The OFFICIAL Season 11 Overwatch 2 Hero Tier List
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Ball players trying to play good enough to win but not good enough to get countered is a funny concept.
It's sadly true as a ball player I've played games where we rolled first 2 fights and thought to myself "i need to get less kills so they don't go counter comp"
Shits so true tho
ball players deserve every little bit of countering.
As ball, I start each game testing the water, which usually gets me killed first 2 fights but makes the enemy not want to switch for me
Dude I stg if I get 2 kills in the first team fight I'm like 'oh shit' and I look on the scoreboard for a sombra or cree on the other team :>
It doesn't matter if Mercy is good or not. I see two in every game I play anyway.
im a mercy main and its so hard ive just been transitioning to moira i think were all on copiun
I'm a mercy main too but fr literally every game there are like 2-3 people (not including me) who bought the rose gold bundle and are showing off the name cards/icons. So even though mercy is pretty bad people are just playing her because of the skins
I mean...nobody even tries to shoot her in low ranks lol
As a tank main (because none of my friends will play) I don’t want buffs, I just want doomfist to have his bugs fixed
@@jazminruby3122advice if you want to rank up, don’t transition to Moria she has zero utility and your team will go from mad to angry if you have her
Rein mains eating good tonight cus we finally not in F tier
finally bro
He hasn’t been in f tier for 3 seasons and has actually been pretty mediocre but ok
def not fucking medicore what. bro what was borderline unplayable above diamond when the dps passive just got introduced, and the season before and after that@@Pam234
@@slump8665 use that little thing called the brain. I said hes been mediocre for the last 3 seasons. He's literally high b tier on this tier list which means flats thinks hes above average which even i disagree with.
@@Pam234 yeah high btier NOW. AFTER WHAT HOW MANY BUFFS DID HE GET? use YOUR brain and go back to each of his seasons tier list, and see where he put em. C MAX if hes lucky which is JUNK TIER. unless u dont know the meaning of medicore. C and D tier is not medicore
Playing Ball: Wow, this is the most fun I think I've ever had playing Tank!
Playing Ball when the enemy team has Sombra: *Existence* *is* *suffering*
Doomfist players can relate
On behalf of all Sombra enjoyers: a necessary evil
@@ladyhdwastakennah sombras just annoying. Brig is closer to that
@@necrosis6037 Agreed
@@necrosis6037 imagine how bad ball would be to play against if sombra wasnt there to check him
I want mercy to get buffed just so i dont lose instantly when my team has a mercy one trick
Just one season. Please PLEASE buff mercy to where she's playable in comp and I'm not screamed at for wanting to play Mercy and forced to switch to Ana, Kiri, bap etc. I just wanna be the silly goofy f22 that's impossible to hit. I don't care if rez is still dogshit. Just the mobility and maybe a small heal buff.
MERCY PLAYERS DESERVE TO LOSE
@@gdog9423NO LAME AHH NO SKILL NO AIM REZ BEHIND WALL DUMBASS CHARACTER NERF MERCY 😊
@@gdog9423character is equally as trash as the community that plays her.
@@Humanarec Do you know what grass is? Or fresh air? Or maybe even how to clean the dishes stacked up in your room?
Another season of Mercy and Lifeweaver being absolute dog shit 🥹
Mercy had one use, mass rez, she's crap without it.
@@OmegaBlue-gb5bu and she should never have that again so either a rework or she should stay shit dx
And yet I get that 90% of the time in gold/plat. And when they instalock LW Mercy you just pretty much know you lost.
Yay mercy bad boo Lifeweaver bad
You know for a fact that if Lifeweaver was above A tier the game would be super boring.
Hog, pharrah, sombra. EVERY GAME.
Mercy too. You just never see her cuz she's behind the Pharah, Tank or just dead
Yeah and as a support i can go kiriko to counter the sombra or i can go ana to counter hog and pharah but i cant do both.
I haven't seen too many Hogs as of late. Plenty of DVA and Mauga
For me it's. Orisa/hog, pharah, Sombra/cassidy, and ana. Literally the only comps I expect to play against. they will ultimately swap to those because I shaft them with DF😂
@@Gabriel-nv3ib Cassidy is insane right now. He kills so fast.
As a pharah main since 2016, it's so weird to see her in S tier
Honestly she has been slept on for a while especially with a mercy pocket she is so hard to kill since you all know what you're doing
She's always been very good with a mercy pocket. She's never been bad.
Pharah is no skill trashcans hero garbage no skill players play her she very strong blizzard buff her so much
Ah yes, one of the lowest skill floor heroes who is good up until GM level by having bare minimum game knowledge and prediction being S tier, certainly my favorite
shes always been s teir in plat and below. ss tier on console.
Im having enough pharah, im traumatized
Time to have my teammates quote this video to justify their picks
The breast cancer skin has been bringing out the mercys and I gotta say it's not a very pleasant experience lol. Just to clarify I'm happy so many folks bought the skin to help out with a noble cause, BUT I still don't think that it makes me a monster for not being thrilled that every game I gotta have a mercy on my team when the character blows hot ass through a straw you know? Like every other mode go nuts but in ranked? idk chief.
I usually play with DPS friends and we go pharamercy which typically works. (I feel bad for the other team-)
I doubt you're in any rank where tier list matter bro and mercy is a great pair for phara, ya know that S tier character up there if you care about it
@@mitzi3262also, mercy makes hanzo not be a throw pick anymore
I’m not happy the skin is shit and she’s ruining my games
@@gdog9423Yeah been going up against this every single game. Pharmercy every single game. How is that balanced? Unkillabke machine that almost one shots every hero with damage boost and then gets rezzes any time she dies.
Overwatch has some of the most fun movement in a multiplayer shooter and instead of balancing around skillful movement they just up the health and fovus the whole game around healing and positioning n shit
Too much movement in games nowadays it gets repetitive
@@emma6648 the movement the game already has is awesome and it's ashame the Devs focus on centring team fights around managing health rather then the fight being won by whoever can more effectively use their classes movement to avoid damage instead of every character needing a heals IV drip on 24/7
actually true
they literally cook up some of the most unique characters ever like doomfist and genji and proceed to buff the guy that just has a gun and keep characters like soj perma meta
The game don't need more movement, you guys complain for no reason.
Hear me out, tanks don’t need buffs or nerfs rn, the way to fix tank is fixing the effects of chaining CC abilities on them. That’s how tanks explode often times.
It’s so weird seeing Rein above Orisa
Agreed. Never thought I would see him above the horse in a long time.
horse is still stronger if you're smart with the cds @@FreakRosemary
Why aren't you thankful for that? "hurr is so weird" just learn to appreciate..
@@felipez3115 I didn’t say that I’m not thankful. I’m just surprised that rein higher than horse. Because most of the time she’s one of the ring leaders.
@@mckookie2967 100%. She can still mess you up if you’re not smart, but I’m glad she’s not as miserable as season 1 horse.
Sleeping till space ranger, but I appreciate you placing pictures next to colors.
This comment made my day ty 😂
LMAO
This has actually been the most balanced I’ve seen in a while literally with just TWO big changes.
Kiri and Souj.
That right there, has made the game a lot more fun for ME at least.
I think this is a skill issue
The time I made you waste is great
@@emma6648...anything else to say, sir?? If I could post images on TH-cam replies it would be the one with the trash can and microphone
I love Kiri, I play Kiri a lot 😂😂 I think Kiri has been broken for too long. The cleanse needs to be strong but not over powered.
Souj was high for too long😂😂😂 she needs a break. And that’s ok.
Sorry I’m not as toxic as the rest of the OW community to just bicker with you😂
@@accuratememin lolll it’s crazy right. Could have literally said anything else. Could have said anything else… “I think it’s a skill issue”
Coming up with better ideas is considered a skill issue😂😂😂
I dont think kiriko was the reason. I'd say Illari is more oppressive than Kiriko. Cuz the nerf wasn't really significant enough to say Kiriko was the reason.
Them making hit scan sup meta is what prob "fixed" the meta if anything to combat all the S tier flying heros.
"Mercy is ez to kill"
Last time flats played mccree he had to pop highnoon to kill her because he missed 80% of his shots
Yeah I think they’re bullshitting bc even in my diamond lobbies people struggle. That mf zips around
@@babyhoho6745 in a video he uploaded 2 days ago playing mccree he killed mercy twice once because he solo ult her after missing two shots , the second time after he got nano every other time she escaped or got solo ulted by one of his teammates.
It seems like these streamers are afraid to talk negatively about Mercy because of the amount of the playerbase that one tricks Mercy. Like half the playerbase is a Mercy one trick.
Yeah and add on to the fact that a hitscan like McCree is supposed to be able to deal with her better than others. A lot of the roster just has a hard time dealing with her when she can move so fast and often with little skill required
i love how delusional this section is. Guys i’m saying this with no disrespect but you are telling on yourself if you can’t hit mercy at this point in time. even after her massive movement nerfs, hotbox increases, and the dps passive.
As a Ramatra Main... *sighs* at least he isn't lower...
Make his ult last forever again
Agreed. Ramatra is so fun
I think it would be interesting if weaver could see the cooldowns of teammates he's looking at
This season has been so unbearable
you could've said this every day for a year straight and i'd agree with you
Gamer the season has been out for a WEEK
@@fungusman7474too long tbh
@@ravelnavarro9625 really says something about the game huh
imo this season is actually fine, or at least the least bad season in a long time
Feel like they should just make you lock your hero at the start of the game. Makes you have to think and gets rid of counter swap.
I used to love playing Overwatch, but now after every match, win or lose, I feel like I part of my soul has died. 😥
Stop playing then???
@@BeforeThisNovember I already have, since this season.
@@vinland6168 problem solved then
@@vinland6168unironically, good on you. Taking a break helps so much when you're burnt out so props to you
Say thank you to :
- the overpowered sustain abilities making the game about denial rather than playmaking
- the unkillable tanks encouraged by the 5v5 format
- poke/hitscan meta encouraged by the hitbox changes
The time to revert back to 6v6 is here, the tank experience in general will ALWAYS be bad until that happens.
wait he taking abt 6v6 lmao 1:28
Of course he is, he knows its better but he wants to stay in blizzards good graces
The "Tank Square" at the start says everything.
SOOO RIGHT ABOUT PHARAH..
I've come across so many good Pharahs in my rank games and every single time we have lost especially with a mercy pocket it is so hard to kill her 😭
Play sombra and hack her. It’s the best counter.
@@troywilson5686*gets two tapped after hitting virus*
@@kingofgrim4761 every single time. Sombras are nothing to me.
illari dva
@@mckookie2967 at least illari has a slight chance, if you die to DVA as pharah you got an almighty skill issue
26:20 ⚠️ This is NOT a drill! ⚠️ Sojurn has FALLEN!
I repeat: ⚠️ This is NOT a drill! ⚠️ Sojurn has FALLEN!
Please stay inside and await further instructions.
Flats: "Tank feels terrible to play, and it sucks."
Also Flats: "Play Mei rush and make sure their tank cannot play the game."
Wheres the lie?
@@valenj.9307 What lie? It's just ironic that Flats wants tank to feel fun again but then tells everyone how to destroy tanks every season
@devanmenttrup6203 the reason tanks suck is because you either wipe and don't have fun, or get obliterated and have no fun. For high rank players (I consider myself one of these, although not in this game) stomping an enemy team gets hella boring after a while. Also tanks are just boring to play. Nothing much happens as tanks, just point and shoot. Again don't play this game that much, but I watch some content
@EmjrRockz I agree with this I don't find tank fun to play at all I play dps and supp and I'm really good at both would say I'm about diamond or masters in terms of skill but I just never wanna play tank cause it doesn't matter if I'm winning or losing I feel so bored playing tank
As a ball main i think ball is one of the most unhealthy heroes in this game right now, the people he counters don't get to play the game if the enemy is on ball and ball doesnt get to play against the people who counter him. Every hero in the game is either a target for ball, a counter to ball, or should be ignored by ball. He has no neutral matchups that will ever happen unless one team is down players
Do y'all think its time for another sym rework? She's been unstable ever since the season 4 rework
As a mercy player this might be a hot take but I think blue beam and rez should be reworked into something new or have the community crafted rez be her normal rez. Depending on what blue beam and rez are reworked into then they should do valk as well.
As a mercy player im totally up for a rework. Mercy seems to be in a state where she cant be buffed bc of rez and blue beam, but it also isn’t a solution to nerf her. The whole idea of pocketing isnt really fun too, I even feel guilty pocketing my pharrah 100% of the time lmao.
i don’t think this is a hot take, a lot of mercy players want her to be reworked or wouldn’t mind them changing rez if it meant that mercy would get compensated
as a non mercy player I agree she seems horrible other than her broken rez
community crafted rez is horrible. no thanks.
@@PurpleMoon799community crafted Rez feels pretty good. I like it, adds a lot of skill expression
I think the main problem with tank is counter picking, im a zarya main and the ammount of times i wanna play zarya juat to have a winston or a rein thrown in my face is rough
It feels like if your tank gets counter picked the whole play style has to change to help them more, cancel out the other tanks abilities so to say
See with zarya it depends on your dps at that point, you can just bubble them instead of yourself and play more passively, you’ll be charged and the enemy tank should be burst down
I feel like Zarya mains deserve this though
As a road hog one trick deal with it
@@riiel3474was gonna say. They’re just a tier away from being as cancerous as mag and hog players. They deserve what’s coming to them and more. Hog and mag should just be removed from the game full stop
It feels impossible to balance Mercy. You either have her as she is now where she's borderline useless at a high level or you make her halfway decent and the 85% of low and mid level players complain for years on end.
thought i accidentally had my terraria open lmao
Lifeweaver the GOAT of-“i hate playing with and against this character”
I die a little every time he pulls an out of position tank
And because that, i propose following rework: reduce the pull range, but pull more often. Additionally make pull need to have a pre-placed thing. Now he can heal less without beeing shit, he cant ruin your plays quite as effective, whether you are an enemy or a teammate and you could probably make it so he doesnt have his heal-jump, but can pull himself, so you can force that cooldown out by attacking him. And that we are far, we can also say he can only pull to the plattforms, and that is one ability, which includes, lifting it up, giving him more versatility, and we made him use one ability less, by that, so now we could give him anotherone, maybe of offensive nature
I remember as mauga, having the high ground, shooting the other team. Then my lw decided to pull me in to be a meat shield as they ran away
24:24 Im pretty sure everyone already knew this. Pharah has always been pretty good. She's just completely dominating now. She makes the game unfun.
Playing hanzo for .5 seconds and there’s a Pharah on the other team without fail
You cant hit me but i can hit you, the epitome of fun in a game. On top of that, she has the same HP as the other heroes that can hit and can be hit back. Amazing
With the background music, I thought I had Terraria booted up 😭
W!!!!! I am subbing to you now
I do have terraria open and I thought the audio was coming from my phone and I paused the video like 20x at first like ?????
You can't buff mercy because her whole design is to make op dps even more op and unkillable. It's true for every season, pharah, cree, soj, ashe etc. It's extremely obnoxious and people definitely over exaggerate how bad she is, someone must be paying something good to flats to say mercy and dva are bad every single season.
Dmg boost and rez are so stupidly strong and her heal beam takes no aim and no reload so a 100% uptime making dueling her pocket without a mercy yourself borderline impossible compared to other supports as you can't bait anything out of her. Realistically the best solution to making her better would be a rework to everything but her movement.
A good rework idea would be a combination of the 2 custom patches, the creator one and the mirrorwatch patch, where dmg boost is the rocket things so she isn't just standing behind a wall and actually doing stuff, this would also allow for higher skill and better movement as she would be dpsing instead of just running away and would allow for her to be the first sort of flying support hero that can actually do stuff with it. Rez being the necromancy style from the creator patch would make the ability less obnoxious as if you put your resources, cooldowns, ults and 1 member of your team into killing a hog just for her to pop valk and get a guaranteed raid boss respawn at full health and cooldowns, it would help tip the fight in her teams direction without it being broken. Buffing mercy would probably break the whole game into no one wanting to play it in her current state and they have the changes I suggested already designed and implemented so it would take very little work with probably a couple small changes.
just nerf dmg boost and rez and buff healing and survivability imo
Her Rez isn't even OP. Once you Rez someone, you have to wait almost 30 seconds to do it again
@@Eeveethegamer26 I know it’s a bad ability but if nerfing it means people won’t complain over her getting buffs it’s worth it
@@Eeveethegamer26 it is one of the most overpowered abilities in the game, you don't need to do it multiple times in a fight, it's exactly like lamp.
@@trisfaleel rez could have a minute cooldown and it would still be op because it's literally for using about once every few minutes not off cooldown, but sometimes it is able to be, and that makes it even more stupid.
Dmg boost has no place as a regular ability in the game, it is giving someone a discord orb against everyone on the enemy team without a cooldown from 1 second in, it can't just be nerfed. These abilities are so fundamentally awful, and gate keeping mercy from the potential she could have as a actually interesting hero in the game. Also have you ever played tank? There is like only pretty much hog, mauga and dva (point blank) that can out dmg mercy beam without aimbot, you can barely buff it because it's on the breakpoint of being insane
As a Lucio main, I love boop rn. Tanks not getting booped is fine, I'm never scared of getting them off me anyway, what're they gonna do, kill me?
Meh, i'm also a Lucio main and i really miss old boop, it was so much fun
I'm a Mercy main, absolutely love her, bought the Rose Gold Bundle, but man I swear, it's either Mercy is the most broken support or the most dogshit support to currently play. I don't want another moth meta but I still wanna be able to play Mercy without being spammed to swap bro :,D
Yeah me too! I do enjoy playing some other characters too but other times I just want to play mercy , she’s my strongest character by far but she isn’t very good :(
Junk meta idc what you say imo
I think i strongly disagree with dva B tier
Thank God you fixed putting DVA and Doom in the same tier. Not cause I know which is better but because the presentation was so different.
I've noticed lots of people who rate don't want to drop Doom to C but can't put DVA in A and then they ruin their rating. Props to you, you've used the F column before
Stop buffing the horse
i have just been locking in rien, win or lose
Hot take: Kiri suzu should work like carnage where cleansing a debuff reduces the cooldown. This punishes use for random imort spam and encourages using it for cleanse or saving it for big moments.
Sure, if you make it 21 sec cd and give like 1-1.5 for debug cleanse. It heals and gives invulnerability.
If my addiction & dedication to this game wasn’t so strong I would’ve un downloaded it seasons ago. Alas, I cannot seem to let go.
I like how Sojourn hair is an extension of Rain beard at the begining
Lmao
I was good with Cass since I've main'd him since like season 6. But for some reason this season I am just awful, can't hit shots or explode. Every game being against a genji is annoying but that was the case previously too. And I don't know where all the absolutely cracked Cass players have come from. Sometimes they're a smurf (not often, that's usually other heroes) or sometimes they just have 3k hours. Pretty sure I had 2 games in a row against one using a triggerbot despite not noticing any chearters in my previous time playing OW.
As I said partly a skill issue on my part
Probably ranked reset, it pushed a lot of people down a little so you are probably playing against better players than before.
@@yes-ho8xy I haven't even been playing ranked
@@levipeterken4020 lol idk then, game shit?
dont worry about it, even at cass being the very best the dude consistently has a low winrate and only averages 1 kill per life lol
44:41 Flats malfunctioning. Needs a reboot.
as someone in low plat dps and high plat support he's so right about ball. no counter = unkillable
My main problem with support aside from the best 3, is it feels like they're flattening unique support gameplay and different play styles, and they don't seem to have a clear vision of what support does. A lot of the utility focused supports suck, and finding Moira utility got cancelled. So I don't think it's utility. They nerfed burst heals, and the DPS passive makes the high heal characters focus on heals. The low heal characters just don't heal enough through the dps passive. So it's not healing. They're still nerfing supports survivability, so it's not staying alive forever. And future supports will have less mobility, so it's not even zoom zoom simulator.
Funny to come back to this after mid season patch 😂
I’ve been enjoying tank recently… I enjoy emotional pain 😅😂
I think me too 😫
Bro genji is in need of some buffs far out either he gets blade dmg buff or shuriken buff they completely ruined his break points by increasing everyone's health and not giving him a compensation byff for instance it could take up to 4 slashes to kill one cassidy if he rolls at the right time.
The level 3 turret in the creator mode is wildly underrated
Did you play early overwatch? I think it was pre-2019 that they reworked Torbjorn and got rid of his level 3. Good times. That's where it came from.
Lifeweaver and Mercy are so annoying to play with and against I genuinely want the option to not have supports play them, ESPECIALLY on tank.
Mercy once again didn’t get a buff. She 100% needs it and she is by far the weakest support. No utility, team reliant and No reliable damage.
eh, i agree that she is definitely one of the weakest but no utility is just flat out wrong. she has both dmg boost and rez.
Imo mercy needs to sit in the back of the bus for a few months.
@@kingmoosh2004One is...y'know what sure it's balanced but it's only one target compared to hindering a tank, speeding your team, etc.
Rez, even plat players can cancel that shit lmao, I on fucking Ball can cancel rez easily. You have to be basically either in Valk or the enemy team ignores you for some reason. And her low healing (low due to the DPS passive and her single target healing) makes her not even good at keeping people alive. She's definitely the worst support.
@@accuratememin yes, rez can get canceled sometimes if you go for ones in stupid spots, but it’s still useful. you’re forgetting about the times where mercy can pretty much just get a free rez on a widow in an uncontestable high ground spot or from way behind a wall because the range can be ridiculous. ball is a bad example, most characters can’t reach mercy and CC her out of the max rez range nearly as fast as ball, he’s genuinely good at that. obviously if it’s a brawl or dive comp then mercy will be unlikely to get a rez off. she has always been more poke oriented.
damage boost is only single target, yeah (outside of valk), but it is still very unique and powerful and has no cooldown. and as for the healing, not gonna argue about that, it sucks, she’s garbage at keeping people alive. she is a weak support for sure, but “no utility” is not one of those weaknesses, that would be more of a weakness for like moira, illari, or brig. biggest issues are the garbo healing and lack of damage which kinda obligates her to just dmg boost pocketing a good dps
Mercy is hard to balance because she's too easy. Anyone can play her. Her rez is either easily able to happen or impossible. On poke you can guarantee. On dive it's not gonna happen. Damage buff can break chatacters if messed with wrong. What can you possibly buff about her without making her a brain dead problem?
I used to be Mercy one trick and Lifeweaver was my 2nd pick. The moment they fell into being worst supports in the game was difficult for me to switch into some meta picks like Kiriko and Ana because I had problems hitting things as Ana and Kiriko was just not fun for me at all... now it's even worse as I hate and I can't play Bap, Ilari is so stupid boring for me and Lucio is just above my abillities to play him. Most likely worst support meta for me right now so I'll be probably moving to main DPS... would go for tank as well buut yea it feels bad playing it :/
Hanzo feels horrible to play right now, and if a character is not fun to play, they are NOT in a good place and should be changed.
As a high rank Hanzo main, I agree with you about Hanzo. He isn't all *that* bad in terms of damage *numbers*, but he feels like ass to play. He's kind of ok, until you start running into higher HP targets that can outpoke or outmaneuver him. Before, it was a question of skill in winning those engagements, but now you just don't have a chance.
As far as feeling like ass goes, think of it this way: they took a projectile sniper, which appeals to a very certain type of player, and you turned him into a tank buster. This is like taking Doomfist and turning him into Mauga. Hanzo's shots are not easy to hit, and if you hit a headshot and that target lives, or worse kills you, you will feel cheated every single time. As for myself, I have stopped playing him in ranked, because it is rarely, if ever an enjoyable experience.
Hanzo players get upset because they don't want to hear anybody say Hanzo is ok, because they take it to mean he'll stay the same way as he currently is. He's also not good, he's just not terrible - this is completely different.
Most Hanzo players would much rather the hero is mid but fun, than decent but boring. I am in this camp as well. They could completely delete Storm Arrows, give us our one-shot back and I'd be happier than I am now.
They can bring illiari into the meta, but won't bring her a good skin
Illari has some of the best skins in the game?
@queerparadox8328 it seems your huffing the craziest copium I have ever seen. She's not even top 20
@@queerparadox8328 Like what? Out of her 3 Legendary skins she has, none of them are that mind-blowing except the blue one with the moon theme to it.
4:00 SINCE WHEN IS DVA SLEPT ON SHES THE MAIN TANK THIS SEASON AND HAS BEEN THE MOST PLAYED TANK THERE IS NO WAY NOBODY AGREES IF SO THEN WERE ARE NOT PLAYING THE SAME GAME (or the same rank aka anything above gold)
If the whole team swaps to counter a ball, it should be unplayable at that point. A whole team had to swap to counter him.
I agree. I do actually think if multiple people swap, yea that should force something. And I don't know when swapping became a bad thing in this game but yea
Torb C Tier ?? This is absolutely bewildering to me. What to do what to do… oh I know I must bring torb up to S+ tier. I am going to apply to blizzard and bug torb secretly watch carefully to the torb meta coming 😀
One problem is the homogeneous passives. They just lazily splash the same passive across the class without even thinking on how it affects each character. The reliability of applying the dps one for example is vastly different between ones like Bastion and Sym vs ones like Pharah and Junkrat. They made a similar mistake back in WoW when they started making all the classes basically the same with the health changes.
cass will go down in usage when pharah and echo go down, currently soldier and ashe are a bit too squishy to handle them while cass just has enuff hp to maybe survive to win a duel....
imagine nerfing his hp lol, hed be so garbage again and wed be in a pharapocalypse
1:28 he knows….
Indeed he knows...
One of us…
It’s really sad that mercy been bad, she is not receiving no help for the past 3/4 seasons. She had the mythic and a lot of other skins I have all of them but I can’t really use them because it seems like I’m trolling every time I play her. She’s just being ignored. It’s sad and frustrating. (actually bought the skins, hoping that she’s gonna get better anytime)
it's exhausting
Needs buff:
Mercy
Lifeweaver
Torb
Reaper
Zarya
Genji
Never thought I would say someone say torbjorn needs buffs but I agree
Torb needs buffed in what area? Making his overdrive better to tank bust tanks? His turret better so he gets auto value like llari? Make his left click better so he can spam chokes more? Just leave him who cares tbh. He doesnt need to be great char.
where is hanzo
Hanzo being ignored is criminal
Reaper, Zarya, Weaver, Torb don’t need buffs.
The game is better when weaver is bad, but he needs a slight rework what an awful hero design
these devs need to be transferred to another project or let go or something.
Flats I mess with you but this is one of the worst list I have seen yet
This is I think the 26th or 27th season of Mercy being bottom of the pile and she still hasn't been buffed KEKW. She had a brief trip to the middle of the pack during Season 3 of OW2, but aside that, her last actually good state was like pre-Baptiste launch in OW1. Idk how hard it is to buff a character that has been shit this long but it actually feels targeted (mostly because it is, which is stupid)
Delusional
@@kio9906 Nah dw, I've long moved on from OW, haven't played at all since like September last year. I only keep up with the media and random posts to see if it's improved at all or not, which from the outset it doesn't look so.
You don’t understand how miserable the game becomes when mercy is strong. Damage boost just breaks characters, rez can be a win button, and has strong movement. Also the character requires zero mechanical skill to get value, at least bap has to aim at the floor with lamp.
Flashbacks to moth meta
@@PunchM3 bap at least has to do dmg at some point too mercy is and was the only hero that could win with 0 dmg
The biggest change i want for mercy wont even help her, i just want her damage boosted to count as her damage. She boosted it, she created that damage, its hers, she earned it!! How dare you steal that from her??? I wanna feel like i contributed more than 20 damage the entire match xD
Mercy being bad is good but not when she still gets played the most on my team
Honestly this season has been the season to send me back to my WOW origins lol. I bought the Pink Mercy bundle not bc I really play her a lot but because I want to support the cause. I played maybe four games with her and in each one at least one person from my team threw a fit about the Mercy pick and either threw the game, hid from me to purposefully die, etc -IN QUICK PLAY, not even in Competitive. I don't know how people find OW enjoyable. In a way I feel regretful I even bothered starting to play because the community is absolute dogshit.
TWO best changes that have made games a lot more balanced are for sure Kiri and Souj. 100%
I love playing weaver, literally my favorite support, I love and HATE the pull
I think they should have him put a pedal over top a player before being able to just pull. That way you can see if the player wants the pull or not. That way it’s a better chance for a smoother pull.
Issue, this makes it so that the weaver isn't the one able to skillfully snap his teammates away from danger
this means he'd be submitting a formal request to pull them, and then he'd get to pull them in 2 business days when they accept it
@@Lugiamaster075 yeah that’s why I said, it would suck in a way because weaver is all about knowing when to pull.
I think a great tool maybe is to have cancellation maybe. Like you go to pull and if you press it again, it will let go.
I don’t know. I’ve just learned a lot with other heroes that I’ve naturally just have gotten good at pulling at the right time.
For me I VERY rarely get people who complain about my pulls.
The hero I will VERY rarely pull is Mauga.
If I know he doesn’t has his E, I’ll pull him.
Other than that, I have to just trust my tanks to make space.
@@Weightsss exactly I rarely get people that complain about me pulls Ik one thing about mauga is that if he is in cage and is about to die make sure to be right outside the cage then pull him so he can still shoot them but no take dmg
@@Ahsoka123 Exactly! I’ll let my doom go hard and get as deep as he can. I’ll trust him for a bit, but when he gets slept and antied, I’ll pull.
OR, if I’m paying attention to my team, if he has ult, I won’t pull possibly because he’ll use ult to heal himself and come back and stay in the back lines to make plays
@@Weightsss yeah but sometimes I will pull doom even he has ult cause doom can still die before he presses his ult but that’s on rare occasions but I always keep track of cooldowns and ults if I’m in 5 stack I will ask if they have there cooldowns or not or if there about to ult
I'll never forget a Mauga i was against that kept running into our team w his charge & killing everything, the thing is he should've never been able to play the game I had a Dva, Sojourn, Bastion, & I was Ana. I always anti'd him as soon as he used overdrive but my bastion always wasted turret or had awful positioning while my Sojourn had no thumbs & my Dva on her own adventure Gold is the rank where i had a rein NOT want lucio speed, a Echo that ONLY wanted heal beam no dmg boost, & a teammate that said why am i playing widow on Circuit Royal...Metal ranks are something else man
that being said.
Mercy mains are the equivalent to doom/ball players rn annoying having em on your team.
Except ball and doom are useful.
I wish bastion could get his self heal back as he won't rely on his healers that much and his old ult since his new one sucks ass
The self heal was what they gave him for having a stationary turret mode. Unless they rework him, we won't see it again unfortunately.
@@kielmessersmith1956 i disagree from what i been seeing from the community patch many are saying give bastion self heal back there is a chance. and no he doesn't need a rework. he doesn't have an e they can give him self heal. only thing that bastion does need rework is his ulti.
My dad used to play shadowrun when he was a kid and now he plays overwhatch because it is just like it but with tanks
As a Hanzo main i entirely agree with that ranking and your reasoning. Like playing him sucks right now because the assassin playstyle isn't what it once was, but i won't say he's not objectively strong, especially if you bend to playing the Reapzo playstyle.
I'm actually worried about the Hanzo changes they mentioned in the Spilo interview, because if the only thing they do to change him is give him back his one shot, he'll definitely become overpowered due to Storm Arrows and how easy it is to hit headshots now.
Like as fun as it would be to run around deleting everyone i come across, that would get boring pretty fast and I don't want my fun to ruin someone else's experience playing the game. I also don't want his already bad reputation to be worsened by players who just start playing him because he's OP.
If they buff his damage they need to also nerf storm arrows and either revert the hit box changes back to pre-season 9 or limit the one shot's range to like 5-10 metres or something like that.
For all I care, if he can get the one shot back, I don't mind if they change the arrow box to pre season 8 and remove storm arrow for a new ability. If they don't entirely remove storm arrow, maybe make the count 2 or 3 so he doesn't melt tanks. No one likes playing the reapzo playstyle and right now hanzo gets too much value from storm arrow and too little value when he doesn't.
I hate mercy players . All they are good at is opening their wallets
if pharah is good but mercy still isn't good, you know you have a problem
"hanzo players are in the same bucket as junkrat players"- me as a hanzo and junkrat player :(
How to fix Mercy: Increase her healing, copy over the Mirrorwatch mechanic of her right click being her pistol. Removing damage boost means you don't have to balance around it
Agree, make boost a temporal buff to the target, 3 - 4 second of 15% -20% of boost and 10- 12 second cooldown. And play with it the next season
The highnoon with lucio boost is the funniest creepiest movement in game lol
As a Cass main since launch ow1, I'm absolutely loving the feel of his kit and solidified place as anti dive/peel brawler. I hope that if they want to bring him down some, they lower the size of primary fire or lowering his health a tiny bit to bring more skill expression in mechanics or positioning with the same ceiling
I used to main cass, but i agree he requires some sort of nerf so that way he isn’t so braindead to play/play against.
I’d say nerf his fan the hammer a bit more. With a roll you just walk up to a tank and shred 80% of their health by yourself
seeing a cass main ask for a hp nerf is just insane. yall realize just how long cowboy only had 200hp?
he cant be this anti-dive peel hero if you gut his hp...he just falls over if you dive him then. it happened for YEARS!
I mean lets be honest, he already does fall over when you dive him most times as is.
pharah and echo are in every game! youre gunna see mostly cassidy, soldier and ashe until they get dealt with.
its real bad at the moment and cassidy lives just a lil longer against them both, he shouldnt be punished for that.
Hes only there because of whats being played around him
@@Dashx64 he needed the health way back when when 200 hp was the norm and several characters had combos that deleted you, but in the modern game almost none of those exists anymore and Cass has more than enough time for a skilled player to get a fair fight in even when being dived. In addition, Cass's time to kill didn't get slowed down at all by the hp changes, he just needs to land two headshots. That got made significantly easier by the projectile changes. So yeah, I think that Cass should see a very slight nerf so that he can remain a skill expression hero and not a no brainer pick and play
It's crazy how the ranking depends on the rank. I feel like in metal ranks, Mercy is S-Tier, because everytime I play ranked, nobody is able to kill the enemy mercy and because it is metal rank, the person who Mercy is pocketing is unkillable too.
I enjoy playing pharah a lot but it’s always so oppressive to me. Like after I get a kill they switch to Cass or Ashe and I’m just like…. End my suffering
Good
Yeah I play Pharah specifically to make them play a good hitscan, then you counter pick their counter pick haha
That’s what you get for playing pharah 😆
Cass having 275 hp and not dying to the direct > boop > direct combo doesn't help at all
Pharah is arguably the most oppressive dps rn. Good riddance.
Plat tier list! Amazing, consistent mediocrity as usual.
15:23 to those who keep complaining about tanks constantly complaining, instead of complaining about us complain with us, we're giving you giving you our reasons for why we're complaining so maybe instead of bashing us for trying to bring these problems to head help us spread reason we're complaining
Lucio C tier.
agreed
fire these devs
Lucio is really good what are you talking about
These lucio mains dont like the fact that they can no longer boop tank @@haydensargent1752
You're delusional
I really think the only way to balance tanks is up survivability and lower damage or vice versa. You can’t have damage and defense. So it’s really what you want more. Tanks do have damage right now. Idk if it’s a hot take but it’s my take.
I love playing tank, its usually really fun for me.
37:19 I’m gonna be honest and I HOPE TO GOD he reads this. At this point I officially believe that these tier list are bullshit. Creators create metas. How the hell can Ana be A tier? Since kirikos release she’s been consistently C tier or around that. Nothing has changed with Ana AND SINCE THE HEALTH POOL CHANGES SHES BEEN WORSE. Everyone has mutually agreed that she’s been worse since she can’t kill anyone. She still can’t 3 shot a tracer right? And that was one of her nails in the coffin. Sorry flats, I truly love you man and I think your a great representative of the the tank role and genuinely have a similar mind set to me, but this one is wild and it sparks a bigger overall issue I have with the influence you all have as creators. Nothing major has happened to make Ana good. Just because Korea uses Ana doesn’t mean we should be too, because I honestly don’t understand how EVEN THEY can use her. She’s insanely squishy and overall just a weak and free kill.
only bad part of playing echo is that theres a cas on every game pretty much