Battlefield Analysis: Reviewing the 2042 Hourglass Map Rework
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ส.ค. 2023
- In this episode of Battlefield Analysis, I examine the Hourglass map rework in Battlefield 2042. This is the map which fundamentally needed it most. Did the team at DICE succeed? Find out inside!
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Best BF channel around. Map analyses are so well done.
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Makes my day. Thanks so much!
I'm baffled at how your channel doesn't have any more subscribers. Nowhere else you get analyzes this well done on both maps and Battlefield gameplay elements. You put into words on why something works and doesn't work, and in the latter case on how they can easily improve it point by point. I just really hope DICE watches your incredibly constructive videos. Amazing job Gravity, keep up the great work!
Hopefully there can be a word of mouth bump. I get that Im not the type of Battlefield channel that makes daily or weekly news videos based on game rumors or events, but I prefer the occasional quality release over that type of content.
I really hope Dice makes a night version of this map. It would easily be the coolest looking map.
2042 version of graveyard shift? would be awesome to see some nighttime variants alongside the new map in season six
they won't
BF2042 is over dude
@@julienm5880 really? Because last time I checked they were still releasing content for it
this time its over @@middaymeds
i think Dice should do a diamond format infintry only map based on the stadium area it would interesting
Yes! I was waiting for the 2042 map reviews
I absolutely love your videos Gravity! The attention to detail is really inspiring. The suggested changes to the map for both conquest and breakthrough are very welcome in my book. Also a night version of the map would be a nice addition not to mention a plus 1 to the map rotation. Let’s make it happen Dice!!
DICE please hire Gravity as a map advisor for next BF title
Would you ever consider doing a deep dive on the movement mechanics in BF games and how they impact map design?
Zavod from BF4 and Reclaimed in 2042 play very differently - and a huge part of it is the difference in mantle height, grapple hooks, steerable parachutes.
Would be curious to hear your thoughts on things like movement systems between BF games
100% this is a topic I am looking to cover in a future video. Movement design and map design are fundamentally linked. The issue is deciding what games to cover and how in-depth, and long, a video like that needs to be.
@@GravityBFTV I wonder if one option is doing it by looking at some of the maps that exist in multiple games where movement differs
Wake island, Karkand, etc. Though that may be too simplistic.
But it’s absolutely a topic I think about a ton - it really rubbed me the wrong way when the BF dev was tweeting “the sprint speeds are basically the same” when wondering why 2042 was being panned as too fast.
And it felt so silly.
No one was talking about sprint speed - we meant the grapple, steerable, parachutes, and wingsuit ON TOP of the sprint.
Heck, even just compare the BF2 grapple (slowly climb up) against the 2042 grapple.
One provides the option of verticality, with a tradeoff of hugely vulnerable climb times.
The other gives you the option of unleashing oppressive verticality for no real downside.
Even the steerable parachutes alone fundamentally change the impact of tall buildings.
Older games had jerky parachutes that didn’t let you choose your exact landing spot - so yeeting yourself off a building wasn’t an instant drop on someone and easy kill.
It was a huge risk.
Now? Skyscrapers on orbital and Kaleidoscope become these massive objects that allow you to flank and ambush people and vehicles all over the map
Your analysis of these sorts of topics would be fantastic - I already link to you all the time when people discuss BF.
@@TheOtherOtherAccount I really appreciate you giving me the shoutouts when you can! Any little bit helps.
You actually just brought up multiple topics which each warrant their own conversation. With regard to simply "getting from point A to point B on a map" factors like map size, scale, vehicle speed, or sprint speed are important. However, I do not have the capability, nor the technical know-how to dig into game files and accurately measure each. I guess what I am saying is, if i cover this topic, it would be very speculative/subjective based on my understanding and experience of each game. At the end of the day, this might be something I devote a few minutes to in a full review of each game, because it relates more to the experience of that game in particular, rather than a comparison of "this or that" is better for gameplay.
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Maybe it could be a video just talking about movement systems available in each game, and the major exploits of each?
Just showing the evolution of the grapples, the parachutes, sprinting (and tac sprint), ziplines, etc
@@TheOtherOtherAccount That is a much more practical and doable video :)
Considering that Dice REALLY tried to make it clear, that they pretty much maxed out the asset limit on all reworks, what things do you think they should remove to add the cover you suggested?
Assuming that DICE actually hit an asset limit on this map, there are only a handful of things which I realistically would remove for the budget. Id pull all of the new outside defenses on G1 since those are useless anyway. Id pull extraneous assets from some of the skyscraper rooftops. Id pull an entire skyscraper if possible. Id pull a crane or two from the north, and perhaps as many trees, cars, and trucks as I can from in front of the stadium, since its only visible from the air anyway. Speaking of only visible from the air, theoretically they could literally delete everything inside the stadium and leave it an empty shell. That might not be enough, but its all I could imagine repurposing.
Do they really hit asset limit or is just an excuse to being lasy?
@@GravityBFTV They already deleted most assets from inside the Stadium. Most cars and other assets on the parking lot are already low definition if my memory serves me right.
I don't think you can delete rooftops, those are used for TDM layout. G1 - maybe, but I don't think this would be enough. Maybe you can delete some building entirely, but that would just make aerial combat worse. Maybe specific ones could work, but I am no pilot to judge which ones are not needed
@@fabiovarra3698 It could be both. I don't care either way, it's a thought experiment first and foremost. Dice did say they are open to further changes to some maps, but I couldn't imagine they would be as significant as Gravity wants
excellent suggestions and point of view, i agree with every change you said
9:12 BF1 oil of empire ost.
banger after banger, grav
My least favorite thing about this map is the total lack of cover on the highways. It should have the density of the bridge on Twisted Steel but it doesn't and it ruins the flow of what would otherwise be a great flow for infantry imo
It does "feel" like a new map, I havent wanted to turn it off.
A flag looks like the old timey buildings used in BF1, but they just stuck HVAC systems on the roof.
You made me play bf2042 again even tho i disliked it a lot. This channel is so underrated!
Personally I enjoy the rework (bar the stadium’s removal, but it’ll possibly come back later so time will tell there).
It keeps the large nature of Hourglass as a vehicle map, but the additions make it also a decent map for infantry. The string of objectives from the tunnels to the highway and then city offer a fun arena for infantry combat and the linear nature of it reminds me of Suez from BF1, Panzerstorm from BFV, but especially the middle few objectives and highway parts of BF4’s Flood Zone.
It’s not the flashiest rework but it did its job in improving Hourglass
Great analysis and I patiently await your other 2042 videos
It is better but I am very disappointed because I really thought they would go all in and keep the best for last. I was hoping for them to just simple squeeze the map, bringing the stadium and building inwards. I like the underground tunnel, the atmosphere, but I miss the stadium and the top building flags. This map can be most beautiful and I saw a ton of potential. Now it lost it's unique big scale vehicle identity. I was hoping for a rework ala Breakaway with added urban elements. Maybe some indoor fighting like in Shanguai. It went from worst map 2nd or 3rd worst map. Kaleidoscope is now my least favorite. Great video once again and I hope Dice watches and listens to your content
They said in the podcast that they couldn’t put the stadium in there due to gen4 limitations (ps4, xbone) for memory and performance.
So it’s pretty official now - the cross gen nature of 2042 was quite damning
@@TheOtherOtherAccount Yeah maybe but they could have made a layout for next gen and old gen like they did with other maps. They coud have cut off open spaces and background buildings in order to gain assets. Breakaway is the best example. Great rework. Look at WZ2. ok there is no destruction and not as near as many particle or weather effects but geeze there is a lot of detail in those maps. So im not completely buying the asset explanation for next gen.
The hourglass rework isnt like breakaway where its was 1/10 to 8-9/10 but it went from 0/10 to 6.5/10, its at the point where I dont want to quit as soon as I see it come up on the loading screen
I'm wondering what's your opinion on battle bit. Personally, no matter how good the game might be, I'll never play it with Roblox graphics. Maybe on mobile, but not on pc.
Its a great game considering the development team. Its loaded with detailed mechanics and great features. But at the end of the day, its not for me. The bleed out mechanics ruin my experience, and I also cant get through the graphics barrier. Im not opposed to cartoony visuals, but this is too extreme. If the game looked like TF2, id probably play it all day.
Im curious on what your opinion is on the future of this beliefs ved franchise? Do you have hoep for BF6 or is it dead in your opinion?
I have more hope for the next game than I did for this one. There are a lot of good signs at the studio level. But I think it is going to come down to its design scope and release window. If It isnt rushed, we might have a good chance.
@@GravityBFTV When do you think it will release? Also I agree with the talent at the studio level but my concern isn't as much DICE or Ripple Effect as much as it is EA.
@@DJNefarious447 My "hope" is that its late 2025. I know there are a lot of gamers which are already disappointed by the thought of a long wait, but honestly, if you want a moderately decent release, you have to give them time. We will just have to play other games for a while.
@@GravityBFTV I was thinking somewhere in the middle with like a March or April 2025 release. Gives them 6 months longer development time than a fall release but players still get to play 6 months earlier than a late 2025 release. But I do agree with the 2025 release, I think they need to play it incredibly safe with BF6.
@@GravityBFTV Aren't you afraid they deviate even more from older battlefields to chase after cod or apex?
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TOR tank being a nuisance as per usual
unrelated, im gonna paint an m16 clone like the BF3 M16A3 : D
This game is worth of buying? I miss playing Battlefield a ton and stopped in after BF1...
it's available on EA play and gamepass , i don't recommended it if you play solo it's more fun to play it with your friends
If only they could rework desync/hit reg/network issue.
These are by far the biggest issue with this game.
I think they'd need to do a rework of the servers and stuff. Considering it was developed over COVID for a new playercount of 128, which was unprecedented for the Battlefield team, they probably developed an integrally flawed system that will really only be fixed once we get a new entry, unfortunately.
Good analysis as always, one thing that i want to say from my own experience is that everyone in the lobby im in UNANIMOUSLY hated the rework when we first get to play it
Sure, it's better than the original hourglass, but this map in my opinion, is the worst rework of the base game maps
I am almost certain i could make the case of the worst rework being Kaleidoscope. :)
@@GravityBFTV oh for real, im flip flopping between Hourglass or Kaleidoscope as being the worst maps i've ever played in any game
I refuse to believe that their rework wasnt just an attempt to keep the old identity of their map intact, as in DICE intentionally making their map garbage so that the DLC maps would shine
@@typo_3148 I actually dont think thats the case. I would argue that the original layout was so convoluted and indecisive, that they didnt know how to fix it. Ill explain in due course :)
Speaking of Suez, worst map Suez video when 😂
your content is good not gonna lie, but i think we both know battlefield 2042 is lost cause... dont waste your time..
I appreciate that. But to me, its part of the battlefield legacy, regardless of its quality. I know what its like. But thankfully I'm not bound to making content only for that game.