won and you pick up right at the end of total world domination
I've been playing nothing else but WotR the last month now, such a lovely time sink, but the moment someone mentions Tyranny I get so damn giddy. Few games have you play the bad guy and has so many options for you to be a total twat waffle. But the spell crafting, good lord the spell crafting, so many games would be so much more interesting with that kinda mechanic. It's beautiful, even though it can be better, they were knocking on a very specific door with that one and no one else has answered the damn knock and that makes me sad
I somehow played this game launch week as my first CRPG (but long time D&D fan). Genuinely amazing game (I also progressively turned the difficulty down).
Great video. The CRPG ecosystem is working as intended. BG3 is an excellent entry point to the genre and Larian is absolutely the right choice to make that sort of game (as much as I love Owlcat I would never suggest their games to first timers). Once people have a sense of what a CRPG is and want to dive deeper, they can try Wrath (IMO the best the genre has to offer if you're willing to learn the system) and hopefully enjoy it. Both types of games are necessary. It was absolutely the right choice to just jump in without a guide and try the game out on normal or lower. Enjoy the next 1000 hours of experimentation, Oracle Angel is always a fun run if you're thinking about going LG/NG. If you're looking for more CRPGs to try, I think the Harebained Shadowrun series (Dragonfall and Hong Kong much more than Returns) are excellent. Simple enough system that I would probably suggest that as a first CRPG, but an interesting enough setting/story with sufficient customization options to make replays enjoyable.
I will definitely check these out when I'm free :D Thank you for a quality comment! Love reading those! 100% agree with Larian being a good entry, I probably wouldn't last long in PF if not for a bit of experience with Baldurs Gate :)
That's half right; Wrath of the Righteous is a really good game, certainly one of the best ever - but as for the "never played", I've played 768 hours so far. Gonna give it another go in a month or so, with the last DLC.
In my opinion, it's the best CRPG available so far. The writing, the music, the characters (Based Regill and Daeran), almost everything is top tier. The only real downside is its extreme complexity. I learned the Pathfinder system playing Kingmaker (it cost me some headaches) so i didn't went in full blind, but damn it can be obscure at times. But at the same time, that's the reason it's so good, because it allows for a near infinite replayability when it finally click and you get a grasp of it. While BG3's presentation and graphics are much better, at the end of the day it's the mechanics and writing that matters the most for a CRPG. And in that regard, WotR is hands down the best in my book.
@@Hekk. Fair. Although act 4 is really good as an angel, aeon or azata (the three mythics i've played so far). But act 5 is... Yeah, pretty mid unfortunately.
@@GarlMemory Tbh a lot of rpgs qualty dips nearing the end. The amount of choices and varity in locales drop a lot in act 3 compared to act 1 in Bg 3 (might also be cause act 1 was incredibly playtested over 3 years). From what i heard its due to them focusing all the ideas and such at the beginning of the project and having to rush nearing the end
@@mithras666 I mean, it's exactly the same in the TTRPG. Maybe you don't like it, and it's perfectly fine, but you can't blame the game for being faithful to its source material.
I love RPGs, so I played BG3 all the way through as it came out and *finally* finished my first WOTR playthrough (Granted I've been doing another playthrough on it simultaneously but still). And when comparing the two it's weird. I play RPGs for story and choices. BG3 has way more emphasis on presentation and voice acting every line, where as WOTR has considerably less voiced dialogue or fancy character creators. But I don't know if I'll ever play BG3 again. WOTR, despite being less flashy, is way more compelling in its system and choices. Yeah, I suck at the pathfinder system now, but just wait until my 6th playthrough where I RP the Joker as a Mythic Trickster on Unfair difficulty.
"Lore is lore and gameplay is gameplay, but in WoTR, line is really blurred" So much. I've always been unsatisfied with the way western cRPGs handle religion - in many fantasy games it's a big part of someone's life, and sometimes gods and churches are even a big part of the plot; I felt it should matter more than just an icon on one's character sheet. Imagine my glee when WoTR gives one not only extra dialogue but also combat bonuses when religion is concerned. This and BG3 made me a very happy person.
It really surprised me when I played. You hear names of some gods, demons or legendary characters early in the game, not knowing that there is a good chance you will meet them. Makes for some really cool moments :)
I've been struggling to get into this game on PS5, but the character creation is so damn overwhelming. Finally committed to a Chaotic Evil Gnome Vanguard Slayer... it's going well so far but might restart as a good aligned character just for the first playthrough
I'm able to finish the game on unfair without any problems, because I've almost 500hours into it. So hooked was I. That said, even if it is fun to create the best possible characters and abuse the system as much as you can. I had the most fun when I played it on normal difficulty and made complete jank builds.
I'm still hoping that Owlcat makes a RISE OF THE RUNELORDS game, or dives into Pathfinder 2E stuff. The Pathfinder Games are both really good and don't have to hide from Baldurs Gate. Pillars of Eternity 2 Deadfire is also very great, but a bit more buggy :(
Love pathfinder wotr. And I can also recommend rouge trader from the same company its basically the same but with guns and spaceships set in the warhammer 40k universe.
@@Fluffy-c1vI highly suggest waiting for when they make the complete edition since the game is still buggy ( not nearly as bad as its launch) I really hope the DLC/Enhance Edition fixes the late game Acts because it desperately dropped the ball really badly that it turn a 8/10 to like 6.5.
oh yes, this is one of my fav games and great review! ps. strange, but I like kingmaker even more that wotr. maybe because their companions feel so alive
It's a very, very difficult game to get into; between the immensely complex systems, and boring several opening hours. But man, oh man, is it ever worth it to stick with it.
Thing with owlcat games is that... If you really want to have a smooth experience, you gotta wait 2 years - their games are so bug-ridden it's not even funny.
@@MagmaRiver their games usually are, but surprisingly i've had very little issues with Rogue-Trader even at release. i mean, i still had glitches and bugs here and there, but very few and i can't say they've really marked me. but as always it's hard to say, maybe i've been very lucky, or maybe they did get MUCH better. from my experience, i could recommend to play Rogue-Trader even now.
Very good review. I just wanted to point out that every Mystic Path has its own storyline. Like Angel Path you might get the opportunity to kill all demon lords. Or Aeon Path, which allows you time-travel. So one gamethrough is never the same like the one before. It is insane how much work and detail they've put into the game. And yes, I agree to Camilla, one of the most intriguing characters as a companion I've ever met. But so are some others.
As someone with 700+ hours in this game, and 300+ in the previous one (Kingmaker), plus a love for the ttrpg it's based on... Yeah, I can imagine this game being extremely overwhelming. Bonus points for anyone coming from dnd 5e and just picking a cleric, and having that nightmare of options.
I played Kingmaker and have yet to play this one but plan to soon. I am a DnD dungeon master for years and it has a similar ruleset so I am familiar with tabletop rpgs. I still had no idea what was going on half the time and had to google the most basic things often. Both of these games are tough to get into but are some of the best out there.
I played around in game, left my computer on overnight, but I beat the game around 500 hours (my wife played a bit too). I have NEVER experienced an isometric RPG that sucked so much out of me, for so much, uh, joy... I think that was the emotion? Really, truly, a game I beat that I felt confident in my choices - but not enough to not play it again... But there are other games first. BG3 didn't inspire me like this, I beat it, less than 200 hours, fairly complete. I have far more unfinished business in Wrath than Larian's masterpiece. That is saying something. This is a too little sung gem.
Pathfinder kingmaker and wrath of the righteous are direct inspirations of the classic crpg from the late 90's like baldur's gate 1&2, icewindale or planescape torment. The tactical pause and the 6 member team is its trademark, but in pathfinder they also proposed a turn based option for the players who prefer that. I wish BG3 had a tactical pause option for fights...
I'm not a CRPG veteran by any means, but I wouldn't even put Pathfinder: WOTR and BG3 in the same discussion. WOTR is hands down a deeper, more replayable and rewarding CRPG than BG3 could ever hope to be. I say this as someone who ranks Divinity OS2 as one of his fave RPGs of all time. You wouldn't catch me dead playing a TTRPG irl, but I personally took a week to reasearch the rules, and builds, before stumbling my way through normal difficulty in this game. Upon completeing it, I was 100% won over. I'm now doing a fresh run on Core difficulty with all the DLC, better knowlege, and builds. After that I'm 80% sure my next playthrough will be Unfair Difficulty. This isn't just one of the most marvelous RPGs I've ever sunk my teeth into. It's also one of the greatest games. It's not perfect by any stretch, and has a lot of annoying shit holding it back from being butter smooth...But there's so much in here, one could genuinely replay this game for years. A certified classic.
@@Fluffy-c1v recently they added poison immunity penetration mythic for assassins, but still does not feel any better. Any pure rogue is just better than assassin, sadly.
@@Fluffy-c1v cause you're not meant to fight as an assassin, you're meant to one shot people who don't know you're there. But you can't really stick a whole Metal Gear Solid game on top fo the rest of it, so things that don't specialize in combat suffer a bit.
The most evil thing you can do in a lot of games is siding with the "less good" guy or be mean to people. The most evil thing you can do in Wrath is pretend to be leading the fight against demons while actually conducting inhuman research to turn yourself into a sentient swarm of hell bugs and devour reality itself, starting from all the allies who have been helping you up to that point. Which actually forces you to conclude all conversations with NPCs that don't attack you on sight with an option that makes you devour them --after all, you can't escape the hunger when you ARE the hunger.
oh man i just fucking love pathfinder, wotr its a masterpiece, and its everything i aspire to give my players as a DM, specially the quality of the companions, such great characters, most of them arent groundbreakingly original but they are deep and well executed to the point all the companions quests are among my favorite quests fucking fell in love with ember, lann, sheela and sosiel in my first pkaytrhough as a kinda lawfull neutral golden dragon, and now in my lawfull evil lich im appreciating regill and greybor. i trully recomend replaying and trying diferent things
Ultra nerd here 🤓 I wasnt happy with the 200 archetypes already in the game so installed mods that add more archetypes. My favourite is Warlord Fighter Archetype from the Prestige Plus mod. Endlessly lets you improve your dodge bonus to AC instead of taking bonus feats and also gives a dodge bonus to AC based off your CHA stat. Dodge bonus to AC is special in that it stacks endlessly and applies when polymorphed. I think Paizo designed the archetype without polymorph in mind. The limitation is supposed to be your not allowed to wear armor. So you take the demon mythic path. The demonic forms are busted with such a high dodge bonus to AC plus several natural weapons 😅
I gave both Parthfinder CRPG's several tries as a BG1-3, ID1-2, PT, PoE1+2 Veteran and i just couldnt keep on playing them. Im happy for other players who love it but for me it just doesnt create fun.
The problem with Wrath of the Righteous is that there are so much possibilities and content between class, mythic path, romances and choices that I just theory craft my runs but never play the game past act 3 because I don't know what I want to prioritize on my first run :') Since launch I started and dropped at least 5 runs and spent most of the time in the character creator. Great game!
@acrab6527 yeah but its not really the same. I disassociate from mercenaries pretty easily. I had a barbarian mercenary named gronk and after his overly dramatic death under some demons buttocks I did not manage to shed a single sad tear :/
It truly is the epitome of RPG for me. A game that lets you grow from a simple man to a demigod while slaying bunch of literal DEMON LORDS? Say no more!
Yeah that's my one gripe with Baldur's Gate. You go through the whole game but still end up feeling pretty underwhelming strength wise. Wotr makes you go through those Mythic Paths and rewards you by having your character feel powerful. It's very cool.
@@Captainmubz it was kinda jarring to reach act 3 and realize no enemy stands a chance any more. Like "Really? One of the biggest and strongest cities in the land, and nobody is above level 12? I adventured for a few weeks and am now the greatest hope for humanity?"
The game actually has a bunch of mini-events that can give you small boons depending on your race, class or even the deity you worship. Who knows, if you do worship Urgathoa, picking up her fork can make you grow big anglerfish teeth that let you chomp down on your enemies.
I can't imagine get into pathfinder as your second experience in the genre, especially wrath. Kingmaker is older but way closer to something like BG3 in power level.
There's some in Nexus, but other than those I strongly recommend Portramatic (also in Nexus). Not only it brings lots of portraits on its own, it has the funcionality of configuring any image you paste there (either from URL or file) according to what WoTR requires.
I heard it said somewhere before that if Baldur’s Gate 3 is like watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy, playing Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous is like READING the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. The former is a great gateway into the latter.
The fork is probably from Numeria. Probably made from a star metal. I doubt Urgathoa has anything to do with it as the god of the undead wouldn’t be big in that stuff. Now Zonkuthon, maybe. ;P
Ah, the wall that is Character Creator, you can be lost there for HOURS if you're not careful and know what you want to do, I've been there many a time. Good choice on Knife Master Rogue + Assassin if you kept to it. Your race, class, Mythic Path and choice of Deity can change interactions, who you meet and what happens to you, your companions and to the city you take over. I feel the lack of voices for the more unimportant characters makes the characters with voices stand out like a sore thumb, especially if the scene is important to them as a character
Wrong of you to assume - I'm over 1000 hrs in WotR, and only like 10 hrs in BG3 (not a fan of the D&D5e system, much prefer PF). Sass aside - glad you found it!
Maybe you'll be tempted to try the previous game : pathfinder kingmaker. Same world, different country, different story that took place few decades before.
@@PotatoBag685I'm pretty sure Oleg (founder of owlcat) mentioned in last podcast he visited that wotr can be considered AA game and from his own words it was from 10 to 20 mil. However surely it's not even remotely close to bg3 budget
i know experiment with the build is fun. BUT (that's a big but) sometimes you just have questions, very specific ones. and you can't find the answers anywhere. that's truly depressing. You don't know what went wrong, you just can't find the answer no matter where you look, and then you just ignored it. that's what i feel when playing this game. i have learned most of the ruleset that i need, but it's still impossible to learn every detail about it, because of lack of information provided by the game itself. by the way, what is the point of "grow claws" if you can't always use it. you have to swap to barehand and then after 5 rounds, the the spell quota depleted, and you have to swap back to your original weapon. in addition to that, grow claws doesn't give you more damage. AND you literally have to spend one round to swap weapon. what's the point???
Yeah I won't even attempt pretending to know why some things are the way they are here. I probably know like 5% of this game despite finishing it. On one hand that's such a positive thing, on the other it is very confusing. Definitely rewards people knowing it a 100%, just as much as it punishes people who get confused.
Never played? I've done 14 runs(Aivu is best dragon, Azata for the win). But yes, it is an excellent game...Nenio should have been a romance option though. Even lacking romancing the science, it's still a fun game, with loads of options, and some great characters.
first time playing wotr i need to 5 or 6 time start a new game to fully understand and because i want a perfect beginning. still struggling for next 10 hour but worth it. this game is long journey if you want to finish all the quest and the dlc. its baldur gate but more directed. baldur gate 3 is using d&d 5 and d&d is good for role playing that is why baldur gate 3 is feel more free, more flexible. pathfinder wotr use pf1 or d&d 3.5, more tradiotional, rules center and math. thats how you get the number in the report on your lower right screen. but it give you amount of choice to build your character so the rules make sure you get stronger every time you level up because youll land more hit with bigger attack because of those sweet bonus calculation and we not yet talking about mythic path. youre a monster in battle field but with mythic path your a god.
Hey there, really nice video. I'm glad people are dividing into crpgs and wotr i particular. I played this game for over 600 hours i think and if combined with kingmaker it would go up to 1k+ easily. I love the game, but it has it's own flaws. Management systems owlcats make can be somewhat fun on 1st playthrough but starting from second or third they're just boring as hell (thanks god there's mod that allows to auto win all crusade fights). Puzzles are just terrible, period, I'm glad they ditched them in w40k and i hope we'll never see them again. Some dialogues (especially grey ones) makes you think that writers were paid for the amount of words they would write. In middle of the game it's just frustrating to read those, considering they don't really mean anything important you start skipping them. Music becomes really repetitive because half of it comes from kingmaker (same with MC voices) and transitions between tracks feels clunky. Gameplay wise i wish battlefield was somewhat interactive or at least vertical because atm the only thing that really matters is layout and which enemies you're fighting. Optimisation also kinda sux, game requires you to stack all sort of buffs from the middle of the game but it makes your game freeze/stutter, especially in TB. There're a lot of things i love about this game, but my favourite by far is mythic paths and the way they implemented it. I don't even know what kind of system they need to make to get us excited in next pathfinder.
Glad you liked the vid! I'm not much of a cRPG player but pathfinder managed to pull me in until the end. Yeah, the game isn't perfect, and some of the stutters and fps drops can even be seen in the video, as I just couldn't manage to get footage without it. I also enjoyed the crusade system, but I can see how that can get annoying pretty quick given a second playthrough. I personally only wish companions were a bit more responsive to players actions. SPOILER FOR PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T PLAY: For instance it got almost annoying that Seelah was treating me like I'm the second coming of Christ for 99% of the game, even though I was clearly evil in most situations. I could sacrifice soldiers, kill innocents and lie, but Seelah is always all sunshine and rainbows towards me. It's almost like during the Abyss chapter Herald of the Inheritor - even with his limited in-game time - managed to see through me within couple dialogue choices. Not Seelah though, nuh uh.
Baldur's Gate 3 is an amazing game, but it isn't doing anything never done before by RPGs, people just need to change their conception of RPGs from shitty open world games to games with actual mechanical and narrative depth
Wrath of the Righteous is indeed a masterpiece, however the combat in Pathfinder games is just so dull, its the only thing that makes me rethink starting a new playthrough all the time.
played it to when we get sent in to hells. Kinda got burned out there and paused the playthrough... Still haven't come back to it... But now i kinda thinking about restarting the whole game and making a different character (not that my past character was unfun to play, but i kinda want to go on a different route and the previous build would not work so well with it). I wouldn't call this game the best crpg - i think BG3 is still a lot better in many ways, but it is a very nice game still.
I love watching reviews or essays about this game but I don't have the time to get into it. Heck I was just looking through the reviews for it and decided to check reviews with the longest hours. One guy had 4k hrs on it. WTF
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It is actually VERY good. And there is sooo much replay value. Every mythic path changes ~30% of the game. I've done 7 play throughs. there's still 4 mythic paths and 200+ classes I haven't used.
It's one of those games where every year and a half you play it again and find new stuff.
Yeah, I will definitely try at least one more playthrough in my private time. This time with a good alignment character. I feel like there is so much still to discover :D
Hear hear. I have 781 hours in the game and haven't even finished all the mythic paths
And I love the real time combat too!
fr. I'm doing an AZATA playthrough it has so much new stuff
its the best CRPG ever made, if it was fully voice acted and 3rd person camera shots like bg3, would've been fucking insane, on my first playthrough i had 200 hours on hard difficulty, i love bg3, but pathfinder wotr is legit beyond insane
This. Been actually saying this for a while now. It might legitimatelly be best game ever made. I don't really like pf2 as much as pf1, but I expect games will use pf2 now instead. So this game just might be locked as best game ever for me. It is unfotunate that most of my friends were unable to fully comprehend its greatness somehow.
Its crazy to think this was a kickstarter project.
Yeah. I wish they pulled it off right off the bat, though :D
they had Chris Avellone that is a huge power up
In many ways, BG3 followed the Kickstarter model. The reason BG3 had such a large budget was the success (and money from) early access. Larian did not expect BG3 to explode like it did. They were hoping to exceed DOS2, but they broke that barrier by 100 times. Larian didn't enter with a large budget, and they didn't have the financial backing of a large studio.
Wonderful video, mate. Pathfinder WOTR is the second best CRPG i've played (BG3 comes first). I'm almost at 400 hours in the game and the feeling of power in it is beautifully done with the mythic paths, also, i agree with you about the OST in this game, I absolutely love it! It's one of the best things in this game.
Listening to Aeon OST got me feeling cosmic (if that even makes sense); the Demon made me feel angry; the legend made me feel like a, well, LEGENDARY; Swarm made me feel like an absolute menace, etc. Even the ones i don't like as much (Azata, Golden Dragon) are beautifully done.
Not to mention my favorite, the Mythic power OST, it plays the first time you get your powers and it is a REMARKABLE MOMENT and feeling.
Lich OST Slaps to, totally not saying that as someone who's in the middle of a Lich playthrough
What an amazingly well put review of one of my all-time favorite games! It's honestly hard to believe that this channel hasn't blown up yet, reviews like this deserve more of a platform than a lot of other big game reviews.
Thank you so much! Really that makes my day!
Ah a fellow Neutral Evil first timer, I find a lot of RPGs fall into the trap of just having no real content or at least way less of it for evil campaigns which is why I tend to be default good not so much because I have any real aversion to roleplaying a truly vile character but because evil options and campaigns are usually an afterthought unlike Wrath of The Righteous where there's tons of evil content.
@GodOfOrphans Yeah I think I just got lucky with the game choice. Although I did hear some opinions that even in wotr evil stuff is not really that robust. Most content was cut out for a good playthrough. Still was extremely fun tho.
@@Fluffy-c1v I think most of that comes from the nigh unanimous opinion that angel is the most developed mythic path so it kinda skews the curve for all the other paths, The late game mythic paths are the only ones I think are genuinely underdeveloped compared to the rest and that's only really because you get them so late in the game that you'll still have spent the majority of the playthrough as something else.
The best CRPG for evil campaigns if you really wanna spread your new demonic wings is probably Tyranny. There's no real alignment system just personal and factional reputation but the amount of truly evil things you can do in that game is impressive and the game is built with evil as the expected default so it doesn't have the issues of a lot of other RPGs with evil having the least content of all the options.
Yea, being evil in bg3 is effectively just removing content.
@@The_Yukki Can confirm, My only playthrough was mostly evil and I wasn't Dark Urge. So I missed out on a lot of story content, but I got to romance and recruit Minthara, so it was worth it.
@@josephercanbrack8393 If only she wasn't recruitable on good playthroughs thanks to popular demand :(
Hey! Just saw your review by complete chance, and I must say your format is awesome! Wrath of the Righteous is one of my favorite games, and I must say it raised the bar for CRPGs for me more than Baldur's Gate 3. I'm glad you enjoyed playing it, and watching your review was a blast, since we come from kinda opposite places: I grew up as a D&D nerd and played the pen-and-paper version of Pathfinder quite a lot, so I thought that would save me some time choosing my build to play... but we actually got very similar experiences, judging by your video. It took me over 100 hours to finish my first playthrough.
Anyway, just wanted to say you have a cool channel and got a new subscriber. Cheers!
Thank you so much!
When you said it's like a "slightly more hardcore and math-heavy D&D", you're more right than you know. Pathfinder 1e was actually an improved version of D&D's 3.5 edition, which in itself was one of D&D's more numbers-heavy editions. And the stuff you can use in Wrath of the Righteous isn't even CLOSE to the full extent of stuff you can play with in the actual TTRPG. There's a number of official classes outright not available in-game (like the Summoner, the Brawler, and the Swashbuckler), to say nothing of the sheer number of archetypes/subclasses not included in this game. I will say that it is unfortunate that Owlcat didn't try to ease new players in when it came to character creation (easily one of the more intimidating aspects that's likely to push players unfamiliar with PF away), but that complexity also speaks to the sheer level of depth you can find in the system that you won't get out of games like BG3.
And if anyone's curious, Wrath of the Righteous and its CRPG predecessor, Kingmaker, are actual Adventure Paths you can play with buddies for an actual Pathfinder TTRPG session (along with their special rulesets, the Mythic Heroes and Mass Combat rules for WotR, and kingdom founding for Kingmaker). Granted, Owlcat adjusted them both to not only better fit a single player experience but also to make it a new experience for anyone who had already played those APs before, so even if you play these games, the APs could still be a new experience for you!
@StreamingGenie hell yeah. I love complexity, but no clue whether I could even approach table top version of this madness
@@Fluffy-c1vI love Pathfinder First Edition but I don't know if I could ever play a tabletop game of it again. I love the Pathfinder CRPGs for being able to let me experience the highs and lows of that crunch again.
Now I'll stop before I write another five paragraphs about how great and easier Pathfinder Second Edition is :p
Honestly the adventure path thing is just so awesome for me. There are fans excited about what sort of an adventure path will be adapted next, and I always smile when I see this loading screen tooltip saying "if you want another spin on how the Fifth Crusade can go, pick up the adventure path with friends and try it out". And the best thing is that Owlcat's changes to the adventure paths in both cases are extremely well-received. For example, from what I heard, the Kingmaker antagonist didn't have all that extended backstory in the source material, and the whole bonus act is a completely new addition; and they add a lot of depth and awesomeness to the game.
@@xTheOneToSaveUsAllx They actually imported some of OwlCats ideas when they remade the Path for 2E.
Sadly some of the features for some classes aren't implemented, which is why the wizard, for example, is worse for a first time player than sorceror because you can't just prepare spell slots and then grab a spell you need in exchange for a short time. This mostly affects the early game and may force you to play defenders heart defence earlier because it's the only damn time limit in the game.
Hell yeah man I'm surprised you're not bigger your video was really well done
Thanks! Really appreciate that :D
Seconding this. Great stuff
I'm an experienced Pathfinder 1e player, who ran this adventure path before it was made into a CRPG.
I appreciate your perspective here. The grand scope of the campaign is something I really appreciated, though probably because I became attached to my version of the characters and setting, the changes made the whole experience of the game increasingly uncanny valley to me.
Your statement that the story integrated lore, rather than had it as 'interesting tidbits' is very much the thing that attracts me to these RPGs, over something like Skyrim. Although, a part of that is handling. In Skyrim, you fight and defeat the World Eater, potentially severing the cycle of reincarnation for the world itself. It's not like you're not doing significant things, it's just that the game fails spectacularly to acknowledge it.
If you're looking for other things that might be interesting to explore in this field, my first recommendation is this game's predecessor, Pathfinder Kingmaker, which does lack a few features added in Wrath of the Righteous, I think does a great job of demonstrating what a character can feel like in this world when they're not meeting and slaying god-like entities, but still have the lore of the world feel real and integrated into their lives.
You literally fight the lantern king at the end of that game. I’d argue he’s preeeetty god-adjacent.
@@-Lillies I was hoping to avoid unmarked spoilers for an optional boss.
@@-Lillies Sorry for the curt initial reply. I was on my phone and hate typing there.
I would appreciate it if you did mark your comment as a spoiler.
You are right, but I do think that the context does still give a vastly different impression of interacting with the setting of Golarion.
I just discovered this game a week ago… and man does it ever scratch the itch after bg3. Phenomenal game with tons of depth.
I agree that it’s really hard to get the hang of-so experiment with your own character and use the auto level for your companions for the first while.
I’m now a dual wielding demonslayer ranger riding around on a war hound. It’s wildly fun.
Apparently Owlcat games, the studio behind the pathfinder games is working on 3-4 other games.
Also, Owlcat said they want to have future games be fully voice acted. And the newest dlc is fully voiced, even with optional characters.
That's actually super cool. If they can improve on wotr that's gonna really be a timesink for me
@@Fluffy-c1v I don’t think they’ll be doing anything else for wotr. They announced with dance of masks that it would be the last dlc for wotr before they move onto other projects.
I haven’t gotten to the part of the story to play the dance of masks content, but the archetypes it adds are a ton of fun. Nothing insanely powerful that is viable for unfair difficulty but cool flavorful options with some unique mechanics that’s exactly my cup of tea.
I meant improve more in a sense of a different game :D but yeah, I heard it's the last dlc for wotr
That bit concerning Owlcat games sold decently but not that well for such rapid expansion.
@@Merchant074 They have said that they will improve Gold dragon path a bit so some new content will come at least
Be careful-this game is pretty addictive. I spent around 120 hours on my first playthrough. It was incredible, but I barely saw half of the game. The variety of events on different Mythic paths is just amazing. So I'll definitely play it again with different path, different build, different group of companions.
Truth to be told, it is absolutely no shame to play with easier difficulties and pre-made builds on your first experience with Pathfinder. As you said, there's an insane amount of numbers and choices that all come together and it takes a long time to grasp how it all works, let alone learn how to build for a certain outcome.
@DBinitiate Yeah, the longer I played the less bad I felt about playing on normal and lower. There is just too much to mess up for someone with 0 experience.
I applaud your bravery in diving into one of my favorite rpg series of all time
The mythic path system was a REALLY modified version of a existing system in the first edition of pathfinder but was never added to second edition which was a bummer, BUT its being added later this year and playtests begin like 2 weeks from now, and as someone whos been waiting for this for around 2 years im extremely excited i love wotr with my whole heart and am dying to see what the hell the paths are gonna look like
1100+ hours in and I haven’t finished a campaign yet… Great vid 🙌
That's the proper way to play :D
Same 😂 but I'm in the 900s
I suffer from making too many builds. I think the best starter class for folks is demon slayer ranger
Same, never finished the game over 700 hours. I have a severe case of restartisite.
Thats...not normal, lol.
This is my favourite crpg. It actually beats baldurs gate 3 for me.
I love crpgs and I have played almost every single one, and this one is the most personally fun.
This game is anime levels of epic . Like unreasonably epic .
This game won my heart in such an unexpected way. I had no idea what i was in for. And at first was like this is janky and confusing. But i kept coming back and learning more. Now it is one of my favorite games ever 😭😭 Daeran my love
Oh I couldn't put it in words better. First couple hours feels janky, but after getting used to all mechanics and animations you just feel right at home.
@@Fluffy-c1v I'm still not used to it and I have over 7 days played by act 4. I will always mess up "ok so I'm using a touch spell and if I walk too far my spell won't go off because I'm using a full move action and part of my standard action" 🤣🤣
Great video, great insight, good luck with your budding CRPG journey. For a shorter but still very interesting title i recommend Tyranny, where the bad guys have won and you pick up right at the end of total world domination
Oh it's def in my backlog of games to check out. I've heard a lot of good opinions about Tyranny. Thanks!
I've been playing nothing else but WotR the last month now, such a lovely time sink, but the moment someone mentions Tyranny I get so damn giddy. Few games have you play the bad guy and has so many options for you to be a total twat waffle. But the spell crafting, good lord the spell crafting, so many games would be so much more interesting with that kinda mechanic. It's beautiful, even though it can be better, they were knocking on a very specific door with that one and no one else has answered the damn knock and that makes me sad
I somehow played this game launch week as my first CRPG (but long time D&D fan). Genuinely amazing game (I also progressively turned the difficulty down).
Putting the "Our lady in shadows" soundtrack to the moment in the video where Deskari appeared was an interesting choice lmao
Great video. The CRPG ecosystem is working as intended. BG3 is an excellent entry point to the genre and Larian is absolutely the right choice to make that sort of game (as much as I love Owlcat I would never suggest their games to first timers). Once people have a sense of what a CRPG is and want to dive deeper, they can try Wrath (IMO the best the genre has to offer if you're willing to learn the system) and hopefully enjoy it. Both types of games are necessary. It was absolutely the right choice to just jump in without a guide and try the game out on normal or lower. Enjoy the next 1000 hours of experimentation, Oracle Angel is always a fun run if you're thinking about going LG/NG.
If you're looking for more CRPGs to try, I think the Harebained Shadowrun series (Dragonfall and Hong Kong much more than Returns) are excellent. Simple enough system that I would probably suggest that as a first CRPG, but an interesting enough setting/story with sufficient customization options to make replays enjoyable.
I will definitely check these out when I'm free :D Thank you for a quality comment! Love reading those! 100% agree with Larian being a good entry, I probably wouldn't last long in PF if not for a bit of experience with Baldurs Gate :)
I love pathfinder, I've been playing in on the tabletop for years, and this game is one of my favorites. Welcome to pathfinder.
That's half right; Wrath of the Righteous is a really good game, certainly one of the best ever - but as for the "never played", I've played 768 hours so far. Gonna give it another go in a month or so, with the last DLC.
In my opinion, it's the best CRPG available so far. The writing, the music, the characters (Based Regill and Daeran), almost everything is top tier.
The only real downside is its extreme complexity. I learned the Pathfinder system playing Kingmaker (it cost me some headaches) so i didn't went in full blind, but damn it can be obscure at times. But at the same time, that's the reason it's so good, because it allows for a near infinite replayability when it finally click and you get a grasp of it.
While BG3's presentation and graphics are much better, at the end of the day it's the mechanics and writing that matters the most for a CRPG. And in that regard, WotR is hands down the best in my book.
Writing takes a nose dive starting in act 3... Just like BG3, lol.
@@Hekk. Fair. Although act 4 is really good as an angel, aeon or azata (the three mythics i've played so far).
But act 5 is... Yeah, pretty mid unfortunately.
@@GarlMemory Tbh a lot of rpgs qualty dips nearing the end. The amount of choices and varity in locales drop a lot in act 3 compared to act 1 in Bg 3 (might also be cause act 1 was incredibly playtested over 3 years). From what i heard its due to them focusing all the ideas and such at the beginning of the project and having to rush nearing the end
Are you really going to tell me the combat in WOTR is comparable to BG3? wotr combat is some of the most boring buff-fest monotone combat ever
@@mithras666 I mean, it's exactly the same in the TTRPG. Maybe you don't like it, and it's perfectly fine, but you can't blame the game for being faithful to its source material.
I got 180 hours in POTR and I think I am just getting a proper grasp of ALL the mechanics involved.
I love RPGs, so I played BG3 all the way through as it came out and *finally* finished my first WOTR playthrough (Granted I've been doing another playthrough on it simultaneously but still). And when comparing the two it's weird.
I play RPGs for story and choices. BG3 has way more emphasis on presentation and voice acting every line, where as WOTR has considerably less voiced dialogue or fancy character creators.
But I don't know if I'll ever play BG3 again. WOTR, despite being less flashy, is way more compelling in its system and choices. Yeah, I suck at the pathfinder system now, but just wait until my 6th playthrough where I RP the Joker as a Mythic Trickster on Unfair difficulty.
"Lore is lore and gameplay is gameplay, but in WoTR, line is really blurred" So much. I've always been unsatisfied with the way western cRPGs handle religion - in many fantasy games it's a big part of someone's life, and sometimes gods and churches are even a big part of the plot; I felt it should matter more than just an icon on one's character sheet. Imagine my glee when WoTR gives one not only extra dialogue but also combat bonuses when religion is concerned. This and BG3 made me a very happy person.
It really surprised me when I played. You hear names of some gods, demons or legendary characters early in the game, not knowing that there is a good chance you will meet them. Makes for some really cool moments :)
I've been struggling to get into this game on PS5, but the character creation is so damn overwhelming. Finally committed to a Chaotic Evil Gnome Vanguard Slayer... it's going well so far but might restart as a good aligned character just for the first playthrough
You're struggling because the game isn't very good. It's not you. It's the game.
An awesome game and ive had a ton of fun with it. Glad you were able to find it.
I'm able to finish the game on unfair without any problems, because I've almost 500hours into it. So hooked was I. That said, even if it is fun to create the best possible characters and abuse the system as much as you can. I had the most fun when I played it on normal difficulty and made complete jank builds.
@johnhobbes2268 For me even normal was pretty hard. I can only imagine how much knowledge it takes to take on unfair :D
Just got in on a discount as well, looks I'm in for a ride! Well done with the video!
Thanks and good luck! It's a great game!
@@Fluffy-c1v 👍
at this point ive played so many older DnD/Pathfinder 1 games whenever i dont see 1000s of numbers and walls of text when i play a RPG i get kinda sad
I'm still hoping that Owlcat makes a RISE OF THE RUNELORDS game, or dives into Pathfinder 2E stuff. The Pathfinder Games are both really good and don't have to hide from Baldurs Gate. Pillars of Eternity 2 Deadfire is also very great, but a bit more buggy :(
Amazing game. I've played through it at least 20 times and still plan on more.
Yeah, replayability is insane. I'm still wondering what build to go with next playthrough :D
@@Fluffy-c1v if you need help or pointers, I learned a lot from a youtuber named crpg bro. He has great guides and info.
@@kurtbrisch5776 Oh I think I even watches some of his vids. Really cool stuff
Love pathfinder wotr. And I can also recommend rouge trader from the same company its basically the same but with guns and spaceships set in the warhammer 40k universe.
Oh I didn't know it's from the same team. I love 40k universe so seems like a must :D
@@Fluffy-c1vI highly suggest waiting for when they make the complete edition since the game is still buggy ( not nearly as bad as its launch)
I really hope the DLC/Enhance Edition fixes the late game Acts because it desperately dropped the ball really badly that it turn a 8/10 to like 6.5.
actually I liked this game more than BG3
oh yes, this is one of my fav games and great review! ps. strange, but I like kingmaker even more that wotr. maybe because their companions feel so alive
It's a very, very difficult game to get into; between the immensely complex systems, and boring several opening hours. But man, oh man, is it ever worth it to stick with it.
Thing with owlcat games is that... If you really want to have a smooth experience, you gotta wait 2 years - their games are so bug-ridden it's not even funny.
I hear they've been getting better at this with each new release, but it'll still be a while before I pick up Rogue Trader
@@MagmaRiver their games usually are, but surprisingly i've had very little issues with Rogue-Trader even at release.
i mean, i still had glitches and bugs here and there, but very few and i can't say they've really marked me.
but as always it's hard to say, maybe i've been very lucky, or maybe they did get MUCH better.
from my experience, i could recommend to play Rogue-Trader even now.
Very good review.
I just wanted to point out that every Mystic Path has its own storyline.
Like Angel Path you might get the opportunity to kill all demon lords.
Or Aeon Path, which allows you time-travel.
So one gamethrough is never the same like the one before.
It is insane how much work and detail they've put into the game.
And yes, I agree to Camilla, one of the most intriguing characters as a companion I've ever met.
But so are some others.
But I have played it! And I have a really hard time to pick a favourite between this and BG3.
(Ok, I'll watch the video now.)
As someone with 700+ hours in this game, and 300+ in the previous one (Kingmaker), plus a love for the ttrpg it's based on... Yeah, I can imagine this game being extremely overwhelming. Bonus points for anyone coming from dnd 5e and just picking a cleric, and having that nightmare of options.
I've not finished it but Pathfinder as a property... As a WORLD is just... SO good and full of potential. Golarion is the TTRPG setting I run in
yeah, its true. bg3 brought me to IPBSRTBFT Genre
Amazing video, subscribed
Appreciated!
A wonderful game, I've never finished a playthrough because I get a new build idea I want to try. I'm trying a Trickster Gold Dragon run now.
I played Kingmaker and have yet to play this one but plan to soon. I am a DnD dungeon master for years and it has a similar ruleset so I am familiar with tabletop rpgs. I still had no idea what was going on half the time and had to google the most basic things often. Both of these games are tough to get into but are some of the best out there.
I played around in game, left my computer on overnight, but I beat the game around 500 hours (my wife played a bit too). I have NEVER experienced an isometric RPG that sucked so much out of me, for so much, uh, joy... I think that was the emotion?
Really, truly, a game I beat that I felt confident in my choices - but not enough to not play it again...
But there are other games first. BG3 didn't inspire me like this, I beat it, less than 200 hours, fairly complete. I have far more unfinished business in Wrath than Larian's masterpiece.
That is saying something.
This is a too little sung gem.
Pathfinder kingmaker and wrath of the righteous are direct inspirations of the classic crpg from the late 90's like baldur's gate 1&2, icewindale or planescape torment.
The tactical pause and the 6 member team is its trademark, but in pathfinder they also proposed a turn based option for the players who prefer that.
I wish BG3 had a tactical pause option for fights...
I Agree! Pathfinder is so nice. I am trying to finish DOS2 before I head into pathfinder
Good vid, keep it up 👍🏻
Appreciate it
I'm not a CRPG veteran by any means, but I wouldn't even put Pathfinder: WOTR and BG3 in the same discussion. WOTR is hands down a deeper, more replayable and rewarding CRPG than BG3 could ever hope to be. I say this as someone who ranks Divinity OS2 as one of his fave RPGs of all time. You wouldn't catch me dead playing a TTRPG irl, but I personally took a week to reasearch the rules, and builds, before stumbling my way through normal difficulty in this game. Upon completeing it, I was 100% won over. I'm now doing a fresh run on Core difficulty with all the DLC, better knowlege, and builds. After that I'm 80% sure my next playthrough will be Unfair Difficulty.
This isn't just one of the most marvelous RPGs I've ever sunk my teeth into. It's also one of the greatest games. It's not perfect by any stretch, and has a lot of annoying shit holding it back from being butter smooth...But there's so much in here, one could genuinely replay this game for years. A certified classic.
Well done my friend
@@colpelvole3275 Thanks!
Bro, I see assassin class in one of your build. No wonder you felt some hard gameplay.
Yep, I was experimenting with some weird stuff :D later down the line I got rid of it though and finished the game as pure rogue.
@@Fluffy-c1v recently they added poison immunity penetration mythic for assassins, but still does not feel any better. Any pure rogue is just better than assassin, sadly.
Yeah, assassin just sounded cool in my head, but I could not win fights with it. Fortunately, I played maybe half a chapter with it at most.
@@Fluffy-c1v Recently they added a new warpriest archetype which feels more assassin than assassin itself will ever be xD
@@Fluffy-c1v cause you're not meant to fight as an assassin, you're meant to one shot people who don't know you're there.
But you can't really stick a whole Metal Gear Solid game on top fo the rest of it, so things that don't specialize in combat suffer a bit.
The most evil thing you can do in a lot of games is siding with the "less good" guy or be mean to people.
The most evil thing you can do in Wrath is pretend to be leading the fight against demons while actually conducting inhuman research to turn yourself into a sentient swarm of hell bugs and devour reality itself, starting from all the allies who have been helping you up to that point. Which actually forces you to conclude all conversations with NPCs that don't attack you on sight with an option that makes you devour them --after all, you can't escape the hunger when you ARE the hunger.
I have 350 hours and never finished a playthought cuz of the amount of build options, i hate myself for being indecisive
@@zenny410 I heard most people play like this :D nothing to be ashamed of
oh man i just fucking love pathfinder, wotr its a masterpiece, and its everything i aspire to give my players as a DM, specially the quality of the companions, such great characters, most of them arent groundbreakingly original but they are deep and well executed to the point all the companions quests are among my favorite quests fucking fell in love with ember, lann, sheela and sosiel in my first pkaytrhough as a kinda lawfull neutral golden dragon, and now in my lawfull evil lich im appreciating regill and greybor. i trully recomend replaying and trying diferent things
Ultra nerd here 🤓 I wasnt happy with the 200 archetypes already in the game so installed mods that add more archetypes. My favourite is Warlord Fighter Archetype from the Prestige Plus mod. Endlessly lets you improve your dodge bonus to AC instead of taking bonus feats and also gives a dodge bonus to AC based off your CHA stat. Dodge bonus to AC is special in that it stacks endlessly and applies when polymorphed. I think Paizo designed the archetype without polymorph in mind. The limitation is supposed to be your not allowed to wear armor. So you take the demon mythic path. The demonic forms are busted with such a high dodge bonus to AC plus several natural weapons 😅
I gave both Parthfinder CRPG's several tries as a BG1-3, ID1-2, PT, PoE1+2 Veteran and i just couldnt keep on playing them. Im happy for other players who love it but for me it just doesnt create fun.
Same.
The problem with Wrath of the Righteous is that there are so much possibilities and content between class, mythic path, romances and choices that I just theory craft my runs but never play the game past act 3 because I don't know what I want to prioritize on my first run :') Since launch I started and dropped at least 5 runs and spent most of the time in the character creator. Great game!
I had to force myself through the game for the same reason. I really wanted to try something different every couple hours :D
@@Fluffy-c1v that's what hiring mercenaries is for.
@acrab6527 yeah but its not really the same. I disassociate from mercenaries pretty easily. I had a barbarian mercenary named gronk and after his overly dramatic death under some demons buttocks I did not manage to shed a single sad tear :/
It truly is the epitome of RPG for me. A game that lets you grow from a simple man to a demigod while slaying bunch of literal DEMON LORDS? Say no more!
Yeah that's my one gripe with Baldur's Gate. You go through the whole game but still end up feeling pretty underwhelming strength wise. Wotr makes you go through those Mythic Paths and rewards you by having your character feel powerful. It's very cool.
@@Captainmubz it was kinda jarring to reach act 3 and realize no enemy stands a chance any more. Like "Really? One of the biggest and strongest cities in the land, and nobody is above level 12? I adventured for a few weeks and am now the greatest hope for humanity?"
I died at that Fork that gives cancer... subscribed🤣
Thank you so much! :D
The game actually has a bunch of mini-events that can give you small boons depending on your race, class or even the deity you worship. Who knows, if you do worship Urgathoa, picking up her fork can make you grow big anglerfish teeth that let you chomp down on your enemies.
I can't imagine get into pathfinder as your second experience in the genre, especially wrath. Kingmaker is older but way closer to something like BG3 in power level.
Yeah Wotr is not exactly noob friendly. But it was fun enough to make me make a video about it :D
Currently a Saerenae Fire/healing Aasimar Eccleseurge. Love scorching Ray, and the Cleric setup. Through the Ashes is kicking my butt tho.
I have no experience with DLCs tbh. Are they really that hard?
@@Fluffy-c1v No, I just get decision paralysis. Plus, Ashes tops out at level 5, so you need a class strong from the start.
Which Portraits Packs did you use, they look dope?
There's some in Nexus, but other than those I strongly recommend Portramatic (also in Nexus). Not only it brings lots of portraits on its own, it has the funcionality of configuring any image you paste there (either from URL or file) according to what WoTR requires.
I don't really remember well but there was a mod on Nexus letting you AI generate some portraits from a prompt. Pretty sure I went with that.
I heard it said somewhere before that if Baldur’s Gate 3 is like watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy, playing Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous is like READING the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. The former is a great gateway into the latter.
That is such a good analogy
The only problem pathfinder faces compared to BG3 is that it is not new player friendly and really unforgiving.
Well... Pathinder has a lot of settings, so even newbies can play it without knowing rules. But its not braindead easy as BG3.
@ oh the arrogance of pathfinder veterans lol
The fork is probably from Numeria. Probably made from a star metal. I doubt Urgathoa has anything to do with it as the god of the undead wouldn’t be big in that stuff. Now Zonkuthon, maybe. ;P
It is surely a matter of taste, but I 100% agree that Pathfinder WotR is the best RPG I have ever played. And yes, I have played BG3.
Ah, the wall that is Character Creator, you can be lost there for HOURS if you're not careful and know what you want to do, I've been there many a time. Good choice on Knife Master Rogue + Assassin if you kept to it. Your race, class, Mythic Path and choice of Deity can change interactions, who you meet and what happens to you, your companions and to the city you take over.
I feel the lack of voices for the more unimportant characters makes the characters with voices stand out like a sore thumb, especially if the scene is important to them as a character
The only reason the algorithm is showing me this video is because *I have* played this game.
Awesome video!😊
Thanks! 😊
I think Wrath of the Righteous is astounding. Shame it didn't get as much limelight!
Wrong of you to assume - I'm over 1000 hrs in WotR, and only like 10 hrs in BG3 (not a fan of the D&D5e system, much prefer PF).
Sass aside - glad you found it!
Great video ❤
Thank you so much!
Maybe you'll be tempted to try the previous game : pathfinder kingmaker. Same world, different country, different story that took place few decades before.
I was here before this dude became famous!
What? I have over 800 hours in that game. It beats Baldur's Gate 3 in every aspect.
@alexandera.1411 oh yeah. As much as I love BG3, pathfinder just felt so much more free.
Pathfinder WOTR is the most replayable game I have ever tried.
It's not beating it in every aspect, however there're a lot of things that wotr does better for sure
@@homeostasis1103 well, WOTR has 2M budget. BG3 had around 100M. Immagine WOTR with 100M budget... it could be fantastic.
@@PotatoBag685I'm pretty sure Oleg (founder of owlcat) mentioned in last podcast he visited that wotr can be considered AA game and from his own words it was from 10 to 20 mil. However surely it's not even remotely close to bg3 budget
My Fav game of all time. :)
Finished it 4 times now. : D
i know experiment with the build is fun. BUT (that's a big but) sometimes you just have questions, very specific ones. and you can't find the answers anywhere. that's truly depressing. You don't know what went wrong, you just can't find the answer no matter where you look, and then you just ignored it. that's what i feel when playing this game. i have learned most of the ruleset that i need, but it's still impossible to learn every detail about it, because of lack of information provided by the game itself.
by the way, what is the point of "grow claws" if you can't always use it. you have to swap to barehand and then after 5 rounds, the the spell quota depleted, and you have to swap back to your original weapon. in addition to that, grow claws doesn't give you more damage. AND you literally have to spend one round to swap weapon. what's the point???
Yeah I won't even attempt pretending to know why some things are the way they are here. I probably know like 5% of this game despite finishing it. On one hand that's such a positive thing, on the other it is very confusing. Definitely rewards people knowing it a 100%, just as much as it punishes people who get confused.
Never played? I've done 14 runs(Aivu is best dragon, Azata for the win). But yes, it is an excellent game...Nenio should have been a romance option though. Even lacking romancing the science, it's still a fun game, with loads of options, and some great characters.
Mmmm…I have like 2000 hours in P:WotR. BG3 is great too but scratches a different itch. I love them both, but I enjoy the deeper complexity of P:WotR.
Pillars of Eternity 2 and WotR are both S tier for BG2 fans.
first time playing wotr i need to 5 or 6 time start a new game to fully understand and because i want a perfect beginning. still struggling for next 10 hour but worth it. this game is long journey if you want to finish all the quest and the dlc. its baldur gate but more directed. baldur gate 3 is using d&d 5 and d&d is good for role playing that is why baldur gate 3 is feel more free, more flexible. pathfinder wotr use pf1 or d&d 3.5, more tradiotional, rules center and math. thats how you get the number in the report on your lower right screen. but it give you amount of choice to build your character so the rules make sure you get stronger every time you level up because youll land more hit with bigger attack because of those sweet bonus calculation and we not yet talking about mythic path. youre a monster in battle field but with mythic path your a god.
Hey there, really nice video. I'm glad people are dividing into crpgs and wotr i particular. I played this game for over 600 hours i think and if combined with kingmaker it would go up to 1k+ easily. I love the game, but it has it's own flaws. Management systems owlcats make can be somewhat fun on 1st playthrough but starting from second or third they're just boring as hell (thanks god there's mod that allows to auto win all crusade fights). Puzzles are just terrible, period, I'm glad they ditched them in w40k and i hope we'll never see them again. Some dialogues (especially grey ones) makes you think that writers were paid for the amount of words they would write. In middle of the game it's just frustrating to read those, considering they don't really mean anything important you start skipping them. Music becomes really repetitive because half of it comes from kingmaker (same with MC voices) and transitions between tracks feels clunky. Gameplay wise i wish battlefield was somewhat interactive or at least vertical because atm the only thing that really matters is layout and which enemies you're fighting. Optimisation also kinda sux, game requires you to stack all sort of buffs from the middle of the game but it makes your game freeze/stutter, especially in TB.
There're a lot of things i love about this game, but my favourite by far is mythic paths and the way they implemented it. I don't even know what kind of system they need to make to get us excited in next pathfinder.
Glad you liked the vid! I'm not much of a cRPG player but pathfinder managed to pull me in until the end. Yeah, the game isn't perfect, and some of the stutters and fps drops can even be seen in the video, as I just couldn't manage to get footage without it. I also enjoyed the crusade system, but I can see how that can get annoying pretty quick given a second playthrough. I personally only wish companions were a bit more responsive to players actions.
SPOILER FOR PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T PLAY:
For instance it got almost annoying that Seelah was treating me like I'm the second coming of Christ for 99% of the game, even though I was clearly evil in most situations. I could sacrifice soldiers, kill innocents and lie, but Seelah is always all sunshine and rainbows towards me. It's almost like during the Abyss chapter Herald of the Inheritor - even with his limited in-game time - managed to see through me within couple dialogue choices. Not Seelah though, nuh uh.
If you think the writing inconsistencies for evil characters are annoying , oh boy Dance of Mask DLC is going to drive you off the wall😂
Hardest boss in the game is defeating choice paralysis at the character creation screen.
Absolutely on point :D
>he went assassin
oh no
VERY bold of you to assume I haven't played it
I started BG3 recently. It's pretty good but doesn't hold a candle to WOTR except oc in the graphics department.
Oh yes 3.5, where u spend 3 weeks to make a character and then start again 2 sessions later.
Absolutely
Baldur's Gate 3 is an amazing game, but it isn't doing anything never done before by RPGs, people just need to change their conception of RPGs from shitty open world games to games with actual mechanical and narrative depth
Ill play this some day
Wrath of the Righteous is indeed a masterpiece, however the combat in Pathfinder games is just so dull, its the only thing that makes me rethink starting a new playthrough all the time.
Certainly one of the best RPGs out there. And yes, it is quite long.
played it to when we get sent in to hells. Kinda got burned out there and paused the playthrough... Still haven't come back to it... But now i kinda thinking about restarting the whole game and making a different character (not that my past character was unfun to play, but i kinda want to go on a different route and the previous build would not work so well with it).
I wouldn't call this game the best crpg - i think BG3 is still a lot better in many ways, but it is a very nice game still.
All i wish is that it would be fully voice acted since im too lazy to read
Yeah I was a bit skeptical the first time I noticed lack of voice acting in literally main quest. But after a while you get used to it.
I love watching reviews or essays about this game but I don't have the time to get into it.
Heck I was just looking through the reviews for it and decided to check reviews with the longest hours.
One guy had 4k hrs on it. WTF