As a small tip for people starting with compression: don't constantly listen with the band solo'd. It really starts messing with your ears quick. Always switch to listening to the entire plugin and compare it to the plugin bypassed. It sounds very time-consuming, but in the end you save time on not having to redo it. You can listen more to stuff solo'd when you know what you're doing. Also: reference tracks, ESPECIALLY when doing mastering like in this video. Like how Wietze does it at the end is a good example. It's a lot of information, but changing things while listening to the other bands (in this case) as well is a good practise. I have some friends that are still a bit new to the producing thing and I see them work on a lot of stuff in solo and more often than not you make less educated decisions when working on a track in solo compared to listening to the full mix. Don't be scared to use solo to take out resonances or want to further investigate what a plugin is doing, but keep it to the entire mix. This also goes for instruments, but a bit less so in my opinion.
I've been heavily using multi band compression for the last year in my masters and it was a game changer, what I just learned from this changed the game for me even more. Your little tip on controlling the harshness just saved all my future mixes forever
Pro MB has to be one of my favorite FabFilter plugins. The UI is so simple, yet there's so many features in the plugin. The MB aspect alone is really great, but I think the real kicker of the plugin is that you can also use it as a gate. I don't know many plugins with allow you to gate only certain parts of the frequency range (most gate plugins affect entire frequency, and any "filtering" you see in the plugin is just a sidechain for the gate), whilst the Pro MB allows you to only gate certain range, and not the entire frequency range. The only thing to make this already-on-steroids plugin even more awesome, is if they added different compressor emulations for separate bands.. so you could have a VCA/G-Bus for one of the bands, and maybe FET/1176 on another band.
Multiband is teh tool of noobs...from 2005..everybody Suggs their mixes by adding Multiband...use a dynamic EQ instead unless you really know what you are doing.
Question: Would you use that gate as a creative effect or a mixing effect? As someone fairly new to using multi and compression I don’t see why i would need to gate only specific frequencies i would love to learn though, when do you use it?
@@tsrb8646 I don't remember if I've used it as an effect, but one thing I do very often with it is gate the kick drum, so everything below 100hz or 80hz gets gated, so it doesn't ring too long. This helps so the bass instrument can be heard better (since the lower end of kick and a bass instrument happen share same frequency range). I guess you can use regular gate too, but the way I see it only the lower frequencies need to be gated. The kick is snappy this way. Other use would be, if you're working on someone else's track (remixing?), and you don't have separate tracks for every drum instrument (and thus only have one drum track to work on, drum buss or something), here the multiband feature becomes useful. The kick gating is useful here as it's only way to only gate lowend, but you can also use the gate on cymbals or snares, so you're basically doing multiband transient shaping by determining how long you want different frequency ranges to play. One trick I do often is I drive snare drum with saturators (FF Saturn is pretty good, some drive and dynamic) , and then when it starts ringing too much (and also resonating), I cut some of the resonance with EQ that the saturator brought up, and then also gate it so it doesn't play too long.
I’m really glad Christopher came back and cured Wickus, cuz he’s doing great now. He grew his hair out, and he’s making some AWESOME mixing/mastering videos.
@@benking8610 on the pro mb click the "free" option - it sets a band that is the sidechain. So if u set 1 band at 10k and up, and the "free" band at 150hz and below, then the high end band is being sidechained by the low end band.
I love this video. And it changed everything in my mastering journey. After seeing this video along with learning how to use soft clippers, my friends say I have professional studio quality sound. This one is special for me. Thanks.
Brilliant! Love this channel. There's only a small handful I watch and this one has made its way to the top. Great the way you explain things, informative and funny. Always modest too even though you are obviously very knowledgeable. :)
My FF MB-Pro always intimidated me. I never knew if multi-band compression was appropriate or not, or where to put the crossover filters. Now I'm going to try it in heavy rotation. Like you say, with "feeling".
Look I refuse to use multi band compression. If I’m dealing with more than one band at the same time. I will put them in different studio rooms. Example: marching band in studio room A. Hip Hop band in studio room B. and give the death metal band all the crappy equipment in studio room C. The hell if I’m going to share a single compressor between 3 bands at the same time. I don’t care what frequencies they are playing :-)
The main problem with multiband comps is that they generate phase incoherences, which can be heard btw on your high-mids and highs btw. That's the reason why M. Brauer and many other mixers are using different compressors on different type of instruments. Multiband are great on monophonic sources - vocals, bass -, can be used even on guitars, but when mix well, not so great. When mastering, it is being used as a corrective tool.
The pro MB has a linear phase mode also. You will never hear phase coherence above 3k. Thats the point when you play a single sine from one speaker that seems to come from different directions if you turn your head a little bit.
Again you’ve helped me out by explaining that little bit more than other videos on YT said this before but incase u didn’t see my comment . you are the only channel I know that cares about us lot enough to tell the truth and give your honest opinion .... Your honesty is worth more than gold to me . You have helped me so many times with so many things I just couldn’t find an answer for elsewhere because other channels were too brief or just plain dishonest because they let free stuff and sponsors influence their opinion . What you do is perfect , helpful , honest and you share real knowledge not just a silly brief description we could have read off the products box like other channels and try to call it a tutorial Your videos are no.1 by a mile and I’m a professional dj since 1999 I’ve played all the major events in the past , believe me I’m not easy to please . Keep doing what you do bro ... I can’t thank you enough 💪
I really like your methods of multi-band compression. Compression , generally speaking for me anyway, has always alluded my own mixes , so that in the end , my mixes would inevitably get all muddy and "lifeless ". My audio mixing instructor strongly recommends Fab Filter P20 C2 by the way as well ! I'm a newer fan of yours and really enjoy your approaches when "critiquing" new methods , etc ! Snake oil is a red flag to me now!!! Keep up the great work ! :) Isaac in Maine USA
Thanks Isaac. Do you know what it was that would make your mixes muddy and "lifeless" when using multiband compression previously? I'm curious so that I can avoid the same happening to me! Haha. I'm just starting out here.
@@miscellaneous1276 It actually does. Depending on the material you're working on you could be working even with as little as just 1 band. There's no need to affect the whole frequency spectrum, sometimes you just want to tame one specific area without affecting the rest of the spectrum. You're clearly not very experienced. A mixing engineer uses these tools for a specific purpose/need not just because "it's a multiband compressor, there's no point in using it if you're going to use less than 5 bands" that's so idiotic from an engineering point of view.
Thanks in advance for this video! I'm gonna watch it now first, because I'm really not educated that well regarding compression. Never really understood the purpose or even the real effect of that on my music, whenever I experimented a litte bit with it.
In my opinion, your technique is spot-on. It’s way too easy to destroy things with mb compression if not used used correctly. Of course, there are no rules and you never know what might sound like genius creativity... to someone. Best wishes - Tim✌️❤️
Bedankt Wytse voor de goede uitleg, ik heb deze plug-in ook. Ik wist nooit goed wanneer je nou beter een normale compressor of een multiband compressor moest gebruiken. 😎👍👊✌️
I feel strongly about having 5 (or 6) bands too! I always felt so limited by 4. I think of full spectrum music as having 5 or 6 distinct frequency range "personalities."
It can become a useful tool if you are creative with it. I have used a multiband as a de-esser on vocal tracks following a normal compressor, to reduce ride cymbal in a floor tom channel, and even to remove feedback from a live stage recording. I am sure I will find other uses for it eventually.
Overlapping bands making 'bumps' - This is modelling of a Butterworth crossover which is good for guitar EQ adn some speaker crossovers however most speakers and EQs use Linkwitz-Reilly corssovers and frankly, if software makes amplitude bumps at different frequencies then its not worth using!
Very serious and potentially destructive technique, even with a linear phase multi band (Waves linear phase multi band compressor or Toneboosters multi band dynamic EQ) which I use for really bad mixes! Sparingly used, and only centring on problem bands is really the key here... remember, you can only go so-far "You can polish a turd, but...".
I tried to get what do with MultiBand compression so I went to youtube to explore things about MultiBand compression searching video about MultiBand Compression finally found that guy talking about MultiBand compression. So children I hope you learned this lesson. About MultiBand compression
bro, my low frequencies are out of control... I play my mixes in the car and they are crazy loud... in the studio it sounds fine, sounds just like my references, but then I take it to the car, and they are muddy, unclear... while the reference is perfect.
So in my opinion the ratios are much too high, its more a Multiband limitation this way. The compression attack for the mid and high mids is too short if you ask me. It kills all the nice and clean transients. Make sure to adjust the attack just in a way your transients keep nice in shape.
It's not that this sounded bad, but with those parameters it's more like - multiband limiting really. Which makes sense with EDM and rock music and such, but I personally wouldn't wanna be throwing these settings on a quiet track with a lot of dynamics... I like your videos man - keept it up :)
I think he's got shares in Fabfilter:). I also think maybe i should get it myself also... Even on my pc-speakers it all makes sence. And it looks so easy...
Yea, verry important to not overuse it. It can easyely make it worse if you dont look out for it. Sometimes getting controll over certain frequecies that way also changes the feel of it to much. Keeping the feel in the song should be the main goal, so dont use it if it compromises that to much, if that's the case look for diffrent solutions / combinations to fix it would be my advice. In addition i see myself using multiband especially for sidechaining lowend issues that dont glue well enough but are to important to lower down in gain. Verry handy for that as well.
Wytse, waarom koop je geen leuke crossover? Outputs gaan naar compressors, en met die eq modules van die modulaire tafel kun je sidechain filers maken. Route de outputs terug op de tafel om het geheel weer bij elkaar te krijgen. Je zou ook de outputs van de crossover direct in de tafel kunnen prikken, dan kun je de compressoren inserten op het gewenste kanaal. De truuc in dit hele verhaal is om een beetje goede kabels te gebruiken met goede connectoren.
Many problems dear friend. 1. Use 3db visual for mastering. You're affecting the mix too much. There is a mix problem if you do so much. 2. Lowering the attack to so small numbers you get too much distortion. Not a good idea. 3. Check oversampling what it gives soundwise. Maybe it's better without oversampling. 4. check if linear mode is maybe better than the "phaser" you're using. Hear the phase problems created on M/S (by just hearing the Sides) to hear how much it's affecting it.
I also love the Waves F6, which they call a "dynamic EQ", but it functions just like the Fabfilter. It's just way cheaper but only has 6 bands plus HPF and LPF.
Dynamic EQs and multiband compressors look a lot alike, but aren't the same from a technical standpoint. A MBC splits the signal into frequency bands, then runs each of these through a compressor and finally mixes them back together. A DEQ put's the input through an EQ, but the parameters of the EQ are automated using envelopes of filtered versions of the input signal as controls. For a lot of applications you can get similar results with either, but I can think of weird uses that are only possible with one of them (though these also tend to involve building my own versions og DEQs and MBCs in Reaktor or with the flexible routing in REAPER to get past limitations of the available VSTs).
Before I had any multi band compressors with a side chain, I would literally “make my own” multiband compressor with multiple standard compressors linked to corresponding filters to create the “bands”. I feel like multiband sidechain compression isn’t used to its full capability.
nice, now i see why people use this multiband compression. I have definitely ran into the first issue you showed befor with the lows squashing the rest of the track as well as had vocals where i wanted highs and high mids yet it was sharp so if i had used this compression method instead i could have a tamer version of those highs coming through in a way that pierces the ears a bit less.
@@SilloniusAeldarian There are two main differences: 1) The multiband-compressor does a drastic phase shift that stays the same all the time, while dynamic EQ makes the phase shift depending on how the band is set. 2) The multiband-compressor is better used for compressing wide areas. Dynamic EQ works well for both wide and narrow areas, but it's better for narrow ones, like non-constant resonances or deessing.
@@heavymetalmixer91 thank you! And 1 more, could u give some example on when we choose what between those 2 on some point of mixing? I hope u understand my english
@@SilloniusAeldarian I tend to use them just after the fader mix is done, because controlling the low-end on some tracks (multiband compressor) or resonances (dynamic EQ) make the mix harder if dont treated quick. Sometimes I also the dynamic-Q as deesser after compressing vocals. Btw, try to not use any of them in the mixbus unless you will do subtle moves, they can quickly ruin your mix, mostly the multiband compressor.
I think it is a good idea to have 3-4 buses before the master in your project to separate instruments of different spectrum range aka sub bus, vocals and synths bus, cymbals and other high stuff bus, or some other bus, depending on music style and treat them proper in terms of compression and EQing and so on...
why do you put your ratio so high? isnt it the db amount the signal gets compressed after hitting the threshold? so that would result in a pretty drastic compression or am i misunderstanding that
This is awesome. From your elaborate description on how the filters must look I think I could do that with reaper proprietary Java Script Plugins. I even think Kenny has made a video about this, splitting a track into bass, mid and treble via routing and then compressing them seperately and putting them back together. But when I watched it the first time the info was lost on me I guess.
Yup, the JS n-band splitters and joiners do that job, though the rs-met crossover vst is the better splitter and free (all the freebie vsts from rs-met are useful). Then you can just use any compressor you want on each band (or any plugin, why not try adding reverb only to the high frequencies or setting different delays for two mid-bands).
What I find interesting is that this is part of a mixing process rather than mastering. I always thought such significant processing on the 2buss would be a mastering engineers job. I understand that mastering engineers should really be doing minor changes, but it’s just interesting that fairly bold processing is going on the 2buss. I always thought that the less processing the better in this area, unless the mix is pretty poor.
Multiband depression
Multiband expression
Multi-Band-Profession
Multi-band intention
Multi-band election
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As a small tip for people starting with compression: don't constantly listen with the band solo'd. It really starts messing with your ears quick. Always switch to listening to the entire plugin and compare it to the plugin bypassed. It sounds very time-consuming, but in the end you save time on not having to redo it. You can listen more to stuff solo'd when you know what you're doing. Also: reference tracks, ESPECIALLY when doing mastering like in this video. Like how Wietze does it at the end is a good example. It's a lot of information, but changing things while listening to the other bands (in this case) as well is a good practise.
I have some friends that are still a bit new to the producing thing and I see them work on a lot of stuff in solo and more often than not you make less educated decisions when working on a track in solo compared to listening to the full mix.
Don't be scared to use solo to take out resonances or want to further investigate what a plugin is doing, but keep it to the entire mix. This also goes for instruments, but a bit less so in my opinion.
I've been heavily using multi band compression for the last year in my masters and it was a game changer, what I just learned from this changed the game for me even more. Your little tip on controlling the harshness just saved all my future mixes forever
"Mültibönd" :D
Great. Now I can‘t unhear it
Ahahahaha
I use multiband compression on my salad.
Ohh.. Im doing it wrong.... I put salad on and in my multi band........ Damn
Tossed?
@@InfiniteSunLuciferDLarynx Not tossed....
Shaken, and not stirred.
@@Rhythmattica Ouch! That would be painful!
Hey man, can you make a tutorial on that? Thank you!
Pro MB has to be one of my favorite FabFilter plugins. The UI is so simple, yet there's so many features in the plugin. The MB aspect alone is really great, but I think the real kicker of the plugin is that you can also use it as a gate. I don't know many plugins with allow you to gate only certain parts of the frequency range (most gate plugins affect entire frequency, and any "filtering" you see in the plugin is just a sidechain for the gate), whilst the Pro MB allows you to only gate certain range, and not the entire frequency range.
The only thing to make this already-on-steroids plugin even more awesome, is if they added different compressor emulations for separate bands.. so you could have a VCA/G-Bus for one of the bands, and maybe FET/1176 on another band.
Multiband is teh tool of noobs...from 2005..everybody Suggs their mixes by adding Multiband...use a dynamic EQ instead unless you really know what you are doing.
Question:
Would you use that gate as a creative effect or a mixing effect? As someone fairly new to using multi and compression I don’t see why i would need to gate only specific frequencies i would love to learn though, when do you use it?
@@tsrb8646 I don't remember if I've used it as an effect, but one thing I do very often with it is gate the kick drum, so everything below 100hz or 80hz gets gated, so it doesn't ring too long. This helps so the bass instrument can be heard better (since the lower end of kick and a bass instrument happen share same frequency range). I guess you can use regular gate too, but the way I see it only the lower frequencies need to be gated. The kick is snappy this way.
Other use would be, if you're working on someone else's track (remixing?), and you don't have separate tracks for every drum instrument (and thus only have one drum track to work on, drum buss or something), here the multiband feature becomes useful. The kick gating is useful here as it's only way to only gate lowend, but you can also use the gate on cymbals or snares, so you're basically doing multiband transient shaping by determining how long you want different frequency ranges to play.
One trick I do often is I drive snare drum with saturators (FF Saturn is pretty good, some drive and dynamic) , and then when it starts ringing too much (and also resonating), I cut some of the resonance with EQ that the saturator brought up, and then also gate it so it doesn't play too long.
@@MacReviewzOnline I know this is a late comment but LMAO no way your comment is real
Imagine each band was a pro c 2 inside it. 😮
I’m really glad Christopher came back and cured Wickus, cuz he’s doing great now. He grew his hair out, and he’s making some AWESOME mixing/mastering videos.
This video is golden. I've always used Waves C6 and I had no clue what I was doing. This clears things up big time. Thanks a lot! 👍
"this track was not mixed by me" - it sounds like a pretty great mix to me though!
It sounds amazing
You can hear the top end life he's searching for in the multiband to correct what should have been in the mix though - bit dead on saturation and air.
Sounds like they didn’t use a tube or preamp
I love creating custom de-essers with multiband compressors--one way they are useful at the track level. And for parallel compression. Fun stuff.
Great tip - you can sidechain one band to the other. If your groove is in the low end u can sidechain the high end to move with the low end.
Can you explain more how to do this on the C&? Thanks!
@@benking8610 on the pro mb click the "free" option - it sets a band that is the sidechain. So if u set 1 band at 10k and up, and the "free" band at 150hz and below, then the high end band is being sidechained by the low end band.
I love this video. And it changed everything in my mastering journey. After seeing this video along with learning how to use soft clippers, my friends say I have professional studio quality sound. This one is special for me. Thanks.
Brilliant! Love this channel. There's only a small handful I watch and this one has made its way to the top. Great the way you explain things, informative and funny. Always modest too even though you are obviously very knowledgeable. :)
Thank you for this amazingly easy explanation of the multiband compressor.
Love the work you do, keep it up.
Hahahaha @11:00 "get it under control", @11:07 the lyrics, he doesn't like your harshness control.
I could listen to this guy say Multiband Compresser all day
My FF MB-Pro always intimidated me. I never knew if multi-band compression was appropriate or not, or where to put the crossover filters. Now I'm going to try it in heavy rotation. Like you say, with "feeling".
nice video, the track has some subtle NIN vibe
Great tips in this one! Especially using the side chain filter on a compressor to keep a hard hitting bass drum from affecting the rest of the track.
awesome simple explanation, I am super intimidated by compression and this was super helpful, thank you very much!
Look I refuse to use multi band compression. If I’m dealing with more than one band at the same time. I will put them in different studio rooms. Example: marching band in studio room A. Hip Hop band in studio room B. and give the death metal band all the crappy equipment in studio room C. The hell if I’m going to share a single compressor between 3 bands at the same time. I don’t care what frequencies they are playing :-)
Let's hope you are a better sound engineer than a comedian.
MonsterBroccoli You’re right I should’ve put a drum circle in studio C
LOLOL!!!!!
this is the most helpful multiband mastering tutorial on the internet.
The main problem with multiband comps is that they generate phase incoherences, which can be heard btw on your high-mids and highs btw. That's the reason why M. Brauer and many other mixers are using different compressors on different type of instruments. Multiband are great on monophonic sources - vocals, bass -, can be used even on guitars, but when mix well, not so great. When mastering, it is being used as a corrective tool.
But the phase incoherences can sound nice sooo
spot on
He says it in the end “there is something wrong if I need to use it”
The pro MB has a linear phase mode also.
You will never hear phase coherence above 3k. Thats the point when you play a single sine from one speaker that seems to come from different directions if you turn your head a little bit.
Again you’ve helped me out by explaining that little bit more than other videos on YT
said this before but incase u didn’t see my comment .
you are the only channel I know that cares about us lot enough to tell the truth and give your honest opinion ....
Your honesty is worth more than gold to me . You have helped me so many times with so many things I just couldn’t find an answer for elsewhere because other channels were too brief or just plain dishonest because they let free stuff and sponsors influence their opinion .
What you do is perfect , helpful , honest and you share real knowledge not just a silly brief description we could have read off the products box like other channels and try to call it a tutorial
Your videos are no.1 by a mile and I’m a professional dj since 1999 I’ve played all the major events in the past , believe me I’m not easy to please .
Keep doing what you do bro ... I can’t thank you enough 💪
I really like your methods of multi-band compression. Compression , generally speaking for me anyway, has always alluded my own mixes , so that in the end , my mixes would inevitably get all muddy and "lifeless ". My audio mixing instructor strongly recommends Fab Filter P20 C2 by the way as well ! I'm a newer fan of yours and really enjoy your approaches when "critiquing" new methods , etc ! Snake oil is a red flag to me now!!! Keep up the great work ! :) Isaac in Maine USA
Thanks Isaac. Do you know what it was that would make your mixes muddy and "lifeless" when using multiband compression previously? I'm curious so that I can avoid the same happening to me! Haha. I'm just starting out here.
Really liked your ideas on first fixing the problem on individual tracks and how to trust your ears vs using specific ranges which don't always apply.
Love this Kid. Keep up the good work!
seamlessr, white sea studio and even virtual riot thats the people I TRUSTS! and You should as well.
Hoewel dit niet allemaal makkelijk is ga ik deze methode wel toepassen. Zeer nuttige video! Bedankt!
"I try to keep it simple" *uses 5 bands on compressor* 😉
Louis Jans compared to 15 yes
Its Multiband compression, It makes no Sense To use bands less than 4.
@@miscellaneous1276 It actually does. Depending on the material you're working on you could be working even with as little as just 1 band. There's no need to affect the whole frequency spectrum, sometimes you just want to tame one specific area without affecting the rest of the spectrum. You're clearly not very experienced. A mixing engineer uses these tools for a specific purpose/need not just because "it's a multiband compressor, there's no point in using it if you're going to use less than 5 bands" that's so idiotic from an engineering point of view.
@@djvar94 Yes In that way but then you probably would have 3 bands if you know what I mean.
in multiband compressor, it makes no sense to use more than 1 band.
I learned a lot from this.. Every time I watch it in fact, I learn a bit more.
Thanks in advance for this video! I'm gonna watch it now first, because I'm really not educated that well regarding compression. Never really understood the purpose or even the real effect of that on my music, whenever I experimented a litte bit with it.
Really nice way to use MB comp. Thanks for your videos, always honest and always practical!
In my opinion, your technique is spot-on. It’s way too easy to destroy things with mb compression if not used used correctly. Of course, there are no rules and you never know what might sound like genius creativity... to someone.
Best wishes - Tim✌️❤️
Best Channel for mixing and mastering and for MUSIC! Thank you!!
Thanks for the video here. This was something i was doing all day today dealing with multi-band compression on my track.
the 2 band trick in the low is gold bro!!!
Amazing bro! Thank you and shout outs from down under Australia!
Bedankt Wytse voor de goede uitleg, ik heb deze plug-in ook. Ik wist nooit goed wanneer je nou beter een normale compressor of een multiband compressor moest gebruiken. 😎👍👊✌️
I feel strongly about having 5 (or 6) bands too! I always felt so limited by 4. I think of full spectrum music as having 5 or 6 distinct frequency range "personalities."
It can become a useful tool if you are creative with it. I have used a multiband as a de-esser on vocal tracks following a normal compressor, to reduce ride cymbal in a floor tom channel, and even to remove feedback from a live stage recording. I am sure I will find other uses for it eventually.
I love your channel because it is so honest. Thank you!
Another great video! You really go to town on your compression. It gives me more confidence to turn up the juice haha! Thanks
Best and realest sound youtuber ❤❤
11:03 “Get it under control”
Music “you push me out of control”
😂
Great information, cheers! The singer really sounds like Trent Reznor at times
It did sound better when you raised the "sharpness" band, though.
“Sharpness” in the right balance is more of a “presence”
This is exactly what I needed!! Thank you so much for sharing!
Overlapping bands making 'bumps' - This is modelling of a Butterworth crossover which is good for guitar EQ adn some speaker crossovers however most speakers and EQs use Linkwitz-Reilly corssovers and frankly, if software makes amplitude bumps at different frequencies then its not worth using!
Like your voice processing, Full & Smooth
Fantastic instructional video. First time I reality understand wat is going on in MBC. Thanks a lot, brilliant!!!
help, I can't stop watching your videos
thanks, wytse! always cool to see your thought process
Love your videos man👍 You're always right on point!!
Favourite Moment at 11:04. When you say to get it under control and the Music replies "Touch me out of control"
i love your video so much man i love how youre so yourself thats whats so special and filled with information wow
God I learn so much from your videos! Please do some vocal mixing!
Very serious and potentially destructive technique, even with a linear phase multi band (Waves linear phase multi band compressor or Toneboosters multi band dynamic EQ) which I use for really bad mixes! Sparingly used, and only centring on problem bands is really the key here... remember, you can only go so-far "You can polish a turd, but...".
I tried to get what do with MultiBand compression so I went to youtube to explore things about MultiBand compression searching video about MultiBand Compression finally found that guy talking about MultiBand compression.
So children I hope you learned this lesson. About MultiBand compression
bro, my low frequencies are out of control... I play my mixes in the car and they are crazy loud... in the studio it sounds fine, sounds just like my references, but then I take it to the car, and they are muddy, unclear... while the reference is perfect.
So in my opinion the ratios are much too high, its more a Multiband limitation this way. The compression attack for the mid and high mids is too short if you ask me. It kills all the nice and clean transients. Make sure to adjust the attack just in a way your transients keep nice in shape.
i love your videos so much dude respect from Lithuania
It's not that this sounded bad, but with those parameters it's more like - multiband limiting really. Which makes sense with EDM and rock music and such, but I personally wouldn't wanna be throwing these settings on a quiet track with a lot of dynamics... I like your videos man - keept it up :)
I think he's got shares in Fabfilter:). I also think maybe i should get it myself also... Even on my pc-speakers it all makes sence. And it looks so easy...
No they are just really good plugins
They’re expensive but amazingly fun to use, and full featured.
Yea, verry important to not overuse it. It can easyely make it worse if you dont look out for it. Sometimes getting controll over certain frequecies that way also changes the feel of it to much. Keeping the feel in the song should be the main goal, so dont use it if it compromises that to much, if that's the case look for diffrent solutions / combinations to fix it would be my advice. In addition i see myself using multiband especially for sidechaining lowend issues that dont glue well enough but are to important to lower down in gain. Verry handy for that as well.
I love the song damn, and thanks for your help
Liked the side chain tip on the the Pro C! Thanks:)
Wytse you're a legend bro!
Awesome video as usual
Wytse, waarom koop je geen leuke crossover? Outputs gaan naar compressors, en met die eq modules van die modulaire tafel kun je sidechain filers maken. Route de outputs terug op de tafel om het geheel weer bij elkaar te krijgen.
Je zou ook de outputs van de crossover direct in de tafel kunnen prikken, dan kun je de compressoren inserten op het gewenste kanaal.
De truuc in dit hele verhaal is om een beetje goede kabels te gebruiken met goede connectoren.
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Many problems dear friend.
1. Use 3db visual for mastering. You're affecting the mix too much. There is a mix problem if you do so much.
2. Lowering the attack to so small numbers you get too much distortion. Not a good idea.
3. Check oversampling what it gives soundwise. Maybe it's better without oversampling.
4. check if linear mode is maybe better than the "phaser" you're using. Hear the phase problems created on M/S (by just hearing the Sides) to hear how much it's affecting it.
This has been a *very* informative video. Thank you.
I also love the Waves F6, which they call a "dynamic EQ", but it functions just like the Fabfilter. It's just way cheaper but only has 6 bands plus HPF and LPF.
Dynamic EQs and multiband compressors look a lot alike, but aren't the same from a technical standpoint. A MBC splits the signal into frequency bands, then runs each of these through a compressor and finally mixes them back together. A DEQ put's the input through an EQ, but the parameters of the EQ are automated using envelopes of filtered versions of the input signal as controls. For a lot of applications you can get similar results with either, but I can think of weird uses that are only possible with one of them (though these also tend to involve building my own versions og DEQs and MBCs in Reaktor or with the flexible routing in REAPER to get past limitations of the available VSTs).
If you want an awesome analog multiband comp, the drawmer 1973 is my favorite of all time. Check it out
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Before I had any multi band compressors with a side chain, I would literally “make my own” multiband compressor with multiple standard compressors linked to corresponding filters to create the “bands”.
I feel like multiband sidechain compression isn’t used to its full capability.
Agree. I do this on the sidechain send. Compress the low freq when the kick hits. Works great when combined with a volume shaper.
nice, now i see why people use this multiband compression. I have definitely ran into the first issue you showed befor with the lows squashing the rest of the track as well as had vocals where i wanted highs and high mids yet it was sharp so if i had used this compression method instead i could have a tamer version of those highs coming through in a way that pierces the ears a bit less.
Staying consistent. good vid.
I preffer dynamic EQ but the idea behind both is the same: What frequency range is going nuts and being annoying the others?
Can you explain the diference between those 2 ?
@@SilloniusAeldarian There are two main differences:
1) The multiband-compressor does a drastic phase shift that stays the same all the time, while dynamic EQ makes the phase shift depending on how the band is set.
2) The multiband-compressor is better used for compressing wide areas. Dynamic EQ works well for both wide and narrow areas, but it's better for narrow ones, like non-constant resonances or deessing.
@@heavymetalmixer91 thank you! And 1 more, could u give some example on when we choose what between those 2 on some point of mixing? I hope u understand my english
@@SilloniusAeldarian I tend to use them just after the fader mix is done, because controlling the low-end on some tracks (multiband compressor) or resonances (dynamic EQ) make the mix harder if dont treated quick.
Sometimes I also the dynamic-Q as deesser after compressing vocals. Btw, try to not use any of them in the mixbus unless you will do subtle moves, they can quickly ruin your mix, mostly the multiband compressor.
Great video!! Always interesting to see in which way you (someone else) is using his or her plugins 🎶👍
If you get the budget, my professor and I highly recommend the Drawmer Analog Multiband!
Thanks for a great video!
Great video. I mostly don't stick to a track to even really use it on the master. But I tend to often use it on my bass sounds :)
Thank you mate super nice video.
I like what you said toward the end of the video. It's best to do it correct at the beginning instead of try to patch it up later.
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great video. very helpful. thanks
Dan worrell has a video of a crazy setup for creating a zero phase reaper multi compressor setup. Different compressor for each band.
Great video. Always love the learn 👍
Very helpful. You're awesome dude
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In summary.. "You can't polish a turd". Words to live by.
Finally..... thanks u so so so so so so much...
I think it is a good idea to have 3-4 buses before the master in your project to separate instruments of different spectrum range aka sub bus, vocals and synths bus, cymbals and other high stuff bus, or some other bus, depending on music style and treat them proper in terms of compression and EQing and so on...
why do you put your ratio so high? isnt it the db amount the signal gets compressed after hitting the threshold? so that would result in a pretty drastic compression or am i misunderstanding that
how can i make my mix pop well on phones using fab eq n mb thsnks
These vids are more helpful than plug reviews...
This is awesome. From your elaborate description on how the filters must look I think I could do that with reaper proprietary Java Script Plugins. I even think Kenny has made a video about this, splitting a track into bass, mid and treble via routing and then compressing them seperately and putting them back together. But when I watched it the first time the info was lost on me I guess.
Yup, the JS n-band splitters and joiners do that job, though the rs-met crossover vst is the better splitter and free (all the freebie vsts from rs-met are useful). Then you can just use any compressor you want on each band (or any plugin, why not try adding reverb only to the high frequencies or setting different delays for two mid-bands).
What I find interesting is that this is part of a mixing process rather than mastering. I always thought such significant processing on the 2buss would be a mastering engineers job. I understand that mastering engineers should really be doing minor changes, but it’s just interesting that fairly bold processing is going on the 2buss. I always thought that the less processing the better in this area, unless the mix is pretty poor.