I've owned dogs for over 30+ yrs, and have introduced puppies to seniors, adult dogs to adult dogs, females to males, same sex. I've had Dobes, Shepherds, Labs and Bostons. What is THE KEY here is finding dogs of *similar temperaments.* I had two female German Shepherds where one was more alpha than the other. Yet, if pushed to far, the other would let her displeasure be known w/a bark and a snarl. When you're the leader in the home, the dogs' eyes are on you. They watch exactly how you are treating each of them. You cannot be viewed as favoring one dog over another. If I pet one, I pet them all and currently I have four dogs. You set the tone for the introductions, what you will tolerate and what you won't. When it came to feeding, playing, the new kid on the block was gradually worked in, and I would inevitably change around who came first so none of my pups felt they had the upper hand over another. I'm not afraid to raise my voice and use "the look" when is comes to discipline and expectations. Same as my mother did with me. Otherwise, your dog(s) can be running you.
well said....similar temperments are vital for the first few encounters but thats not life and may be out of our control right......so...how do we teach the dog that every dog may be different but the rules on play/behavior are the rules.....thats the challenge I think. thanks for your great feedback. You bring up good points. Whos running the house.....the human owner or the dog, lol. The leash walk tells me everything and behavior in the home.
You see these discussions a lot, about which one is bigger. Truth is, the three Western European herder breeds are, by an large, of pretty similar size. I have seen these so-called standard Dutch Shepherd sizes that makes them smaller than the other two, and they're bollocks. I've never seen a decent Dutchie being any smaller than the average Malinois. A full-grown GSD is often somewhat heavier than the other two, though. I Love all three, with the GSD being the least temperamental of the three. A Dutchie is the most intense and potentially the most "dangerous" if not handled right.
I want to give you credit but introducing males to females is not a problem at all. You don't need a 30-minute prelude. Just let them off. The worst thing that can happen is a female snap at a male couple of times. Males would never full attack females. Now, try this with male to male(Gsd to KNPV Dutch), and you would quickly find out that even if you train for 2 months straight, the second you leave them alone in the backyard, they are going to throw all of that training out the window and will start working out the hierarchy between them the "Old fashioned way."
Ive seen many fights between opposite sexes....I take my time and set the dog up to succeed via a proper, safe introduction after basic obedience and leash manners are fully understood. This Dutch has a history of killing wildlife and has only interacted with 1 dog. Safety first. I have done this with many same sex dogs with fight histories successfully and also left unattended to watch out a window without issue....mals, dutch, working gsd, pits, rottys and the like. Thanks for your feedback. .
@@venozacoffee4650 if you had 2 of any dog same sex and couldn't control them...that tells me everything, hahaha. Thanks for watching. Please share your video of working line dogs any time meeting for the first time, one with multiple kill history and never socialized.
Great video! I have a 3 year old white GSD. And a 6 month old Dutch Shepard. Both males. It took a couple of weeks for the GSD to accept him in the house. But there now best friends. They get plenty of exercise I have an ache of land. They run around playing with each other through out the day. The Dutcie still needs some more training but can be very stubborn sometimes.
Hey T Sal, thank you. Awesome. I am thinking of getting a dutchie or a rotty for my next dog in a year or so when my dog is fully trained and mature. Keep there interactions low the first year or so (10-15 minutes a couple, few times a day, when YOU release them to interact...you gotta be each dogs best friend not create best friends with eachother (right now).....that will come to back fire on you down the road, potentially. Be aware of any issues immediately as the dutchie comes into his own in the next 6-12 months. Awesome dogs!!
I also have a 3 year old female mix. She's mostly GSD and has some Siberian Huskey and Alaskan Malumute in her. Her and the White Shepard just had 7 puppies. 4 female and 3 males. 4 were white like the father and 3 were Black and white. They all went to good homes!
I'm not a Breeder. It was an accident. Didn't realize the female was in her cycle. Was about to have her spayed when we figured out she was pregnant. The puppies were a lot of work and I hated letting them go. But they all went to good families that will keep in touch with me so I can see them grow.
Good video and explanation/reasons for doing what you are doing. I agree with you and your responses to other commenters, that patience and time is most important, it is better to error on the said of caution, than it is to run in head first and regret the results that come from that. I never have owned a GSD, Malinois or Dutchie, the breeds I love and have owned for 30+ years have been the Dobermann (3) and the Rhodesian Ridgeback (1), Will be getting my 4th Dobermann and 2nd Ridgie soon, and the first time I will have owned both at the same time.
My GSD was socialized and went everywhere with me. She loved the dog park and going to home depot and the people loved petting her. She never had a problem meeting a new dog anywhere because she didn't have a mean bone in her body. This is what you do when the dog isn't or hasn't been socialized properly. There was one pit bull at the park where the owner let the dog have live rabbits. The problem isn't the dog the problem is the owner of the dog. And she never had a problem with that dog but she kept away from him too.
That's a nice x herder. Looks like a traditional working line out of Holland with some working line GSD in his line. His head is very nice for this reason. I wish they would start breeding the working line gsds the way the Dutch do it. Mal x Dutch x wl GSD.
absolutely, great dog.....most people cant handle this dog though without proper guidance. I hate seeing the wrong dog in the wrong home....this dog was a mess. Thanks.
@@ABCdogtraining802 I know you are right period many people cannot handle a serious working line German Shepherd let alone a Malinois or Dutch Shepherd with no off switch. The travesty for me is seeing Malinois or Dutch Shepherds kept in crates or yards exclusively without much interaction which they covet. On the other end, I cannot stand to see even working line German Shepherds with too long of backs, too short of legs, and not enough Drive. Ultimately though, most people should just get an American lab. But for a working dog exclusively, I like the mixture of the three breeds done correctly. No show lines
@@primalcritters This dog was mostly in a crate, knew nothing, reactive and unwalkable...great progress! No show lines for this guy either!! we work! thanks.
@@spacecoasttactical overweight yes....obese, absolutely not. Comes from big bloodlines...not saying its good for any dutch/shep to be over 100 pounds but the owner has made changes and now that the dog is walkable, follows direction he will cut down to fighting weight...I hope!
dutchies are typically larger (not always depending on breeding/genetics).....my gsd is 74 pounds (large female)...the dutchie is around 95 (average male dutchie).....i would not recommend one ever being more then 100 (male) or female over 75 or so...again, it all depends on the overall build of the dog but bigger is not better or safe long term.
@@ABCdogtraining802 Really? According to the breed standard dutchies are smaller than german shepherd. I dont understand what you mean by saying that they are larger. I have to look into it again
are you talking in height at shoulders in terms of size possibly?...Im talking overall weight and/or in terms of bulk and strength/overall....at the end of the day if your looking at "breed standards" that is a very flawed and broken system....no different then force free garbage or buying a dog with "paperwork"...it means nothing to any qualified trainer/breeder.
@@ABCdogtraining802 Well yes, I mean height and weight. German shepherd are supposed to be bigger than dutchies. But your german shpeherd is a female so it makes sense
Yes...this is a very important couple months for you...get it at a distance to sights/sounds/dogs/cattle......you be calm and mostly ignore. it may be cautious or curios or overly curious.....back up 30 feet and only advance closer when dog is calm....get a long line, let him explore safely. Dont worry about leash manner yet, I dont train leash manners until 8 months old......do not let him meet many people/dogs....you need to become the most important thing to your dog. Remember....at a great distance, move a bit closer once calm....get him to new places every other day and hand feed...i would recommend teaching the dog yes/wrong/good.....watch my videos or others like nate schoemer on youtube....have fun!
@@ABCdogtraining802 Thank you for your time writing this! I will keep your words in mind since they match up greatly with what the breeder told me few days ago. I never had a dog before, but I surely understand these dogs aren’t for 80% of people. Although, training them is easy so that’s awesome. Only one thing: are they prone to anxiety if being in the cage during my working hours? I really love this breed, but I also want to be the right owner that can provide all the needs of my dog.
@Marko Vucinic I’m planning to also get a Dutch Shepherd it will be my first dog but I’ve done my research and all setting up a schedule and going to get it trained from a course and thinking of getting it in protection or agility I haven’t decided on that yet.
@@avneekflora1528 research and experience are 2 very different things. I would highly recommend getting a different breed for your first dog. your choice. If you need protection that bad get a gun. 99% of purchased police dogs dont make the streets with a professional k9 handler and cost us tax payers lots of money to be thrown away.
@@ryanthompson8029 im just going by what the 30 year police k9 breeder told me from where I purchased her. A 74 pound female is quite large. Markings are just markings, size is just size...small variations on 1 chromosome can make all the difference...who knows, lol.
So much hate in the comments and no alternative. Keyboard worriors never fail. I have done basically the same thing with many dogs i dont see what the problem is.
Well, we wouldnt start this way then, every dog is different....and i have had many people "assume" the same thing and are amazed at what "we" can do in 10-20 minutes (progress). I have done this similar approach with 100 dogs or more, many with severe aggression/multiple fight issues....obedience must be great, leave it must be great...your relationship must be great or the dog is not put in this position.....if a dog wont work for you asking once no bribery/kibble/treats..sit, down, place, leave it asking once....how will it "learn" to respect another dog, cat, squirrel...when it doesnt even respect the owner? 99% of dogs do great in 2-3 weeks working on it every other day at a distance (counter conditioning).....a dog will be great when the owner is great and not until then and it is a process. This took a month to get the dog safely within 8 feet of another dog....we started at 200 feet away with leaking, barking, hackles, lunging....baby steps.
@@ABCdogtraining802 Unfortunately the dog i had passed away from old age. And i am sure you do great work with training dogs. The dog i had was left with her litter mates too long and they formed some kind of pack. she was a sable working line GSD whos parents got rejected from a seeing eye puppy raising program and the neglectful owners left the whole litter in the house all day to attack each other. The dog was great with people and very obedient with me but went wild around other dogs. My cousin took one of the pups also with the same issues and even took it to a professional trainer with no good results. even if you got the dog to accept another particular dog that does not mean its going to be friendly around all other dogs. (in my opinion).
@@weddingguy3271 your correct...this sounds like imprinting gone wrong and/or genetics. 99% of the time it can be helped....but if its the 1% truly genetic (we will never know right)....well, we have to live a prevention life but counter conditioning at the onset of reactivity/aggression and done properly is vital....even genetics can be overcome significantly. It is a tough challenge. very tough. Dogs dont have to like other dogs but they must learn to be "neutral" to them. A dog on a leash 10 feet away is not a threat...how to we teach the dog this over time...tough stuff, long road potentially to a dead end but always worth trying and doing it properly.
It's not, it's in mediocre shape, but it's not overweight. It's under-exercised. These lines have GSDs in them and Mals. They are as big as a good-sized GSD. 90 pounds +. They are called KNPV Dutch Shepherd X or Herder X. Coming from Holland. They are hardcore biting and fighting machines built to destroy. Police love them. They are shepherds with a pitbull spirit bred for one thing - work(Bite work)
@@denispilipchuk9091 If the bloodlines are unpolluted, Dutchies are slightly smaller than Mali's in general NOT bigger. Dutch Shepherd males stand between 21-25 inches at the withers, while Belgian Malinois males are 22-26 inches tall. Dutch Shepherds males weigh 42-75 pounds, and Belgian Malinois males weigh 40-80 pounds. There's not much in it, but Malinois are slightly larger. I've worked with European imported Mali's and Dutchies for over 30 years, I'll give it to you that it is under exercised but it's also overfed.
2 males?? 2 females are tougher then 2 males, by far, haha. thanks for your feedback, yes, your right they have great obedience as well and great training and manners, thanks. Lol.
I've owned dogs for over 30+ yrs, and have introduced puppies to seniors, adult dogs to adult dogs, females to males, same sex. I've had Dobes, Shepherds, Labs and Bostons. What is THE KEY here is finding dogs of *similar temperaments.* I had two female German Shepherds where one was more alpha than the other. Yet, if pushed to far, the other would let her displeasure be known w/a bark and a snarl.
When you're the leader in the home, the dogs' eyes are on you. They watch exactly how you are treating each of them. You cannot be viewed as favoring one dog over another. If I pet one, I pet them all and currently I have four dogs. You set the tone for the introductions, what you will tolerate and what you won't. When it came to feeding, playing, the new kid on the block was gradually worked in, and I would inevitably change around who came first so none of my pups felt they had the upper hand over another. I'm not afraid to raise my voice and use "the look" when is comes to discipline and expectations. Same as my mother did with me. Otherwise, your dog(s) can be running you.
well said....similar temperments are vital for the first few encounters but thats not life and may be out of our control right......so...how do we teach the dog that every dog may be different but the rules on play/behavior are the rules.....thats the challenge I think. thanks for your great feedback. You bring up good points. Whos running the house.....the human owner or the dog, lol. The leash walk tells me everything and behavior in the home.
It's obvious these 2 dogs are not aggressive toward each other. This exercise is meaningless for these 2 dogs
You see these discussions a lot, about which one is bigger. Truth is, the three Western European herder breeds are, by an large, of pretty similar size. I have seen these so-called standard Dutch Shepherd sizes that makes them smaller than the other two, and they're bollocks. I've never seen a decent Dutchie being any smaller than the average Malinois. A full-grown GSD is often somewhat heavier than the other two, though. I Love all three, with the GSD being the least temperamental of the three. A Dutchie is the most intense and potentially the most "dangerous" if not handled right.
well said
I want to give you credit but introducing males to females is not a problem at all. You don't need a 30-minute prelude. Just let them off. The worst thing that can happen is a female snap at a male couple of times. Males would never full attack females. Now, try this with male to male(Gsd to KNPV Dutch), and you would quickly find out that even if you train for 2 months straight, the second you leave them alone in the backyard, they are going to throw all of that training out the window and will start working out the hierarchy between them the "Old fashioned way."
Ive seen many fights between opposite sexes....I take my time and set the dog up to succeed via a proper, safe introduction after basic obedience and leash manners are fully understood. This Dutch has a history of killing wildlife and has only interacted with 1 dog. Safety first. I have done this with many same sex dogs with fight histories successfully and also left unattended to watch out a window without issue....mals, dutch, working gsd, pits, rottys and the like. Thanks for your feedback. .
That's what I thought we had 2 males GS that would never go together turn your back and they were fighting male and a bitch easy .
@@venozacoffee4650 if you had 2 of any dog same sex and couldn't control them...that tells me everything, hahaha. Thanks for watching. Please share your video of working line dogs any time meeting for the first time, one with multiple kill history and never socialized.
Great video! I have a 3 year old white GSD. And a 6 month old Dutch Shepard. Both males. It took a couple of weeks for the GSD to accept him in the house. But there now best friends. They get plenty of exercise I have an ache of land. They run around playing with each other through out the day. The Dutcie still needs some more training but can be very stubborn sometimes.
Hey T Sal, thank you. Awesome. I am thinking of getting a dutchie or a rotty for my next dog in a year or so when my dog is fully trained and mature. Keep there interactions low the first year or so (10-15 minutes a couple, few times a day, when YOU release them to interact...you gotta be each dogs best friend not create best friends with eachother (right now).....that will come to back fire on you down the road, potentially. Be aware of any issues immediately as the dutchie comes into his own in the next 6-12 months. Awesome dogs!!
I also have a 3 year old female mix. She's mostly GSD and has some Siberian Huskey and Alaskan Malumute in her. Her and the White Shepard just had 7 puppies. 4 female and 3 males. 4 were white like the father and 3 were Black and white. They all went to good homes!
@@tsal677 Okay, you know what your doing then, haha. How long have you been breeding?
I'm not a Breeder. It was an accident. Didn't realize the female was in her cycle. Was about to have her spayed when we figured out she was pregnant. The puppies were a lot of work and I hated letting them go. But they all went to good families that will keep in touch with me so I can see them grow.
Good video and explanation/reasons for doing what you are doing. I agree with you and your responses to other commenters, that patience and time is most important, it is better to error on the said of caution, than it is to run in head first and regret the results that come from that. I never have owned a GSD, Malinois or Dutchie, the breeds I love and have owned for 30+ years have been the Dobermann (3) and the Rhodesian Ridgeback (1), Will be getting my 4th Dobermann and 2nd Ridgie soon, and the first time I will have owned both at the same time.
Thank you for the kind words, I like to set the dogs up to win, safety first. god bless.
love both dobermans and rhodesian's...sorry if misspelled only trained a few of each. great dogs with a great owner...like all dogs, lol. have fun.
😂😂😂😂😂 a male and a female good job!!! Oeps great job😂😂
lol
My GSD was socialized and went everywhere with me. She loved the dog park and going to home depot and the people loved petting her. She never had a problem meeting a new dog anywhere because she didn't have a mean bone in her body. This is what you do when the dog isn't or hasn't been socialized properly. There was one pit bull at the park where the owner let the dog have live rabbits. The problem isn't the dog the problem is the owner of the dog. And she never had a problem with that dog but she kept away from him too.
Nice work brother.
Thank you man!
It's a male and a female. Honestly, results should be expected. Show two males.
That's a nice x herder. Looks like a traditional working line out of Holland with some working line GSD in his line. His head is very nice for this reason. I wish they would start breeding the working line gsds the way the Dutch do it. Mal x Dutch x wl GSD.
absolutely, great dog.....most people cant handle this dog though without proper guidance. I hate seeing the wrong dog in the wrong home....this dog was a mess. Thanks.
@@ABCdogtraining802 I know you are right period many people cannot handle a serious working line German Shepherd let alone a Malinois or Dutch Shepherd with no off switch. The travesty for me is seeing Malinois or Dutch Shepherds kept in crates or yards exclusively without much interaction which they covet. On the other end, I cannot stand to see even working line German Shepherds with too long of backs, too short of legs, and not enough Drive. Ultimately though, most people should just get an American lab. But for a working dog exclusively, I like the mixture of the three breeds done correctly. No show lines
Nice? You mean obese
@@primalcritters This dog was mostly in a crate, knew nothing, reactive and unwalkable...great progress! No show lines for this guy either!! we work! thanks.
@@spacecoasttactical overweight yes....obese, absolutely not. Comes from big bloodlines...not saying its good for any dutch/shep to be over 100 pounds but the owner has made changes and now that the dog is walkable, follows direction he will cut down to fighting weight...I hope!
I always thought german shepherds are bigger than dutchies
dutchies are typically larger (not always depending on breeding/genetics).....my gsd is 74 pounds (large female)...the dutchie is around 95 (average male dutchie).....i would not recommend one ever being more then 100 (male) or female over 75 or so...again, it all depends on the overall build of the dog but bigger is not better or safe long term.
@@ABCdogtraining802
Really? According to the breed standard dutchies are smaller than german shepherd. I dont understand what you mean by saying that they are larger.
I have to look into it again
are you talking in height at shoulders in terms of size possibly?...Im talking overall weight and/or in terms of bulk and strength/overall....at the end of the day if your looking at "breed standards" that is a very flawed and broken system....no different then force free garbage or buying a dog with "paperwork"...it means nothing to any qualified trainer/breeder.
Depends on the dog honestly. My GSD is 145 pounds and he's just muscle, tall, and long.
@@ABCdogtraining802
Well yes, I mean height and weight. German shepherd are supposed to be bigger than dutchies. But your german shpeherd is a female so it makes sense
Any tips on socializing the 4 month old dutch?
Thanks😎👌
Yes...this is a very important couple months for you...get it at a distance to sights/sounds/dogs/cattle......you be calm and mostly ignore. it may be cautious or curios or overly curious.....back up 30 feet and only advance closer when dog is calm....get a long line, let him explore safely. Dont worry about leash manner yet, I dont train leash manners until 8 months old......do not let him meet many people/dogs....you need to become the most important thing to your dog. Remember....at a great distance, move a bit closer once calm....get him to new places every other day and hand feed...i would recommend teaching the dog yes/wrong/good.....watch my videos or others like nate schoemer on youtube....have fun!
@@ABCdogtraining802
Thank you for your time writing this!
I will keep your words in mind since they match up greatly with what the breeder told me few days ago.
I never had a dog before, but I surely understand these dogs aren’t for 80% of people. Although, training them is easy so that’s awesome.
Only one thing: are they prone to anxiety if being in the cage during my working hours?
I really love this breed, but I also want to be the right owner that can provide all the needs of my dog.
@Marko Vucinic I’m planning to also get a Dutch Shepherd it will be my first dog but I’ve done my research and all setting up a schedule and going to get it trained from a course and thinking of getting it in protection or agility I haven’t decided on that yet.
@@avneekflora1528 research and experience are 2 very different things. I would highly recommend getting a different breed for your first dog. your choice. If you need protection that bad get a gun. 99% of purchased police dogs dont make the streets with a professional k9 handler and cost us tax payers lots of money to be thrown away.
Why does the German Shepherd look like a mixed breed?
just the lines, she is a purebred east german working line....you dont see many east german lines typically they come from west germany.
@@ABCdogtraining802 does not look nothing like east german working line, would be sable or black and definitley more stockier.
@@ryanthompson8029 im just going by what the 30 year police k9 breeder told me from where I purchased her. A 74 pound female is quite large. Markings are just markings, size is just size...small variations on 1 chromosome can make all the difference...who knows, lol.
working line 100%
So much hate in the comments and no alternative. Keyboard worriors never fail. I have done basically the same thing with many dogs i dont see what the problem is.
Thank you....quick fix society...setting up dogs to fail or be injured.....ignorance. Safety first and setting dogs up to learn and WIN is how I roll.
theres no way that would work for the dog aggresive GSD i had.
Well, we wouldnt start this way then, every dog is different....and i have had many people "assume" the same thing and are amazed at what "we" can do in 10-20 minutes (progress). I have done this similar approach with 100 dogs or more, many with severe aggression/multiple fight issues....obedience must be great, leave it must be great...your relationship must be great or the dog is not put in this position.....if a dog wont work for you asking once no bribery/kibble/treats..sit, down, place, leave it asking once....how will it "learn" to respect another dog, cat, squirrel...when it doesnt even respect the owner? 99% of dogs do great in 2-3 weeks working on it every other day at a distance (counter conditioning).....a dog will be great when the owner is great and not until then and it is a process. This took a month to get the dog safely within 8 feet of another dog....we started at 200 feet away with leaking, barking, hackles, lunging....baby steps.
@@ABCdogtraining802 Unfortunately the dog i had passed away from old age. And i am sure you do great work with training dogs. The dog i had was left with her litter mates too long and they formed some kind of pack. she was a sable working line GSD whos parents got rejected from a seeing eye puppy raising program and the neglectful owners left the whole litter in the house all day to attack each other. The dog was great with people and very obedient with me but went wild around other dogs. My cousin took one of the pups also with the same issues and even took it to a professional trainer with no good results. even if you got the dog to accept another particular dog that does not mean its going to be friendly around all other dogs. (in my opinion).
@@weddingguy3271 your correct...this sounds like imprinting gone wrong and/or genetics. 99% of the time it can be helped....but if its the 1% truly genetic (we will never know right)....well, we have to live a prevention life but counter conditioning at the onset of reactivity/aggression and done properly is vital....even genetics can be overcome significantly. It is a tough challenge. very tough. Dogs dont have to like other dogs but they must learn to be "neutral" to them. A dog on a leash 10 feet away is not a threat...how to we teach the dog this over time...tough stuff, long road potentially to a dead end but always worth trying and doing it properly.
This could be done in a minute , this is way too much .
go ahead and make your own 1 minute video introducing 2 high drive working dogs, good luck.
like i said ,overkill,
absolute overkill, over the top nonsense,
thanks for watching.....love your videos too
That Dutchie is way overweight
yeah, the owner is working on that.
It's not, it's in mediocre shape, but it's not overweight. It's under-exercised. These lines have GSDs in them and Mals. They are as big as a good-sized GSD. 90 pounds +. They are called KNPV Dutch Shepherd X or Herder X. Coming from Holland. They are hardcore biting and fighting machines built to destroy. Police love them. They are shepherds with a pitbull spirit bred for one thing - work(Bite work)
@@denispilipchuk9091 If the bloodlines are unpolluted, Dutchies are slightly smaller than Mali's in general NOT bigger. Dutch Shepherd males stand between 21-25 inches at the withers, while Belgian Malinois males are 22-26 inches tall. Dutch Shepherds males weigh 42-75 pounds, and Belgian Malinois males weigh 40-80 pounds. There's not much in it, but Malinois are slightly larger. I've worked with European imported Mali's and Dutchies for over 30 years, I'll give it to you that it is under exercised but it's also overfed.
It's a male and a female. Honestly, results should be expected. Show two males.
2 males?? 2 females are tougher then 2 males, by far, haha. thanks for your feedback, yes, your right they have great obedience as well and great training and manners, thanks. Lol.
agree