This would be the natural step for mini motors to implement across the board run flat tires. Continuous improvement and never resting. Next up they should implement ip6 water rating and get that stem wall under control.
Raimier made a good point about the short stem. The emove cruiser stem is taller than most dualtrons and Raimier had no problem with it. I think there should be a way to adjust height a little bit higher than the default
It depends on the user. The stem is just right for me and I"m 5ft11. Imo if you sit straight like a statue you"re doing it wrong, unless you ride a xiaomi m365
@@slick1908 5’ 11’ is the max for comfort riding on these low stem escooters. I’m 6ft and I can’t comfortably ride any small escooter cause the stem is too low. Idk if the dualtron stem is tall enough never tried
split rims, rubber suspension should be the norm for scooters above 4 figures, definitely those over 2k anyway so we’ll done dual tron there. However what is missing from all scooters that should be standard in my view is a decent ip rating ideally ip55 but many don’t even hit ip54, a decent high mounted front light, and decent indicators. With all the bad press about scooters and safety it baffles me to see the rental companies address this (already waterproof, have indicators and high mounted light) but the major players like dualtron etc in the private space seem to ignore all or some of these features consistently and focus more on the arms race of acceleration and speed at each price point. Apollo are on the right track having some suspension on their base “air” scooter line up but only ip54, ninebot max has the ip but no suspension, vsetts have the front and back indicators but not bright enough, Apollo phantom has great indicators but only at back but a high mounted front light and everyone seems to forget some of us want the option of a thumb throttle without spending more on aftermarket one! Someone please marry all these features together!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide yeh Apollo went with tubes tyres as they seem to provide more comfort but if you have good suspension then split rims tubeless the way to go just like road vehicles. Just need decent ip rating and puncture resistance technology as standard across all scooters along with it.
It does. Lol. It absolutely does. Gets 60mph+. There's very few scooters that can get that type of speed. It also has tubeless non-flat tires, so you never get flats. The tires are extremely thick and durable. All around it's an unbelievable scooter. I know because I have one. I've put about 1,000 mile onit
This is a beastly scooter to ride! But be aware it has no chill, you are either going 0 or 20mph right off the bat lol hold on! Wide stance, powerful presence, I feel it's worth the asking price after riding it during a group run.
Accurate! I love that expression. If you hear me use it in a future review, know that it came from you! It doesn't seem as abrupt as the Storm, but it's definitely not a relaxing ride. That's one thing the 2020 Thunder definitely does better: smooth(ish) and fast. -Paul
@@smooothhibot1123 Thanks for the vote of confidence in my purchase! It wasn't cheap, lol! I've been wanting a Dualtron since 2016/17 when the Ultra was their bread and butter. Back then, I simply couldn't justify spending that much money on one. I purchased a Mantis back in July of 2020 and my upgraditis only grew! I don't think I'll be wanting another scooter for a long time..... hopefully!!
I actually prefer the square wave controllers and trigger throttle over the sign wave and thumb throttles. I like the whole abrupt menacing deliviery of torque feeling, over the smooth. It's to let u know u have a beast not a toy scooter. Like driving with a brass button clutch as opposed to a heavy duty clutch. Or keeping in car in track mode setting instead of comfort /luxury mode .
@@george4658 I disagree - I have the Wolf King GT with Sinewave and I can do both - level 2 for Tesla like smoothness, level 5 for guaranteed wheel spin. Best of both.
I hope they get to do the Storm Ltd as well. I'm stuck between this T2 and Strm Ltd. I'm looking for longest range. I want to be able to do long weekend trips without worrying about enough battery.
Another nice vid! However, you really need to throw Bronco into the mix. It has its pros and cons, but after logging 200 miles on it over last couple weeks i can honestly say it is worth the $. Upgrade to kickstand is to be released soon. DT2 is a great looking scoot, but will say again, still no sinewave controller…which is a must with scooters at this power level.
I've had mine since June 24, 2022 and I'm taking good care of it. Should last me awhile and I hope to upgrade to better components as they become available. Amazing machine!
great review for that kind of moneyL 1. NO plug-n-Play components (BS) 2. 10 year old controller without new-age screen (even BIGGER BS) ....... deal breakers for me at $3,500.00... let alone $800.00 more that company just can get out of it's own way scooters costing 1/3 as much (your favorite all-around model) has a great scree/plug-n-play components, etc great range no-flat tires.. all important but.... come on dualtron.... give us the WHOLE package for SO MUCH MORE MONEY than this scooter OUGHT to be
Power escooters truly amaze me. Love seeing the mercurial rise in the technology. The Spider is more to my liking, 40’ish lbs to carry upstairs. Spider 2022 upgrades, folding bars with room to accessorize, locking folded stem, …$2k? ;)
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks, hopefully you can test it. It’s got polyurethane/rubber suspensions making the likelihood of a smooth ride. Decent performance as a commuter. I would love tubleless 10x3 with the puncture resistant goo added , and a kickplate/footrest to offer defensive foot placement. I wonder how they got a semi-performance scooter down to 40ish pounds. Is there a durability concern?
Ive got a few issues with my thunder 2. The rear brake was sliding , they only supply 1 spacer. The aluminium washer doesnt allow it to grip when tight. So it slid into my rim. Removing the washer and tightening up, this fixed it. The stem is also atrocious with wobble. 2 m8 bolts instead of the quick release is a short term fix. But a clamp upgrade is necessary. It also needs a taller stem if you are tall.
Thanks for the info about your scooter. For the stem clamp, we clamp the top one, then get the bottom one as tight as we can, and then go back and do the top one again. Somtimes continuing one more round. It's similar to how we used to do the Apollo Pro etc. But I agree, it would be nice to have a better stem clamp. CarbonRevo sells bar risers. There is definitely enough brake cable to allow the bars to go up an inch, maybe two inches, but the 3" riser they sell is asking for trouble, as it will cause the cables to get pulled a lot, or may not even be possible to use with the original cables. We're encouraged that Kaabo finally went taller on the Wolf King GT and hope that the Dualtron scooters follow. -Paul
I'm looking to purchase the daltron thunder2 or the Kaaba wolf GT dualtron has more amp hours and watts but the wolf has sideways tech for take off what do you think is the better buy
Good point David. Wind resistance is non-linear though, so that might explain it. I should do a graph of (claimed) peak power vs top speed and see how the relationship looks. It would probably reveal which scooters are being conservative and which are exaggerating, with their power specs. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide true the wind resistance etc gets exponential the faster you go, i would not take one of these past 80 klm/h without a steering damper. I reached 81 klm/h GPS verified on my DT. There is a pushbike pavement track that follows the passenger train line is where i did most of my riding at night, or in the industrial estate. The expressions on train passengers faces when you keep pace, priceless!!! Our commuter trains are limited to 80klm/h that's how i also know as i kept pace with one
Thanks for all the testing you do Paul! I was wondering if you do maintenance for enthusiasts like us. My new scooter is arriving soon and I am changing the tires but don't have the experience or equipment to do so. I live in the bay area. Thanks Paul.
Yes! that is an amazing scooter. It's the world's most stable scooter at high speed, and also the fastest scooter we have ever tested. Love the build quality and love the sinewave controller. It is unbelievably heavy though at 125lbs (we weighed it). -Paul
I've got it - a few niggles (e.g. it doesn't remember the mode you were in when powering up) but the power is sooooo good. Wheelspinning with it is addictive. Very smooth too, a proper long distance grand tourer.
Great review, however I would've loved if you discussed more in depth the Dualtron rubber cartridge suspension vs the standard hydraulic suspensions utilized on most scooters..
as much as i love the tech specs on this, il stick wit my Spider because of the weight super easy to bring along wit me just like a backpack 🥰🥰🥰 portability is my top priority
No Qiewa scooters in the plan right now. We did the Q-Power a while back. I might feel differently after riding it, but I'm not a fan of their build quality based on the original Q-Power. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks for the reply. I recall watching your video where there were issues with the handlebar, loose lights, etc. Understandable when you have so many other, higher quality, scooters to choose from.
I’m in the market for a third scooter and it’s been real tough to make a decision. This seems like it could be a good choice but they’re are factors in all my options that leave me scratching my head. I have two Nanrobots and REALLY appreciate their longer decks and relatively shallow foot rests. I feel like I have room to breathe. Most of the others have this really short deck and steep footrests. This seems uncomfortable as with high power I would prefer to be in a more planted spread stance. If their reasoning is portability, I disagree. The negative side of no plug and play wiring outweighs any creature comforts that might be with the lighting or other conveniences. If you’re going to make other things easier on the rider, why not include plug and play?? These cons are such a problem because in spite of any awesome warranties, we all have to be our own repair and maintenance techs unless we’re willing to spend a shit ton shipping it back. ALL of these scooters need to be built with this in mind. Then maybe our choices will be easier to make.
I definitely don't recommend it :-) When I do these tests, I'm wearing about $2,500 worth of top shelf motorcycle riding gear. I still managed to break my wrist once, so far (that was at 15 mph) -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Oh dear I'm feeling funny now - I do a daily commute with 3 miles on the North Circular each way at a regular 55-60mph on my Wolf King GT with minimal protection (mainly a dirt bike helmet). Feels very stable though.
I watched your reviews about the thunder 2 & victor and you never stated if a stabilizer damper is necessary. My question is can you drive at max speed with no problems if you don't have a stabilizer? Is it stable? Waiting for an answer! Thank you.
Thanks Jed! I'm pretty sure Voro Motors can come up with spare rims. I don't know if they sell the foot rest separately yet, but I've already seen one on ebay for about $100. -Paul
This is really a different class of scooter, bioth weight and power wise. The Vsett handles better, and has very good bottom end power, but nothing like the Thunder 2 acceleration wise. The Thunder 2 would be my choice for really long rides because of tha larger deck. The Vsett would be more fun carving corners. Neither of them really fit into a trunk, though the Vsett is going to have an edge here becase the bars fold down better and it's a lot easier to lift. -Paul
Hello sir, Merry Christmas to you, I hope you have a good Christmas. I am from the Philippines. Thank you I always watch your vlog. I wish there was a scooter sir. Christmas scooter
I own a dueltron victor .I don't like the aggressive throttle and I want to upgrade I have narrowed down to thunder 2 or Kaabo King gt pro + ..I don't go of road and can you give me advice please .
Do it again, because on thunder 2 you used only 8400wats, to use full power 10080wats before start do double throttle click, to active full power, of thunder 2.
That's amazing. Has it been modified? Was this on flat ground? For our top speed runs, I do two 1/2 mile speed runs in opposite directions, on flat ground, at sea level, fully tucked so my eyes are at handlebar level or lower. The scooters are fully charged and in top performance mode. Then I take the highest sustained speeds from the southbound run and the northbound run and average them together to cancel out the effect of any small headwind or tailwind. In four runs on two different days we were getting a consistent top speed of 61 mph. (software limit is about 84mph). -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide put the magnets on 25. On gear 5 I upped the a settings to 60 and I'm on mostly flat ground. I get to full speed and release the throttle and repush it quickly and it goes flying.
It's adjustable, but this is the stock position. One bad thing that happens when you lower them is the swingarm gets longer in the horizontal direction which causes it to be further forward relatie to the pivot point for the steering. This reduces trail, and makes the front end less stable. I tried lowering our Dualtron Storm and the reduction in stability was noticeable. Lowering the rear has no negative effect on stability though. -Paul
That's what kills me about dualtron, lots of there scooters over $3000 no IP rating wtf? At the end of the day it's an investment, I mean I'm not saying you should go in the rain with any scooter, but I shouldn't have to be worried about puddles or splashes at least. I would love to buy the dualtron city but same issue no IP rating for over $3000 🙄🤔
That's exactly what I said! The scooter looks amazing. But since I will be using the scooter as a daily commuter, I can't stand the fact it won't have any IP rating. That's terrible.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Romania and Germany both banned the two wheels Scooter on public road with speed over 25km/h, and EUC is not allowed on public roads, all the Scooter cannot use pedestrian, I have been living in these two countries recently.
@@bensmith6868 yes you can do it anyway then good luck with police's tickets, or if u ride an EUC then you have to say goodbye with it if police stopped you
I don't know.. a E-Scooter with 10080W and only 95mph is not fast enough🙄 the first Dualtron with 5400W is 85mph. Why i give more money for only +10mph and Little bit more Range
What do you think about the newly updated Thunder 2? ( geni.us/DTThunder2?track=yt ) Let us know in the comments below!
Debating between this and kaabo wolf king gt pro. Which would you choose?
@@YoungWise2011 Check out the Rion e scooter , oh my !!
is there a way to make it legal in eu?
Those rubber tires are VERY revolutionary for PEVs if all company's could implement this on their scooters we'd never need tire slime
You don't need slime eitherway
And they still keep releasing new scooters without that flat proof tire sealant such a shame.
This would be the natural step for mini motors to implement across the board run flat tires. Continuous improvement and never resting.
Next up they should implement ip6 water rating and get that stem wall under control.
You can now get these tires. I just ordered a pair.
Those tires are absolutely amazing. I'd pay $100 or more for any scooter I buy to get those.
You can get these on eBay now!
Raimier made a good point about the short stem. The emove cruiser stem is taller than most dualtrons and Raimier had no problem with it. I think there should be a way to adjust height a little bit higher than the default
CarbonRevo sells risers. But it would definitely be nices if it just came with 40" high handlebars to begin with. -Paul
I was literally about to mention the stem look so short.
It depends on the user. The stem is just right for me and I"m 5ft11. Imo if you sit straight like a statue you"re doing it wrong, unless you ride a xiaomi m365
@@slick1908 I'm 6'2 I have the Wolf King it's the same height. The extra 2 inches would make a significant difference.
@@slick1908 5’ 11’ is the max for comfort riding on these low stem escooters. I’m 6ft and I can’t comfortably ride any small escooter cause the stem is too low. Idk if the dualtron stem is tall enough never tried
split rims, rubber suspension should be the norm for scooters above 4 figures, definitely those over 2k anyway so we’ll done dual tron there. However what is missing from all scooters that should be standard in my view is a decent ip rating ideally ip55 but many don’t even hit ip54, a decent high mounted front light, and decent indicators. With all the bad press about scooters and safety it baffles me to see the rental companies address this (already waterproof, have indicators and high mounted light) but the major players like dualtron etc in the private space seem to ignore all or some of these features consistently and focus more on the arms race of acceleration and speed at each price point. Apollo are on the right track having some suspension on their base “air” scooter line up but only ip54, ninebot max has the ip but no suspension, vsetts have the front and back indicators but not bright enough, Apollo phantom has great indicators but only at back but a high mounted front light and everyone seems to forget some of us want the option of a thumb throttle without spending more on aftermarket one! Someone please marry all these features together!
Maybe the emove roadster (wherever that went lol)
Foreal. I mean DT2 not even water resistant?? You'd think there'd be some kind of resistance for that price!
I agree on the IP ratings, but I'll take non split rims, since it's the only way to have tubeless tires. T-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide yeh Apollo went with tubes tyres as they seem to provide more comfort but if you have good suspension then split rims tubeless the way to go just like road vehicles. Just need decent ip rating and puncture resistance technology as standard across all scooters along with it.
4K for a scooter ?? This thing better fly
Cheap vs others
It does. Lol. It absolutely does. Gets 60mph+. There's very few scooters that can get that type of speed. It also has tubeless non-flat tires, so you never get flats. The tires are extremely thick and durable. All around it's an unbelievable scooter. I know because I have one. I've put about 1,000 mile onit
This is a beastly scooter to ride! But be aware it has no chill, you are either going 0 or 20mph right off the bat lol hold on! Wide stance, powerful presence, I feel it's worth the asking price after riding it during a group run.
Accurate! I love that expression. If you hear me use it in a future review, know that it came from you!
It doesn't seem as abrupt as the Storm, but it's definitely not a relaxing ride. That's one thing the 2020 Thunder definitely does better: smooth(ish) and fast. -Paul
I just ordered mine and I'm a chill rider, lol. I guess I'll have to get used to it or reduce the acceleration in the settings. I'll dial it in.
@@jessa.3857 since this post two more of my buddies have bought the thunder II. It's a nice scooter for sure, I'm pretty sure you'll love it.
@@smooothhibot1123 Thanks for the vote of confidence in my purchase! It wasn't cheap, lol! I've been wanting a Dualtron since 2016/17 when the Ultra was their bread and butter. Back then, I simply couldn't justify spending that much money on one. I purchased a Mantis back in July of 2020 and my upgraditis only grew! I don't think I'll be wanting another scooter for a long time..... hopefully!!
Not having SineWave controllers shall always be a Cons.
So few sinewave scooters to choose from though. I really hope that 2022 is the year every new scooter goes sinewave. -Paul
I actually prefer the square wave controllers and trigger throttle over the sign wave and thumb throttles.
I like the whole abrupt menacing deliviery of torque feeling, over the smooth.
It's to let u know u have a beast not a toy scooter.
Like driving with a brass button clutch as opposed to a heavy duty clutch.
Or keeping in car in track mode setting instead of comfort /luxury mode .
@@george4658 I disagree - I have the Wolf King GT with Sinewave and I can do both - level 2 for Tesla like smoothness, level 5 for guaranteed wheel spin. Best of both.
Oh, yes like everyone is saying, those tires that would be great!
I hope they get to do the Storm Ltd as well. I'm stuck between this T2 and Strm Ltd. I'm looking for longest range. I want to be able to do long weekend trips without worrying about enough battery.
We will, as soon as we can get our hands on one. I'm really looking forward to seeing what an 84V (nominal, 96.6V peak) scooter feels like :-) -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide That's great Paul! Looking forward to your review!👍
Another nice vid! However, you really need to throw Bronco into the mix. It has its pros and cons, but after logging 200 miles on it over last couple weeks i can honestly say it is worth the $. Upgrade to kickstand is to be released soon. DT2 is a great looking scoot, but will say again, still no sinewave controller…which is a must with scooters at this power level.
We would love to ride one. I've literally never even seen a Bronco in person. -Paul
The scooter you can just straight up abuse it and it will still be fine this is a powerful unit of a machine
I've had mine since June 24, 2022 and I'm taking good care of it. Should last me awhile and I hope to upgrade to better components as they become available. Amazing machine!
great review
for that kind of moneyL
1. NO plug-n-Play components (BS)
2. 10 year old controller without new-age screen (even BIGGER BS)
.......
deal breakers for me at $3,500.00... let alone $800.00 more
that company just can get out of it's own way
scooters costing 1/3 as much (your favorite all-around model) has a great scree/plug-n-play components, etc
great range
no-flat tires.. all important
but.... come on dualtron.... give us the WHOLE package for SO MUCH MORE MONEY than this scooter OUGHT to be
I just got my Dualtron Storm LE (BEAST!) but haven't been able to ride it yet due to cold weather. When are you doing a vid on it?
As soon as we can get our hands on one. Not sure when that's going to be. If you get a break in the weather, let us know how you like riding it! -Paul
Power escooters truly amaze me. Love seeing the mercurial rise in the technology. The Spider is more to my liking, 40’ish lbs to carry upstairs. Spider 2022 upgrades, folding bars with room to accessorize, locking folded stem, …$2k? ;)
I'm really curious about the Spider. It's one of few Dualtrons we haven't tested. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks, hopefully you can test it. It’s got polyurethane/rubber suspensions making the likelihood of a smooth ride. Decent performance as a commuter. I would love tubleless 10x3 with the puncture resistant goo added , and a kickplate/footrest to offer defensive foot placement. I wonder how they got a semi-performance scooter down to 40ish pounds. Is there a durability concern?
Ive got a few issues with my thunder 2.
The rear brake was sliding , they only supply 1 spacer. The aluminium washer doesnt allow it to grip when tight. So it slid into my rim. Removing the washer and tightening up, this fixed it.
The stem is also atrocious with wobble. 2 m8 bolts instead of the quick release is a short term fix. But a clamp upgrade is necessary.
It also needs a taller stem if you are tall.
Thanks for the info about your scooter. For the stem clamp, we clamp the top one, then get the bottom one as tight as we can, and then go back and do the top one again. Somtimes continuing one more round. It's similar to how we used to do the Apollo Pro etc. But I agree, it would be nice to have a better stem clamp.
CarbonRevo sells bar risers. There is definitely enough brake cable to allow the bars to go up an inch, maybe two inches, but the 3" riser they sell is asking for trouble, as it will cause the cables to get pulled a lot, or may not even be possible to use with the original cables.
We're encouraged that Kaabo finally went taller on the Wolf King GT and hope that the Dualtron scooters follow.
-Paul
I dislike the price sense I don’t have that amount 😰, but it’s excellent even if expensive 😅
I'm looking to purchase the daltron thunder2 or the Kaaba wolf GT dualtron has more amp hours and watts but the wolf has sideways tech for take off what do you think is the better buy
That considerable power increase yet not that much faster (top speed) than TH1
Good point David. Wind resistance is non-linear though, so that might explain it. I should do a graph of (claimed) peak power vs top speed and see how the relationship looks. It would probably reveal which scooters are being conservative and which are exaggerating, with their power specs. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide true the wind resistance etc gets exponential the faster you go, i would not take one of these past 80 klm/h without a steering damper. I reached 81 klm/h GPS verified on my DT. There is a pushbike pavement track that follows the passenger train line is where i did most of my riding at night, or in the industrial estate. The expressions on train passengers faces when you keep pace, priceless!!! Our commuter trains are limited to 80klm/h that's how i also know as i kept pace with one
Thanks for all the testing you do Paul! I was wondering if you do maintenance for enthusiasts like us. My new scooter is arriving soon and I am changing the tires but don't have the experience or equipment to do so. I live in the bay area. Thanks Paul.
Hi Jeremy,
We don't do any scooter service, but I would check out PEV Works in San Francisco. It's owned by Kevin of Alienrides. -Paul
I ordered the kaabo king wolf gt pro scooter a good choice ?? thanks for the video
Yes! that is an amazing scooter. It's the world's most stable scooter at high speed, and also the fastest scooter we have ever tested. Love the build quality and love the sinewave controller. It is unbelievably heavy though at 125lbs (we weighed it). -Paul
I've got it - a few niggles (e.g. it doesn't remember the mode you were in when powering up) but the power is sooooo good. Wheelspinning with it is addictive. Very smooth too, a proper long distance grand tourer.
Great review, however I would've loved if you discussed more in depth the Dualtron rubber cartridge suspension vs the standard hydraulic suspensions utilized on most scooters..
Thanks for the input
as much as i love the tech specs on this, il stick wit my Spider because of the weight super easy to bring along wit me just like a backpack 🥰🥰🥰 portability is my top priority
Any plans on reviewing the new Qiewa scooters? The Q-Power2, Hunter2 and Force? Not a lot of options out there for us big guys.
No Qiewa scooters in the plan right now. We did the Q-Power a while back. I might feel differently after riding it, but I'm not a fan of their build quality based on the original Q-Power. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks for the reply. I recall watching your video where there were issues with the handlebar, loose lights, etc. Understandable when you have so many other, higher quality, scooters to choose from.
Love this scooter, tooo heavy. I wonder why dualtron would put a folding handlebar on this but not the spider which is their portable scooter?
Good point
Blows my mind with this much power and single stem
Definitely a monster scooter!
I’m in the market for a third scooter and it’s been real tough to make a decision. This seems like it could be a good choice but they’re are factors in all my options that leave me scratching my head. I have two Nanrobots and REALLY appreciate their longer decks and relatively shallow foot rests. I feel like I have room to breathe. Most of the others have this really short deck and steep footrests. This seems uncomfortable as with high power I would prefer to be in a more planted spread stance. If their reasoning is portability, I disagree. The negative side of no plug and play wiring outweighs any creature comforts that might be with the lighting or other conveniences. If you’re going to make other things easier on the rider, why not include plug and play?? These cons are such a problem because in spite of any awesome warranties, we all have to be our own repair and maintenance techs unless we’re willing to spend a shit ton shipping it back. ALL of these scooters need to be built with this in mind. Then maybe our choices will be easier to make.
Thanks for the feedback
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide lol, sure. my pleasure
No IP?
100 Km/h is insane!
I definitely don't recommend it :-)
When I do these tests, I'm wearing about $2,500 worth of top shelf motorcycle riding gear. I still managed to break my wrist once, so far (that was at 15 mph) -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Oh dear I'm feeling funny now - I do a daily commute with 3 miles on the North Circular each way at a regular 55-60mph on my Wolf King GT with minimal protection (mainly a dirt bike helmet). Feels very stable though.
lol, If only I could afford something like this.
I hear you, but for that amount of $ i'd rather buy a car instead
@@jill7147 Agreed!
I watched your reviews about the thunder 2 & victor and you never stated if a stabilizer damper is necessary. My question is can you drive at max speed with no problems if you don't have a stabilizer? Is it stable? Waiting for an answer! Thank you.
Stabilizer are recommended! It’s stable enough but stabilizer gives extra peace of mind. -Vosk
Hi, i am planning to buy this monster for delivering lmao, can you tell me what is the minimum speed ? Like the speed of the eco mode, thx ;)
Can you swap out the finger throttle for a thumb throttle
A competent mechanic can! Thanks
Are the spare rims (mentioned at 2:12 ) available anywhere as well as just buying a separate footrest ( 7:08 )? Thanks y’all and great vid 🔥
Thanks Jed!
I'm pretty sure Voro Motors can come up with spare rims. I don't know if they sell the foot rest separately yet, but I've already seen one on ebay for about $100. -Paul
Any sits avalible?
Thunder 3 is here.
Would love to hear how this compares to a Vsett 10+R
This is really a different class of scooter, bioth weight and power wise. The Vsett handles better, and has very good bottom end power, but nothing like the Thunder 2 acceleration wise. The Thunder 2 would be my choice for really long rides because of tha larger deck. The Vsett would be more fun carving corners. Neither of them really fit into a trunk, though the Vsett is going to have an edge here becase the bars fold down better and it's a lot easier to lift. -Paul
I’m 4,11 Short handle bars might be a good thing.
Thanks for the input! Noted. -Vosk
Is the thunder 2 faster than the storm?
Nope, Storm is faster
@Paul Congrats on being a spokesperson on youtube
Thanks Ash! It's a lot of fun! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide 👍
LOL 5 grand and I still have to change or adapt things on this e scooter, that's ridiculous!
Can u review dualtron strom ltd?
As soon as we can get our hands on one! -Paul
I heard about dualtron strom ltd can go 80kmh only 🥲
Im waiting for this too
Hello sir, Merry Christmas to you, I hope you have a good Christmas. I am from the Philippines. Thank you I always watch your vlog. I wish there was a scooter sir. Christmas scooter
Happy Holidays! Thanks for watching. -Vosk
You need to test a bronco 11 xtreme 👌🏽
We would love too! -Vosk
Are u saying the Kaabo wolf 🐺 king GT gold edition is faster? Which one better built quality?
Both are excellent can’t go wrong with either to be honest! -Vosk
I own a dueltron victor .I don't like the aggressive throttle and I want to upgrade I have narrowed down to thunder 2 or Kaabo King gt pro + ..I don't go of road and can you give me advice please .
You honestly can’t go wrong with either. The GT pro will be a smoother acceleration
Why are these chunkies still foldable? Make them non-foldable and that'll fix the stem problems. You wouldn't wanna fold any of these scooters anyway.
Do it again, because on thunder 2 you used only 8400wats, to use full power 10080wats before start do double throttle click, to active full power, of thunder 2.
I believe he did but I will let him know! Thanks for the tip!
What is the dualtron thunder 2 eco mode top speed ?
We do not test speeds in ECO MODE!
My Wolf King GT Pro goes 72mph
That's amazing. Has it been modified? Was this on flat ground?
For our top speed runs, I do two 1/2 mile speed runs in opposite directions, on flat ground, at sea level, fully tucked so my eyes are at handlebar level or lower. The scooters are fully charged and in top performance mode. Then I take the highest sustained speeds from the southbound run and the northbound run and average them together to cancel out the effect of any small headwind or tailwind.
In four runs on two different days we were getting a consistent top speed of 61 mph. (software limit is about 84mph).
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide put the magnets on 25. On gear 5 I upped the a settings to 60 and I'm on mostly flat ground. I get to full speed and release the throttle and repush it quickly and it goes flying.
@@VegitoBlackityBlack Is this not damaging to the scooter? I've also got this scooter and wondering if to do this?
@@sheeesssh646 no damage besides using up the battery faster.
@@VegitoBlackityBlack Oh ok will def try! Hope I don't regret this 😂
Not many cons and that’s great currently awaiting my dt3
Check out the Rion. , its slicker and faster, and looks better, I think....
RION is an awesome scooter
-Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Spread the word, side by side , it knocks spots off ALL the Dualton models
The price on this is ridiculous , u can get a grom or tnt benili , z125 and the new 2022 Honda Navi. It’s nice but the prices are off the chain .
The bike will be a lot more expensive after gas and insurance
@@mach16j for little extra price u get way more mileage
@@ohno4545 just depends on your needs. 50 miles is good for many. You get good performance with no gas and insurance that's worth a lot
It’s only got a max load of 265 pounds. It does only have 1 stem though
Dualtron is a very reliable scooter!
59miles @ top turbo mode? 4:28
Its front swingarm isn't vertical enough 🤣
It's adjustable, but this is the stock position. One bad thing that happens when you lower them is the swingarm gets longer in the horizontal direction which causes it to be further forward relatie to the pivot point for the steering. This reduces trail, and makes the front end less stable. I tried lowering our Dualtron Storm and the reduction in stability was noticeable. Lowering the rear has no negative effect on stability though. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide You're a legend Pauly.
I got blade x10
Nice! How do you like it ? -Vosk
$5600 CAD WOOO WEEEEEE MOMA
Definately a premium price! -Vosk
Where can I buy one for half the price from china??
You can only buy Dualtrons from dealers. -
That's what kills me about dualtron, lots of there scooters over $3000 no IP rating wtf? At the end of the day it's an investment, I mean I'm not saying you should go in the rain with any scooter, but I shouldn't have to be worried about puddles or splashes at least. I would love to buy the dualtron city but same issue no IP rating for over $3000 🙄🤔
Yea hopefully that will change!
That's exactly what I said! The scooter looks amazing. But since I will be using the scooter as a daily commuter, I can't stand the fact it won't have any IP rating. That's terrible.
Too heavy to lift one handed for some not all. 💪🏾🏋🏻
Is this better than Nami burn e?
They are both excellent! You can’t go wrong with either ?
No sign wave controller and its not waterproof at that price? What a joke!
Why is to spencer like a car price ridiculous
Quality
👍👍👍
They need rider weight increase and 13inch tires
Yeah, I'm really surprised the weight limit is set so low on the Thunder 2. -Paul
Banned in my country , illegal to use
Which country do you live in Gros? Any chance of the law changing? Is it a ban on high powered scooters or all electric scooters? -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Romania and Germany both banned the two wheels Scooter on public road with speed over 25km/h, and EUC is not allowed on public roads, all the Scooter cannot use pedestrian, I have been living in these two countries recently.
@@bensmith6868 yes you can do it anyway then good luck with police's tickets, or if u ride an EUC then you have to say goodbye with it if police stopped you
At these prices you can buy actual cars!
Yes they can
B+ stem flex on a scooter this expensive is absolutely unacceptable.
Folding handlebars are a sign of true garbage
At this price you are better off buying a damn motorcycle
Yea but gas , registration , insurance kind of defeats the purpose
uhhhh you can buy a car or a pretty nice motorcycle for that price..wow
What kind of nice motorcycle can you buy in this price range?
I buy a nice car instead for that money
Thanks for stopping by!
$5,600? No thanks!
I don't know.. a E-Scooter with 10080W and only 95mph is not fast enough🙄 the first Dualtron with 5400W is 85mph. Why i give more money for only +10mph and Little bit more Range
who cares about ip rating
Many people ask! -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide i care more about the head light
Excellent review! I’m gonna get mine w/a seat! 🛴🤙🏾
Thanks for the kind words
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide You’re welcome. 🙂