He said he looked at the divide between mutants and humans as like children versus parents, the old generation versus the new. But Stanley wouldn't tell Morrison he was right.
@LordBifford Not racism: the X-Men. Think about it; the original stories featured five teenagers fighting mostly adult villains. Even the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, the supposedly supervillainous teenagers, ended up rebelling against their evil adult teammates. Of the major characters, Professor X was the only good grown-up of the bunch. The others were either evil villains or bigots. I'd say Grant was onto something there.
Look guys superheroes are mdoern myths and can thus be interpreted in a variety of different ways. I imagine Lee and Kirby were influenced by racism (Civil Rights Black power, I have a dream, which was delivered months prior to X-Men's first publication), the counter culture of young against the old and general adolecence all at the same time
@227060 They were, but remember that Claremont also introduced the New Mutants. That said, I don't think all of the X-Writers really caught onto the "kids versus adults" metaphor; not even Stan himself, as he says in the video. Still, it's a pretty valid take. If you think about it, it's just an extension of the familiar argument that mutants are a metaphor for adolescence.
mr morrison for the concept of mutant town or culture: good idea it is a great dvlpt for the characterization & logic of stories : srsly read the 90's x-men or discuss about how the characters were or act with nicieza or lobdell your concepts were great but your execution was awful thus it shot the x-men franchise in the groin
@227060 New X-Men did have action and characterization going on simultaneously, though. Remember when Cyclops fought Magneto/Xorn in #150? That was more than just a fight scene: that was Cyclops taking out all of his frustrations, starting with his failed relationships and ending with Xorn's betrayal, on Magnus.
Basically he saw the mutants as kids and regular people as adults. Adults feel threatened by their children because they bring new ideas and new ways of thinking, which is what he believes mutants represents
@saidi7975 yes thank u, his run is the ONLY X-Men run ive read from start to finish and iv read random 90s, 80s, 70s and even 60s stories and felt them ALL superior. for starters they all had actual battle scenes AND characterisation. remember when Iceman had that hang up about his lack of potential after Emma Frost took over his mind and used his powers bttr than he did. THAT came up in fights, characterisation AND action simultaniously.
The accent combined with the terrible sound quality makes him REALLY hard to understand.
He said he looked at the divide between mutants and humans as like children versus parents, the old generation versus the new. But Stanley wouldn't tell Morrison he was right.
Are you still Alive bro 😕
that was hilarious and so purely Stan and Grant. Love it
@LordBifford Not racism: the X-Men. Think about it; the original stories featured five teenagers fighting mostly adult villains. Even the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, the supposedly supervillainous teenagers, ended up rebelling against their evil adult teammates. Of the major characters, Professor X was the only good grown-up of the bunch. The others were either evil villains or bigots.
I'd say Grant was onto something there.
Look guys superheroes are mdoern myths and can thus be interpreted in a variety of different ways. I imagine Lee and Kirby were influenced by racism (Civil Rights Black power, I have a dream, which was delivered months prior to X-Men's first publication), the counter culture of young against the old and general adolecence all at the same time
Love them both.
jackwearing Me too
Haha, Stan Lee is like the Dad of comics.
Dude what about jack kirby
What about alan moore
@227060 They were, but remember that Claremont also introduced the New Mutants. That said, I don't think all of the X-Writers really caught onto the "kids versus adults" metaphor; not even Stan himself, as he says in the video. Still, it's a pretty valid take. If you think about it, it's just an extension of the familiar argument that mutants are a metaphor for adolescence.
watch the whole thing, lee admits it's brilliant
@Gokitalo wait a minute weren't most of the "all new X-men" under Claremont adults?
Len Wein & Dave Cockrum created the 'New' X-men, but you are correct.
That was one strike against the second team: they weren't teenagers.
mr morrison for the concept of mutant town or culture: good idea it is a great dvlpt
for the characterization & logic of stories : srsly read the 90's x-men or discuss about how the characters were or act with nicieza or lobdell
your concepts were great but your execution was awful thus it shot the x-men franchise in the groin
@227060 New X-Men did have action and characterization going on simultaneously, though. Remember when Cyclops fought Magneto/Xorn in #150? That was more than just a fight scene: that was Cyclops taking out all of his frustrations, starting with his failed relationships and ending with Xorn's betrayal, on Magnus.
Yeah, what did he say?
Basically he saw the mutants as kids and regular people as adults. Adults feel threatened by their children because they bring new ideas and new ways of thinking, which is what he believes mutants represents
@Gokitalo yes but the fight itself wasn't as entertaining.
@docmephesto
haha, yeah
Generation Rex
@saidi7975 yes thank u, his run is the ONLY X-Men run ive read from start to finish and iv read random 90s, 80s, 70s and even 60s stories and felt them ALL superior. for starters they all had actual battle scenes AND characterisation. remember when Iceman had that hang up about his lack of potential after Emma Frost took over his mind and used his powers bttr than he did. THAT came up in fights, characterisation AND action simultaniously.