Richard I have a 2018 3 performance with 188,000 miles. All supercharging. My ownership experience is almost exactly the same as you. lifetime efficiency of 241 wh/mi. Around 10% degredation. Don't feel like I've seen any additional loss after 80k miles. The only advice I'll add is that unless you're tracking the car you can buy much cheaper tires for $70 that work fine for normal commuting.
Can I ask how are you getting 241wh/mi. My 2019 M3p gets 315-360wh/mi and I drive in chill and fairy smoothly. Admittedly some of my drive is on 70mph roads to and from work, but I'd say it's 50/50. I've tried to hypermile it, but I've rarely dipped below 300 unless I look at "last 30 miles" data then I can dip to 215ish
Kia, nissan from similar period have egregious battery degradation, a lot going into the 30% degradation and nissan leaf going 50% degradation and even over 66% degradation, abysmal values.
@@roberts.wilson1848who knew thermal management and resilient chemistry was so important? Nissan suffered especially from Japanese First Gen Leaf battery chemistry suffering badly from degradation, especially heat related. Far from ideal for a passive cooled battery.
Nissan - yes Kia - no Only Kia that degrades is pre mid 2017 27kwh Soul 30kwh (fan cooled)Soul Ev + 64kWh Soul / E-Niro batteries k would say have lower degradation
@@brettbradshaw3704my 2023 m3p has averaged 298w per mile at 10000 miles. Only about 20% in chill mode. I average about 75/80 mph on motorway use. It was at about 270w but winter has put a dint in the consumption.
Great review as usual Richard. Good to see you put the non-stop media disinformation and mythology about electric vehicles to rest with some actual real world experience and reporting. Invaluable. Speaking more personally, we have two of the very early 2018 Performance Model 3s. My wife, who is no Car Junkie, absolutely loves hers. And mine is the most fun to drive vehicle I've ever driven. We have done mostly supercharging because we have free unlimited supercharging and Battery degradation has been minimal since we stopped leaving the vehicles in more than 75% state of charge
I know a guy who has a Model S at currently at 415,000 miles, lived off of free Tesla Supercharging for most of its life and he still has it today. He is on his second battery pack as the first went below 80% but was replaced by Tesla under warranty. On this logic it seems roughly 10% loss per 100k miles? Great video by the way, I am hoping to take the plunge into an EV myself.
Extensive Dutch/Belgian data base shows 5% degradation in first 50k miles and 1% thereafter. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c3m9wqlxPBo8ziDYVm5cHRzNCHZbtI_2vVhlXksX9Jc/edit#gid=657708069
Sounds impressive, but here in Ozz that's roughly 100k for this car. And would a cheaper non Tesla ev be as good? I'm not anti but just don't have the dough
Great video. I own a May 2018 RWD Model 3 with 91k miles, still drives like new! 248Wh/mi lifetime. No maintenance needed outside of consumables like tires, wipers, etc.
How’s the range holding up? I’m coming from an Ioniq of which I know is an inferior car in most ways but even after years of use does not show signs of degradation of the usable range.
@@benellis7427I have not seen any noticeable degradation in my daily driving, but I have not done any range tests from 100% to 0% to compare. As a point of reference the battery still says 306 miles at 100% (US Model 3), but I'm not sure how much useful data that number actually gives us.
That's great to hear, I have had a different experience, I own an October 2018 RWD Model 3 MidRange with 80,000 miles. Battery degradation is about 15%. I have had to replace the superbottle and the PCS which started failing this year. Spent about $3k in those repairs.
@@maxhugen there is a lot of anti EV propaganda on TH-cam, with creators with little to no knowledge spouting nonsense. This video is a great debunk on some of the points these propagandists make
Fanboys call all legitimate critique propaganda, hate and false claims. In fact, most claims you see from the "haters" are true. BEV:s are fire bombs with a big dose of range anxiety added on top. You need to adapt and plan your entire life around your BEV to be able to use it for even the simplest travels. Simply not worth it
@@thoos192 amazing, a real life example of propaganda in comments. OK, simple question. As a percentage, which type of car catches fire more often? There is a factual answer to this question. As a second note. Go to Google, do a search for "car fire", click "news". There are cars right this second on fire on motorways up and down the country. They'll all be ICE. As a percentage, 1 in every 41 car fires should be an EV, as 1 of every 41 cars on the road is an EV. Do this exercise often, you'll notice none of these fires are EVs Now finally, ask yourself, why do you think EVs catch fire more than ICE cars? Answer, because you fell for propaganda. Thanks for playing
I ran the Tesla battery health test on my M3 LR after two year of usage and 45,000km it reported battery health of 98%. This was with very little super charging and home charging from 100% solar, interesting my car reports 42% charging from regen braking. Hello from Australia.
If it is anything like the wipers on mine it will be 500k in perfect sunshine and zero when it is raining so hard you can’t see out. Still love my 50k miles 2021 M3P. Only cost I have has is replacing the glass roof when I dropped my bike on it. For some reason that wasn’t covered under warranty… bloody electric cars 😊
Brilliant video. All the negative FUD about used electric vehicles. I own a 2018 e-golf, done over 78000 miles and have a battery state of health of 92% with limited battery conditioning. Love it and was only going to keep it for a few years and still own it. Thanks Richard 👍
My 2021 M3LR has just hit 100,000 miles. Deg is roughly 3%. Recently did 275 miles from Poole to near Liverpool from 100% - 0% on 60-70 speeds. Also, only 10% I have charged at Superchargers or other fast charging. Only repairs I've had done is front upper arms, new charge port (not needed just a bit of insulation broke off), and replaced the drivers seat pad.
Great Video Richard. Whilst I enjoy reading other people’s views in the comments I cannot understand why some write utter nonsense to try to discredit your findings! Just ignore the haters Richard and keep posting informative videos.
Yeah it’s amazing people just want to hate EVs, don’t believe any data, want to do nothing to change and yet take the time to type away negativity and make themselves look daft. 🤷♂️
Agreed.. he is VERY thorough and completely unbias! Just know that there always be haters. Annoying but just ignore the negativity. Keep up the STELLAR work @Richard ! Hello from Houston!
My Tesla model Y LR, that you replaced the dash & put the swivel mount in for me on the day I got it, has done almost 45k, & it’s still brilliant, & yes I don’t get as many miles shown @ 100% as I did when I got it Plus I convinced a friend to also get one end of 2022, he’s done almost 100k in his and again might’ve lost 10% of shown range @ 100%, but he loves it. Never going back to diesel or petrol & hope to continue with my current car, although might be tempted if the model Y juniper comes out, mainly for the vented seats 🥶
I’ve had a model Y LR for exactly two years and driven 61,000 miles without any issues or service requirements. The original tyres lasted an unbelievable 44,000 miles.
@@mickwhytee4A couple of years ago I had an AMG E63 and drove that the same way. Those tyres lasted less than 10,000 miles, I do think the car has an impact on the tyre wear.
I am also surprised how well my tyres fare after 25k miles. After all the FUD in the media about faster tyre wear in EVs I expected them to be finished already but looks like I will do another 20k on them. Also Model Y LR.
I have a 2018 model x100D with 130k on clock. It has mostly been supercharged, as has the free unlimited supercharging, but still gives around 90% of original range on a charge. Only two major things have needed replacing, AC has failed twice (once while under warranty) and power steering once. Otherwise has been trouble free. Regularly take on business road trips going as far as the south of Spain, east to Poland and north to Sweden all charged by supercharger network. Tesla is the best for long distance driving.
How is Tesla the best for long travels? Do u have enough super charger if driving faster and in cold weather U gotta charge it every 150-200 miles. Good luck with a 500-600 miles journey. What's long travel for U ? LOL The US also charges more per charge and I guys got lucky without road tax. That's BS, those cars still use the road!
How much of the cost pain for the replacement AC outside of warranty? Weird that its neede an overhaul of the AC system twice within 150k.. but great otherwise!
It’s hard for people to be called out especially those whom have been misled by frantic media negativity. Mass hysteria sells papers as they say. There’s comfort in being part of a majority, even tho the majority is later found to be wrong. Just blame anyone and anything, it’s much easier in life as a coping mechanism- it’s harder to be responsible for yourself and lack of ability to think and evaluate new challenges. To have to think can be a painful experience, it’s much easier to latch on to thinking done by others. Whether it’s EVs or Hydrogen cells or anything other than petrol/gas or diesel, most of us will not accept it, even at the cost of destroying planet earth. Climate warming? What’s that?
@@swingbag12 Plenty of EV haters out there. They basically lists all the faults an EV might have, and none of the good qualities of EV, while how certain ICE features are better, and none of the ICE problems. These people never sat/drove EV before.
If you read the comments, their are some people who actually hate them. There are some of us that don't like the government trying to force them on it.there are some that an ev just doesn't fit their use. @swingbag12
Helped me decide. Tempted to leave my 2019 (bought new), 50K 3LR and venture into the Highlands. With such potential longevity, why incur rapid depreciation in something without, for example, fsd? Unspent £30+K will help with insurance hikes and repair costs! First car I’ve had that, after four years, I’m happy to keep…in fact, since day 1, I’ve regained enjoyment in driving, without degradation!
You would also lose the enhanced autopilot features, since most of those don't work on Tesla Vision cars. I would wait until that has been worked out, plus the front bumper camera is going to be included on new Model 3's in the near future.
I’ve got a 2022 model Y LR that I bought in October last year. It’s interesting to see just how much more efficient it has become as the weather has warmed up. Love the over the air updates (matrix headlights now working as they should). The car has only done 13k miles, so there’s probably not a lot of deg to talk about. Cost of ownership (depreciation notwithstanding) is really excellent. Totally sold on Tesla as a brand and wouldn’t consider moving away to another. It’s great to hear of people who have many hundreds of thousands of miles on their cars without issue. Bodes well for the future!
Thanks Richard, really enjoyed that. I have a 69 plate too, absolutely love it, it only has 21k but you’ve given me the confidence to hang onto it for a few more years (like you say, there isn’t much that compare to these bad boys)
Very good and interesting video. I have a 2023 Model Y LR (Austin, TX-built) and hope it does as well. I drove it from Dallas, TX to Colorado Rocky Mountains to Yellowstone Wyoming last summer (about 3,200 miles round trip) and the car did great.
Not sure about the deletion of the Indicator stalks though not tried one yet. Love our S and 3 but was thinking about a Y for rear leg room. They work and drive beautifully and have done for years (5 years on the S 100D)
Deluded. Nothing in Tesla really works well, feels like the car is constantly in beta. Legacy manufacturers produce far superior cars where everything “just works”.
2018 M3LR here. 177k very hard and abused miles and about 10% degradation. It spent about half its life on supercharging but now we only do that on road trips for the most part. We had zero issues and only put tires on it until our last road trip a couple weeks ago when one of the body control modules went out (fortunately just 20 minutes from a Tesla service center). We had that replaced along with the 12 volt battery. It should hit 200k by this fall. We plan to drive it until it doesn't drive anymore just to see what we can get out of it.
Love it, had mine as a company car now for a year and will be approaching 100k miles by the time my lease is over on it, not seen any real noticeable battery degradation in the first year, probably around 98% AC charging from home/work so running costs almost negligible! Interested to see what will be available in 3 years time when i have to hand this back (or possibly keep it!!)
I’ve got a model 3 P 69 plate on 65k miles so good to hear it will keep going without major maintenance or battery decay! I’ve put kw v3 coilovers on and it is a complete weapon, as you say the performance vs running costs is unreal, have free work chargingand home charger. My problem is the GT4 doesn’t get used and not sure what to buy next, the Tesla is so useable, cheap to run, reliable and fun to drive. They may catch on one day!
Your best video so far. I ended up buying Ioniq 5 and discarded Tesla for it’s poor build quality (I think when you spen £50k you don’t want to listen to rattles while driving).I’ve done 7500 miles so far at the cost of £350, public charging only. We are lucky here in Scotland, some charging is still free. Keep up the good work
Nice. A colleague of mine has a 2019 Kia e-Niro with 100,000 miles and his battery health is at 96%! But he mostly charged at home with a level 2 charger, hardly any DC fast charging.
Picked up my M3P about a month ago, same as this one except black alloys. 32K miles. Road noise from the Michelin Pilot Sports Summers was pretty bad so I put on Hankook Ion Evo AS. I also installed a weather stripping kit to cut down wind noise to negligible effect. My rear seats were squeaky around corners and over rough pavement so I put a double layer of .75" weather stripping on the chassis where the rear seats snap into place. Squeaks gone. The car is a joy to drive. The Hankooks do make the car quieter over smooth pavement than the Michelins, as well as being softer and more comfortable. Over rough pavement the car is loud. At first I thought something was wrong, but I rode in my friend's Bolt and measured the same db level over the same roads. So road noise is juat a thing with these cars. After the investment, hypersensitivity to certain noises might be natural but they're not worth losing your mind over. Take steps to make the car more comfortable but know that some road noise in inevitable. Also hearing wind break over the hood is just a part of driving a car without an engine. The M3P is my second Tesla after a 2019 3LR w AB. If you have a choice go for the Performance.
James from cLEVERLY and James and Kate channel did a review of a model 3 performance taxi and I think that had 200000 miles and he drove it and said it drove like new
My MS90D is currently on nearly 90k miles and 100% charge shows 258 miles. According to my Tessie App I’ve had 8.8% degradation and 91.2% battery health. I only use Supercharges when public charging (which is rare for me as I’ve no need to go outside my range) and have spent £185.19 total, in my ownership (7 months) and travelled 5,658 miles total.
As you say...Brilliant! I'm going to look for a mileaged variant just like yours. Thank the depreciation and just plain enjoy it for the "performance" and the value ~ As you say - Thank you Mate!!
Great Review. To all those worried about the expense of charging, I just took the leap and invested in 13.2kw solar, adding a battery for the house, whilst also upgrading to 3 phase to run a 3 phase charger. The charger will only draw the amount the solar is creating during the day, and at night we get special low rates for our EV's. I know this is not feasible if you live in a unit, or town house, but if you can do this, just do it. I now have no electricity bill and no petrol bill. Sure it cost a lot - $15,000 (AU) in total after rebates for me, but from here on out transport is only the cost of the car, and I've eliminated the home electrical bill at the same time.
Brilliant video, my model 3 dual motor with acceleration is the best daily and fun car that I can track. Can’t beat the performance, lots of people still not idea how well these model 3s drive. I was bmw 3 series fan before getting model 3. Fuel saving alone is worth it.
Hi Richard I have just taken delivery of a new Model Y and part of the deal was free 15000mls super charger charging this will do me for two years free running of my car, can’t complain about running cost there. 👍
My 21 M3 needed the same arms and bushes at 34k miles and £800 I was glad it was covered by Tesla but never had suspension issues so early in a cars life. Otherwise all is good.
I have a Tesla model3 standard range , 22 model and I have done 37k miles so far and all supercharging everyday, so far there is no battery degradation. Hopefully it stays like that for atleast 150k .
Really good review, I like the way you deliver your reviews without trying to be a comedian like many other motoring correspondents. Just good straightforward interesting statistics. Too many people slag off EV’s without driving or owning one just because they listen and believe the negative reports from people who make their money from petrol/diesel cars or products.
Hi Richard, greetings from Oxford. Love the work you do on this channel dispelling the FUD about EVs. In 2019 I bought a brand new BMW i3, my first EV. I still have it, still love it. I was a bit anxious about my decision at the time because of FUD, nearly 5 years later I have no regrets at all. My only expense has been 4 new tyres at 37k miles, I don’t get it serviced, because this is pointless in my opinion; even BMW say the service is to change the cabin filter and bleed the brakes.
@@aacmove Hi Adrian, I do think bleeding the brakes every 2 years is unnecessary. Brake fluid is hygroscopic, meaning it absorbs moisture over time, this can result in ‘spongy’ brakes and corrosion in the brake lines and system. However modern brake systems are not very vulnerable to this, and modern brake fluid is better formulated to resist this. Changing the brake fluid every 5 years is a good idea, but not every 2 years. This is just my opinion based on my 58 years of age, and 40 years maintaining cars.
@@simonreeves2017 and my 58 years and 41 years of car ownership tells me (like the majority of car owners) I'm not interested in getting my hands dirty. I have neither the time, the space or the inclination for it. And, I would rather not wait for strange noises to get things fixed.
Check brake efficiency, strip/lube sliders, bleed brakes, change coolant, air con refresh, check suspension wear... plenty to check on an ev. I wouldn't buy your car.
If you do the math on a different way regeneration is also DC as it is also a fast charge, therefore you are almost 50/50% on DC and AC charger, therefore it is holding up pretty well 😉 Amazing honest video which is not understood for so many, you hit the nail on the head there are not to many comparison with this power, low cost and also updated with the latest software after 100k miles, most others never receive any improvement.
Hi have a 2020 M3LR and its had its problems. Paint came off the whole car. Needed repainting 3 times. Charge port door needed replacing, charge port cable needed replacing, paint came off bonnet again, new door handle and new check straps. However i still love driving the car. all the issues fixed under warranty and in a timely manner. Im definitely ordering a highland ludicrous when they are released. Just thought i should point out all manufacturers have there issues. I obviously just got a car built on a Friday afternoon.
1. Purchase price compared to similar ICE vehicle ? Or how long can I use my ICE before the breaking point is reached. 2. How was it charged up to 80% or full ? 3. Supercharger all the time or not ? 4. What was the climate condition it was used in ? 5. What are the health stats on that battery ?
Good morning from USA I have a 2018 model 3 long range. I drive for Uber. I put 60,000 miles on it a year. I now have 69k miles on odometer. I charge to 85%
My 2019 M3 SR+ has done 135.000 miles and has 40 kwh remaining and a buffer of 3,5 kwh. So about 19% degradation. I got this info from the S3XY buttons app. I think it is pretty high but it still drives nicely and enough superchargers available in Holland when needed. I use it as my businesscar and it will stay in the family as our private car for sure. Now looking for a new one; maybe wait for the refresh MY
Great car! I've had mine for over 4 years now and driven more than 135000km (approximately 83,885 miles). This generation still has the low regen mode, which makes this car feel more relaxed to drive in traffic compared to the newer models without it. You don't sacrifice much efficiency, but it coasts much better. I do an alignment every year, and I'm running KW suspension, and have kept repair costs under €500. Still on my second set of Michelin tires (35000km+) and with only two winter tires needing replacement on my winterset over this period of time.
Honestly I'm a little disappointed that the oil pump wasn't under warranty or at least a good will replacement with it not really in my eyes being considered a typical wear and tear item .
I have a Model 3 Performance from Q4 2021, made in Shanghai. The car greeted me this monday with the infamous BMS_a079 error, meaning the high voltage battery needs to be replaced. Up to this point the car lost about 10% range in less than 2 years. I have 53.000km on the odo. This is a common issue with the Q4 21 and Q1 22 Model 3 Performances made in Shanghai. Its not a question about if, but when. Big thread in the german forum, over 2000 posts about that. Tesla wont recall those charges, but communication with owners shoes they know the issue very well. Keep this in mind when you buy used M3Ps
Great video. There is VERY few long term ownership data for EVs out there; you nailed it. I have had my EV6 for about 10 months now and have only done level 1 charging on it. I feel pretty good about its longevity now.
Calling four years “long term” speaks volumes. My 16 year old diesel has the same range as it did when new (700 miles), I can fill it to 100% capacity in a few minutes. The big drawback is that it can’t do zero to sixty in 3.6 seconds which would be very useful when going shopping or taking the kids to school
We recently got a 2019 M3P, it really is superb and like new. I was indifferent with the purchase initially as I’ve always loved petrol performance cars, I didn’t expect to become a Tesla fan boy. But there you go, a few 1000 miles in and we are all loving it more every day.
If, as you demonstrate, a Tesla Model 3 with high mileage is almost as good as new after 4 years, and £30k cheaper, why on earth would anyone buy a new one?
How old are you and what sort of cars do you buy? I'm 53 and I've also owned a lot of cars and most of them have had 5 times that on the odometer before I've got rid of them. And in 35 years of driving, the ONLY major failure that I've ever had was a head gasket in an '04 C class Kompressor.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I’m 80 and have owned over dozen cars. My first was a 60 Corvair and now I’m waiting for my Tesla delivery. Plus I drove a Tank in the 60’s.
Thank you for the useful, technical, but very understandable video! My main concern about buying a high mileage EV is determining the SOH (State Of Health) of the battery pack. You helped me to know ways of determining that! Here in the USA, EV prices are crashing. I could not normally consider buying a Tesla but now the prices of used M3s are getting within my finances. I expect them to continue downward for many months as our national economy is getting worse. I will be looking at 2018-2020 Model 3s with 100,000 miles or less. I rented a 2018 M3 Long Range Dual Motor with 48,000 miles for a weekend, two weeks ago from Turo. It's a fun car to drive although I detest aspects of the flatscreen. I put 817 miles on it in 2 1/2 days, SuperCharging roughly every 138 miles. I'm now convinced that I could live with such a car as a daily driver at my income.
I've recently listen to an obscure taxi podcast: A Spanish Taxi driver with a Model 3 LR with 248,000 miles. Use 365 days a year. Supercharged 365 days per year (two drivers). Degradation: 10%. Maintenance: Front arm bushes. 5 sets of tyres. THE END. (th-cam.com/video/g56TKNuLDp8/w-d-xo.html)
Very useful video. We are again seriously looking at electric. Prices have come down on used tesla and it is the battery and depreciation that is the issues. Insurance I think would be higher but running costs will be cheaper. I'm hoping battery packs come down considerably and even paying 8k on a new one is preferable to buying a complete new vehicle. I do wonder if jumps in tech such as solid state would be transferable into earlier vehicles.
I’ve done 70,000 in two years in my Rear Wheel a drive 3 and have been delighted. My “granny” driving means I got 45,000 miles out of the rear tyres and 65,000 out of the fronts! I’ve averaged 4.5 miles per KWh… rattling hub caps replaced at a cost of £156.00 and a pollen filter. Wouldn’t go back to petrol…
@@daveargent7654 it is a result of proper “granny driving”! Also the tyres you buy afterwards never seem quite as good as the OEM from the sane manufacturer…
granny driving pays off. and the Long range can take on almost any contender for performance, unless it's another Tesla. A local '24 S Plaid has me dreaming.
Didn't mention no oil changes, no oil filters, no brake shoes or maintenance, no spark plugs, no exhaust system to maintain, no catalytic converter to replace or be stolen, WAY less time wasted in and travelling to and from mechanics workshops etcétera. And if you're charging at home overnight, no time wasted in petrol stations. Plus, as you are doing, like so many of us are, solar panels charging the car for virtually free. What's not to love?
When we have BEV's that are 15+ years old, they will also have a higher value than any ICE car due to the value of the battery, wether for storage, repairs or recycling. So maybe the end of the sub £1,000 car will arrive? Great to hear how well the Tesla has held up as I am looking at the new Highland!
Question - do you have a buyer of used ev-batteries? Otherwise your comment is kind of meaningless. As it stands today an ev with a depleted/non-functioning battery is worth nothing. I currently lease an ev but feel reluctant to buy one.
@@Jonas-gg1yz Check out Electric Classic cars on youtube and various other channels show how second hand batteries have a use. Fully charged have also shown a leaf being upgraded with a larger battery. So yes plenty of places want them and a damaged one could be used to repair another. Other people use them for energy storage and even in business for large scale.
End of life batteries are not coming back into the market quick enough. Recycling companies are under subscribed at present. In the future when old batteries are available in large enough quantities Recycling will be big business. Why mine for materials if they are already neatly packaged in a battery. For this reason I believe it will be difficult to buy a super cheap used ev as the battery will always have value to it.
@@Jonas-gg1yz used Tesla motors go for 2,000 on eBay. Battery cells 500 quid each, used battery about 7,000. There is probably about 12k of salvage in a Tesla.
Thats an awesome car. The pre-facelift in the white with chrome looks better than the newer with black trim. In my opinion. These wheels are the best looking ones as well. It also looks like you got the real leather steering wheel in that one. Many 2019 modells have real leather steering wheel. Great video!
Hi Richard nice video , I have a 69 plate long range which I use as a private hire vehicle , however rear passenger window regulator /winder cable has snapped twice now , maybe because it’s the most door that’s been used . Worse bit is that it’s £185 to replace and the best bit is that I can fit it myself under 30 minutes . I think TESLA Should change the cable that runs through them and make a better system ! Would you agree? Many thanks
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Wiper sweeps when raining: 27
Wiper sweeps when not raining: 7,673,474
😂 yep
@@RSEV last update 2024 really improved wiper AUTO. no more random wipes on dry windshield, and ok to very good speed on rain.
@@clxboxone True!
@@clxboxoneDefinitely less random wipers but still happens which is annoying.
Reason i bought add in Hardware to Turn this shit Off and applied coating 🙈
Richard I have a 2018 3 performance with 188,000 miles. All supercharging. My ownership experience is almost exactly the same as you. lifetime efficiency of 241 wh/mi. Around 10% degredation. Don't feel like I've seen any additional loss after 80k miles. The only advice I'll add is that unless you're tracking the car you can buy much cheaper tires for $70 that work fine for normal commuting.
Can I ask how are you getting 241wh/mi. My 2019 M3p gets 315-360wh/mi and I drive in chill and fairy smoothly. Admittedly some of my drive is on 70mph roads to and from work, but I'd say it's 50/50. I've tried to hypermile it, but I've rarely dipped below 300 unless I look at "last 30 miles" data then I can dip to 215ish
Kia, nissan from similar period have egregious battery degradation, a lot going into the 30% degradation and nissan leaf going 50% degradation and even over 66% degradation, abysmal values.
@@roberts.wilson1848who knew thermal management and resilient chemistry was so important? Nissan suffered especially from Japanese First Gen Leaf battery chemistry suffering badly from degradation, especially heat related. Far from ideal for a passive cooled battery.
Nissan - yes
Kia - no
Only Kia that degrades is pre mid 2017 27kwh Soul
30kwh (fan cooled)Soul Ev + 64kWh Soul / E-Niro batteries k would say have lower degradation
@@brettbradshaw3704my 2023 m3p has averaged 298w per mile at 10000 miles. Only about 20% in chill mode. I average about 75/80 mph on motorway use. It was at about 270w but winter has put a dint in the consumption.
Great review as usual Richard. Good to see you put the non-stop media disinformation and mythology about electric vehicles to rest with some actual real world experience and reporting. Invaluable. Speaking more personally, we have two of the very early 2018 Performance Model 3s. My wife, who is no Car Junkie, absolutely loves hers. And mine is the most fun to drive vehicle I've ever driven. We have done mostly supercharging because we have free unlimited supercharging and Battery degradation has been minimal since we stopped leaving the vehicles in more than 75% state of charge
Splendid Douglas ~ There is hope then still to put my frumpy...("Oh look at that cute Buick" - Wife) into a Model Y =- )
Watching all your vids from Melbourne, Australia. Your somber and factual approach on the matter is refreshing, many thanks for it all.
Haha same 🇦🇺
I know a guy who has a Model S at currently at 415,000 miles, lived off of free Tesla Supercharging for most of its life and he still has it today. He is on his second battery pack as the first went below 80% but was replaced by Tesla under warranty. On this logic it seems roughly 10% loss per 100k miles? Great video by the way, I am hoping to take the plunge into an EV myself.
My model S from 2014 has done 373.000km and lost about 13% on the original pack.
Extensive Dutch/Belgian data base shows 5% degradation in first 50k miles and 1% thereafter.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c3m9wqlxPBo8ziDYVm5cHRzNCHZbtI_2vVhlXksX9Jc/edit#gid=657708069
Those original Model S cars did have some battery issues that Tesla seems to have solved over the years.
Yeah alright you woke up yet , living in a dream world u must work for Tesla
Sounds impressive, but here in Ozz that's roughly 100k for this car. And would a cheaper non Tesla ev be as good? I'm not anti but just don't have the dough
Great video. I own a May 2018 RWD Model 3 with 91k miles, still drives like new! 248Wh/mi lifetime. No maintenance needed outside of consumables like tires, wipers, etc.
How’s the range holding up? I’m coming from an Ioniq of which I know is an inferior car in most ways but even after years of use does not show signs of degradation of the usable range.
@@benellis7427I have not seen any noticeable degradation in my daily driving, but I have not done any range tests from 100% to 0% to compare. As a point of reference the battery still says 306 miles at 100% (US Model 3), but I'm not sure how much useful data that number actually gives us.
@@ejp1Thanks that is good to know. I’m sure I will happy regardless. I do however wish it was a hatchback.
@@benellis7427me too! or en estate version would be nice someday
That's great to hear, I have had a different experience, I own an October 2018 RWD Model 3 MidRange with 80,000 miles. Battery degradation is about 15%. I have had to replace the superbottle and the PCS which started failing this year. Spent about $3k in those repairs.
Great job fighting the MASSIVE amount of propaganda here on TH-cam.
Thanks for informing everyone of the truth!
Propaganda? On what?
@@maxhugen there is a lot of anti EV propaganda on TH-cam, with creators with little to no knowledge spouting nonsense. This video is a great debunk on some of the points these propagandists make
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Fanboys call all legitimate critique propaganda, hate and false claims. In fact, most claims you see from the "haters" are true. BEV:s are fire bombs with a big dose of range anxiety added on top. You need to adapt and plan your entire life around your BEV to be able to use it for even the simplest travels. Simply not worth it
@@thoos192 amazing, a real life example of propaganda in comments. OK, simple question. As a percentage, which type of car catches fire more often? There is a factual answer to this question.
As a second note. Go to Google, do a search for "car fire", click "news". There are cars right this second on fire on motorways up and down the country. They'll all be ICE.
As a percentage, 1 in every 41 car fires should be an EV, as 1 of every 41 cars on the road is an EV. Do this exercise often, you'll notice none of these fires are EVs
Now finally, ask yourself, why do you think EVs catch fire more than ICE cars?
Answer, because you fell for propaganda. Thanks for playing
I ran the Tesla battery health test on my M3 LR after two year of usage and 45,000km it reported battery health of 98%. This was with very little super charging and home charging from 100% solar, interesting my car reports 42% charging from regen braking. Hello from Australia.
How did you find out the 42% stat?
Interesting info thanks Richard
@@ObiePaddlesyou can read it over obd2 + scan my Tesla app
Is the LR NMC chemistry?
And it depreciates faster than it does 0-60.
Nice to hear a report from a person with practical experience, rather than those with a biased negative opinion.
This was biased positive opinion (and fact)...but biased non-the -less....and he admitted it which is great.
...what about those with `biased positive` opinion?
"You have to maintain your bush" - Could have been a suitable segue to a sponsored advert there 🤣
Manscaped get on practically every channel, don't they?
It was at this point I realised you could also have been referring to Flymo.
So glad DNA from the Carry On films can be detected on most British content comments
If it is anything like the wipers on mine it will be 500k in perfect sunshine and zero when it is raining so hard you can’t see out. Still love my 50k miles 2021 M3P. Only cost I have has is replacing the glass roof when I dropped my bike on it. For some reason that wasn’t covered under warranty… bloody electric cars 😊
What was the cost for replacing the glass? Was it the front or rear piece?
@@v1nnyc £1,181 including labour and VAT. It was the front piece. A peddle struck it.
@@Chaughan1ouch !
Should have been an insurance claim with $200 deductible.
Excellent report as usual.
It would be reasonable to say for a 100K miles EV (with a 10% range loss) there are no performance issues whatsoever.
Brilliant video. All the negative FUD about used electric vehicles. I own a 2018 e-golf, done over 78000 miles and have a battery state of health of 92% with limited battery conditioning. Love it and was only going to keep it for a few years and still own it. Thanks Richard 👍
This video is absolutely perfect timing for me, hoping to go test drive this exact model this weekend 😀
We have a good one with FSD on our website… just saying 😉. Www.rsev.co.uk
Did you get one ?
Another great review, Richard. Thank you for all the insight to just how good the original Model 3 actually is.
This is what I want to hear the everyday driver story of an EV, great video.
My 2021 M3LR has just hit 100,000 miles. Deg is roughly 3%. Recently did 275 miles from Poole to near Liverpool from 100% - 0% on 60-70 speeds. Also, only 10% I have charged at Superchargers or other fast charging.
Only repairs I've had done is front upper arms, new charge port (not needed just a bit of insulation broke off), and replaced the drivers seat pad.
Only 3% is super 👌
Is the seat pad when it doesn't recognise a driver and doesn't turn on? Seems quite common
@@akf2000 nah I started to feel the base of the seat through the foam, so I swapped the foam out.
My Model 3 LR has after 61000km in 2.5 yrs 5% degradation. about 30% SuC. It already hit 5% Deg after 40000, nothing since then really.
@@TheTechOnlinedid you do that yourself or did you get Tesla to do it? If Tesla do you know how much it was?
Great Video Richard. Whilst I enjoy reading other people’s views in the comments I cannot understand why some write utter nonsense to try to discredit your findings! Just ignore the haters Richard and keep posting informative videos.
Yeah it’s amazing people just want to hate EVs, don’t believe any data, want to do nothing to change and yet take the time to type away negativity and make themselves look daft. 🤷♂️
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So everyone who has posted their own Tesla horror stories are just making them up?🤔
Agreed.. he is VERY thorough and completely unbias! Just know that there always be haters. Annoying but just ignore the negativity. Keep up the STELLAR work @Richard ! Hello from Houston!
My Tesla model Y LR, that you replaced the dash & put the swivel mount in for me on the day I got it, has done almost 45k, & it’s still brilliant, & yes I don’t get as many miles shown @ 100% as I did when I got it
Plus I convinced a friend to also get one end of 2022, he’s done almost 100k in his and again might’ve lost 10% of shown range @ 100%, but he loves it.
Never going back to diesel or petrol & hope to continue with my current car, although might be tempted if the model Y juniper comes out, mainly for the vented seats 🥶
You have a great channel and enjoy you and the content. 100,000 miles….. WOW! I only have 99,810 to go :))
I’ve had a model Y LR for exactly two years and driven 61,000 miles without any issues or service requirements. The original tyres lasted an unbelievable 44,000 miles.
That’s what surprised me as well
I have original Tyres after 50k km and still fine
Probably due to driving style and the performance model torque is the biggest wear factor on a car especially if heavy right foot
@@mickwhytee4A couple of years ago I had an AMG E63 and drove that the same way. Those tyres lasted less than 10,000 miles, I do think the car has an impact on the tyre wear.
I am also surprised how well my tyres fare after 25k miles. After all the FUD in the media about faster tyre wear in EVs I expected them to be finished already but looks like I will do another 20k on them. Also Model Y LR.
I have a 2018 model x100D with 130k on clock. It has mostly been supercharged, as has the free unlimited supercharging, but still gives around 90% of original range on a charge. Only two major things have needed replacing, AC has failed twice (once while under warranty) and power steering once. Otherwise has been trouble free. Regularly take on business road trips going as far as the south of Spain, east to Poland and north to Sweden all charged by supercharger network. Tesla is the best for long distance driving.
How is Tesla the best for long travels? Do u have enough super charger if driving faster and in cold weather U gotta charge it every 150-200 miles. Good luck with a 500-600 miles journey. What's long travel for U ? LOL
The US also charges more per charge and I guys got lucky without road tax. That's BS, those cars still use the road!
How much of the cost pain for the replacement AC outside of warranty? Weird that its neede an overhaul of the AC system twice within 150k.. but great otherwise!
EV haters wont like this video...
I don’t think there is “ev haters” I just think ev’s don’t work for everyone. Me included
It’s hard for people to be called out especially those whom have been misled by frantic media negativity. Mass hysteria sells papers as they say. There’s comfort in being part of a majority, even tho the majority is later found to be wrong. Just blame anyone and anything, it’s much easier in life as a coping mechanism- it’s harder to be responsible for yourself and lack of ability to think and evaluate new challenges. To have to think can be a painful experience, it’s much easier to latch on to thinking done by others.
Whether it’s EVs or Hydrogen cells or anything other than petrol/gas or diesel, most of us will not accept it, even at the cost of destroying planet earth. Climate warming? What’s that?
@@swingbag12 Plenty of EV haters out there. They basically lists all the faults an EV might have, and none of the good qualities of EV, while how certain ICE features are better, and none of the ICE problems. These people never sat/drove EV before.
It’s not the EV people don’t like, it’s the battery life and not having charging stations everywhere.
If you read the comments, their are some people who actually hate them. There are some of us that don't like the government trying to force them on it.there are some that an ev just doesn't fit their use. @swingbag12
Helped me decide. Tempted to leave my 2019 (bought new), 50K 3LR and venture into the Highlands. With such potential longevity, why incur rapid depreciation in something without, for example, fsd? Unspent £30+K will help with insurance hikes and repair costs! First car I’ve had that, after four years, I’m happy to keep…in fact, since day 1, I’ve regained enjoyment in driving, without degradation!
You would also lose the enhanced autopilot features, since most of those don't work on Tesla Vision cars. I would wait until that has been worked out, plus the front bumper camera is going to be included on new Model 3's in the near future.
I would buy an ICE that actually works as intended and has almost no value drop compared to BEV:s @@seanplace8192
Great review! If only this could be in the mainstream media. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Another great video Richard and team 👍👍👍
Thank you
Gives me confidence re my M3LR 2021 with 31500 miles
Dan
Just had the matrix headlight update for my 2021 model 3!
I’ve got a 2022 model Y LR that I bought in October last year. It’s interesting to see just how much more efficient it has become as the weather has warmed up. Love the over the air updates (matrix headlights now working as they should). The car has only done 13k miles, so there’s probably not a lot of deg to talk about. Cost of ownership (depreciation notwithstanding) is really excellent. Totally sold on Tesla as a brand and wouldn’t consider moving away to another. It’s great to hear of people who have many hundreds of thousands of miles on their cars without issue. Bodes well for the future!
Thanks Richard, really enjoyed that. I have a 69 plate too, absolutely love it, it only has 21k but you’ve given me the confidence to hang onto it for a few more years (like you say, there isn’t much that compare to these bad boys)
Very good and interesting video. I have a 2023 Model Y LR (Austin, TX-built) and hope it does as well. I drove it from Dallas, TX to Colorado Rocky Mountains to Yellowstone Wyoming last summer (about 3,200 miles round trip) and the car did great.
Tesla really are the best. The new ones are getting better, and the older ones are still brilliant and unique with no real rivals……..
Don't kid yourself, plenty of excellent (and better) rivals.
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Not sure about the deletion of the Indicator stalks though not tried one yet. Love our S and 3 but was thinking about a Y for rear leg room. They work and drive beautifully and have done for years (5 years on the S 100D)
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Deluded. Nothing in Tesla really works well, feels like the car is constantly in beta. Legacy manufacturers produce far superior cars where everything “just works”.
2018 M3LR here. 177k very hard and abused miles and about 10% degradation. It spent about half its life on supercharging but now we only do that on road trips for the most part. We had zero issues and only put tires on it until our last road trip a couple weeks ago when one of the body control modules went out (fortunately just 20 minutes from a Tesla service center). We had that replaced along with the 12 volt battery. It should hit 200k by this fall. We plan to drive it until it doesn't drive anymore just to see what we can get out of it.
Done 20k miles on a Model 3 2022, 220wh/miles averaged over it's life. With Octopus it's 7.5p/kWh, so £330 to do 20k miles!
+ £1000 for tires according to this vid.
similar to my record 200 wh in summer 250 in winter .
Love it, had mine as a company car now for a year and will be approaching 100k miles by the time my lease is over on it, not seen any real noticeable battery degradation in the first year, probably around 98% AC charging from home/work so running costs almost negligible! Interested to see what will be available in 3 years time when i have to hand this back (or possibly keep it!!)
Wow, brilliant video. Terrific data and comparisons.
I’ve got a model 3 P 69 plate on 65k miles so good to hear it will keep going without major maintenance or battery decay! I’ve put kw v3 coilovers on and it is a complete weapon, as you say the performance vs running costs is unreal, have free work chargingand home charger. My problem is the GT4 doesn’t get used and not sure what to buy next, the Tesla is so useable, cheap to run, reliable and fun to drive. They may catch on one day!
Richard - Tesla Ambassador - Elon give this man a CyberTruck foc!
Even Elon pays full price. So did Sandy Munro. However, Richard does deserve every one of his free supercharger miles!
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And why not Teslas are great.
Teslabot.
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Your best video so far. I ended up buying Ioniq 5 and discarded Tesla for it’s poor build quality (I think when you spen £50k you don’t want to listen to rattles while driving).I’ve done 7500 miles so far at the cost of £350, public charging only. We are lucky here in Scotland, some charging is still free. Keep up the good work
great informative real world insight as always, one of the most interesting videos to date, great work
Nice. A colleague of mine has a 2019 Kia e-Niro with 100,000 miles and his battery health is at 96%! But he mostly charged at home with a level 2 charger, hardly any DC fast charging.
Superb review 😊 Great to put all the myths to rest, finally. Loving my dual motor Y after 2 years of owning. Keep up the good work. Great channel 👏
Picked up my M3P about a month ago, same as this one except black alloys. 32K miles. Road noise from the Michelin Pilot Sports Summers was pretty bad so I put on Hankook Ion Evo AS. I also installed a weather stripping kit to cut down wind noise to negligible effect. My rear seats were squeaky around corners and over rough pavement so I put a double layer of .75" weather stripping on the chassis where the rear seats snap into place. Squeaks gone. The car is a joy to drive. The Hankooks do make the car quieter over smooth pavement than the Michelins, as well as being softer and more comfortable. Over rough pavement the car is loud. At first I thought something was wrong, but I rode in my friend's Bolt and measured the same db level over the same roads. So road noise is juat a thing with these cars. After the investment, hypersensitivity to certain noises might be natural but they're not worth losing your mind over. Take steps to make the car more comfortable but know that some road noise in inevitable. Also hearing wind break over the hood is just a part of driving a car without an engine. The M3P is my second Tesla after a 2019 3LR w AB. If you have a choice go for the Performance.
James from cLEVERLY and James and Kate channel did a review of a model 3 performance taxi and I think that had 200000 miles and he drove it and said it drove like new
Its now done 220k video on my channel 😉
My car has similar age and mileage and i fully agree, it's simply brilliant. Best car i've ever owned!
Great timing, with prices dropping I’ve been tempted to get a m3p as a weekend fun car
Weekend fun car? What is this world coming to
I'm glad that I was reminded to maintain my bush.
My MS90D is currently on nearly 90k miles and 100% charge shows 258 miles.
According to my Tessie App I’ve had 8.8% degradation and 91.2% battery health.
I only use Supercharges when public charging (which is rare for me as I’ve no need to go outside my range) and have spent £185.19 total, in my ownership (7 months) and travelled 5,658 miles total.
Pending delivery of my 2024 m3p. Looking forward to it.
As you say...Brilliant! I'm going to look for a mileaged variant just like yours. Thank the depreciation and just plain enjoy it for the "performance" and the value ~ As you say - Thank you Mate!!
Great Review. To all those worried about the expense of charging, I just took the leap and invested in 13.2kw solar, adding a battery for the house, whilst also upgrading to 3 phase to run a 3 phase charger. The charger will only draw the amount the solar is creating during the day, and at night we get special low rates for our EV's. I know this is not feasible if you live in a unit, or town house, but if you can do this, just do it. I now have no electricity bill and no petrol bill. Sure it cost a lot - $15,000 (AU) in total after rebates for me, but from here on out transport is only the cost of the car, and I've eliminated the home electrical bill at the same time.
Brilliant video, my model 3 dual motor with acceleration is the best daily and fun car that I can track. Can’t beat the performance, lots of people still not idea how well these model 3s drive. I was bmw 3 series fan before getting model 3. Fuel saving alone is worth it.
Agreed and well said!
Hi Richard I have just taken delivery of a new Model Y and part of the deal was free 15000mls super charger charging this will do me for two years free running of my car, can’t complain about running cost there. 👍
My 21 M3 needed the same arms and bushes at 34k miles and £800 I was glad it was covered by Tesla but never had suspension issues so early in a cars life.
Otherwise all is good.
Was trying to work out why Tesla would fix your BMW M3 🤦♂️
Great video, thanks for putting it all together for us. Great car as well....I'm now seriously tempted by the new 2024 Model 3 performance!
Really enjoyed the information.
You are a natural.
Thank you so much!
New viewer here.
I enjoyed the fact you talk well without a load of padding waffle, just the info I clicked for
I have a Tesla model3 standard range , 22 model and I have done 37k miles so far and all supercharging everyday, so far there is no battery degradation. Hopefully it stays like that for atleast 150k .
Really good review, I like the way you deliver your reviews without trying to be a comedian like many other motoring correspondents. Just good straightforward interesting statistics. Too many people slag off EV’s without driving or owning one just because they listen and believe the negative reports from people who make their money from petrol/diesel cars or products.
Hi Richard, greetings from Oxford. Love the work you do on this channel dispelling the FUD about EVs. In 2019 I bought a brand new BMW i3, my first EV. I still have it, still love it. I was a bit anxious about my decision at the time because of FUD, nearly 5 years later I have no regrets at all. My only expense has been 4 new tyres at 37k miles, I don’t get it serviced, because this is pointless in my opinion; even BMW say the service is to change the cabin filter and bleed the brakes.
The fact that you think bleeding the brakes is unnecessary is troubling.
@@aacmove Hi Adrian, I do think bleeding the brakes every 2 years is unnecessary. Brake fluid is hygroscopic, meaning it absorbs moisture over time, this can result in ‘spongy’ brakes and corrosion in the brake lines and system. However modern brake systems are not very vulnerable to this, and modern brake fluid is better formulated to resist this. Changing the brake fluid every 5 years is a good idea, but not every 2 years. This is just my opinion based on my 58 years of age, and 40 years maintaining cars.
@@simonreeves2017 and my 58 years and 41 years of car ownership tells me (like the majority of car owners) I'm not interested in getting my hands dirty. I have neither the time, the space or the inclination for it. And, I would rather not wait for strange noises to get things fixed.
Check brake efficiency, strip/lube sliders, bleed brakes, change coolant, air con refresh, check suspension wear... plenty to check on an ev. I wouldn't buy your car.
If you do the math on a different way regeneration is also DC as it is also a fast charge, therefore you are almost 50/50% on DC and AC charger, therefore it is holding up pretty well 😉 Amazing honest video which is not understood for so many, you hit the nail on the head there are not to many comparison with this power, low cost and also updated with the latest software after 100k miles, most others never receive any improvement.
Hi have a 2020 M3LR and its had its problems. Paint came off the whole car. Needed repainting 3 times. Charge port door needed replacing, charge port cable needed replacing, paint came off bonnet again, new door handle and new check straps. However i still love driving the car. all the issues fixed under warranty and in a timely manner. Im definitely ordering a highland ludicrous when they are released. Just thought i should point out all manufacturers have there issues. I obviously just got a car built on a Friday afternoon.
1. Purchase price compared to similar ICE vehicle ? Or how long can I use my ICE before the breaking point is reached.
2. How was it charged up to 80% or full ?
3. Supercharger all the time or not ?
4. What was the climate condition it was used in ?
5. What are the health stats on that battery ?
Great video thanks, might consider one now.
I got 4c/kwh energy plan in Australia, so around 1500 pounds per 100000miles compare to 16000 pounds for my disel car. So great deal!
Great review mate. Thank you
Brilliant video 👏 We have to assume the half a million windscreen wipes have been on a dry windscreen on auto!😂
great vid, thanks for making this
My LR2019 is turning 150000kms soon, and i do confirm everything is solid. This car is really cheap to maintain ! Nice video by the way 😝
well done richard for fighting for the EV 's!!!!
Good morning from USA I have a 2018 model 3 long range. I drive for Uber. I put 60,000 miles on it a year. I now have 69k miles on odometer. I charge to 85%
How do you have 69K on the odometer, if the car is 6 years old and you drive 60K per year?
My 2019 M3 SR+ has done 135.000 miles and has 40 kwh remaining and a buffer of 3,5 kwh.
So about 19% degradation. I got this info from the S3XY buttons app. I think it is pretty high but it still drives nicely and enough superchargers available in Holland when needed. I use it as my businesscar and it will stay in the family as our private car for sure.
Now looking for a new one; maybe wait for the refresh MY
I have a 21 plate M3P and it's bloody BRILLIANT!!
Great car! I've had mine for over 4 years now and driven more than 135000km (approximately 83,885 miles). This generation still has the low regen mode, which makes this car feel more relaxed to drive in traffic compared to the newer models without it. You don't sacrifice much efficiency, but it coasts much better. I do an alignment every year, and I'm running KW suspension, and have kept repair costs under €500. Still on my second set of Michelin tires (35000km+) and with only two winter tires needing replacement on my winterset over this period of time.
Thanks to your massive work, all Tesla drivers will be comfortable with battery health matters 😊including me
Honestly I'm a little disappointed that the oil pump wasn't under warranty or at least a good will replacement with it not really in my eyes being considered a typical wear and tear item .
Me too, but ultimately nothing too expensive
I have a Model 3 Performance from Q4 2021, made in Shanghai. The car greeted me this monday with the infamous BMS_a079 error, meaning the high voltage battery needs to be replaced. Up to this point the car lost about 10% range in less than 2 years. I have 53.000km on the odo. This is a common issue with the Q4 21 and Q1 22 Model 3 Performances made in Shanghai. Its not a question about if, but when. Big thread in the german forum, over 2000 posts about that. Tesla wont recall those charges, but communication with owners shoes they know the issue very well.
Keep this in mind when you buy used M3Ps
How many times have the wind screen wipers wiped?
Is that intended wipes or unintended wipes? 😂
Great video. There is VERY few long term ownership data for EVs out there; you nailed it. I have had my EV6 for about 10 months now and have only done level 1 charging on it. I feel pretty good about its longevity now.
Calling four years “long term” speaks volumes.
My 16 year old diesel has the same range as it did when new (700 miles), I can fill it to 100% capacity in a few minutes.
The big drawback is that it can’t do zero to sixty in 3.6 seconds which would be very useful when going shopping or taking the kids to school
We recently got a 2019 M3P, it really is superb and like new. I was indifferent with the purchase initially as I’ve always loved petrol performance cars, I didn’t expect to become a Tesla fan boy. But there you go, a few 1000 miles in and we are all loving it more every day.
If, as you demonstrate, a Tesla Model 3 with high mileage is almost as good as new after 4 years, and £30k cheaper, why on earth would anyone buy a new one?
I’ve owned a lot of cars, and I remember when you could expect a new ICE car to last 3 years or 36k miles before major problems.
My father told me that alot of the really old trucks like 50s era had odometers that only had 5 digits
How old are you and what sort of cars do you buy? I'm 53 and I've also owned a lot of cars and most of them have had 5 times that on the odometer before I've got rid of them.
And in 35 years of driving, the ONLY major failure that I've ever had was a head gasket in an '04 C class Kompressor.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I’m 80 and have owned over dozen cars. My first was a 60 Corvair and now I’m waiting for my Tesla delivery. Plus I drove a Tank in the 60’s.
Thank you for the useful, technical, but very understandable video! My main concern about buying a high mileage EV is determining the SOH (State Of Health) of the battery pack. You helped me to know ways of determining that!
Here in the USA, EV prices are crashing. I could not normally consider buying a Tesla but now the prices of used M3s are getting within my finances. I expect them to continue downward for many months as our national economy is getting worse. I will be looking at 2018-2020 Model 3s with 100,000 miles or less.
I rented a 2018 M3 Long Range Dual Motor with 48,000 miles for a weekend, two weeks ago from Turo. It's a fun car to drive although I detest aspects of the flatscreen. I put 817 miles on it in 2 1/2 days, SuperCharging roughly every 138 miles. I'm now convinced that I could live with such a car as a daily driver at my income.
I've recently listen to an obscure taxi podcast: A Spanish Taxi driver with a Model 3 LR with 248,000 miles. Use 365 days a year. Supercharged 365 days per year (two drivers). Degradation: 10%. Maintenance: Front arm bushes. 5 sets of tyres. THE END. (th-cam.com/video/g56TKNuLDp8/w-d-xo.html)
Thanks, Richard for the video. It would be very interesting to see the degradation after 100,000 in an LFP battery Tesla. Best regards Martin
Excellent summary ... and a brilliant channel as well. Keep up the great work!
Very useful video. We are again seriously looking at electric. Prices have come down on used tesla and it is the battery and depreciation that is the issues. Insurance I think would be higher but running costs will be cheaper. I'm hoping battery packs come down considerably and even paying 8k on a new one is preferable to buying a complete new vehicle. I do wonder if jumps in tech such as solid state would be transferable into earlier vehicles.
I’ve done 70,000 in two years in my Rear Wheel a drive 3 and have been delighted. My “granny” driving means I got 45,000 miles out of the rear tyres and 65,000 out of the fronts! I’ve averaged 4.5 miles per KWh… rattling hub caps replaced at a cost of £156.00 and a pollen filter. Wouldn’t go back to petrol…
That mileage out of tyres is insane!! Thought I had done well in my SR+ with 25k on the rears and 50k on the fronts!!!
@@daveargent7654 it is a result of proper “granny driving”! Also the tyres you buy afterwards never seem quite as good as the OEM from the sane manufacturer…
granny driving pays off.
and the Long range can take on almost any contender for performance, unless it's another Tesla.
A local '24 S Plaid has me dreaming.
Great video. It will have sw updates with new features and efficiency over those years too.
Didn't mention no oil changes, no oil filters, no brake shoes or maintenance, no spark plugs, no exhaust system to maintain, no catalytic converter to replace or be stolen, WAY less time wasted in and travelling to and from mechanics workshops etcétera. And if you're charging at home overnight, no time wasted in petrol stations. Plus, as you are doing, like so many of us are, solar panels charging the car for virtually free. What's not to love?
Brilliant video, hugely informative thank you will subscribe for sure
Love you vids, mate. Brilliant
Glad you like them!
Looks like it has been very well looked after. How come most of the others fall apart?
When we have BEV's that are 15+ years old, they will also have a higher value than any ICE car due to the value of the battery, wether for storage, repairs or recycling. So maybe the end of the sub £1,000 car will arrive?
Great to hear how well the Tesla has held up as I am looking at the new Highland!
Question - do you have a buyer of used ev-batteries? Otherwise your comment is kind of meaningless. As it stands today an ev with a depleted/non-functioning battery is worth nothing. I currently lease an ev but feel reluctant to buy one.
@@Jonas-gg1yz Check out Electric Classic cars on youtube and various other channels show how second hand batteries have a use. Fully charged have also shown a leaf being upgraded with a larger battery. So yes plenty of places want them and a damaged one could be used to repair another. Other people use them for energy storage and even in business for large scale.
End of life batteries are not coming back into the market quick enough. Recycling companies are under subscribed at present. In the future when old batteries are available in large enough quantities Recycling will be big business. Why mine for materials if they are already neatly packaged in a battery. For this reason I believe it will be difficult to buy a super cheap used ev as the battery will always have value to it.
@@richardcorns8553 Agreed!
@@Jonas-gg1yz used Tesla motors go for 2,000 on eBay. Battery cells 500 quid each, used battery about 7,000. There is probably about 12k of salvage in a Tesla.
Thats an awesome car. The pre-facelift in the white with chrome looks better than the newer with black trim. In my opinion. These wheels are the best looking ones as well. It also looks like you got the real leather steering wheel in that one. Many 2019 modells have real leather steering wheel.
Great video!
0:44 If you do decide to chuck it away, there is some space on my drive 😍
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Great review, enjoyed it. Lots of interesting information....Thank you.
The reg bumps up the value of this car by at least 20% 🤣🤣🤣
As usual great review Mine long range is not close to that milage so probably will last forever
How's the insurance pricing been, compared to ICE of a similar group?
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Hi Richard nice video , I have a 69 plate long range which I use as a private hire vehicle , however rear passenger window regulator /winder cable has snapped twice now , maybe because it’s the most door that’s been used .
Worse bit is that it’s £185 to replace and the best bit is that I can fit it myself under 30 minutes .
I think TESLA Should change the cable that runs through them and make a better system !
Would you agree?
Many thanks