Great video like always! Would you consider making a video with "basics" for the body types? I find it so hard to find t-shirts, button downs etc. because they are usually too boxy for my body, but wearing dresses everyday is not practical😭
I have the same issue! I work in a business consulting firm so i need to look professional but button downs are very boxy on me too. I also have the issue where the shirt either fits my curves well but gaps at the bust 🙄 the alternative is to wear shirts that have enough "give" for my bust but then the bottom part is so shapeless and huge! And makes me look frumpy. What i now do is wear button downs in softer materials. Think chiffons, satins, silks or even soft cottons rather than stiffer cottons or linens. I buy them in a size that has enough bust room. And i always, always tuck them into my pants. This small adjustment makes me appear professional while also honouring my lines (waist emphasis etc)
My go-to casual look is a flowy shirt or blouse (not baggy) with jeans or casual pants, rather than a t-shirt. And again, tucked in...a bit loosely tucked is fine
@@oooh19 Saying there is an ideal body type isnt judgemental. Ppl who dont have it will of course feel "judged". You can be positive and realistic. There will always be an ideal. That has nothing to do with body positivity.
I love to see analyses of actors that are purposefully put in clothes that don't suit them. I learn so much from the reasoning why it looks off and the comparisons of course.
Yes, the psychological set up of that is fascinating. And so many people accidentally do this in real life. I also would love for her to discuss a specific style such as preppy old money and the results when you put it on each body type. This is so important because many of these styles tend to stick around and then forever keep coming in and out of style.
Melissa looks truly exquisite. Always seen her in the yelling buxomy small woman role. EDIT: a video suggestion here. Maybe you could talk about differences body types of the actresses that have protayed Marilyn Monroe and Marilyn herself. Just for educational purposes to see Romantic style on different body types.
One thing particularly tricky with TR is fabric thickness. In general even if there is a flowy or draping design a thick fabric often is too much. I think this is because it interferes with the delicate bones and small curves and makes us look blocky. So anyone who is TR when shopping remember thinner fabrics are much more likely to look excellent. You can work around this if an item is structurally curvy like a qipao, but so many items just aren't designed that way.
I used to think I was SG and never felt so weird and kinda frumpy even though I liked the style. When I started dressing for a more lush, romantic type everything clicked perfectly. Sometimes you really gotta try styles to know your type. It also helps if your partner can point out that you have a very similar body types to celebs who are already typed
Same thing happend to me. I thought I was a SG but I never felt quite right in SG lines as they were too compact and made me feel large and stumpy. Romantic lines look the best on me, but I have found that my face leans more SG, which can be awkward to accommodate sometimes.
This is so helpful! I'm a Romantic and am 4'11, but have always felt weighed down when wearing clothes that fit traditional petite styling tips- long cardigans, long pants + boots/heels. Now I know why. I feel much more myself in ankle-length pants and cropped cardigans.
I have never heard a petite given advice to wear long cardigans! Wow! I’m 5’2” and was always told to fit to my scale. But I admit I had not tried ankle pants until I discovered Kibbe.
@@stephanien6237 yeah, I've been told it makes you look taller because it "elongates" you- especially if you wear a monochromatic look. I just feel heavy in them.
Thank youuu for this video! You help me further understand my body type and how to dress for petite people. I'm a Romantic body type and only 4'11 in height with an hourglass shape body. I know that flowy dresses and skirts look good my body buttt it is sooo hard for me to wear casual clothes. Casual clothes or basics makes me look boxy and bulky. Hope you can make a video on this bcs it would help me a lot. Thanks again for this video❤
I think I am a romantic too and what works well for me is wearing a very form fitting pair of pants, tights or leggings. When the bottom is super form fitted, the top can be a bit more loose. It should have waist emphasis or be cropped though. A french tuck can help with that. One of my winter favorites for maximum comfort is wearing a short knit dress with tights or leggings.
I'm pretty sure I'm a romantic and the thing that has made the biggest difference in my casual clothes has been tucking in my t-shirts weirdly enough. I wear a lot of high rise jeans (the closer to my natural waist the better) and then I tuck my t-shirt and it helps to show my figure. Also, if it's a looser shirt I let it blouse out a bit to create a draping effect and that seems to really work. You can also take inspiration from a lot of 50s vintage, pinup, and rockabilly casual outfits since a lot of those silhouettes seem to work really well for romantics.
I’m recovering from several eating disorders and am weight-restored and have severe body dysmorphia. Your videos are a Godsend 😭 I’ve never known much about style or my own style and type but I’ve always known that I want to feel comfortable and look good in my clothes. Thank you so much for this and for the way you describe things 💗💗 definitely saving up for a consultation. I love you and your page 🥺💓💓
Loved this! :)) Also! I’d devour a video on TR vs SG if you made it. I’m torn - I’m small and curvy with broad shoulders. I know I have double curve and that’s all. Help? 😂
I'm 5'3/163cm and this video told me I'm actually not petite - mind officially blown! I'm about 80% sure I'm a dramatic classic, and yeah dressing in any of the things you just described for the petite types would make me look super weird. This channel has been so helpful for understanding why certain things look weird or straight-up bad on me, even if i might like the look of them on the hanger or in a photo, and knowing it's just How I'm Shaped and not some, like, moral failure. Thanks Ellie-Jean, you're a gem!
Can you do a video on Kate Winslet type of romantics? Thank you for this this was great explanation. Still trying to figure out whether I'm romantic or soft natural :)
I am stuck between romantic or soft classic! As per the test i am SC, and i also feel i am more balanced hence that seems correct. The issue is that i am extremely short! (5 ft) although most people think i am taller by a couple inches (i look slightly taller than i am). But i dunno whether my height rules out SC...but i don't seem a pure R either 😭
@@minervarose7664 Exactly for me too, except my options seems to be soft classic or soft gamine. 5' tall, I don't look short in a photo by myself so I guess I have vertical going on and very proportioned, and my face is more classic or even natural - longish squarish with balanced features.
I don‘t think i‘m petite but this was so interesting! You talking about the harempants and ankle length pants got me thinking: how about a video on different styles of pants/jeans. I don‘t think i‘ve seen a video of yours on this topic and it would be really helpful since i‘m so not a dress wearing kind of girl :D
Thank you!! I took the test and did get theatrical Romantic , which seems for the most part accurate for me. I’m 4’11 with an hourglass figure , and sometimes it’s hard to find clothes that fit me properly so these videos help immensely 😊
Can you do a video explaining kibbe terms vs. what we conventionally know them as? For example: explain kibble’s definition of profits, curve, vertical, etc. I feel like I mostly know what these terms mean specifically in kibbe, but I feel like I need clearer definitions and comparisons.
This video helped me figure out my type since I'm petite!!! People always wanted to put me in soft or flowy things since I'm "cute" but I always look a million times better in structured! TY!! Also, using your hand structure to diagnose your body type would be brilliant!
Being tall (5'7 or above), but described as 'delicate' and narrow bones usually means Dramatic! This personally helped me a lot. I look a bit like a Flamboyant Gamine in certain features but I'm too tall, so I try to use a mix of advice from both types, but more Dramatic!
Okay I am 5'6. My shoulders are wide,my breast are okay ,small waist and my hips are abit smaller than my shoulder length (if you get me,I can't explain well 😭). My thighs are thicc too but my legs not so much. What kind of features I will fall into?
The more I hear you talk about body types the more fascinated with my own I become, and I wonder if you can do more for plus-size women? Because, as a fat person commonly perceived as a woman, its really hard for me to differentiate whether I'm either a gamine, a TR, or a romantic, because I would argue that my fatness is the most visible thing about me, rather than any specific shapes, though I _do_ believe I have Kibbe petite and double curve. I think I might be a TR, but I also think that might be wishful thinking based on my style roots (earth, fire, moon), considering the suggestions you give for them.
I am Theatrical Romantic and I describe myself as a tiny curvy person! And yes, a can be a very complicated type to dress. The type of fabrics very much matter and thin, flowy fabrics that are fitted but not tight are definitely the most flattering. But I very much struggle with finding the right clothing shape and materials for my body.
I have never had a hard time dressing back in the US, but I just moved to Paris and it seems that the fashion at the moment is more flattering towards dramatic, sharp lines and women with delicate, not-so-fleshy frames. Meanwhile, I'm quite sure that I'm romantic: short, double curve with big bust aka the total opposite of the ideal in my current city. I went shopping and almost all the shirts and dresses I found were straight up and down with no curve accommodation and the fabric is so weighty. I need help lol will definitely hire your services soon.
I have the same problem here in Denmark. The FN valkyrie and SN cool girl styles are everywhere and I can hardly find anything in regular stores which work for me 😅 Naturally (no pun intended lol) I went for vintage styles
Question for Romantics -- in the winter, I feel like a lot of my outfits make me look confined and bulky. Because, higher necklines and thicker fabrics -- to stay warm. I have a couple coats that are pre-Kibbe so they're not accommodating petite or curve very well -- it interesting how obvious this stuff feels now. -- I think a scarf that is a bit flowy or with some ruffle would be helpful -- any other ideas?
This winter I pretty much only wore short knit dresses with tights / leggings in a matching color. They are form hugging even when being made of a thicker material. If it is super cold, I add another sweater (but always check for the waist emphasis).
Can you be 5ft and still be soft natural? I am from an ethnicity who are typically shorter in general than western ethnicities. But I feel I look better in soft natural lines than gamine lines. I am confused!
I'm a huge 60s fashion lover and I've been wearing mod fashion for over 2 years. I find many mod staples such as geometric shapes and loose/straight waist cuts don't flatter my romantic body, though it looks great on flamboyant gamines. Tips on how I can wear more classic mod style and not look "bulky"?
To me soft gamines look better in geometric patterns and tr better in small floral prints. Plaid is too common and I like to think about vertical or diagonal stripes and triangle patterns
I'm 5' tall and feel like I am more of a Soft Natural with some gamine essence. Anything too detailed looks like I'm trying to hard. I'm short but not delicate. I am very solid, busty, and compact, width in my bone structure.
I’m a Flamboyant Gamine and I never thought of myself as “petite” before I found Kibbee. I’m 5’4” and I have sort of long arms and legs in comparison to my torso. My waist is short, so through Kibbee I learned that I look best in shirts that stop at my waist, but most shirts are typically long nowadays. Then it occurred to me… to shop in the “Petites” section 🤦🏽♀️. Problem solved! Lol now I have an easier time finding shirts that look good on my weird shape.
I'm only just now old enough to be properly typed, and I actually think that I will feel more secure in my type in a few more years, because I'm technically still losing a bit of baby fat and gaining what I call my "adult" weight. I've been studying Kibbe for a few years now, and could never figure out if I was SG, TR, or R. I feel like I'm a little too lean to be R, a little too little girlish to be either TR or R, too mature looking to be SG, but far too small to be any other type 🙄. So far, I look great in R and TR lines, so I'm going with that for now.
I don’t know if you’ve already discussed this or made a video just on this topic, but I would love to hear you talk about each types’ recommended lines and silhouettes and then go through the effects for all other types wearing those lines, if that makes sense.
I'm theatrical romantic and I adore dolman tops! The drappy sleeves with the rooshed waist... only "t-shirt" that looks right on me. It's funny, because my family, who are all much taller and bigger boned, have always referred to me as being like a little doll. I'm not just shorter, everything is smaller (head, feet, hands), but I have really long legs for being 5'2 and sharp, narrow shoulders.
i'm a flamboyant gamine (as far as i know) and i love 60s fashion so i guess everything is good hahaha ❤ love your channel ellie, you're helping me slowly find my personal style and look my best as well as teaching me a lot
Hey Ellie, I'm not sure you read these comments. But just incase - I have question. What would you say is the defining difference between theratical romantic types and simply just romantic? Would it be the narrow shoulders? Thank you xx
I really relate to the clothing ideas for TR, the cinched edges. That has always been something that looks great on me. I feel pure R is a little too froofy on me, too soft not ornate enough, but every single time I post photos of myself to ask people in the Kibbe community they almost always say pure R, and it seems that the reason they give is that my hips are not super round and my waist is not extremely narrow but I do look small and curved still very noticeably. I am currently about 25 pounds overweight but it's well hidden because my bones are small so 8t just looks like I'm normal size. Still, very boneless looking. However, I see many other ladies who have very large hips and disproportionately small top half being told they are TR which always gets me because that's not double curve is it?? I guess it really is true, in my opinion, that TR is very misunderstood and most people don't know what a TR looks like. I have been "professionally " typed many times because I love getting the analysises done, it's so fun to read, and every time I've gotten TR because I send a ton of photos at different weights, and only got R once, but still whenever I share my results in the Kibbe community it's like no one ever wants to let me be recognized as TR, despite that those details and clothes look best on me and I am petite. I love Mila as an example of TR because the stereotype people have of these large hips for TR just needs to go.
I think once hijab and it’s associated dress code is brought into play, it becomes less about accommodations/honoring the silhouette (because for example, abayas typically have width + vertical. Petite + curve will be impossible and defeat its purpose) due to fixed dress code (e.g. romantics are encouraged to show off curves). There will be more emphasis on details (hijab style, accessories, shapes, fabric type/weight in terms of both clothes and hijab, patterns) to express one’s yin-yang balance. Actual accommodations could still be possible depending on how closely someone observes hijab guidelines. Dramatics (and dramatic family) do well creating a narrow and sleek silhouette. Clothes don’t need to be tight but ideally they shouldn’t appear billowy/flowy either. Sharp pleating, structure, bold geometric patterns, heavier and stiffer materials, shoulder pads, long unbroken vertical line from head to toe, keeping a sleek hijab style (avoid too much fabric near the shoulders, keeping it close to the neck and below it), etc. Maggie Smith is a verified D, so maybe looking into her character in the Harry Potter movies can provide some inspo. If you want to wear a turtleneck with your hijab it’ll be easy to do here. Naturals can handle modesty guidelines the best. They do well with loose and flowy garments, even billowy. They can take chunky details. The overall head to toe should not feel constricting. Turtlenecks can look suffocating so it’s probably best to cover the neck with the actual scarf if desired (or wear a chunkier looking turtleneck). Soft naturals would maybe use silk, or incorporate more yin influence, like large floral prints or something like that. Classics need simplicity. They can’t handle a lot of volume but dramatic looks are severe or too bold. Similar rules to the dramatic but soften things up a bit. Polished but not too sleek. They could do chiffon. Other than simplicity I find this type hard to describe in these terms. Think of the middle ground between dramatic and romantic. Gamines need to break their vertical line. Create staccato. Abayas need a lot more thought because they thrive in separates. To accommodate petite they can have tapering at the wrists. Instead of tapering at the ankles, I would try to have garments hover above the shoes so they don’t overwhelm the person. Crew socks could come in handy. Also, cropped jackets! A jacket that goes above your hips will help to accommodate petite. They can also do turtlenecks. The hijab style should feel crisp, so probably no chiffon. This and a good use of separates should help a hijabi gamine. Gamines also do well with lots of busy detail such as contrasting buttons and perky/quirky patterns, so take advantage of that. They can use some stiff materials too. The actual hijab covering the chest can dampen a gamine’s spunk (too much fabric), so make sure whatever top you are wearing completely obscures your chest so that your hijab can just cover your face and neck. I think the traditional Turkish hijab style would be very elegant on a gamine. Even though you’re covering up head to toe, avoid the impression of “too much fabric”. Go for “precise amount of fabric” instead. That’s key for gamines. Romantics need to rely on yin detail the most since showing off curves is off the table. They can borrow from naturals. Soft, round shapes like bows and ruffles as opposed to straight harsh lines. The hijabs also look soft and round, not sleek or crisp. Chiffon is great, as is any soft light fabric. Maybe avoid geometric patterns so that you can express your yin.
@@shxfvq Omg thank you so much for taking time to write this. I wanted to know how will the kibbe body types and hijab dress code effect what you wear. That was really helpful. Thank you so much 😊
Nice video. Do you have examples of short women who are not delicate? It may be hard because women with that mix probably don't end up in film or television. I am only 5 feet tall, but not delicate nor have petite bone structure. I have width in my bones. I used to wear men's watches because they fit better. I think I am a mix of natural and gamine which I know may not be a thing but there it is. 😀
woah. I dont know what it is about this specific video but suddenly your explanation and theatrical romantics started to make me feel like thats what I am. I didnt think so before because of other celebrities you have mentioned and im fat so it makes it hard to compare I know you said it's rare but it feels it matches up for me 🤔
WTF is Kibbe? My problem isn't finding my body type.. my problem is finding manufacturers that actually cater clothes to my 4'10" frame. Even if I'm a "romantic", a "romantic" dress that's 2 sizes too big and cut with the waistline too low for my body just simply isn't going to fit or look good.
What in the world do you mean when you say the word “Sharp”? I keep hearing you say that, but I cannot for the life of me visualize what you’re talking about in terms of body shape.
Hi, love your work, would like to see a video on why some classic styles don’t work on x body type. I never had a wrap dress before and I believe I’m a flamboyant natural autumn colouring and I saw this chocolate brown satin wrap dress and had to try. 😅 it looked like a bath robe, not even a satin/silk bathroom, like a chunky terry cloth one. I just don’t understand how something so soft and waist emphasizing looked so heavy and bag like on me.
Interesting how here in egypt most people, both men and women are romantics and theatrical romantics with gamines coming second and larger types are quite uncommon here
Are you supposed to keep ethnicity in mind when typing? I think so, but I’m not positive. Defining tall/short, wide/narrow by what would be average for your ethnicity.
Are soft dramatics taller theatrical romantics because I feel like I look amazing in every recommended TR style if the clothes were accommodated for my vertical. I’m 178cm so I’m quite tall, in photos and irl I often appear smaller than I am so my vertical doesn’t seem to be too crazy but ofc im not TR at that height. I landed on being a soft dramatic as i am not at all wide and have long sharp bones but I am also pretty curvy especially on the hips and thighs. Def need to accommodate that, I am very drowned by natural lines. So SD Are the closest I get for my height but the lines I wear most are longer versions of TR and they look stunning.
Thank you!!!🎉🎉🎉 at last I could understand! I’m a classic! Petite, not vertical at all, wide frame, big bust and rounded. The problem is that I don’t like to show my breasts. I mean I’m always trying to disguise them wearing scarves and high rise neck (or collars) always hiding my breasts.
what about soft natural i feel like a tina turner gamine leaning toward natural and i am just more confuse about how to dress. one thing i think people don't talk about flamboyent gamine yang can go sharp or wide twiggy and audrey hepburn are more dramatic undercurrent while lad gaga or tessa thompson are natural.
I love your videos, Ellie-Jean, thank you! I have been trying to determine my body type, and I was thinking at first I leaned more soft-gamine, but upon deeper consideration, I think I am a soft natural. The biggest reason being the small, narrow bones required to be a gamine. Never in my life has anyone ever thought me smaller than I am (5'4") or considered me petite even though I'm not terribly tall. I've never been called small boned , ever. Just interesting. This video helped me confirm that a bit more when you went through the petite types.
i love how i'm everthing i don't think is pretty on others haha ( not saying they're ugly, but we all got prefrence and our own sense of what is pretty) but maybe that is just the same as people with curls wanting straight hair, and people with straight hair wanting curls. your videos made me realise that... and also the fact that clothes do a lot to us
I went through such a ‘journey’ myself and while I still enjoy the things on others I have come to like ‘my things’ as well. And as one with wavy hair and falling in the middle of curly and straight I kinda envy both 😂
As a true romantic, I know for sure I'm not a petite lol. I am super short but actually quite wide and luscious haha, def don't look good in "petite clothes"
I am 5 ft tall with a soft but balanced body type. I *think* i am soft classic. But, despite being extremely short, i never come across as "little" and people actually think i am a couple inches taller than i really am! Am i petite as per Kibbe definition?
Can you do a video maybe more in depth on the Theatrical Romantic? I think it would help all those gals who got TR when they took the Kibbe test (I being one of those gals too lol)
I wouldn't say flamboyant gamines are petites. They have really long bones more than often (think Audrey Hepburn, Penelope Cruz etc,). Kibbe himself says a flamboyant gamine will not have a delicate bone structure,
Loved the video! I still find pretty hart to understand wat's flattering on me honestly. I'm 5'1, but I do have broad shoulders and a bigger bust; I feel like I also have some features in the face that are too strong to be in harmony with softer shapes. I don't know how to approach finding the right balance :\
I'm petite and curvy and just think my bone structure is too small to be romantic and my shoulders a bit too sharp. Definitely more along the lines of Salma than Mila although I don't have much in the way of a butt. Either way, I'm 100% sure I'm not gamine so I'm still tossing up between R and TR and leaning TR since they do exist. I remember one of my small friends at uni looking at me one day and asking how someone so skinny could have such big boobs. My mother's side of the family is full of petite, curvy women. I just wish I could have understood this better when I was younger, of course, we didn't have TH-cam back in those days.
@@elliejeanroyden Sure someone might lean one way or the other but its still useful to have the middle range as an option. My mother is soft classic and I'm definitely sharper and longer than her, but one of my sisters is dramatic classic and in comparison to her I look small and much less dramatic (and she is 8 years younger!). Yes, maybe I lean a little dramatic but the pure classic category just fits so much better.
I’ve been following you for a while and your tips have helped me ! From what I can comprehend & if I’m following your tips correctly: I believe I am Romantic Body type & I’m 5’1-5’2 . Im still trying to figure this out & colors that suit me well… I’m fair skin but have some pink undertones in me …( don’t judge… I’m so new at all this !!)
I think i’m a SN but i’m only 5 feet tall. Is this possible? My shoulders are my broadest part and i have always felt too broad for the petite section even tho the lengths fit me.
Yes! Not all short people have a short vertical line, but SN is stated to have a moderate to short vertical line. There are no lower height limits in Kibbe, but I still think certain types are more likely than others (anything with a dominant vertical). So SN is totally possible!
This is so helpful! I've been adding version things to my wardrobe for petites, and now I see why I like but don't love them. They're more for gamines, so they work for my height but not my shape.
3:35 please can you explain how my eye can detect small rounded shoulders on kate winslet? Would you say she has double curve? I’m so confused coz her shoulders and overall frame look like SN to me. Also when kibbe changed selena gomez type I had been trying for years to train my eye to see what he sees in her frame- only to have that completly changed😩
I have done so much research and quizzes over a year and i think i can safely say that i am a theatrical romantic . I have also actually seen someone type someone with the exact same body as me as a TR too. Hadnt a clue that TR was rare or apparently desired so much 😂 personally i would prefer more to be a SD or a romantic type than a TR. I just accept who i am though and work with it.
Can you do a video on tall and very narrow body types? I'm 5'7 110 lbs and wear XXS. Because my bones and body are long and delicate, people often think I'm taller than I am and often call me petite. Not sure where I fit.
Sounds like you are likely a Dramatic in the Kibbe system! They can seem delicate in the way people usually use the word because of how narrow they are, but they are not "delicate" in the way Kibbe uses the term
I will say that sometimes I think using celebrity photos isn’t helpful since they are always wearing makeup and the photos are often retouched so it’s hard to actually see bone structure etc
I was wondering where they were are well. I'm guessing it's another one of those spots where Kibbe words don't have the same definition as they do in the vernacular. My friend is a SN and also petite - appears small, little, and youthful, but has broad shoulders and big hands and feet for her height. She needs to accommodate for width and curve but also her small size when she shops, which can be a struggle because traditional "petite" clothing in the vernacular sense often doesn't accommodate for Kibbe width.
This was soooo helpful! I’ve always been confused about my body type because I’m petite with curve. But with the mention of the bluntness in the jaw and angularity in the shoulders, I’m positive I’m a soft gamine now.
So much misinformation in this video... Kibbe's system is not about body typing but a styling system ! There are no body types but Image IDs. It's about how clothes react on the body, not the shape of the body. FG fashion is associated with the 20's, not the 60's SG have generally double curve, rarely curve + vertical. TR don't have vertical ! They have double curve + petite ! Never vertical ! Because vertical cancel double curve. Having double curve means that you have a curve on top and a curve on bottom. But if you have a vertical somewhere, then there is no curve, so no double curve isn't possible (maybe one curve + vertical, or just vertical), that's logical. You can only have double curve with petite, every other line cancel double curve. And TR don't have sharpness in their shoulder, they are rounded. The yang is in the narrowness of their frame. Yang isn't always large. It's true for blunt yang for the naturals, but sharp yang is narrow. Narrowness is a yang trait. And romantics can be wide. Last but not least, small detail of body parts (like the size of the hand) doesn't matter, it's the overall impression of the silhouette, how the clothes react and the essence that make an Image ID. That's why the test isn't used anymore as it focus too much on detail and lead to wrong ID. And I repeat, Kibbe's system isn't a body typing system.
Hi there! A lot of this information is super helpful to my viewers, thank you so much. I just wanted to clarify a couple of things. Firstly, I know kibbe likes the term Image ID, but most people understand what body type means and it’s much easier to communicate this way. I personally associate FG with the 60s, that’s my own personal opinion. As for the comments about the vertical and curve combinations, I got my information directly from Kibbe on Strictly Kibbe, there’s a chance he’s changed it over the last six months in which case I will adapt that in future videos, but I would like to see evidence of that before I do. I did not say that yang is always large, but that’s one of the things that can be considered a yang trait. I also would never base my Image ID on one detail like my hands, but I do think it’s a good example of what long bones means. I hope this clears up some of those points!
@@elliejeanroyden Hi ! I get that body type is more quickly understandable than "image ID" but I don't find it a good representation of the system. I mean, it's not based only on the shape of the body, but also the lines, the clothes and the essence. It's really a complete styling system and reducing it to just a body typing system doesn't sound fair... You're not the only one to associate FG with the 60's mod, everybody does it. No offense but at this point it's becoming a cliché. In my opinion, the 20's make more sense as an exemple for FG because the clothes were short, close fitted to the body and straight (+ short hair) while the mod fashion is wider with bigger shapes and pattern that can overwhelm FGs. It's the 1st time I hear that Kibbe said about TR having vertical... I'm also on SK and I have only seen that TR have double curve + petite. So I won't argue more on this and make some research in the groups ! Large is a complex subject because romantics can be wide while narrowness, the opposite of large, is also yang trait... So I'm afraid it can be misleading for some people, like thinking they are a yin ID because they are not large, while in reality they are more yang than they think (extremely frequent). I know your intentions are good but as a youtuber there is need to weight literally every words you say because there will *always* be someone who is going to interpret wrongly and believe that because they have small hands or something they are TR (an exemple I saw so many times that I stopped counting it !)
it took me a long time to realise but i am 100% a theatrical romantic!!! i even got my sibling to do the kibbe thing with me (they did mine, i did theirs) bc i was certain i couldnt be but i actually check every box and i do kinda look like salma hayek lol
hello! I have a question. How about an inverted triangle body, 5' 1, shoulders being the widest part, chest moderate size, short neck, square jawline, small waist, plump bottoms, chunky ankles, can you still classify that as petite? If so or not, what kibbe body type was that?
There are good examples of DC, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, taller classics. I admire and envy this style, very put together, timeless, expensive looking.
Hi Ellie Jean 🤗 I love your content and I’m really looking forward to your book! Can you please make a video about how to dress more casually as a romantic body type? I’m not the type of person to wear velvet & lace everyday, I’m more of a “tshirt+jeans” person (my style roots are Stone/Sun/Earth). I’m a petite person who is very rounded/Yin dominant, and I think I may have double curve, but a lot of the romantic fabric suggestions feel really disconnected from my personal style. I try to dress in my best lines with waist definition, and shorter hemlines but something still feels off. Any suggestions on how to blend these things? Thanks!! 🪨🌞🌎
I actually think she's TR, when you look at pictures of her at lower weights you can see the sharp narrow square shoulders. And she really looks amazing in small sharp detail!! She also seems to handle structure better than R's do, from my observation (like corset boning as an example). I think the higher lushness of R garments is ever so slightly overwhelming to her - as in her face gets lost, even though her body can make it work.
Hmmm Im not a FG Im going now with my First idea…5’4 tall and dry looking…long narrow face : ethereal essence if If í would put myself in a type: í would say Dramatic but smaller small Boned version of a dramatic 😅
You keep saying 10 Kibbe Body Types in all your videos, but always show the chart that has all 13 and everyone else says 13. You're always leaving out the three "true" shall we call them natural, classic and gamine and only showing the two others from each of those types - is there any particular reason?
Recently, Kibbe himself cut out the "true" types from his system. He has decided that no one actually is a "true" Classic, Natural, or Gamine. Someone will always lean one way or the other. She is following his system as he himself updates it.
Yeah essentially years ago kibbe got rid of true classic natural and gamine - a decision I agree with! I use the graphic because it’s the best one I have atm
Thank you Ellie Jean 🥰 I was wondering whether you would be able to do a video on this topic or consider this as a question for a Q&A - would you be able to compare soft naturals and romantics? I find it hard to differentiate the two even though they're supposed to be on the opposite sides of the spectrum...love your videos as always!
I have to go got to jump in the shower eat some breakfast and sleep .you have a great day and ill chat with you latter some time today. I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS I GOT TO GET DONE.lol danny
From what I understand you can apply this same system to men: think Benedict Cumberbatch vs Leonardo DiCaprio. Thinking about applying it to men can really help understanding the system as you're forced to look outside of "does she have boobs/hips or not?" and really understand things like double curve and bone structure properly. Would love to see Ellie do a video about that and type men cause it'd really help! ^^
There are websites that talk about kibbe for men. E.g Elvis/Leo Dicaprio are romantic, Johnny Depp/Zayn Malik are Theatrical Romantic, Daniel Radcliffe/Bruno Mars are soft gamine, Frank Sinatra is Flamboyant Gamine, Brad Pitt is soft Natural, Chris Hemsworth/Will Smith are Flamboyant Natural, Benedict Cumberbatch is Dramatic, John Travolta is Soft Dramatic, Paul Rudd is soft classic, Christian Bale is dramatic classic. And the same applies for male romantics who can be petite or not e.g George Michael/Elijah Wood who are petite romantic, and Colin Firth who is a non-petite romantic
I currently fit a flamboyant natural but I’m only 5ft 1”. So when at a low weight I certainly do look petite such as a flamboyant gamine (but without the typical gamine face type), but when at a heavier weight, I just look short and fit a flamboyant natural more 🫤
I took the test and found out I was theatrical romantic. I am sure about it because I am 1.65 cm with long legs and arms with narrow sharp shoulders and an “hourglass” shape. Thank you for your content its really helpful
Great video like always! Would you consider making a video with "basics" for the body types? I find it so hard to find t-shirts, button downs etc. because they are usually too boxy for my body, but wearing dresses everyday is not practical😭
This!
Great idea! X
yes! i have the same problem- the vast majority of shirts are so boxy on me! and being busty rly doesn't help the situation
I have the same issue! I work in a business consulting firm so i need to look professional but button downs are very boxy on me too. I also have the issue where the shirt either fits my curves well but gaps at the bust 🙄 the alternative is to wear shirts that have enough "give" for my bust but then the bottom part is so shapeless and huge! And makes me look frumpy.
What i now do is wear button downs in softer materials. Think chiffons, satins, silks or even soft cottons rather than stiffer cottons or linens. I buy them in a size that has enough bust room. And i always, always tuck them into my pants. This small adjustment makes me appear professional while also honouring my lines (waist emphasis etc)
My go-to casual look is a flowy shirt or blouse (not baggy) with jeans or casual pants, rather than a t-shirt. And again, tucked in...a bit loosely tucked is fine
I love how you drive home the point that no “body type” is preferred. The idea is to find yours and dress it to make it look the best.
People are so judgmental about looks but claim they are about body positivity
there is a most desirable shape, you cant deny it. To deny is to say there is no metric for beauty
@@oooh19 Saying there is an ideal body type isnt judgemental. Ppl who dont have it will of course feel "judged". You can be positive and realistic. There will always be an ideal. That has nothing to do with body positivity.
I love to see analyses of actors that are purposefully put in clothes that don't suit them. I learn so much from the reasoning why it looks off and the comparisons of course.
Yes, the psychological set up of that is fascinating. And so many people accidentally do this in real life. I also would love for her to discuss a specific style such as preppy old money and the results when you put it on each body type. This is so important because many of these styles tend to stick around and then forever keep coming in and out of style.
Melissa looks truly exquisite. Always seen her in the yelling buxomy small woman role.
EDIT: a video suggestion here. Maybe you could talk about differences body types of the actresses that have protayed Marilyn Monroe and Marilyn herself. Just for educational purposes to see Romantic style on different body types.
That's such a good idea. I see a lot of women who are not romantics portray her, and it always seems off.
AlyArt did exactly that video.
Exactly what I was about to say
One thing particularly tricky with TR is fabric thickness. In general even if there is a flowy or draping design a thick fabric often is too much. I think this is because it interferes with the delicate bones and small curves and makes us look blocky. So anyone who is TR when shopping remember thinner fabrics are much more likely to look excellent. You can work around this if an item is structurally curvy like a qipao, but so many items just aren't designed that way.
I used to think I was SG and never felt so weird and kinda frumpy even though I liked the style. When I started dressing for a more lush, romantic type everything clicked perfectly. Sometimes you really gotta try styles to know your type. It also helps if your partner can point out that you have a very similar body types to celebs who are already typed
Same thing happend to me. I thought I was a SG but I never felt quite right in SG lines as they were too compact and made me feel large and stumpy. Romantic lines look the best on me, but I have found that my face leans more SG, which can be awkward to accommodate sometimes.
Same here. I thought I was SG for quite of time.
This is so helpful! I'm a Romantic and am 4'11, but have always felt weighed down when wearing clothes that fit traditional petite styling tips- long cardigans, long pants + boots/heels. Now I know why. I feel much more myself in ankle-length pants and cropped cardigans.
I'm a 4'11'' Romantic too!!!!!!! Twinsies!
I have never heard a petite given advice to wear long cardigans! Wow! I’m 5’2” and was always told to fit to my scale. But I admit I had not tried ankle pants until I discovered Kibbe.
@@stephanien6237 yeah, I've been told it makes you look taller because it "elongates" you- especially if you wear a monochromatic look. I just feel heavy in them.
Yeah, I never understood why the standard style advice you hear never worked for me. Until I found kibbe, and it all made sense. I'm a 4'9" TR.
I’m the same height and feel the same.🤍
I love that you keep the little moments like saying "twelve body types" instead of ten. 😊 Makes the videos feel more relatable.
Glad you like that! ♥️
Thank youuu for this video! You help me further understand my body type and how to dress for petite people. I'm a Romantic body type and only 4'11 in height with an hourglass shape body. I know that flowy dresses and skirts look good my body buttt it is sooo hard for me to wear casual clothes. Casual clothes or basics makes me look boxy and bulky. Hope you can make a video on this bcs it would help me a lot. Thanks again for this video❤
I think I am a romantic too and what works well for me is wearing a very form fitting pair of pants, tights or leggings. When the bottom is super form fitted, the top can be a bit more loose. It should have waist emphasis or be cropped though. A french tuck can help with that. One of my winter favorites for maximum comfort is wearing a short knit dress with tights or leggings.
I'm pretty sure I'm a romantic and the thing that has made the biggest difference in my casual clothes has been tucking in my t-shirts weirdly enough. I wear a lot of high rise jeans (the closer to my natural waist the better) and then I tuck my t-shirt and it helps to show my figure. Also, if it's a looser shirt I let it blouse out a bit to create a draping effect and that seems to really work. You can also take inspiration from a lot of 50s vintage, pinup, and rockabilly casual outfits since a lot of those silhouettes seem to work really well for romantics.
I’m recovering from several eating disorders and am weight-restored and have severe body dysmorphia. Your videos are a Godsend 😭 I’ve never known much about style or my own style and type but I’ve always known that I want to feel comfortable and look good in my clothes. Thank you so much for this and for the way you describe things 💗💗 definitely saving up for a consultation. I love you and your page 🥺💓💓
Thank you so much this is so wonderful to hear, wish you all the best ♥️
Loved this! :)) Also! I’d devour a video on TR vs SG if you made it. I’m torn - I’m small and curvy with broad shoulders. I know I have double curve and that’s all. Help? 😂
I'm 5'3/163cm and this video told me I'm actually not petite - mind officially blown!
I'm about 80% sure I'm a dramatic classic, and yeah dressing in any of the things you just described for the petite types would make me look super weird.
This channel has been so helpful for understanding why certain things look weird or straight-up bad on me, even if i might like the look of them on the hanger or in a photo, and knowing it's just How I'm Shaped and not some, like, moral failure.
Thanks Ellie-Jean, you're a gem!
Can you do a video on Kate Winslet type of romantics? Thank you for this this was great explanation. Still trying to figure out whether I'm romantic or soft natural :)
Same!😊
I am stuck between romantic or soft classic! As per the test i am SC, and i also feel i am more balanced hence that seems correct. The issue is that i am extremely short! (5 ft) although most people think i am taller by a couple inches (i look slightly taller than i am). But i dunno whether my height rules out SC...but i don't seem a pure R either 😭
@@minervarose7664 Exactly for me too, except my options seems to be soft classic or soft gamine. 5' tall, I don't look short in a photo by myself so I guess I have vertical going on and very proportioned, and my face is more classic or even natural - longish squarish with balanced features.
@@minervarose7664 Veronica Lake and Norma Shearer are both 4’11 and 5’1 soft classics! I don’t think your height would rule out SC at all.
@@shxfvq wow thanks for pointing that out!
I don‘t think i‘m petite but this was so interesting! You talking about the harempants and ankle length pants got me thinking: how about a video on different styles of pants/jeans. I don‘t think i‘ve seen a video of yours on this topic and it would be really helpful since i‘m so not a dress wearing kind of girl :D
Thank you!! I took the test and did get theatrical Romantic , which seems for the most part accurate for me. I’m 4’11 with an hourglass figure , and sometimes it’s hard to find clothes that fit me properly so these videos help immensely 😊
Can you do a video explaining kibbe terms vs. what we conventionally know them as?
For example: explain kibble’s definition of profits, curve, vertical, etc.
I feel like I mostly know what these terms mean specifically in kibbe, but I feel like I need clearer definitions and comparisons.
This video helped me figure out my type since I'm petite!!! People always wanted to put me in soft or flowy things since I'm "cute" but I always look a million times better in structured! TY!! Also, using your hand structure to diagnose your body type would be brilliant!
Being tall (5'7 or above), but described as 'delicate' and narrow bones usually means Dramatic! This personally helped me a lot. I look a bit like a Flamboyant Gamine in certain features but I'm too tall, so I try to use a mix of advice from both types, but more Dramatic!
Okay I am 5'6. My shoulders are wide,my breast are okay ,small waist and my hips are abit smaller than my shoulder length (if you get me,I can't explain well 😭).
My thighs are thicc too but my legs not so much.
What kind of features I will fall into?
@@SirenMeow probably Fn
The more I hear you talk about body types the more fascinated with my own I become, and I wonder if you can do more for plus-size women? Because, as a fat person commonly perceived as a woman, its really hard for me to differentiate whether I'm either a gamine, a TR, or a romantic, because I would argue that my fatness is the most visible thing about me, rather than any specific shapes, though I _do_ believe I have Kibbe petite and double curve.
I think I might be a TR, but I also think that might be wishful thinking based on my style roots (earth, fire, moon), considering the suggestions you give for them.
I am Theatrical Romantic and I describe myself as a tiny curvy person! And yes, a can be a very complicated type to dress. The type of fabrics very much matter and thin, flowy fabrics that are fitted but not tight are definitely the most flattering. But I very much struggle with finding the right clothing shape and materials for my body.
I have never had a hard time dressing back in the US, but I just moved to Paris and it seems that the fashion at the moment is more flattering towards dramatic, sharp lines and women with delicate, not-so-fleshy frames.
Meanwhile, I'm quite sure that I'm romantic: short, double curve with big bust aka the total opposite of the ideal in my current city.
I went shopping and almost all the shirts and dresses I found were straight up and down with no curve accommodation and the fabric is so weighty. I need help lol will definitely hire your services soon.
I have the same problem here in Denmark. The FN valkyrie and SN cool girl styles are everywhere and I can hardly find anything in regular stores which work for me 😅
Naturally (no pun intended lol) I went for vintage styles
Question for Romantics -- in the winter, I feel like a lot of my outfits make me look confined and bulky. Because, higher necklines and thicker fabrics -- to stay warm. I have a couple coats that are pre-Kibbe so they're not accommodating petite or curve very well -- it interesting how obvious this stuff feels now. -- I think a scarf that is a bit flowy or with some ruffle would be helpful -- any other ideas?
I have that problem too
Sometimes it’s like I can’t be warm and look good 😂
This winter I pretty much only wore short knit dresses with tights / leggings in a matching color. They are form hugging even when being made of a thicker material. If it is super cold, I add another sweater (but always check for the waist emphasis).
Sweater dresses and long/mid length coats where you tight at waist.
Can you be 5ft and still be soft natural? I am from an ethnicity who are typically shorter in general than western ethnicities. But I feel I look better in soft natural lines than gamine lines. I am confused!
I'm a huge 60s fashion lover and I've been wearing mod fashion for over 2 years. I find many mod staples such as geometric shapes and loose/straight waist cuts don't flatter my romantic body, though it looks great on flamboyant gamines. Tips on how I can wear more classic mod style and not look "bulky"?
have you tried not being fat?
I’m 4’10 and will forever be confused if I’m soft gamine or theatrical romantic
To me soft gamines look better in geometric patterns and tr better in small floral prints. Plaid is too common and I like to think about vertical or diagonal stripes and triangle patterns
Same! I'm 4'12/152 cm and torn between SG and TR...
I think it's best to look for both of the styles, and keep what you like :D
I'm 5' tall and feel like I am more of a Soft Natural with some gamine essence. Anything too detailed looks like I'm trying to hard. I'm short but not delicate. I am very solid, busty, and compact, width in my bone structure.
@@KristinaDMoore you’re two inches taller than me but I’m also “solid and busty lol” maybe I should be looking at SN. Thanks for this…
I’m a Flamboyant Gamine and I never thought of myself as “petite” before I found Kibbee. I’m 5’4” and I have sort of long arms and legs in comparison to my torso. My waist is short, so through Kibbee I learned that I look best in shirts that stop at my waist, but most shirts are typically long nowadays. Then it occurred to me… to shop in the “Petites” section 🤦🏽♀️. Problem solved! Lol now I have an easier time finding shirts that look good on my weird shape.
Cropped tops that hit right at or above my high waist work well! Maybe they would work for you too?
I'm only just now old enough to be properly typed, and I actually think that I will feel more secure in my type in a few more years, because I'm technically still losing a bit of baby fat and gaining what I call my "adult" weight. I've been studying Kibbe for a few years now, and could never figure out if I was SG, TR, or R. I feel like I'm a little too lean to be R, a little too little girlish to be either TR or R, too mature looking to be SG, but far too small to be any other type 🙄. So far, I look great in R and TR lines, so I'm going with that for now.
Ellie-Jean having a crisis saying 12 instead of 10 is for some reason so funny to me 😆
I don’t know if you’ve already discussed this or made a video just on this topic, but I would love to hear you talk about each types’ recommended lines and silhouettes and then go through the effects for all other types wearing those lines, if that makes sense.
I'm theatrical romantic and I adore dolman tops! The drappy sleeves with the rooshed waist... only "t-shirt" that looks right on me.
It's funny, because my family, who are all much taller and bigger boned, have always referred to me as being like a little doll. I'm not just shorter, everything is smaller (head, feet, hands), but I have really long legs for being 5'2 and sharp, narrow shoulders.
i'm a flamboyant gamine (as far as i know) and i love 60s fashion so i guess everything is good hahaha ❤ love your channel ellie, you're helping me slowly find my personal style and look my best as well as teaching me a lot
I lovveeee the FG examples she showed here. You're lucky! Haha
I love your channel! This clarified a lot for me ❤️ Can you make something similar for width/Natural/SN toe that isn’t just the old “wear boho style”?
Hey Ellie, I'm not sure you read these comments. But just incase - I have question. What would you say is the defining difference between theratical romantic types and simply just romantic? Would it be the narrow shoulders? Thank you xx
Me, a 5'10 woman, definitely not petite in any way: aaaah.... interesting...
I really relate to the clothing ideas for TR, the cinched edges. That has always been something that looks great on me. I feel pure R is a little too froofy on me, too soft not ornate enough, but every single time I post photos of myself to ask people in the Kibbe community they almost always say pure R, and it seems that the reason they give is that my hips are not super round and my waist is not extremely narrow but I do look small and curved still very noticeably. I am currently about 25 pounds overweight but it's well hidden because my bones are small so 8t just looks like I'm normal size. Still, very boneless looking. However, I see many other ladies who have very large hips and disproportionately small top half being told they are TR which always gets me because that's not double curve is it?? I guess it really is true, in my opinion, that TR is very misunderstood and most people don't know what a TR looks like. I have been "professionally " typed many times because I love getting the analysises done, it's so fun to read, and every time I've gotten TR because I send a ton of photos at different weights, and only got R once, but still whenever I share my results in the Kibbe community it's like no one ever wants to let me be recognized as TR, despite that those details and clothes look best on me and I am petite. I love Mila as an example of TR because the stereotype people have of these large hips for TR just needs to go.
Amazing video! Can you make a video of suggestions for each kibbe body type for those who wear hijab or modestly. ❤
I think once hijab and it’s associated dress code is brought into play, it becomes less about accommodations/honoring the silhouette (because for example, abayas typically have width + vertical. Petite + curve will be impossible and defeat its purpose) due to fixed dress code (e.g. romantics are encouraged to show off curves). There will be more emphasis on details (hijab style, accessories, shapes, fabric type/weight in terms of both clothes and hijab, patterns) to express one’s yin-yang balance. Actual accommodations could still be possible depending on how closely someone observes hijab guidelines.
Dramatics (and dramatic family) do well creating a narrow and sleek silhouette. Clothes don’t need to be tight but ideally they shouldn’t appear billowy/flowy either. Sharp pleating, structure, bold geometric patterns, heavier and stiffer materials, shoulder pads, long unbroken vertical line from head to toe, keeping a sleek hijab style (avoid too much fabric near the shoulders, keeping it close to the neck and below it), etc. Maggie Smith is a verified D, so maybe looking into her character in the Harry Potter movies can provide some inspo. If you want to wear a turtleneck with your hijab it’ll be easy to do here.
Naturals can handle modesty guidelines the best. They do well with loose and flowy garments, even billowy. They can take chunky details. The overall head to toe should not feel constricting. Turtlenecks can look suffocating so it’s probably best to cover the neck with the actual scarf if desired (or wear a chunkier looking turtleneck). Soft naturals would maybe use silk, or incorporate more yin influence, like large floral prints or something like that.
Classics need simplicity. They can’t handle a lot of volume but dramatic looks are severe or too bold. Similar rules to the dramatic but soften things up a bit. Polished but not too sleek. They could do chiffon. Other than simplicity I find this type hard to describe in these terms. Think of the middle ground between dramatic and romantic.
Gamines need to break their vertical line. Create staccato. Abayas need a lot more thought because they thrive in separates. To accommodate petite they can have tapering at the wrists. Instead of tapering at the ankles, I would try to have garments hover above the shoes so they don’t overwhelm the person. Crew socks could come in handy. Also, cropped jackets! A jacket that goes above your hips will help to accommodate petite. They can also do turtlenecks. The hijab style should feel crisp, so probably no chiffon. This and a good use of separates should help a hijabi gamine. Gamines also do well with lots of busy detail such as contrasting buttons and perky/quirky patterns, so take advantage of that. They can use some stiff materials too.
The actual hijab covering the chest can dampen a gamine’s spunk (too much fabric), so make sure whatever top you are wearing completely obscures your chest so that your hijab can just cover your face and neck. I think the traditional Turkish hijab style would be very elegant on a gamine. Even though you’re covering up head to toe, avoid the impression of “too much fabric”. Go for “precise amount of fabric” instead. That’s key for gamines.
Romantics need to rely on yin detail the most since showing off curves is off the table. They can borrow from naturals. Soft, round shapes like bows and ruffles as opposed to straight harsh lines. The hijabs also look soft and round, not sleek or crisp. Chiffon is great, as is any soft light fabric. Maybe avoid geometric patterns so that you can express your yin.
@@shxfvq Omg thank you so much for taking time to write this. I wanted to know how will the kibbe body types and hijab dress code effect what you wear. That was really helpful. Thank you so much 😊
Nice video. Do you have examples of short women who are not delicate? It may be hard because women with that mix probably don't end up in film or television. I am only 5 feet tall, but not delicate nor have petite bone structure. I have width in my bones. I used to wear men's watches because they fit better. I think I am a mix of natural and gamine which I know may not be a thing but there it is. 😀
woah. I dont know what it is about this specific video but suddenly your explanation and theatrical romantics started to make me feel like thats what I am. I didnt think so before because of other celebrities you have mentioned and im fat so it makes it hard to compare I know you said it's rare but it feels it matches up for me 🤔
WTF is Kibbe? My problem isn't finding my body type.. my problem is finding manufacturers that actually cater clothes to my 4'10" frame. Even if I'm a "romantic", a "romantic" dress that's 2 sizes too big and cut with the waistline too low for my body just simply isn't going to fit or look good.
What in the world do you mean when you say the word “Sharp”? I keep hearing you say that, but I cannot for the life of me visualize what you’re talking about in terms of body shape.
I am short, curvy, and I like to dress modestly. The struggle is real 😂
Hi, love your work, would like to see a video on why some classic styles don’t work on x body type. I never had a wrap dress before and I believe I’m a flamboyant natural autumn colouring and I saw this chocolate brown satin wrap dress and had to try. 😅 it looked like a bath robe, not even a satin/silk bathroom, like a chunky terry cloth one. I just don’t understand how something so soft and waist emphasizing looked so heavy and bag like on me.
Interesting how here in egypt most people, both men and women are romantics and theatrical romantics with gamines coming second and larger types are quite uncommon here
Are you supposed to keep ethnicity in mind when typing? I think so, but I’m not positive. Defining tall/short, wide/narrow by what would be average for your ethnicity.
Anyone know where her jumper/sweater is from? I couldn’t find it searching online or on her Instagram. Thanks
Not me over here, Petite AF with large oversized clothes 😅 I’m trying to upgrade my wardrobe this year ☺️
Are soft dramatics taller theatrical romantics because I feel like I look amazing in every recommended TR style if the clothes were accommodated for my vertical. I’m 178cm so I’m quite tall, in photos and irl I often appear smaller than I am so my vertical doesn’t seem to be too crazy but ofc im not TR at that height. I landed on being a soft dramatic as i am not at all wide and have long sharp bones but I am also pretty curvy especially on the hips and thighs. Def need to accommodate that, I am very drowned by natural lines. So SD Are the closest I get for my height but the lines I wear most are longer versions of TR and they look stunning.
Can you make video on Ariana Grande's body type. Though she's 5'3 she appears very short, I'm just confused.
Thank you!!!🎉🎉🎉 at last I could understand! I’m a classic! Petite, not vertical at all, wide frame, big bust and rounded. The problem is that I don’t like to show my breasts. I mean I’m always trying to disguise them wearing scarves and high rise neck (or collars) always hiding my breasts.
Ahh I requested this video and it was so helpful! Thank you!
what about soft natural i feel like a tina turner gamine leaning toward natural and i am just more confuse about how to dress. one thing i think people don't talk about flamboyent gamine yang can go sharp or wide twiggy and audrey hepburn are more dramatic undercurrent while lad gaga or tessa thompson are natural.
I love the topic of this one! So unique and truly helpful
I find this fascinating yet BEYOND confusing.
I’m 4’11 and I see myself as a classic yet…now after watching this I wonder if I’m a Romantic…🤔
I love your videos, Ellie-Jean, thank you! I have been trying to determine my body type, and I was thinking at first I leaned more soft-gamine, but upon deeper consideration, I think I am a soft natural. The biggest reason being the small, narrow bones required to be a gamine. Never in my life has anyone ever thought me smaller than I am (5'4") or considered me petite even though I'm not terribly tall. I've never been called small boned , ever. Just interesting. This video helped me confirm that a bit more when you went through the petite types.
i love how i'm everthing i don't think is pretty on others haha ( not saying they're ugly, but we all got prefrence and our own sense of what is pretty) but maybe that is just the same as people with curls wanting straight hair, and people with straight hair wanting curls. your videos made me realise that... and also the fact that clothes do a lot to us
I went through such a ‘journey’ myself and while I still enjoy the things on others I have come to like ‘my things’ as well.
And as one with wavy hair and falling in the middle of curly and straight I kinda envy both 😂
As a true romantic, I know for sure I'm not a petite lol. I am super short but actually quite wide and luscious haha, def don't look good in "petite clothes"
I am 5 ft tall with a soft but balanced body type. I *think* i am soft classic. But, despite being extremely short, i never come across as "little" and people actually think i am a couple inches taller than i really am! Am i petite as per Kibbe definition?
Can you do a video maybe more in depth on the Theatrical Romantic? I think it would help all those gals who got TR when they took the Kibbe test (I being one of those gals too lol)
I'm so far from petite, but I still really enjoy hearing you talk about every type and style! 😊
Me too.
I wouldn't say flamboyant gamines are petites. They have really long bones more than often (think Audrey Hepburn, Penelope Cruz etc,). Kibbe himself says a flamboyant gamine will not have a delicate bone structure,
Could you please do a video on "soft dramatic vs soft natural vs romantic" I'm just so confused! 😭
Loved the video! I still find pretty hart to understand wat's flattering on me honestly. I'm 5'1, but I do have broad shoulders and a bigger bust; I feel like I also have some features in the face that are too strong to be in harmony with softer shapes. I don't know how to approach finding the right balance :\
How can you dress for a romantic who really likes to dress more for comfort and classic type?
I'm petite and curvy and just think my bone structure is too small to be romantic and my shoulders a bit too sharp. Definitely more along the lines of Salma than Mila although I don't have much in the way of a butt. Either way, I'm 100% sure I'm not gamine so I'm still tossing up between R and TR and leaning TR since they do exist. I remember one of my small friends at uni looking at me one day and asking how someone so skinny could have such big boobs. My mother's side of the family is full of petite, curvy women. I just wish I could have understood this better when I was younger, of course, we didn't have TH-cam back in those days.
Happy you said 12 body types. For us pure types it’s a bit annoying that our type suddenly went missing🙁
I don’t believe in pure types personally as kibbe doesnt - it makes sense, by simple maths you are going to lean more one way or another!
@@elliejeanroyden Sure someone might lean one way or the other but its still useful to have the middle range as an option. My mother is soft classic and I'm definitely sharper and longer than her, but one of my sisters is dramatic classic and in comparison to her I look small and much less dramatic (and she is 8 years younger!). Yes, maybe I lean a little dramatic but the pure classic category just fits so much better.
I’ve been following you for a while and your tips have helped me ! From what I can comprehend & if I’m following your tips correctly: I believe I am Romantic Body type & I’m 5’1-5’2 . Im still trying to figure this out & colors that suit me well… I’m fair skin but have some pink undertones in me …( don’t judge… I’m so new at all this !!)
I think i’m a SN but i’m only 5 feet tall. Is this possible? My shoulders are my broadest part and i have always felt too broad for the petite section even tho the lengths fit me.
Yes! Not all short people have a short vertical line, but SN is stated to have a moderate to short vertical line. There are no lower height limits in Kibbe, but I still think certain types are more likely than others (anything with a dominant vertical). So SN is totally possible!
@@shxfvq thank you!! ❤️❤️
This is so helpful! I've been adding version things to my wardrobe for petites, and now I see why I like but don't love them. They're more for gamines, so they work for my height but not my shape.
3:35 please can you explain how my eye can detect small rounded shoulders on kate winslet? Would you say she has double curve? I’m so confused coz her shoulders and overall frame look like SN to me. Also when kibbe changed selena gomez type I had been trying for years to train my eye to see what he sees in her frame- only to have that completly changed😩
Can a theatrical romantic have sloped shoulders? (Think very prominent trap "muscles", with and without working out)
I have done so much research and quizzes over a year and i think i can safely say that i am a theatrical romantic . I have also actually seen someone type someone with the exact same body as me as a TR too. Hadnt a clue that TR was rare or apparently desired so much 😂 personally i would prefer more to be a SD or a romantic type than a TR. I just accept who i am though and work with it.
Can you do a video on tall and very narrow body types? I'm 5'7 110 lbs and wear XXS. Because my bones and body are long and delicate, people often think I'm taller than I am and often call me petite. Not sure where I fit.
Sounds like you are likely a Dramatic in the Kibbe system! They can seem delicate in the way people usually use the word because of how narrow they are, but they are not "delicate" in the way Kibbe uses the term
I will say that sometimes I think using celebrity photos isn’t helpful since they are always wearing makeup and the photos are often retouched so it’s hard to actually see bone structure etc
Soft naturel also petite like shakira and scarlett johansson
I was wondering where they were are well. I'm guessing it's another one of those spots where Kibbe words don't have the same definition as they do in the vernacular. My friend is a SN and also petite - appears small, little, and youthful, but has broad shoulders and big hands and feet for her height. She needs to accommodate for width and curve but also her small size when she shops, which can be a struggle because traditional "petite" clothing in the vernacular sense often doesn't accommodate for Kibbe width.
@@vermiliongardens yes iven kat denings and Amy lee (evanessece?they are quite petite almost romantic
You cannot count IT'S THIRTEEN! THIRTEEEEEEEEEN!!!!
The more I watch your videos, the more confused I get about which body type I have 🤣
This was soooo helpful! I’ve always been confused about my body type because I’m petite with curve. But with the mention of the bluntness in the jaw and angularity in the shoulders, I’m positive I’m a soft gamine now.
Interesting topic as it definitely can be confusing! Also I thought it was 13 body types?
No only 10! True naturals, gamines and classics were gotten rid of by kibbe years ago ♥️
I'm soft gamine, which I discovered thanks to your videos. Thank you Ellie-Jean!!
So much misinformation in this video...
Kibbe's system is not about body typing but a styling system ! There are no body types but Image IDs. It's about how clothes react on the body, not the shape of the body.
FG fashion is associated with the 20's, not the 60's
SG have generally double curve, rarely curve + vertical.
TR don't have vertical ! They have double curve + petite ! Never vertical ! Because vertical cancel double curve. Having double curve means that you have a curve on top and a curve on bottom. But if you have a vertical somewhere, then there is no curve, so no double curve isn't possible (maybe one curve + vertical, or just vertical), that's logical. You can only have double curve with petite, every other line cancel double curve.
And TR don't have sharpness in their shoulder, they are rounded. The yang is in the narrowness of their frame.
Yang isn't always large. It's true for blunt yang for the naturals, but sharp yang is narrow. Narrowness is a yang trait. And romantics can be wide.
Last but not least, small detail of body parts (like the size of the hand) doesn't matter, it's the overall impression of the silhouette, how the clothes react and the essence that make an Image ID. That's why the test isn't used anymore as it focus too much on detail and lead to wrong ID. And I repeat, Kibbe's system isn't a body typing system.
Hi there! A lot of this information is super helpful to my viewers, thank you so much. I just wanted to clarify a couple of things. Firstly, I know kibbe likes the term Image ID, but most people understand what body type means and it’s much easier to communicate this way. I personally associate FG with the 60s, that’s my own personal opinion. As for the comments about the vertical and curve combinations, I got my information directly from Kibbe on Strictly Kibbe, there’s a chance he’s changed it over the last six months in which case I will adapt that in future videos, but I would like to see evidence of that before I do. I did not say that yang is always large, but that’s one of the things that can be considered a yang trait. I also would never base my Image ID on one detail like my hands, but I do think it’s a good example of what long bones means. I hope this clears up some of those points!
@@elliejeanroyden Hi ! I get that body type is more quickly understandable than "image ID" but I don't find it a good representation of the system. I mean, it's not based only on the shape of the body, but also the lines, the clothes and the essence. It's really a complete styling system and reducing it to just a body typing system doesn't sound fair...
You're not the only one to associate FG with the 60's mod, everybody does it. No offense but at this point it's becoming a cliché. In my opinion, the 20's make more sense as an exemple for FG because the clothes were short, close fitted to the body and straight (+ short hair) while the mod fashion is wider with bigger shapes and pattern that can overwhelm FGs.
It's the 1st time I hear that Kibbe said about TR having vertical... I'm also on SK and I have only seen that TR have double curve + petite. So I won't argue more on this and make some research in the groups !
Large is a complex subject because romantics can be wide while narrowness, the opposite of large, is also yang trait... So I'm afraid it can be misleading for some people, like thinking they are a yin ID because they are not large, while in reality they are more yang than they think (extremely frequent).
I know your intentions are good but as a youtuber there is need to weight literally every words you say because there will *always* be someone who is going to interpret wrongly and believe that because they have small hands or something they are TR (an exemple I saw so many times that I stopped counting it !)
Do theatrical romantics or romantics look good in high collars?
it took me a long time to realise but i am 100% a theatrical romantic!!! i even got my sibling to do the kibbe thing with me (they did mine, i did theirs) bc i was certain i couldnt be but i actually check every box and i do kinda look like salma hayek lol
hello! I have a question. How about an inverted triangle body, 5' 1, shoulders being the widest part, chest moderate size, short neck, square jawline, small waist, plump bottoms, chunky ankles, can you still classify that as petite? If so or not, what kibbe body type was that?
Please could you do a video on soft natural outfits, hair, makeup… thank you!
Please make a video about dramatic classic, it might be the hardest kibbe type of all.
There are good examples of DC, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, taller classics. I admire and envy this style, very put together, timeless, expensive looking.
@@istotatora84 well, I don't like her style much:/
This one was super helpful. I didn't quite understand my romantic lines until this example
Hi Ellie Jean 🤗 I love your content and I’m really looking forward to your book!
Can you please make a video about how to dress more casually as a romantic body type? I’m not the type of person to wear velvet & lace everyday, I’m more of a “tshirt+jeans” person (my style roots are Stone/Sun/Earth).
I’m a petite person who is very rounded/Yin dominant, and I think I may have double curve, but a lot of the romantic fabric suggestions feel really disconnected from my personal style. I try to dress in my best lines with waist definition, and shorter hemlines but something still feels off. Any suggestions on how to blend these things? Thanks!! 🪨🌞🌎
I actually think she's TR, when you look at pictures of her at lower weights you can see the sharp narrow square shoulders. And she really looks amazing in small sharp detail!! She also seems to handle structure better than R's do, from my observation (like corset boning as an example). I think the higher lushness of R garments is ever so slightly overwhelming to her - as in her face gets lost, even though her body can make it work.
Hmmm Im not a FG Im going now with my First idea…5’4 tall and dry looking…long narrow face : ethereal essence if If í would put myself in a type: í would say Dramatic but smaller small Boned version of a dramatic 😅
me, a flamboyant natural, watching this
I thought I was petite but I also have wide shoulders like narrow in most places except my cheekbones and shoulders. And I'm 5ft2
You keep saying 10 Kibbe Body Types in all your videos, but always show the chart that has all 13 and everyone else says 13. You're always leaving out the three "true" shall we call them natural, classic and gamine and only showing the two others from each of those types - is there any particular reason?
Recently, Kibbe himself cut out the "true" types from his system. He has decided that no one actually is a "true" Classic, Natural, or Gamine. Someone will always lean one way or the other. She is following his system as he himself updates it.
Yeah essentially years ago kibbe got rid of true classic natural and gamine - a decision I agree with! I use the graphic because it’s the best one I have atm
@@stephaniebateman2637 thank you!!
I’m 5’1”, with a 38D bra size and size 10 or 12 pants. Hourglass figure with “thunder thighs”. I suspect I’m a romantic body type.
Thank you Ellie Jean 🥰 I was wondering whether you would be able to do a video on this topic or consider this as a question for a Q&A - would you be able to compare soft naturals and romantics? I find it hard to differentiate the two even though they're supposed to be on the opposite sides of the spectrum...love your videos as always!
I have to go got to jump in the shower eat some breakfast and sleep .you have a great day and ill chat with you latter some time today. I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS I GOT TO GET DONE.lol danny
This video helped me a LOT as Soft Gamine. Thank you!
I just realized that I haven’t seen how the body typing applies to men. Do they have a similar system or the same?
From what I understand you can apply this same system to men: think Benedict Cumberbatch vs Leonardo DiCaprio. Thinking about applying it to men can really help understanding the system as you're forced to look outside of "does she have boobs/hips or not?" and really understand things like double curve and bone structure properly. Would love to see Ellie do a video about that and type men cause it'd really help! ^^
I've definitely seen her talk about men on this channel before.
There are websites that talk about kibbe for men. E.g Elvis/Leo Dicaprio are romantic, Johnny Depp/Zayn Malik are Theatrical Romantic, Daniel Radcliffe/Bruno Mars are soft gamine, Frank Sinatra is Flamboyant Gamine, Brad Pitt is soft Natural, Chris Hemsworth/Will Smith are Flamboyant Natural, Benedict Cumberbatch is Dramatic, John Travolta is Soft Dramatic, Paul Rudd is soft classic, Christian Bale is dramatic classic.
And the same applies for male romantics who can be petite or not e.g George Michael/Elijah Wood who are petite romantic, and Colin Firth who is a non-petite romantic
I currently fit a flamboyant natural but I’m only 5ft 1”. So when at a low weight I certainly do look petite such as a flamboyant gamine (but without the typical gamine face type), but when at a heavier weight, I just look short and fit a flamboyant natural more 🫤
Thank you for all your videos, so insightful! Desperately need a dramatic classic video, really hope in the works for this year😊
I took the test and found out I was theatrical romantic. I am sure about it because I am 1.65 cm with long legs and arms with narrow sharp shoulders and an “hourglass” shape. Thank you for your content its really helpful
Please make video About hair cuts..how long should be with different of body typ..what colour should be etc