Your Margin is so Bad... I've Never Seen a Margin Like This' | Dragons' Den
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“I’m building a portfolio of diverse businesses” - 20 years later. She’s still got a blank sheet of paper
So she's in the blank piece of paper business...
She sold herself out I'm afraid
Jenny, right mate???🤣
It mentions I think 4 businesses shes invested into from dragons den. But over 2 seasons that's mighty low and it says she left to help her " strapping lads " in their business. I personally think they just told her she had to invest more to stay
@@Fastshot yeah I remember reading an article that stated that she lost alot of money from investments before being on dragons den. That's probably why she didn't invest anything. The only thing is I'm pretty sure the dragons and the businesses don't have to commit to anything off camera.
I love how Peter always makes it seems like he is doing a favor by doing an offer and you are in a lot of trouble when you are declining.
That right there, is a true businessman
Yup, he gives you that "if I'm on the team, the company would benefit massively" vibe.
Yeah. Peter is by far the best dragon.
I always feel like Deborah is really up there as well. Those observing blue eyes reminds me of those of a hawk at times; she rarely fails to overlook the presence of any sketchy "details" hidden beneath the surface.
@@QSC0P3 Deborah is the most overrated of the bunch, and her net worth shows that. Besides Jenny, she's the poorest dragon.
That's being patronising, is it not ?
Jenny: "I never make investments, so I'm in"
Entrepreneurs: "you're out"
😅😂
Ha!
They didn't even consider her offer for a second.
The way peter and Debrah shook their heads when Jenny says I’m building a portfolio of business lol. What’s your business? Blank sheets of paper
I literally laughed out loud when that happened.
Dunder Mifflin
She's in the construction businesss, building portfolios.
@@DelkorYT Michael Scott Paper Company Is better
Michael Scott Paper Company would do better than Jenny
Even Jenny is talking about how she never invests in anything and has so much time on her hands for any investment she does make
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
9:13 Jenny comes with a blank sheet of paper
13:24 Jenny leaves with a blank sheet of paper
we all know she means i wont be investing because i dont have any money, im on this show just to get my salary
@flip inheck 12 investments out of how many opportunities however?
@flip inheck whos made less investments? Not being mean im just curious, came into watching DD season 15
Jenny came into the Den with a blank sheet in terms of investments and left with a fantastic portfolio consisting of blank sheets.
Nah, she made about 5-6 investments.
@@Bollibompa in how many episodes?
@@ahhaha8422
10 episodes.
According to Wikipedia she has 9 investments in series 14 (the most in that series) and 3 in series 15. In terms of investments per episode, she's on 0.41 (the average is 0.38). She's tied with Touker and has more than Duncan, Nick, Piers and Sarah W.
3 things I learned by watching dragons den:
- I am out
- London Office
- Vitamins
crappy vitamins @ holland & barrett
Do you expect me to hand over my childrens inheritance for your London Office?
Philip Davies hahahaha
@Joker 😂😂😂😂
And "Excellent" from Deborah
im sure the producers have put a massive heater above the people asking for investment, they all burst into a sweat when being questioned
That's what nerves can do
@@informationyes looks good for the show aswel like they being put under pressure
@@mcfcrusssinfin6371 lol they ARE being put under pressure because it is about their life
@@_mokosh_ im sure you don't sweat like that when sat in the bank managers office asking for a loan.. I wouldn't know as ive never asked for one
@@mcfcrusssinfin6371 Asking for a loan from a bank and going onto Dragon's Den asking for an investment into your company are two different things. I don't think you understand the significance of having a Dragon be part of your company.
Can we please get a compilation of Jenny saying 'I'm out' for the memes?
XD, i bet many people will love that
Nice idea man
With a sound track
I dont want to book 2 weeks off to watch it thank you very much!
Lol they liked it 😂
@@sp-pz8uc no problem and if don't want to watch it then don't no one is forcing you. I'm not trying to be rude, K?
This video is mistitled. The margin is not what causes the bidding war. Indeed, the margin is actually the worst part of their pitch.
What about the loan was it that created the bidding war?
@@DG-um3xi It's because some of them actually have extreme levarage when it comes to negotiating as part of the group owning it. They don't view it as much a penalty as they are quite capable of doing something about it merely by attaching their name and sending a rep who likely will be on a first name basis with the group being negotiated with.
I was hoping their margins were insanely good lol
Nikola Kantarovski it’s the bad financial management that pushes the bidding. Bad finances can be fixed with money and tighter control, and they can make a good product cheap at valuation.
Almost all of Dragon’s Den titles are idiotic.
I always feel extremely pleased when Tej gets a deal. Love this guy. He's so genuine.
Same here!
Same
He never ended up investing in the company
@@locky2562 lmao
I wish i didn't read the comments before it was over. 😅
Is that guy sweating or is his whole face crying
Yes
Face cry fam
Prob takes to much coke
Shayla Staniland nah g that’s mdma
King D117 and coke pal I would know
Spat my invisible coffee out when she said "portfolio of diverse businesses" and Deb & Pete rolled their eyes. Classic
First time Jenny makes an offer and she gets rejected. Tough day for her LOL
it's happened before actually ahahah
@Kaian凯安 😂😂😂
@Kaian凯安 haAAAAAAAAA
No look at 13:44 . She's so happy that they didn't accept her fake offer so she doesn't need to go get the same loan they did
Is it me or does her face twitch after every failed offer?
It must be hard to sit in that chair !
My god, Jenny made an offer. I missed the rest of the video after that because I fainted
Haha made me laugh out loud at work then
It was half an offer!
Creasing
Factsssss 🤣🤣
Jenny made an offer. For that reason, i'm out.
Legend has it that Peter and Deborah beat up Jenny after she threw shade at them, and for that reason, after this she was always out
SuperLamarrio64DS How hasn’t this got more likes?!?!?! 😂😂
I can't take it xD There are to many Jenny jokes. xPP
@@cameroncase3057 Because it's not even funny.
🤣 lmao
She threw a shade at them? When?
“What a fantastic out, and for that reason, I’m Jenny.”
"What a fantastic Jenny, and for that out, I'm reason"
What a reason, and for that fantastic Jenny, I’m out
Jenny, I'm a fantastic reason and for that I'm out
Fantastic that I'm what a Jenny, and reason, out for.
I'm owt Jenny, and for that reason a fantastic what?
Producers: "Jenny, do you even have any mo-“
Jenny: "I'm out"
These comments are too funny!
Nobody: Nothing
Tej: V I T A M I N S
What does this even mean?
@@dingdong475 that Tej is always talking about his vitamins and that he is the king of supplements 😂
Rus Lander and how he can build you a website
Underrated comment 😂
And you don't think it's relevant that Tej is already in business with these guys' biggest purchaser? Dumbass.
13:25 is the point where Jenny made up her mind to never put forward an offer in the den again.
Lmao
She was incensed.
Let's face it, nobody ever comes into the Den thinking, I hope Jenny gets on board with us. They have someone in mind, or a couple of someones, but Jenny is never included, and we all know why.
@@AlanHope2013 She don't taek it in nomber 2?
This was her first show.
13:39 Tej's face when Jenny lobs food at him is priceless.
Yeah, you can tell he didn't like it :D
Love the way Peter gives the impression he is helping them out of a bad loan but wants a massive 20% if coupled with another dragon or 40% on his own.....the charity clearly begins at home for him.
But he was doing charity work thought, any person with the slightest bit of business sense would see that the guys highly valuated their business with meager margins and a loss in funds. You do realise dragons never go into startups with say 5% or 10% right ? companies that manage to get low percentages off the dragons are the ones that have incredibly high potential and are already on their merry way. But there is also the bad loan, for most investers that would be off putting because they have to pay the loan back which means the company has debts which means it takes longer for the invester to get their money back and longer to make profits. The fact the dragons still made a deal in itself was charity work, but letting the guy own the majority is the cherry on the cake. If half the entrepreneurs knew they where being that badly fobbed off they wouldn't accept these deals.
@@ashleygoggs5679 couldn't have said it better 👌🏾
To be fair he is helping them out rather than giving the government a certain percentage of the company with no help he is getting that percentage and will be able to open doors
Shark Tank would have torn them a new one
Peter has experienced these kind of experiences before he became rich
I love the look on Deborah's face when Jenny says she's building a diverse portfolio of businesses.
They all knew it was a terrible deal but they really liked the guys, their pitch, their honesty and that they had their numbers in order. This is the correct way to pitch in this situation, hats off to these guys for pulling it off
Jenny: "I'm building a portfolio of saying I'm out"
😂😂😂😂
Peter for his straight forward confrontations & his business IQ while Tej for his genuine concern & experience in the market make them my two favourites on the show.
Duncan, Debra & Toukor are great as well!
and Jenny? youv left her out lol
Cuz she's out!
You're Jenny, so we are out.
Why do I see u everywhere now
She was in for once today after jabbering for half the episode
@@sasnad3 She should have put the full offer down. It would be like only her 2nd investment but why not, she has the time she said?
Lmaooo
Ha,ha!!😂
this isn't exactly what I expected when I saw "crazy margins" lol
Going though a Dragons' Den marathon and every video, not matter how old, is rammed with Jenny jokes. It's getting super annoying and old...
And for that reason, I'm out.
😂😂...😂😂...
total savage
in my mind it sounds like mark cuban though
haha quality. very good misdirection 👌
This was a high quality meme hahahah
I LOVE how everyone is so obsessed with Jenny even if she's not even in an episode. No mercy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Deborah really doesn’t like it when someone else gets in the way when it’s her turn to talk. But she sure likes to get in the way when it’s someone else’s turn to talk.
I've noticed that people who make a fuss when someone interrupts them are actually the ones who interrupt others the most.
She's got an ego and a half.
thats because deborah is an OG jenny is just the new kid on the block
What’s even more ironic is that in this very episode she stopped the man from saying something when she wasn’t even speaking! Yet a couple minutes later she jumps in when someone else is speaking!
Deborah the hypocrite
That is why she is a multi millionair and u re not.
Jenny: "To show you how keen I am, I'll offer you a tenner, for 95% of the business"
I'm Jenny and I'm out. *closes empty notes*
its only because she dosnt want to lose money she has the least amount of value out of them all
callum peers why is she there then
@@benthomas3888 Free water and a good chuckle with the Dragon lads
@@benthomas3888 because she gets paid for being there
@Crayon Man Clearly it was appealing anough for you to reply, hehe
sadly the deal fell through. they could not agree on a final deal with the Dragons and are now crowdsourcing for additional investment.
Really ?
@@estrellajuanadimas891 a sizeable proportion of the deals fall through after the show.
What are they up to now
@@y6f6rftyryh20 the company dissolved
@@joerpurnell no 😭
Everytime Peter stands im reminded of how absolutely massive he is
He's just a regular sized guy but he's standing on Theo the fetus's shoulders
Massive?, you actually mean tall.
I like how all the entrepreneurs come in with an agreement, and once the dragons look at it they immediately realize that they are being scammed.
This was really a charity case with that ridiculous pay day loan construction.
NO.. cos it was a EU charity that the loan was from - who would be forced to be more pragmatic.. the terms of that loan were pretty much only there as a contingency..
@@andipandi5641 a contingency? i would say a certainty , what company can pay back a loan in 2 years when its a start up reinvesting . The loan is a con that traps people who are desperate or didn't read the small print. And its not a charity loan if you dont pay it back they take your equity and the fines and the money you owe rises and rises .
@@gingerbill128
"a contingency?"
- yes.. a clause to draw on in any future negotiation..
"not a charity loan if you dont pay it back they take your equity and the fines and the money you owe rises and rises"
it would be a bankrupt and unbusinesslike charity - if it did not cover its own arse..
@@andipandi5641 yea thats why everyone condemns these loans as a disgrace and why peter was shocked by how awful it was. Contingency my arse.
yep.. you know what the EU are like with their "contingencies".. look at Brexit !!
Jenny would do great on I'm a celebrity ,I'm out of here !
LOOOL
Oo original one actually 😀
Lol
No she would be off before the helicopter sets off lmao
"Ive got lots of time and energy & im a celebrity, so for those reasons I'm outta here'
lol good one
jenny: “i’m all emotions, so i’m in”
Guys: “No, you’re out”
Im jenny im out
Peter and Tej pulled out. Quote from the company website "On the day, 4 out of 5 Dragon's decided to back Liam and Craig's idea, but negotiations broke down soon after the show due to not being able to reach an agreeable equity agreement."
thought they all agreed on 17.5%
@@IamJacksColon4 during due diligence many things emerge.
Peter looks all steel, but he does have a heart
Well you're clearly gullible. He just took 40% of the business, he couldn't care less about them.
@@BigBoss7777777 Lstn even Deborah offered that but she offered 500k for 20%
Jenny : ‘ Your asking for an amount that’s over my credit card limit - And for that reason I’m out’
Touka: you need my investment and for that reason, I’m out
Sometimes I see a side to Peter which almost seems that he’s a nice person As he doesn’t always come across like this. He defended their right to hold control of the company another time when he told the lady with the water bottle & brush that it was important she got her initial investment of 250k after one of the dragons asked if she would write it off before them investing. That’s true business which is fair to both parties.
that's what he says before he makes an offer that gives him a huge portion of the business ... ah well. That's life.
GOOD JOB GUYS. I smiled when you guys made that deal. Congrats to the both of you.
Me too. couple of nice Blokes.!
To be fair although Jenny hasn’t invested in a business you’ve got to give credit to her. Her performance in this show is paying this channel money simply for the comments about her.
Peter is so boss love that guy.
Tej: "Your company is worth 200k so I will buy in at a worth of 300k". Funny how many times these dragons invest to help the entrepreneurs instead of for their own self-interest. LMAO
Not sure if you actually believe that, but just in case: it's really not worth 200k. It's worth a lot more. They say it does to make deals feel sweeter and get more nods.They are businessmen.
Ferenc Szaffenauer bro u ever heard of something called sarcasm?
Dragons: It's shit and on that bases I'm going to make an offer! Was genuinely surprised they made offers the way they was talking about the business before. Especially that loan.
Its mind games as well,its basically trying to emphasise that the business is shit and whatever offer I give you,you should take. The dragons obviously saw something good about it and money in it.
same! Especially Tej, he said how tough it would be to invest and that they're valuing it too high and then goes: OFFER! I was so confused 🤔
@@williamking1905 Exaclty. Especially Peter Jones is talking shit, pretending he is incensed by the loan and therefore makes them an offer. We don't know Peter like that.
Tej: I'm not going lower than what I've already offered.
Peter: I'll go lower than my original offer.
Tej: OH WELL I WILL TOO THEN
PJ said it himself; he doesn't like to see any man getting assraped before his eyes.
Peter Jones is such a G.
I love Peter he's so human and those guys needed a break
Yes hope they are doing well I like Peter and all of them really
Wow, Jenny made an offer!!! Did pigs just fly???....AND she didn't get the deal!!! LMAO!
But set the offer up to be rejected. As a business owner why would anyone agree to have two dragons with one having slightly less equity...the one with more equity would pull the load and she would coast on their efforts...unfathomable situation. Not a chance!!!!
My goodness. Our little buddy on the right was sitting in an invisible sauna.
Jenny: "I come with a blank sheet of paper, and leave with a blank sheet of paper.
And for that reason, I'm out."
I’m glad the dragons offered deals, they were decent guys who needed that boost
When people say, "To be honest" I take that as meaning their default position is not to be honest and they're making an exception. :)
Title: bidding war between four dragons
Me: “ I already know who decided to be out” 😂😂
Apollo 63 surprisingly not Jenny
Til this day Jenny’s still got a “clean sheet of paper “🤣🤣🤣
Entrepreneurs: "we are here to ask for £0 in exchange for 0% of equity in our business"
Jenny: "I'm in"
"Diverse portfolio of businesses", lmao Jenny. That's hilarious.
the dude is sweating buckets
And you wouldn't
BillyBull not the point?
You guys are missing the important point of these guys paying the government 40% interest rates. THAT'S INSANE!
they gambled free for two years bro
That's government for you.
@@Weazelmania then dont take it
@@18621005194 Wouldn't. I'd like the government to do the same and not violently extort money from me in the first place.
When Jenny said she had 2 big strapping lads , the 2 boys thought she was gonna say stood in front of her and had big smiley faces , then she said back at home and they felt real awkward for a moment 😂
There is genuine respect and business ethics compared to Shark Tank.
I was weirdly glad they wandered out with a deal. They had all their numbers straight, they knew the business they were going into, and the adjustment they asked for was not unreasonable. Hope it works out for them.
Unfortunately the Dragon's deal fell through after the show due to "Due Diligence". They resorted to crowdfunding.
I feel like when Jenny is out people just make memes and joke about it but the few times I’ve seen her makes an offer she gets completely ignored 😂
It's a bit outrageous really
Priceless look on jenny’s face at the end lol
Narrator: Next up we have the turtle neck tycoon who claims he can change the world through portable internet communication, a bold statement but will the dragons bite?
Steve: Hello Dragons, my name is Steve Jobs and this is my invention, the iPhone.
Narrator: Tech guru Peter Jones notices a red flag immediately.
Peter: Where’s the keyboard? *holds up blackberry*
Narrator: A big blow for the balding entrepreneur as a major flaw has been exploited in his product.
Jenny: I’m out.
Tuker: Do you mind if I give it a go? *gets up and performs a flying elbow onto the products screen*
Narrator: Tuker seems very impressed by the products functionality.
Peter: Tell you what, I have contacts that can bring this product to a worldwide market, so I’ll offer you all the money, but I want 90% of the company.
Steve: *raises eyebrows*
Peter: I will.. however, drop down to 85% when a keyboard is added to the product.
Deborah: That’s just ridiculous, I can make you a bett..
Steve: I’d like to accept your offer Peter!
Blimey u have a lot of spare time
Lol genious!
Not sure what this achieved, but I enjoyed it anyway.
Brilliant comment. Well done.
Much love x
It's amazing how commercial banks make loans printing money OUT OF THIN AIR !!
Jenny to dragons den producers: Im finding no businesses to invests in
And for that reason, im out
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I feel like I've been clickbaited here lol... Why tf they having a "bidding war" on a business with "CRAZY" low margins 🤔
This is how you can tell a businessman from a non businessman. The dragons see potential smash in the market, with their helps and contacts they can reduce the guys margins with the snap of some fingers very easily. Margins on the show don't mean anything if they get a willing invester, what does matter is how they run the business and their enthusiasm, They invest more in the people then they do the product.
@@ashleygoggs5679 this. 👏
@@ashleygoggs5679 you don’t want to reduce the margins more 😂
No one:
Peter: your company is trash...and for that reason, I’m gonna make you an offer
Jenny: your company is great... and for that reason, I’m out
Do you even have a video where Jenny gets an investment?
theres one lmao but everyone else has done like 12-13 investments im pretty sure
The video you seek is here: th-cam.com/video/VM05BvXgXmM/w-d-xo.html
Dragons' Den omg they replied
Jamie E Donald Trump regarded that as a fake video
@@DragonsDenGlobal you're amazing
Jenny pretending to make an offer and acting frustrated when she was so relieved that they didn’t take her offer
"I've never seen margins like this" I love Tej
I feel like Barbara (US Shark Tank), Jenny (Dragons Den) and Naomi (AUS Shark Tank) should have their own show titled "I'm OUT"
everyone clowns on jenny for not joining businesses but honestly i respect her for acknowledging when she doesn’t know anything and sitting out
“Because we genuinely 100% believe we can put our money where our mouth is”
Touker: “you have no money to put where your mouth is” 😂😂
Fair play to Peter actually wanting to help a small business succeed and get back at the bankers for making them a crap deal
Peter was the shark that helps them pay off the other shark, but keeps your arm lol
The title should be "...bidding war between three dragons and Jenny"
Ant and Dec are on every bloody programme these days.
😂😂😂
mega funny.........LMAF............ANT AND DEC EVERYWERE.....BAHHH HAAA HAAAAA.....
Way aye mon 😂
When every Dragon starts writing, the moment you start your pitch...
you know you've got something.
Peter went for a hug but had to remember he was on TV
Peter Jones is like a business world super hero
Looks more like a depressed member of staff on the Waitrose fish counter
Pip Pipster haaa
@@pippipster6767 soo accurate
“We could be grilled by Peter” on a George Foreman griller?
"I come with a blank sheet of paper"
Jenny also leaves with a blank sheet of paper aka her notebook.
Her investment book.
Tej’s face when Jenny threw popcorn at him …. He was ready to punch her 😂
This is the reason why i like peter jones ... there is a good persona and great investor in him ..loved his move and his mentality and decreasing to 17.5 just to make sure the entrprenuer get 51+ shares , great thinking (y)
I liked these guys - and I liked the guy's negotiation - I was thinking exactly the same - ask to drop to 15% each, then suggest 17.5% - regardless of the state of your business, no one should abandon negotiating.
Jenny even pretended to be angry when in fact she was beside herself with joy,for one very obvious reason.
jenny came with a blank sheet of paper...few years ago and that paper is still blank as a canvas.
and for that reason im out...
Why call them dragons, they're clearly goblins
Jenny would be like Smaug:"I have my gold, Iam out"
@Martin Taylor precisely
I'm Jenny. I have time on my hands. On that basis I'll make half an offer I know you won't accept.
Because I know no other dragons would want to go Half's with me lol.
@@ella-bt8hp lmao
Happiest I've ever seen anyone to give up 40% equity in their business.
I've watched so much Dragons Den videos lately I can hear Tej Lalvani say 'vitamins' when I try to sleep
Jenny: I haven't even watched this video and I'm out
Dragons "I'll tell you where I am" den
Apparently they never ended up securing the investment after the show, so they turned to crowdfunding. They managed to raise £115,710 but went into liquidation shortly after and are now dissolved.
As you know We are the largest etc etc - Tej Lalwani the legend