I just got a PDP pro tactical with the high performance trigger from the factory…… suddenly my VP9 is not as good as I thought it was….ordered a Lazy Wolf performance trigger for the VP9….. will see if that helps the notchyness of the VP9
Your review was good. I happen to have both guns. The Walther is by far a better buy, about a couple hundred $$$. cheaper. The Walther trigger is better and if you're going to wear gloves the Walter has a bigger opening to accommodate the glove. The Walther slide serrations are much better to rack the slide. I purchased the HK years ago and it's been a very good gun but is showing it age. I'm looking for HK to upgrade or bring out a new gun in the near future. Striker fired gun improvements are moving very fast now with new models coming out all the time. I think the quality of these 2 guns are equal so the Walther is a better buy of coarse it a new model for Walther, they did a good job with it.
My vp9 tactical came with suppressor height sights. I also have the match but I think the ergonomics of hk can’t be beat. My buddy has the pdp and it just felt unfinished.
Great vid. I'm new to handguns. Recently bought a VP9 and about to order a PDP. His and hers - sort of anyway, just became empty nesters and replacing kids with guns, LOL.
@@Gruntreviews H&K has an outstanding record and notorious quality. I love their firearms. Wouldn't mind to own a VP, maybe one day, but mostly, I am a Walther, CZ and Canik fan 😎
Great comparison. Now that the VP9 tactical comes with a optics cut and 17-rd magazine and the PDP Pro comes with a threaded barrel and tall sights, it should be an easier comparison. I have the VP9T (old model) and still didn’t feel the need to upgrade or change to a PDP.
I bought the 4" compact which is still pretty big. The gun shoots amazingly smooth. Probably the most comfortable well designed grip of any gun out there right now. I absolutely love it. Incredibly accurate with the stock sights. Rear sight is adjustable. My favorite gun to shoot.
@@sixt3denied I see they make an SD Pro or something---not really sure I would want that threaded nipple coming out of the gun, but I do like the big fat mag well.
@@wjggmt1180 I agree. The big perk is the performance trigger. But the trigger is already so good I personally don't see the need to get the Pro version.
@@jasondavis1187 I believe the 2020 models comes optic ready... I bought the VP9 LE which is optic ready, includes 3 mags, and 3 dot tritium night sights.
Whenever they do the next James Bond film, I’m hoping they finally ditch the PPK and give him the PDP. I think it would be huge for Walther’s marketing to get that gun in the hands of a character that made their brand huge in the first place.
i would like to send my gun to lazy wold and have them set it up.. they are some of the best at it.. i like what they do with the slide lock and triggers... they test and make a great trigger even better... but it dont need anything out of the box.. why i love my hk. glock cant even buy a trigger thats better the the hk.
It seems strange to be comparing one gun out of the box, to another with several mods added. But you didn't seem to want to give the pdp much of a chance anyway.
Great review. 1st question, if you had to pick one pdp or vp9, which would it be? Overall which one do you like more? 2nd question. I hear the pdp is snappy, is it really that bad?
That's a tough one. I'd probably go PDP Pro (wasn't out when I made this video. I've got a range review up on the PDP, it is snappier than some. I'll be reviewing the PDP pro this year.
What are all the upgrades you put on this thing? Do you have a link to all the stuff? I really love the way you built it out. Great look and great functionality.
Look at the CZ P-09 and P-07. They come with decocker levers, and include in the case Safety levers that are easy for you to switch out. Decocker or Safety levers included for a reasonable price.
Both are fantastic pistols. My husband and I have a good size collection of German pistols. I'm a huge fan of the HK, then some days the Walther.... HK is going to be releasing a new sub compact pistol in 2024. Thank you for sharing your videos 🙏
That's a tough one. I started shooting USPSA with a p30L. I have a lot of nostalgia for hammer fired actions. That being said, even with a top end trigger job, the stock PDP trigger is better. I like the grip module better on the walther, but I do like the smaller slide on the p30. Price wise, the PDP is a few bucks less and is optics ready.
@@awokeone7997 I used the vp9 primarily for shooting USPSA. The consistency is definitely important for quick follow up shots. I like the fact that lobos retains all of the factory safeties. I would feel confident carrying in a duty pistol or for CCW.
There is a lot of focus today on a "good" trigger. The striker-fired *_Glock inspired_* trigger is neither good nor bad, it is just a different kind of trigger. Almost all modern guns have "good" 👍 triggers. So don't worry about them as in a gun fight your adrenaline will make your hands feel like flippers. If you practice/train with your gun to _learn_ the trigger you will hit anything well. Remember - it is not the gun, it is the man. FACT 1: most LEOs practice the minimum with their gun. Just enough to pass qualifications. FACT 2: most people shoot 🔫 between 120 to 200 shots a year. Think about it 🤔.
I was never a Glock fan myself for years but I really love the Gen 5 models. Gen 5 far surpasses the previous generation models in my opinion. Especially, when it comes to the grip too.
It's funny that they are on the 5th generation of the same pistol design. If any other handgun company were to make 5 generations of the same pistol people would think they are crazy. The fact is the Glock design even with the 5th generation is basically the same ancient design Gaston came up with in the 80's with no real innovation other than maybe the optic cut.
I just got a PDP full size, I already have a Vp9, I have to honestly admit... The Vp9 is now the "second best striker fired trigger" on the market.
Walther really got the trigger right on the PDP. I wish I could blend the two of them together.
@@Gruntreviews the Vp9 is awesome, no doubt, but the PDP just beats it. Unbelievable, and great video bud!!
@@bruce5168 thank you for the kind words. We appreciate it!
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I just got a PDP pro tactical with the high performance trigger from the factory…… suddenly my VP9 is not as good as I thought it was….ordered a Lazy Wolf performance trigger for the VP9….. will see if that helps the notchyness of the VP9
Your review was good. I happen to have both guns. The Walther is by far a better buy, about a couple hundred $$$. cheaper. The Walther trigger is better and if you're going to wear gloves the Walter has a bigger opening to accommodate the glove. The Walther slide serrations are much better to rack the slide. I purchased the HK years ago and it's been a very good gun but is showing it age. I'm looking for HK to upgrade or bring out a new gun in the near future. Striker fired gun improvements are moving very fast now with new models coming out all the time. I think the quality of these 2 guns are equal so the Walther is a better buy of coarse it a new model for Walther, they did a good job with it.
That's a good synopsis. I too hope the VP9 gets a revamp or something new comes out of HK.
My vp9 tactical came with suppressor height sights. I also have the match but I think the ergonomics of hk can’t be beat. My buddy has the pdp and it just felt unfinished.
Walthers are fudd guns.
Great vid. I'm new to handguns. Recently bought a VP9 and about to order a PDP. His and hers - sort of anyway, just became empty nesters and replacing kids with guns, LOL.
I've been told guns are a bit less expensive
Guns never borrow your car and forget to put gas in.
Never too late. Thankfully I got into guns before my kids because the third is on the way, and I don't get to shoot near as much lol
I like both of them. I might buy both. Germans make good looking pistols.
The Germans definition do build a nice firearm
Both are excellent combat handguns. I like the H&K very much, but my choice is the Walther PDP.
I was an HK guy forever, but i've become a lot more open in recent years to other options.
@@Gruntreviews H&K has an outstanding record and notorious quality. I love their firearms. Wouldn't mind to own a VP, maybe one day, but mostly, I am a Walther, CZ and Canik fan 😎
I love the VP9, just wish it would've gotten more of an update than just an optics cut.
@@Gruntreviews Walther, CZ and Canik, all the way!
Love my VP9..if I didn't already have the P10C which I also love, Id consider the PDP.
All three are solid options. It almost makes it hard to choose.
P-10C is a really great gun, kinda seems like it flew under the radar though
@@noble6466 yeah it does. That’s CZ for you. Not much marketing in the US. And typically unless you’re a gun person, you don’t know about them
How would you rank the 3? I’ve been looking at the CZ P10-c, but found some good deals on the VP9 and PDP
Vp9, PDP, P10c
Just got the PDP and love it! Had a PPQ M2, which was nice, but not as nice as the PDP!! Besides, HKs are overpriced.
just about anything out of europe is overpriced, thats the downside to german precision
I've noticed this too, HK is overpriced, as I tend not to buy American made pistols.
And the reset on the PDP is ridiculous!!!! Very very short
Indeed. Walter did a fantastic job with the trigger
Walther compact for the win!!
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The PDP is surprisingly lite too!!
indeed
Great comparison.
Now that the VP9 tactical comes with a optics cut and 17-rd magazine and the PDP Pro comes with a threaded barrel and tall sights, it should be an easier comparison.
I have the VP9T (old model) and still didn’t feel the need to upgrade or change to a PDP.
Indeed. It's taken them quite a while, but it's nice to see manufacturers adapting to the industry.
I have 3 PDP love all of them
I'll be reviewing the full size pro here in the coming weeks.
And the HK trigger is better then a lot of them out there, but the PDP beats it by a close margin.
I would have to agree
My HK Tactical came with three seventeen round magazines. I ordered a twenty-four rounder from HK Parts just for good measure though.
Yup, the new ones are all getting the 17rd.
Walther PDP is my next firearm. Just not sure which size to get it in. Thanks for the great video!
My pleasure
Me neither. I suppose I will error on the side of concealment. I have held one, its a real chunky monkey.
I bought the 4" compact which is still pretty big. The gun shoots amazingly smooth. Probably the most comfortable well designed grip of any gun out there right now. I absolutely love it. Incredibly accurate with the stock sights. Rear sight is adjustable. My favorite gun to shoot.
@@sixt3denied I see they make an SD Pro or something---not really sure I would want that threaded nipple coming out of the gun, but I do like the big fat mag well.
@@wjggmt1180 I agree. The big perk is the performance trigger. But the trigger is already so good I personally don't see the need to get the Pro version.
Pretty clear which your preference is.
We all have preferences. I will say the new PDP pro is a huge step up. I may need to do a follow up.
lol I just bought both of these toady except I bought the optics cut VP9
Good combo purchase. I've had my vp9 since they came out. May need to upgrade to the OR version at some point.
Where did you get an optical ready Vp9? I’m having trouble finding one !!
Jason Davis I bought them both at Bass Pro here in Branson. I've seen them on Gunbroker though .
@@jasondavis1187 I believe the 2020 models comes optic ready... I bought the VP9 LE which is optic ready, includes 3 mags, and 3 dot tritium night sights.
LOVE the pdp, my second favorite is my fn 509 mrd.
I've review the 509 edge, but have not shot the 509 mrd. I may have to pick one up.
Whenever they do the next James Bond film, I’m hoping they finally ditch the PPK and give him the PDP. I think it would be huge for Walther’s marketing to get that gun in the hands of a character that made their brand huge in the first place.
I hadn't thought about that, but that would definitely boost marketing.
Best review, covers everything
Thank you for the kind words
i have the hkvp9 and i dont think ill ever get rid of it.. really hard to beat it.
Vp9 is still a fantastic firearm, just getting a bit dated.
I have one and it’s smooth as fuck
Same here
i would like to send my gun to lazy wold and have them set it up.. they are some of the best at it.. i like what they do with the slide lock and triggers... they test and make a great trigger even better... but it dont need anything out of the box.. why i love my hk. glock cant even buy a trigger thats better the the hk.
I believe lazy wolf is the guy who used to work for gray guns that left to do his own thing.
It seems strange to be comparing one gun out of the box, to another with several mods added. But you didn't seem to want to give the pdp much of a chance anyway.
It's what I had laying around. I will say the new PDP pro is night and day better from the original.
I own tbe VP9 I would love to own the PDP as well!
That would be a good combo.
Good content!!!!
Thank you for the kind words
With an optic on it, you don't need the cocking ears. (And I'm an HK guy.)
The ears definitely aren't an absolute need, but they are nice on an irons only pistol.
Great review. 1st question, if you had to pick one pdp or vp9, which would it be? Overall which one do you like more? 2nd question. I hear the pdp is snappy, is it really that bad?
That's a tough one. I'd probably go PDP Pro (wasn't out when I made this video. I've got a range review up on the PDP, it is snappier than some. I'll be reviewing the PDP pro this year.
How can you do a Fair comparison when the VP9 has aftermarket upgrades? Comparisons should be stock vs stock.
That's why I left the trigger comparison out. That and the Magwell are the only changes. But I do agree and generally shoot for stock vs stock.
I have not try PDP yet but I would be really surprised if that mother lover gonna be better than my HK VP9……will see 🤔🤔🤔🤔
They're pretty dang close.
What are all the upgrades you put on this thing? Do you have a link to all the stuff? I really love the way you built it out. Great look and great functionality.
Truglo TFX sights, hk parts striker and back plate, lobos trigger, Taylor freelance magwell.
I’m curious about walthers barrel for pistol, is it a match grade barrel or a cold hammer forged polygonal
Polygonal rifling
@@Gruntreviews oh shit that’s really cool, funny how they don’t list it on their website which is weird to me
It's become the standard lately. Button rifling has fallen off a bit in recent years. There's advantages and disadvantages to both.
Do any of these models have any type of safeties?? Looking for first firearm
They have several safeties built in, but do not have an external thumb safety.
@@Gruntreviews thanks for the reply
My pleasure
Look at the CZ P-09 and P-07. They come with decocker levers, and include in the case Safety levers that are easy for you to switch out. Decocker or Safety levers included for a reasonable price.
Both are fantastic pistols. My husband and I have a good size collection of German pistols. I'm a huge fan of the HK, then some days the Walther....
HK is going to be releasing a new sub compact pistol in 2024. Thank you for sharing your videos 🙏
Thank you for the kind words. I've heard the HK rumors, I'll have to keep my eye out.
What is your source on H&K coming out with a mini SK .
Don't regurgitate rumours. 👎
Would you choose the P30 over the Walther PDP?
That's a tough one. I started shooting USPSA with a p30L. I have a lot of nostalgia for hammer fired actions. That being said, even with a top end trigger job, the stock PDP trigger is better. I like the grip module better on the walther, but I do like the smaller slide on the p30. Price wise, the PDP is a few bucks less and is optics ready.
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Is the Lobos trigger on the VP9 really a improvement or should I just keep the stock one?
It's not night and day, but it feels slightly smoother. I've noticed its easier to keep a consistent trigger rhythm with the lobos over stock.
@@Gruntreviews what area is the most important would you say?
@@awokeone7997 I used the vp9 primarily for shooting USPSA. The consistency is definitely important for quick follow up shots. I like the fact that lobos retains all of the factory safeties. I would feel confident carrying in a duty pistol or for CCW.
There is a lot of focus today on a "good" trigger. The striker-fired *_Glock inspired_* trigger is neither good nor bad, it is just a different kind of trigger.
Almost all modern guns have "good" 👍 triggers. So don't worry about them as in a gun fight your adrenaline will make your hands feel like flippers.
If you practice/train with your gun to _learn_ the trigger you will hit anything well.
Remember - it is not the gun, it is the man.
FACT 1: most LEOs practice the minimum with their gun. Just enough to pass qualifications.
FACT 2: most people shoot 🔫 between 120 to 200 shots a year.
Think about it 🤔.
Shut up glock fanboy
@@ambienceization You mad bro 😡 ?
Lo siento, mucho, you got triggered my man *ambienceization.*
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How bout throwing in a Canik?
I'll have to get my hands on one.
How do i get a threaded barrel for my vp9
Purchase one
Hey, at least he is not reviewing Glocks. Glocks are made by swamp people, for swamp people.
If glock ever came out with something truly new, I'd review it. It seems all they do is add and remove finger groves and call it new.
I was never a Glock fan myself for years but I really love the Gen 5 models. Gen 5 far surpasses the previous generation models in my opinion. Especially, when it comes to the grip too.
It's funny that they are on the 5th generation of the same pistol design. If any other handgun company were to make 5 generations of the same pistol people would think they are crazy. The fact is the Glock design even with the 5th generation is basically the same ancient design Gaston came up with in the 80's with no real innovation other than maybe the optic cut.
Those plastic cocking ears are cool till they fall off
I haven't experienced that, but it would definitely suck to lose one.
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Close, hk is cooler tho
I'd like to combine them into a hybrid
Notchiness. Wtf. It's the safety plunger
Indeed, the plunger is probably creating the notchy feeling.
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That HK setup makes a glock look like a work of art..🤮😆
If you like shooting a brick, glock is where it's at.
@@Gruntreviews i dont i love HK’s and walther’s i have both
@@tereztiago9133 the Germans can definitely build a fine firearm.
Haha Glocks are ugly as hell.