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Hi Tom! I am not a fan of canned fuel for economic reasons. It's so expensive, the price difference you pay with canned fuel over the life of the equipment will pay for new equipment, usually more than once.
Bill the Old Man at Eliminator Performance just commenting that we sell the B&S Kinetix brand of alkylate fuel 4 cycle, and 50:1 & 40;1 grades to all our customers for long term storage and even for 5 to 6 month storage use. In all cases we guarantee two year start up and to date can tell you that our annual profit margin has decreased due to these fuel sales. Additionally, our neighbour has 5 pieces of 2 stroke equipment and uses the Kinetix brand full time for the last 6 years without issue. We presently sell a can for $15 and reduce that price for multiple can purchases so our neighbour spends approximately $78 Cdn annually and prior to that was spending way more than that on labour and carb cleans and rebuilds. We feel bad for our customers that do not use an alkylate fuel and year end for storage, especially when their equipment does not start and they need to bring it here again. Many even when they have run the unit out of fuel noting they never get it all out of the carb bowl. The up sale here at EP really is "you can pay me now or you can pay me later" the smart ones spend the $15 pass the information on to their friends etc. and we continue to grow the customer base. One full service which includes a carb clean and fresh fuel here pays for 10 cans of Kinetix.
@waynestefinashen239 Hi Wayne! I agree with you completely that canned fuel is better for storage than untreated mix, and it allows people that don't store properly to get away with it. I tell my locals to use Sta-bil all year due to the heat here and to run them dry at the end of the year and have had really good luck that way. Lemme show my logic for not using canned: Counting the additive price into the fuel cost brings it to about $3 a gallon(gas is cheap in Texas 😁). The best price we get for a gallon of any canned fuel here is $31 and change. I go through about 4 gallons a year in my yard between weedeater, backpack blower, chainsaw, etc. And spend about $12 a year on fuel. I haven't had fuel issues(so far), and I replace all my lawn gear about every 8 years or so. In 8 years' time, my fuel cost here using canned fuel would be around $1000 as opposed to around $100 for pump gas and 2 stroke mix and Sta-bil. If you store correctly, which we both know a lot of people don't, that's $900+ over the life of the equipment. Of course, the whole "storing correctly" will shoot some people in the foot 🙄🤣
@@GuysPlayingWithTools Got your point Bill we are using the BGSC2 fuel stabilizer now never had issues with the K100S+ just wanted another great alternative.
The problem I have with this fuel is not only the price but the fact that it cleans carbon buildup on 2stroke tool engines which are relatively easy to disassemble and clean manually. If it was few cents additive, it would make much more sense.
The point of these fuels imo is storage stability and protection. I know of a chainsaw that stayed with aspen 2 in its gas tank for 5 years and started on the 3rd pull. That's what sold me on it.
I run 50:1 in my Husky 135, 455 rancher and stihl 08s. Stihl hand blower and hedge cutter and I have had no problems with a fouled plug or spark screen and the machines always fire up and run. The biggest improvement is extracting the ethanol. I can pick up any of my machines even after 2 or 3 months and they will fire and run as they should. It was an interesting experiment but the fuel is very expensive. Good video.
Thanks for your videos I would say it's likely if there is any improvement it is from the 2 hrs of full throttle that cleaned it ,most don't use 2 strokes properly which can cause excessive carbon build up
Great video my friend, I can't say anything about Stihl Motomix as I've never used it but I can say 110 percent that Aspen 2 does. I used to mix my own fuel but I was recommended Aspen 2 by my local shop quite a few years ago and have used it ever since. A prime example of it is I have a Stihl SH86 vac/shredder and every time I serviced it the piston crown and exhaust port had carbon deposits on it, since using Aspen 2 the inside of the engine looks like brand new with no carbon deposits and same goes with all my other two stroke equipment. It takes a few tank fulls but it works. Yes it costs a bit more but I don't mind paying that bit extra for it and I would recommend Aspen 2 and 4 any day. Keep up the great videos my friend.
Yea the oil Aspen 2 uses is superior to HP ultra from Stihl. That oil burns super dirty, I'm never using it again. Their regular mineral oil, the red HP, is superior in every single way....
I have used Aspen2 for several years now and I am seriously impressed by it. FWIW. I use Aspen 4 in my generator and the cleanliness of the oil does indicate how little contamination of the sump oil is definitely indicative. If you used it from purchase you would know that there’s less carbon, especially in mufflers on two strokes. The big plus is reliability of starting after long lay ups .
Having some on hand, especially in a generator makes a lot of sense. When you need the generator, you’re most often in a predicament and you can’t afford the time to just take it in for repairs! Thanks for sharing :)
Yea, this thing doesn't seem to age at all in sealed containers (like the gas tank for example). Had a family member that used Aspen 2 in their chainsaw and left it for around 5 years unused. I was intrigued and I went with him to start it. Ran on the 3rd pull like it was fresh gas!
Thanks for the good video! Correctly mixed, fresh pump fuel will not give excessive carbon buildup provided everything else is right. I see the advantages of alkylate fuel in other aspects: Less toxic both as a liquid and as exhaust fumes, unlimited shelf life, no chance of getting the mix ratio wrong. For the normal home owner the added cost will not be too forbidding. When it came out here in Germany, some experts advised against using it in older machines that ran on pump fuel before. I'm not sure of the arguments used any more. You do not hear this opinion nowadays, so I guess "experts" may be in error as well ;-) I use alkylate fuels in older and newer equipment without any issues. But it may be just me, as I neither have issues with modern 5-10% ethanol pump fuel in my small 4-strokers ;-) The correct setting of the carburetor is more important for trouble free operation than alkylate fuel or not. I have used the generic term alkylate fuel and no brand name because in my opinion they are all alike.
Thanks for sharing!! I agree much cleaner burning and less toxic, which for many is enough justification :) I have used it in both old and new equipment and I haven’t had an issue. Now days I only use it in particular circumstances like storage :)
Not worth the money. I can get rec90 at our gas station and mix with echo red armor. By running like you did , you even created a better heat sink than I could. Great video.
I just bought my first can a couple months ago….only because I bought a new Stihl 500i, and didn’t want to have warranty issues saying I had incorrect fuel oil ratio. 👍👍👍
Alkylated gas is great, the problem is the HP ultra oil. I personally get Aspen 4 and add my own oil (Motul 800 offroad). Very happy with the result, and bad gas/hardened rubbers are a thing of the past.
Great video as always Tom 👍 - my experience - mainly with chainsaws - is that cleaning does happen especially around the rings. I also see saws which has run on MotoMix from new - and after 2-3 years of commercial use there are hardly any carbon build up in exhaust port or top of combustion chamber, piston crown or spark plug. Of topic but alkylate gasoline like Aspen2 and MotoMix will also make diaphrams and fuel lines last longer compared to pump gasoline containing ethanol.
I have three 2stroke pieces of equipment that I use TruFuel in and I have never had starting issues even after a Canadian winter storage season. Here the fuel is about $30 a gallon.
I always used to go with the aspen 2 stroke pre mixed fuel as I was told, and believed, that it cleans the whole engine. I did a similar test to what you did in this video and found it made little difference to mixing my own fuel, not really cost effective in my opinion. Great video though 😃👍
I'm not sure that ANYONE out working in the bush or woodlot is thinking about emissions. I know I don't. I simply need to get the job done, with whatever works. I've used premium gasoline (ethanol free) and quality two-stroke oils at 32:1 for decades, even in my newest saws, and have had absolutely no trouble. My oldest saws, a 1974 Homelite XL-2, an early 70s Homelite XL-12 and a 1979 Stihl 028AV, are still in regular use. Try seeing how long the newer saws at 50:1 last!
I think it did make a difference albeit a small one, but over time it could make a much larger difference. For the sake if the test I think if you ran the blower tuned rich it could have been far more noticeable. Great video though. It would be great if canned fuel was cheaper.
As my buddy Claus the Hobby Motor in Denmark pointed out to me alkylate fuel will not remove grease from a workbench but when used full time on a new piece of equipment the engine will run perfectly, start up even after a prolonged 2 year storage, keep the internal components as new and even help clean up some carbon deposits on older equipment. Here at EP we started buying Aspen until our B&S distributor switched to their own brand called Kinetix which we have been selling for many years now without issue. As i commented to Bill our profit margins decreased because of these sales when we look at our customer base that purchased this fuel simply because start ups where not an issue anymore. In the positive end our customer base and sales of Kinetix has grown substantially just from customer referrals to others thus a profit margin growth.
Hey Wayne! Yes he mentioned that to me before too :) he’s a smart guy with lots of experience in engine repair isn’t he! I had wondered how much people would lose in business from recommending it Thanks for sharing mate :) glad the sales have helped counteract the reduction in repairs!!
@@VintageEngineRepairs Thanks Tom anytime you can do something for your customers that eliminate them from having to come back is a positive issue for us. Since we started selling the Kinetix we now get mowers coming back ever 2 to 4 years for full service (but never a carb cleaning issue) vs. before the customer used the alkylate fuel for storage sometimes every year for a no start issue and even if longer the carb always had ethanol build up in them.
I Don’t See a Huge Difference I Think Motomix Works Good For the Occasional User In Preventing Stale Fuel in There Equipment After Sitting For Several Mos 😀 But If Your a Frequent User Just Use 93 Octane 40:1 Stihl Premium or Echo Red Armor and Run With It 😊😇👍🏼 Thanks For The Testing My Friend
Providing you are using a quality oil and making a proper mix to the proper ration you are 100% correct but for annual storage at EP we suggest using our Kinetix brand alkylate fuel with our guarantee start up even up to two years. One service for a no start condition due to ethanol pays for many cans of alkylate fuel.
I like Alkylate fuel to store my machines, but I think it's a bold claim to say they will clean the carbon. I buy the Aspen 4 and Mix my own Amsoil Sabre at 40:1 rather than buying the Husqvarna, Stihl or Aspen 2, It is very expensive. Totally Ethanol Fuel is now hard to come buy in the UK. Shell and Esso say their premium unleaded is up to 5% ethanol. So I tend to buy these and have not had any problems so far.
@@VintageEngineRepairs It is £24 or $46 Australian Dollars, which seems expensive. I always give Aspen back in things that I fix for others. I know then that it's not the fuel that has gone bad if they are occasional users.
Can we run it again with regular fuel /oil mix in the same way, 1 litre WOT, to see if it gets dirtier after the same conditions, to eliminate the possible cleaning effects of the 'Italian service' it also got with the moto mix? If it only previously got used periodically for a few minutes then it could be argued that simply a prolonged spanking was enough to do a little bit of cleaning. If nothing else it'll be a much cheaper video to produce! I use echo power blend gold jaso fd made in USA (by spectrum i believe) at 50:1 with higher grade fuel for lowest/no ethanol in everything, we mostly have echo equipment worked hard commercially every day. Plenty of high hour engines in the fleet, they are all extremely clean internally, even after 300 to 500 hours. Never fouled a spark arrestor or plug, never had a wear related failure etc. A couple of older units must easily be pushing 800 plus hours, no issues. It's very easy folks, read the manual and do what it says. Edit: Not knocking mixed fuels, for infrequent use, especially by home owners, it solves a lot of shelf life and storage issues. Carb diaphragms rejoice! But as a business we use so much fuel, not worth expense and always fresh/correct mix.
Don’t use expensive fuel mixes use good quality oil : I use Mobile 1 2T it’s been excellent for my high powered RC 2 stroke engines 25:1 & 28:1 are good mix for my needs, some weed wackers are saying 50:1 that’s lean and will cause hi temperatures and premature wear
No, you don't need good quality oil at all. You can use engine oil in all two stroke gas engines. If you buy two stroke oil it says 2% on the bottle, that is 50:1. That is what you should use for a mix ratio. 25:1 is 4 % and it is going to generate a bit of smoke, with no other benefits than a bit of extra smoke.
@@Drottninggatan2017 I understand if your talking about certain low reving engines that are not designed for high performance, I’ve used a load of different oils in the past with good gas , I would never use a basic oil in my engines, the standard for high performance 2 stroke engines is a 25:1 mix , I don’t ever have excessive smoke or any issues because my tuning is always on point,
May bee on a new machine it will keep it clean, just a thought Hard to. Say on a two hour run, $45 is expensive, even though if you look at contents within fuel it’s good to use, especially for our American Friends that have little choice of fuels in some states.😊
I just pour in any amount of oil if it wasn't fuel that's been pinched from my 2 stroke motorbikes that have been sitting for several months.. never had a drama.
Oh dear. What have you done.... Now we're all going to want to see videos if exactly this but with various oils...... Red armour and its cleaning claims. Motorcycle FD oils and a slew of others. I enjoy the teardown vids. I think it's cool especially if you can see a notable difference. Personally I don't use a lot of 2 stroke equipment however when I do I run Motorcycle FD oil and ethanol free fuel.
hola maestro una pregunta tengo una sopladora cómo esa él problema es perdió toda su fuerza como si estuviera mormada como si estuviera tapado el escape le doy le doy a las agujas del reloj del carburador y ella sigue muy floja botando gasolina por el carburador cambié carburador y el mismo problema sigue muy floja mi máquina no quiere trabajar
Why would you bother worrying about the very small amount of carbon build up we get these days with good quality modern 2 stroke oil? In the good old days you had to un-block the exhaust port and burn the muffler out regularly. If you mix 50/1 properly these old problems don’t seem to be a problem anymore. That expensive premix fuel is for people with plenty of money.
@steveriggenbach90 4stroke leaves alot of ash but can be used . I use good quality 2 stroke oil 32:1 in all saws . Also non alcohol fuel. I raced motocross bikes Enduro all two stroke . They of course require synthetic racing oils .
@@Nudnik1 I’ve had great luck with echo red in my equipment. Lucky to have station that sells non ethanol rec 90. Today’s oils are superb to the old. Works better with the heat and tighter tolerances. Haven’t rode in years. Good talking to you.
@steveriggenbach90 yeah on old school two strokes any oil is ok. Some needed 20:1 mix even 16:1 lol blue smoke . I use Belray in my high output saws 372xp and 088 Stihl .
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Hi Tom! I am not a fan of canned fuel for economic reasons. It's so expensive, the price difference you pay with canned fuel over the life of the equipment will pay for new equipment, usually more than once.
Hey Bill! I agree, it’s overpriced and unnecessary often times! It has its place, but not for most people :)
@VintageEngineRepairs 🙂
Bill the Old Man at Eliminator Performance just commenting that we sell the B&S Kinetix brand of alkylate fuel 4 cycle, and 50:1 & 40;1 grades to all our customers for long term storage and even for 5 to 6 month storage use. In all cases we guarantee two year start up and to date can tell you that our annual profit margin has decreased due to these fuel sales. Additionally, our neighbour has 5 pieces of 2 stroke equipment and uses the Kinetix brand full time for the last 6 years without issue. We presently sell a can for $15 and reduce that price for multiple can purchases so our neighbour spends approximately $78 Cdn annually and prior to that was spending way more than that on labour and carb cleans and rebuilds. We feel bad for our customers that do not use an alkylate fuel and year end for storage, especially when their equipment does not start and they need to bring it here again. Many even when they have run the unit out of fuel noting they never get it all out of the carb bowl. The up sale here at EP really is "you can pay me now or you can pay me later" the smart ones spend the $15 pass the information on to their friends etc. and we continue to grow the customer base. One full service which includes a carb clean and fresh fuel here pays for 10 cans of Kinetix.
@waynestefinashen239 Hi Wayne! I agree with you completely that canned fuel is better for storage than untreated mix, and it allows people that don't store properly to get away with it. I tell my locals to use Sta-bil all year due to the heat here and to run them dry at the end of the year and have had really good luck that way. Lemme show my logic for not using canned: Counting the additive price into the fuel cost brings it to about $3 a gallon(gas is cheap in Texas 😁). The best price we get for a gallon of any canned fuel here is $31 and change. I go through about 4 gallons a year in my yard between weedeater, backpack blower, chainsaw, etc. And spend about $12 a year on fuel. I haven't had fuel issues(so far), and I replace all my lawn gear about every 8 years or so.
In 8 years' time, my fuel cost here using canned fuel would be around $1000 as opposed to around $100 for pump gas and 2 stroke mix and Sta-bil. If you store correctly, which we both know a lot of people don't, that's $900+ over the life of the equipment. Of course, the whole "storing correctly" will shoot some people in the foot 🙄🤣
@@GuysPlayingWithTools Got your point Bill we are using the BGSC2 fuel stabilizer now never had issues with the K100S+ just wanted another great alternative.
The problem I have with this fuel is not only the price but the fact that it cleans carbon buildup on 2stroke tool engines which are relatively easy to disassemble and clean manually. If it was few cents additive, it would make much more sense.
Very valid points :)
The point of these fuels imo is storage stability and protection. I know of a chainsaw that stayed with aspen 2 in its gas tank for 5 years and started on the 3rd pull. That's what sold me on it.
I run 50:1 in my Husky 135, 455 rancher and stihl 08s. Stihl hand blower and hedge cutter and I have had no problems with a fouled plug or spark screen and the machines always fire up and run. The biggest improvement is extracting the ethanol. I can pick up any of my machines even after 2 or 3 months and they will fire and run as they should. It was an interesting experiment but the fuel is very expensive. Good video.
Yeah ethanol is a real pain! Thanks for sharing :)
Thanks for your videos
I would say it's likely if there is any improvement it is from the 2 hrs of full throttle that cleaned it ,most don't use 2 strokes properly which can cause excessive carbon build up
Very valid points :)
Great video my friend, I can't say anything about Stihl Motomix as I've never used it but I can say 110 percent that Aspen 2 does. I used to mix my own fuel but I was recommended Aspen 2 by my local shop quite a few years ago and have used it ever since. A prime example of it is I have a Stihl SH86 vac/shredder and every time I serviced it the piston crown and exhaust port had carbon deposits on it, since using Aspen 2 the inside of the engine looks like brand new with no carbon deposits and same goes with all my other two stroke equipment. It takes a few tank fulls but it works. Yes it costs a bit more but I don't mind paying that bit extra for it and I would recommend Aspen 2 and 4 any day. Keep up the great videos my friend.
I wish we could get aspen here in Australia! Glad you like it and have gotten excellent results! Thanks for sharing :)
@@VintageEngineRepairs,yep we always behind most countries. I dumped Stihl mix long time ago !
Yea the oil Aspen 2 uses is superior to HP ultra from Stihl. That oil burns super dirty, I'm never using it again. Their regular mineral oil, the red HP, is superior in every single way....
I have used Aspen2 for several years now and I am seriously impressed by it. FWIW. I use Aspen 4 in my generator and the cleanliness of the oil does indicate how little contamination of the sump oil is definitely indicative. If you used it from purchase you would know that there’s less carbon, especially in mufflers on two strokes. The big plus is reliability of starting after long lay ups .
Having some on hand, especially in a generator makes a lot of sense. When you need the generator, you’re most often in a predicament and you can’t afford the time to just take it in for repairs! Thanks for sharing :)
Yea, this thing doesn't seem to age at all in sealed containers (like the gas tank for example). Had a family member that used Aspen 2 in their chainsaw and left it for around 5 years unused. I was intrigued and I went with him to start it. Ran on the 3rd pull like it was fresh gas!
Thanks for the good video!
Correctly mixed, fresh pump fuel will not give excessive carbon buildup provided everything else is right. I see the advantages of alkylate fuel in other aspects: Less toxic both as a liquid and as exhaust fumes, unlimited shelf life, no chance of getting the mix ratio wrong. For the normal home owner the added cost will not be too forbidding. When it came out here in Germany, some experts advised against using it in older machines that ran on pump fuel before. I'm not sure of the arguments used any more. You do not hear this opinion nowadays, so I guess "experts" may be in error as well ;-)
I use alkylate fuels in older and newer equipment without any issues. But it may be just me, as I neither have issues with modern 5-10% ethanol pump fuel in my small 4-strokers ;-)
The correct setting of the carburetor is more important for trouble free operation than alkylate fuel or not.
I have used the generic term alkylate fuel and no brand name because in my opinion they are all alike.
Thanks for sharing!! I agree much cleaner burning and less toxic, which for many is enough justification :) I have used it in both old and new equipment and I haven’t had an issue. Now days I only use it in particular circumstances like storage :)
Not worth the money. I can get rec90 at our gas station and mix with echo red armor. By running like you did , you even created a better heat sink than I could. Great video.
Thanks for sharing :) that’s great, ethanol is a pain! Fortunately we don’t have it here in Western Australia!
MODERN ETHANOL PETROL IS SHIT AND NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE, SIMPLE AS THAT😊
I just bought my first can a couple months ago….only because I bought a new Stihl 500i, and didn’t want to have warranty issues saying I had incorrect fuel oil ratio. 👍👍👍
Nothing wrong with that :) good idea!
Alkylated gas is great, the problem is the HP ultra oil. I personally get Aspen 4 and add my own oil (Motul 800 offroad). Very happy with the result, and bad gas/hardened rubbers are a thing of the past.
If I had the option for aspen 4 out here that’s exactly what I’d get :)
Great video as always Tom 👍 - my experience - mainly with chainsaws - is that cleaning does happen especially around the rings. I also see saws which has run on MotoMix from new - and after 2-3 years of commercial use there are hardly any carbon build up in exhaust port or top of combustion chamber, piston crown or spark plug. Of topic but alkylate gasoline like Aspen2 and MotoMix will also make diaphrams and fuel lines last longer compared to pump gasoline containing ethanol.
Hey Claus! Thanks for the kind words mate :) you raise excellent points there and I couldn’t agree more! Cheers 🍻
I have three 2stroke pieces of equipment that I use TruFuel in and I have never had starting issues even after a Canadian winter storage season. Here the fuel is about $30 a gallon.
Sometimes it’s worth the expense to avoid the problems!!
I always used to go with the aspen 2 stroke pre mixed fuel as I was told, and believed, that it cleans the whole engine. I did a similar test to what you did in this video and found it made little difference to mixing my own fuel, not really cost effective in my opinion.
Great video though 😃👍
Thanks for sharing your experience!!
I'm not sure that ANYONE out working in the bush or woodlot is thinking about emissions. I know I don't. I simply need to get the job done, with whatever works. I've used premium gasoline (ethanol free) and quality two-stroke oils at 32:1 for decades, even in my newest saws, and have had absolutely no trouble. My oldest saws, a 1974 Homelite XL-2, an early 70s Homelite XL-12 and a 1979 Stihl 028AV, are still in regular use. Try seeing how long the newer saws at 50:1 last!
With your fuel / oil ratio you can’t go wrong :) thanks for sharing!
It looked a wee bit cleaner but not much. I’m more impressed you use an Olight, great torches I have a few
Ha, I love it, fits my needs perfectly :)
Nice video. I wonder how much of the difference is due to fuel and how much is due to a long uninterrupted full power run.
Great question!! Very valid point :)
I think it did make a difference albeit a small one, but over time it could make a much larger difference. For the sake if the test I think if you ran the blower tuned rich it could have been far more noticeable. Great video though. It would be great if canned fuel was cheaper.
Thanks for the feedback you raise some excellent points!!
As my buddy Claus the Hobby Motor in Denmark pointed out to me alkylate fuel will not remove grease from a workbench but when used full time on a new piece of equipment the engine will run perfectly, start up even after a prolonged 2 year storage, keep the internal components as new and even help clean up some carbon deposits on older equipment. Here at EP we started buying Aspen until our B&S distributor switched to their own brand called Kinetix which we have been selling for many years now without issue. As i commented to Bill our profit margins decreased because of these sales when we look at our customer base that purchased this fuel simply because start ups where not an issue anymore. In the positive end our customer base and sales of Kinetix has grown substantially just from customer referrals to others thus a profit margin growth.
Hey Wayne! Yes he mentioned that to me before too :) he’s a smart guy with lots of experience in engine repair isn’t he! I had wondered how much people would lose in business from recommending it Thanks for sharing mate :) glad the sales have helped counteract the reduction in repairs!!
@@VintageEngineRepairs Thanks Tom anytime you can do something for your customers that eliminate them from having to come back is a positive issue for us. Since we started selling the Kinetix we now get mowers coming back ever 2 to 4 years for full service (but never a carb cleaning issue) vs. before the customer used the alkylate fuel for storage sometimes every year for a no start issue and even if longer the carb always had ethanol build up in them.
Excellent video
Thank you :)
I Don’t See a Huge Difference I Think Motomix Works Good For the Occasional User In Preventing Stale Fuel in There Equipment After Sitting For Several Mos 😀 But If Your a Frequent User Just Use 93 Octane 40:1 Stihl Premium or Echo Red Armor and Run With It 😊😇👍🏼 Thanks For The Testing My Friend
I think you’re spot on :) thanks for sharing!
Providing you are using a quality oil and making a proper mix to the proper ration you are 100% correct but for annual storage at EP we suggest using our Kinetix brand alkylate fuel with our guarantee start up even up to two years. One service for a no start condition due to ethanol pays for many cans of alkylate fuel.
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I like Alkylate fuel to store my machines, but I think it's a bold claim to say they will clean the carbon. I buy the Aspen 4 and Mix my own Amsoil Sabre at 40:1 rather than buying the Husqvarna, Stihl or Aspen 2, It is very expensive. Totally Ethanol Fuel is now hard to come buy in the UK. Shell and Esso say their premium unleaded is up to 5% ethanol. So I tend to buy these and have not had any problems so far.
I have heard good stuff about aspen :) good move!
@@VintageEngineRepairs It is £24 or
$46 Australian Dollars, which seems expensive. I always give Aspen back in things that I fix for others. I know then that it's not the fuel that has gone bad if they are occasional users.
In Canada all grades now have ethanol up to 10% the higher octane grades may have 5% but we have tested some at 10%
Can we run it again with regular fuel /oil mix in the same way, 1 litre WOT, to see if it gets dirtier after the same conditions, to eliminate the possible cleaning effects of the 'Italian service' it also got with the moto mix? If it only previously got used periodically for a few minutes then it could be argued that simply a prolonged spanking was enough to do a little bit of cleaning. If nothing else it'll be a much cheaper video to produce!
I use echo power blend gold jaso fd made in USA (by spectrum i believe) at 50:1 with higher grade fuel for lowest/no ethanol in everything, we mostly have echo equipment worked hard commercially every day. Plenty of high hour engines in the fleet, they are all extremely clean internally, even after 300 to 500 hours. Never fouled a spark arrestor or plug, never had a wear related failure etc. A couple of older units must easily be pushing 800 plus hours, no issues. It's very easy folks, read the manual and do what it says.
Edit: Not knocking mixed fuels, for infrequent use, especially by home owners, it solves a lot of shelf life and storage issues. Carb diaphragms rejoice! But as a business we use so much fuel, not worth expense and always fresh/correct mix.
You raise some excellent, very valid points :) unfortunately it’s not with my any more, it went back to the customer!
@VintageEngineRepairs Good to know there's another old echo released back into the wild!
Thanks
Thank you :)
Don’t use expensive fuel mixes use good quality oil : I use Mobile 1 2T it’s been excellent for my high powered RC 2 stroke engines 25:1 & 28:1 are good mix for my needs, some weed wackers are saying 50:1 that’s lean and will cause hi temperatures and premature wear
No, you don't need good quality oil at all. You can use engine oil in all two stroke gas engines.
If you buy two stroke oil it says 2% on the bottle, that is 50:1. That is what you should use for a mix ratio.
25:1 is 4 % and it is going to generate a bit of smoke, with no other benefits than a bit of extra smoke.
@@Drottninggatan2017 I understand if your talking about certain low reving engines that are not designed for high performance, I’ve used a load of different oils in the past with good gas , I would never use a basic oil in my engines, the standard for high performance 2 stroke engines is a 25:1 mix , I don’t ever have excessive smoke or any issues because my tuning is always on point,
50:1 often will reduce the life expectancy of an engine, I agree!
May bee on a new machine it will keep it clean, just a thought
Hard to. Say on a two hour run, $45 is expensive, even though if you look at contents within fuel it’s good to use, especially for our American Friends that have little choice of fuels in some states.😊
Well said!! :)
Does it burn/run alot hotter?
Hmm that’s a great question!! I’m not sure honestly!
Being almost perfect clean before the test, there was nothing to improve.
Thanks for sharing
I just pour in any amount of oil if it wasn't fuel that's been pinched from my 2 stroke motorbikes that have been sitting for several months.. never had a drama.
Haha fair enough!
Oh dear. What have you done....
Now we're all going to want to see videos if exactly this but with various oils......
Red armour and its cleaning claims. Motorcycle FD oils and a slew of others.
I enjoy the teardown vids. I think it's cool especially if you can see a notable difference.
Personally I don't use a lot of 2 stroke equipment however when I do I run Motorcycle FD oil and ethanol free fuel.
Hahahaha I opened a can of worms 🤣
Full synthetic and 93 octane like belray klotz moteul and also Walmart doesn't carbon up your machines last much longer
Thanks for sharing :)
hola maestro una pregunta tengo una sopladora cómo esa él problema es perdió toda su fuerza como si estuviera mormada como si estuviera tapado el escape le doy le doy a las agujas del reloj del carburador y ella sigue muy floja botando gasolina por el carburador cambié carburador y el mismo problema sigue muy floja mi máquina no quiere trabajar
Hey, check the piston skirt for scoring on the exhaust side :)
Muy bien gracias mi amigo saludos y cuídate
Why would you bother worrying about the very small amount of carbon build up we get these days with good quality modern 2 stroke oil? In the good old days you had to un-block the exhaust port and burn the muffler out regularly. If you mix 50/1 properly these old problems don’t seem to be a problem anymore. That expensive premix fuel is for people with plenty of money.
Thanks for sharing Jeff 👍🏻👍🏻
More gimmicks .
I have been running motors on normal oil for 50 years never had issues.
Its not a F1 engine.
Cheers 🥂
Thanks for sharing :)
My Dad, even up through his 80’s used regular motor oil. He mixed his own. That’s what they had. His equipment always ran great and clean.
@steveriggenbach90 4stroke leaves alot of ash but can be used .
I use good quality 2 stroke oil 32:1 in all saws .
Also non alcohol fuel.
I raced motocross bikes Enduro all two stroke .
They of course require synthetic racing oils .
@@Nudnik1 I’ve had great luck with echo red in my equipment. Lucky to have station that sells non ethanol rec 90. Today’s oils are superb to the old. Works better with the heat and tighter tolerances. Haven’t rode in years. Good talking to you.
@steveriggenbach90 yeah on old school two strokes any oil is ok.
Some needed 20:1 mix even 16:1 lol blue smoke .
I use Belray in my high output saws 372xp and 088 Stihl .
Like a lot of this sort of stuff all it seems to do is make the manufacture rich and does nothing for your engine.??? anyway good video. 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for sharing! :)
Always an interesting channel! Do you think if you used Motomix or Aspen on a regular basis, it would begin cleaning the 2 stroke engine further?
Thanks mate!! Honestly I’m really not sure :/ it would be interesting to see though wouldn’t it!
NO MOTO MIXS NO !!! Huswarna Xp oil 2t,Motul 710 2t sintetick 4,5/1
Haha I like your passion / enthusiasm for the topic!
Strething the truth is a american thing,
You got what you asked for , truth not included !
LOL thanks for sharing 👍🏻
No , just out right lying 🤥
🤣👍🏻
is it that all salesmen are liars or all liars become salesmen.
LOL