The math Auspex did in his video losing oath wound rerolls is astounding. Like 60-100% less damage output on non twin linked units. Hope you do a vid on that.
Yeh every streamer except auspex seems to be ignoring how hard the oath nerf hits space marines as a faction with only 2 detachments with above a 45% wr , they are going to have to buff space marines as a whole a little and the less successful non codex marine factions a lot to make up for it. And the changes need to be made to the detachments not the units. Otherwise Gladius is just going to become overwhelming
@@werwolfoberschlesien2625 if the rumored Iron Hands detachment rule is accurate, rerolling one hit, one wound, one damage, then you won't miss oath of moment at all.
If you went with Calgar you could also include Uriel Ventris into your list. He can give any infantry unit in your army deep strike with his Master of the Fleet ability.
As a Blood Angels player I find these guys to be awesome with the Librarian Dreadnought Teleport Ability.... Not only is the Dread pretty good in itself, you can continue to teleport infantry units throughout the game! Really powerful with the Gravis Captain included with Honour Vehement to make him a real beast in Melee.
Calgar doesn’t really offer much to the unit. This isn’t a unit that would be needing to advance/ fallback/ shoot/ charge. If you add calgar you are giving your opponent a free 185 points. Keeping the footprint of the unit small(6 aggressors/1apothecary), bringing it from deepstrike with ventris, on a dev doctrine turn is the way to go. Use the 185 point from calgar on a dreadnought instead lol.
@@HighMarshalBiggusDickus except for the fact you get a 2+ base save, and a 4++ invuln save for the squad at 6 extra wounds. It makes the squad very defendable. Taking wounds on the victrix (at toughness 6) as well.
@@dl-3183 attached characters do not give the bodyguard unit they are attached to their defensive stats. That would be awesome if you could do that. If you want to take wounds on calgar and his bodyguards, that does make sense, that you are saving on 2+ and 4++ with a 4+ FNP. But again, you are using a character unit to tank wounds, which isn’t a good expenditure of 185 points.
I play ultramarines and deathwatch as well, so i’m more trying to help out a fellow player. Here are the rules copied from the app itself: “While a Bodyguard unit contains a Leader, it is known as an Attached unit and, with the exception of rules that are triggered when units are destroyed, it is treated as a single unit for all rules purposes. Each time an attack targets an Attached unit, until the attacking unit has resolved all of its attacks, you must use the Toughness characteristic of the Bodyguard models in that unit, even if a Leader in that unit has a different Toughness characteristic. Each time an attack successfully wounds an Attached unit, that attack cannot be allocated to a Character model inthat unit, even if that Character model has lost one or more wounds or has already had attacks allocated to it this phase. As soon as the last Bodyguard model in an Attached unit has been destroyed, any attacks made against that unit that have yet to be allocated can then be allocated to Character models in that unit…” Unless your unit was being hit by precision, you go off of the bodyguard unit( being the aggressors) defensive profile on the data sheet when tanking damage. T6, Sv3+, 3W. There is no 2+ save, 4++, or 4+FNP on the aggressor data sheet. Also, when reading calgar’s datasheet, you are only getting your FNP when you are taking damage on the victrix honor guard models. Again, calgar’s model and data sheet is pretty damned cool. But he doesn’t offer anything to the aggressors/ apothecary combo, that can help them accomplish their mission( which in this case is a sort of deep strike heavy damage combo). I would drop him unless you are playing casually and try to fit in a redemptor instead. *KEEP VENTRIS IN YOUR LIST AS WELL*
@@HighMarshalBiggusDickus that's what I am saying. First 3 wounds taken on a victrix (2+,4++). Then you start taking them on Calgar (2+, 4++) and a 4+ feel no pain. Then start taking them on the last victrix guard until he dies. It's a lot of wounds you can shake off before taking anything on the aggressors themselves.
I like this unit, I typically plant them in a Redeemer, I feel I get a ton more value from the Redeemer compared to the Captain. It’s a great combo, that considering all the hoops I have to go to to get it to work, then it folds to anti-elite or anti-light tank, or weapons with anti-infantry shooting I have found my opponents don’t mind it. It hits hard, some finesse is required to kill it, but once you know what works it does die. I disagree with your enhancements choice for the Captain and Biologis combo. If you take both, the Biologis should get the Artificer Armor, and the Captain should get Bolter Discipline. In your example, your opponent will just kill off your Biologis, neutering the squads ability to punch up in shooting. With mine it’s a lot harder to kill the Biologis, the Captain is tough already, and even if either die, the squad can still punch up, though not as well.
Is this better than a Primaris Lieutenant with Bolter Discipline + Hellblastsers? I can run either and I've had very good results with the Hellblasters.
problem with Ferrios is you can't take the Biologus. I think he's better with a squad of heavy intercessors and a Ballistus Dread in the back field or holding a point . he's great tho I love him 🤣
I’m new to Warhammer but I thought you can only increase any stat once? As in if the ap is getting buffed one from their ability I didn’t think you could buff it again with anything else?
You can do the same with a dark angel terminator command squad with lieutenant They have Deep strike, delete a unit on shooting and charge another unit with 8+ for maximum obliteration
How can you target the aggressor with the adaptive stratagem if they are in a land raider or in deep strike? Are you telling me that you want to play them on foot?
@@MrRiccardo6 they are still in the army and the strat says in the army so idk might need an errata. Embarked units are not on the battlefield but still in the army. RAW works
Nah, it won't affect Aggressors much since they have inbuilt wound rerolls from Twin Linked. Also since you're leaning on lethals you care less about wound rolls anyway Oath will make the Fragstorm launchers slightly worse but other than that these will work the exact same way regardless
Oath of Moment, according to the Gladius Task Force detachment gives reroll To-Hit & reroll To-Wound. (Combat Patrol Oath of Moment is only To-Hit) When the new SM Codex arrives, Oath of Moment will change to be same as the Combat Patrol version, only giving a reroll To-Hit.
@@jonmattison3939just a slight nitpick. It isn't the gladius detachment that gives Oaths. Cause Oaths is the faction rule. Do you get it regardless of which detachment you choose.
@@XealotCoils You are correct, But the written rules for oath of moment are found in the gladius attachment, unless they are also reprinted in the sub detachments.
They called me a madman when I started doing this about 3 months ago. And now it's everywhere cause someone saw this and thought this would be disgusting in Gladius For reference I play space wolves champions Detachment and I just spam lethal hit into my list
@TacticalTortoise didn't have em, I just so happen to like aggressors and my list is just a spam of lethal list even now. Apothecary biogris and gravis captain Urik the slayer and primaris Lt Logan grimnar and terminator battle leader Battle leader on thunder wolf Bjorn
Remember that you can only jump into dev doctrine if you are in a doctine "Instead of any other combat doctrine" so you switch doctrine not jum into another one if your are on a saving round
how so? if you read the ability it states that you can select another doctrin than the one you are in. since you can only bee in a doctrin 3/5 rounds you can´t use it in 2/5 rounds @@MrRiccardo6
@@cristofferschnelzer443 select a doctrine, full stop. That combat doctrine is active instead of any other combat doctrine that is active, full stop. The "instead of any other combat doctrine that is active" is the effect, not the requirement you need to activate the strat. You can always activate the strat and gain this effet: " you are in this doctrine instead of any other doctrine", "no doctrinex is counted as "any other doctrine". This is how the majority of the community usually play this stratagem. Someone corrects me if I am wrong. Sorry for the bad english
Gravis supremacy
The math Auspex did in his video losing oath wound rerolls is astounding. Like 60-100% less damage output on non twin linked units. Hope you do a vid on that.
Yeh every streamer except auspex seems to be ignoring how hard the oath nerf hits space marines as a faction with only 2 detachments with above a 45% wr , they are going to have to buff space marines as a whole a little and the less successful non codex marine factions a lot to make up for it. And the changes need to be made to the detachments not the units. Otherwise Gladius is just going to become overwhelming
It's all a ploy to sell more lieutenants and their lethal hits!
True , that Nerf was totally unnecessary .
@@werwolfoberschlesien2625 if the rumored Iron Hands detachment rule is accurate, rerolling one hit, one wound, one damage, then you won't miss oath of moment at all.
If you went with Calgar you could also include Uriel Ventris into your list. He can give any infantry unit in your army deep strike with his Master of the Fleet ability.
As a Blood Angels player I find these guys to be awesome with the Librarian Dreadnought Teleport Ability.... Not only is the Dread pretty good in itself, you can continue to teleport infantry units throughout the game! Really powerful with the Gravis Captain included with Honour Vehement to make him a real beast in Melee.
Teleporting them with a Librarian Dreadnought is my favorite delivery mechanism
I like these unit combo videos. I hope you do more of them!
Blood Angels can also use a Librarian Dreadnought to teleport these dudes about as well.
I really enjoy this unit combo. Glad Aggressors are a big presence. Also a big fan of the resurgence of Land Raiders.
Big Rez in the house whoop whoop!!
If youre gonna have Calgar with Ultra Marines, use Ventris to deepstrike the unit
Calgar doesn’t really offer much to the unit. This isn’t a unit that would be needing to advance/ fallback/ shoot/ charge. If you add calgar you are giving your opponent a free 185 points.
Keeping the footprint of the unit small(6 aggressors/1apothecary), bringing it from deepstrike with ventris, on a dev doctrine turn is the way to go.
Use the 185 point from calgar on a dreadnought instead lol.
@@HighMarshalBiggusDickus except for the fact you get a 2+ base save, and a 4++ invuln save for the squad at 6 extra wounds. It makes the squad very defendable. Taking wounds on the victrix (at toughness 6) as well.
@@dl-3183 attached characters do not give the bodyguard unit they are attached to their defensive stats. That would be awesome if you could do that.
If you want to take wounds on calgar and his bodyguards, that does make sense, that you are saving on 2+ and 4++ with a 4+ FNP. But again, you are using a character unit to tank wounds, which isn’t a good expenditure of 185 points.
I play ultramarines and deathwatch as well, so i’m more trying to help out a fellow player. Here are the rules copied from the app itself:
“While a Bodyguard unit contains a Leader, it is known as an Attached unit and, with the exception of rules that are triggered when units are destroyed, it is treated as a single unit for all rules purposes. Each time an attack targets an Attached unit, until the attacking unit has resolved all of its attacks, you must use the Toughness characteristic of the Bodyguard models in that unit, even if a Leader in that unit has a different Toughness characteristic. Each time an attack successfully wounds an Attached unit, that attack cannot be allocated to a Character model inthat unit, even if that Character model has lost one or more wounds or has already had attacks allocated to it this phase. As soon as the last Bodyguard model in an Attached unit has been destroyed, any attacks made against that unit that have yet to be allocated can then be allocated to Character models in that
unit…”
Unless your unit was being hit by precision, you go off of the bodyguard unit( being the aggressors) defensive profile on the data sheet when tanking damage. T6, Sv3+, 3W.
There is no 2+ save, 4++, or 4+FNP on the aggressor data sheet. Also, when reading calgar’s datasheet, you are only getting your FNP when you are taking damage on the victrix honor guard models.
Again, calgar’s model and data sheet is pretty damned cool. But he doesn’t offer anything to the aggressors/ apothecary combo, that can help them accomplish their mission( which in this case is a sort of deep strike heavy damage combo). I would drop him unless you are playing casually and try to fit in a redemptor instead.
*KEEP VENTRIS IN YOUR LIST AS WELL*
@@HighMarshalBiggusDickus that's what I am saying. First 3 wounds taken on a victrix
(2+,4++). Then you start taking them on Calgar (2+, 4++) and a 4+ feel no pain. Then start taking them on the last victrix guard until he dies. It's a lot of wounds you can shake off before taking anything on the aggressors themselves.
I like this unit, I typically plant them in a Redeemer, I feel I get a ton more value from the Redeemer compared to the Captain. It’s a great combo, that considering all the hoops I have to go to to get it to work, then it folds to anti-elite or anti-light tank, or weapons with anti-infantry shooting I have found my opponents don’t mind it. It hits hard, some finesse is required to kill it, but once you know what works it does die.
I disagree with your enhancements choice for the Captain and Biologis combo. If you take both, the Biologis should get the Artificer Armor, and the Captain should get Bolter Discipline. In your example, your opponent will just kill off your Biologis, neutering the squads ability to punch up in shooting. With mine it’s a lot harder to kill the Biologis, the Captain is tough already, and even if either die, the squad can still punch up, though not as well.
Surprised you didn't mention Uriel to give them deepstrike. (unless I missed it.)
You just taught me that I can’t include iron father with the biologis. Damn.
What do you think of using them with Deathwatch and the SIA strats, either by themselves or in an Indomitus KT?
Is this better than a Primaris Lieutenant with Bolter Discipline + Hellblastsers? I can run either and I've had very good results with the Hellblasters.
I’m trying this combo on a Lt for proteus kill team to see if its a vibe for Deathwatch
Nice breakdown. You forgot Iron Father Ferros though and I think he can bring a lot to this unit both offensively and defensively.
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problem with Ferrios is you can't take the Biologus. I think he's better with a squad of heavy intercessors and a Ballistus Dread in the back field or holding a point . he's great tho I love him 🤣
@@TacticalTortoiseAnd now I feel like an idiot. Nevermind my previous comment nothing to see here 🙃
Plus a hailstrike is kinda nutty
I love all these comments trying to correct mistakes but they are just straight wrong 😂😂.
Awesome video Trevy. Don’t listen to all of these dummies.
I couldnt possibly care less about this topic. But i guess ill watch it to support trevy
Who is now apparently a real person with feelings
hoping we get at least 3 months out of this unit.
Real question.....what was that model used for the demon prince in the Objective Cntrl ad haha. Amazing model!!!
Yuuuup currently getting two squads to go with Calgar and the biologis with Bolter discipline
I love my aggressor models and hope they get better :D
Can the unit get the adaptive strategy stratagem while being inside a transport in the command phase?
No, they can't. That's the real problem
There grenade launchers vs a blob of 20 infantry gets 6d6 + 24 attacks for an average of 45 attacks.
I’m new to Warhammer but I thought you can only increase any stat once? As in if the ap is getting buffed one from their ability I didn’t think you could buff it again with anything else?
Wondering why they're the only powerfist in the marine codex to be hitting on 4s...🤔
Maybe to reflect they have bolters or flamers strapped to those power fists?
Why does Calgar get pistol on his power fist mounted bolters but the aggressors don’t?
You can do the same with a dark angel terminator command squad with lieutenant
They have Deep strike, delete a unit on shooting and charge another unit with 8+ for maximum obliteration
How can you target the aggressor with the adaptive stratagem if they are in a land raider or in deep strike? Are you telling me that you want to play them on foot?
Target unit in army.
@@MrDMSir embarked unit cannot be targeted as per rules
@@MrRiccardo6 they are still in the army and the strat says in the army so idk might need an errata. Embarked units are not on the battlefield but still in the army. RAW works
Hang on now has aggressors never really been a dedicated melee unit in practice
Thisll be irrelevant as soon as the oaths nerf comes lol
Nah, it won't affect Aggressors much since they have inbuilt wound rerolls from Twin Linked. Also since you're leaning on lethals you care less about wound rolls anyway
Oath will make the Fragstorm launchers slightly worse but other than that these will work the exact same way regardless
So does each model with boltstorm gauntlets get 3 shots or 6?
3. I think he's counting the grenade launchers?
3 from the boltstorms+d6 from the grenades
Damn what happened to the mustache?!
Everyone has been saying Oath is getting Nerfed, allowing players to only re-roll hits…has that changed?
Oath of Moment, according to the Gladius Task Force detachment gives reroll To-Hit & reroll To-Wound. (Combat Patrol Oath of Moment is only To-Hit) When the new SM Codex arrives, Oath of Moment will change to be same as the Combat Patrol version, only giving a reroll To-Hit.
@@jonmattison3939just a slight nitpick. It isn't the gladius detachment that gives Oaths. Cause Oaths is the faction rule.
Do you get it regardless of which detachment you choose.
@@XealotCoils You are correct, But the written rules for oath of moment are found in the gladius attachment, unless they are also reprinted in the sub detachments.
@@jonmattison3939 well they're printed in the index in a separate section to the gladius detachment.
Unfortunately Grav cap can’t make storm of fire free after the nerf since its not battle tactics
Might want to check that one again my d00d
@@TacticalTortoise oh wait sorry brother you are right, it’s just a different color for a diff phase! Rad
i thought they were only good for their power fists
Mostly what's glued to the power fists
They called me a madman when I started doing this about 3 months ago. And now it's everywhere cause someone saw this and thought this would be disgusting in Gladius
For reference I play space wolves champions Detachment and I just spam lethal hit into my list
3 months ago it was just better on Desolators
but now they're way worse it's good here :)
@TacticalTortoise didn't have em, I just so happen to like aggressors and my list is just a spam of lethal list even now.
Apothecary biogris and gravis captain
Urik the slayer and primaris Lt
Logan grimnar and terminator battle leader
Battle leader on thunder wolf
Bjorn
Remember that you can only jump into dev doctrine if you are in a doctine "Instead of any other combat doctrine" so you switch doctrine not jum into another one if your are on a saving round
Wrong.
how so? if you read the ability it states that you can select another doctrin than the one you are in. since you can only bee in a doctrin 3/5 rounds you can´t use it in 2/5 rounds
@@MrRiccardo6
@@cristofferschnelzer443 select a doctrine, full stop. That combat doctrine is active instead of any other combat doctrine that is active, full stop. The "instead of any other combat doctrine that is active" is the effect, not the requirement you need to activate the strat. You can always activate the strat and gain this effet: " you are in this doctrine instead of any other doctrine", "no doctrinex is counted as "any other doctrine". This is how the majority of the community usually play this stratagem. Someone corrects me if I am wrong.
Sorry for the bad english
@@cristofferschnelzer443 Otherwise the rule would state that a Doctrine must be active to utilize the Stratagem, which it does not.
Clear as always with gw rules :). you are probably right@@MrRiccardo6
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