also some artists are better at rendering than linework/anatomy/proportions. I've seen a lot of real artists with perfectly polished works but loose proportipns. heck, I'm one of those artists 💀
Not only horrible arguments. But that is very facts about artists. Lineart never matches the rendering level. Who thinks both are matching is never an artist. Even good artists fall short in this matter.
@@KanikVT i think they're two different skill sets. it's common for artists to do great lineart and great rendering, yes, but some people tend to put down lines differently. that doesn't affect the rendering processas much, but it does affect lineart because you need to put down clean lines in order for the lineart to look good. that's where you get people cleaning up sketches in order to get to rendering faster
Even if A.I didn't exist. You still will get F wankers doing this to artists anyway. People who got beef about someone's work should do it privately. Those who don't are attention seekers doing their virtual signalling. They ruined someone reputation and career and no money and some damn IPAD going to fix it.
yeah its insane, a few years ago i wouldnt care if my hair strands were not consistent and my jacket has one extra flap bc it looks cool, nowadays you kinda have to fight for your life because unstable schizo twitter users want to witch hunt for entertainment
Agreed! Honestly, I really like messy line art I think it adds to the drawings and makes it look more like a traditional style if you're doing it on the computer/ Tablet/ phone. It's honestly sad that it gets so much backlash
You did not watch the full video LOL the issue is not his linework. Look at the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated.
@@lmSheep I did watch the whole video, and there are tons of people hating on messy line art. It was also brought up as a point to use against them multiple times. I just wish people would stop using this as an excuse to blame people for doing so art or it “looking bad” or “unprofessional”
as an artist I don't think his art looks like AI, I think he simply has an artstyle that AI likes to reference often. and, to be completely honest, knowing that AI generated art is only going to continue to improve and eventually become indistinguishable, it feels wrong to accuse artists of using it for such minor details.
Tips to spot AI pictures , 100% garanty If you use the color specter in photoshop or any editing software , you will see that the noise patern dont change between the differents colors RGB you can also look for JPEG artifacts Those tips dont work if the person trace and paint over AI.
@@KamiLeVrai i just don't think there's much point in trying to hyperanalyze an artists work for AI because eventually it will become an outdated method. AI is improving rapidly regardless. What we should be pushing for is for transparency from artists, and if not from the artists themselves then for social media and the apps in question.
@@michaeldata5741Nah i test it yesterday on recently posted AI stuff, its still working Tested it on images generated on MidJourney , on SD 1.5 Model , on PonyDiffusion Model , on FLUX model
i think they have done more than enough to make up for the lapse in judgment. sure it shouldn't have been public, but them admitting they were wrong & paying him out from all those different sources is probably the best way to handle it
@@ash.networksthey said thier accusations were wrong but I didn't see them saying the were wrong to accuse in public to begin with. In fact the artist had to repeatedly appease accusers with " l can see why you think it might be ai" for common art struggles since long before ai art was a thing.
@@BarefootCM I don't think it's wrong to publicize it. The public deserved to know what's going on since some of them bought the pieces. Iced Tea Aesthetics had to juggle between Zuyu not responding and the public's opinions (including actual artists). I can see they did their best to be fair.
@@aishahshamsul8642 Knowing that adding a comment here may come across as unprofessional, I felt compelled to share my thoughts. I want to mention a key point to give a better picture of the issue. We were convinced by multiple well-known professional artists that AI played a significant (if not total) role in Zuyu's work. Some of these artists collaborate with us regularly, and others were part of their larger network. I want to emphasize that these are established professionals with substantial followings. As someone who isn’t an artist, I found their confidence and evidence persuasive (in hindsight it does feel stupid and incomplete). The evidence posted in the threads were created by the artists in question. The choice seemed to boil down to either "supporting AI in art" from the perspective of this large network of artists or starting a thread to criticize someone for what I increasingly believed was a justified reason. I am not saying this to excuse the mess that we created. I genuinely feel terrible for what I did to Zuyu. However, I believe this context is important to mention. I removed the threads after Zuyu provided me with ample evidence making it seem very unlikely that AI was used.
its the fact that its a constant mistake- people often spend a lot of time on the hands since they are hard to draw so not catching additional or missing fingers that many times is crazy
@@xBugx666xits lowkey not i tend to avoid hands but something i really focus on in my art is hair and i can sometimes not notice a mistake until im done but i still leave it id suppose theyd do the same
@@xBugx666xhim consistently having this issue shows it's an issue he as an artist struggles with, which is common lol. I have personally done almost every single one of these as an artist. I have been through periods of time where I was unhappy with the results of every hand I drew.
I think my issue here is....IcedTea should have asked for proof PRIVATELY. It's totally fine to want to vet the person you're working with. But this proof could have been asked for on Discord. This livestream could have been asked for behind the scenes. If Zuyu failed to provide, then make your threads. I hate AI art, but this is slowly becoming a Witch hunt on Twitter and real artists are getting caught in the cross fire. Also this whole "Artist dont make mistakes that often!" Is such bullshit and its harmful. im still learning and I make mistakes ALL the times. My artist friends who are at a much higher skill level also make mistakes like this at a semi constant rate. Are they always noticeable? No. But human error is gonna happen when HUMANS draw. They may catch it before they post. They may not.
That’s what happened though. Zuyu failed to provide information and then they made the thread. And yeah, AI art is damaging I agree, which is why the brand was so cautious and made that thread because if Zuyu was using ai, that could be harmful to ice tea whatever. As much as I feel bad for Zuyu, I can understand where the brand was coming from.
@@pancaqq4578 Was he active during that month and half though? Like actively posting on X and stuff. As i know if you live in China which i believe he does as he is Chinese. You need to use VPNs to connect to anything else and the Chinese government is always blocking that . which can take some time to get VPN back up.
Do you not see the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated. Even the video creator herself said this one has her sus.
@@lmSheepbruh i have made dumb mistakes like the shirt too and i just leave it because its lowkey just dumb and too much work to remove the littlest mistake especially when i draw clothes not to mention those types my drawing of those types of clothes always look messed up and literally what missing finger 💀
@@Moogchungus I literally watched the show and completely forgot he had those lol. Not saying that justifies what happened to Zuyu, just saying people's brains aren't the best sometimes. I am glad I was informed of what they were tho, I was pretty clueless earlier lol
As a smoker, that pose actually didn’t look weird to me. As soon as you brought it up, I thought of several situations of why that pose makes sense, especially if pieces can be looked at as snapshot moments. If Nanami was going to be holding the cigarette, the more standard cigarette hold (fingers facing you, with index above and middle finger below, thumb stabilizing behind) is probably what he would’ve drawn, not that Also, I actually prefer the “chicken scratch” sketching style, that’s how I draw also however, I’m a paper/pencil girly. It seemed like a stylistic choice to me
Same. As a smoker, my hand often hovers near my cigarette while I am still sucking from it. Besides, he looked lost in thought and this very much fits the pose too. Smoking, thinking, just about to grab the cigarette thingy. And to be fair most of these 'mistakes' were really arguable. Be it the color palette, the hands, or even the mismatched clothing on both sides. Not unseen errors at all. And anyway, the mistakes AI makes are mistakes it 'learned' by ingesting human artworks. I always find it strange when certain things are used to say it's certain evidence of AI usage.
he also doesn’t wear suspenders, i.e., they’re not holding up his pants. it’s a holster for his knife, so it makes sense you wouldn’t see the other strap- it’s not extending down to his pants, it’s going between his torso and arm and wrapping around the back, so it would be covered by the jacket. the thing she points to on the left below his armpit isn’t a vest or part of that holster, it’s the jacket behind him, hanging down and laying atop whatever surface he’s up against. sorry, not even what you were pointing out, i just had to gripe about that lol. the missing third knuckle would’ve for sure had me thinking twice, though
@@KittyKartel I feel like every artist has either accidentally added or omitted a digit somewhere on a hand or foot. I've accidentally drawn hands with only four fingers but the other hand has five multiple times (usually because I thought one of the fingers wouldn't be visible)
@@floofzykitty5072 I myself have drawn a hand with 4 fingers before (including the thumb) and it wasn't until the end of the art work when I finally zoomed out that I realized it.
As an artist with messy line corners & tendency to turn sketches into lineart and call it a day - I want to both laugh and cry at situations like this. Apart from the artstyle being something personal and individualistic to different artists, formed by their own learning pathways, there's a one funny thing: In some cases, sloppiness is a direct result of modern expectations and demands from artists. "More and faster" is the key to success in many areas, especially in the media space. If you don't print fanart and commissions like a madman, everybody loses interest pretty fast. It's TikTok age, after all. Re-learning & just learning to draw like a machine comes by the cost of quality; sometimes people resort to tracing and other cheating tactics, just to save time. Not defending this crap, but can sympathize. And bless those who just built different and can be both high quality and fast :'з So if you treat art like chips - don't look for cut diamonds on the bottom of the pack. Also, the heckin social pressure these AI witch hunts are putting on artists. "Prove to us, show us everything, follow these instructions from us right on livestream'' - thank god for deleted twitter and being underground furry artist, honestly. Some people find it relatively easy and just ''why not?'', but if I was in Zuyu's place - would cry and die right here and there.
You did not watch the full video LOL the issue is not his linework. Look at the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated.
@@lmSheep I've seen you reply this exact thing on a different comment here. Either you're spamming or you REALLY hate this guy. As an artist who often makes mistakes like this and relies heavily on references and cleaning up messy sketches...sometimes that shit just happens. You don't remember why you drew a certain line somewhere, but you render it and clean it up because you have to work faster, post things faster, just *get it done* and you save it and don't notice you painted something that doesn't make sense. And it's embarrassing. But now it is also, apparently to some of you on the internet, cause to ruin a person's reputation.
he doesn't use a gun. he has suspenders that attach to both sides of his pants at the hips and wrap around his back in the shape of an X. on the back, it holds his cleaver
i was thinking it could be suspenders and yuzu just forgot to draw the other side. cant tell you how many times i have accidentally done that with my own art lmao
@@ladyryuki308 ahh I see, that’s what others were saying. I assume he (artist) thought they were gun holsters, the way the brown piece was drawn it’s in the shape of a holster
@@XartiXVthose are trash and they ruined the end of my university years. It’s not art but writing ai detector, I was the leader of group of 7 people doing a research and writing everything each one of us was responsible for a section and after we finish I organize everything and correct grammar mistakes since I was the best with writing. Then at the end when we finished we submitted it to the professor she ran it through an Ai text detector to check if we used something to generate text for us (despite us taking a full year to actually write and test everything) and guess what happened ? The teacher told me that it was 90% ai generated 🤡 I send it her multiple proofs of use writing everything and despite that she told me to rewrite some sentences which took us an extra 10 days to finish and we had finals exams during that time as well it made me absolutely hate the entire last year of uni when I was supposed to enjoy it
When people say Generative art isn't harmful to artists... Then you hear more and more stories like this. Shit, people even falsely accuse the real deal in comments.
@@moirasandwich785 You’re living in the age of generative AI. Wanna be accused of using AI and have your reputation ruined just like the person in the video? Be my guest. 🧏🏾♀️
Problem are "Artist" that accusse without a real proof and the envy as a motivation. "look this supicious art that is better than me... is AI". In the end Money is the real motivation... How many times the accusser is just the competence of the artist accused ? Before launching a "thread" they must stop and think... "This really worth it?"
Ironic it won't be generative AI that destroy artist ,but ultimately other artist attacking each other and own personal ego . AI just become a new weapon for other artist to attack other artist for there own personal tiktok beefs .
I already charge people to read their messages if I have to jump on livestream and prove I’m not using A.I that’s $2,200. I had people wanting me to show my face on stream that’s extra $1,000
"Here's 500 now dance for us" it's gross and entitled and dehumanizing. "You should be grateful I'm throwing money at you" Imagine telling any other type of professional that.
The brand did not force him to do that, it was an offer before they initiate cancellation. They contacted him and did not get a response, that's why it got dragged into the open. They were okay when receiving the commissions since they aren't an artist but got complains about the art being AI by *customers* so they had to do something about it to not get a bad reputation. They simply asked for a proof that the work is genuine, not to 'make him dance like a monkey'.
27:19 just because you can do live streaming of your drawing process and find it “easy” doesn’t mean everyone can. I personally would hate that as my drawing process is slow and messy. I also don’t draw at a table (I like drawing on my sofa, bed etc wherever I get inspiration) and being restricted to draw under a camera messes my ability to draw because I stress. So I record my painting process from start to finish but never my drawing process. Granted that I am mostly a traditional artist but the point remains: things that are easy for some might not be easy for others and that doesn’t mean they don’t draw things themselves.
same on painting, i just feel like a fucking dumbass recording my sketches getting stuck on an eye for 2hours. dont get me started on hands/expressions.
I feel like this types of videos are becoming so harmful if there's no actual proof... I hate that artists are being forced to record screens and stuff. I work on Linux with Krita and my computer is sooo slow on it's own and very often even just opening two programs at a time is stressing my computer.
☆ i think people forget sometimes people dont try to even out their learning when it comes to art ☆ some people will pour EVERYTHING into learning to render in the way they want n then the anatomy / compositions / background wont match the skill level of the rendering just bc they havent rounded out their skills yet
the audacity to say you confidently think an artist is using AI but also not having any proof in the same post...... I'm glad it worked out for Zuyu, but if I were him I wouldn't let them use my art anymore💀
@@LaNoir. AI already has obvious tells that show it’s AI-melted jewelry, mismatched eyes, unrefined detail, etc. Iced Tea’s “evidence” is not in line with any of those tells. Kat already has numerous videos exposing people who use AI where there was actually had solid evidence.
@LaNoir. How do you prove it is? Streaming it? Showing their hands and face? How much overstepping and boundaries should be crossed for the answers you/they want?What if they want to be anonymous and not have their face plastered online? Also there is video ai, how do you know it's not that? Where's the line? Because at the moment, it seems as though the artist is being harassed.
@@JemaCyan.22222 Idk if you're aware but there are streamers who stream without their faces showing and without talking. But like the other person said before, how are you supposed to detect what's AI in art and what's not?
I’ve been accused of using Ai many times because of how messy my lines are. Someone even tried to find something to accuse my of saying that certain lines don’t make sense. Ai “art” is really damaging and more proof of that keep surfacing whether it’s someone accusing someone of Ai, someone selling ai and claiming it’s theirs or someone getting their art stolen by ai (which also has happened to me). Like seriously, people are saying “ai is a great tool and yada yada” but what is it helping? And it’s very ironic that a brand/company is accusing someone else of ai when many companies nowadays would rather use Ai instead of paying an artist. Edit: This was such a good ending I almost cried 😭🙏 Good for both of them.
27:13 Okay, as someone who hates being accused of something, I'd despise having to 'prove myself' for doing nothing worng , to me, it'd be like a personal attack on what you stand for due to art being a form of expression, and how you express things to be ridiculed to such a level, would be the equivalent of accusing a banker of fraud
Exactly. Recently I made a poster for English class. He said you could draw it or make it digitally. I was the only one who choose to do digital since I have been doing traditional for every project and wanted to try something new. Every class he showed it to had people accusing me of ai. Made me wish I never even tried to make anything at all.
In another comment someone wrote: "Livestream your entire process in real life with overhead view for every piece you make to have irrefutable proof, as simple as that. You’re living in the age of generative AI. Wanna be accused of using AI and have your reputation ruined just like the person in the video? Be my guest." And yeah, I think it's crazy to demand all of that, to prove we draw our own stuff. I know we live in a difficult time with AI, but it seems unfair that real artists have to put in even MORE effort to prove themselves, while AI bros just press buttons, not caring about the art community at all. I think this much proof could be demanded in art competitions where you can win prizes and for higher priced commission work. But every single image I draw for fun? That just seems rude and overkill.
But she did do something wrong, she ghosted the company for almost 2 months when contacted privately. Extremely suspicious behaviour for no reason. She also admitted not doing the backgrounds themselves.
This is an incredibly naive metaphor, according to the fdic insider fraud has accounted for over one-half of all bank fraud and embezzlement cases closed by the FBI during the past several years. If you google “how common is internal bank fraud” it’ll be one of the first things to pop up. In regard to the accused artist, I can understand why you would sympathize with their situation as a person who hates to prove themselves, but it’s important to keep in mind that the artist in question is someone who was doing art professionally. They might not have any obligation to prove that they don’t use ai to their audience but there is a certain level of responsibility in ensuring that your clients don’t feel like your work is fraudulent. I don’t say this to disparage your own sentiments but in the age of AI a client asking the artist they hired to validate the authenticity of their work seems like a reasonable expectation. If anything it’s a much more reasonable business practice than to just blindly accept any work an artist gives you without giving any consideration towards its authenticity in order to avoid hurting anybody’s feelings. With that being said , I don’t think the way Iced Tea Aesthetics handled the situation publicly is exempt from criticism but that’s an entirely different conversation.
I’d be so mad! Defamation is a thing! And especially using a buzzword like “Ai”, I’d definitely go after it. They said it was about something, but I imagine it was probably some burned intern or something. Reputational damage NEVER goes away because the internet never forgets
I really don’t get why people can differentiate between tracing/lazy art and an OBVIOUS art style choice. Those sketchy lines are so clearly on purpose and also adds a lot of soul to the pieces imo.
To be honest, the clothing brand isn't really the one to blame since they did get a lot of people telling them how it was ai. They're not an artist and obviously having more than multiple ppl telling you the art is ai, you would get suspicious of it. Also they owned up to their mistakes of accusing zuyu to use ai and compensating for the damages caused. This is something you don't see too often and it's great to see both the artist and the brand came into good terms. I do this it's sad to see just how much ai is becoming a cause of ruining peoples' rep. Like before it was about how having smooth artstyle is ai and now people with rough artstyle too.
Yeah but why would they be showing all this “evidence” from pieces that aren’t even there’s. They’re just calling all their art ai generated. It’s so unprofessional once it gets to that point.
Tbh i think we have forgotten that hands have been a struggle for real artists for ages lmao. The hand I dont think was a mistake tho tbh, holding a sword through the two fingers like that is like an oldschool anime samurai kinda way of holding the hilt where the hilt is flat against the palm. The cig was meant to be a motion thing- he had it between his lips and was reaching to it to grab it. The "suspender" im almost certain was just a fold in the shirt that just got colored the wrong shade or had a layer issue. Honestly every 'mistake' here is something i have probably done myself as an artist lol.
I think Zuyu just has a very messy artstyle. He seems like a beginner artist to me, since he really does have a LOT of mistakes in his pieces. He can render skin and clothes prettyy good, but besides that, you cn really see how hard it is for him to draw the poses he looks up on pinterest. Props to him, he doesn't trace the poses since many things on them are off, like weird looking hands, ears always messed up and other stuff, but yeh.. As an artist, his artworks look odd to me but it is just his weird artstyle. He will be a good artist in a year or so, until then he really needs to practice drawing more freely^^
this is exactly what i was thinking. i admittedly haven't finished the video but there's things that, looking at the 'evidence' i can see where the messy line art can make it look really weird because it's not defined as much. what looks like a 'second zipper' on the misato piece looks like a belt that's just poorly outlined. on the minami piece i think he was going for his hand pulling away from the cigarette, or moving towards it, rather than it trying to actually grab something that wasn't there. it seems like a case of where they roughly sketch the piece then forget exactly what it was they were trying to go for when they go to render, which is def something i can understand. also seems like they put the cart before the horse learning to render so well but then not learning the basics of anatomy and clothing folds, which then leads to things like this were things look weird a janky but the rest of it looks so good that it must be something else when it's... not. if they put in a ton of work on learning anatomy and how cloth drapes, they would be an absolutley stellar artist.
i was blessed with the ability to draw quite decently from references as a kid, and i kept doing that for like 3 years until i decided i wanted to draw original stuff without references, and i basically had to start from zero, because drawing from reference, and understanding how to draw original concepts from your head are two difference practices. and if they wanted to start now, it would likely be such a drastic change in quality, which wouldn't sit well on social media, so they might feel kinda chained to using references if they want to keep up with quality of what they do. i'd advise them to at least do more independent studies on clothing and smaller details tho, to support the work they do with references
Ive been telling a lot of people that hands are not indicative of AI, ive seen so many artists just not drawing hands correctly, be it lazyness, cuz it wasnt the focus of the work or because they decided they didnt want correct hands but they didnt want to resort to hiding them... suddenly everyon is an art critique, but really they dont know what they are doing, and it is baffling to see a lot of people just sending them to "AI jail" just because they did that artistic decision
Ofc. I give up on those types of clothing brands cuz they either steal every drawing or they all use ai anime girls now. Had to unfollow one who switched to ai trash recently
About Nanami's jacket - many jackets like this have straps on the back that allow u to wear it like backpack or only on one shoulder and not drop the jacket on the ground, Al'haitham wears his the same way And about Misato's jacket, it just has douple lining, many 2000 jackets had those
I think one of my big concerns is the way the other artists commented on Zuyu's work. Now, I agree that there is a typical process of learning anything, because we're human and our methods of learning aren't that varied. But, I think it's a grim day for artists the moment artists start speaking for all other artists. I thought that learning your own way was something that was supposed to be celebrated? Reading between the lines, it sounds like unless you come from a traditional art background, you will inevitably be accused of using AI. And you what? I'd actually say that Zuyu did use AI-generated references, but who cares? It doesn't sound like they generated any themselves -- it's just that if you search for anything now on Google, half the results are AI. That's not a problem they should be tasked to solve, that's on Google.
I think this channel is one of factors that adds in in people's paranoia. Because people don't realise that AI is trained on artists works and it tends to copy mistakes as well. Personally I think I'll stop indulging in this kind of drama even in video form. Seeing others taking someone's work apart and pointing out all they consider is wrong with it leaves a bad taste in my mouth after all.
I feel the same way because as much as I dislike the art community in it's current state, I really think making content over pointless DRAWma is really damn weird. But whatever pays her bills lmao
I honestly don’t understand hate for either side. He seems like a messy artist (nothing wrong with it) and for Tea’s side they have a bunch of other artists saying it’s AI and Tea is not an artist so they are probably leaning towards all these people who are saying stuff..especially since they have a store they want to do everything they can to make sure that it is not AI. Honestly I thought Tea was very respectful when talking with Him. And you can see what could potentially be AI In his art or it could just be errors from really looking into the art.
Sorry but No... NOooooo... Iced Tea Aesthetics should have never ever posted & accused an artist on a public social media site. Wtf is wrong with people? How dare Iced Tea Aesthetics try to force the artist to 'prove' their work is really hand drawn. The artist is young & new & was under no obligation to comment on this accusation. And damn it Iced Tea Aesthetics actually thinks things are cool now like he did the right thing... For the artist... The IPad & the apology is not enough! Not even close! Do not work for people like this, not for 1 million dollars. Do not accept any gifts because it means the deal is done & u accept the terms of the accusation & the accusation outcome. Make a point of sending that IPad back. i would even send back any money mixed in with this art commission & make them pull every piece in question out of production. You do not have to work with people like this. i feel so bad for the artist.
Iced tea was incredibly civilized and nice in this tbh. He tried contacting Zuyu privately to solve the situation multiple times only to get ghosted. What should he have done otherwise? Just accept that he got scammed out of more than a 1000 usd, move on and let a potential fraud continue scamming others?
@@ankilearning Iced Tea Aesthetics should have never under any circumstance posted any type of accusation on a public social media site. If the artist didn't feel like replying in private then Iced Tea Aesthetics had the option to pull any all all art pieces from his brand until further notice. No amount of money is worth it for the artist to work under these conditions. I will not comment further.
@@otkrivlenie Iced Tea Aesthetics had no right to accuse any artist publicly. Period. How could a business owner react??? Well... Iced Tea Aesthetics could have made the choice to pull any and all art made by this artist so no one else could purchase it until things were cleared up. The process of blasting people in public on social media is uncalled for and out of line. An artists reputation is all they have and is worth much more than $1k. I will comment no further.
I have to say, the “mistakes” here do look eerily similar to the ones AI tend to make. The ones that were most concerning to me were Nanami’s shirt, Tifa’s hair, and the skull “teeth” seeming to merge with/appear on a different element of the piece. If you show me these pieces and asked me if they’re AI, I would say “yes” without a doubt. The other scenario is that the artist is just being human and making mistakes. It is possible to overlook inconsistencies and not notice mistakes until the pieces have been shared to the world. As the artist mentioned themselves, they don’t aim for perfection when making these. With that said, based on what I have seen on this video alone, I don’t think I’m crazy for thinking that the artist still hasn’t been completely honest despite everything that happened. If an AI program was not used, then an AI piece has definitely been referenced.
@@SomeSilentSerpentyou can prove you don’t use AI but it doesn’t mean you didn’t before. That’s the point. A good artist can fake proof but it doesn’t mean under pressure to produce, they didn’t resort to AI to make their work much faster. He admitted his process is really slow, which adds more to the idea that he used AI to make things faster. Could he have done it without AI? Of course. Did he? I highly doubt it. Not to mention the fact that he blatantly traced art and posted it, which makes profit, which means you’re making profit off of copied concept and art. So he’s not a stranger to art theft. The evidence speaks for itself. He took a shortcut and got caught. And then got paid for it. He won. Take a mental break, come back in a month, all’s forgotten.
@@K.L.- this reminds me of that one webtoon called quantum entanglement that obviously uses ai but people defend them because 'they can actually draw, theyve done so for years' and 'they posted proof in a livestream'. just because someone can draw doesnt mean they are incapable of using shortcuts. even the top speedrunners use cheats. its the same thing :/
@@WishtelleI agree with this statement 100%. It’s so frustrating seeing these people be this gullible to even go as far as to defend these fools. It’s very blatant that they *used* AI and redrew it- or worse, traced it just for their ego to be filled with praises. What they could've done was actually build up their creativity and grow as an artist
13:56 as someone who has smoked, a little hint: you don't hold the cigarette with your fingers all the time. sometimes you just hold it in your mouth like nanami in this drawing. often to look more “relaxed ” but i still get what you mean, even if it shopuld look "more relaxed" why align the fingers with the jacket.
I'll be so for real as someone who is starting to learn how to do art, this is making me not want to. I think I'll leave that want alone, because I have huge anxiety, i couldn't imagine someone forcing me to prove myself over a live stream taking me out of my comfort zone
hey dont worry about it! you dont have to post your drawings or show them to the internet, you can just share inbetween friends (something that i have been doing with others for a while). just draw what you want for yourself and make it a personal goal :)
Wait, they buy unlicensed fan art of licensed characters to commercially sell those and then complain that the characters were AI made? They shouldn't be commissioning licensed characters to be sold on their business in the first place.
The problem is people who barely know how AI works are claiming random things to be AI I've seen people even claiming old ahh memes to be "AI generated"
The thing that bothers me is why didn’t zuyu provide those evidence earlier when the company requested them privately? I know they provided a final sketch but that wasn’t enough and they requested more proof, and instead of giving them more proof/timelapses/earlier sketches zuyu decided to ghost them FOR A MONTH AND A HALF. Like i don’t blame the company for writing that whole thread because they gave him a chance to prove his innocence privately and instead he decided to ghost so of course they would be suspicious. Also like u said in the video he is really good at drawing hands especially in the yuta one his hands are really detailed and the line art is clean, so why was the maki one weird? Especially since it’s a commission i would think that he would spend a little more time and effort to make sure it looks great. Idk i really hate that artist have to prove that they draw their own stuff and i really feel bad for zuyu but in his case he could have avoided all of that damage if he just provided evidence instead of ghosting for a month and a half.
The hands on the maki piece weren’t that odd. I’m pretty sure it’s just a more stylised way of holding a sword, I reckon the index finger was imagined by zuyu to be resting flat on the hit of the sword. Although, I do agree he probably should’ve taken more care to make it look a tad bit better, it seems that he made mistakes out of inexperience or ignorance, which is very normal
The man is not holding a cigarette, but is going to take it to exhale smoke. The red jacket-she doesn't have a second jacket, but a belt, can't you see?
Sadly, just because someone can draw without AI assistance doesn't mean they always do... Some of Zuyu's works look human made while others look AI-assisted (not fully AI generated), so it's difficult to give a definitive answer. Hopefully Zuyu will publish more speedpaints than one.
@@g0th3artz not fully generated but there are fragments that do seem to be based off ai-generated reference (though some of those spots may be just a result of trying to trace over a really low res reference photo...)
@@g0th3artz those hands are def sus. No artist who knows anatomically correct hands really well (unless all his previous pictures had traced hands) would let those hands pass in a final piece. Not to mention odd details like collars having random extra jagged points. If it was a rough I would understand but this is final work - imagine him putting final line art to highlight those irregularities. It’s bizarre. His render style is so good at highlighting what looks like crisp perfection yet he makes these weird inconsistencies and goes over them with line art without questioning it? I can only speculate that he rushed to get pieces out because he is not as experienced at composition and line art as he is in rendering. His process consists of (which he mentioned) a ton of reference building and that is a slow process. I have a similar process so that part I can relate to, especially when he continued to bring up the part about him still learning (which is completely okay). But if you know you’re slow, maybe don’t accept so much work, forcing you to resort to using something that messes with your integrity as an artist. Anyway, Zuyu is the only one who knows what he did. At his level, he can provide proof of course, that he makes his own art. I have no doubt he does. But can he prove why those specific pieces had AI elements? He hasn’t. So we will never truly know. All I know is as an artist myself, it doesn’t make sense, so I go with my gut on this one. And I think he got away with it.
@@K.L.- except he doesn't know hands well. There is not a single piece where the hands don't have errors in them. Rendering and anatomy are different skills. His hands are constantly bad. That's that.
Looks like they use AI as a base for their art and in the end it's just another generic Instagram anime style honestly... Honestly not even worth the hullabaloo. Iced Tea Aesthetics should NOT have called out the artist publicly like that. And I would not recommend supporting them.
The company asked look for ai to the other artists, so they looked for ai. Saying sketchy/ scratchy lines is ai and tracing, I ffucking do that I draw in scratches am I tracing?
I don't think it's necessarily ai, but didn't someone in the og Twitter post show proof that Zuyu has traced their art from other artists? This would also explain their messy lineart and nonsensical design elements (things melting into eachother etc).
Its sad zuyu was put through this situation over some non-artist having no clue what there talking about. Its absolutely ridiculous someomes life was basically ruin over someone that had no clue what they were talking about. I hope zuyu is doing okay after everything they've been put through Im also surprised how nice zuyu was towards ice tea... I wouldn't have wrote such a nice comment, I'd definitely be suing and telling ice tea to fk off. I do hope ice tea does reivce some sort of karma. Its ridiculous ice tea made this public to begin with
It’s tricky. I think the default accusation is that an artwork is entirely AI generated, when it’s entirely possible that even if a piece is handmade, AI was either used as reference or traced. You should always use reference when you don’t understand something, but it is unfortunately becoming common to reference AI art as a means to cut corners. And from the wording of the artist’s apology, it sounds like that’s what they were doing. Hopefully it’s an important teaching moment for them.
imo sometimes AI references may be out of the artist's control since that depends on the place they're looking their references for. On Pinterest there's loads of AI-generated stuff that are starting to look like real human art, and the artist may have used them unintentionally. That being said, it's really hard to analyze whether art today is made by AI or not. I think the best references for artists right now are REAL pictures rather than art for now, since those are photographed and are easier to analyze whether it's AI generated or not (usually AI "photographs" are very very smooth with less noise)
I’m a beginner artist and idk… I’m bad at hands too, but never in a way where whole fingers are missing or just bizarre nonsense poses like in his accused pictures. Also he’s done hands fine before… so why are they so messed up suddenly. And all the little weird details on the collared shirt that don’t make sense are super sus. I don’t doubt he has skills but I think he did use AI sometimes to expedite the process, especially as someone who has traced work. As a slow artist myself, I can see the temptation and why some would use AI under pressure to produce results, especially if you’re being paid and have deadlines. Live-streaming evidence is not hard if you can do it but resorted to AI previously to speed up the process. It’s all very sus to me. And honestly, I feel like he got away with it.
for the nanami piece, a lot of people draw his suspenders go around the shoulder and under the armpit creating a kind of bondage look. i've seen a lot of artists sexify his suspenders because it crosses in the back or something. just something to note
yes, also the fingers look terrible...too big skill differences..if you can render so good and be that bad then with fingers...also the extra bumbs on the buisiness shirt buttonhole included....thats a very typical ai flaw.. He uses a.i maybe 50% as help reference and traces the rest. A.i will destroy art...the only good thong is, lazy ppl with fantastic idea will show up, but in general it will dumb down creativity enormously
That's the thing that bothers me, having that much of a detailed art style while having inconsistencies like button-up having like two flaps and the three fingers. Idc if it's a stylistic choice, having art rendered like that while having the same mistakes that people catch when ai is used is just really suspicious
@@cranburrey not to mention his deleted pieces having a lot of inconsistencies?.. a lot of artists delete artwork theyre embarrassed of but that was really suspicious with the timing :/
Look up "Vintage jackets with double zippers." From what I remember, that anime is old. They possibly looked up 90s jackets and fashion. Also that's Nanami's harness.
Yeahhh, I mean... It's cool that they made an art piece all on their own and recorded it, but... It doesn't share any of the issues that people were pointing at in the first place? Not sure why everyone is immediately dismissing all accusations based on this - they still might have used AI for the other artworks (and to me, it still looks like they did, because the new art does not look like AI at all). Unfortunately we'll never know for sure.
I think the problem is that he uses too much contrast, too much highlights and too much occlusion shadows. If he didn’t paint like that, no one would suspect him
So many uncanny valley bloopers that no artist probalby wouldn't do. Artist probablly added Nanami a under arm holster, though I still would have questions like it would probably have more straps than that.
i take such issue with these artists dog piling on zuyu. its people like these who are going to drive beginner / inexperienced / anxious artists off the internet as a whole. being critical and looking out for ai is important in this space but the ai witch hunts causing innocent artists to lose their platforms are getting out of hand.
Not knowing how to draw hands being an art crime is pretty insane. AI in my mind, feels like the smoothening and common sense that makes a case. I didn't even know the character, I thought they would've had 3 fingers and a thumb hiding behind the hilt in the first picture.
As an artist who is highly skilled in damn near realistic rendering style , my lines art sketchy Rendering has always been something im the most skilled in, not line work So to see someone getting accused of ai because of their sketchy lines is just heartbreaking Sad to see tbh
But what about 3 fingered hands? Clothing with nonsensical details? The sketch lines being brought up first, I also thought was nothing, style preference. But the hands? No way, a good artist who can draw anatomically correct hands consistently would never look at those and let it pass through as paid commission pieces, unless they were in a huge rush to begin with. Which I suspect is why they resorted to AI. Speeds up the process extremely.
not to be rude, but if that's your art in your profile, then you are far away from "realistic rendering style" no shame in being a beginner or intermediate artist, but I don't see the indicated expertise for your claim
i saw this on twitter shit was sad wanted to say: i hate that just having messy lineart makes people accuse others of ai. i LOVE that look for art it's insane that no one can just make art and be happy
It's ridiculous, I sometimes do really scratchy line art when using a subject or reference just so I can get a real quick basic shape to build from. It's a habit I have from back when I started with traditional paper.
YES omg I immediately got offended that people said that and I don't even draw like that lmao. I have ridiculously clean lineart cause I'm way too perfectionistic, but I absolutely adore messier lineart. That lineart style in those images looked like a choice, it fit the pieces so well. Whether or not it's traced or ai doesn't take away from the fact that the lineart being messy isn't the indicator of that being the case. Plenty of AI has pretty clean looking lines, and I'm sure plenty of tracers are capable of cleaning things up on their own. Messier lines look gorgeous and gives certain styles so much life and energy imo.
@@mikuumelodyIdk if that's your art in your pfp, but it doesn't look like the type that people would use to train ai to generate art so you don't need to worry
I love how we went from every artist complaining about how hard hands are to draw (specifically), to “oh you struggle with hands? I guess your AI.” Like also wish we wouldn’t call someone’s technique rare when it’s just not what we use, many self taught artist draw through shading and coloring. Line work is a specific skill, and if you’re not good at it, you typically make up for it with rending, shading, coloring. Calling this known method rare just opens up people whose strength isn’t in line work up for a witch trail. Because notice how there was no doubts the artist was shading it themselves, and the way its shaded schemes “THIS IS MY STRENGTH.” People know some art doesn’t contain lines at all right?
i agree. i still think they shouldn't have done a public call out like this without reaching out first, but it's become a thing for some artists to trace and colorpick ai. and then provide a speedpaint that "proves" that there was no ai involved when there absolutely was. selenada art always comes to mind out bigger creators, she did a bunch of pieces that heavily relied on ai last summer, deleted all the comments pointing it out and fooled the rest with a poorly executed speedpaint. so disappointing
I still think they used AI. It was very clever to send video rather than doing live stream. It's very easy to fake such video. Also just because someone can draw, doesn't mean they not using AI to draw for them, so they can spend 10min rather than 10h. You can even train AI on your own art works to mimic specifically your style.
this ending feels a bit weird to me still tho.. in the first 2 threads iced provided so much evidence pointing out the suspicious parts of zuyu's art (which was very convincing for the most part in my opinion), but then in the final thread iced provides 0 evidence to disprove all the accusations? It feels very weird to me. You could say that the timelapse is evidence enough, but I thought the timelapse was very suspicious too. The part that iced and those other artists was suspecting zuyu the most of was traced lineart. And the way zuyu started that piece was very unnatural to me. He just got right into it as if he's tracing. No propotions to start it off, no sketching, he just gets right into it starting from the ear. Some artists can work like this sure, but Zuyu just gets right into it and makes pretty much 0 adjustments. This is absolutely not a normal way of working ESPECIALLY when you didn't put proportions into place first. I think this might also explain why the timelapse video starts from an angle away from the screen. There could be a low opacity line under it (that he can trace over) that we can't see because of the camera angle. He also doesn't share the layers. I don't know, this whole situation just feels super odd to me. Iced had the whole list of things zuyu had to do to prove himself with a livestream (offering 1500 usd for it). Zuyu didn't do this and just made his own timelapse, but it still got accepted as proper evidence? I'm so confused.
Yeah there’s definitely still some things that bugs me, like the double jacket zipper, the hair thing etc that literally have no logic. I also find the Timelapse quite strange like you said. Not sure what to think about all that …
Im pretty sure they do use AI, she didnt show the rest of their art, but all of it looks hella sus, and as someone that follows a lot of artists, he has also a lot of inspired or referenced art from others, like, usual viral art on twitter gets redrawed by him. He has the skills for sure, I think its just a thing of lazy creativity, looks for the pose and copy it
@@cranburrey Because they are fanboys with not own criteria, so if the famous youtuber says so, it must be true and they should defend it, no matter if the youtuber is also wrong
Im with you, the evidence shown before is basically 99%, and the "sketch" in that timelapse dont make sense too. As for the hands, yes its hard to draw and human make mistakes, but a human will never merge it with part of a clothing.
I honestly think the person uses ai as reference, just bc they were able to draw before using it they can just reverse engineer or have the ai reference aside when doing a timelapse. The way they render looks how ai generates rendering.
Really? I feel like most AI art looks better than most human art nowadays, I realized that when I was looking for references for a character and legit the only useful references that could accurately capture the character from different angles consistently were official art or AI generated art, and like a handful of unofficial human artists, soon AI will generate better hands and anatomy than the average artist still trying to get over those hurdles, at the very least AI art is better than performative art where rich people throw paint at each other to launder millions of dollars
the reason the images from AI look so similiar isn't simply because the model could potentially mimic something in it's data and MORE LIKELY that they just img2img variant an existing image and didn't even txt2img. People need to realize that anytime something like that text mimicry happens or something that is THAT CLOSE to an original is it's because they fed an image directly into the model so basically it's even MORE plagiarizing because they couldn't even use a random seed and just fed an image thru the workflow to get a variation The fact that that gets left out is wild to me lol
I get how the hand would look awkward, but the index finger and thumb could be the ones supporting the handle of the sword. Like the index finger is extended to support the handle, same as the thumb. Also a lot of artist use their first initial sketch, then build on it and then clean up their lines - it's a art style a lot of my faves use.
13:47 as a person with parents that smoke, you do hold the cig in your mouth (unless you need too do something that takes both hands) but thats just my parents
15:08, Nanami doesn’t wear suspenders, it’s a holster for his weapon, which is why you don’t see it attaching to his pants. The fingers separate from the cigarette make sense because he isn’t holding it, it’s an image of him either having released the cigarette or poised to retrieve it. While some pictures look janky it feels weird to knit pick these without really thinking about them, while talking from a place of authority. I enjoy your videos, but that was way off.
It's so wild to confidently blackmail someone to either demand they go on livestream or you'll ruin their career. Now, we are saying if something is too messy, it's AI, or it's too perfect, it has to be made with AI. I absolutely hate the use of AI to replace artistic expression and work, but I'm hating what it's doing to us more. There can be no more personal style or mistakes without accusation. An artist must be prepared to be guilty and prove their ability up to someone else's standard at every post. It's wild.
i'm still skeptical tbh, as an artist, i can tell the drawing they provided as proof is suspicious asf, the face and left part of the body have a wrong percpective. It's also very weird to record a process the way they did, and it proved nothing too. Also as a profetional artist, the amount of mistakes there is unacceptable imo, i've done comission before and i would NEVER dare to not check if the drawing is good enough before sending it, espacially if people are paying over 100$. I understand making mistakes as one draw, but at some point this is your job?? People are paying huge amount of money, you can't just like " i want to be done with it, so i'm gonna do a "cheap trick"". I don't think they are using 100% ai but it's definitly part of their process as well as tracing is. sorry for any mistakes, english is not my first language
This is what happens when artist hyper-focus on the wrong things with their channels. And don't get me wrong, I like this channel but... its tiresome to see this sort of content. Educate me on what I should be looking in art. I like to believe I have a good grasp on how to identify these things having worked with several artists but not everyone has. The best artists can do is educate. Now, as an author who goes through the trouble of creating my craft I know there's plenty of people who use AI to generate novels. I work hard in refining my stories and grow as an author. AI generate novels shows 100%. Do I want to waste my time witch hunting them? No! Why?! Because I don't want to waste my time with that. I rather create and educate.
“Lineart doesn’t match rendering level” is actually such a horrible argument, sketchy lineart is usually a stylistic choice…
also some artists are better at rendering than linework/anatomy/proportions. I've seen a lot of real artists with perfectly polished works but loose proportipns. heck, I'm one of those artists 💀
Not only horrible arguments. But that is very facts about artists. Lineart never matches the rendering level. Who thinks both are matching is never an artist. Even good artists fall short in this matter.
Depends, when people are so good at rendering there is an expectancy of level on line art.
@@KanikVT i think they're two different skill sets. it's common for artists to do great lineart and great rendering, yes, but some people tend to put down lines differently. that doesn't affect the rendering processas much, but it does affect lineart because you need to put down clean lines in order for the lineart to look good. that's where you get people cleaning up sketches in order to get to rendering faster
@@chocofurina for everyone different ofc, but it does look suspicious when rendering looks amazing and the line art looks like a 10yo made it
The accusation tweet had 70k+ views, the apollogy had 10k. That's all i wanted to say.
As always.
As usual, people just want the drama. Hope it didn't do lasting damage to that artist's reputation
I miss the days when artists didn’t have to worry about AI accusations 😢
Real, I miss the days where artists would be accused of printing instead
It's one reason I went back to traditional art...
dw, we'll reach those days again soon enough 😢
Even if A.I didn't exist. You still will get F wankers doing this to artists anyway. People who got beef about someone's work should do it privately. Those who don't are attention seekers doing their virtual signalling. They ruined someone reputation and career and no money and some damn IPAD going to fix it.
@@currie1100 one day ai will work on paper
People have messy art styles. Why are trying to force people into a clean line art style? I’m tired of people hating on messy line Art
yeah its insane, a few years ago i wouldnt care if my hair strands were not consistent and my jacket has one extra flap bc it looks cool, nowadays you kinda have to fight for your life because unstable schizo twitter users want to witch hunt for entertainment
Agreed! Honestly, I really like messy line art
I think it adds to the drawings and makes it look more like a traditional style if you're doing it on the computer/ Tablet/ phone. It's honestly sad that it gets so much backlash
You did not watch the full video LOL the issue is not his linework. Look at the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated.
I do manga, and messy lineart is the best!
@@lmSheep I did watch the whole video, and there are tons of people hating on messy line art. It was also brought up as a point to use against them multiple times. I just wish people would stop using this as an excuse to blame people for doing so art or it “looking bad” or “unprofessional”
as an artist I don't think his art looks like AI, I think he simply has an artstyle that AI likes to reference often. and, to be completely honest, knowing that AI generated art is only going to continue to improve and eventually become indistinguishable, it feels wrong to accuse artists of using it for such minor details.
Yeah like there was no slop in the drawing or anything like that.
Tips to spot AI pictures , 100% garanty
If you use the color specter in photoshop or any editing software , you will see that the noise patern dont change between the differents colors RGB
you can also look for JPEG artifacts
Those tips dont work if the person trace and paint over AI.
@@KamiLeVrai i just don't think there's much point in trying to hyperanalyze an artists work for AI because eventually it will become an outdated method. AI is improving rapidly regardless. What we should be pushing for is for transparency from artists, and if not from the artists themselves then for social media and the apps in question.
@@KamiLeVrai Yeah that does not work anymore.
@@michaeldata5741Nah i test it yesterday on recently posted AI stuff, its still working
Tested it on images generated on MidJourney , on SD 1.5 Model , on PonyDiffusion Model , on FLUX model
Imagine basically ending someone’s career and hitting them with an “oopsie here’s an iPad.
Yeah, ZuYu should sue for defamation instead, he might make more than $1500 and Ipad. Better yet take the money then sue. (I'm jk btw).
i think they have done more than enough to make up for the lapse in judgment. sure it shouldn't have been public, but them admitting they were wrong & paying him out from all those different sources is probably the best way to handle it
@@ash.networksthey said thier accusations were wrong but I didn't see them saying the were wrong to accuse in public to begin with. In fact the artist had to repeatedly appease accusers with " l can see why you think it might be ai" for common art struggles since long before ai art was a thing.
@@BarefootCM I don't think it's wrong to publicize it. The public deserved to know what's going on since some of them bought the pieces. Iced Tea Aesthetics had to juggle between Zuyu not responding and the public's opinions (including actual artists). I can see they did their best to be fair.
@@aishahshamsul8642 Knowing that adding a comment here may come across as unprofessional, I felt compelled to share my thoughts.
I want to mention a key point to give a better picture of the issue.
We were convinced by multiple well-known professional artists that AI played a significant (if not total) role in Zuyu's work. Some of these artists collaborate with us regularly, and others were part of their larger network. I want to emphasize that these are established professionals with substantial followings. As someone who isn’t an artist, I found their confidence and evidence persuasive (in hindsight it does feel stupid and incomplete). The evidence posted in the threads were created by the artists in question.
The choice seemed to boil down to either "supporting AI in art" from the perspective of this large network of artists or starting a thread to criticize someone for what I increasingly believed was a justified reason.
I am not saying this to excuse the mess that we created. I genuinely feel terrible for what I did to Zuyu. However, I believe this context is important to mention.
I removed the threads after Zuyu provided me with ample evidence making it seem very unlikely that AI was used.
Also god forbid artists struggle with drawing hands or making any choises that aren't your perfect lineart anime bs
its the fact that its a constant mistake- people often spend a lot of time on the hands since they are hard to draw so not catching additional or missing fingers that many times is crazy
I once made the hand completely reversed before noticing it halfway to coloring the whole thing
@@xBugx666xit's not that crazy at all. It shows that he's consistent I'm his anatomy errors.. which is.. natural for artists!
@@xBugx666xits lowkey not i tend to avoid hands but something i really focus on in my art is hair and i can sometimes not notice a mistake until im done but i still leave it id suppose theyd do the same
@@xBugx666xhim consistently having this issue shows it's an issue he as an artist struggles with, which is common lol. I have personally done almost every single one of these as an artist. I have been through periods of time where I was unhappy with the results of every hand I drew.
I think my issue here is....IcedTea should have asked for proof PRIVATELY. It's totally fine to want to vet the person you're working with. But this proof could have been asked for on Discord. This livestream could have been asked for behind the scenes. If Zuyu failed to provide, then make your threads. I hate AI art, but this is slowly becoming a Witch hunt on Twitter and real artists are getting caught in the cross fire.
Also this whole "Artist dont make mistakes that often!" Is such bullshit and its harmful. im still learning and I make mistakes ALL the times. My artist friends who are at a much higher skill level also make mistakes like this at a semi constant rate. Are they always noticeable? No. But human error is gonna happen when HUMANS draw. They may catch it before they post. They may not.
???? did you even watch the video? The comapny literally asked for proof in private dms. maybe watch the video properly before making assumptions.
They did ask privately and didn’t get anything for a month and a half.
That’s what happened though. Zuyu failed to provide information and then they made the thread. And yeah, AI art is damaging I agree, which is why the brand was so cautious and made that thread because if Zuyu was using ai, that could be harmful to ice tea whatever. As much as I feel bad for Zuyu, I can understand where the brand was coming from.
@@pancaqq4578 Was he active during that month and half though? Like actively posting on X and stuff. As i know if you live in China which i believe he does as he is Chinese. You need to use VPNs to connect to anything else and the Chinese government is always blocking that . which can take some time to get VPN back up.
Zuyu should sue for defamation
Im so angry for zuyu. I would sue them for a lot mare than just 1,500 dollars. I cant belive they would ruin someones whole reputation with no proof.
You sound so fake, it's like sarcasm
And oops, I thought it was At, not for
Yeah if this artist plans on doing it full time this will surely cost more than 1500$ in missed jobs
Do you not see the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated. Even the video creator herself said this one has her sus.
@@lmSheepbruh i have made dumb mistakes like the shirt too and i just leave it because its lowkey just dumb and too much work to remove the littlest mistake especially when i draw clothes not to mention those types my drawing of those types of clothes always look messed up and literally what missing finger 💀
It's not suspenders, it's his gun holsters...
yea for his cursed weapon smh...
@@Moogchungus I don't even watch the series, I just watch a lot of old detective movies lol
@GlitchMothLu yeah, I feel like not knowing anything abt him you would still be able to tell its holsters lolol
Yes!!!
@@Moogchungus I literally watched the show and completely forgot he had those lol. Not saying that justifies what happened to Zuyu, just saying people's brains aren't the best sometimes. I am glad I was informed of what they were tho, I was pretty clueless earlier lol
As a smoker, that pose actually didn’t look weird to me. As soon as you brought it up, I thought of several situations of why that pose makes sense, especially if pieces can be looked at as snapshot moments. If Nanami was going to be holding the cigarette, the more standard cigarette hold (fingers facing you, with index above and middle finger below, thumb stabilizing behind) is probably what he would’ve drawn, not that
Also, I actually prefer the “chicken scratch” sketching style, that’s how I draw also however, I’m a paper/pencil girly. It seemed like a stylistic choice to me
yeah i considered the character was just in the process of reaching for cig
@@cranburrey But that wasn't the criticism...
Same. As a smoker, my hand often hovers near my cigarette while I am still sucking from it. Besides, he looked lost in thought and this very much fits the pose too. Smoking, thinking, just about to grab the cigarette thingy. And to be fair most of these 'mistakes' were really arguable. Be it the color palette, the hands, or even the mismatched clothing on both sides. Not unseen errors at all. And anyway, the mistakes AI makes are mistakes it 'learned' by ingesting human artworks. I always find it strange when certain things are used to say it's certain evidence of AI usage.
he also doesn’t wear suspenders, i.e., they’re not holding up his pants. it’s a holster for his knife, so it makes sense you wouldn’t see the other strap- it’s not extending down to his pants, it’s going between his torso and arm and wrapping around the back, so it would be covered by the jacket. the thing she points to on the left below his armpit isn’t a vest or part of that holster, it’s the jacket behind him, hanging down and laying atop whatever surface he’s up against. sorry, not even what you were pointing out, i just had to gripe about that lol. the missing third knuckle would’ve for sure had me thinking twice, though
They do realise AI copies real artists right? Right..?
I don’t think they do love..😞
@@Zorosgfthey do. that's how ai generates stuff by using things that already exist
@@creepingace "they do realise...right?" "I dont think they do" Context cues, read before you reply. You were both agreeing with eachother
@@Andywhitaker8 i was replying to the other comment idiot 💀 maybe you need to read LMFAO
@@Andywhitaker8 dawg i was replying to the other comment. learn how to read.
"AI's mess up hands!"
Ah, yes, hands, which are famously easy to draw for real artists.
Right?!?! Like literally the bane of all my drawings lol hands and feet🥲
@@KittyKartel I feel like every artist has either accidentally added or omitted a digit somewhere on a hand or foot. I've accidentally drawn hands with only four fingers but the other hand has five multiple times (usually because I thought one of the fingers wouldn't be visible)
@@floofzykitty5072I once drew a hand (and surprisingly well, tbh) and I realised it had 7 fingers 😭😭😭
@@floofzykitty5072 I myself have drawn a hand with 4 fingers before (including the thumb) and it wasn't until the end of the art work when I finally zoomed out that I realized it.
Some artists have a habit of being zoomed in on spaces and forget to step back and focus on the entire piece as a whole. It's not all that uncommon
As an artist with messy line corners & tendency to turn sketches into lineart and call it a day - I want to both laugh and cry at situations like this.
Apart from the artstyle being something personal and individualistic to different artists, formed by their own learning pathways, there's a one funny thing: In some cases, sloppiness is a direct result of modern expectations and demands from artists.
"More and faster" is the key to success in many areas, especially in the media space. If you don't print fanart and commissions like a madman, everybody loses interest pretty fast. It's TikTok age, after all.
Re-learning & just learning to draw like a machine comes by the cost of quality; sometimes people resort to tracing and other cheating tactics, just to save time. Not defending this crap, but can sympathize. And bless those who just built different and can be both high quality and fast :'з
So if you treat art like chips - don't look for cut diamonds on the bottom of the pack.
Also, the heckin social pressure these AI witch hunts are putting on artists. "Prove to us, show us everything, follow these instructions from us right on livestream'' - thank god for deleted twitter and being underground furry artist, honestly. Some people find it relatively easy and just ''why not?'', but if I was in Zuyu's place - would cry and die right here and there.
this! it's honestly super demotivating
"the level of rendering doesn't match the level of lineart" what if I'm just lazy and if I prefer to paint..
Id add an FU to that last post for the icedtea prick
You did not watch the full video LOL the issue is not his linework. Look at the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated.
@@lmSheep the title itself say falsely accused of using AI art. So the artist didn't used AI.
@@lmSheep I've seen you reply this exact thing on a different comment here. Either you're spamming or you REALLY hate this guy.
As an artist who often makes mistakes like this and relies heavily on references and cleaning up messy sketches...sometimes that shit just happens. You don't remember why you drew a certain line somewhere, but you render it and clean it up because you have to work faster, post things faster, just *get it done* and you save it and don't notice you painted something that doesn't make sense. And it's embarrassing. But now it is also, apparently to some of you on the internet, cause to ruin a person's reputation.
1500$ for ruined reputation is insulting...The whole streamed test thing sounded demeaning. :/
15:00 gun holster, not suspenders. That’s why it doesn’t reach the bottom
he doesn't use a gun. he has suspenders that attach to both sides of his pants at the hips and wrap around his back in the shape of an X. on the back, it holds his cleaver
i was thinking it could be suspenders and yuzu just forgot to draw the other side. cant tell you how many times i have accidentally done that with my own art lmao
@@ladyryuki308 ahh I see, that’s what others were saying. I assume he (artist) thought they were gun holsters, the way the brown piece was drawn it’s in the shape of a holster
@@ladyryuki308which equally explains how the artist drew the suspenders since the pose hides his hips where they connect on both sides
He uses a cursed tool or weapon thing, but yes it’s a holster for that and NOT suspenders. That part of the video was killing me.
It’s always non artists.
Some of them uses Ai Detectors.
@@XartiXVthose are trash and they ruined the end of my university years. It’s not art but writing ai detector, I was the leader of group of 7 people doing a research and writing everything each one of us was responsible for a section and after we finish I organize everything and correct grammar mistakes since I was the best with writing. Then at the end when we finished we submitted it to the professor she ran it through an Ai text detector to check if we used something to generate text for us (despite us taking a full year to actually write and test everything) and guess what happened ? The teacher told me that it was 90% ai generated 🤡 I send it her multiple proofs of use writing everything and despite that she told me to rewrite some sentences which took us an extra 10 days to finish and we had finals exams during that time as well it made me absolutely hate the entire last year of uni when I was supposed to enjoy it
i feel like ice tea or whatever their name was went about it better than some people accusing
@@Starb0y_ImaiThey did because at least they gave Zuyu some compensation
When people say Generative art isn't harmful to artists... Then you hear more and more stories like this. Shit, people even falsely accuse the real deal in comments.
Livestream your entire process in real life with overhead view for every piece you make to have irrefutable proof, as simple as that. 🧏🏾♀️
@@mysteriousastrolabe shouldnt have to do that.
@@moirasandwich785 You’re living in the age of generative AI. Wanna be accused of using AI and have your reputation ruined just like the person in the video? Be my guest. 🧏🏾♀️
Problem are "Artist" that accusse without a real proof and the envy as a motivation. "look this supicious art that is better than me... is AI". In the end Money is the real motivation... How many times the accusser is just the competence of the artist accused ? Before launching a "thread" they must stop and think... "This really worth it?"
Ironic it won't be generative AI that destroy artist ,but ultimately other artist attacking each other and own personal ego . AI just become a new weapon for other artist to attack other artist for there own personal tiktok beefs .
artists.. lets start charging additional fees for livestreaming commissions 😂
We totally should though 😅
I already charge people to read their messages if I have to jump on livestream and prove I’m not using A.I that’s $2,200. I had people wanting me to show my face on stream that’s extra $1,000
@@Sketchnificenthow much for feet?
@@Sketchnificentsorry forget i said anything
idk something about the brand asking for zuyu to livestream with all those demands plus offering 500 just irritates me...
"Here's 500 now dance for us" it's gross and entitled and dehumanizing. "You should be grateful I'm throwing money at you"
Imagine telling any other type of professional that.
@carziecat fr, it's really hard to not get that vibe
The brand did not force him to do that, it was an offer before they initiate cancellation. They contacted him and did not get a response, that's why it got dragged into the open. They were okay when receiving the commissions since they aren't an artist but got complains about the art being AI by *customers* so they had to do something about it to not get a bad reputation. They simply asked for a proof that the work is genuine, not to 'make him dance like a monkey'.
27:19 just because you can do live streaming of your drawing process and find it “easy” doesn’t mean everyone can. I personally would hate that as my drawing process is slow and messy. I also don’t draw at a table (I like drawing on my sofa, bed etc wherever I get inspiration) and being restricted to draw under a camera messes my ability to draw because I stress. So I record my painting process from start to finish but never my drawing process. Granted that I am mostly a traditional artist but the point remains: things that are easy for some might not be easy for others and that doesn’t mean they don’t draw things themselves.
same on painting, i just feel like a fucking dumbass recording my sketches getting stuck on an eye for 2hours. dont get me started on hands/expressions.
I feel like this types of videos are becoming so harmful if there's no actual proof... I hate that artists are being forced to record screens and stuff. I work on Linux with Krita and my computer is sooo slow on it's own and very often even just opening two programs at a time is stressing my computer.
☆ i think people forget sometimes people dont try to even out their learning when it comes to art
☆ some people will pour EVERYTHING into learning to render in the way they want n then the anatomy / compositions / background wont match the skill level of the rendering just bc they havent rounded out their skills yet
Definitely. Even if just focusing on anatomy, I'll remember some muscle parts and not others when drawing xD
ALSO just the irony of a brand selling merch with copyrighted characters whining about potential AI
Haha I thought the same thing, as if the IP itself isn't copyrighted.
Literally. That company is so insanely disgusting imo. You don't steal people's IP.
the audacity to say you confidently think an artist is using AI but also not having any proof in the same post......
I'm glad it worked out for Zuyu, but if I were him I wouldn't let them use my art anymore💀
How would you proof an artist uses ai, genuinely interested.
@@LaNoir. AI already has obvious tells that show it’s AI-melted jewelry, mismatched eyes, unrefined detail, etc. Iced Tea’s “evidence” is not in line with any of those tells. Kat already has numerous videos exposing people who use AI where there was actually had solid evidence.
@LaNoir. How do you prove it is? Streaming it? Showing their hands and face? How much overstepping and boundaries should be crossed for the answers you/they want?What if they want to be anonymous and not have their face plastered online? Also there is video ai, how do you know it's not that? Where's the line? Because at the moment, it seems as though the artist is being harassed.
@@JemaCyan.22222 Idk if you're aware but there are streamers who stream without their faces showing and without talking. But like the other person said before, how are you supposed to detect what's AI in art and what's not?
@@cranburrey Okay.
Say if I accused you of being a bot. How are you going to prove you're not.
I’ve been accused of using Ai many times because of how messy my lines are. Someone even tried to find something to accuse my of saying that certain lines don’t make sense. Ai “art” is really damaging and more proof of that keep surfacing whether it’s someone accusing someone of Ai, someone selling ai and claiming it’s theirs or someone getting their art stolen by ai (which also has happened to me). Like seriously, people are saying “ai is a great tool and yada yada” but what is it helping? And it’s very ironic that a brand/company is accusing someone else of ai when many companies nowadays would rather use Ai instead of paying an artist.
Edit: This was such a good ending I almost cried 😭🙏 Good for both of them.
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Okay, as someone who hates being accused of something, I'd despise having to 'prove myself' for doing nothing worng , to me, it'd be like a personal attack on what you stand for due to art being a form of expression, and how you express things to be ridiculed to such a level, would be the equivalent of accusing a banker of fraud
Exactly. Recently I made a poster for English class. He said you could draw it or make it digitally. I was the only one who choose to do digital since I have been doing traditional for every project and wanted to try something new. Every class he showed it to had people accusing me of ai. Made me wish I never even tried to make anything at all.
In another comment someone wrote:
"Livestream your entire process in real life with overhead view for every piece you make to have irrefutable proof, as simple as that. You’re living in the age of generative AI. Wanna be accused of using AI and have your reputation ruined just like the person in the video? Be my guest."
And yeah, I think it's crazy to demand all of that, to prove we draw our own stuff. I know we live in a difficult time with AI, but it seems unfair that real artists have to put in even MORE effort to prove themselves, while AI bros just press buttons, not caring about the art community at all.
I think this much proof could be demanded in art competitions where you can win prizes and for higher priced commission work. But every single image I draw for fun? That just seems rude and overkill.
But she did do something wrong, she ghosted the company for almost 2 months when contacted privately. Extremely suspicious behaviour for no reason. She also admitted not doing the backgrounds themselves.
This is an incredibly naive metaphor, according to the fdic insider fraud has accounted for over one-half of all bank fraud and embezzlement cases closed by the FBI during the past several years. If you google “how common is internal bank fraud” it’ll be one of the first things to pop up. In regard to the accused artist, I can understand why you would sympathize with their situation as a person who hates to prove themselves, but it’s important to keep in mind that the artist in question is someone who was doing art professionally. They might not have any obligation to prove that they don’t use ai to their audience but there is a certain level of responsibility in ensuring that your clients don’t feel like your work is fraudulent. I don’t say this to disparage your own sentiments but in the age of AI a client asking the artist they hired to validate the authenticity of their work seems like a reasonable expectation. If anything it’s a much more reasonable business practice than to just blindly accept any work an artist gives you without giving any consideration towards its authenticity in order to avoid hurting anybody’s feelings. With that being said , I don’t think the way Iced Tea Aesthetics handled the situation publicly is exempt from criticism but that’s an entirely different conversation.
@@sirkanaId ghost them for a year if they do that to me.
I’d be so mad! Defamation is a thing! And especially using a buzzword like “Ai”, I’d definitely go after it. They said it was about something, but I imagine it was probably some burned intern or something. Reputational damage NEVER goes away because the internet never forgets
I really don’t get why people can differentiate between tracing/lazy art and an OBVIOUS art style choice. Those sketchy lines are so clearly on purpose and also adds a lot of soul to the pieces imo.
I just think these are minor mistakes. It shouldnt be called ai unless you have 100 percent proof it is-
To be honest, the clothing brand isn't really the one to blame since they did get a lot of people telling them how it was ai. They're not an artist and obviously having more than multiple ppl telling you the art is ai, you would get suspicious of it. Also they owned up to their mistakes of accusing zuyu to use ai and compensating for the damages caused. This is something you don't see too often and it's great to see both the artist and the brand came into good terms.
I do this it's sad to see just how much ai is becoming a cause of ruining peoples' rep. Like before it was about how having smooth artstyle is ai and now people with rough artstyle too.
not AI.
just stupid keyboard warrior.
i bet they deleted their tweet and pretending to be dumb
Yeah but why would they be showing all this “evidence” from pieces that aren’t even there’s. They’re just calling all their art ai generated. It’s so unprofessional once it gets to that point.
Ignoring everything, it's kinda weird the brand wanted a "sexy" art piece of a 16 yr old, Maki.
And what's weird is that the artist drew it
@@cranburreygotta make a bag.
@@cranburreyNot really people always do things for money not suprising
Tbh i think we have forgotten that hands have been a struggle for real artists for ages lmao. The hand I dont think was a mistake tho tbh, holding a sword through the two fingers like that is like an oldschool anime samurai kinda way of holding the hilt where the hilt is flat against the palm.
The cig was meant to be a motion thing- he had it between his lips and was reaching to it to grab it. The "suspender" im almost certain was just a fold in the shirt that just got colored the wrong shade or had a layer issue.
Honestly every 'mistake' here is something i have probably done myself as an artist lol.
Suspenders were actually gun holsters
I think Zuyu just has a very messy artstyle. He seems like a beginner artist to me, since he really does have a LOT of mistakes in his pieces. He can render skin and clothes prettyy good, but besides that, you cn really see how hard it is for him to draw the poses he looks up on pinterest.
Props to him, he doesn't trace the poses since many things on them are off, like weird looking hands, ears always messed up and other stuff, but yeh..
As an artist, his artworks look odd to me but it is just his weird artstyle.
He will be a good artist in a year or so, until then he really needs to practice drawing more freely^^
This seems weirdly backhanded..
this is exactly what i was thinking. i admittedly haven't finished the video but there's things that, looking at the 'evidence' i can see where the messy line art can make it look really weird because it's not defined as much. what looks like a 'second zipper' on the misato piece looks like a belt that's just poorly outlined. on the minami piece i think he was going for his hand pulling away from the cigarette, or moving towards it, rather than it trying to actually grab something that wasn't there. it seems like a case of where they roughly sketch the piece then forget exactly what it was they were trying to go for when they go to render, which is def something i can understand. also seems like they put the cart before the horse learning to render so well but then not learning the basics of anatomy and clothing folds, which then leads to things like this were things look weird a janky but the rest of it looks so good that it must be something else when it's... not. if they put in a ton of work on learning anatomy and how cloth drapes, they would be an absolutley stellar artist.
Yeah a lot of these “ai signifiers” are just mistakes a beginner, or even just a hobbyist who hasn’t been to art school, would make.
i was blessed with the ability to draw quite decently from references as a kid, and i kept doing that for like 3 years until i decided i wanted to draw original stuff without references, and i basically had to start from zero, because drawing from reference, and understanding how to draw original concepts from your head are two difference practices. and if they wanted to start now, it would likely be such a drastic change in quality, which wouldn't sit well on social media, so they might feel kinda chained to using references if they want to keep up with quality of what they do. i'd advise them to at least do more independent studies on clothing and smaller details tho, to support the work they do with references
Beginner artist? get the fuck out my face
Ive been telling a lot of people that hands are not indicative of AI, ive seen so many artists just not drawing hands correctly, be it lazyness, cuz it wasnt the focus of the work or because they decided they didnt want correct hands but they didnt want to resort to hiding them... suddenly everyon is an art critique, but really they dont know what they are doing, and it is baffling to see a lot of people just sending them to "AI jail" just because they did that artistic decision
I can't draw hands to save my life😅
@@thepovdweller lol yeah, that too, some people may draw the most beautiful portraits, bug drawing hands... that is challenging af
ofc its a clothing brand 💀
Ofc. I give up on those types of clothing brands cuz they either steal every drawing or they all use ai anime girls now. Had to unfollow one who switched to ai trash recently
About Nanami's jacket - many jackets like this have straps on the back that allow u to wear it like backpack or only on one shoulder and not drop the jacket on the ground, Al'haitham wears his the same way
And about Misato's jacket, it just has douple lining, many 2000 jackets had those
Yeah but specifically, Nanami does not wear a jacket like that though
@@cranburrey he does not smoke as well and its goes against his character, yet wearing classic jacket is more his style
I think one of my big concerns is the way the other artists commented on Zuyu's work. Now, I agree that there is a typical process of learning anything, because we're human and our methods of learning aren't that varied. But, I think it's a grim day for artists the moment artists start speaking for all other artists. I thought that learning your own way was something that was supposed to be celebrated? Reading between the lines, it sounds like unless you come from a traditional art background, you will inevitably be accused of using AI. And you what? I'd actually say that Zuyu did use AI-generated references, but who cares? It doesn't sound like they generated any themselves -- it's just that if you search for anything now on Google, half the results are AI. That's not a problem they should be tasked to solve, that's on Google.
I think this channel is one of factors that adds in in people's paranoia. Because people don't realise that AI is trained on artists works and it tends to copy mistakes as well.
Personally I think I'll stop indulging in this kind of drama even in video form. Seeing others taking someone's work apart and pointing out all they consider is wrong with it leaves a bad taste in my mouth after all.
I feel the same way because as much as I dislike the art community in it's current state, I really think making content over pointless DRAWma is really damn weird. But whatever pays her bills lmao
I honestly don’t understand hate for either side. He seems like a messy artist (nothing wrong with it) and for Tea’s side they have a bunch of other artists saying it’s AI and Tea is not an artist so they are probably leaning towards all these people who are saying stuff..especially since they have a store they want to do everything they can to make sure that it is not AI. Honestly I thought Tea was very respectful when talking with Him. And you can see what could potentially be AI In his art or it could just be errors from really looking into the art.
Sorry but No... NOooooo... Iced Tea Aesthetics should have never ever posted & accused an artist on a public social media site. Wtf is wrong with people? How dare Iced Tea Aesthetics try to force the artist to 'prove' their work is really hand drawn. The artist is young & new & was under no obligation to comment on this accusation. And damn it Iced Tea Aesthetics actually thinks things are cool now like he did the right thing... For the artist... The IPad & the apology is not enough! Not even close! Do not work for people like this, not for 1 million dollars. Do not accept any gifts because it means the deal is done & u accept the terms of the accusation & the accusation outcome. Make a point of sending that IPad back. i would even send back any money mixed in with this art commission & make them pull every piece in question out of production. You do not have to work with people like this. i feel so bad for the artist.
Ghosted the company when contacted privately, what else were they supposed to do? Take them to court?
Iced tea was incredibly civilized and nice in this tbh. He tried contacting Zuyu privately to solve the situation multiple times only to get ghosted. What should he have done otherwise? Just accept that he got scammed out of more than a 1000 usd, move on and let a potential fraud continue scamming others?
They had paid him 1000$. How will you react if you have buisness that people say it's art is AI?
@@ankilearning Iced Tea Aesthetics should have never under any circumstance posted any type of accusation on a public social media site. If the artist didn't feel like replying in private then Iced Tea Aesthetics had the option to pull any all all art pieces from his brand until further notice. No amount of money is worth it for the artist to work under these conditions. I will not comment further.
@@otkrivlenie Iced Tea Aesthetics had no right to accuse any artist publicly. Period. How could a business owner react??? Well... Iced Tea Aesthetics could have made the choice to pull any and all art made by this artist so no one else could purchase it until things were cleared up. The process of blasting people in public on social media is uncalled for and out of line. An artists reputation is all they have and is worth much more than $1k. I will comment no further.
I have to say, the “mistakes” here do look eerily similar to the ones AI tend to make. The ones that were most concerning to me were Nanami’s shirt, Tifa’s hair, and the skull “teeth” seeming to merge with/appear on a different element of the piece. If you show me these pieces and asked me if they’re AI, I would say “yes” without a doubt.
The other scenario is that the artist is just being human and making mistakes. It is possible to overlook inconsistencies and not notice mistakes until the pieces have been shared to the world. As the artist mentioned themselves, they don’t aim for perfection when making these.
With that said, based on what I have seen on this video alone, I don’t think I’m crazy for thinking that the artist still hasn’t been completely honest despite everything that happened. If an AI program was not used, then an AI piece has definitely been referenced.
Give up, lil bro. They admitted he proved on stream he didn't use AI. Let it go and let the guy live in peace.
@@SomeSilentSerpentyou can prove you don’t use AI but it doesn’t mean you didn’t before. That’s the point. A good artist can fake proof but it doesn’t mean under pressure to produce, they didn’t resort to AI to make their work much faster.
He admitted his process is really slow, which adds more to the idea that he used AI to make things faster. Could he have done it without AI? Of course. Did he? I highly doubt it. Not to mention the fact that he blatantly traced art and posted it, which makes profit, which means you’re making profit off of copied concept and art. So he’s not a stranger to art theft.
The evidence speaks for itself. He took a shortcut and got caught. And then got paid for it. He won. Take a mental break, come back in a month, all’s forgotten.
@@K.L.- this reminds me of that one webtoon called quantum entanglement that obviously uses ai but people defend them because 'they can actually draw, theyve done so for years' and 'they posted proof in a livestream'. just because someone can draw doesnt mean they are incapable of using shortcuts. even the top speedrunners use cheats. its the same thing :/
@@WishtelleI agree with this statement 100%. It’s so frustrating seeing these people be this gullible to even go as far as to defend these fools. It’s very blatant that they *used* AI and redrew it- or worse, traced it just for their ego to be filled with praises. What they could've done was actually build up their creativity and grow as an artist
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as someone who has smoked, a little hint: you don't hold the cigarette with your fingers all the time. sometimes you just hold it in your mouth like nanami in this drawing.
often to look more “relaxed ”
but i still get what you mean, even if it shopuld look "more relaxed" why align the fingers with the jacket.
I'll be so for real as someone who is starting to learn how to do art, this is making me not want to. I think I'll leave that want alone, because I have huge anxiety, i couldn't imagine someone forcing me to prove myself over a live stream taking me out of my comfort zone
hey dont worry about it! you dont have to post your drawings or show them to the internet, you can just share inbetween friends (something that i have been doing with others for a while). just draw what you want for yourself and make it a personal goal :)
I understand what you mean but you should go for it! Just don’t post it online, do art FOR YOU
Wait, they buy unlicensed fan art of licensed characters to commercially sell those and then complain that the characters were AI made? They shouldn't be commissioning licensed characters to be sold on their business in the first place.
The problem is people who barely know how AI works are claiming random things to be AI
I've seen people even claiming old ahh memes to be "AI generated"
the double zipper jacket was a style in the 80s - source I'm an old lady and I had several with a double zipper
The thing that bothers me is why didn’t zuyu provide those evidence earlier when the company requested them privately? I know they provided a final sketch but that wasn’t enough and they requested more proof, and instead of giving them more proof/timelapses/earlier sketches zuyu decided to ghost them FOR A MONTH AND A HALF. Like i don’t blame the company for writing that whole thread because they gave him a chance to prove his innocence privately and instead he decided to ghost so of course they would be suspicious.
Also like u said in the video he is really good at drawing hands especially in the yuta one his hands are really detailed and the line art is clean, so why was the maki one weird? Especially since it’s a commission i would think that he would spend a little more time and effort to make sure it looks great. Idk i really hate that artist have to prove that they draw their own stuff and i really feel bad for zuyu but in his case he could have avoided all of that damage if he just provided evidence instead of ghosting for a month and a half.
Also from what I've seen, they use procreate so why didn't they just send them their speed paint downloaded from the app?
The hands on the maki piece weren’t that odd. I’m pretty sure it’s just a more stylised way of holding a sword, I reckon the index finger was imagined by zuyu to be resting flat on the hit of the sword. Although, I do agree he probably should’ve taken more care to make it look a tad bit better, it seems that he made mistakes out of inexperience or ignorance, which is very normal
@@cranburrey Late reply but i'm pretty sure on procreate you can hide certain layers in the timelapse, theyd still be accused of tracing ai
The man is not holding a cigarette, but is going to take it to exhale smoke. The red jacket-she doesn't have a second jacket, but a belt, can't you see?
Sadly, just because someone can draw without AI assistance doesn't mean they always do... Some of Zuyu's works look human made while others look AI-assisted (not fully AI generated), so it's difficult to give a definitive answer. Hopefully Zuyu will publish more speedpaints than one.
None of them look like they're ai, I'm going to be so real right now.
@@g0th3artz not fully generated but there are fragments that do seem to be based off ai-generated reference (though some of those spots may be just a result of trying to trace over a really low res reference photo...)
@@g0th3artz those hands are def sus. No artist who knows anatomically correct hands really well (unless all his previous pictures had traced hands) would let those hands pass in a final piece. Not to mention odd details like collars having random extra jagged points. If it was a rough I would understand but this is final work - imagine him putting final line art to highlight those irregularities. It’s bizarre. His render style is so good at highlighting what looks like crisp perfection yet he makes these weird inconsistencies and goes over them with line art without questioning it?
I can only speculate that he rushed to get pieces out because he is not as experienced at composition and line art as he is in rendering. His process consists of (which he mentioned) a ton of reference building and that is a slow process. I have a similar process so that part I can relate to, especially when he continued to bring up the part about him still learning (which is completely okay). But if you know you’re slow, maybe don’t accept so much work, forcing you to resort to using something that messes with your integrity as an artist.
Anyway, Zuyu is the only one who knows what he did. At his level, he can provide proof of course, that he makes his own art. I have no doubt he does. But can he prove why those specific pieces had AI elements? He hasn’t. So we will never truly know. All I know is as an artist myself, it doesn’t make sense, so I go with my gut on this one. And I think he got away with it.
@@K.L.- except he doesn't know hands well. There is not a single piece where the hands don't have errors in them. Rendering and anatomy are different skills. His hands are constantly bad. That's that.
@@g0th3artz you must be new to the art industry.
Looks like they use AI as a base for their art and in the end it's just another generic Instagram anime style honestly... Honestly not even worth the hullabaloo. Iced Tea Aesthetics should NOT have called out the artist publicly like that. And I would not recommend supporting them.
The company asked look for ai to the other artists, so they looked for ai. Saying sketchy/ scratchy lines is ai and tracing, I ffucking do that I draw in scratches am I tracing?
I don't think it's necessarily ai, but didn't someone in the og Twitter post show proof that Zuyu has traced their art from other artists? This would also explain their messy lineart and nonsensical design elements (things melting into eachother etc).
Its sad zuyu was put through this situation over some non-artist having no clue what there talking about. Its absolutely ridiculous someomes life was basically ruin over someone that had no clue what they were talking about. I hope zuyu is doing okay after everything they've been put through
Im also surprised how nice zuyu was towards ice tea... I wouldn't have wrote such a nice comment, I'd definitely be suing and telling ice tea to fk off. I do hope ice tea does reivce some sort of karma. Its ridiculous ice tea made this public to begin with
It’s tricky. I think the default accusation is that an artwork is entirely AI generated, when it’s entirely possible that even if a piece is handmade, AI was either used as reference or traced.
You should always use reference when you don’t understand something, but it is unfortunately becoming common to reference AI art as a means to cut corners. And from the wording of the artist’s apology, it sounds like that’s what they were doing. Hopefully it’s an important teaching moment for them.
imo sometimes AI references may be out of the artist's control since that depends on the place they're looking their references for. On Pinterest there's loads of AI-generated stuff that are starting to look like real human art, and the artist may have used them unintentionally. That being said, it's really hard to analyze whether art today is made by AI or not. I think the best references for artists right now are REAL pictures rather than art for now, since those are photographed and are easier to analyze whether it's AI generated or not (usually AI "photographs" are very very smooth with less noise)
I’m a beginner artist and idk… I’m bad at hands too, but never in a way where whole fingers are missing or just bizarre nonsense poses like in his accused pictures. Also he’s done hands fine before… so why are they so messed up suddenly. And all the little weird details on the collared shirt that don’t make sense are super sus. I don’t doubt he has skills but I think he did use AI sometimes to expedite the process, especially as someone who has traced work. As a slow artist myself, I can see the temptation and why some would use AI under pressure to produce results, especially if you’re being paid and have deadlines.
Live-streaming evidence is not hard if you can do it but resorted to AI previously to speed up the process. It’s all very sus to me. And honestly, I feel like he got away with it.
for the nanami piece, a lot of people draw his suspenders go around the shoulder and under the armpit creating a kind of bondage look. i've seen a lot of artists sexify his suspenders because it crosses in the back or something. just something to note
They are gun holsters
nah, i still think that he still traces or heavily references ai. i can definitely see it, esp with his very stiff sketches.
yes, also the fingers look terrible...too big skill differences..if you can render so good and be that bad then with fingers...also the extra bumbs on the buisiness shirt buttonhole included....thats a very typical ai flaw.. He uses a.i maybe 50% as help reference and traces the rest. A.i will destroy art...the only good thong is, lazy ppl with fantastic idea will show up, but in general it will dumb down creativity enormously
That's the thing that bothers me, having that much of a detailed art style while having inconsistencies like button-up having like two flaps and the three fingers. Idc if it's a stylistic choice, having art rendered like that while having the same mistakes that people catch when ai is used is just really suspicious
@@cranburrey not to mention his deleted pieces having a lot of inconsistencies?.. a lot of artists delete artwork theyre embarrassed of but that was really suspicious with the timing :/
I’m glad there are still those who question the “artist” for their authenticity.
this community is getting crazy, artists are hurting themselves more than AI could ever dream of
imagine being this good and then getting accused of this shit. my anxiety 📈📈
Look up "Vintage jackets with double zippers." From what I remember, that anime is old. They possibly looked up 90s jackets and fashion.
Also that's Nanami's harness.
As an artist I’ve come across sht like this…. And it’s annoying.
sooo they thought he was using ai because of the drawing style ? so goofy , and biggest waste of time, woulda sued for defamation on sight
Yeahhh, I mean... It's cool that they made an art piece all on their own and recorded it, but... It doesn't share any of the issues that people were pointing at in the first place? Not sure why everyone is immediately dismissing all accusations based on this - they still might have used AI for the other artworks (and to me, it still looks like they did, because the new art does not look like AI at all). Unfortunately we'll never know for sure.
I think the problem is that he uses too much contrast, too much highlights and too much occlusion shadows. If he didn’t paint like that, no one would suspect him
So many uncanny valley bloopers that no artist probalby wouldn't do. Artist probablly added Nanami a under arm holster, though I still would have questions like it would probably have more straps than that.
The minute i saw very long giraffe neck from that perspective it was hard for me to think that it's actually AI.
i take such issue with these artists dog piling on zuyu. its people like these who are going to drive beginner / inexperienced / anxious artists off the internet as a whole. being critical and looking out for ai is important in this space but the ai witch hunts causing innocent artists to lose their platforms are getting out of hand.
Not knowing how to draw hands being an art crime is pretty insane. AI in my mind, feels like the smoothening and common sense that makes a case. I didn't even know the character, I thought they would've had 3 fingers and a thumb hiding behind the hilt in the first picture.
0:12 wait a min.. is that Maki from jjk.. yeah i think it is her, the scars, hair and sword
As an artist who is highly skilled in damn near realistic rendering style , my lines art sketchy
Rendering has always been something im the most skilled in, not line work
So to see someone getting accused of ai because of their sketchy lines is just heartbreaking
Sad to see tbh
But what about 3 fingered hands? Clothing with nonsensical details? The sketch lines being brought up first, I also thought was nothing, style preference. But the hands? No way, a good artist who can draw anatomically correct hands consistently would never look at those and let it pass through as paid commission pieces, unless they were in a huge rush to begin with. Which I suspect is why they resorted to AI. Speeds up the process extremely.
not to be rude, but if that's your art in your profile, then you are far away from "realistic rendering style"
no shame in being a beginner or intermediate artist, but I don't see the indicated expertise for your claim
I wouldn't go around calling yourself "highly skilled" in rendering realistically while having that pfp
I think he does uses AI, but not always, which can happen too 🤷🏻♀️
i saw this on twitter shit was sad
wanted to say: i hate that just having messy lineart makes people accuse others of ai.
i LOVE that look for art
it's insane that no one can just make art and be happy
It's ridiculous, I sometimes do really scratchy line art when using a subject or reference just so I can get a real quick basic shape to build from. It's a habit I have from back when I started with traditional paper.
YES omg I immediately got offended that people said that and I don't even draw like that lmao. I have ridiculously clean lineart cause I'm way too perfectionistic, but I absolutely adore messier lineart. That lineart style in those images looked like a choice, it fit the pieces so well. Whether or not it's traced or ai doesn't take away from the fact that the lineart being messy isn't the indicator of that being the case. Plenty of AI has pretty clean looking lines, and I'm sure plenty of tracers are capable of cleaning things up on their own. Messier lines look gorgeous and gives certain styles so much life and energy imo.
Fr- I take a long time to do art so most of the time I just clean up my sketch to the best of my ability.
no because this case worries me
THATS LITERALLY MY LINEART. INTENTIONALLY.
DO PEOPLE THINK IM USING AI?? HECK..
@@mikuumelodyIdk if that's your art in your pfp, but it doesn't look like the type that people would use to train ai to generate art so you don't need to worry
I love how we went from every artist complaining about how hard hands are to draw (specifically), to “oh you struggle with hands? I guess your AI.” Like also wish we wouldn’t call someone’s technique rare when it’s just not what we use, many self taught artist draw through shading and coloring. Line work is a specific skill, and if you’re not good at it, you typically make up for it with rending, shading, coloring. Calling this known method rare just opens up people whose strength isn’t in line work up for a witch trail. Because notice how there was no doubts the artist was shading it themselves, and the way its shaded schemes “THIS IS MY STRENGTH.” People know some art doesn’t contain lines at all right?
Personally I feel like there’s too many signs that for me personally I think there is some kind of AI involved in his art.
i agree. i still think they shouldn't have done a public call out like this without reaching out first, but it's become a thing for some artists to trace and colorpick ai. and then provide a speedpaint that "proves" that there was no ai involved when there absolutely was. selenada art always comes to mind out bigger creators, she did a bunch of pieces that heavily relied on ai last summer, deleted all the comments pointing it out and fooled the rest with a poorly executed speedpaint. so disappointing
I still think they used AI. It was very clever to send video rather than doing live stream. It's very easy to fake such video.
Also just because someone can draw, doesn't mean they not using AI to draw for them, so they can spend 10min rather than 10h. You can even train AI on your own art works to mimic specifically your style.
I have the same opinion. The mistakes just don’t make sense to me
this ending feels a bit weird to me still tho.. in the first 2 threads iced provided so much evidence pointing out the suspicious parts of zuyu's art (which was very convincing for the most part in my opinion), but then in the final thread iced provides 0 evidence to disprove all the accusations? It feels very weird to me.
You could say that the timelapse is evidence enough, but I thought the timelapse was very suspicious too. The part that iced and those other artists was suspecting zuyu the most of was traced lineart. And the way zuyu started that piece was very unnatural to me. He just got right into it as if he's tracing. No propotions to start it off, no sketching, he just gets right into it starting from the ear. Some artists can work like this sure, but Zuyu just gets right into it and makes pretty much 0 adjustments. This is absolutely not a normal way of working ESPECIALLY when you didn't put proportions into place first. I think this might also explain why the timelapse video starts from an angle away from the screen. There could be a low opacity line under it (that he can trace over) that we can't see because of the camera angle. He also doesn't share the layers.
I don't know, this whole situation just feels super odd to me. Iced had the whole list of things zuyu had to do to prove himself with a livestream (offering 1500 usd for it). Zuyu didn't do this and just made his own timelapse, but it still got accepted as proper evidence? I'm so confused.
Yeah there’s definitely still some things that bugs me, like the double jacket zipper, the hair thing etc that literally have no logic. I also find the Timelapse quite strange like you said. Not sure what to think about all that …
Zuyu did do the livestream with Iced, that's why Iced retracted their statement. Just that it was a private livestream.
@@loyard1167 nope, this livestream never happened.
YES EXACTLY iced tea provided a lot of evidence that zuyu might be using ai but what did zuyu do to prove he didn’t use ai?
IcedTea said in their apology thread that Zuyu did a livestream with them. I don't see why the accuser would lie.
I will say that some of the stuff look a bit sus.
Im pretty sure they do use AI, she didnt show the rest of their art, but all of it looks hella sus, and as someone that follows a lot of artists, he has also a lot of inspired or referenced art from others, like, usual viral art on twitter gets redrawed by him. He has the skills for sure, I think its just a thing of lazy creativity, looks for the pose and copy it
Exactly, but some people in the comment section are fighting tooth and nail just to prove why they don't see it that way
@@cranburrey Because they are fanboys with not own criteria, so if the famous youtuber says so, it must be true and they should defend it, no matter if the youtuber is also wrong
Not me getting an ad to
“✨improve your app with generative ai✨”
😭😭😭😭😭
honestly i dont beleive Zuyu. especially with that timelapse that was split apart. i dont trust them one bit.
Finally someone here that has some common sense. I'm surprised the people in the comment section ignored that part and are just quick to defend them 😭
Im with you, the evidence shown before is basically 99%, and the "sketch" in that timelapse dont make sense too. As for the hands, yes its hard to draw and human make mistakes, but a human will never merge it with part of a clothing.
for me, ai art is pretty obvious to distinguish and this isn't it. the fashion brand obviously did not do their due diligence.
I honestly think the person uses ai as reference, just bc they were able to draw before using it they can just reverse engineer or have the ai reference aside when doing a timelapse. The way they render looks how ai generates rendering.
Imagine expecting perfection from humans and flaws from machines.
The fact that I could be accused of tracing or using ai because I just clean up my sketch to use as my lineart is... very disheartening man.
genuinely happy that by the end of it, a nice understanding happened! I feel like its rare to actually get to that point in a lot of cases like this
Being accused of being a Ai artist just sounds like an insult, cuz every ai art just looks like badly photoshopped photos😭
Really? I feel like most AI art looks better than most human art nowadays, I realized that when I was looking for references for a character and legit the only useful references that could accurately capture the character from different angles consistently were official art or AI generated art, and like a handful of unofficial human artists, soon AI will generate better hands and anatomy than the average artist still trying to get over those hurdles, at the very least AI art is better than performative art where rich people throw paint at each other to launder millions of dollars
@@xxghastlytonerxx I mean all ai works like a search engine, it is basically a bunch of peoples art or photos edited together
the reason the images from AI look so similiar isn't simply because the model could potentially mimic something in it's data and MORE LIKELY that they just img2img variant an existing image and didn't even txt2img.
People need to realize that anytime something like that text mimicry happens or something that is THAT CLOSE to an original is it's because they fed an image directly into the model so basically it's even MORE plagiarizing because they couldn't even use a random seed and just fed an image thru the workflow to get a variation
The fact that that gets left out is wild to me lol
some these accusations can be very worrying for artists who still struggle to draw hands.
Imagine thinking someone’s art career is equal to $1500 or an iPad. How awful.
I get how the hand would look awkward, but the index finger and thumb could be the ones supporting the handle of the sword. Like the index finger is extended to support the handle, same as the thumb. Also a lot of artist use their first initial sketch, then build on it and then clean up their lines - it's a art style a lot of my faves use.
That looks like stuff AI would spit out. Everyone sucks here
his newer images definitely ai. they are above 95 on scala. his 3-4 year old art doesnt have the same problem they end up below 10%
13:47 as a person with parents that smoke, you do hold the cig in your mouth (unless you need too do something that takes both hands) but thats just my parents
13:00 i am sure ai was used here even after watching full video
Absolutely agree with you. I understand the brand has to do refund because the artist drew the piece for them, but... meh
I remember commenting on this; it did look like he relied very heavily on references.
At 14:43 im pretty sure that was supposed to be a gun holster type thing. They are commonly worn under the blazers
15:08, Nanami doesn’t wear suspenders, it’s a holster for his weapon, which is why you don’t see it attaching to his pants. The fingers separate from the cigarette make sense because he isn’t holding it, it’s an image of him either having released the cigarette or poised to retrieve it. While some pictures look janky it feels weird to knit pick these without really thinking about them, while talking from a place of authority. I enjoy your videos, but that was way off.
It's so wild to confidently blackmail someone to either demand they go on livestream or you'll ruin their career. Now, we are saying if something is too messy, it's AI, or it's too perfect, it has to be made with AI. I absolutely hate the use of AI to replace artistic expression and work, but I'm hating what it's doing to us more. There can be no more personal style or mistakes without accusation. An artist must be prepared to be guilty and prove their ability up to someone else's standard at every post. It's wild.
Im glad they paid the artist back. I knwo they tried to be a good brand, not selling ai trash but they should do it PRIVATELY.
They have contacted Zuyu privately but they never responded back for like 2 months
i'm still skeptical tbh, as an artist, i can tell the drawing they provided as proof is suspicious asf, the face and left part of the body have a wrong percpective. It's also very weird to record a process the way they did, and it proved nothing too. Also as a profetional artist, the amount of mistakes there is unacceptable imo, i've done comission before and i would NEVER dare to not check if the drawing is good enough before sending it, espacially if people are paying over 100$. I understand making mistakes as one draw, but at some point this is your job?? People are paying huge amount of money, you can't just like " i want to be done with it, so i'm gonna do a "cheap trick"". I don't think they are using 100% ai but it's definitly part of their process as well as tracing is.
sorry for any mistakes, english is not my first language
This is what happens when artist hyper-focus on the wrong things with their channels. And don't get me wrong, I like this channel but... its tiresome to see this sort of content. Educate me on what I should be looking in art. I like to believe I have a good grasp on how to identify these things having worked with several artists but not everyone has.
The best artists can do is educate.
Now, as an author who goes through the trouble of creating my craft I know there's plenty of people who use AI to generate novels. I work hard in refining my stories and grow as an author. AI generate novels shows 100%.
Do I want to waste my time witch hunting them? No! Why?! Because I don't want to waste my time with that. I rather create and educate.