The Downfall of Dre McCray
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As a white woman in a relationship with a black man... Weaponizing the idea of calling the cops on him (which can ALREADY be very scary if you're a man being abused by a woman, knowing that the cops will likely see you as the abuser) is even more cruel and manipulative. He knew that he would be the one in MUCH more danger if cops showed up and she used that against him. That makes me so angry.
Dre is not white, but I’d call her “white passing” and you are completely correct.
There's audio of her telling a friend or someone about calling the cops and she mentions that one time they said they could arrest them both, but the last time she was mad because they didn't make him leave HIS computer there so she could print labels. That tells me she wasn't calling out of fear, but calling as a threat. Then was mad when she didn't get her way. This man lived in pure HELL.
@@UnicornWranglerRed oh yeah, I'm not meaning to make assumptions about her ethnicity, I should've been more clear - I actually phrased my first sentence that way because *I'm* a white woman in a relationship with a black man and I'm very protective over him when it comes to cops and the dangers racism may pose to him (and I think anyone should be aware of these things when it comes to their partner), so as soon as I heard that she would threaten calling the cops it stood out to me.
But you're exactly right, and the fact that she's white-passing could still play into "vulnerable white woman" stereotypes and have led to danger for Von. It's so disgusting when people weaponize systemic issues like racism against their partners.
@@brettneygibbs9047 that's so messed up. I'm so heartbroken for him and what she put him through.
@@maggiedk you're absolutely right.. she should be ashamed. 🤬
No one can truly love someone while benefiting off of using their oppression against them.
The thing I can’t get over is she screams how food is toxic and medicine is toxic… yet she has fake lashes on her eyes and acrylic nails on. No shame, I love my acrylics, but I’m aware that the chemicals and UV exposure can be harmful. It’s the hypocrisy for me
"My kid doesn't react well to sugar"
Why not babe? It's natural, it comes from a plant.
Yes!!! I feel this way with many mlm huns. They are non toxic this and that. They say this all while having all the stuff you mentioned above on. Crazy
@@ZoeAlleyne true though
Yep.. and people don’t realise how absorbent nails are, god knows what long term damage those chemicals can cause 🤡 but hey whatever floats ya boat
And enough makeup to pave a highway.
Without a crystal ball is disgusting. This is not the first time she’s way overstepped in a “true crime” case.
As a woman who recently had a total hysterectomy due to cysts, fibroids, and a myriad of other issues that were pre-cancerous I hate when people give the "it is because you eat this or you do this..." My doctor even said that it had NOTHING to do with my diet or exercise--that is was due to a number of factors that I DID NOT cause. Can diet and exercise give us health issues...ABSOLUTELY! There are many people who just get sick because of factors outside of their control. I know I did a ton of things to mitigate my issues but at the end of the day surgery was something that had to happen. :(
Well said. I have endometriosis and people tend to blame that on everything EXCEPT my genetics and bad luck. Diet and fitness helps my symptoms but I still needed 12 surgeries to get the disease under control. People blaming me for the condition is not helpful.
Wow, I hope you feel better soon🙏🏽 and I agree with you about Diet and exercise. We all are so different and require specific diets!
I had a friend suggest a special diet prior to my hysterectomy. Yeah, I don't think that's going to stop the craziness going on down there. Getting everything out also helped my mood a whole bunch.
Yes! Endometriosis, ovarian cysts, thyroid disease… umm I’ve tried everything under the sun EXCEPT to stop blaming MYSELF bc of believing bullshit lies implying my issues are due to my actions. God it’s good to let that shit go!
Yes! My mom had an entire ovary removed due to repeated ovarian cysts, tumors, and her risk of ovarian cancer. I had an ovarian cyst burst in the beginning of 2020. My sister (who has been vegan for 15+ years) had multiple ovarian cysts that burst and put her in the hospital within the past 5-10 years. According to Mrs. McCray, veganism should have prevented my sister’s cysts, yet it didn’t… hmmm almost like diet has no correlation to our genetic predisposition for ovarian cysts.
As an ex Jehovah’s Witness just wanted to add that even though she may have been disfellowshipped it doesn’t take away the heavy heavy indoctrination that has gone on you still mentally are a Jehovah’s Witness until you actively do the work and research to basically deprogram yourself . Love you for exposing this cult and all culty things ❤️
Yes!!!!! This!!!!
I have a very close friend of mine Who is also an exwitness and I agree with what you’re saying many things about that “religion“ are very very much cult like. I am so very happy that my friend after living her entire life in the church made the decision to get she and her family away from it 💖
@@Firewoman91 What makes this “religion“ very much on the cult like end are the facts that 1. they do not allow women who are being beaten by their spouses to leave (divorce) 2. they encourage you to disassociate with any family members that are not a part of this “religion“ my best friend of over 10 years is a former Jehovah’s Witness whose family is still elders in the “church“ and there are a lot of very patriarchal designed control tactics within this organization that make it very cult like.
@@Firewoman91 maybe in some areas they can but I’ve known quite a few witnesses in my 43 years of life and that’s not the case I cannot tell you how many women I’ve seen that had to run for their lives so I’ve done all the research I need to do but thank you ✌️💜😘
You enjoy your faith all you want I don’t knock anybody for their faith I call out the wrongs no matter what faith it is wrong is wrong right is right I don’t need a God to tell me that.
@@acapp5601 you have to give that person a pass. When told you aren’t supposed to read anything online about the religion or from ex JW because we are apostates that’s part of the programming. They take away critical thinking from a young age because they don’t want people to see the truth about them. I agree with you 💯 because it took me 15 years to even realize I needed to de program and felt guilty even to pray. Once I did the work on myself life has been great!
I think the worst thing about the popularity of true crime is that laypeople suddenly fancy themselves detectives and can’t distinguish reporting and speculation. I think you did a great job with this video.
I was waaiiitttingg for someone to talk about the jewelry and seizures! I’m right with youuuu! Thank you for covering this so responsibly and as factually as you can! Like you said, some of the coverage on this as home pulling my hair out 😰😭
Omg hey sherrilyn ❤️❤️❤️
Me too...same girl same. Im screaming at the screen wondering why. Now I'm not subbed to them and I tried watching a few videos just to see what they were saying, I even brought it up several times in a live, and was totally ignored. Needless to say, i quit watching them. Besides it really bothered me when people would come on the live and be like "I live in Tucson so if you need me to drive somewhere".......🤯ummm like how about no. How about you not do dangerous stuff. Geez maneez, people know no boundaries.🤦
Thank you!!!!
Its scary. I know someone who has grand mal seizures , not often but has had one in the past 10 years. It was related to stress. Having products near you that increases the occurrence of seizures while also living in such a stressful home. My heart goes out to the kids and his family.
Heyyyyy Sherrilyn!! Please do a video on this case too!!
This is exactly what we needed with our coffee this morning, am I right?
Exactly!
1 hour and 30 mins of beautiful entertainment while I work a slow shift!
No coffee for me til I leave and get to DD but yessssss 😍😆
dinner for me 🥴 i work 3rd/raveyard shift
@@reshster hope u get some rest after!❤
Around 50:45 she responded to a comment about someone having a gastric sleeve and quitting meat. I have a gastric sleeve too, and yes, sometimes meat (specially beef), is really hard for the stomacth to break down. After my surgery, I commented this to my nutricionist, and he mentioned that I could start reducing meat from my diet and see if I could adjust to a plant base diet, but he warned NOT TO QUIT MEAT COLD TURKEY. I didn't listen, i cut meat cold turkey because "Hey! I take vitamins and other plant based foods have protein too!"
After a little more than a week of doing that my body paralized from waist down. I went to the ER and did blood test analysis and came out that my B12 and hemoglobin were so low that my body was starting to shut down from waist down. I was terrified. I couldn't even get off of bed of my own because my legs wouldn't move, and even if someone helped me get up I would fall to the ground because my legs didn't have the strength to hold me up. I couldn't even brush my hair because my hands were starting to shut down too and brushes, spoons, pens, etc would fall off my hands. This happened on December 2020, and I started walking very slowly on my own again on late March 2021. Even to this day, I still have trouble when I want to run. DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE ANY MEDICAL TRAINING OR AREN'T PROFESSIONALS ON NUTRITION WHEN THEY TRY TO GIVE YOU A DIET OR NUTRITION ADVICE
She sells Paparazzi... I ask this with all seriousness: Are we sure she's not suffering from prolonged exposure to the heavy metals in the jewelry?
EDIT: Finally finished with the entire video. I can only say that it's so sad to see such a level of delusion on full display for the world. "We were made to live forever"? No, baby girl, we weren't. It's my hope that there may be a legal method for her husband's family to have her ability to make his medical decisions taken away from her. There's certainly enough evidence from her social media and the like to show that she is not of sound mind. I know we all have a good time poking fun at the huns, but this one just isn't funny anymore. It's appalling.
This is what I think every time I see her or someone mentions her.
Mad hatter disease
This is an interesting idea to ponder. I like it.
That is a very valid question and I’m curious too! Lead poisoning is real and we all know that jewelry has high levels in it
This is what I think is going on.
One thing I learned from Gabbie's case is that everyone wants to be next Don't F*ck with Cats group of people who solve a mystery. This society has become so obsessed with true crime stuff they are so desensitized to the fact that these are real people. It is gross and I hate it.
Yes!
It is very gross. I can see the appeal--I like mysteries too. But these are real people. Folks need other hobbies.
Yes, I saw a live stream lastnight with one of the TH-camrs she spoke of. She acknowledged his family was in the chat, then went on to describe his attempt at un aliving himself and how he was found. I was disgusted and left the live. They are so set on cracking the case and throwing theory after theory out there. The panel is hyping them up, the chat is hyping them up, no one stops to think these are people with real lives. There is a way to thoughtfully speak about these subjects without it just being sensationalized.
10000%!
@@whome9675 Yes I tried to watch some of the content but had to turn it off because of those same reasons. Throwing wild theory after theory out and focusing on things about people's past and their character that have nothing to do with the current situation. One creator is also trying to differentiate themselves from the other but they are essentially behaving the same way.
As soon as you said Without a Crystal Ball, I rolled my eyes so hard I gave myself a headache. She is not a reliable source or a good person. Thank you for calling her out.
She considers herself to be a reporter 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As someone who has been in a serious abusive relationship, that last part hit me in the heart. I had to cry right along with you. I had attempted to remove myself from the relationship in a similar way and I’m so thankful he didn’t find me, a friend did.
I have as well. I’m thankful to be out of it
This man isn't even 30 years old yet, he's so young, and to think that he felt like this was ONLY way out, and he still wasn't even able to escape is heart shattering. It's not fair.
Yes very disturbing. I pray they find out what really happened!
Licensed addiction counselor here!
K is definitely an addictive substance and one that can cause damage to your body. Our organization had a training on it last year because it has become such an issue. Most treatment centers are treating it as an OUD (Opioid Use Disorder). I've met individuals who K has completely destroyed their lives or lead them into a relapse.
I'm honestly concerned about her children and if she has been giving it to them. :(
You can become addicted to Kratom, coming from someone who used to take it . It was the worst to get off of. It’s so sad she’s giving it to her kids.
You slayed this video. You were respectful, well educated, and sincere. This video disturbed me. I’m a therapist. It was hard but very well done.
As someone who had a friend successfully unalive himself because of a crazy, controlling, narcissistic wife this one hits me hard. Having to bury someone at 31 years old that I have known since preschool because he felt like that was the only way out and the only way to get out of her grips was high on the list of worst things I’ll have to deal with in this life. My heart is with this man and breaks for him. I sobbed at points watching this.
My heart goes out to Von, his family and their children. Well done Chelsea. You handled an incredibly sensitive, complex and heartbreaking set of events with empathy, dignity and class.✨
100%
Thank you for untangling and distilling this difficult story via incredible research, and thank you for braving such waters so we don't have to!
Her child that was speaking about drinking the tea and what not is so well-spoken and intelligent, when the child said, "It's okay, I'm not embarrassed," I had to choke back tears.
He def was trying to say Kr-tom, too.
So sad! Children who act and sound responsible and grown up is a huge red flag.
@@angelikalaser7778 I am so worried for the kids
I was in an abusive marriage for 16 years. He was a narcissist and was abusive in every way except physical and sexual. I considered un-aliving myself a couple of times but couldn't imagine leaving my kids with him. The idea of not surviving it though, and being how Von is, never crossed my mind. That is terrifying. My prayers are with everyone and I hope justice is served. I truly hope CPS **is** involved at this point.
I work at a rehab facility and we have a LOT of clients that come in to detox off kratom. the withdrawals from kratom are VERY similar to opioid withdrawal. she's suggesting that you give this to children? are you kidding me???
Crazy isnt it?!
I am a former ER/cath lab nurse, and I am CRINGGGGINGGGGG at her medical claims...
What she is spewing is down right DANGEROUS.
“You have to go plant based if you want to save your life”
👀👄👀 *silently eats eggs and corned beef hash*
I have cerebral palsy, which is a brain injury, not a disease. That’s why it manifests itself in so many different ways, depending on the cause, severity, etc. If our brains could heal, regenerate, whatever - I wouldn’t use a wheelchair. 1 in 3 with CP are unable to walk, 1 in 4 are unable to talk, 1 in 10 have severe vision impairment, 1 in 4 have some level of hearing loss, 3 in 4 experience pain, 1 in 4 have epilepsy, & 1 in 2 have intellectual impairment. And none of those symptoms are temporary or heal themselves.
Another note: she's teaching her kids when they feel overwhelmed to use a substance. If they feel upset, or need to go to sleep, or just overly excited, take a substance. I hate her. Sorry 😆
It seems like she's giving them the "teas" to put them to sleep and out of her way! Her videos got too much going on in her house with mainly her playing out her script on the live feed like it won't be her problem later because she didn't see anything wrong with it! He can love her but that was a bad love to have, really.
@@TheRuby13red I wonder what that mandatory child inspection by the dr yielded. 🤔
It makes me cry too. He is only 29 years old. It’s the putting him on display and he has zero privacy even in his most vulnerable position. I’m a mom I have a 25 year old son and this really is heartbreaking. So many prayers for Von and his family.
Geez I'm 29, that hits home. This poor man deserved better.
I just got home from the hospital after a failed attempt. Thank you for your compassion and attempt to explain the realities of what leads people to act as he did.
Wishing you a lot of love and full recovery.
Big hugs through the computer ❤️
Much love and well wishes to you. If no one has told you this today, you are so very loved and special to all of us on this Earth. It would not be the same without you ❤️ Praying for your mental and physical healing!
You really outdid yourself with this one. The first comprehensive, masterful, and respectful coverage of the information that I've seen. Thank you.
“He became different when he started therapy”:
Therapy gave Von the courage to stand up to Dre, something she did NOT appreciate
My thoughts exactly
Chelsie, this video shows how kind, respectful, empathetic, and understanding you are as a human being! You could have done so much with the information you have access to but you chose not to out of respect for the family involved. That takes a lot of heart! Thank you for being you and for not letting your success get the best of who you are (the way other creators choose to do). You're amazing and I love seeing your growth both as a person and as a content creator! Keep going!
You put this perfectly
“Before you do…throw your phone in the garbage and go to therapy” 😂 😂 My favorite disclaimer ever.
I started your video freshly high. 30 minutes later, I'm realizing this is not the video to be watching freshly high. I'll be back. Commenting for the anecdote and the algorithm ✌️
Same. Bad idea 😫
I like that the kid said… “I’m not embarrassed…. We can talk about it.” Child wiser than the parent 🤦🏾♀️
i bet she wanted him to shut up about the tea bc she knew what she was doing wasn’t right. but you’re right, he definitely doesn’t get it from her
I’m only 15 minutes in and love how much info is in this video. Thank you for working so hard on this and putting out fact based information. Your hard work is truly appreciated!
My hubby found his best friend of 30 years in his basement after he did the same thing as Von.... It's been 4 years since that fateful day, my hubby will never get over that ..... I can still hear my hubby's voice when he called me.... Your right, everyone handles these things differently.... Now this lady, idk, definitely something wrong, her actions over the last 2 years seem to get more and more unhinged.... My heart breaks for those kids.... What she's giving them CANNOT be safe or good for them!!!! And no one knows what else goes on behind the scene.... This is just mind numbing....I fell down the rabbit hole.... Very very well done Chelsea....as always!!!❤️
My husbands best friend did the same but in another way. It was so upset ig
You, along with other anti-MLM creators, really helped me see the light and get out of that culture. However, this is definitely your best video yet. The time, effort, and research you put into this is evident and so respectful to the family of Von. Thank you for speaking out against other creators who claim to be “reporters”, when in reality they’re all drama. Well done, girl!
You did such an amazing job on this video Chelsea. It was so compassionate and informative while not exploiting the situation like Without a Crystal Ball has been. I appreciate the work you put into this and how you so eloquently handled this. Bravo Chelsea. Bravo.
Ugh as a mom , it breaks my heart to hear her say one thing about giving her children grace yet the next sentence is her drugging her children to not deal w them . I deal w tantrums daily and have never thought about giving my baby drugs to calm her down 🙃
Chelsea, I am just now watching this 4 mos after you posted it. I want you to know you did a fabulous job in relating this story. Your sensitivity, kindness and insight were shining through. Such an awful situation. You did great.
43:08 BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TEACH THEM. Adults learn to regulate their emotions because they are taught. You can’t just give children a sedative every time they are emotional and expect them to grow up and know how to regulate their emotions. Her kids will be turning to alcohol and drugs in no time. She’s already teaching them to use substances to calm down etc. just because it’s a “natural” substance doesn’t mean it’s not substance abuse.
Amen!!!
Amen^2!
💯
This is well documented and respectful.
It’s an absolute wild ride. From being a makeup content creator (she’s skillful) to giving dubious health advice while putting her family in a weird place.
I hope things will get better for this family because it’s heartbreaking.
This is the content we needed about this story. Thank you.
1) the ending to this video was everything.
2) you spent less than 10 minutes sharing YOUR theories, because in the nicest way possible, none of our theories matter.
3) You give an excellent factual rundown of the situation.
4) Again, the way you ended this video is so so so important.
Okay I got this Dre confused with Draymus (?) these girls are starting to blend together, I cannot keep up 😂.
Me too 😅😅
I totally did too until the "who is Dre" short!
Out of all the videos I’ve seen on her.. this has to be the best video done! Great job babe! This situation is so sad.. I’m praying for von and his family! Sending von, his family and everyone here tons of love, light and positive healing energy! 💗🙏
I work in a daycare, I take care of 1 yr olds. I am not a licensed healthcare professional. One of my sweet children has had seizures. We have medicine ready to go if and when they happen. We’ve have been coached by a doctor on how we should administer everything properly with lots of paperwork to go with it. She said straight Cayenne pepper under the tongue can stop them???? I don’t even have words for how insane spreading that misinformation is. Absolute insanity
"She's very susceptible to accepting whatever information is given to her" Unless of course it's coming from someone who went to school for 15 years to become an expert on that topic.
yep!!
I have epilepsy. No cayenne pepper is going to stop my seizures. I believe in a mix of my western medicine and acupuncture but I wouldn’t stop taking my anti seizure medication. That would be so dangerous.
I work on the Epilepsy team at one of the world’s foremost research hospitals and I was HORRIFIED-H O R R I F I E D-when she said that. When Chelsea said Dre took Von off his medication, I almost passed out… There was clearly no down-titrating or neurologist supervision to get him off his meds. She didn’t take him to the hospital when he was in status epilepticus! SHE IS TRYING TO KILL HIM. SHE *IS* KILLING HIM. Dear god
Her kid quite literally said its kratom and she said "oh passion flower"
At the VA, they told her they couldn't stop anyone from visiting so she moved him. Like, what are you running from homegirl?!
I'd like to share my Kratom experience if anyone is interested:
I too fell into the trap of thinking that is something is all natural then it can't be bad for you and without doing much research I dove in. I have an autoimmune disorder called Sjogren's Syndrome and arthritis. I'm now 46 but started taking Kratom when I was 43 after I stopped breastfeeding my miracle baby (that's another story)
At first I couldn't find much info on how to take it or how much. The little bit of research I did helped me settle on starting with a level teaspoon 2 times a day, once in the am and once before my evening run. At first it was amazing. My pain was non existent and the fatigue I had suffered for ten years from my disease was all but gone. I started walking and counting calories and then moved into running. I had never felt to clear and motivated. I ended up losing 80lbs in 8 months, getting in the best shape of my life and running my very first half marathon. Something I would have never dreamed of given my conditions.
What happened after that is kind of fuzzy. I know I started increasing my dose at some point but it had to have been gradually because I remember I started going on less and less runs and my eating slowly slid back into my old habits. Somewhere during the pandemic I just stopped altogether. I chalked that up to my daughter starting to toddle (which required a lot more cleaning, energy, etc..), the stress and depression that came from lockdown and the fact that my eating had reverted back to comfort eating completely.
I tried several times to get back to my routine but I was so sluggish and weak and my aches and pains started creeping back in. Then the stomach issues started. Constipation like you would not believe, to the point that I was using suppositories, laxatives and on a few occasions (trigger warning: this is disgusting--->) I had to put on a rubber glove and literally dig the shit out of my asshole. Never in my life had I experienced constipation like this, it was /still is actually traumatic, I get anxious when I have to poop. Yet, I still didn't attribute it to Kratom.
Around my birthday last year my husband tried to plan a fun day/evening for me and it was all going to be a surprise. My inner self had changed SO much that the thought of not knowing the plans sent me into a rage. I absolutely lost my shit and ruined my own birthday. I had NEVER been so horrible to my husband but the anxiety and stress in my body now had me in a chokehold. My husband is actually a psychologist and only sort of knew I was dabbling in Kratom. He's a pot smoker so he wasn't too concerned for the same reasons I wasn't but after this explosion when I went to him on my knees sobbing to apologize, he told me he was really worried about me and had been for a while but that I had been so on edge that he was afraid to even approach me. I was taking 4-5 heaping tablespoons of Kratom a day by this point.
I have spent thousands of dollars on Kratom. My husband has no idea because I pay with crypto and he's not on my crypto account. I had found myself at the bottom of a hole that I didn't even know existed. I'm not a drug user or an addict. I never have been. So, I tried to quit Kratom.
I'm now down to 3 level tablespoons a day-which is still a lot and I feel like shit but I'm moving in the right direction. I'm trying to slowly taper my dose because I can't tell you how sick I become without it in my system. I no longer experience any of the positive effects. I have to take it to not get ill at this point. If it wears off in the night when I'm sleeping, I wake up sweating and crawling out of my skin. I get flu symptoms, muscle spasms, blurry vision, headaches and the horrific constipation that I'm now afraid may have damaged my colon permanently. I'm slowly getting there. I have a 3 year old to take care of so I have to be functional but I cannot WAIT until I am out from under Kratom. It quietly turned into a nightmare for me.
Kratom can do wonders but it can also LEVEL you. I wouldn't tell anyone to stay away from it because so many people say it saved their lives BUT if you do decide to try it...PLEASE do your research, join the reddit boards, talk to people, read about their experiences, LEARN TO DOSE and don't get your information solely from the manufacturer which is what I did. They don't warn you of the pitfalls.
I just wanted to share because I'm sure a lot of people are curious about Kratom. This was just my experience. One thing I've learned is that it affects people differently so you will find all kinds of seemingly conflicting information out there. Just be careful. Please
Oh wow I didn't know it could get like that!! I'm so sorry that happened and I wish you good luck with getting off of it!!! 💖
I hope you can get out of it sweethart. I would like to know about your miracle baby :) how did it happen?
I think you reported this very well, it's so refreshing to see unbiased information being presented. You can really see the amount of hard work and research you put into your content.
So weird how she was tears thinkin about Vons life without her. Who says that. That’s such a weird thing to,say and think
I thought the same thing
Considering I’m 100% sure he’d be alive, well, and walking around today without her interference and negligence, her statement is even MORE terrifying.
Thank you for calling out other TH-camrs. This whole thing is so gross and doesn't need any of us to make it worse.
She’s so abusive and controlling that she won’t even let him die on his own terms. It’s so horrible and disgusting.
Girl you better not have stayed up into 6am to get this uploaded!! You’re too good to us
I slept like 4 hours 👍🏻
With out a crystal ball has been in numerous controversies & been sued by large public figures before. She has no boundaries and no integrity as a content creator… I am not surprised that she’s overstepped like this
Thank you for presenting this in such a professional manner. I have seen so much on tik tok & TH-cam and was wondering how these creators knew all the information they were sharing. It’s a terrible situation and whatever happened, hopefully the truth will come out.
If you are a male victim of DV or SA, or you love one, I believe you.
Chelsea, I was so looking forward to this video and you have done an amazing job!! You mentioned an alkaline diet is followed by their family! When the body is too alkaline (alkalosis) it can and will make a person very sick and can even kill someone! I'm a dialysis RN and one of the most important parts of my job is maintaining and restoring the patient's PH balance, which is one of the many lost functions of the failed kidneys. Why would we have this very important function of our kidney's, to maintain PH balance, if our bodies function better in an alkaline environment? I bring this topic up b/c consistently having too high of an alkaline level in the body can cause confusion, seizures, numbness/tingling, tremors, light headedness, nausea/vomiting, etc! I have seen patient's have seizures who were diagnosed with metabolic alkalosis, so not only the exposure to arsenic/lead but also throwing off the body's PH balance with a high alkaline diet, combined with a bunch of supplements, which you truly have no idea how the body is processing everything, could possibly be causing their health issues and seizures as well! Very scary and everyone please take any health claim with lots of research and a grain of salt!! Alternative health/medicine is such a big money making industry now, it has become just as bad as the abuse of main stream medicine!
I recently read an article in the American Medical Journal about a healthy 49 year old woman, with no medical history, on no medications, and had no history of drug abuse, who was admitted to the hospital with metabolic alkalosis and come to find out, she followed an alkaline diet and was also an active endurance runner! It was determined that the combination of electrolyte loss from sweating during exercise, in combination with excess bicarbonate in her body because she followed an alkaline diet, lead to her developing metabolic alkalosis! Her symptoms were convulsions, syncope, and dysrhythmias that were resolved with IV infusions to help rebalance her electrolyte levels and eating a regular diet!
Also, thanks for calling out these "true crime" channels that just report on the same famous cases over and over, promoting lies and false conspiracies, all in the name of views, clicks, and money! What they do is harassment and abusive towards the victims families! Another famous case that has been exploited to no end is the Shannan Watts case! Shannan's family has begged and pleaded for the crazy conspiracies and harassment to end, and they have now sought legal action, which no victim's family should ever have to do!! I am not someone who supports cancel culture but I do support taking away a creator's platform who states defamatory lies as facts, abusing freedom of speech, and causing more pain to victims families for financial gain!! It's not "helping to solve these case," like many of these channels initially try to claim, however it is shameful, disgusting, and harmful to the victim's families!
Sorry my comment is a book, LOL! i just really appreciate the content of this video and who you are as a creator!! The promotion of these MLM supplements as cure all treatments, is not only scamming people out of their money and time, but quite possibly robbing people of their quality of life and health! Thanks for staying spicy and assertive!!😀
This is so fascinating! Also, that’s so cool you’re a hemodialysis RN! I’m in end stage renal failure and will be starting hemodialysis soon. I’m terrified 😭 I’m only 35 and am not eligible for a transplant. Any words of advice? Thanks in advance! Nurses are so under appreciated. ♥️♥️♥️
@@-kortnie Thank you for your sweet comment!🥰 I am so sorry you are going through this and being scared, confused, and having many questions is completely normal! It is allot to adjust to all at once! Words of advice, lean into all of the support around you, not only the healthcare team, but other patients, support groups, family and friends! Being able to bond with someone who is also doing dialysis, who knows what you are going through, can answer questions, provide support, and who can help to ease your fears can be such a wonderful gift when you are going through something so life changing! This may go without saying, but be as compliant with your dialysis as you can possibly be! 100% is not always possible, we are only human, however your quality of life, and how you feel will be so much better if you are active in your care and embrace these new changes in your life. I have cared for many patients, young and old, and when they adjust to these changes and actively take part in their care, not only do they feel so much better, but they more easily adjust to their dialysis, and are able to continue living vibrant and active lives!
Of course, this is not how anyone would imagine having to change their lives, but in time and surrounding yourself with loving, caring, and supportive people, you will adjust to the new changes in your life! Sometimes, people will not always understand what you are going through but don't be afraid to speak up for what you need and educate others, so they begin to understand, are more sensitive to your needs, and are able to support you with the new changes in your life! I also believe, sometimes people who love us don't always know what to say or how to help us, and this is why speaking up, and also asking for help when it is needed is so important! I absolutely believe that you will conquer these new changes in your life!! I have seen it with my own eyes! You are in my heart, thoughts, and prayers. Remember that you are not alone and continue reaching out for advice, love, and support!
Never heard of any of these people and I feel like I'm in a fever dream. Very thankful my life is not this complicated
So, I just wanted to say something. And maybe this isn't the best place to put this, because I have no idea of you'll ever see it, but I feel compelled, so here we go. I've been watching you for a while now... maybe 4-5 months. I've seen some of your background videos and mostly watch for your anti-mlm content. I've noticed something about you that's different from other creators. You get a lot of push back and have even addressed the way you presented things in the past and how you're trying to do better now. But throughout it all, I have been able to vibe with you on a different level than other commentator channels. I couldn't quite put my finger on it until now, but- when you teared up in this video... that look on your face. You care. Like, you genuinely CARE because you've lived through that kind of pain. And so, I think that the thing that I've connected with in you is your realness. Maybe you don't always present yourself in a way that everyone likes, but what you present is a real, flawed, caring human being. And I say that as a true and genuine skeptic- someone that researches things to death and will not take most things at face value. You, dear girl, are real.... and I appreciate your content very much. Anyway- not sure what I hoped to accomplish with this comment, other than letting you know that I hear you. 💙 Thank you for being you.
I know this one is gonna be heavy, so I'm gonna come back to it when and if I'm in an ok headspace to watch it, but am liking and commenting for the algorithm and in support of Chelsea. What a truly heartbreaking situation. 💔
Chelsea your presentation of the facts are so professional in this case. Always are but this is excellent work. I’ve already commented it but this is just the saddest situation.
Kratom can be addictive. It does have withdrawals including irritability, restless legs, sweating, cold chills, depression, anxiety, mood swings etc. A lot of people claim it’s was harder for them to get off of Kratom than other hard drugs. It all depends on the person. I started taking Kratom for my fatigue and anxiety not knowing it could be addictive and now I’m struggling to get off of it because of the withdrawal symptoms. My hair is falling out, I can’t gain weight, it’s made my anxiety SO much worse. I wish I had educated myself more before starting because I had no idea. I was told it was like caffeine addiction and it’s definitely not. I don’t advise anyone take Kratom.
Thank you!!! The amount of people that keep saying it is some miracle drug that's perfectly safe, is astounding. I'm in a K group for mothers and every other post is a Mom worrying if it is gonna cause withdrawal in their baby OR if CPS will be called because it is in their system. People really need to educate themselves.
My mothet was disfellowshipped after having an affair on her physically and mentally abusive husband (that she went to the elders about). So yah. That’s bs and true.
She had the right to leave. They would even help to hide her. Are you 100% sure she got all the help that was offered to her?
A much needed examination of the entire situation. Too many creators are looking at this as a true crime in the making rather than a tragedy happening in real time. Yes, I have my own theories on what has happened, but it does no good to put them on five hour live streams.
My brother was a peace corps volunteer and his job was introducing moringa to the northern region of Cameroon. It is a really unique crop that's often given the label "super food" because it contains a high number of daily nutrients and vitamins which in certain areas of the world are hard to come by. If you are looking to increase your daily vitamins, moringa is great but that's pretty much all it does. Also it tastes terrible.
Thank you for being professional and using protective language. This was an incredibly good deep dive. Unfortunately certain OTHER youtubers. Play with with the lives of these families. For clicks and views. And to make as much money as possible. Also they insert themselves into the situation. And have LITERALLY asked people if they have information or evidence on this case. To send it to THEM!!!! And they will send it on. Which is absolutely disgusting. Also on their live stream. They kept saying that Von didn't try to... himself. Because that's not how it works!!!! Wretched and dangerous behaviour. So thank you for showing others how to do it right.
Well done. I have no idea who this woman is and only ever heard of her from your videos. I watched this bc of your intelligence and superb research and documentary skills. Very well done.
My heart go out to the guy and his family that desperately want to say their goodbyes respectfully.
CC, thank you for covering this, you are a class act. Thank your hubby too for helping to bring awareness to this very sad situation.
This case is scarier than Michael Myers or Jason could ever be….the real-life horror of what people are capable of and the irony of not being able to really escape your abuser
That was the best explanation of this story. I haven’t followed it closely because it was overwhelming all the info out there. You’re a sweetheart and here’s a big hug 🤗 for you getting upset at the end.
Also isn’t it bizarre that everyone in the house- including the dog and chicken (!!!!) have had seizures…. But she has never had one???? I have questions….
I agree as you watch Dre. You can definitely see the change in her appearance, speech, demeanor.
I wasn’t prepared for any of what I just watched and I watched it all. You came fair and not accusatory. This is sad and I think we witnessed (live time) a downward spiral with detrimental consequences.
On my clinical rotation last (pharmacy student) we had an adult patient come in who experienced seizures for the first time and it was attributed to their heavy “special k” and kava tea use. These are NOT OKAY to give to children let alone adults with how unregulated they are. I have really gotten into the anti mlm community over the last few years because I love incorporating supplements into a patients care but there is soooo much junk out there and mlm’s are the worst about that.
Wow, that's actually really scary. I've heard of kava tea but haven't been interested enough to do much research into this type of tea. There are a lot of health claims on kava tea sold on Amazon that makes me a little upset because personal experiences with a product like this aren't going to be the same for other people who could get sick.
I largely avoid supplements, herbals, etc. because who knows what is actually in there. Or how it will react to other things you are taking, or at what point is it too much for your kidneys or liver. Even teas that have extra things that are supposed to help you be alert/relax/whatever...nope. Especially if you take other medications, it seems like you are gambling by taking random supplements. A friend of mine went to a traditional Chinese medicine shop and they gave her some tablets of green powder she was taking. What was it? She didn't even know. Ack!
It's scary that many MLM consultants through Paparazzi suffered through poor health before the company was exposed for using dangerous elements like lead and arsenic. They have entire rooms dedicated to their 'business' and are constantly exposed to these dangerous elements on a daily basis. The fact that this woman and her family has suffered through poor health that was possibly brought on by this company is sad.
Paparazzi has a lot to answer for, in my opinion.
New sub because you covered this story gracefully and called out the bs from these other channels!! Ty
Hopefully his parents can do something legally so they can see him. Doing a live stream in his hospital room and profiting off his situation is just disgusting.
Chelsea, you have done an amazing job with this video! Very respectful of the victims.
Also, the word "disagreement" instead of "argument" is a distancing word. It could be used to minimise the severity of what happened between them.
So I just found out about this situation today. It popped up in my reels. I just want to say thank you for adding a little sanity to this situation. You're probably the 4th TH-cam I've watched for this. The others were iffy and adding hysteria to something thats messy enough on its own. I've appreciated this video and wish I found your channel first.
"every single part of your body can heal but your brain." haven't she ever heard of heart attacks? when people feel chest pain it is literally because a part of your heart muscle is dying and due to ischemia. or how about, idk, kidney failure? liver failure? bowel ischemia? avascular necrosis of bones? All of which does not regenerate and heal.
Also thank you for how respectfully (and accurately) you spoke about addiction and substance use disorder… and you are absolutely correct that just because something is natural that it’s safe- opiates come from the poppy seed or plant. Many opioid addicts will use kratom to withdraw but end up staying on it because it is highly addictive- I know there are a lot of people who use it with no issues, but it’s just so EXTREMELY concerning and actually horrifying she gives this to her children including a 7 year old. This is in the open for the public to see- WHY haven’t CPS been knocking on her door? This is so so so sad. I feel like everyone in that house, including Von, including the animals are being held hostage. She feeds the dog the same alkaline diet with a little dog food mixed in!! The poor dog is having seizures and losing its hair. The 7 year old asked for a picture of meat!! I’m vegan and have been one 30+ years, the only one in my family. If I had children I would never push my diet beliefs onto them!! Their growth is going to be severely stunted- mentally and physically. I just don’t understand how this can go on for so long with so many people watching (all of her MLN team) and no one reporting. I know everyone says she’s changed drastically and she’s like a different person now but when people saw it going on they just looked the other way? I’m sorry but I’m a DV survivor and so many people knew and saw and I was pleading inside for someone to “but in” to my business because I desperately needed help but I was too scared to do it on my own or he threatened to kill my family. After what he did to me I believed him! Sometimes we should be nosy…. I’m just very sad for this whole situation and it’s amazing how one woman has control of so many people and all the damage she’s caused- including all of Von’s family members. It’s just astonishing to me…
My mom died in my arms from overdose, I performed cpr for what seemed like forever and emts arrived, they worked on her for a long time too. I was shocked that they got her heart pumping again but knew it was too late. Low and behold, days later she was declared brain dead and I remember having to explain to my family the difference between brain death and vegetative states. If I did not make the decision to take her off life support, the doctors could have petitioned to. Lots of false reporting out there contributing to this confusion. NOBODY can come back from total brain death.
Like damn that was triggering. I know how hard it is to see someone you love hooked up to a ventilator and it gives the illusion of life. The beating heart, the rise and fall of their chest… but the things that start to happen to the body when it’s ran by machines and there’s no brain activity is further traumatizing. I made the most of our last 24 hours together after her diagnosis and then I did the right thing.
This is heartbreaking, I'm sorry you went through this! I can relate to seeing a loved one on a ventilator and how their body starts to break down. I recently lost my grandmother who sadly went down hill after having heart surgery and was eventually put on a ventilator and declared brain dead! It is not how I would ever want someone to be mechanically kept alive and our family made the right choice as well!
@@lynnrn8252 Thank you and I’m very sorry for your loss. The break down varies from person to person depending on many factors so I pray you were able to have your goodbye without further scarring. On one hand I kinda see where Dre is coming from because those feelings are inevitable when faced with loss but man, we have to know when to let go and the story as a whole is horrifying. I pray for her kiddos.
@Voyeur I’m sorry that happened. You’re so strong for dealing with that for your family. 🙏
When I was watching certain other creators, they were talking about Von in past tense. It really pissed me off and that's when I stopped watching the circus. I mean obviously he is not well, but let the man actually die before we use past tense. It's disrespectful.
What you said about how he is now stuck with his abuser is exactly what I thought when she was showing his "tear" rolling down his face. That makes me so sad to think he's aware of things and he's trapped with her. But he's probably not aware. I hope he's not.
That's exactly what I thought.
I know one person who was in a coma and she described having what she believed to be some minor awareness of those around her speaking but that it was incorporated into something of a dream she was in when she was closer to consciousness.
However, if he is brain dead he would not dream.
I don't know what I would hope for him. 😓
As someone who psych trained (but would never say for sure online right!?) This looks like paranoia. I hope they are okay.
Child: I get the drug tea every night.
Dre: No you don't, just when you're frustrated and in a bad mood.
Well done gaslighting your own child there, ma'am.
I would only ever recommend Kratom to a person wanting to get off other drugs not for non drug users. I didn’t have a drug problem before I started and now I’m having to go through opioid like withdrawals while weaning myself off after it causes me to have adrenal issues .
The kid was definitely trying to say Kratom too in that video ! It isn’t even supposed to be sold or given to someone under 21 ! I can’t believe this shit! 🥺
My partner and I both tried kratom a few years ago; him for pain relief, me to try and wean off Suboxone. He doesn't react well to painkillers and wanted to try an alternative. After only using a week, experienced withdrawal symptoms and had a real rough time for like 4 days not taking it. I couldn't stomach it at all. The taste, the texture, I couldn't handle it after one time trying to just mix in with something. Tried making a tea the 2nd time and gagged. A lot of people say it's been a lifesaver for them, they've gotten off other drugs etc etc. Which is really amazing! But there's a lot of shaming and blaming too in kratom groups. Insisting you aren't using it correctly, negative side effects aren't possible. It can almost feel like a cult depending on where you seek out info.
@@summerbummer1930 I've heard the same! I'm 4 years on suboxone. I've thought about trying it to wein off? It's crazy we have to use one substance to come off another substance to come off another substance that keeps me off of substances. Like. What is life.
@@brookehenderson5762 I've wondered the same way, way too many times! 😂 Like, I've been taking some form of pill daily for so many years now, the thought of NOT taking something is foreign and even scary. I know that's the addict talking, and idk if that part will ever fully go away.
Former mandatory reporter in Tucson AZ, and from experience calling child welfare multiple times, I can say that hearsay of mistreatment or neglect from someone who doesn't have firsthand contact with said children will be documented but won't likely be acted upon. In other words, making a report doesn't equal action taken on the authority's part. If a sheriff is called, they may do a well check but even that doesn't seem likely if the caller has no relationship or has ever interacted with the child.
I feel so bad for her husband. He shouldn’t be kept alive because she can’t let go. I’m a nurse and I know that sound harsh but it’s such torture for the person that’s sick. I hope his family takes this to court and gets to take care of his medical management. She’s so delusional. Not just about her husband but about everything she claims.
You're right it's not fair on the person who's sick...my auntie was on a ventilator due to covid 19 and we obvs wanted to keep her on the machine and Keep trying but docs said her lungs are dead and hard/stiff it'll be inhumane to keep her on it so we had to do the hardest thing ever and let her pass. It's incredibly hard and not a decision anyone takes lightly. When the medical profession mention this you know there's absolutely no chance not even 000.1%! She should let him go and be at peace as he's such suffering and it's inhumane x
I really believe part of her angle is, if he dies or doesn't recover 100%, it exposes her fraud of " kratom heals everything and dr sebi is a god".
Gosh not Without A Crystal Ball. Katie Joy needs to stop
I enjoyed KJ back before she became the creator she is today. She is too much, and she is hella mean to people in her comments.
This video was so well done, everything so well presented. Thank you for this! It was a breath of fresh air to watch after all the chaotic coverage elsewhere. This is such a tragic and heartbreaking situation and my heart goes out to this family.
Why don’t people talk about putting cayenne pepper under your younger for seizures? WHY? WHY? WHY? Because it’s bullshit maybe? You’d think the pharmaceutical industry would be selling cheap cayenne pepper? Her making the claims she does is criminal. She doesn’t look well.
Hey! RN here. With all the speculation and due to it being a (sketchy) suicide attempt, I can almost promise a lot of toxicology has been done. It doesn’t seem like poisoning would be something she would get away with at this point. It would be easier for her to get him gone. The longer he’s alive the more tests they’re able to do. Although at this point I don’t think a lot would come of it. But we do tox screens on so many people I can’t imagine they haven’t run the gamut on him.
@@Nukkie19 she is JW, he is not. I don't believe that the person with POA gets to make decisions on behalf of the patient based on a religious belief that the patient doesn't share.
Thats true, if they come in altered or unconscious…. Lots of tests
The amount of hate and ignorance in the comments section is a little alarming.. Chelsea I think you were very respectful in covering this situation. It's a tough topic to cover, but it deserves recognition. I would have to agree that a lot of Dre's behavior is.. questionable at best 👀
Also I'm sad you blocked that unhinged woman spamming your comments. I was in the middle of responding to her nonsense LOL
Agreed, Folks are in this comment section wilding out.
I actually really respect that you called out the other content creators by name. Shows a lot of integrity on your end for exactly the reason you stated. You call out ethical behavior so it would be weird for you to not do so only because its a fellow creator. Good on you, CC! 👏
Ummmm but what was the point of "calling them out" by name??
@@DIVAUNBOTHERED you should probably ask her what the point was, she’s the one who did it.
@@jazzimilz well who TF do you think I'm asking?? With yo smart ass mouth
@@DIVAUNBOTHERED I called them out by name so that my audience would know that I do not support that erratic and messy behavior. As I said my content is about consumer awareness, with that it's better to not be vague.
@@IAMCCSuarez thanks for your response and thanks for not being rude.
There seems to be an overlap between veganism and avoiding doctors hospitals and medicine. However I also notice that a lot of those same people tend to take an abundance of supplements and herbs.
I’ve always been a huge fan but you knocked this one out of the park. Your professionalism really shows. Thank you for handling this with the upmost respect.