I Was Wrong About The Overwatch 2 Patch But There’s Still A BIG Problem…
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and the infinite "OW is back - OW is dying" cycle continues, right on schedule
This video is neither though. It's more of an... Overwatch is OK but still has problems
@@thebabycowthe right cycle is OW IS BACK -OW IS DYING -OW IS OK
Nah if they keep going this way it's dead. They keep buffing and buffing because they're scared of children crying, and that won't last honestly.
Flats is just describing the same exact 5v5 tank problems we’ve had for all of OW2 and being like “it’s not that bad actually” like what changed?
The halo cycle is for more than just halo
These thumbnails be getting weirder every video
This probably the weirdest one in this channel
Not even recent pictures sometimes the editor is on some TH-cam trending crazy shit lol
flats rising his arms very happy is still one of the best
better*
It's a good thumbnail tho
Two Weeks from now - “I was actually right about this patch and we need to go back to 6v6”
Its cute how many people think that this dev team will be able to make 6v6 work when they can't make a good feeling game in 5v5.
Wishful thinking?
@@xEvilRaptorx That's because 5v5 is harder to balance.
Stop acting like you have any idea about balancing?
@@xEvilRaptorx Did OW1 6v6 work?
5v5 is objectively harder to balance
Because your balancing 1-2-2 instead of 2-2-2 @@xEvilRaptorx
@@Minisynapse of course it worked. If it didn't we wouldn't even be talking here bc the game would have flopped. Try using your brain.
Everyone: Don’t buff tanks please just nerf the outliers.
Team 4: So then I started buffing.
Dude secured the bag, and now it's time for redemption. Great strategy
flats doing the mauga cardiac overdrive sound will never not be funny
Oh u mean the ha ha 😆
HAW HAAAAWWWWW
Flats is actually insane in imitating Sounds and stuff. Would Love to See a compilation
Time stamp?
He’s about as heavy as Mauga so it makes sense
Nah I’m memeing but it’s still funny
Every match I have is unfairly balanced in my favor or the enemy team's favor, I rarely get balanced matches
i legit just played against a t500 player...
all of the people on our team were silver
@@WizardBrandonthat happens a lot to me. I'm gold 4 and my opponents are like gold 2-1 and my team is silver😂
@@darkshadow-og2ss
That's the same tier... Top 500 is way up in champion and grandmaster. Silver should not EVER be in those lobbies.
I played against a top500 tank in qp (not ranked ik but still) yesterday. We managed to win because of a team diff but still, ever since the rank reset and the fact I just don’t play much comp I haven’t even bothered trying to climb out of plat or even finish my tank placements 😭😭 like WHAT
Open que qnd mystery heros top 500 is equivalent to a diamond player on a good day, you’re not gonna get matched with good players unless its cutom games since even arcade has skill based match making.
Chances are the reason you’re either rolling or getting rolled is because you lack game sense and you cant realize the factors that lead to your team winning + random variables. Matches get far less random and onesided as you climb in skill, trust me you arent losing to high skilled players you’re losing cause you havent had your eureka moment regarding the game.
Once you’ve had enough of those moments you’ll climb and your aim will come naturally, then you’ll be miserable that every game plays out the same in higher ranks with 0 of the creativity u can get away with in silver or gold.
Also important to keep in mind about counterswap issues, is that for everyone besides the tank, often it's not necessary to counter swap for personal reasons, because they often aren't the hard focus of an enemy counterswap play. It's often the tank that gets hard swapped against, not the dps or the supports. So the dps and supports don't normally feel the need to swap because they themselves aren't pressured to do so - even if their tank is getting hard countered, that, to them, is more of a "tank player's problem". Which in a sense is true, in a healthy game format, you shouldn't have to counterswap away from your desired hero pick, just because someone else on your team is getting diffed. But when the diff is so easily obtainable through not just skill, but simple hero counterpicking, that just makes it 10x worse.
True, but a large part of overwatch is adjusting to each match, map and hero picked. Its a skill that is now required to play tank, but is a skill that would benefit other roles. Honestly it shouldn't be required to swap on any role, but rather to change your play style; but making adjustments is probably the best way to climb and improve in this game. The stubbornness of Overwatch players is astounding.
Personally, as a player who has played all roles, counterpicking is mainly in tanks, but it's also in the other roles a lot as well... it exists and there is pressure on the other roles as well especially when the enemy team forces certain hero picks. For example: enemy team chooses widow and if they are at all competent I will have 2 deal with her bc she is a major threat. Problem however is that it's hard to get 2 her with most dps's when she is always in the back of the map. So now my hero pick is forced 2 either match the widow or go sombra. But that's just 1 example. Counterpicking and forced hero picks are in every role. Yes it's true and can be argued it's worse on tank sometimes, but it still, in certain situations happens a lot in the other roles and it feels plain terrible....
Counter swapping is literally the only problem I have this game. Everyone but pharah feels balanced imo. Maybe tanks are abit strong but it's not massive. I have games where I still get bodied.
supps that dont swap to help are the most annoying shit ever, god give us votekick
your shit sups dont swap to help to counter shit because they want to play mercy of lw
They're evolving this game into "Evolve"
By killing the game? Agreed
Don't even remind me of that game bro it was so peak I still wish it'd come back someday.
OverEvolve
Miss that game
Evolve mentioned in 2024?!?!
Not even 3 minutes into the 23 minute video and we already discussing the bad 💀
I can’t stand flats anymore
@@dylanvela9477 its because the positives need to just be said to be acknowledged. Then negatives need in depth analysis to try and find ways to resolve each issue without creating more problems and they're are many problems with the game ow rn but it can be saved if done correctly.
@@dylanvela9477 talks out of his asz
@@basterbuddy2769nah he talks from his mouth not his ass, his ass is meant to shit yk?
@@dylanvela9477then please, enlighten me, why are you watching?
am i the only tank player that suddenly doesn't wanna queue up anymore after this patch
I feel the same. Even if I win, I'd rather not play or be any other role.
Yeah switching is more forced because the tanks have been given more power to use against eachother.
Tbh I have completely opposite feelings but perhaps my low elo contributes to that
Yes
I stopped playing tank entirely. Playing DPS and Support now.
6v6 customs has been super fun.
I’ma go try that
Highly recommend, wayyy better than actual queue
For the viewers of this comment, code is 7HSKW
How do you find them I’m on console and it seems like it hard to find these custom 6v6 games would love to play 6v6 I don’t have 12 people to play with though
@@ryleytls4950 there are discord servers and stuff, i know some of them allow console but i don't know any specific ones for you
6v6 tanks felt VERY GOOD with:
- 400-600 hp
- half of the armor damage mitigation
- less armor
- weaker abilities than now
5v5 tanks feel ONLY SLIGHTLY OKAY with:
- 600-800 hp
- double the armor damage mitigation
- significantly more armor
- absurdly gigabuffed abilities
Yep. It's not fun to be a immortal Hammond, I rather return to 6v6 and just be a harasser who occasionally kill a coupe of targets while using skill to survive (especially against hard counters, Hammond has the most counters in the entire game). Or if a Winston is paired with me, we both dive the same targets... or if there's a Orisa, we can take advantage of her gravity thing to maximize the mine field and stomp, etc.. but here we are, skill is not rewarded, you just go out there and dominate with a busted tank, here it comes the obvious counter swaps and that can either force you to swap or not, etc.. no depth, no strategy, nothing
Tank is fun when you're winning but just as unfun as it was if your team doesn't want to help you.
witch is most of the time
Yep because when the enemy tank is pocketed and no one’s killing the supports behind them it just lasts forever or their is pharmercy and no one is playing hitscan. Just keep shooting into the enemy tank who’s health bar either goes down hella slow or somehow go up
my thoughts which is why the game is not “1v1 with spectators”
4:54 This is the whole reason why 5v5 never should have existed. Placing space making in the hands of just one tank is miserable. If your team gets that bad tank that doesn't know he gets countered and refuse to swap it also effects the 4 other players in that team. While at least in 6v6 you still had that extra other tank to be on the frontline and take that space. I still remember games in OW1 while the second tank didn't know what he was doing but still the team won that game because the other tank was pulling his weight. Heck, back in 6v6 it was even possible to play a tank while you get heavy countered because of the extra tank able to back you up when needed. While now it is nothing more that a counter swap game. 6v6 is the better game.
Nobody wanted to play theain tank in overwatch 1. And i mean nobody. There's literally has been the meme of Hog and Ball torture, because that was the majority of the games of casual, the two tanks went off tank and never helped the team. Plus the double shield meta sucked ass
@@user-uv6qu3wb5d You mean the double shield meta that literally isnt possible with orisa changes? What does that have to do with switching back to 6v6?
@@user-uv6qu3wb5d OW was on life support with half the number of tanks we have now, for years. Ofc ppl will get bored. Support ques were half the dps queue times as well. Just dps had biggest diversity and everyone ended up playing dps cuz you didn't have 3 times the heroes you could pick. And rn the dps queues are getting to 4-5 mins while tank queues are instant. And this is all happening when you need 2 of every 10 players to want to tank. Back in OW u needed 4/12 ppl to want to tank. I am tank player(mostly rein) and I played through the abandoned OW but I couldn't survive ow2. I did what everyone told me - Leave if you don't like it. But others are following and it will only get worse. Dps queues were only getting longer when I played. In few years when the tank players have bled out you may finally see that 5v5 was just slowly letting the game die out instead of trying to shock it back to life with everything possible including 6v6.
@@likeyoutubers5454 lmao. Even at the peak of overwatch nobody played tank, never. 5v5 actually solved the 20 minute que times. That's not even anything made up or anything it's literally true
@@aaronburr956 and? I was just saying double shield sucked. So if both players went main tank, they were unstoppable and if both players went off tank nobody had fun on your team. And playing with just 1 main tank always sucked, the only time it didn't was Rein Zarya when Zarya was giga broken. Plus the shield health of everything would have to increase to account for the second tank, they would also need to increase the cc in the game to deal with two tanks, which fucks over dps and supports(and makes tanks less fun)
I like how Flats claims tank is objectively fun now, and then proceeds to list reasons why that actually isn't the case
"Tanks are fun to play now - but I'm still not going to be playing OW because it's not fun".
I'm surprised a man of Flats' stature can manage to sit on a fence like that.
Bro would would drop soap in the prison showers if it meant he could say something positive about overwatch/5v5
@@WeinerTouchy Blizzard already bought him out
In all fairness, It's entirely possible for to have fun playing tank, and tank not be fun. Tanks are objectively the strongest role in the game, and playing with a comp the supports you is a blast, it's very easy to say every single tank in the game is fun in their own way
What makes tank not fun, is the counterswapping and cc. Which is something every tank has to deal with at higher ranks, and can't be fixed by gigabuffing every tank
@@CrispyAndCaramel in all fairness you can have fun playing with literal shit even if its not fun, yeah mate maybe if you're crazy or a shill
Big shakeups every 6 months would be fine if they would actually understand what they're "balancing" and aren't just forcing OW players to play 6 months of broken misery just to "change things up a little".
I'm honestly getting tired of this format where you literally never know who is going to be good and viable, and who isn't. That's not what OW should be doing with a whole roster of characters for whom everyone has their favorites. Every hero should have some manner of viability in any given circumstance, or else why not just take heroes out if they're not obeying whatever "meta" Blizzard wants to see in action? That's not a great option either, but it's essentially the same option they're giving players who have to deal with randomly nerfed and buffed heroes all the time.
It's definitely an issue that they didn't take into account when switching to 5v5. There simply aren't enough heroes.
If someone enjoys playing Mercy - what other heroes are there like Mercy? What other heroes are there like Lucio? Rein? You can ask this question about all the heroes on the roster.
Something like League or DOTA works because there is literally a massive roster of characters - if you like playing support you have MORE characters to choose from in that single category than all the heroes in OW combined. A lot of them overlap allowing you to have 3-5 "core" characters to play, if one gets nerfed it's fine because you still have others to fall back on and enjoy the game.
You are never entirely forced out of meta because of one patch and your characters is just nuked.
Blizzard either needs to introduce more heroes at a faster pace, or introduce new systems to introduce more power individually rather than massive 10-20% passives that cause issues.
@@WeinerTouchy Pushing out characters faster is just going to produce shifty characters who are broken or trash and overall less original. The point of each character is that they are special and no other character is like them. That's what makes overwatch overwatch. If someone is a tracer one trick and trash is struggling all I can say is better luck next patch. Perfect balance is impossible for a game like this and no matter what you do some characters are gonna be better or worse with each update. Either way its been proven that if you are just really good at your character you can make Tham work. Only rein rein has really been in a spot where he's just not good enough to play without the entire team swapping to his needs.
Honestly, as a Sig main I'd be enjoying this patch if i wasn't encountering PharMercy in 80% of my matches.
As a mercy main (who will let her Pharah die because I rather the enemy team have fun instead of getting wiped) We just need one more massive Pharah nerf to make the game fun
Bro I'm a gold player and pharah absolutely wrecks in my rank. I got tired of it and started using her and when I tell you that you dont die as her I mean YOU DONT DIE nobody wants to shoot at phar/mercy in metal ranks.
Dude last night, my DPS were Reaper/Junk...into Phara/Mercy/Echo.....and didn't swap...but hey it was a Tank Diff.
@@Greybush041 i feel ur pain
@@Greybush041 flying characters... painin the ass to him and it goes from bad to worse when the DPS just doesn't play characters that has a chance.
As a doomfist player, I hate 5v5. Doom isn't a tank, so if you try to do your actual job and your team isn't built around you, you're team hates you, and if your team does build around you but you aren't the most perfect person overwatch has ever seen, you're team will still hate you. I play open queue because it gives the team the option to play another tank because doom leaves everyone exposed to monsters like mauga.
If a "Shake-up" Is just wildly changing stats every six months, then the term has lost all meaning
What’s the definition of shakeup ?
I love that you describe the changes as "wildly" made, which is literally what a shake up is. Your take is basically "Shake-ups are when I like a change"
Normally I would agree but Overwatch 2 fans are so starved for any kind of shake up, that by our standards, this is MASSIVE.
bLizzard could sht on a napkin and give it to some people and they would just be like "thank you for the gift, I know you worked so hard to make it for us"
@@PolrisTired Except you've just ignored the part of my quote that you don't like.
"I said wildly changing stats" Not "Wildly made."
Wildly made would imply they actually added something instead of just changing numbers around. Which actually would be what I wanted.
I tried to give 5v5 a chance but honestly, I hate having to be perfect every game, I hate needing to be good at every character just to play the game, I hate always being blamed for everything, I hate having no help and being the only one to get shot at. The pressure of only having one tank is just so high and the devs have proven that they cant make it work and the community is too toxic to understand how hard it is to be tank.
Tanks are less fun to me now. The reason I mostly dropped tank in OW2 wasn't any gameplay reason or how it "felt," it was the psychological pressure the community/your team puts on you, and the potential for getting flamed, as sad as that is. All the tank buffs recently have made that problem worse and worse and IMO that's the exact opposite direction they should be taking.
No one talking about that sexy terraria music tho
why would anyone care?
🎵 Waaah! Beep beep boop 🎵
id love some sea shanty 2
keep ow out of my terraria pls thx
@@flurbleman4486😂
They made the tank diffs feel even worse if you get a bad tank, one trick tank, or if the tank is just having an off game it always feels over. Dps feels awful because tanks just outlive everything you do not because that tank was smart just because they get more free value for doing nothing, so now they feel like total bullet sponges that can also blow you up by looking in your direction. the dps passive change would have probably been enough but they almost always overcorrect and they just had to buff armor, reduse some cooldowns and up some damage. Counter swapping problem is even worse, Pharah is still in every game, and they killed to fun for dps by making tank almost immortal. the patch is not as bad as everyone thought it would be but this season is still cooked and shows they don’t know how to fix tank
true, even head shots deals next to no damage, my problem with pharah is how when you are dueling her, the bumps her rockets do makes your aim bob around so she is even harder to hit, and with a mercy to fly around and pocket her is even more cancer to fight against.
@@ElementVoidX I play a lot of Ashe but Pharah is still awful to play against she plays outside of my fall off range with a mercy so I do almost no damage wile I have to dodge fast moving damage boosted rocket spam. Even if I’m in range I feel like I need to hit back to back headshots before she gets healed or uses her mobility to hide behind a roof or something
Flats saying "exasperated" every time he meant "exacerbated" drove me up the wall 😭
English isn't his strong suit, he misreads posts all the time.
@@bigfudge2031 straight C student
@@jeffe2267 c may be generous
as cassidy main this patch is actually fucking torture.
like idk how to explain to non cass players how crippling that 5 meter nerf is.
How about learn to play the game and actually aim better, instead of depending on giant hitboxes and auto-aim?
I remember i got off of work opened up the game as a dps. I wasnt aware of the patchnotes, i was just chilling. Saw a Dva run it up middle completely destroyed me and my team then flew away. I aint never opened up a patchnotes note so fast in my life
Reading the chat while watching this is so funny. I swear it's half talking about ads the other half repeating what flats just said.
Except that not my third account guy hes a genius truly the most philosophical man twitch history
I will never understand Twitch, one of the most bizarre social media platforms out there
My biggest fear is that the devs will see that this patch is "somewhat fun" for some players, and that will make them think it's actually a good direction, and lose all touch with how broken the game at its core actually is. If they think there's any good in this patch, they 100% will not address any real pain points we present to them now nor in the future. The real killer of hope for a better game, is if the devs get complacent with mediocrity.
Also, the main reason we're scared of change, is because we have lived through enough "change" in this game, and none of it truly was for the better. OW2 despite all its big changes, still doesn't feel like a better game than end-of-life OW1. So at the premise of seeing a new big change, that from experience I can't expect to get the game in a better direction, then yes, that does scare me.
However, if they introduced an actually SIGNIFICANTLY BIG change, I wouldn't be scared of that. I would actually finally regard this as a different game and see it with open eyes, but the change would have to be dramatic. Something like introducing items and level ups etc as an example, truly going full MOBA shooter style, now that I would not be scared of. I would sigh a relief and think "finally the devs embrace they don't know how to handle OW as a hero shooter, and are doing something completely different and new, that at the very least will be a true turning point for this franchise going forward".
I think you're introducing conflicting opinions. No disrespect of course.
I don't understand where this fear of complacency is coming from when the current OW dev team has demonstrated they're the fastest in the game's history to address community feedback. There are so many outlier patches like Doomfist being nerfed early into the games lifecycle, or Mercy literally dancing back and forth between buffs and nerfs a rise in complaints regarding her movement. They've also full blown reverted buffs or reworked kits VERY quickly if they were found to be underperforming or bad. Lifeweaver literally lost his passive so fast that many players didn't realize he ever had one to begin with.
Not only that, but the current team has arguably introduced a LOT of significant changes that even people outside of Overwatch have commented on. The most notable being the increased universal hitboxes that literally made esports headlines. I doubt much needs to be said about the impact of the dps passive, as it was one of the first things people noted when they played Marvel Rivals and remembered what this type of game felt like without such a thing. We are also currently doing a Quick Play hacked event that forces the ENTIRE QP playerbase to play a version of Overwatch with selectable passives. That's simply something the old team refused to do and dedicated an entire optional card to it. Whether we may agree with the decisions or not is irrelevant to the fact that Overwatch 2 is a fundamentally different title than Overwatch 1, and that was the biggest critique of OW2's launch. Flashback to xqc's clip of "It's the same game" being ran on repeat per every youtube video.
It appears that the significant changes that you aren't afraid of happen to be changes that would fundamentally removes the identity of Overwatch. That sounds less like a turning point and more like entirely ignoring the input given from their dedicated community in order to pursue a brand new audience that doesn't have reservations. That wouldn't instill player confidence, that's simply giving up. It's as if Valorant had a problem with a particular agent so they instead decided to introduce respawns.
@@MhnFive It's not about their willingness to act. It's about what they choose to act on. Yes they acted by gigabuffing tanks. But they didn't actually listen to what people said, they just heard "tanks not fun" and figured that just assumes tanks are weak and must be buffed. So if they actually end up believing this to be true, then we will never see a change from them in an actually healthy direction for the game. It will just be another 2 years of "willingness to act" that just drives us in circles without actually getting anywhere significant.
Right now the devs are lost in a roundabout. I'm not saying the car has stopped. But if they keep believing that just because they're driving, means they'll get somewhere, that is what I'm concerned about. They need to realize they gotta exit the roundabout if they want to reach an actual destination that is worthwhile.
@@Real_MisterSir I think this is also somewhat missing the forest for the trees though. So much of the OW discourse is centered around a very loud minority of high to top level players that get spread down to lower rank players that engage in the discourse. Very few of these people actually have any true experience when it comes to game balancing and look at balancing in a vacuum context of their own heroes or parrot the opinions of the streamers without considering/understanding them fully and forming their own thoughts. And on top of that, as Flats says, the folks who speak up are already a minority of the playerbase.
At the end of the day, I think folks need to stop acting as if they know what's best for the game when they simply don't have the data to make a truly informed decision. They have the annecdotal experiences of a certain group of players along with their own experiences, all skewed in some way, and with no true experiencing actually working as a dev to balance a game across the board. While I'm of course not saying that the devs can do no wrong, because of course they can, I'm also sick of people acting as if everything they do is stupid and they know better because the devs have made some missteps in balancing.
As KarQ says, I'm certainly not envious of the dev's who have to deal with game balance, because not only are there a ton of variables to consider, the ripple effect of one change can be immense. On top of this, unintentional and unseen side effects of certain changes are nigh impossible to predict and balance around without a sizeable player base to actually play it, and on top of all that it's a sheer fact that not everyone can be pleased at any given moment, there will always be losers and winners. And unfortunately in the case of OW especially, the negative sentiments are far more prominent than positive ones whether waranted or otherwise.
All this to say, this has to be a two sided street. The devs can't rely solely on data and analytics to balance the game and ignore complaints players have that aren't reflected in it, but the players also can't go armchair game dev and pretend as if the actual devs have no idea what they're doing and no reason to do what they do. I think this patch is as good an example of this as we can get, what with how up in arms people were despite it generally being a big improvement to game state if we're to analyse it objectively. Given enough time and some genuine, constructive feedback, there's no reason why things can't go up from here. But there has to be an effort from the community as well in a manner that doesn't turn the discourse into "5v5 is an unbalanceable shitshow, devs are clueless and stupid, bring back 6v6".
@@DragonEdge10 Neither of your points intersect with each other the way you want them to.
Players DO have data. I have all the patch notes and can point to them and say "Blizzard doesn't know what they are doing". That's not being an "arm chair" dev - The game hasn't been in a good state since release. If there hasn't been a SINGLE good moment in the games life cycle, I'm allowed to say the devs are failing and have no clear vision. End of discussion.
Blizzard can look at their data all they want - but they aren't making a single logical decision with any changes that are introduced. Some heroes are balanced for Bronze, some heroes are balanced for top end players, some heroes are middle of the road. That's fine - but if a top tier player is playing a hero that is "focused" towards a low level player, they should still be able to pop off or have an impact. Mercy can't - and she's the "ideal" low tier "entry" hero. If you can't make a literal heal bot good at the low end and the high end, it doesn't matter how much data you have - you are shit at design and balance.
So if we, as players, have data that shows that the game has never been stable, and Blizzard themselves can't interpret their own data and community sentiment.... I think we can all agree that Blizzard is the one failing.
KarQ's opinion on development holds no weight to the discussion, you are literally just doing what you accuse everyone else of doing. You are taking the words of a top tier player and just parroting it. Blizzards job would be a whole lot easier if they followed the basic template of creating a team based hero shooter, but they had to try and be different and now you are seeing them reap what they sowed - a massive out of control mess that no one has a clear answer on how to fix.
@@WeinerTouchy I've no intentions to argue with someone that's clearly already made up their mind that they're right. You are exactly the type of person I was talking about. Believe what you want. At the very least I don't care to get into a futile argument. I'll go enjoy the game. I'm sorry you can't.
And also, I'm parroting a sentiment that it's hard to balance a game? Really? Funny you should say that, considering I've actually worked in game development myself. I'm using KarQ's stance as a means to demonstrate I share the same sentiment. So many of the people going on about 5v5 or 6v6 barely understand the reasoning behind half the arguments being made. But if me acknowledging that I and most the community are not remotely qualified to balance as some seem to think, then sure, I'm parroting the opinion.
It feels like I’m playing gigantic but my tank randomly screams HAHAAA and falls over
"Inside me there are two wolves" ahh thumbnail😂
I think that the reason we're in this "1v1 with spectators" situation is that single-tank doesn't allow for compensation.
If one support is playing dive lucio, the other can compensate for the low healing by going ana or bap.
If one DPS is shooting the tank on soldier, the other can compensate by playing disruption like sombra or echo.
If one tank is constantly charging the enemy team on rein, there's no second tank to compensate by playing defensively on sigma.
Hell, in the DPS case, if both DPS are "feeding" the supports at this point can both DPS and support at the same time
Baptiste and Illari do great damage with good to great healing.
Ana can do good damage and facilitate the other support with her nade giving bonus healing.
Kiriko can fully DPS and Suzu the tank once low.
And Moira, for how memed she is, can do both constant damage and constant healing if her orbs are used in good and effective ways
And with the healing passive, if you play smart, you don't even need the supports to constantly heal you as a DPS
The only role that is unable to be compensated by any of the other roles is tank, even with some of the tanky-est DPS like Mei or Bastion, they pale in comparison to any of the tanks for being able to midgate damage or being able to tank damage
anyone feels the pickable passives do negate some of the need to constantly counterswap? for eg, ball with unyielding can somewhat still hang even they have sombra.
This thumbnail is literally just "Flats could be your Rainhard or your Mouger"
"Im normal during the day but at night turn into a sigma" ahh thumbnail
You can't have tanks be proportionally stronger than the rest of the roles. If you do, it becomes too big of a swing in momentum when one of them dies. And it guarantees that the other team cannot help but be forced to focus-fire the tank-it's too hard to ignore them when they're that powerful. What they _actually_ need to do is rework tanks so they are only as powerful as the other players, not more powerful. Their class identity needs to be more unique without being more powerful. There's only two ways to do that. Either you go back to 6v6, or you need to be willing to sacrifice all of the tank identities when you rework them. So far, the dev team doesn't seem willing to do either, which is why this problem won't go away.
I can see your point, it's pretty much impossible to balance off tanks in 5v5. Doom is pretty much a dps on steroids, if the intent of the solo tank is to cover all the possible holes in the team composition, you are forced to change their identity indeed. As Doom, how can you hold the line if your ultimate is a escape tool lol it makes no sense. If Doom had a super powered punch who generated tons of shields, so he hits the punch and stay holding the line like a proper tank... but nope, you use the dps Doom ultimate to combo abilities as fast as possible to kill maybe one or two targets (meanwhile Mauga's ultimate kills the same targets with 10% of the effort). The devs are not willing to rework either of these characters among other plethora of oddities, etc.. it's just horrendous
as a casual overwatch player i barely notice any changes through the time ive played it. the only things i notice are like ability changes, new heros and maybe other major changes. But when i think about it the way i feel about changes alot, i used to barely play it around the release of overwatch 2 but around the release of venture and now ive been playing it alot more as it feels alot better to play.
Terraria music is making me feel like installing Calamity Mod
Do it
I've been wanting to play through it again since it's been updated a bunch!
DO IT ITS WORTH IT
oh no the thumbnail has flats' evil twin, rounds
Describing the OW state as “politics” is actually a really fucking great comparison.
Reality is ass, so discussing it is actually way more fun and engaging than partaking in it.
Not even mentioning how 5x5 against 6x6 pretty much became political parties lmao.
The problem with tank is that armor is so dependent on survive now. Tanks like hog, sometimes even JQ, just get eliminated if they don’t have enough heals in time. Especially hog. They broke armor tanks, and made tanks with no armor forgettable.
Of course a roll that gets overturned, it will feel better
overwatch has been a game of rock paper scissors but your allowed to change your answer since it launched. now your just forced to change your answer instead of sticking to one
OTPs were universally hated back in Overwatch 1, the only difference were there were more concrete resources (for both peel and cc) that they were allowed to operate or be carried. Any OW vet has seen the terrible queue times that prolific OTP's had to deal with.
OW2 now actively punishes you for that and people don't like that.
@@MhnFive i agree with this but there has to be a middle ground between one tricking and a revolving spawn door of people switching, and i honestly dont think they will be able to find it because people care about winning over everything in current multiplayer games
@@MhnFive imo the reason OTPs got hate was because it in some cases forced the rest of the team to play around them or in a way they don’t like
Now in OW2 your Tank is like a OTP except it doesn’t matter what they play because there’s only 1 tank
Another reason to not like OTPs is because Counters were in the game the good thing was that it took skill to overcome the Counter or be a good Counter
Now that Countering has gone too far being able to pick 1 character and stay on that character is not very viable even if you’re a OTP
Imo it wasn’t one tricking in a match that ruined others experience it was forcing a single pick every match that did it
Flats plz start recreating horror movie posters for your thumbnails when talking about the state of overwatch 2
I have a passion for it, I love getting angry and I love winning, but when I can’t talk shit to my teammate and the enemy and I get suspended for a month. There’s something wrong.
to eliminate couter swap you need to eliminate the fact that you can change hero in the game like paladins ( in rank paladins there is 4 hero ban from each team and when you pick a character you have to play it for the whole game they have 3x time the overwatch roster tho plus it a single hero pick like if i pick rein the other team cant pick rein i feel that those setting make rank good but it seem like overwatch doesnt want to take thing from other game and want to do their thing but the healing reduced buff it a thing and was alaways a thing in paladins like 5v 5 and it pretty good in paladins plus you regen health when you out of combat it was always in paladins too ) those setting can be really good if balance corectly in overwatch idea like in rank every team vote to ban 2 hero each and single pick hero can be reallly good but you need to add more hero in the roster and i feel like ow2 are very slow to add a character in paladins before it wat every 3 month now that the game is old and less people they dont make new hero but before it was every 3 month dont forget that the company behind paladins is less known and less rich than blizzard so why it so hard to blizzard to add 1 hero every 3 month so you keep a lot of people playing the game instead of juste the hardcore player and in paladins when there was a new hero he wasnt avalaibnle for the whole season in rank so they can balance thisa new character before adding him in the next season
Terraria cavern level music is peak
Need to play terraria again😅
"tank is more fun"
Also ball: you get to reload slightly faster and give away your shield wooooo
They literally didn't fix any of balls issues, but I'm so glad the other tanks are just giga busted. Winston genuinely feels like a better ball right now, I've just been playing him and you can actually kill things without putting in nearly as much effort.
Bro I don't even play Overwatch anymore but I'm still here for Flats in practice range talking about the game.
Imagine getting flamed for trying to protect your team while they all bunch up in one spot, no flanks, no high ground, just standing still while shooting and getting no kills, while simultaneously getting 5v1’d because your team would rather blame you and watch you get heavy focused then say, “cry and uninstall, you clearly can’t play n*****”, then after the game you get a suspension from reports cause your entire team decided to false report and bully you in chat. That’s been me the last 3 seasons and it’s frustrating enough I literally had to uninstall for awhile cause I got tired of being blamed and called n-word in chat and vc(doesn’t help that I am black and enjoy playing, and almost every time I say something in chat, I’m met with blames and racism) which blows my mind. They can call me the n word repeatedly and false report me and nothing happens, I say “f*ck” once and I literally couldn’t play for half the day. Terrible. Some days I just wanna play tank, and this has been the only time I’ve actually been able to just enjoy being a tank
This is not so important for what you have to say, but if I remember correctly, it doesn't matter if one person or the entire lobby reports you, it still counts as one report.
@@tamas21145 does it? Cause if that’s the case, then I’d have to say that makes it extra egregious, cause that means they went out of their way to report me multiple times, cause these weren’t over time suspensions, I mean I would log out and log back in and be immediately met with a report and suspension notice
Poor guy is in denial
Denial over what?
Is he a doomer or a shill in this comment? 😂
It's like asking a Apple employee to talk shit about the iPhone, lol I never really paid attention to "streamers", it feels more like a comedy sketch than anything else, these people earns money to promote horrible games such as Overwatch "2" or TW Warhammer "3", they start saying positive things to sustain relevance, but the facade shatters quickly
chat saying “tank won’t be fixed until counterswapping is fixed” is hilarious because that guys probably a 5v5er and he doesn’t even realize his format is causing the issue he’s complaining about
before the 5v5ers come to this comment and bury me alive, ask yourself this: was counterswapping ever a major issue in 6v6? because the answer to that is no
now you may think that ball players getting 1 person to swap sombra is counterpicking but at least it wasn’t the whole team because they still had another tank to worry about
Ranked actually feels better than Quick Play, which is insane to think about. In Ranked you have a closer matching of skill, which means the gap between tanks likely isn't that big. But in Quick Play? Holy hell the games feel impossible sometimes. Especially as someone who plays in a group with a wide skill gap, the games often feel really bad because the enemy's high ranked player is on tank while our silver player is on tank. Quick Play right now feels really messy.
I only play ranked now because its the only way to get some sense of the balancing in the game
“There’s a star man” ahh thumbnail
'ahh thumbnail'
@@ssjnovanLoool that's so cringe
brain rot comment
@@SomeNerd-hn2is good one SomeNerd! everyone here is probably cringe and degenerative to a degree it just makes u look worse...
@@SomeNerd-hn2is no subscribers comment
So pretty much what we all expected. Tank is now fun to play somewhat because they're all fucking kaiju's now, but none of the issues that make tank hell were actually addressed at all. So basically instead of dad beating us every day after he gets off work, he's only hitting us once every day instead. Truly we should be grateful!
More like taking us for ice cream afterwards
When people say “if you don’t like it leave” they don’t mean “get out idiot!” they mean “hey take a little break from OW because you’re probably getting sick of it. Play some other games or do other things then come back and it’ll feel fresh again.
Nah anybody who says leave just wants to say stfu without getting banned
With the new pickable passives I think they could fix a lot of the biggest issues. Giving every hero two hero specific passive choices, one offensive and one defensive specifically targeted to enhance their biggest strength or strengthen their biggest weakness would fix a lot of the counter swaps issues. It wouldn't get rid of hard counters which is simply impossible to really get rid of BUT being able to swap from your offensive passive to your defensive one to alleviate some of the pressure a counter swap has on you so you don't have to swap would make the game feel a lot better. For example ball having an offensive passive that decreased cooldowns based on movement speed to promote fast aggressive play BUT a defensive one that you can swap to if you need extra help that shortens debuff durations like stuns and sleeps that counter his movement so he can still enjoy the game albeit less effectively would be very nice
Flats is back on the fence!
tmw blizz emailed flats his nda for space ranger and he legally has to stop bullying the devs for a month
It might be fun for tank players to be buffed but it’s no longer fun for anyone else especially in quick play where you go for a warm up or a quick few rounds for fun it ruins the vibes when you actually need to try your ass off to enjoy it
I literally have been saying this since the patch dropped in the comment section of sooooooo many videos it’s not even funny. Now that a popular CC said it ppl are gonna treat it like word of law and are gonna tell me im regurgitating what they said 🤦♂️.
What did Devs say at the launch of OW2??
"Tanks will feel like fighting a raid boss"
Then they abandoned that identity. For what?
Because it was bad? Everyone else was just getting rolled. Not to mention some tanks have always just been better. Seems like we're going right back to overly tank tanks.
Because it was a horrible idea? Were you not there for the Zarya meta or was your rank just to low?
Make open queue 6v6 😈
20v20 no limits or no balls
@@Real_MisterSir HELL YEAH!
Matchmaking is just fucked man. You either get rolled, you roll them, or the rare cases where both sides are just evenly matched
Why does everyone all of a sudden think we were wrong and over reacting to mid season 11? They literally patch and hot fix it instantly because we were right. If you were playing every game agaist unnerfed ram and unnerfed pharah the way the patch actually intended i'm sure this video wouldn't exist.
This patch is pretty bad.
The QP hacked is kinda fun.
Cant wait for the 6v6 director's take.
these bots are a plague oml
Me when I get a lifeweaver on my team
You must not have any real problems, then. How nice for you.
@@xDjembex dawg what was the point of commenting this
Bot
@@RattlebonesTheThird "if the problem isn't that big, then you're just a whiner!!!!!"
"what do you mean you're allowed to care about multiple things?"
its almost as they need to do the work of an extra tank, like the game was designed to have 2 tanks.
its the same problem with league of legends have with some champions, Yuumi have trouble in balacing because of a design issue, in League, enchanters supports buffs the other team but are super fragile, by disabling the option to focus the champions that buffs (AKA Yuumi, she enters the carry and can't be targeted) you cant balance it with numbers.
I really really liked the Mauga we got to play during blizzcon. That being said it may have just been hype because it was the first time they'd done something like that. IMO mauga should be rebalanced into a poke tank focusing on the flow between shooting left to right.
How do we get that? Idk. But i have some ideas:
- Beef up the single (left to right) damage while making double (both) do less damage and be super short range (within 5m or less).
This would make double have a similar function to widow's SMG. i.e., not particularly useful for securing kills but can save you if you get rushed by someone.
- Change CO (cardiac overdrive) to focus on only one of the things it currently does.
Right now it boosts your team, grants Mauga mega-boosted life steal and overhealth.
What i think I'd do is delete the overhealth portion, focusing on the life-steal part with a cap at base max health, then remove the AOE part of it and change it so it can be either projected or used on yourself like a single use version of Zar's bubbles.
I can see how it could go badly giving other heroes Mauga's level of life-steal, but I'm imagining an ability that rewards timing it perfectly, like giving it to a blading Genji or a blossoming Reaper to keep them alive for the duration of the ult.
- Make it so overrun's immunity to CC has a trade-off of some kind.
I'm thinking something like making him take more damage during overrun, making it so using overrun gives him the Anti affect, or making it so overrun doubles or even triples the DPS passive strength on him during it's duration (So it goes from 10% to 20/30% during overrun).
Essentially, make it so overrun is intentionally an escape ability first, allowing him to get out of bad situations without the hinderance of CC, but punish him for using it to get close to his opponents. This is the kind of ability that should only be used as a last resort.
Those are my best ideas but i don't see a mauga with all of that being a balanced mauga, he'd probably be niche at best.
Blizzard recently seems to have forgotten concept of how a character's physical design and hitboxes can affect balancing. By that i mean that the most broken thing about Mauga is his size, his hitboxes. He's too much of a bullet magnet for him to not have the broken survivability and still be viable. Mauga cannot be balanced, only overpowered or underpowered.
Mauga is the worst example of this hitbox issue, but I'd say Venture, Kiri, and Sojourn have it too to a lesser extent. Plus they've changed older heroes without taking it into account too, like Hog and Rein. All of those examples fall on different ends of the balancing see-saw, and it all shows a fatal flaw in how blizzard seems to be doing things now.
You were right initially. This doesn't feel fun for anyone but the dominating tank. And, maybe it's just me, but I don't want a game "shook up" just for the hell of it. I am so sick of this GAAS model. I want to just buy a game, get good at it, and enjoy it.
exactly, feels like i get whiplash with constant 'shakeups'. like if a game needs "shakeups" every couple of months, to me its just a cop-out in lieu of actual balance.
As someone who’s been Thinking along the lines of “why don’t they just leave?!” (I don’t use twitter or major social media. It’s healthier to not post there) I get flats compliant about those saying such things online but for me personally… I’ve developed this mentality recently. Why? Because THE ARGUING DOESNT STOP! I’ve waited and waited and waited to just engage with the community about a game I enjoyed but all I see is people talking about how much they hate the game and when I DARE to say “that’s fine! I personally have a good time but I understand if you’re not enjoying it.” I get called stupid and made fun of for not adding to the “Grr! I hate Overwatch rn” talk. I’m so fucking sick of it. I’ve been binge watching frogger lately because his channel (main one at least) is a fun place to enjoy Overwatch with him. Of course other content creators have their videos that are just about playing with the community and I like those, but I swear 80% of Overwatch stuff that isn’t porn is just constant criticism. And I don’t mind criticism! It’s why I put up with nearly a year of this! But what’s annoying me is that it’s THE SAME ARGUMENTS. It’s the same talking points over and over again for nearly a year and it’s driving me mad.
So can you blame me to essentially ripping my hair out and screaming “GET OUT-“ when my roommate has been saying the same negative shit a the the diner table EVERY NIGHT WITHOUT FAIL for over a year?
I also practice what I preached. Because it was driving me mad, I left. I went to play splatoon, persona 3, my favorite rhythm games, stuff that I can still go look at community made content and not see a war 24/7. Yeah there might be controversies but the community talks it out and MOVES ON after a month max.
But yeah I get it. It’s is rude and kinda a hard ask to just tell people to play something else for once. But that rudeness isn’t coming from nowhere. A teen shouldn’t be surprised if they they kept bullying their sibling for an entire year and now that sibling is sick of them and wants them out their sight. It’s an emotional reaction yes and now that I’ve practiced what I’ve preached and left for a while to cool off. I do hope we can reunite as a community again, somehow.
I understand where you’re coming from, the problem is (for both 5v5 and 6v6 sides, and balancing issues) is that nothing new really changes. For OW2 the longest time characters like soj and kiri haven’t seen the bottom of A tier (let alone B tier) because of how strong they are. And then other characters become problematic because they got buffed too much, which makes people complain about those characters, which then leads to the devs 9 times out of 10 not nerfing the characters correctly and/or buffing them in the wrong ways and makes people complain about them more. We basically have been complaining about the same things but under the illusion that “Oh it’s a different character so it’s different” or something along those lines, and it’s not. It’s just stupid to see the game and problems that people want addressed but they just completely ignore them for other random and unimportant changes (usually)
Yeah I think the issue with what Flats was saying about this to me was that he said it as if the people saying "why don't you just leave" say it as a first response and not as a response to someone that was already bullheadedly and disingenously "engaging in debate". The reason why this is being said as a response in the first place is because such a large part of the people engaging in community discourse cannot accept agreeing to disagree, they're right, you're wrong (of course, this usually just boils down to 5v5 sucked, 6v6 better, OW devs are stupid and deserve to fail, which regardless of the validity of either sides of the debate it's simply become to lionised to actually be civil or meaningful).
So yeah, when I see someone being this toxic to the point where it's actively making other people miserable (and probably themselves as well) that they're engaging in this community, yeah they should stop playing the game and move on.
I completely understand you. When I'm just goofing around in the game or mainly just talking with my friends and the game is to some extent "just a background," I find myself really enjoying it. I think it's very unreasonable for people to just bash out at anyone for disagreeing with them and I like to believe that is the case for most. The reason why I personally don't comment much online as well is for that same unhinged nature. Even so, I also understand why people "hate this game." Truthfully, I think what most people mean when they say that at least when it comes to OW is "I like this game but it's simply too frustrating." As far as I'm aware there is/are no game/s that "feels" like OW. There are similar games, but they don't capture the same energy OW does. I believe it's the same for other people as well and that is why they simply can't leave. Also, since this game is competitve by nature then there will be constant push for change, as to how this game will shift is up to blizzard itself. The extent they choose to listen to their audience is up to them, and if they choose to do so then who do they listen to? Everyone will want the game in different spots. Think of peoples opinions like lines in a graph, some will meet at some coordinates and some may be at complete opposites. Some people don't care about the competitve nature and others just want sweat dripping down their asscheeks. Whatever you or anyone desires is fine at the end it's just a game. I think what really gets people mad is that there are some things that the playerbase overall agree with and they do speak out about such changes just for blizzard to ignore them, do the opposite, or make such change in a way does not directly reflect what the audience wanted to see. I think a better way to make this clearer would be everyone in agreememt says right but they do nothing, go left, or go right at a weird angle. I've been playing this game since 2018 both as a sweaty and a "casual' gamer. Now I play it less than I used to because truly I only enjoy it when I'm playing it with the bros. I would also love to see the game in a spot where everyone is just enjoying being with eachother no matter how you choose to participate in this game, but finding the sweetspot is just too difficult with such a fluctuating complicated playerbase and in my opinion a complicated and to some extent incompetent dev team. You are 100% correct though, if this games makes people so miserable they should just leave. People love this game, but they just love it too much to the point they'll subjugate themselves to it and the insanity surrounding it. I'm no exception, and based and what you've said I think you stand in a similar position. I hope we can all love loving this game at some point. Sorry for making this too long and if it's incoherent. If you or anyone read all of this thank you, I really appreciate it. Take care.
Like Flats said, this game is not garnering any new players. Just because you're personally sick of the arguments doesn't mean you should be telling your fellow community members to leave and find a new game. They complain and argue because they CARE. You think its frustrating to constatnly see this criticism, but how do you think they feel?
They completely took away OW1 from us, forced us into a format that nobody asked for, spent 11 seasons doing nothing to change or address the core complaints of overwatch 2, and finally just now decided to announce there will be a dev blog addressing 6v6. So yeah they're probably just as, if not more frustrated than you.
To be quite honest, I'm glad people are having these debates, becasue it shows there are plenty of people that still care about this game, despite all the stuff its been through. SO yes please stop telling community members to leave or play something else. If anything you need to remove yourself from the conversation if you cannot handle seeing it without becoming frustrated.
@@goofinboots2284 oh I understand! The rest of my initial post was talking about how my feeling are emotionally based and I did in fact leave for a while and I’m in a better state of mind. I’m also aware of how those who are arguing feel. I said in my initial post “I understand how unreasonable of an ask that is for some” because I know all of this is out of love for the game.
But part of the point of sharing my experience on this is that this situation is making EVERYONE more miserable in the community. And it’s not necessarily healthy.
What I’m doing is what my licensed therapist that I’ve been going to for years tells me to do. “If you’re drowning in misery and you have the ability to leave it. Leave. Save your sanity.” Of course this is much harder to do for content creators as their lives are tied to the game. And even more so for those who have history with the game in general! If you love the game it’s hard to leave!
We all know that even though the internet always amplifies problems, the root to the issues is the lack of well maintained communication from blizzard as well as corporate greed from CEOs. Why are the players, people whose only power in regards to the game is yelling and playing/ not playing the game, trying THIS HARD to change the game. It’s out of love of course but we have to remember It’s essentially out of our hands. Again pulling more stuff from therapy because it’s been helpful. “Don’t over stress what you don’t have direct control over. You can only do so much. Do that then destress.” The community at large forgets the “them destress” part far too often.
And you mentioned how I should probably leave instead as “I should avoid the debates stressing me out”. Again, I have, but my big problem and why I commented initially as well is that there isn’t anywhere in the community to avoid this anymore more. Normally it’s super easy to do this regarding fandoms and communities. I’ve done it before (for example I enjoy My Hero Academia community stuff while avoiding the hell zones. I know how to avoid that junk lol). But the situation in Overwatch has gotten so intense, so prolific, that there’s hardly anywhere to go. I don’t want to leave. It’s why I keep peaking in to see if things got better. I agree with flats too. The game isn’t gaining new players like one would hope. But the player base tearing each other apart isn’t helping outside players wanting to join. And of course blizzard itself isn’t doing great with that either. There used to be an escape from the debate, it’s why it took me a whole year to get annoyed. But I and others like me feel like polar bears on melting ice caps. Overall being a terrible situation for all parties involved.
But yeah I’m sympathetic to the complaints of the community. King blizzard hasn’t been nice to its kingdom of Overwatch but we have to remember that there’s only so much we can do to yell about how things are run. Tearing each other apart while we wait for blizzard to care is exhausting for everyone. We are ALL upset because we care about the game. We just have different mentalities on dealing with the corporate version of an abusive partner. Some of y’all are daring enough to stay in the house and fight every day to hope it gets better. Folks like me rather move out and maybe visit every now and then but overall we don’t want to in the same room as abusive blizzard for extended periods of time.
I hope the community can heal from this in general! Discussion online has gotten so vitriolic. Hopefully the dev blog coming out can make discussion normal again and not so violent towards each other (because I feel Overwatch debates will never end. Which isn’t a bad thing, as long as it’s healthy.)
Ngl everyone’s reply to my message gave me a little more hope in the community pulling itself back into unity. Everyone has been very reasonable and kind in their replies even if they disagree and I hope the community can normalize this more.
"With the great power comes great responsibilty." - Spiderman's uncle.
10:19 Not if you let Blizzard "rework" him, Blizzard thinks "rework" means "give him one new ability, and buff something else," not "redesign the entire character's kit from the ground up," the way a rework should be. To Blizzard, a rework is synonymous with "buff them to an insane degree while changing as little as actually possible."
Imposing some consequences to counterswapping (ie. longer respawn time) and changing the hitmarker audios to sound less satisfying when you shoot a tank would be way better for the tank experience than just mindlessly buffing them
Also, give defense matrix a visual indicator that it's low (such as it turning red or something)
Dva to dps heroes is like dps Doom to supports and Zen to tanks, and playing against a Dva as dps can be hell sometimes
We wouldn’t have to complicate our lives by implementing consequences for swapping if hard counters had more counter play options.
Or maybe just make a format where counterswapping isn't as oppressive and low skill attainable?... like idk making tanks much weaker, but then having 2 of them instead so there isn't only one you can counter directly.
I just hope the pickable passives DOESN'T get implemented. They just need to continue rounding out heroes so their identities stay unique. Counter swapping is part of the game, and the pickables feels like a bandaid fix. It's like in League, where sometimes it's hard to determine if it's the rune or the champ's base stats (maybe a bad example)
Counter swapping is brainless and unfun. People swap characters every death just to counter you, and you can’t play what you want to play.
League you can counter pick. But you are stuck with who you pick. League would be 10x worse if you could swap characters on the fly.
@@UltraKardascounterswapping is the goal of the game tho. It was with the inception and always rewarded you for it
@@user-uv6qu3wb5d No dude. Heroes have ults for a reason, and the game is becoming less about skill, ults, and playing smart to "hahaha get hard countered".
When the teams swap characters every single death, its getting out of hand.
@@user-uv6qu3wb5dcounter swapping kills the game. People can't play the hero they want and so they quit.
@user-uv6qu3wb5d Losing all but 15% ult charge means that I won't swap if I have 45% ult charge or higher, even if I'm being spawn killed.
Imo per hero passives are the way to go - the ability to customize your character embraces each character's identity in a way that I really like. I'd also be pretty happy with strategies that you opt into like snowballing off of kills, not dying, a certain crit ratio, crit chance on body shots, reduced or increased ult charge speed, trade health for armor, trade health and damage / range for speed.. there's a lot of opportunities here.
I like the idea that while I may not like X character right now, I may like X character with Y passive / strategy
OW- please stop shitting on our game.
Flats- Why?
OW- money?
Flats- I HAD A DREAM!
I called it that this patch wouldn't be this bad compared with what everyone was saying the second I seen it. Especially with the mauga changes that people were saying were buffs
Even on current tank it still feels like supports are more impactful
FINALLY JESUS YALL ARE SO DRAMATIC ALWAYS
lmao ikr. When I saw his title for the patch I rolled my eyes because yeah it seemed a bit odd but fucking "the worst patch in overwatch history"? C'mon
everyone is always dramatic especially content creators this ain’t new lmao
@@PolrisTired it is. This patch is genuinely awful.
They gotta be dramatic. They don’t get those overwatch hater views without the melodramatic clickbait titles. Everyone in the comments like “time to uninstall” and blah blah blah. Hope they all go so we get a more positive community.
@@heavenlysonayup. They gotta get views and make money somehow.
flats stop being a shill and be honest and say 6v6 is better you know deep down it is.
Holy fuck go outside, he has his own opinion and doesn’t have to parrot the 6v6 heads to have a valid opinion.
Jesus fucking christ bro. I can’t stand people like you who call content creators "shills".
You don't even know what a shill is.
@@thorodinson1064the meaning was lost. Now if you refuse to absentmindedly hate the game for any little bitty reason and throw your arms up and scream and cry you’re “shilling for blizzard” reasonable thinking isn’t tolerated. Only doom and gloom.
@@thorodinson1064 he is tho.
I had actually played Overwatch 1 once when I was hanging out with my cousin. I hadn't seen anything Overwatch again until I found the "Sequel" this summer, and I love the game. I'm sure the problems will get bigger when I get higher in the ranks.
Nope
hey man just wanted to say that despite having no interest in ever playing OW, I love your content. Super interesting watching what's going on with this game from the sideline and you're making it exceptionally fun to do so :D
16:11 my uncles play Overwatch like 5 hours a week and they have hated this patch so much. They're going back to playing Sea of Thieves. They don't have fun with giga buffed tank just walking over them
"I can be your angle or youre divel" -flats probably
If dps players are upset then good, they need to try a different role anyway because of how consistently oversaturated dps queue is
I.. may be the only one thats somewhat getting this but i my genuine isssue with the whole patch (and potentially recent seasons) is how much players dont seem to understand the concept of swapping.
Counterswapping sucks loads of ass and I 1000% hate it. But whne push comes to shove theres times where just having to swap is the play. I always give my allies fair trial and snie some positive pointers (considering my team and I are all in the same rank so we have to try to play as one). I love playing Ram and theres times where i dont want to genuinely swap because the enemy hard counters me. It sucks but i think the key point for me honestly is that swapping gave me a hole of opportunity to learn new tanks and rock new play styles. I dont know if its just me but its how ive taken the awful situation this current meta is and find to make twist to it
Its just boring. You only do that so many times before you realize the entire game play and "skill" of the game is pressing H when you die and clicking on a certain heroes face. Swapping is fine, when there is actually good gameplay alongside it, when the entire game is just counter picking, dying, counter picking again, I just dont think thats engaging enough to keep most people into the game
" I dont know if its just me but its how ive taken the awful situation this current meta is and find to make twist to it" Well its good youre enjoying the game but I was feeling like this a few seasons ago, I just think its a short lived solution, the devs need to address the issue not the entire playerbase needs to cope and be miserable forced to never play what they want. Its just not sustainable in the long term i.e you say it gave you an "opportunity to learn new tanks" what about when you played enough that you learned them already and now the swapping is just being forced to play heroes you dont want. Its not that we cant counter swap its that its just boring and cringe once you realize the entire game is just rock paper scissors.
Some of that “blame the tank” is unjustified though. wtf do you do when their tank has bap, kiriko, illari behind them meanwhile you have mercy, Moira, lifeweaver and they are too stubborn to swap.
I thought to myself “pickable passives? Game saved?” I hadn’t played the game in ages, got back. It took me a round to realize nothing really changed. They still went triple-h (Hack, Hook, Hinder) and they still went Ana + Brig. We have a genji, not a single one of those heroes are a beam. It’s as if I’m the only player on my team now.
I think the patch was insane.
But...
I think we just went back to pre- season 9. Still the only not fun thing is it's still the same tank tunnel vision damage spam, and counter spam because tank op loop..
I just don't enjoy being the only one responsible for wins and loses. At least being the majority factor.
Kinda just stopped playing, same with pretty much everyone I played with.
I hate Sombra being the game breaker in most of my games. Playing for fun is pretty much non-option as my girlfriend who's playing Ana is constantly killed by Sombra or Tracer.
Sure I might kill them few times in a game, but they'll get way more value when I'm hunting them as our tank is getting smashed in the frontline.
As a mercy main this patch has definitely opened more opportunities for me to DMG boost tank and it NOT be a complete waste.
Everyone can contribute to a fight and has their own value plays, but focus is put on the tank because of how the role is presented and perceived.
Tank usually leads a comp because of the fantasy and purpose around the role. Its tank-sized hp bar permits it to initiate some plays and it's up to the rest of the team to pick up on that and synergize with the tank. This is exacerbated when you call a tank 'raid boss'. They're no longer a unit with a unique kit, they're like a 'do-it-all', front-of-the-line playmaker and outcome decider.
Due to that nature of the tank role as well as having just a single tank slot on a team, this creates the game-sense of considering the tank like the IGL or battle commander. That's why tanks get flamed when something doesn't work or you're getting rolled or continually losing team fights.
This was a crazy patch. I've been playing tank (im a dps main), and going through my rank placements, i only play ram, and I haven't lost a match it's legit insane
9:40 for the flauga shout, good day.
I'll be honest, community is the main reason which sent me on a long break from OW2.
I would say stuff which im completely right about but content creators haven't talked about then people would jump and say how im a bad player or noob to say that only to be completely proven right when a content creator talks about it.
Like the ranked system, i said no one has clue how the ranked system works, and people started flaming me for it saying how perfect the rank system is. when its not, and I was proven completely right by lot of devs coming out and saying that.
I felt like the community was way more toxic than league ever can be. In league sure people are toxic but they would never be like "you are wrong shut up" they would actually tell me why im wrong with hard facts, in OW that's not the case.... they say "you are wrong cuz u r saying bad stuff about the game" is basically the argument.
basically the game is dying so bad that the community is so scared to talk about the bad stuff that they get super defensive about everysingle thing and get toxic to players who are actually talking about it. which makes it way more toxic than league, cause what's happening i people being super defensive to the point its ridiculous and no convo is happening.
He really just wanted to squeeze in a kaiju reference and i'm all for it😂❤
Tank main: "It feels good! But It's weird... Idk how''
No shit Flats
That's why it's entertaining to watch "streamers" talking about their games of choice, this "Flats" is obviously biased because he earns money to promote this game willing or not, but it's just so awful, he can't sustain the arguments lol
nah this man is polishing the devs shafts
They really messed up with the individual buffs this patch. They made most of the tanks stronger at what they are already good at instead of helping them cover up some of their weaknesses which just makes them easier to counter swap.
crazy ass thumbnail bruh (keep doing this)
I feel like echo is low key slept on right now
So to say that you shouldn't pause the game if it's not fun, I find it a very strange approach. I've played Rainbow Six Siege for 8 years and at some point it's just enough, and falling numbers are the only thing companies understand.