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2017 Lancaster Archery Classic: Barebow Recurve Finals
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ก.พ. 2017
- 2017 Shoot Up Finals for the Barebow division at the Lancaster Archery Classic in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Featured in these final matches: Dewayne Martin, Scott Bills, Bobby Worthington and John Demmer III.
Video presented by Hoyt Archery. hoyt.com/
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For everyone who came here wanting see barebow, and then complaining that the archers are using stabilizers, allow me to enlighten you.
The different classes are defined by the gear used.
Barebow allowed stabilizers in 2017, when this was filmed. The rules have changed so that now (2021) the riser and any attachments must fit through a 12.2cm ring. This means the longer stabilizers are no longer allowed, and instead small, dense weights are used to achieve the correct balance.
If you want to see wooden bows, shot off the shelf, without weights or plungers, etc, then you are wanting to watch the traditional class.
So before you comment, remember, there are rules. The classes are named according to those rules, not based on your personal feelings.
Good to know, I'm new to archery & it answered something I wanted to know, thanks.
good to know , ive been looking at those for a while now , was confused why they had these stabilizers.
Great Barrow shoot off. Thanks Lancaster for posting all this, I'm enjoying all of it!
thank you for putting this up! much more entertaining than all those olympic comps. thank you a lot and best greetings from germany :)
Wow! What a show of skill!Great archers!congratulations to the winners!
I just discovered Lancaster Archery. Looking forward to rediscovering a sport I love.
Very great shots!
Thanks for the he-man demo... This old geezer still prefers his crossbow.
Barebow is the best, it is what traditional archery is about, without the bells and whistles.
I cant help but want a bit, less? I still see quite a few "bells and whistles" on these bows. AMAZING competition though.
I like the bells and whistles, thank you.
More stuff to blame when I'm not shooting well.
Waltham - I wonder who originally said that.. since I hear it a lot.
I said it first. I've got a copywrite on it and everyone time someone says it I get a nickle.
I like the bells and whistles, thank you.
More stuff to blame when I'm not shooting well.
I'm a beginning archer so forgive me if this is a stupid question...what's with the stabilisers? isn't that contrary to the barebow rules? or at least against the barebow philosophy?
Not sure if you found the answer to your question but if you haven't here is the reason. This competition was back in 2017, back then stabilizers were allowed in barebow. As for the philosophy that may be subjective. Even with a stabilizer one could say it's still barebow since the archer is not using a sight.
I almost want to say that modern bows are so advanced does it really matter. Modern archers have the full kit, machined aluminum or carbon riser and carbon limbs. Is a stabilzer really taking away from anything?
would drive me nuts if somebody was trying to make small talk with me in a comp.
Especially when he keeps asking, "How are you feeling?" I'd be like, "HOW DO YOU THINK I'M FEELING LEAVE ME ALONE" haha.
Trevor Fout
The goal is to make more pressure, hence why they are put literally in the spotlight, on elevated platforms, getting their scores announced, and given the small interviews. It shows the competitiveness of the archers and brings out the best
Trevor Fout
I just want tell him to STFU, I'm trying to concentrate here...!!!
Then go enlist in the Marine Corps. After USMC Recruit Training everything else is a cakewalk. Well at least that is the way it used to be.
Fanatstic shooting,thats where the skill is at in archery.
I love how down to earth they both are lol. Really honest just being normal humans. It's good to see.
This is pure archery. Love it.
Forget these high tech risers and limbs, I wanna see a straight up piece of wood and a string.
im with you bare bow my but show me good old bear grizz, Kodak, panther, hertz and ill be impressed!!
Cortela
That doesn't bother me so much. True archery is just bow and arrow and I don't care how high tech as long as it's still a bow.
Me too. Give them a longbow. That's as bare as it gets...
Selfbow that shit up
I don't like the talking to the competitors during the match. It's an inconsistent distraction. They should be allowed to focus and concentrate without interference. I'd be interested if knowing how the competitors feel. Maybe it doesn't bother them. Seems like it would.
Geez, put a cork in it already!! Talk to Me after the match is over.
Traditional Archer n
Interviews are sooooo annoying
It's his shoot and his money so he can pretty much do what he wants.
Its pretty simple really, if you don't want to be bothered by the owner of the company that's the major sponsor of the shoot with a microphone in his hand just don't shoot the Lancaster Classic, its just part of the shoot.
Barebow archers!!! nice
.... that's when you graduate from training wheels..( compound )
Okay, I've read through a lot of these comments and can't believe the number of folks taking issue with the style of bows that are being used.
I have no affiliation with Lancaster Archery. I just started archery again, after about a 30 year away from the sport. I just bought a 35# Samick Sage and one for my daughter from a mom and pop shop that is barely keeping the doors open.
In the last month, in my new found interest in the sport, I have researched and found Lancaster Archery to be one of, if not, the Largest retailer in the archery merchandising universe. That being said, don't you think Lancaster Archery knows a thing or two or three or four or...about the classification of bows for archery competitions, of course they do; in one way or anothet, they are one of American archery's most influential enterprises. So, a bunch of rank amateurs and neophytes are questioning one of America's leading authorities on the issue of whether or not these professionals were really using a 'barebow', and the big point of contention is the fact that their bows somehow violated the traditional sensibilities by the use of a stabilizer.
C'mon, Lancaster Archery knows the bounds of decency so as to not offend the general archery centered public's notion of proper bow nomlnclature. For those taking exception to the use of "barebow" in this competition, then don't watch NASCAR or for that matter, super-modified or late-model stock car racing because the cars are not even close to being 'stock'.
When you become a leading authority in archery and have some of the world's best archers in your employ and when you have a top tier archery tournament series then you can call your tournament competition whatever you want; then you can kiss-off some of the sponsorship money from euipment vendors that manufacture and sell neat items like stabilizers and for the real purists, kiss-off vendor sponsorship money and retail revenue from items like sights, releases, rests, aluminum and composite risers and limbs and any arrow not comprised of a wooden shaft.
Most are questioning the the stabilizer and some are questioning the inorganic structure of the bows and some are questioning the distance and the fact that it is indoors. The fact is, the competitors are all under the same rules, are tops at their game and these rules are well established under the purvue of leading archery experts.
The same folks bitching about the stabilizers, the bow construction and the distance are the same folks that demean the compound bow community;when watching a compound competition, these are the same folks that state, "anybody can shoot (accurately) a compound. Well, if it is that easy, then strap it on and take your game to the tournament circuit, where it is a matter of centimeters and often millimeters between moving on, let alone winning even a club meet.
Bottom line, quit the complaining (I was going to say, "bitching") and enjoy the expertise demonstrated by these archers on a LEVEL playing field. All technology goes through and evolutionary life cycle. In the early era of motor sport racing, a race vehicle required two occupants, one to drive the vehicle and one to operate a pump to pressurize the fuel tank. Equipment changes. When Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt started racing in NASCAR, the vehicles were actually a bone stock frame and body, the same as you would buy from a dealer; they had modified built engines and suspensions and safety items like rollbars, fuel tanks and brakes; they didn't even have power assisted steering, next to no aero package and were essentially beefed up, more powerful Sunday drivers(the vehicles, not the occupant). By the end of their careers, their vehicles were purpose built racecars, where not one piece of equipment could be found on a production vehicle. But yet they are still referred to as, "stock cars". That is because they look much more like a stock production vehicle than a state-of-the-art formula 1 car.
When taking a break from the 'chicken or the egg argument, if you as
'purist' want to see a 'real barebow competition, I'm sure you can find one and when you do, just crank up your old Model A and go for it, just leave early, because at a speed of 45 mph, it is going to take you a while to get there. But then again, that shouldn't bother a 'purist' living in the free and easy good old days, when men were men and the life expectancy was 45 and a leading cause of death was an infected tooth or worse yet, child birth.
I like his talking it up. Gives us info on what they're shooting and something about them.
I have a question for the experts here. Due to nerve damage in my ring finger, I have been drawing with one over and one under. I want to switch to a crawl/gap hybrid aiming system. How would using two under affect tiller and arrow flight?
wow good shooting this inspires me ah lot thank you :D
This would look more professional if the announcer didn't have to wander round at the end of each round asking how much the archers had won. Just did not look professional.
Actually, his questions lets us to known the gear they are using, which is very interesting for people not familiar with barebow equipment as me, so I appreciate the talks.
Parabén Lancaster!! Excelente competição!
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Love these finals! JD3 all the way!
I just wish they would bring up that the shooters are not using clickers.
No for real - that lady drove me nuts. We get it - no clickers. Gees.
Great shooting though! Thanks for the video
Grizzly Jim would mop the floor with these guys! 😁
Lancaster Classic is open for anybody to sign up. You can sponsor Jim, so we can see how will he do in competition environment. 😜
Very good video.
>barebow
>the bow isn't bare
wat
I notice their anchoring points are very different compared to other barebow archers seen in videos by World Archery. I am a novice barebow archer and i use a similar anchor point (mouth to cheekbone) as seen in this video.
But I also know excellent barebow archers who pull their arrows right to the eye and leave a significant gap between the arrow and their fingers. Can someone enlighten me on the pro and cons about the two different techniques?
Those "barebows" with stabilizers sure look funny.
When a older Gent shows up with an old school hat and regular street clothes ,,, Watch out ! That guy lives the old school trad bow life .
that was an interesting match. I have a 32" for my second bow I use for barebow and form practice. Might be a good idea to introduce this category in my area.
What is the distance in these competitions?
How far away is the target?? No one ever mentions it
18 meters......aka 19.6 yards
Give us more barebow
Looks like a fun competition..... Minus the guy talking too much!
The guy talking is the guy responsible for this shoot. If it wasn't for him there'd be no Classic. So imho he can chat with the shooters if he want's to and I'm betting none of them would complain.
Ironic that all the adverts at the start of a barebow video are for compund bow stuff, which barebow shooters are not the least interested in.
Great shots, but soooo much odd technique.
And I thought barebow didnt allow a front stabilizer or plunger?
I don't think they're following World Archery / FITA -rules. If you shoot barebow by WA / FITA -rules, you may use a weight (a small cylindrical attachment to the riser just below the handle, sticks out a few inches from the riser and usually weighs anywhere from half a pound to two pounds) but you are indeed not allowed to use front stabilizers, not even the short ones used in this video.
Plungers on the other hand are allowed in barebow according to WA / FITA.
As for the technique - I agree with you. Two things in particular that I noticed about some of these archers is that they struggle a lot with keeping a consistent draw length - it is the biggest challenge that barebow archers have to deal with, but if you're inconsistent it's going to cost you a lot of points - and issues with the release. A smooth release is caused by a combination of strong back tension and relaxed finger muscles, and this is key to consistency - without it, your arrows will go off to the side. That's why the first guy, D Martin, lost - his release caused his arrows to hit all over the face of the target, and his inconsistent draw length caused several of his arrows to go low.
We use a hybrid of NFAA rules, which allow stabilizer, plunger and clicker-clacker
What draw weight are the bows in the video?
If stablizers are allowed it seems odd that more people didn't use them. I'm a barebow archer and I'd want any advantage I could get. That being said, I don't actually own any stabilizers or clicker-clackers... because I shoot barebow. This isn't really barebow it's more recurve without a sight
big difference between gillo, hoyt, w&w and so on in barebow... gillo is a very good riser for barebow or recurve olympic style in a good hand
What are the draw weights of their bows?
They vary, but average is between 30 and 40 pounds.
I was wondering that too because it sure looks like they're straining quite a bit.
@gblan 30/40lbs isn't bad at first, like 10 shots are easy, but those guys have probably done like 50 shots before this video was shot
That was fun!
How is it "bare bow" if you have an arrow rest and a counter weight? That's more like semi barebow, isn't it?
Bare bow? What is that weight hanging off the front.
What arrows do they use? What measures What brands
How far away are the targets what is the distance
Are they shooting at 20 yards like they would with modern recurve and compound indoors? it looks a little short.
They are shooting 20 yards
I thought Barebow had to pass through a 12.2cm inspection ring? These guys are shooting with stabilizing weights that extend far beyond what would pass through a 12.2cm inspection ring.
This video is from 2017.....The rules changed in 2018 to the 12.2 cm ring.
@@LancasterArcherySupply
Ahhhh Okay, Was a bit confused. Did not know they were once allowed.
So based on the current rules the 12.2 cm ring is used regardless of the bow, from a take down to a primitive style bow, shooting off the shelf? All are legal so long as they pass through the ring?
best class
Subjective...
what is the distance they're shooting from?
It would be nice to see barebow being realy barebow, no weights, no stabilizers... Just good, old, traditional bow...
need to get winners a rest instead of running right into a fresh competitor
bjjguns That's part of our format. In other tournaments, those lower ranked archers wouldn't have a shot at the title. In ours, they do, but they have to shoot their way up to do so....
What if a great archer loses to lesser skilled one due to fatigue just because the lesser skilled archer comes in fresh?
In order for that to happen, the "lesser" archer would have qualified higher than the "great" archer. We have a qualification round to rank the archers, and it's the lower ranked archers who have to shoot their way up to the top spot. And so if the "lesser" archer qualifies higher than the "great" archer, then is the "lesser" archer really a "lesser" archer?
What distance are the targets at ?
It's called "barebow", how is it that the stabilizers are permitted? Different rules?
Old rules allows a short stablizer and now everything must fits the 12.2cm ring. There's even a lot of changes regarding to the soft connection between the weight and the riser. Years ago you can't even mount a weight with a rubber dampener (only hard connection allowed).
Is there a Compound Barebow division?
Distance ?
Lord Varys, How you shoot!
is this 18m?
Yes
@@LancasterArcherySupply whats the longest distance for this indoor target with barebow?
I noticed they all shot with tabs. Is that a requirement or preference?
Tabs let you anchor closer to your face. Also makes it more consistent when you anchor in between gaps in your teeth.
I shoot barebow and I would love to take part in a competition like this.
love any kind of archery but I disagree with this being bare bow they have stablizers and rest try all wood bow completely bare!
paul davidson there is a division for that it’s called long bow
all shoot extremely well first couple sets off. What is disappointing is the fact the last one will always upset his opponent, because he is relatively fresh. Even the women announcer admitted that fact.
Why does the guy In the thumbnail look like the host from “Future Weapons”? Lmao
hi Lancaster team :) is it possible for a french archer to participate to the lancaster classic ?
Absolutely! We had several European archers compete this year. In fact, both our Men's Open and Women's Open champions this year were from Europe......both from Denmark, specifically. So come on over and shoot with us!
What kind of range are they shooting?
18 meters....19.6 yards
In the last arrow!
I didn't think stabilizers were allowed?
FPChris This is from 2017.....they aren’t allowed anymore.
@@LancasterArcherySupply oh ok. thanks!
i can think of no time clay pigeon shooting or air rifle field target that anyone would dare interrupt competitors whilst in competition you don't see it on the Olympics it just isn't the done thing bad sportsmanship why what the fk
Looks like they are shooting instinctive, now string walking that I can see
Whats the distance???
18 meters
how many metres is this?
Xander Vis 18m
i thought barebow was without stabilizers?? literally just the bow, no?
Different organizations allow different gear. We use a hybrid of NFAA rules, which allow short stabilizers.
i prefer true barebow, no stabilizers
Well, how big of a difference do you think the stabilizers would make? They could probably shoot nearly as well without stabilizers. Why don't they just shoot a Samick Sage and the best man wins.
whats the distance to the target???
I was wondering that as well. it looks like 20 to 30 yards
more 20 yards than 30...???
Axel Bussmeyer 18 meters
Greta to see footage of Archery..any type..(or mixed type..)..However,a 'compare' talking during a ,match?!..WTF?..Imagine asking David Beckham..'so,...David..what type of boots are you wearing '?..Or Ali..tell me..who supplies your gloves?..;-0)
i never understood why guys gunbarreled arrows shooting instinctive..its not,,its aiming,,with the arrow the same u would a pin..just shoot a pin..1 finger up and 2 underneathe knock and u see the scores blowup..i shot years ago with jimplome if im spelling it rite..he owned cascade archery at one point i believe and in 300 round on a blue face single spot watched him shoot 296 with a nail for a rest and true instictive shooting..no gun barreling..the most amazing thing ive seen in archery in 30 yrs of being a shooter
Rambo would win.
i dont know who thought it was a good idea to have that guy with microphone its kinda frustrating watching and if your playing it cant be good for your focus
It's usually called string walking, oh well .....
omg how is this fair hahaah Bobby had t go all these rounds and this guy gets on lst round and wins:S? thats just strange.
wonder if they are gap shooting or point of aim ?
Amanda Shiers They choose an anchor point and position on the string below the nock so that it is point-on at each distance. That is the essential difference between bare bow and traditional archery.
James Conger
Bare Bow Archery cant be that hard , i want to try
Francois Martins yes...yes it can
b worthington has less draw wheight than S bills, that´s why he had much more control than scott bills,
I wouldn't call it "Barebow", they have stabilizers all over the bow. I'm not downing their talent. They obviously have a lot of talent and skill. But to call it Barebow and talk about it like they are walking out with a one piece longbow and wooden arrows, it's honestly a little annoying.
Matt McNulty there is a difference between barebow and traditional. Barebow is one under a Olympic recurve set up. Traditional Recurve is well traditional. When they say barebow division it's based on Olympic recurves stripped down
a bare bow should be a stick and string . any other toys fitted to it does not make it bare .
why this called classic. when all of the contestant use modern bow
aradhea partadisastra it's the name of the competition. it is classic for Lancaster Archery Supply to put on this competition. (for 14 years)
How far away are they shooting?
Seths_ma 18m
Scott looks like a bald headed version of Ben Affleck
Can we at least lose the nose tape during the interview?
They're shooting Apache!
That’s not a barebow if you are using a stabilizers, and you can’t compare Olympic archery to this so called barebow archery because Olympic archers shoots up to 70 yards. Try using a barebow outdoors and see how hard it is to hit a 10. Don’t divide the archery community by saying oh they don’t sights or stabilization device BS, and how can you focus when this guy keeps blabbering around...
Give them a break! The fact is archery is common to all human civilizations. If you want to nitpick than maybe you should get back on your PlayStation and be a legend in your own mind. The criticism you level should be at yourself. Archery is humbling and truly is a discovery of yourself.
Could do without the announcers talking over Rob introducing the competitors! Great fun to watch!
This is not like the barebow achery that my mother and father shoot with a standard long bow , real fletched arrows.
We as children also shoot from the age of five up.
I stopped shooting because of bone problems and can say that a real acher does not need a clicker, when the arrow tip is resting on your bow hand , you are at full draw.
I think that there are few now who could string walk or kiss sight.
None tge less its good to see achery still finds as many archers asvthrre are in the eorld today, its a really good sport where you dont get riots or idiot spectators, maybe because they could quickly become the target!!!!!!!
says BAREbow, has all sorts of stuff joint to the bow....
Yeah sure, but Byron Ferguson was much more accurate that these guys with just his longbow.
I though bare bow was a wooden bow with nothing on it... look at those goofy stabilizers!
ChrisDSX there is a difference between barebow recurve and traditional recurve. If someone shoots in a Asa tournament they would shoot barebow recurve. So they shoot bows like that. Traditional Recurve is completely bare, no rest or stabilizers.
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Misleading title/competition, this is not barebow lol. Remove the stablizer and now it's true traditional archery.
Back when instinctive shooting was normal we would make fun of shooters who aimed down the shaft like these guys.
Bare bow my ass
I shoot similar Scores without any technical helps.
Congratulations