Look at twitch viewership now... the state of game, players aren't enjoying it anymore. Litertally 25k on a holiday break watching... so damn low its embarrassing honestly. I remember watching 50-80k. Nobody really cares about getting better at this moment too, a lot of it is just players get on and play a couple games and hop off until they're bored again.
I just feel sad that there's nothing they can do currently to make me play this game again, and i used to love this game. Pve is a joke and they don't care about the workshop, which still insane to me that they don't invest in the workshop anymore. At the end of the day, why would i go back to ow? To grind for skins that i used to have for free? And on top of that ow 2 reworks are not worthy of the "2", the Rog rework for example is basically the same exact character but a bit different, how is that a rework?
@dgiorr Roadhog rework bad??Bro he was the worst character in the game for multiple seasons and now he's finally a viable pick and you think it was a terrible rework because you think it didn't change anything? Hate to break it to you but not every rework has to change every single ability to something new. Sometimes it just requires minimal changes to how you play the character to be a rework.
They got somethin cooking in the background, lets hope this "Neon Prime" isn't just another 90% finished game that gets shelved due to internal complications.
"Weve already hit the floor" Nah, even with the PVE thing id say thats more so a horrible mess thats gonna take alot to recover from but to say thats gonna the be the "bottom floor" is just wishful thinking, it can still get worse, idk how but gaming companies will find a way
Getting "Promised the world and gave us Rhode Island" on a shirt cause that's a fire line and I love the thought of making a trip to Rhode Island just to flaunt that shirt
A stable player base is not necessarily a good thing for a f2p game. Since only a small amount of players will spend any amount of money, this puts a hard ceiling on the amount of revenue the game can make, especially after lootboxes were removed. The game needs to constantly pump out new content to keep money flowing in, which the current team has proven to struggle with.
There only so many skins people will buy. The real money for f2p games comes from weapons and upgrades but OW doesn't have that. Characters have character specific guns that can't change and two weeks into OW2 I can't figure out if I'm even able to improve my stats. Not to mention the battle pass garbage I had to go through just to sign into the game
@@Wolfman7870 League has neither, DOTA has neither, CSGO has neither, Valorant has neither, just like Overwatch and those are doing fine. Esports scene is a bigger factor imho for Overwatch succes than weapons and upgrades being sold, it's not COD. Heroes are meant to be stagnant cause it's meant to be competive, not who brought the better loadout.
@TappedWalnut my dude, those two factors are easily defeated by the fact that 1: Overwatch had an esports scene and it still got to this point and 2: if the characters are meant to be stagnant then you should mention that to Blizzard because they're constantly giving their characters buffs, nerfs and changing their kit which is essentially like giving them different loadouts each time
@@Droulix You really gonna be semantic when i am telling a guy Overwatch isn't COD and that improving stats/loadout isn't a thing? Also 1: The E-sports is nothing compared to what it used to be cause there is hardly any money invested. It's contenders and collegiate but no actually pro scene. 2: Stagnant as in you can't change loadout/stats my dude. Every game i mentioned has had balance patches, would be kinda fucked if we had release Brig, Xin Zhao, Monkey king etc .... wtf are you even on about, balance patches still doesn't mean heroes aren't meant to be stagnant going from game to game not patch to patch ....
People like to say "45 levels isnt that bad" which its not for someone playing the game daily but a more casual player who plays different games and has a job and family to take care of its pretty hard to get 45 levels before the charcter becomes irrelevant.
I am 23 years old with a job and yet I have almost 12 hours of free time to play videogames. I am not going to play oversuck 2 anyway but my point is that if you want to have time YOU WILL have time, you just have to want it, focus about it and being selfish enough to do whatever it takes to achieve it
@@ginocanterino258 I'm 36, I work 70h a week, have a family with kids. I have an hour and a half tops to play videogames. What you're saying is completly false. You just don't have ther other obligations yet :)
It may not be dying but you can see especially on the steam chart that even when an entire new season starts or something new gets added the player count stays around the same. It's only gonna go up or down if they continue to drive new players away
Launch week was BRUTAL. I wont stand for the erasure of what happened. I and any account that "preregistered" (so core players) in was locked out of ow2. And blizzard knew this was a problem. Preregistrating your account lead to your file being unusable on the new server. A dev communication days later explained that they already KNEW about this issue and that a solution was pushed several days out. They ddnt tell the core players who were hovering excitedand refreshing the game client for hours. Ow1 was gone i was locked out of ow2 and watching streamers get on for free. Blizzard, Communicate early and honestly. I could have stopped trying, made a sandwich or touched grass that week.
OW2 is sustaining, but the game's perception is dying. From once GOTY to now... this. Who knows what next year has in store, but once Bobby leaves, its all on them now- no one else to fall back to. And in my opinion, this year, they need to fundamentally change the gameplay of OW2, fix its monetization model, and get back player's trust through mending once broken promises. Is that all possible? Who knows. But seems like Blizzard has no other choice.
Nah this sounds retarded to me. They need public attention and that is from like a show or a new cool TH-cam shorts, story mode stuff. If they severely change the gameplay than they risk losing the games current playerbase. I’m a solo longtime player of ow I’ll always play this game, but casuals need cool new shit which requires lots of money which I hope Microsoft provides. Like idk how the fuck this idea that balance patches bring in tons of new players has any fucking traction.
Is it even possible to mend the broken promises? Nothing short of PVE coming back and absolutely blowing expectations out of the water is going to mend the trust lost over it's cancellation. I don't think anyone realistically believes that's gonna happen, so at that point why have any hope at all?
@@jamescastle7704 That's the point I was getting at. I've spouted all the things they can fix- some are achievable and some may not be. But the reason why I said the promise thing last was..... well..... A broken promise is just that. So unless they are able to turn it around other cooler things to help fill that void, alongside an excellent campaign, nothing can truly fulfill that role. As such, it will be difficult for them to recapture their once loyal fanbase and reputation. Is it possible? Yes, as we've seen with Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky. But, it will take time, and honestly, that is something Blizzard doesn't have when it comes to their audience thanks to their past. Now that Bobby is gone, they may buy themselves time to mend and fix some of that promise-whether small or big. But at this point, it's all on them, and they'll no one but themselves to blame (coughcough *Bungie* coughcough)
Would anyone else here love to see Flats give TF2 a try someday, as a way for him to see what came before and such? I absolutely love the game and still play it to this day.
@@scumknight6074Sojourn took a lot more to play consistently with and perform than Mauga comparatively upon releases. Sojourn now is definitely an alright character who's performance is great for the current meta because she is strong against the tanks that are strongest, but Mauga is literally the meta defining character rn, and Sojourn was only like that at high levels of play upon OW2 release. I don't want to go back to that, ofc, but Mauga is definitely a bigger blight on the competitive community at large for OW2.
@@kommandantkillcode They’re both incredibly un fun to fight. Any squishy should honestly just ignore Sojourn just because of her stupid burst damage output.
@@ValentinoMarino11 Most DPS have higher consistency burst damage outputs, and will win 1V1s against Soj if both are hitting their shots and getting their minimum ttks. In team fight scenarios, Sojourn is strong, but that still depends on how the teams are coordinating their engagements.
@@scumknight6074 Aint nobody one tricking Sojourn from bronze to anywhere much higher. She is really fucking strong, but she does actually require mechanics.
7:30 To be fair to the metal ranks, when Reaper got giga buffed, and was doing the same thing to metal ranks that Brig did to high ranks, all the streamers and content creators said Reaper was fine, and slightly weak. Reaper was nearly unkillable in low ranks, and playing support was literally a death sentence if they had a Reaper. Every streamer and creator in Masters+ was complaining that reaper was still underpowered. But yeah, let's discuss how the game should be balanced top down, and how that's healthy for the majority of the player base. 😂
I have thousands of hours in OW1 and I WANT to get back into OW2 but I have maybe less than 50 hours since launch. Idk what I need to do but I would love to get back into the game.
I know so many people that were outside of the community that purchased the Watchpoint bundle thinking they had to just to play. I don't know why but almost everyone I know that did it thought that's how they would get "the full game."
@@muysli.y1855 it was indeed scummy. I feel like the consistently bait people for money. Not just in OW but across all their properties. It's not the Blizzard I grew up loving
The point of the video is show that many features of OW 1 had a worst version of it in OW 2, and this is a huge red flag for players, I understand that not all the changes are bad, is just by comparison leaves a bad impression, for example knowing that not all heroes are avaliable at any moment, in OW 1 they are avaliable so knowing that they aren't anymore leaves a bad feeling of "before I have all of them, now I'm not?"
17:10 something I’ve always thought blizzard should add are small tutorials that are specific to every hero in the game. I agree that a new player would probably feel overwhelmed with all the hero options, so unlocking hero’s does kind of make sense, but they might not need to do that if they had hero tutorials that teach players how their abilities work and interact with other abilities.
When I started playing ow2 I thought the hero mastery challenges were supposed to be something like that, but now I know it will take ages for half the cast to be available on that
17:20 That’s why they usually have Firing Ranges/Training Rooms in order for you to mess around with the characters and figure out who you like playing. No offence Flats, but I can’t think of any person who would look at a large roster of characters with around 2/3rds of them inaccessible to the player and think: “Man, I’m sure glad my character choices are so limited right now! 😊” Considering that the first hero I ever played in Overwatch 1 (Zen) and my main hero (Junkrat) would both be locked until I had to grind the necessary amount of challenges just to play them if I was new, it would definitely deter me if I was a newbie. It’d be like if you went to a restaurant that boasted over 100 different types of burgers available but you can only order from a limited menu of 8 and spend $200 total over your visits before you get the ‘privilege’ to order from the full menu. Paladins is at 59 Heroes... I regularly play like, 16 of them, and I love trying to mess around with new characters. Yeah, they have characters behind paywalls too. They also let you buy them with the game’s non-premium currency, as well as actually *give* you enough free premium currency to get every 2nd Battlepass. Overwatch’s coins require you to grind out 11 challenges just to get a mere 60 each week. Sign into Paladins a full week to get 50 Crystals. Overwatch’s BP is 1000 Coins while Paladin’s BP is 400 Crystals. Both of them clearly want you to spend money, but with Paladins it feels like more of a choice than an obligation with Overwatch.
For Overwatch to grow its success and popularity, Blizzard needed to make it a huge brand. Multiple, separate games, animated shorts, maybe even a movie or series. They were on track to do just that, but somebody (Bobby Kotick) knew his time was ticking down and wanted short term profits. That's why everything got canned for an excessive focus on PvP and microtransactions in an environment where the most prominent way people enjoy League of Legends is on Netflix.
Man, PVE was gonna be the shift to a whole new game. I was ready to stop grinding comp. I wanted to play that so bad, and enjoy the OW story. What a joke.
I'm not sure, i guess the game is currently rather stable. But on the other hand during an evening or night of gaming i do find the same persons rather often in my matches. I was kinda sad with them abandoning PvE the way they promised it, but I still enjoy the game itself. It has been and is a big part of my life. Hours of fun and actually at times found some pretty nice people to play with. Currently eagerly awaiting the Competitive-Rework which sounds promising, to get back into ranked. I really wanna go and see where I can actually get to since imo I improved a lot. Game's certainly not dying despite the higher ups in Blizzard trying their best to make it happen. x)
It's funny, I never thought the Overwatch 2 story campaign stuff sounded like anything I wanted. When they finally announced it was dead I only lamented the time they wasted on it.
I don't like how only a few heroes in each role are viable each season and how i usually end up having to play some variation of a hitscan whenever i play dps. If they introduce new heroes with cool playstyles (that arent just another hitscan with some weird gimmick) i feel like this game could be better
The game's not dead, but the perception of the game is absolutely dead and nearly impossible to salvage. With PvP there's a community consensus that the game balancing is atrocious, that 5v5 was a mistake, and the monetization is scummy. And with PvE, no matter what they do from here on out, it will always be seen as a watered down version of what the players deserved to have, thus many won't see it as worth purchasing. What are non-OW players supposed to make of this? Things can change now that Kotick is leaving but no one should be getting their hopes up.
I would say the first failure that killed OW is Brig and after that Role Que. Im pretty sure the main reasons why OW still has players is because of sunk cost fallacy and the porn.
Yeah, it shouldn’t be dying, and that’s why it’s not. I came back a few months ago and it’s become my favourite game. Yeah there are problems, but the game, at its core, is absolutely amazing
when people talk about steam charts and twitch viewers people seen to completely ignore the fact that consoles and youtube exist and there is people watching/playing on those at the same time
You know what would be cool, what if Moira could alt a Hanzo alt and the dragons wouldn't only kill the enemy but it would also heal your team, and it would have to be some sort of custom animation to the dragons ofc
2:05 I thought changing regions didn't work anymore since Overwatch 2? I'm on EU and even if I change my region to America it throws me and my NA friend on either server randomly for each game
OW isn’t dead but it just seems like it because it’s peaks have been so high. it’s like if Fortnite all of a sudden lost 85% of their player base next month. It would still be a large amount of players but small compared to its past.
The amount of copium it takes to say this game isn't dying, when you run like a 15% chance of running into the same people that you just ran into for the last five games....it's a dying game
Honestly liked the lootboxes as they were purely cosmetic and didnt contribute to game power. It would be nice if they kept lootboxes for ow1 content but anything ow2 be paid for. That way u get free stuff to encourage player retention and anything new due to the f2p model will be met with more positive behaviour
One of the reasons on why ow feels bad is that you don’t know which characters might be coming out. Overwatch keeps adding ocs thinking it will be fine if they announce the existence of their ocs a week or two before the hero’s release to “build hype.” Think back to life weaver and illari, characters we didn’t know existed at all now compare that to the hype around sombra, people were literally looking in the sky trying to find a clue on who sombra was meanwhile when illari was released blizzard basically said “oh she killed all her friends and doesn’t know anyone in the ow universe, she’ll be released in 1 week.” Think about how many people want overlord or how much we wanted mauga blizzard has a ton of characters people look forward to but they add random ocs for no reason
Stop playing the game, the community is toxic af. Also mostly done with it you can hear it in the voices in chat. Also the company is extremly greedy, lied to you several times. Their prices would be illegal if it were another business. I put 3k hours into it. I watched it "develop" over so long. But the only thing that happens is, that the community, the game and the company get progressively worse. Also all new heroes are basically reworks with stronger kits. Mauga is also just a braindead hero. Every match Bastion which is not a hero that belongs in this game. It used to be about mobility. Now it's just oneshotting and 300 hp Tanks playing dps shredding everyone. The uselessness of Rein illustrates pretty well what happend. He chose were to fight as a frontliner with a shield. Now he is a glorified Target dummy, that gets bullied to hell. I play so many hours with so many people. And I regret it. 1000 shitty toxic games of racist hateful people, and 5 good games. That are good because I used the mic and tried the hardest to be friendly and get people to be friendly. Just delete it, my life has improved. I am spending my Time now on things that make me healthy and happy and will have value in the future. And not suck the life out of me with more and more lies and more and more stupid design choices. For 1 Skin you can buy 10 Brilliant games. Just quit the game and show blizzard who they truly are. Thieves liers and treating their own workers, customers and fans -> Like shit.
Okay I kinda understand where flats was coming from by saying too Many options can be overwhelming to a player, but it is still very frustrating when you see somebody on the enemy team playing as the character that you want to play, but it's locked
are almost 120 complete games, for complete all heroes till echo, them you unlock the options of get the new ones in the order you wish 20-30 wins on a expecific role or flex or pay the bundle or 900 coins (ow2 ones)
Overwatch had 1 thing going for it and they gave that up to chase the live service revenue stream but they executed it worse than all of their competition. Wonder why the game feels like shit lol.
well if we consider Overwatch first few years, compared to now it's a sad fall. Not just for player numbers. Content as well. But games are all dying quicker than ever now. Companies don't put out enough and consumers are never satisfied.
The reason low ranks said Brig was fine before nerfs is because most of us had to be that solo queue guy he was describing earlier - needing to play support or tank with 5 DPS teammates that flame YOU for dying so much. Launch Brig let you easily fill both roles and made those games winnable before role queue existed. Higher rank players all wanted to win and probably didn't run into 6-DPS-insta-lose games as often. If you had a 2-2-2 comp or a GOATs comp and a good Brig, then she was super broken. When you've had to play nothing but Mercy in 5-DPS games whenever your friends aren't on, Brig was a godsend to let you have fun not getting dumpstered by enemy DPS all game. YOU could be the menace for a change and beat the crap out of the entire enemy team without ever dying. If your selfish team happened to get some rally healing in the meantime, all the better. Launch Brig was a gift to the low rank pre-role-queue flex players. She was NOT balanced, but she was the fun that more casual flex players needed at the time.
Overwatch isn't dying because its already dead. the only people that are still playing are the people that have been around for awhile and have nowhere else to go. if a new big title dropped tomorrow, overwatch would lose half its player base overnight. i think blizzard is kinda lucky at this point, it doesn't matter how bad they fuck up because you can't kill a game that's already dead.
I think it is ironic how people think Brig and Mercy has always been OP, yet the entire group of support players in bronze, silver, gold, plat, have not moved on to diamond by pure game balance issues. In the end, the characters being OP could never really win games because players didn't play as teams and trickle in alone and run away on their own even from start of game etc.
People who say Mercy is OP are silly, but that doesn't stop her from being an annoying almost unkillable fly for most tanks in practical scenarios, and forced aim training for everyone else. Rather see Ana touched before those two, but honestly every role needs touched up anyways.
I started playing bc its one of few cross platform games my friends can play, now most dont play besides me and one other friend, mainly because of the pve announcement
To be honest r34 and dirty animators saved overwatch too, ya know what I'm talking about and don't cap, you've been there too. In my opinion if there were no overwatch spicy videos and pictures the game could have died very fast but they delivered, and I gotta say nowdays the quality of thoose videos are almost the same if not better than the actual animated shorts / stories. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I mean maybe but I really loved the overwatch league as well and that retained my belief that I could carry and win games no matter how terrible my last ow experience was. Also I’ve watched and rewatched a of overwatch shorts, and even more of the ow porn but the ow shorts are a clear cut above, in terms of clarity and natural movement.
I honestly wish I played this years ago when my friends did. OW2 came out and said eh I’ll try it. I’ve always wanted a game that was like this but the graphics threw me off. Loving every minute of it
I know so many people that have left over not enjoying OW2 as much as 1 where Mauga ended up being the final straw. Most of them don't like the 5v5 format anymore. But that's insanely anecdotal, I'd be more interested in actual unique players per month but we'll never know that. Wish we had a Steamcharts equivalent for Blizz games.
Brig was "fine" bc she was one of the few heros who didnt require team cohesion. You had self healing, you had stuns, you were a mini tank. Your team could be a disaster but you were Brig and were fine
I just disagree with Flats when he argues for limiting heroes for new players. How could having too many heroes be "bad"? That doesn't make sense to me. I would understand if you said the game is free and this is their monetization strategy, but claiming that too many heroes is overwhelming for new players seems odd. Plus, he mentioned that all heroes will be unlocked by the time players are ready for ranked, but what about those who just want to play casually and try out different modes? In my opinion, Flats is overcomplicating what is essentially a flawed monetization system.
he's just coping, dota2 lets you play every character from the get-go and there's 100s of them, and nobody's complaining. they're just taking away the player's freedom of choice just because some other games have it doesn't mean it's good
@@S3nCh4n I 100% agree with this. It's even cooler because when you start out - it doesn't matter, you just pick who looks the coolest and see how you feel about each one.
It’s people who don’t try to research if the game is good, they just want to buy it to see if they like it. It sucks for us hardcore gamers that we have to research every purchase we do now.
Just wanted to add input on whales because I think there was a bit of a misunderstanding: Whales aren't defined by their income, but by how easily they can be targeted by (often predatory) systems such as microtransactions. Whether they're rich or poor doesn't matter, a child with their parent's credit card is just as much of a whale as the man playing mobile games in his mansion. It's a term used to describe weak willed (and potentially neurodivergent) people who can easily be preyed upon for the most profit. (fyi. not agreeing/disagreeing with Flats' overall point in that section, but I do think this context is important when discussing 'whales' in gaming. It's not just well off people, otherwise there wouldn't be stories of 'whales' going bankrupt over these predatory practices)
TBH feeling the burnout from playing. Tanks feel too weak and nobody really wants to play this role. Supports are ridiculously broken. They have the dps of an attacker with self healing and escape abilities. They can out 1v1 most of the other classes. The only goals are end of season comp rank and doing the weekly challenges to afford an overpriced skin or the battle pass. And if you do all the weekly challenges for 60 coins you need to do that for 17 weeks for the battlepass (roughly 2 seasons worth). Luckily, this seasons battle pass was the worst in a long time (IMO). Then the challenges, Play 23-45 QP games, 8-15 Arcade games, 15-30 comp games, then it is usually the saves/assists challenge that needs a little more gameplay. Even this Winterland christmas event, you have to pay 500 coins to get the legendary skins and the widow is an old one and the rein is just a regular one.
As a person started playing ow from ow2 lunch . New seasons are boring as fu. Almost every game feels same. Go counter then when they countered you go counter of that. It is just boring if you are playing dps or tank. Supports are the most fun role to play weirdly because of this counter things. Almost all of the supports can be played all time. I hope things changes and game becomes fun again. Until then i am playing finals.
Lol this was just flats shilling for blizzard. Like how does one defend hero locks? OW1 was fun because you could CHOOSE and PLAY any hero you were interested without having to commit to them. And unlocking a hero is arduous because for a more casual player it will take more than just 35 games just to unlock a hero just for the chance to find that the hero doesn’t match his play style.
21:46 I have to disagree. Developers have gone to conferences like GDC, and have specifically shown that it's whales that power those games. They are not the only one's powering those games, but they are the heavy hitters for games that utilize predatory monetization strategies. People with impulse control issues, not necessarily wealthy, but are prone to the same stability issues that problem gamblers face psychologically. I'm not saying there aren't people who occasionally partake in a little bit of microtransactions for a game that they enjoy (I myself have done so) and I'm also not saying that there aren't people who will talk all kinds of mess on a game only to then go in and Play it anyway, but when it comes to games like Diablo immortal which is the one shown on screen, and almost certainly to a lesser extent games like OverWatch, developers abusing the psychological weaknesses of those people that we call whales is factually how a lot of these games power their engines. That's just the truth
flats idea for rein Make him regen shields on his shield projector while being healed over 100% this could give him a shield wall tech where healing rein allows him to keep his shield up far longer but without a healer healing over 100 then he only gains hp not shields
It is stagnant, no movement up or down is still bad when considering this game has been out for over a year and has barely seen an increase in players.
It may not be dying, but the trust is definitely broken. I don't expect them to really improve, let alone do anything crazy like PVE, that's why every little improvement they do feels like a W (when really, that shouldv'e been the case in the beginning already, but it isn't)
0:50 gonna have to disagree on this point, I haven't touched overwatch in more than a year (and even then I didn't play it a lot since ow 1), yet I still watch you.
In all likelihood, going free to play was probably what saved Overwatch, at least for now. When TF2 was dying, and bleeding the last bastion of its players, (the xbox version was legit dead) it also went free to play. They added microtransactions and a player economy. That was more than a decade ago and the game is, even now, doing better than overwatch on an optics level.
Stop trying to justify insane game/in-game item prices by comparing it with luxuries like drinking at expensive bars and taking ubers around. Gaming should be something that can be enjoyed by everyone regardless of your social class. That was what made it great. Now big titles are becoming 60-70++USD, making it near impossible to afford for people living in developing countries or weak currencies. It's not even a cosmetics issue, you see how they purposely made Mauga overpowered and you can only get him after grinding everyday for at least 1-2 weeks. And if you have a full time job and live in a poor country you are literally not on the same playing field as the opponent team.
I’m beginning to become convinced that none of you actually play overwatch, you just log onto various communities online to discuss the “state” it is in.
You should have mild skill progression playing against people with the relative same amount of progression. First time to return your points is free but after it costs money. Best way to get money without being money hungry and turning the skill progression from pve to pvp
I totally agree with flats. OW2 lifespan for me: S1-2: broken S3: best S4-5-6: floor S7-8: Slowly going up S9: i absolutely have 0 thrust for them to really making the good changes but it looks like it will get better. I hope we get rank portraits and separation of solo que vs group que or at least game telling me there are grouped players in my matches. ''Preferred heroes'' when i hover over teammates portrait. In terms of balance, nade needs to go. Hog and Mauga needs to be toned down a bit.
This is the first season pass I probably won't finish. It's a combination of things for me, the reason I barely play ATM. 1 it feels stale, same maps over and over. 2 no matter what mode I play, I get teamed up with the worst of the worst players and the other team plays like GM's. 3 the paywall.. everyone complained about loot boxes, but you actually go chances to get that cool new legendary skin you wanted, instead of it being just behind a paywall. Season passes seem lacking, over all just stale ATM. Put 6 v6 in as an arcade mode which would bring back the old modes with older maps. Something different
we need more content like animated shorts, those really helped establish Overwatch as an IP. How there’s not an Overwatch show on netflix or something yet is beyond me and seems like such a missed opportunity
The marketing team for blizzard is so trash. The art team is carrying 40% of this game. So I’m with you, I don’t understand why we haven’t given the art team room to thrive. Blizzard’s marketing team is really holding them back. Riot games for example has both good art and marketing and they literally can’t be stopped on the gaming scene.
@@Bongkaiii it's advertisement, but without a corpa feel. bringing more players to overwatch would give more incentive for the higher ups to give instructions to devs to fix the game.
A big problem with hero challenges to unlock them is if you miss two hero releases like I did (lifeweaver and illari) then you can only progress one character challenge at a time. So I needed 80 or so games for two heroes, during a season where both were very strong (last season)
@@misterfevillord1588 u can only activate one hero's challenge at a time , its not like u have to complete all the challenges to activate another hero's challenges but u can only progress the challenges that are active U can unlock multiple characters in a season , but u need to play a lot of games
Even in one of his previous vids he said "sure the game isnt good right now, but at least its not season 4/5 so its not that bad". Radiates the same energy as "my dad only hit me ONCE today, he must be happy!"
It feels like the game is sick. It's not dying, but it sure feels like it.
don't forget about SBMM as a solo player it's very frustrating, it's not even fun to play. you either get steamed rolled or get a team full of idiots.
It’s been sick since release. How long can you be sick before someone just pulls the cord?
Look at twitch viewership now... the state of game, players aren't enjoying it anymore. Litertally 25k on a holiday break watching... so damn low its embarrassing honestly. I remember watching 50-80k. Nobody really cares about getting better at this moment too, a lot of it is just players get on and play a couple games and hop off until they're bored again.
I just feel sad that there's nothing they can do currently to make me play this game again, and i used to love this game. Pve is a joke and they don't care about the workshop, which still insane to me that they don't invest in the workshop anymore. At the end of the day, why would i go back to ow? To grind for skins that i used to have for free? And on top of that ow 2 reworks are not worthy of the "2", the Rog rework for example is basically the same exact character but a bit different, how is that a rework?
@dgiorr Roadhog rework bad??Bro he was the worst character in the game for multiple seasons and now he's finally a viable pick and you think it was a terrible rework because you think it didn't change anything? Hate to break it to you but not every rework has to change every single ability to something new. Sometimes it just requires minimal changes to how you play the character to be a rework.
I wish Valve still made games 😢
Do you not have VR? (HL Alex)
Artifact.
TF3 pog
and we are live
They got somethin cooking in the background, lets hope this "Neon Prime" isn't just another 90% finished game that gets shelved due to internal complications.
"Weve already hit the floor"
Nah, even with the PVE thing id say thats more so a horrible mess thats gonna take alot to recover from but to say thats gonna the be the "bottom floor" is just wishful thinking, it can still get worse, idk how but gaming companies will find a way
Especially Blizzard
I’m just waiting for Blizzard to take the shovel out.
Getting "Promised the world and gave us Rhode Island" on a shirt cause that's a fire line and I love the thought of making a trip to Rhode Island just to flaunt that shirt
A stable player base is not necessarily a good thing for a f2p game. Since only a small amount of players will spend any amount of money, this puts a hard ceiling on the amount of revenue the game can make, especially after lootboxes were removed. The game needs to constantly pump out new content to keep money flowing in, which the current team has proven to struggle with.
Where will the goal post be next? Who knows? 😂
There only so many skins people will buy. The real money for f2p games comes from weapons and upgrades but OW doesn't have that. Characters have character specific guns that can't change and two weeks into OW2 I can't figure out if I'm even able to improve my stats. Not to mention the battle pass garbage I had to go through just to sign into the game
@@Wolfman7870 League has neither, DOTA has neither, CSGO has neither, Valorant has neither, just like Overwatch and those are doing fine.
Esports scene is a bigger factor imho for Overwatch succes than weapons and upgrades being sold, it's not COD.
Heroes are meant to be stagnant cause it's meant to be competive, not who brought the better loadout.
@TappedWalnut my dude, those two factors are easily defeated by the fact that 1: Overwatch had an esports scene and it still got to this point and 2: if the characters are meant to be stagnant then you should mention that to Blizzard because they're constantly giving their characters buffs, nerfs and changing their kit which is essentially like giving them different loadouts each time
@@Droulix You really gonna be semantic when i am telling a guy Overwatch isn't COD and that improving stats/loadout isn't a thing?
Also
1: The E-sports is nothing compared to what it used to be cause there is hardly any money invested. It's contenders and collegiate but no actually pro scene.
2: Stagnant as in you can't change loadout/stats my dude. Every game i mentioned has had balance patches, would be kinda fucked if we had release Brig, Xin Zhao, Monkey king etc ....
wtf are you even on about, balance patches still doesn't mean heroes aren't meant to be stagnant going from game to game not patch to patch ....
People like to say "45 levels isnt that bad" which its not for someone playing the game daily but a more casual player who plays different games and has a job and family to take care of its pretty hard to get 45 levels before the charcter becomes irrelevant.
30 mins a day is a pretty hard ask for a normal human.
@@mryellow6918 yeah but at that point buying the battle pass would be an easier and much quicker way to get Mauga which makes him pay 2 win
@mryellow6918 is it? 😂
I am 23 years old with a job and yet I have almost 12 hours of free time to play videogames. I am not going to play oversuck 2 anyway but my point is that if you want to have time YOU WILL have time, you just have to want it, focus about it and being selfish enough to do whatever it takes to achieve it
@@ginocanterino258 I'm 36, I work 70h a week, have a family with kids. I have an hour and a half tops to play videogames. What you're saying is completly false. You just don't have ther other obligations yet :)
It may not be dying but you can see especially on the steam chart that even when an entire new season starts or something new gets added the player count stays around the same. It's only gonna go up or down if they continue to drive new players away
Launch week was BRUTAL. I wont stand for the erasure of what happened. I and any account that "preregistered" (so core players) in was locked out of ow2. And blizzard knew this was a problem. Preregistrating your account lead to your file being unusable on the new server. A dev communication days later explained that they already KNEW about this issue and that a solution was pushed several days out. They ddnt tell the core players who were hovering excitedand refreshing the game client for hours. Ow1 was gone i was locked out of ow2 and watching streamers get on for free. Blizzard, Communicate early and honestly. I could have stopped trying, made a sandwich or touched grass that week.
Why the fuck didn't you?
I would have tried once each day, and each time I failed I would have played different game.
OW2 is sustaining, but the game's perception is dying. From once GOTY to now... this. Who knows what next year has in store, but once Bobby leaves, its all on them now- no one else to fall back to.
And in my opinion, this year, they need to fundamentally change the gameplay of OW2, fix its monetization model, and get back player's trust through mending once broken promises. Is that all possible? Who knows. But seems like Blizzard has no other choice.
Nah this sounds retarded to me. They need public attention and that is from like a show or a new cool TH-cam shorts, story mode stuff. If they severely change the gameplay than they risk losing the games current playerbase. I’m a solo longtime player of ow I’ll always play this game, but casuals need cool new shit which requires lots of money which I hope Microsoft provides. Like idk how the fuck this idea that balance patches bring in tons of new players has any fucking traction.
At least make monetizision fair buying BP every season or 60 Premium Coins a week is a joke
Other Games are way better with their monetizision
Is it even possible to mend the broken promises? Nothing short of PVE coming back and absolutely blowing expectations out of the water is going to mend the trust lost over it's cancellation. I don't think anyone realistically believes that's gonna happen, so at that point why have any hope at all?
@@jamescastle7704 That's the point I was getting at. I've spouted all the things they can fix- some are achievable and some may not be. But the reason why I said the promise thing last was..... well.....
A broken promise is just that.
So unless they are able to turn it around other cooler things to help fill that void, alongside an excellent campaign, nothing can truly fulfill that role. As such, it will be difficult for them to recapture their once loyal fanbase and reputation.
Is it possible? Yes, as we've seen with Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky. But, it will take time, and honestly, that is something Blizzard doesn't have when it comes to their audience thanks to their past. Now that Bobby is gone, they may buy themselves time to mend and fix some of that promise-whether small or big. But at this point, it's all on them, and they'll no one but themselves to blame
(coughcough *Bungie* coughcough)
@jamescastle7704 what a dumb standard to set. 😂 just move on to the flavor of the month and stop pretending like you care if that's your bar.
Would anyone else here love to see Flats give TF2 a try someday, as a way for him to see what came before and such? I absolutely love the game and still play it to this day.
Supports were still saying back during Brig release that their role wasn’t broken… I went from Diamond to GM by one-tricking Brig 😂
Same players who one-tricked Sojourn and Mauga, honestly they’re making up excuses to one trick out of Bronze.
@@scumknight6074Sojourn took a lot more to play consistently with and perform than Mauga comparatively upon releases. Sojourn now is definitely an alright character who's performance is great for the current meta because she is strong against the tanks that are strongest, but Mauga is literally the meta defining character rn, and Sojourn was only like that at high levels of play upon OW2 release. I don't want to go back to that, ofc, but Mauga is definitely a bigger blight on the competitive community at large for OW2.
@@kommandantkillcode They’re both incredibly un fun to fight.
Any squishy should honestly just ignore Sojourn just because of her stupid burst damage output.
@@ValentinoMarino11 Most DPS have higher consistency burst damage outputs, and will win 1V1s against Soj if both are hitting their shots and getting their minimum ttks. In team fight scenarios, Sojourn is strong, but that still depends on how the teams are coordinating their engagements.
@@scumknight6074 Aint nobody one tricking Sojourn from bronze to anywhere much higher. She is really fucking strong, but she does actually require mechanics.
Bruh, the floor was hit in OW1 and only dug further in OW2
The fact that OW 2 has less players than Monster Hunter World right now is crazy.
mhw devs don't lie to their playerbase
7:30
To be fair to the metal ranks, when Reaper got giga buffed, and was doing the same thing to metal ranks that Brig did to high ranks, all the streamers and content creators said Reaper was fine, and slightly weak. Reaper was nearly unkillable in low ranks, and playing support was literally a death sentence if they had a Reaper. Every streamer and creator in Masters+ was complaining that reaper was still underpowered.
But yeah, let's discuss how the game should be balanced top down, and how that's healthy for the majority of the player base. 😂
I have thousands of hours in OW1 and I WANT to get back into OW2 but I have maybe less than 50 hours since launch. Idk what I need to do but I would love to get back into the game.
I met some of my closest friends through OW, i miss that time man. It was so fun
I met my wife through OW! Some of our OW friends came to the wedding :')
Based @@CopShowGuy
I know so many people that were outside of the community that purchased the Watchpoint bundle thinking they had to just to play. I don't know why but almost everyone I know that did it thought that's how they would get "the full game."
Greedy Blizzard know how to scam
@@muysli.y1855 it was indeed scummy. I feel like the consistently bait people for money. Not just in OW but across all their properties. It's not the Blizzard I grew up loving
I missed jeff Kaplan. Felt pretty nostalgic.
When flats ran through the OW1 patch notes for brig, anyone else randomly see the 1 guy reading patch notes to the sims 3?
The point of the video is show that many features of OW 1 had a worst version of it in OW 2, and this is a huge red flag for players, I understand that not all the changes are bad, is just by comparison leaves a bad impression, for example knowing that not all heroes are avaliable at any moment, in OW 1 they are avaliable so knowing that they aren't anymore leaves a bad feeling of "before I have all of them, now I'm not?"
I honestly really miss the old archives event modes. Had so much fun with them, and I wish they would bring them back.
17:10 something I’ve always thought blizzard should add are small tutorials that are specific to every hero in the game. I agree that a new player would probably feel overwhelmed with all the hero options, so unlocking hero’s does kind of make sense, but they might not need to do that if they had hero tutorials that teach players how their abilities work and interact with other abilities.
When I started playing ow2 I thought the hero mastery challenges were supposed to be something like that, but now I know it will take ages for half the cast to be available on that
17:20 That’s why they usually have Firing Ranges/Training Rooms in order for you to mess around with the characters and figure out who you like playing.
No offence Flats, but I can’t think of any person who would look at a large roster of characters with around 2/3rds of them inaccessible to the player and think: “Man, I’m sure glad my character choices are so limited right now! 😊” Considering that the first hero I ever played in Overwatch 1 (Zen) and my main hero (Junkrat) would both be locked until I had to grind the necessary amount of challenges just to play them if I was new, it would definitely deter me if I was a newbie. It’d be like if you went to a restaurant that boasted over 100 different types of burgers available but you can only order from a limited menu of 8 and spend $200 total over your visits before you get the ‘privilege’ to order from the full menu.
Paladins is at 59 Heroes... I regularly play like, 16 of them, and I love trying to mess around with new characters. Yeah, they have characters behind paywalls too. They also let you buy them with the game’s non-premium currency, as well as actually *give* you enough free premium currency to get every 2nd Battlepass.
Overwatch’s coins require you to grind out 11 challenges just to get a mere 60 each week. Sign into Paladins a full week to get 50 Crystals. Overwatch’s BP is 1000 Coins while Paladin’s BP is 400 Crystals. Both of them clearly want you to spend money, but with Paladins it feels like more of a choice than an obligation with Overwatch.
Flats has a steady supply of copium direct from blizzard
For Overwatch to grow its success and popularity, Blizzard needed to make it a huge brand. Multiple, separate games, animated shorts, maybe even a movie or series. They were on track to do just that, but somebody (Bobby Kotick) knew his time was ticking down and wanted short term profits. That's why everything got canned for an excessive focus on PvP and microtransactions in an environment where the most prominent way people enjoy League of Legends is on Netflix.
Man, PVE was gonna be the shift to a whole new game. I was ready to stop grinding comp. I wanted to play that so bad, and enjoy the OW story. What a joke.
I'm not sure, i guess the game is currently rather stable. But on the other hand during an evening or night of gaming i do find the same persons rather often in my matches. I was kinda sad with them abandoning PvE the way they promised it, but I still enjoy the game itself. It has been and is a big part of my life. Hours of fun and actually at times found some pretty nice people to play with.
Currently eagerly awaiting the Competitive-Rework which sounds promising, to get back into ranked. I really wanna go and see where I can actually get to since imo I improved a lot.
Game's certainly not dying despite the higher ups in Blizzard trying their best to make it happen. x)
It's funny, I never thought the Overwatch 2 story campaign stuff sounded like anything I wanted. When they finally announced it was dead I only lamented the time they wasted on it.
I don't like how only a few heroes in each role are viable each season and how i usually end up having to play some variation of a hitscan whenever i play dps. If they introduce new heroes with cool playstyles (that arent just another hitscan with some weird gimmick) i feel like this game could be better
And then enemies will pick phara or widow on a long ass map
The game's not dead, but the perception of the game is absolutely dead and nearly impossible to salvage. With PvP there's a community consensus that the game balancing is atrocious, that 5v5 was a mistake, and the monetization is scummy. And with PvE, no matter what they do from here on out, it will always be seen as a watered down version of what the players deserved to have, thus many won't see it as worth purchasing. What are non-OW players supposed to make of this? Things can change now that Kotick is leaving but no one should be getting their hopes up.
I would say the first failure that killed OW is Brig and after that Role Que. Im pretty sure the main reasons why OW still has players is because of sunk cost fallacy and the porn.
As a bartender at the most popular bar in the city I live in, you would be shocked at the amount of money i bring in on a weekend
Yeah, it shouldn’t be dying, and that’s why it’s not. I came back a few months ago and it’s become my favourite game. Yeah there are problems, but the game, at its core, is absolutely amazing
Somewhere deep down the game is good but its buried it in monetization, false promises and bad balancing
Agreed. I personally have never enjoyed the game as much as I have been recently
when people talk about steam charts and twitch viewers people seen to completely ignore the fact that consoles and youtube exist and there is people watching/playing on those at the same time
You know what would be cool, what if Moira could alt a Hanzo alt and the dragons wouldn't only kill the enemy but it would also heal your team, and it would have to be some sort of custom animation to the dragons ofc
2:05
I thought changing regions didn't work anymore since Overwatch 2?
I'm on EU and even if I change my region to America it throws me and my NA friend on either server randomly for each game
I don't 100% remember how it worked, but either they used a VPN or region switch in BNet actually did something very early on.
OW isn’t dead but it just seems like it because it’s peaks have been so high. it’s like if Fortnite all of a sudden lost 85% of their player base next month. It would still be a large amount of players but small compared to its past.
The amount of copium it takes to say this game isn't dying, when you run like a 15% chance of running into the same people that you just ran into for the last five games....it's a dying game
11:23 Did he just list 5v5 as a positive? Wtf
insta red flag to know he doesn’t actually play the game lmao
5v5 is fine
@@LeatherNinja 👁️🔴👁️
@@LeatherNinjaIt is fun, but it’s not as fun for the tank. Tanks have to lock in a lot more
@@ValentinoMarino11 it was fun early on bit they over tuned supports and some dps were cancer back then
Flats you will always be blind to what u love its dieing
16:18 New players should be able to play all the characters right of the bat.
lootbox > current monitization
'whats $200 in videogames?"
its a couple pixels on a screen Flats, thats what it is
Honestly liked the lootboxes as they were purely cosmetic and didnt contribute to game power. It would be nice if they kept lootboxes for ow1 content but anything ow2 be paid for. That way u get free stuff to encourage player retention and anything new due to the f2p model will be met with more positive behaviour
One of the reasons on why ow feels bad is that you don’t know which characters might be coming out. Overwatch keeps adding ocs thinking it will be fine if they announce the existence of their ocs a week or two before the hero’s release to “build hype.” Think back to life weaver and illari, characters we didn’t know existed at all now compare that to the hype around sombra, people were literally looking in the sky trying to find a clue on who sombra was meanwhile when illari was released blizzard basically said “oh she killed all her friends and doesn’t know anyone in the ow universe, she’ll be released in 1 week.” Think about how many people want overlord or how much we wanted mauga blizzard has a ton of characters people look forward to but they add random ocs for no reason
Stop playing the game, the community is toxic af. Also mostly done with it you can hear it in the voices in chat. Also the company is extremly greedy, lied to you several times. Their prices would be illegal if it were another business. I put 3k hours into it. I watched it "develop" over so long. But the only thing that happens is, that the community, the game and the company get progressively worse. Also all new heroes are basically reworks with stronger kits. Mauga is also just a braindead hero. Every match Bastion which is not a hero that belongs in this game. It used to be about mobility. Now it's just oneshotting and 300 hp Tanks playing dps shredding everyone. The uselessness of Rein illustrates pretty well what happend. He chose were to fight as a frontliner with a shield. Now he is a glorified Target dummy, that gets bullied to hell. I play so many hours with so many people. And I regret it. 1000 shitty toxic games of racist hateful people, and 5 good games. That are good because I used the mic and tried the hardest to be friendly and get people to be friendly. Just delete it, my life has improved. I am spending my Time now on things that make me healthy and happy and will have value in the future. And not suck the life out of me with more and more lies and more and more stupid design choices. For 1 Skin you can buy 10 Brilliant games. Just quit the game and show blizzard who they truly are. Thieves liers and treating their own workers, customers and fans -> Like shit.
Okay I kinda understand where flats was coming from by saying too Many options can be overwhelming to a player, but it is still very frustrating when you see somebody on the enemy team playing as the character that you want to play, but it's locked
Flats I love your videos. I made it to master 4 open que. I’m an OW1 OG so I do really well in old school comps but can’t seem to get good in force
are almost 120 complete games, for complete all heroes till echo, them you unlock the options of get the new ones in the order you wish 20-30 wins on a expecific role or flex or pay the bundle or 900 coins (ow2 ones)
At this point I just log on to do my weekly challenges, get my coins and come off until they reset. The game just isn't fun right now
fuck flats talking about going out with his friends at school like its a mastercard commercial really hit me in my nostalgia and regrets
19:55 same shirt
Overwatch had 1 thing going for it and they gave that up to chase the live service revenue stream but they executed it worse than all of their competition.
Wonder why the game feels like shit lol.
well if we consider Overwatch first few years, compared to now it's a sad fall. Not just for player numbers. Content as well. But games are all dying quicker than ever now. Companies don't put out enough and consumers are never satisfied.
It was the skill tree announcement that made me seriously doubt pve would ever happen.
The reason low ranks said Brig was fine before nerfs is because most of us had to be that solo queue guy he was describing earlier - needing to play support or tank with 5 DPS teammates that flame YOU for dying so much. Launch Brig let you easily fill both roles and made those games winnable before role queue existed.
Higher rank players all wanted to win and probably didn't run into 6-DPS-insta-lose games as often. If you had a 2-2-2 comp or a GOATs comp and a good Brig, then she was super broken. When you've had to play nothing but Mercy in 5-DPS games whenever your friends aren't on, Brig was a godsend to let you have fun not getting dumpstered by enemy DPS all game. YOU could be the menace for a change and beat the crap out of the entire enemy team without ever dying. If your selfish team happened to get some rally healing in the meantime, all the better. Launch Brig was a gift to the low rank pre-role-queue flex players. She was NOT balanced, but she was the fun that more casual flex players needed at the time.
Overwatch isn't dying because its already dead. the only people that are still playing are the people that have been around for awhile and have nowhere else to go. if a new big title dropped tomorrow, overwatch would lose half its player base overnight. i think blizzard is kinda lucky at this point, it doesn't matter how bad they fuck up because you can't kill a game that's already dead.
I think it is ironic how people think Brig and Mercy has always been OP, yet the entire group of support players in bronze, silver, gold, plat, have not moved on to diamond by pure game balance issues.
In the end, the characters being OP could never really win games because players didn't play as teams and trickle in alone and run away on their own even from start of game etc.
People who say Mercy is OP are silly, but that doesn't stop her from being an annoying almost unkillable fly for most tanks in practical scenarios, and forced aim training for everyone else. Rather see Ana touched before those two, but honestly every role needs touched up anyways.
I started playing bc its one of few cross platform games my friends can play, now most dont play besides me and one other friend, mainly because of the pve announcement
To be honest r34 and dirty animators saved overwatch too, ya know what I'm talking about and don't cap, you've been there too. In my opinion if there were no overwatch spicy videos and pictures the game could have died very fast but they delivered, and I gotta say nowdays the quality of thoose videos are almost the same if not better than the actual animated shorts / stories. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I mean maybe but I really loved the overwatch league as well and that retained my belief that I could carry and win games no matter how terrible my last ow experience was. Also I’ve watched and rewatched a of overwatch shorts, and even more of the ow porn but the ow shorts are a clear cut above, in terms of clarity and natural movement.
I honestly wish I played this years ago when my friends did. OW2 came out and said eh I’ll try it. I’ve always wanted a game that was like this but the graphics threw me off. Loving every minute of it
When he said the part with starting out playing overwatch is true
Definitely biased asf
Valve did nothing for their game for 6 years and people still like them better than Activision Blizzard
I know so many people that have left over not enjoying OW2 as much as 1 where Mauga ended up being the final straw. Most of them don't like the 5v5 format anymore.
But that's insanely anecdotal, I'd be more interested in actual unique players per month but we'll never know that. Wish we had a Steamcharts equivalent for Blizz games.
I love the recurring joke of chat saying same shirt when they see an old clip of flats no matter what color shirt he's actually wearing
Brig was "fine" bc she was one of the few heros who didnt require team cohesion. You had self healing, you had stuns, you were a mini tank. Your team could be a disaster but you were Brig and were fine
I just disagree with Flats when he argues for limiting heroes for new players. How could having too many heroes be "bad"? That doesn't make sense to me. I would understand if you said the game is free and this is their monetization strategy, but claiming that too many heroes is overwhelming for new players seems odd. Plus, he mentioned that all heroes will be unlocked by the time players are ready for ranked, but what about those who just want to play casually and try out different modes? In my opinion, Flats is overcomplicating what is essentially a flawed monetization system.
he's just coping, dota2 lets you play every character from the get-go and there's 100s of them, and nobody's complaining. they're just taking away the player's freedom of choice just because some other games have it doesn't mean it's good
@@S3nCh4n I 100% agree with this. It's even cooler because when you start out - it doesn't matter, you just pick who looks the coolest and see how you feel about each one.
I just realized that he plays persona music in the background
It’s people who don’t try to research if the game is good, they just want to buy it to see if they like it.
It sucks for us hardcore gamers that we have to research every purchase we do now.
God those time when the "NEW CONTENT" was skins and balance patches every few months😂
Just wanted to add input on whales because I think there was a bit of a misunderstanding:
Whales aren't defined by their income, but by how easily they can be targeted by (often predatory) systems such as microtransactions. Whether they're rich or poor doesn't matter, a child with their parent's credit card is just as much of a whale as the man playing mobile games in his mansion. It's a term used to describe weak willed (and potentially neurodivergent) people who can easily be preyed upon for the most profit.
(fyi. not agreeing/disagreeing with Flats' overall point in that section, but I do think this context is important when discussing 'whales' in gaming. It's not just well off people, otherwise there wouldn't be stories of 'whales' going bankrupt over these predatory practices)
TBH feeling the burnout from playing. Tanks feel too weak and nobody really wants to play this role. Supports are ridiculously broken. They have the dps of an attacker with self healing and escape abilities. They can out 1v1 most of the other classes. The only goals are end of season comp rank and doing the weekly challenges to afford an overpriced skin or the battle pass. And if you do all the weekly challenges for 60 coins you need to do that for 17 weeks for the battlepass (roughly 2 seasons worth). Luckily, this seasons battle pass was the worst in a long time (IMO). Then the challenges, Play 23-45 QP games, 8-15 Arcade games, 15-30 comp games, then it is usually the saves/assists challenge that needs a little more gameplay. Even this Winterland christmas event, you have to pay 500 coins to get the legendary skins and the widow is an old one and the rein is just a regular one.
Brig and the goats meta killed the game for me and i've never played the game with the same passion again, and probably never will.
As a person started playing ow from ow2 lunch . New seasons are boring as fu. Almost every game feels same. Go counter then when they countered you go counter of that. It is just boring if you are playing dps or tank. Supports are the most fun role to play weirdly because of this counter things. Almost all of the supports can be played all time. I hope things changes and game becomes fun again. Until then i am playing finals.
Lol this was just flats shilling for blizzard. Like how does one defend hero locks? OW1 was fun because you could CHOOSE and PLAY any hero you were interested without having to commit to them. And unlocking a hero is arduous because for a more casual player it will take more than just 35 games just to unlock a hero just for the chance to find that the hero doesn’t match his play style.
Bring back the old Brigitte. She can’t defend a loaf a bread right now and gets slapped through her shield. She’s the Magikarp of overwatch 2.😅😅
21:46 I have to disagree. Developers have gone to conferences like GDC, and have specifically shown that it's whales that power those games. They are not the only one's powering those games, but they are the heavy hitters for games that utilize predatory monetization strategies. People with impulse control issues, not necessarily wealthy, but are prone to the same stability issues that problem gamblers face psychologically. I'm not saying there aren't people who occasionally partake in a little bit of microtransactions for a game that they enjoy (I myself have done so) and I'm also not saying that there aren't people who will talk all kinds of mess on a game only to then go in and Play it anyway, but when it comes to games like Diablo immortal which is the one shown on screen, and almost certainly to a lesser extent games like OverWatch, developers abusing the psychological weaknesses of those people that we call whales is factually how a lot of these games power their engines. That's just the truth
flats idea for rein
Make him regen shields on his shield projector while being healed over 100% this could give him a shield wall tech where healing rein allows him to keep his shield up far longer but without a healer healing over 100 then he only gains hp not shields
Qp and comp feel the exact same, the hell are you smoking?
It is stagnant, no movement up or down is still bad when considering this game has been out for over a year and has barely seen an increase in players.
A game that isn't growing is a game that's dying. Stability isn't a thing in gaming.
It may not be dying, but the trust is definitely broken. I don't expect them to really improve, let alone do anything crazy like PVE, that's why every little improvement they do feels like a W (when really, that shouldv'e been the case in the beginning already, but it isn't)
Anyone know what the outro song is?
I'll completely disagree with Push being a good mode. I'll take Assault maps any and every day before playing Push.
The free loot boxes were great. Dont get what the issue is with being rewarded for playing the game.
0:50 gonna have to disagree on this point, I haven't touched overwatch in more than a year (and even then I didn't play it a lot since ow 1), yet I still watch you.
I don’t think Overwatch is dying. I think Overwatch is dead.
8:53 CryBabyLynx complains about ads, Flats roasts him and chat goes nuts. I wanna know what Flats said LOL
In all likelihood, going free to play was probably what saved Overwatch, at least for now. When TF2 was dying, and bleeding the last bastion of its players, (the xbox version was legit dead) it also went free to play. They added microtransactions and a player economy. That was more than a decade ago and the game is, even now, doing better than overwatch on an optics level.
Stop trying to justify insane game/in-game item prices by comparing it with luxuries like drinking at expensive bars and taking ubers around. Gaming should be something that can be enjoyed by everyone regardless of your social class. That was what made it great. Now big titles are becoming 60-70++USD, making it near impossible to afford for people living in developing countries or weak currencies. It's not even a cosmetics issue, you see how they purposely made Mauga overpowered and you can only get him after grinding everyday for at least 1-2 weeks. And if you have a full time job and live in a poor country you are literally not on the same playing field as the opponent team.
Fuck that, I choose to play video games because I didnt want to spend 200 bucks a weekend.
The glazing is diabolical
I’m beginning to become convinced that none of you actually play overwatch, you just log onto various communities online to discuss the “state” it is in.
22:15 this is so god damn real
You should have mild skill progression playing against people with the relative same amount of progression. First time to return your points is free but after it costs money. Best way to get money without being money hungry and turning the skill progression from pve to pvp
I totally agree with flats. OW2 lifespan for me:
S1-2: broken
S3: best
S4-5-6: floor
S7-8: Slowly going up
S9: i absolutely have 0 thrust for them to really making the good changes but it looks like it will get better.
I hope we get rank portraits and separation of solo que vs group que or at least game telling me there are grouped players in my matches. ''Preferred heroes'' when i hover over teammates portrait. In terms of balance, nade needs to go. Hog and Mauga needs to be toned down a bit.
This is the first season pass I probably won't finish. It's a combination of things for me, the reason I barely play ATM. 1 it feels stale, same maps over and over. 2 no matter what mode I play, I get teamed up with the worst of the worst players and the other team plays like GM's. 3 the paywall.. everyone complained about loot boxes, but you actually go chances to get that cool new legendary skin you wanted, instead of it being just behind a paywall. Season passes seem lacking, over all just stale ATM. Put 6 v6 in as an arcade mode which would bring back the old modes with older maps. Something different
*I'll do 1 pushup for every like this comment gets* 😢😊
Not again
I'll eat 1 Ford F150 for every like their comment doesn't get
This should be easy 23 can be done in a single set
@@akapanda5962fr I hope he sticks to it! exercise is hella vital
Proof or fake
we need more content like animated shorts, those really helped establish Overwatch as an IP. How there’s not an Overwatch show on netflix or something yet is beyond me and seems like such a missed opportunity
The marketing team for blizzard is so trash. The art team is carrying 40% of this game. So I’m with you, I don’t understand why we haven’t given the art team room to thrive. Blizzard’s marketing team is really holding them back. Riot games for example has both good art and marketing and they literally can’t be stopped on the gaming scene.
True, I haven't watched a show or movie in years now, but that is something that I would actually watch the F out of.
iirc, the one who was behind the overwatch cinematics retired no? he was the wow guy but irl, the character was based of him.
Okay but how does that make the game better? More immersive yes but it does nothing to fix the problems the game has.
@@Bongkaiii it's advertisement, but without a corpa feel. bringing more players to overwatch would give more incentive for the higher ups to give instructions to devs to fix the game.
A big problem with hero challenges to unlock them is if you miss two hero releases like I did (lifeweaver and illari) then you can only progress one character challenge at a time. So I needed 80 or so games for two heroes, during a season where both were very strong (last season)
Wait, let's say I come back after a year and I want rammatra and mauga? Can't I do this challenges?
@@misterfevillord1588you can do the challenges but you can only activate and progress one hero challenge at a time.
@@misterfevillord1588 Yes but one at a time.
@@Gerwhal you mean one per season?
@@misterfevillord1588 u can only activate one hero's challenge at a time , its not like u have to complete all the challenges to activate another hero's challenges but u can only progress the challenges that are active
U can unlock multiple characters in a season , but u need to play a lot of games
flats forgets that he used to be a "buT tHERe is STIll PvE"
Flats always pretends his opinions were different than what they actually were.
Even in one of his previous vids he said "sure the game isnt good right now, but at least its not season 4/5 so its not that bad".
Radiates the same energy as "my dad only hit me ONCE today, he must be happy!"
Yeah he’s full of hypocrisies and contradictions these days causes he’s a slave to the almighty blizzard dollar
So Ow2 move from super bad to bad
@muysli.y1855 gameplay is still fun, and it seems to be heading from fair to good for systems.