On the question of why Louise would choose to have the baby even though she knows Hannah will eventually get a disease and die: It's because she's choosing to experience all the joy and love that she will have with the child for 12 or so years before she dies, rather than just giving up all of the good times and having her daughter NEVER exist just to spare herself the grief. She's accepting the emotional pain at the end in exchange for all the good that comes before it. Think of it this way: Imagine, Wadumin, if you had a psychic vision today and found out that Anita will get hit by a bus and die 5 years from now. Would you break up with her today in order to save yourself the pain of eventually losing her? Or would you spend every day appreciating the time you have together, even more than you would have otherwise, knowing that your time together will be limited? Now, take that to another level: Imagine you had that same psychic vision about Anita's eventual death back before you started dating. Knowing she will eventually die, would you choose to never start dating her and give up all the good times and love that you've had since then just to avoid the pain of losing her years from now? She'd still die from the bus accident eventually but you would be giving up the love that you have, the memories that you've made together, and robbing her of her own love and memories before she dies. Tbh, it would be a selfish choice to give up all the good beforehand just to avoid the pain at the end (imo). The truth of the matter is that we all have tragic endings. Everyone dies. Some people will die from disease, some from accidents, some from violence, and some from natural causes and old age. And we never know when or how it's going to happen. Either way, knowing or not knowing when/how each person will die doesn't change the fact that everyone you know will die eventually. Both of you will eventually die and, most likely, one of you will die before the other. Knowing this, should you break up right now so the surviving partner can avoid the pain of the eventual loss? The message of Louise's choice in the movie is that spending and cherishing the time we have with another person is more important than saving ourselves grief by staying separate from them just because we know they will eventually be gone. The bigger message of the movie is that life is made up of both joy and pain. Would you give up all the joy just to avoid the pain? Or is it better to accept the pain so that you can also experience the joy? And, if you give up both, are you even really living? Or are you just existing? Also, as sad as it will be for Louise to lose Hannah at a young age, imagine how much sadder it would be for her if Hannah never existed at all. Especially if she still "remembered" that Hannah could have existed but chose not to have her. The only argument against this is maybe that Louise would be saving Hannah the pain of the disease and dying early. But she'd also be robbing her of her entire existence before then, so... y'know... that's a big, difficult-to-answer question. That would be more like if you had a psychic vision and knew that YOU were going to be hit by a bus and die next week. Then an alien with a time-machine shows up and gives you the choice to either (a) finish out your life and die early as predicted, OR (b) to never have been born. Which would you choose?
Very interesting, this stuff is so deep and we could talk about it for days hahah, and I definitely see your point, my question is if i knew Anita would die one day, well of course I'd choose to be with her anyways but maybe i could stop her from going out that day so she wouldn't be hit by a car? Or like if i could see whatever that was gonna happen to her, I'd just protect her from that? Lol it's a little bit tricky for me but i still absolutely loved the concept and the massages of this film, thanks for watching my friend ❤
@@waduminyou cannot change what is already going to happen...and that's the point. No matter the choice you make the result will have consequences. If you haven't watched Time Machine (2002). Watch that and you will gain that insight into your reply then apply it to what you've said.
My favorite part was when the wife told her husband "I forgot how good it felt to be held by you" even though it was their first hug together but she missed it since in the future they didn't end up together.
Given that it wasnt pointed out yet in the comments: The generals wife last words were "in war there are no winners, only widows" and her phone call to the general roughly translates into "General your wife contacted me in my dreams, in war there are no winners only widows, General you need to listen to me, stop the attack"
I've seen several reactions where they didn't get the twist about Louise seeing the future and all the flashbacks being flash-forwards, even by the end of the film. But you got it! Very satisfying to watch!
One of the best films from this millenia. The whole alien encounter is just a back story. Just ultimate shout out for life - with all it's joys and sorrows.
The whole concept of knowing that something will end in horrible pain/loss, but choosing it anyway because of all of the joy it will bring in the meantime, is the most beautiful exploration of what it means to be human I’ve seen in film. God I adore this movie.
I would have left her too. She knew what she knew and made a decision that would affect the rest of her life. But she never gave her husband that same choice. She never revealed what she knew to him and therefore she deprived him of that same choice. That was selfish and dishonest of her.
The musical piece you enjoyed is On The Nature of Daylight by Max Richter. It was composed prior to the movie. It wasn’t composed for any particular movie or show, but it has been used in several.
Great reaction. Did you notice, in the beginning when Ian first meets Louise, he quotes her book when he says that language is the first "weapon" drawn in a conflict.
You asked if you knew your future would you change anything, even though you know the outcome will end badly. The answer is like that poem by Tennyson… “It is better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all.” That is what she had to think about when she knew if she had Hannah, she will die of cancer. Then lose her husband when she finally tells him that she knew Hannah would die in the future, and she knew it all those years ago. What a brain twister!! And those are two of the most famous actor around. I wanted to see it because of Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye in the Avenger series.) Amy Adams has been nominated for 6 Oscars and Forrest Whittaker has won an Oscar. Pretty stellar cast!
I think an aspect a lot of people get caught up on is that they view this as Louis seeing future events, which would mean that time is still linear. However, with the Heptapod language time is no longer linear for Louis. Time, and the passage of time as we know it is no longer a construct her brain relies on to order events. Louis is not having visions she is experiencing all the events of her life at the same time in no particular order. As far as Louis Brain is concerned she experienced the following events in this 'order' : Louis grabs that sat phone, Louis meets the Chinese General and sees his phone number, louis calls the Chinese General, Louis hears and repeats the last words of the Chinese leaders wife to the General - for the General those two events are separated linearly by 18 months; for Louis those events happen at the same time. An argument can be made that the movie indicates that events in Louis Life are not connected by other additional factors, such as key words, language, and strong emotions. And example being that the meeting where Ian says the word 'zero sum gain' Informs Louis with her daughter of the correct term Hannah was looking for. For Ian, those events would be separated by years, for Louis those events are happening simultaneously or right next to each other because they have relative significance.
The bird is a canary. Back in the day, miners would bring canaries into the mines with them as a warning for toxic gasses. The birds are more sensitive to the gasses than humans are so they would get before the people did, giving them a warning to get out of the mine.
loved your guys reaction! to the plot of the film: I think you cant really change stuff, like amy told him "ive forgotten how it feld to be hugged by you" when she first hugged him. when you learn the language you just know everything that will happen and you can see your whole life. as far as i know the original material even hints at that you cant actually change anything. instead of reading a word from start to finish you instantly just see the word as a whole, same goes for your life. keep the reactions coming
I don't know if the source material says anything about it (bc I never read the book), but the way I interpret the alien ships fading out at the end is that they're leaving our time. Imagine if you and I were standing in a room at 5:00pm. Then you continue on to 5:01pm in our usual minute-at-a-time way of moving through time, but I -- being able to travel in time -- decide to stay at 5:00pm (or skip 5:01pm and jump forward to 5:02pm). From your point of view, I'd appear to vanish. Really, though, I didn't "disappear," I just moved to a different space-time coordinate than the one that you moved to. It's like if I just walk out of the room you're in and into another room, you wouldn't say I disappeared; you'd say I moved elsewhere. If there's any sort of acceleration associated with the aliens' way of travelling, then their leaving our "present moment" could look like fading out and then being gone.
That's literally mind-blowing, i don't know if i want that power lol, thanks for watching ❤
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There are so many little clues to the story early on... My favorite is in the very beginning. The best is when Louise says "I remember moments in the middle" then it cuts to Hannah saying "I love" then cuts immediately to her saying "I hate you!". That's why she ended up having Hannah despite knowing Ian would divorce her. Because Louise had access to the heptapod language she lived in non-linear time. So it's the moments in the middle that really count. The good and the bad, you have to take it all. Louise experienced it all at once and would never give Hannah up.
"If you could see your life from start to finish, would you change things?" What a stunning realization statement. We'd be better people if we knew the “start” and the “finish”! We'd act on every moment with precision-and use succinct words because time is of the essence. The depth of writing, ingenious editing, the purposeful imagery using cinematography, and supremely rich dialogue have created one of the most significant revelations in a film over the last few decades. “Who is this child” sent shockwaves through me at first watch because you realize they were flash-forwards. This movie still sticks with me and impacts my perspective since seeing it in the theater in 2016. “Despite knowing the journey” (referring to how complicated life can be) has to be the most thought-provoking contemplation on how we view our own trials and tribulations. I was fortunate to meet the film’s cinematographer Bradford Young in 2022 (look him up-you’ll be impressed with his stellar career). I was able to tell him how much this film and its intelligence and symbolism affected me. We’re all in this journey of life together-but on separate paths.
One of the things I have always loved about this movie is how Louise teaches herself how to read the Heptapod language by reading her own book about it that she hasn't written yet.
People saying she was selfish...ponder on this: How it's selfish to allowed a human being come into life and give love and care for this human being for how many years, even knowing that at the end you will be hurt? She is not selfish, she is not doing it for her, he is giving life and love to a human being. We all gonna die, the only difference its she knows exactly when that will happen.
I see it as her making all the choices throughout her life simultaneously, with all the knowledge of all time in her head. She didn't technically "choose" to have her daughter, but she knew that the daughter that was inevitable would have a certain fate.
for Louise having Hannah makes a lot of sense; she gets 14/15 years of her plus she can live in any moment of it at will. its also understandable that ian would be angry that she didn't reveal her knowledge of what was to come. with that information available its fair for him to think she should have disclosed it to him.
Yup... it was the ultimate display of selfishness and dishonesty to not tell him what she knew. After a betrayal of that magnitude, I would have left her too.
When Louis is already perceiving time in non-linear fashion and then she would decide to not have Hannah, it would mean to "delete" all of her memories of her and emotionally it would be like killing her. Thats why it was not a real possibility for her. However Ian didnt have that and felt like her decision to have a child while knowing her death was creating a suffering and that is why he left. It is fantastic movie on soo many levels.
She betrayed him in the worst possible way. The level of dishonesty in what she did to Ian was colossal. I would have left her too... no way I could even look at her after that, never mind live with her.
I love this film because it keeps you on your toes the whole movie with so many plot twists🤯 and you have to pay attention to everything or else the ending won't make sense. I read some of the comments about whether she should or shouldn't have her baby, knowing the outcome of her life. It brings me back to the conversation between Neo and the Oracle. Those who know what I'm talking about. This movie is SO underrated and really gets you in the feels.😢 Thanks for sharing the experience.
Because Hannah would never even exist if she didn't.. imagine dealing with that as she got older. And if she never existed, would louise have been able to learn the laguage? 😕 this is what I love about this film.
Language is not simple. Be thankful the mother tongue was acquired so easily. The faculty of linguistic communication is still debated today. As of 2021, most of the field is as fresh as physics was during the renaissance.
I wish they mentioned that both Abbot and Costello would have known that one would die. Also, I’m always surprised when people ask about the bird. It’s a canary like the metaphor of a canary in a coal mine. Miners used to take caged canaries into the mines because they chirp (a lot). They were an early warning system for carbon monoxide, methane or other toxins in the air. If the canary goes quiet the air is not safe.
See, the way you were discussing possibilities in end is the barrier of how we think and precieves time. On the other hand, they used to convey their language in circular symbols which have no end or beginning, the can see through time at any point but can't change it. They are bound to follow the path. When only Louis had the powers she could use them to learn from future but if everyone had the same power nothing could've been changed. Just like a circular path which we can see all at once and walk in any direction from any point but can't break it.
Miners used to bring small birds with them because birds would go unconscious first when the air in the mine hit a pocket of some gas's without oxygen - the "canary in the coal mine." So they bring the little bird with them because they don't trust the air in the ship.
Since you liked this I think you would appreciate "Predestination". Just as mysterious and just as mind-boggling when the whole story falls into place.
I believe the weapon grants you the ability to see trough time. Not necessarily change the future too much. Everything happened for a reason in the movie. She saves the world because she understands the language first. She also has Hannah because she is just that kind of person who would go trough that. The weapon reveals that everything in fact happens for a reason. What I think backs this theory is that why would the alien suicide to the bomb even when they see the past and the future. The alien was meant to die there for them to give the language.
This movie has a complex perspective on free will. My interpretation is that there is in fact free will, but that doesn’t mean that you can change your future decisions. If Louise can see the future and she sees herself having Hannah, if she then decides not to have her, then she didn’t see the future, did she? To paraphrase The Matrix, “you’ve already made the choice, now you have to understand why you made it.” The decisions in the future can’t be changed any more than you can change a decision from your past, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t have free will when you did (or will) make that choice. Granted Louise’s hypothetical “would you change anything” makes it sound like a possibility, and there’s all kinds of other paradoxes in this movie, but that’s my perspective on it!
It actually does mean that there is no free will. Louise will ALWAYS choose to have Hannah, because that's just what Louise DOES... Through her 30 or whatever years, no matter what happens she will want to have Hannah because THAT'S WHO LOUISE IS!!! You might say she "chooses" to have Hannah but that choice is just an illusion. Hannah is simply the cause and effect of Louise's life. Like how a pot of water will boil if you heat it enough. Does the pot of water have "free will"?
There are so much foreshadowing of what is going on if you watch again. Near the start when Ian is reading from her book, there is a quote about language being the first weapon in war. So it ties to them using give weapon, to mean giving their language.
If she "chose" not to have Hannah when exactly would the memories of her unborn daughter leave her mind? Would she suddenly just forget that she existed? If you think about it like this you quickly discover she didn't actually have a choice. The fact that she has future memories of her daughter implies that she must have the child or else she would have never had those memories in the first place.
Another amazing film, I love it, and once again, I loved your reaction, it was like watch it for the first time with you. You are absolutely charming and nice, I felt like watching a movie with friends. Keep that spirit guys, you both are great. Love from Argentina 🇦🇷❤
Did you both learn nothing from Interstellar? Even knowing the future results in the same outcome. Knowing the past results in the same outcome or gives you the clues to do what needs to happen whether you know it or not. Louise chose to still have her daughter because having kids is an immeasurable experience. Even knowing the outcome of her daughters death and her divorce from Ian. We only live once and to know the love and experience you gain from a bearing children makes life worth it for some people. It makes the pain of loss bearable.
One of my all-time favorite films... Truly remarkable in it's conception, direction, acting, effects, script... just brilliant. Since you love this film, here's some others that are remarkable in their own way... they all feature great stories, dialogue, direction, acting, and effects and you'll never forget any of them: CHILDREN OF MEN, PLEASANTVILLE, AMELIE, STRANGER THAN FICTION... these four films are truly hidden gems worth seeing. Great reaction to this film and I'm subscribing! Looking forward to more! Cheers!
Unbelievable amazing movie, i saw it in the cinema. Ur reaction is awsome.. in the cinema stand up after 10 minutes watching , walking out, after the half of the movie about 10 people and just the movie ended another 10, they all didnt came back😂😂😂, they all didnt get the story of the movie.🤣🤣🤣. This is not a joke!
I think you understand Ian's point of view about why he was upset and left her. But it wasn't just their pain he was concerned with. It was putting Hannah though that suffering. Louise saw it differently. Yes Hannah was going to suffer and so would they but does that mean that she should never be born and experience all the love her parents had for her? We all die. Suffering is a part of life. Everyone experiences it at some level. That's no reason to wish you were never born.
A. Watch it again, what’s incredible is every time you watch it you catch new things, let’s just say EVERY frame has a purpose. B. Read about Determinism, as that will help you ground the story. She chooses to embrace the future (as does Costello who knew he was going to die from the bomb) even though she knows because that is her character, and ideally the hope is in this is what “the universe” wants to happen, for the human race to continue. Incredible movie and the short story which this based on, The Story of My Life by Ted Chiang, is maybe even better.
My take, her husband did not leave her because he could not countenance the future, rather he had to wonder about the mental health if his wife....if my parter told me she knew what was going to happen, I might think she had lost her mind.
Would you unwish your loved one after living their life with them? Solely to spare them the pain of life and the certainty of death? But they are facing the certainty of death. To be born is to be doomed to die. As an infant or a 99 year old, in peace or pain, they will die. So if you unwish them, every moment of light and love is erased like it never happened. No more pain. You're safe...and still going to die.
I love this movie. You have to rewatch this movie... is it even much more amazing for the second time and you will catch so many hidden details. Like this movie is actually Louise telling the whole story... but when you are watching the movie for the first time you do not catch this. BTW. that bird (the skylark) was used for centuries as a detector of dangerous gasses in mines. That's why they had one too. If you want to watch some other amazing alien movie, I highly recommend you to watch District 9.
I don’t think he left her because of the daughter’s illness. When he told Her she “made the wrong choice” it wasn’t that she chose to still have a baby with him, it was that she didn’t share what she knew with him. He didn’t understand the language fully at that point like she did. Just my interpretation.
I sincerely thank you for your reaction to Arrival. It seemed truly heartfelt. But can I gently encourage you to get better microphones for your reactions? You both sound like you are in an echo chamber. Better microphones positioned closer to your mouths will connect you more intimately with your audience. Your videos will immediately become more personal and engaging. It will also help to grow your channel and make you sound more professional! That said, I look forward to hearing more of your reactions!
As you loved this film then you will definitely love a film called..The Red Violin 🎻 staring Samuel L Jackson!! I know that the both of you will love it as much as I do ok!!👏🙌🙏👍🎉
It's so sad. Well, I really don't understand that why is your channel getting copyright strike on posting bollywood reactions. I think you are also familiar with some famous Americans channels who made their channels especially for Indian and bollywood reactions.Why are they not getting any copyright strike ?
I'm late, 6 months after your reaction of Arrival, but I hope that you can see my comment . You should whatch more Denis Villeneuve films : Prisoners, Sicario, Blade Runner 2049, and Dune 1& 2.
I do not mean to introduce a devisive religious tone, but this movie reminds me of how Jesus went forward toward his death, fully knowing what was before him.
You asked if you knew your future would you change anything, even though you know the outcome will end badly. The answer is like that poem by Tennyson… “It is better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all.” That is what she had to think about when she knew if she had Hannah, she will die of cancer. Then lose her husband when she finally tells him that she knew Hannah would die in the future, and she knew it all those years ago. What a brain twister!! And those are two of the most famous actor around. I wanted to see it because of Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye in the Avenger series.) Amy Adams has been nominated for 6 Oscars and Forrest Whittaker has won an Oscar. Pretty stellar cast!
On the question of why Louise would choose to have the baby even though she knows Hannah will eventually get a disease and die: It's because she's choosing to experience all the joy and love that she will have with the child for 12 or so years before she dies, rather than just giving up all of the good times and having her daughter NEVER exist just to spare herself the grief. She's accepting the emotional pain at the end in exchange for all the good that comes before it.
Think of it this way: Imagine, Wadumin, if you had a psychic vision today and found out that Anita will get hit by a bus and die 5 years from now. Would you break up with her today in order to save yourself the pain of eventually losing her? Or would you spend every day appreciating the time you have together, even more than you would have otherwise, knowing that your time together will be limited?
Now, take that to another level: Imagine you had that same psychic vision about Anita's eventual death back before you started dating. Knowing she will eventually die, would you choose to never start dating her and give up all the good times and love that you've had since then just to avoid the pain of losing her years from now? She'd still die from the bus accident eventually but you would be giving up the love that you have, the memories that you've made together, and robbing her of her own love and memories before she dies. Tbh, it would be a selfish choice to give up all the good beforehand just to avoid the pain at the end (imo).
The truth of the matter is that we all have tragic endings. Everyone dies. Some people will die from disease, some from accidents, some from violence, and some from natural causes and old age. And we never know when or how it's going to happen. Either way, knowing or not knowing when/how each person will die doesn't change the fact that everyone you know will die eventually. Both of you will eventually die and, most likely, one of you will die before the other. Knowing this, should you break up right now so the surviving partner can avoid the pain of the eventual loss? The message of Louise's choice in the movie is that spending and cherishing the time we have with another person is more important than saving ourselves grief by staying separate from them just because we know they will eventually be gone.
The bigger message of the movie is that life is made up of both joy and pain. Would you give up all the joy just to avoid the pain? Or is it better to accept the pain so that you can also experience the joy? And, if you give up both, are you even really living? Or are you just existing?
Also, as sad as it will be for Louise to lose Hannah at a young age, imagine how much sadder it would be for her if Hannah never existed at all. Especially if she still "remembered" that Hannah could have existed but chose not to have her.
The only argument against this is maybe that Louise would be saving Hannah the pain of the disease and dying early. But she'd also be robbing her of her entire existence before then, so... y'know... that's a big, difficult-to-answer question. That would be more like if you had a psychic vision and knew that YOU were going to be hit by a bus and die next week. Then an alien with a time-machine shows up and gives you the choice to either (a) finish out your life and die early as predicted, OR (b) to never have been born. Which would you choose?
Which makes her selfish
because her arrival is more important than her departure 😢
Very interesting, this stuff is so deep and we could talk about it for days hahah, and I definitely see your point, my question is if i knew Anita would die one day, well of course I'd choose to be with her anyways but maybe i could stop her from going out that day so she wouldn't be hit by a car? Or like if i could see whatever that was gonna happen to her, I'd just protect her from that? Lol it's a little bit tricky for me but i still absolutely loved the concept and the massages of this film, thanks for watching my friend ❤
@@waduminyou cannot change what is already going to happen...and that's the point. No matter the choice you make the result will have consequences.
If you haven't watched Time Machine (2002). Watch that and you will gain that insight into your reply then apply it to what you've said.
@@An-Alien-On-Earth but killing the bhaby doesn't make her selfish? Life should always be.
The bird was used in mining to make sure there is enough oxygen and no harmful gasses, the bird would die first and alert them.
Gen X have no idea of this, or anything else for that matter
@An-Alien-On-Earth they aren't X. X is 1965 to 1980. They are millennial most likely
@@An-Alien-On-Earthand as an 1978 X gen, I did know this from the saying "like a canary in a coal mine"
I seee, thanks for letting us know ❤️
Known as "the canary in the coal mine".
My favorite part was when the wife told her husband "I forgot how good it felt to be held by you" even though it was their first hug together but she missed it since in the future they didn't end up together.
Yup, really loved the way all of it was put together, thanks for watching ❤
The movie is about Hannah's arrival. The aliens was just a part of it. One of the best movies of the last 25 years hands down.
It was amazing, thanks for watching Wade ❤
Given that it wasnt pointed out yet in the comments: The generals wife last words were "in war there are no winners, only widows"
and her phone call to the general roughly translates into "General your wife contacted me in my dreams, in war there are no winners only widows, General you need to listen to me, stop the attack"
We know
Loved that part, thanks for watching ❤
"I forgot how good it felt to be held by you", when it is the first time he has ever held her. Love that line. It explains the whole movie.
I've seen several reactions where they didn't get the twist about Louise seeing the future and all the flashbacks being flash-forwards, even by the end of the film. But you got it! Very satisfying to watch!
@@An-Alien-On-Earth have some faith in humanity LOL
Ayy thanks for watching ❤
My goodness! I can't imagine going through life and being that dumb. I hope you've unsubscribed from all those channels.
"I forgot how good it felt to be held like you." Best line.
That really hit different, thanks for watching ❤
One of the best films from this millenia. The whole alien encounter is just a back story. Just ultimate shout out for life - with all it's joys and sorrows.
The whole concept of knowing that something will end in horrible pain/loss, but choosing it anyway because of all of the joy it will bring in the meantime, is the most beautiful exploration of what it means to be human I’ve seen in film. God I adore this movie.
I would have left her too. She knew what she knew and made a decision that would affect the rest of her life. But she never gave her husband that same choice. She never revealed what she knew to him and therefore she deprived him of that same choice. That was selfish and dishonest of her.
The musical piece you enjoyed is On The Nature of Daylight by Max Richter. It was composed prior to the movie. It wasn’t composed for any particular movie or show, but it has been used in several.
It's just such a beautiful art piece
Great reaction. Did you notice, in the beginning when Ian first meets Louise, he quotes her book when he says that language is the first "weapon" drawn in a conflict.
Yess definitely gonna rewatch the movie to catch all the details, thanks for watching ❤
She gave her daughters a life, that was short, but in reality, all life is short.
this movie showed that it is not always necessary for the aliens to be bad or to destroy earth, they can be good
Yess and i loved that about it
You asked if you knew your future would you change anything, even though you know the outcome will end badly. The answer is like that poem by Tennyson… “It is better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all.” That is what she had to think about when she knew if she had Hannah, she will die of cancer. Then lose her husband when she finally tells him that she knew Hannah would die in the future, and she knew it all those years ago. What a brain twister!!
And those are two of the most famous actor around. I wanted to see it because of Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye in the Avenger series.)
Amy Adams has been nominated for 6 Oscars and Forrest Whittaker has won an Oscar. Pretty stellar cast!
I think an aspect a lot of people get caught up on is that they view this as Louis seeing future events, which would mean that time is still linear. However, with the Heptapod language time is no longer linear for Louis. Time, and the passage of time as we know it is no longer a construct her brain relies on to order events. Louis is not having visions she is experiencing all the events of her life at the same time in no particular order. As far as Louis Brain is concerned she experienced the following events in this 'order' : Louis grabs that sat phone, Louis meets the Chinese General and sees his phone number, louis calls the Chinese General, Louis hears and repeats the last words of the Chinese leaders wife to the General - for the General those two events are separated linearly by 18 months; for Louis those events happen at the same time.
An argument can be made that the movie indicates that events in Louis Life are not connected by other additional factors, such as key words, language, and strong emotions. And example being that the meeting where Ian says the word 'zero sum gain' Informs Louis with her daughter of the correct term Hannah was looking for. For Ian, those events would be separated by years, for Louis those events are happening simultaneously or right next to each other because they have relative significance.
Surprised how fast you noticed the music from SutterIsland,it's also in the The Last Of Us episode 3.
Omg yesss, it's such a beautiful music
@@wadumin It's called "On the nature of daylight" - Max Richter
The bird is a canary. Back in the day, miners would bring canaries into the mines with them as a warning for toxic gasses. The birds are more sensitive to the gasses than humans are so they would get before the people did, giving them a warning to get out of the mine.
loved your guys reaction!
to the plot of the film:
I think you cant really change stuff, like amy told him "ive forgotten how it feld to be hugged by you" when she first hugged him. when you learn the language you just know everything that will happen and you can see your whole life. as far as i know the original material even hints at that you cant actually change anything. instead of reading a word from start to finish you instantly just see the word as a whole, same goes for your life.
keep the reactions coming
pretty sure the music was created before Arrival (it was in shutter Island which came out 6 years before arrival) but I'm not 100%
@@kevinprzy4539 yea but thats why they wanted that soundtrack for the film, because it fits the no end no beginning theme
Ayy thanks for watching and the explanation, much love ❤️😍
I don't know if the source material says anything about it (bc I never read the book), but the way I interpret the alien ships fading out at the end is that they're leaving our time. Imagine if you and I were standing in a room at 5:00pm. Then you continue on to 5:01pm in our usual minute-at-a-time way of moving through time, but I -- being able to travel in time -- decide to stay at 5:00pm (or skip 5:01pm and jump forward to 5:02pm). From your point of view, I'd appear to vanish. Really, though, I didn't "disappear," I just moved to a different space-time coordinate than the one that you moved to. It's like if I just walk out of the room you're in and into another room, you wouldn't say I disappeared; you'd say I moved elsewhere. If there's any sort of acceleration associated with the aliens' way of travelling, then their leaving our "present moment" could look like fading out and then being gone.
That's literally mind-blowing, i don't know if i want that power lol, thanks for watching ❤
There are so many little clues to the story early on... My favorite is in the very beginning. The best is when Louise says "I remember moments in the middle" then it cuts to Hannah saying "I love" then cuts immediately to her saying "I hate you!". That's why she ended up having Hannah despite knowing Ian would divorce her. Because Louise had access to the heptapod language she lived in non-linear time. So it's the moments in the middle that really count. The good and the bad, you have to take it all. Louise experienced it all at once and would never give Hannah up.
"If you could see your life from start to finish, would you change things?" What a stunning realization statement. We'd be better people if we knew the “start” and the “finish”! We'd act on every moment with precision-and use succinct words because time is of the essence.
The depth of writing, ingenious editing, the purposeful imagery using cinematography, and supremely rich dialogue have created one of the most significant revelations in a film over the last few decades. “Who is this child” sent shockwaves through me at first watch because you realize they were flash-forwards. This movie still sticks with me and impacts my perspective since seeing it in the theater in 2016. “Despite knowing the journey” (referring to how complicated life can be) has to be the most thought-provoking contemplation on how we view our own trials and tribulations.
I was fortunate to meet the film’s cinematographer Bradford Young in 2022 (look him up-you’ll be impressed with his stellar career). I was able to tell him how much this film and its intelligence and symbolism affected me. We’re all in this journey of life together-but on separate paths.
One of the things I have always loved about this movie is how Louise teaches herself how to read the Heptapod language by reading her own book about it that she hasn't written yet.
People saying she was selfish...ponder on this:
How it's selfish to allowed a human being come into life and give love and care for this human being for how many years, even knowing that at the end you will be hurt?
She is not selfish, she is not doing it for her, he is giving life and love to a human being.
We all gonna die, the only difference its she knows exactly when that will happen.
I see it as her making all the choices throughout her life simultaneously, with all the knowledge of all time in her head. She didn't technically "choose" to have her daughter, but she knew that the daughter that was inevitable would have a certain fate.
I see, it's just mind-blowing, thanks for watching ❤
for Louise having Hannah makes a lot of sense; she gets 14/15 years of her plus she can live in any moment of it at will. its also understandable that ian would be angry that she didn't reveal her knowledge of what was to come. with that information available its fair for him to think she should have disclosed it to him.
Yup... it was the ultimate display of selfishness and dishonesty to not tell him what she knew. After a betrayal of that magnitude, I would have left her too.
one of the best reactions of this movie ...I saw almost all reactions
This is ideal science fiction, it makes you think and ask questions. Thank you.
The aliens also had to make a sacrifice (the death of Abbott) knowing it would occur to make history happen.
When Louis is already perceiving time in non-linear fashion and then she would decide to not have Hannah, it would mean to "delete" all of her memories of her and emotionally it would be like killing her. Thats why it was not a real possibility for her. However Ian didnt have that and felt like her decision to have a child while knowing her death was creating a suffering and that is why he left. It is fantastic movie on soo many levels.
She betrayed him in the worst possible way. The level of dishonesty in what she did to Ian was colossal. I would have left her too... no way I could even look at her after that, never mind live with her.
I love this film because it keeps you on your toes the whole movie with so many plot twists🤯 and you have to pay attention to everything or else the ending won't make sense. I read some of the comments about whether she should or shouldn't have her baby, knowing the outcome of her life. It brings me back to the conversation between Neo and the Oracle. Those who know what I'm talking about. This movie is SO underrated and really gets you in the feels.😢 Thanks for sharing the experience.
LOL It's a terrible film, the worst of the last 20 years.
Because Hannah would never even exist if she didn't.. imagine dealing with that as she got older.
And if she never existed, would louise have been able to learn the laguage? 😕 this is what I love about this film.
There was only one child. The one she sees in the future
Language is not simple. Be thankful the mother tongue was acquired so easily. The faculty of linguistic communication is still debated today. As of 2021, most of the field is as fresh as physics was during the renaissance.
I wish they mentioned that both Abbot and Costello would have known that one would die. Also, I’m always surprised when people ask about the bird. It’s a canary like the metaphor of a canary in a coal mine. Miners used to take caged canaries into the mines because they chirp (a lot). They were an early warning system for carbon monoxide, methane or other toxins in the air. If the canary goes quiet the air is not safe.
"I thought they were gonna talk in persian"
And the award for the most WTF comment by a YT reactor goes to... :D
As a divorced parent to young kids, the ending absolutely wrecks me every time.
See, the way you were discussing possibilities in end is the barrier of how we think and precieves time. On the other hand, they used to convey their language in circular symbols which have no end or beginning, the can see through time at any point but can't change it. They are bound to follow the path. When only Louis had the powers she could use them to learn from future but if everyone had the same power nothing could've been changed. Just like a circular path which we can see all at once and walk in any direction from any point but can't break it.
Wow, this is why i loved this film so much
"They save them!!" :O" JAJAJA best reaction ever, I love it, i was like that first time!
Thanks for watching ❤️😁
Miners used to bring small birds with them because birds would go unconscious first when the air in the mine hit a pocket of some gas's without oxygen - the "canary in the coal mine." So they bring the little bird with them because they don't trust the air in the ship.
I seee, thanks for letting us know ❤
Since you liked this I think you would appreciate "Predestination". Just as mysterious and just as mind-boggling when the whole story falls into place.
I believe the weapon grants you the ability to see trough time. Not necessarily change the future too much. Everything happened for a reason in the movie. She saves the world because she understands the language first. She also has Hannah because she is just that kind of person who would go trough that. The weapon reveals that everything in fact happens for a reason. What I think backs this theory is that why would the alien suicide to the bomb even when they see the past and the future. The alien was meant to die there for them to give the language.
First time watching you. Gave a thumbs up 25 minutes in. Thanks.
This movie has a complex perspective on free will. My interpretation is that there is in fact free will, but that doesn’t mean that you can change your future decisions. If Louise can see the future and she sees herself having Hannah, if she then decides not to have her, then she didn’t see the future, did she?
To paraphrase The Matrix, “you’ve already made the choice, now you have to understand why you made it.” The decisions in the future can’t be changed any more than you can change a decision from your past, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t have free will when you did (or will) make that choice.
Granted Louise’s hypothetical “would you change anything” makes it sound like a possibility, and there’s all kinds of other paradoxes in this movie, but that’s my perspective on it!
I actually really like that 👍
It actually does mean that there is no free will. Louise will ALWAYS choose to have Hannah, because that's just what Louise DOES... Through her 30 or whatever years, no matter what happens she will want to have Hannah because THAT'S WHO LOUISE IS!!! You might say she "chooses" to have Hannah but that choice is just an illusion. Hannah is simply the cause and effect of Louise's life. Like how a pot of water will boil if you heat it enough. Does the pot of water have "free will"?
There are so much foreshadowing of what is going on if you watch again. Near the start when Ian is reading from her book, there is a quote about language being the first weapon in war. So it ties to them using give weapon, to mean giving their language.
Definitely Gonna rewatch it, thanks for watching ❤
If she "chose" not to have Hannah when exactly would the memories of her unborn daughter leave her mind? Would she suddenly just forget that she existed? If you think about it like this you quickly discover she didn't actually have a choice. The fact that she has future memories of her daughter implies that she must have the child or else she would have never had those memories in the first place.
Another amazing film, I love it, and once again, I loved your reaction, it was like watch it for the first time with you. You are absolutely charming and nice, I felt like watching a movie with friends. Keep that spirit guys, you both are great. Love from Argentina 🇦🇷❤
Did you both learn nothing from Interstellar? Even knowing the future results in the same outcome. Knowing the past results in the same outcome or gives you the clues to do what needs to happen whether you know it or not.
Louise chose to still have her daughter because having kids is an immeasurable experience. Even knowing the outcome of her daughters death and her divorce from Ian. We only live once and to know the love and experience you gain from a bearing children makes life worth it for some people. It makes the pain of loss bearable.
It's just absolutely mind-blowing, thanks for watching John ❤
One of my all-time favorite films... Truly remarkable in it's conception, direction, acting, effects, script... just brilliant.
Since you love this film, here's some others that are remarkable in their own way... they all feature great stories, dialogue, direction, acting, and effects and you'll never forget any of them: CHILDREN OF MEN, PLEASANTVILLE, AMELIE, STRANGER THAN FICTION... these four films are truly hidden gems worth seeing. Great reaction to this film and I'm subscribing! Looking forward to more! Cheers!
Unbelievable amazing movie, i saw it in the cinema. Ur reaction is awsome.. in the cinema stand up after 10 minutes watching , walking out, after the half of the movie about 10 people and just the movie ended another 10, they all didnt came back😂😂😂, they all didnt get the story of the movie.🤣🤣🤣. This is not a joke!
2:01 hey Anita you making me jealous ❤😂🤭
Btw love your lovely (jodi)
(Jodi means duo in Hindi)
Lots of love from India ❤
Awww thank u :)❤
Louise should have told Ian before they made baby Hannah. She told him years after.
Just like in the real world the good side is fighting even harder than the evil side. To keep a good outcome.
I think you understand Ian's point of view about why he was upset and left her. But it wasn't just their pain he was concerned with. It was putting Hannah though that suffering.
Louise saw it differently. Yes Hannah was going to suffer and so would they but does that mean that she should never be born and experience all the love her parents had for her?
We all die. Suffering is a part of life. Everyone experiences it at some level. That's no reason to wish you were never born.
That's DEEP, life is a gift and it is filled with both joy and pain ❤
Also- Time is not linear , so it all already happened. She couldn't change it because it already happened.
A. Watch it again, what’s incredible is every time you watch it you catch new things, let’s just say EVERY frame has a purpose. B. Read about Determinism, as that will help you ground the story. She chooses to embrace the future (as does Costello who knew he was going to die from the bomb) even though she knows because that is her character, and ideally the hope is in this is what “the universe” wants to happen, for the human race to continue. Incredible movie and the short story which this based on, The Story of My Life by Ted Chiang, is maybe even better.
We'll definitely do, thanks for watching ❤
WONDERFUL movie!!!
My take, her husband did not leave her because he could not countenance the future, rather he had to wonder about the mental health if his wife....if my parter told me she knew what was going to happen, I might think she had lost her mind.
Would you unwish your loved one after living their life with them? Solely to spare them the pain of life and the certainty of death? But they are facing the certainty of death. To be born is to be doomed to die.
As an infant or a 99 year old, in peace or pain, they will die. So if you unwish them, every moment of light and love is erased like it never happened. No more pain.
You're safe...and still going to die.
I love this movie.
You have to rewatch this movie... is it even much more amazing for the second time and you will catch so many hidden details.
Like this movie is actually Louise telling the whole story... but when you are watching the movie for the first time you do not catch this.
BTW. that bird (the skylark) was used for centuries as a detector of dangerous gasses in mines. That's why they had one too.
If you want to watch some other amazing alien movie, I highly recommend you to watch District 9.
We'll definitely rewatch it, thanks for recommending ❤
I don’t think he left her because of the daughter’s illness. When he told
Her she “made the wrong choice” it wasn’t that she chose to still have a baby with him, it was that she didn’t share what she knew with him. He didn’t understand the language fully at that point like she did. Just my interpretation.
A great choice guys amazing movie one youcnamw watch again and again
I sincerely thank you for your reaction to Arrival. It seemed truly heartfelt. But can I gently encourage you to get better microphones for your reactions? You both sound like you are in an echo chamber. Better microphones positioned closer to your mouths will connect you more intimately with your audience. Your videos will immediately become more personal and engaging. It will also help to grow your channel and make you sound more professional!
That said, I look forward to hearing more of your reactions!
Thanks for your suggestions my friend, yes we'll absolutely try to improve the quality of our videos ❤
Thought that UFO kinda looked like half a chocolate easter egg 😉 this movie is frakkin amazing! ♥
One of the best films of the millennium! dbl ♥
Yesss, Thanks for watching ❤
As you loved this film then you will definitely love a film called..The Red Violin 🎻 staring Samuel L Jackson!! I know that the both of you will love it as much as I do ok!!👏🙌🙏👍🎉
Added, we'll definitely check it out, thanks for watching Michael ❤
@@wadumin Your welcome my friends 😉👍
The director for this prefers to use practical effects, it gives a natural feel to the heptapods and their technology. A lot of fog and stone.
Genius work, thanks for watching ❤
The bird is a canary.
What about your another channel.❤ won't you post vdos there .
pls reply
Not for a while unfortunately
@@wadumin no worries
This movie is phenomenal
Absolutely, thanks for watching ❤
She may choose not to reveal Hannah's death.
It's so sad. Well, I really don't understand that why is your channel getting copyright strike on posting bollywood reactions. I think you are also familiar with some famous Americans channels who made their channels especially for Indian and bollywood reactions.Why are they not getting any copyright strike ?
I've no idea honestly, but it is very sad
I also want an Alien friend 🥲☝🏽
We'll find one for both of us ❤
I'm late, 6 months after your reaction of Arrival, but I hope that you can see my comment . You should whatch more Denis Villeneuve films : Prisoners, Sicario, Blade Runner 2049, and Dune 1& 2.
1. Birdbox
2. Quiet place both part
3. Prometheus
4. alien covenant
I could strongly suggest you to react to movie name mother
Added, we'll definitely check them out ❤
you guys are the BEST 🙂❤
You're the besttt❤
Day 84 of requesting for *Soorarai pottru* , *Kaithi* , *Vikram* and *Leo* (watch in sequence for best experience)
It’s a feel good movie. Evil doesn’t exist. Lol
District 9! 🙏🏼
Added ❤
You guys should react to dune part 1&2 its from the same director
the only movie in my top 5 that's not christopher nolan's is this, another masterpiece.
It was incredible, thanks for watching ❤
You should watch Nimona.
I do not mean to introduce a devisive religious tone, but this movie reminds me of how Jesus went forward toward his death, fully knowing what was before him.
Plz watch Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam movie... it's a masterpiece ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Please react Gerua song Dilwale movie srk🙏🏻💓
Day-:5 of request watching RAILWAY MEN Plzz😢😢😢
Please react to alice in Borderland series
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Awesome reaction
Thanks for watching ❤
Aliens don't exist, we are alone.
Nope, we're NOT Alone 👀
We are aliens dumas
@@monarch1429 Alexandre Dumas? WTH, dunno what that means
@@chocolate-teapot what a shocker LOL
React to ( i ) tamilian movie please ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
no more indian movies bro😢
She wanted to experience her child. Disturbing for you to first question this. It is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all.
It's just mind-blowing and one's gotta think more about it, but yes i absolutely agree with what she did
You asked if you knew your future would you change anything, even though you know the outcome will end badly. The answer is like that poem by Tennyson… “It is better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all.” That is what she had to think about when she knew if she had Hannah, she will die of cancer. Then lose her husband when she finally tells him that she knew Hannah would die in the future, and she knew it all those years ago. What a brain twister!!
And those are two of the most famous actor around. I wanted to see it because of Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye in the Avenger series.)
Amy Adams has been nominated for 6 Oscars and Forrest Whittaker has won an Oscar. Pretty stellar cast!