It's so annoying that the panel tech is really good these days but every manufacturer has some kind of issue with their TVs and it's always related to the soc/processor.
Hey Vincent, I was interested when you directed us to consider a side by side of LG C3, Samsung S90C, and the Sony, but the video you offered doesn't compare the C3 with these. I would love you to do a comprehensive comparison of the S90C and the C3 (and maybe the Sony, if it's not doubling up too much).
Samsung S95B is the same as the Samsung S95C When it comes to picture quality and performance Vinson has already compared the S 98B to Sony‘s master series a 95K Sony is king Go watch that video comparison by Mr. Vinson
Given there are no brightness or screen coating differences, Samsung could and _should_ make firmware adjustments/improvements on the S95B to make them perform like an 'old panel' S90C. I realise that would make buying the early S90C's fairly pointless but that's Samsung's problem, LG make firmware improvements of this sort to their legacy OLEDs for years after the fact. Samsung should be making the improvements between these two models more stark, by not cheaping out and using this year's panel on the S90C as a starter for 10.
True but to be fair LG doesn’t do old model support that much better. They still haven’t fixed auto dimming on the C2. All these TV companies only want to sell you the new model year after year.
@@JohnCarter-rp1hq In contrast to Sony, LG are renowned for supporting and updating their legacy C and especially G series TVs. You're right about the auto-dimming however, that has been a joke, though it's an isolated issue and they do finally appear to be sorting it out. Just to be clear, I'm no LG fanatic and I don't own one. Money no object I'd have a Panasonic. Looking forward to the MZ1500/2000 review.
@@trevhib we’re still waiting for the dimming fix. It’s probably never coming at this point. Like I said most of these TV manufactures don’t like bringing new features to older models. Even Sony won’t be releasing their game bar for 2022 and older TVs, just 2023. LG and Sony do have better track records than Samsung for updates though.
Cheaped out and bought the 65" S95B for CAD2.1k here in Canada. For comparison, the 65" S90C is 3.3k and had an early bird offer for a $100 voucher if you preorder through Samsung.
I set the brightness to 100% (white) on my 55S95b monitor for a total consumption of around 130-140 watts and turned off both peak brightness and contrast enhancement. The temperature stays below 40 degrees with these settings. The reason for the burn-in is the high power density with a 10% window (1000 nits) and thus temperature that cannot be dissipated quickly enough. I use the S95B as a PC monitor.
@@animals7473 those are silly year old rumors. I'd be suprised if samsung is sneaking w-oled panels into their qd oled lineup when they're seemingly not even cheaper
Regarding color gamut settings, in video you said that both have pros and cons. As I understood, DCI-P3 will have worse color gradation and not so wide color gamut, but better accuracy, compared with BT2020. Which option would you suggest for average user who don't want to change settings all the time?
I love the competition Samsung brought to the table with qd-oled! No company can now afford incremental upgrades moving forward. I would expect C4 to have a serious bump in brightness next year.
@@RobertK1993 That is true, but I believe LG can do something to further increase the brightness if they're willing to increase panel thickness: make an LG G3+ with active cooling :)
When are we going to talk about the 83 inc lg g3 that doesn’t have MLA ? Does it make that big of a difference? Is it better to go g2 ? For that size ?
@@mrsittingmongoose yeah but the 83 inch doesn’t have MLA for the g3 that’s why i was wondering how much of a difference it would make from the 83 inch g2 to the 83 inch g3 .
The S90C has the same panel as the S95C as the 55S95b in HDR requires 200 watts and the 55S90C in HDR only 134 watts. However, what can be different compared to the S95C is the reflective coating.
Considering the S95B is close to costing half as much as the S90C, I think that's a bit of a no brainer. If you're willing to spend S90C money, the price increase to the S95C, which WILL get you the panel with less burn in, better performance, better features and better sound may very well be worth it. Bloody shame that they ruined the S90C just to get rid of a couple of panels... and I think it might bite them, because what's the point in the S90C? The S95B is mostly the same TV, in parts it's even better I guess (sound?). It does look better. It is significantly cheaper. And the S90C isn't very compelling, not at the current price. It needs to drop significantly in order to become interesting, even if it had the new panels. But that's going to be lottery, no matter when you buy the TV... you might find old stock. They could charge more for the S90C if it only had the new panel and was fully unlocked. And they'll be wasting their fantastic panels on TVs that have to sell for less because they aren't making use of those panels. Panels they could be selling to a TV maker that could actually make use of them. But yeah. Samsung making hard to understand decisions isn't uncommon, is it? Like with their insistence on not having DV. They could charge more by it having DV, but nope, it's not there. So they are losing sales to Sony or worse LG.
@@animals7473 id doubt it. Idk what they could be using them for. Microled research? Are they gonna just sneak a million w-oled panels into their qd-oled TVs and hope nobody notices? Granted, I wouldnt put it past them, but im doubtful
@@Faisal-SR the comment i was replying to was claiming samsung was using wgrb panels from lg. Unless samsung has an s85c that i havent heard of. And I think theyd much rather push people to their miniled/qdoled tvs where I figure their margins are probably fatter
@@matthewtrebs9738 They buy them at low prices aiming to build a customer base in the oled market They need years to increase production to 3 million qd oled panels
@@Faisal-SR The reports of Samsung buying LG panels was dumb from the get go. They are rivals, and considering how hard Samsung Electronics hit on OLED screens, so much so that they didn't want to use Samsung Displays OLED screens, they really can't use the very panels they kept saying were crap. Besides, QD OLED panels are supposed to be relatively inexpensive to make. And the way the S90C performs makes it very obvious that it uses Samsung and not LG panels.
Well thats what happened to pretty much every single LG C and Sony A80 model ever since their second model released, so I doubt Samsung cared all that much. In fact, making the S90C look bad might turn people face to the S95C which benefits them even more, so...
@Enigma 0: No TV is perfect. At the end of the day, no 2023 sub-flagship OLED TV can outperform the Samsung S90C in these areas: - Wide viewing angles without off-axis pink tint - Clean bright uniformity without colour tinting - No near-black chrominance overshoot artefacts - Most relaxed ABL (HDR peak brightness 1000 nits, full-field 200 nits), contributing to most impactful HDR - High colour luminance natively - 144Hz refresh rate support for high-end PC gamers, on top of four HDMI 2.1 ports, super-low latency (equal with LG), etc. ...which is why we gave it our "Highly Recommended: Best Value" award.
@@hdtvtest Those things definitely do not out-weigh all the things Samsung continues to screw up, more than half of which never even makes it into these reviews. I wish you could dive deeper into everything wrong with samsung tvs, and shame them publicly. That would help us consumers out so much.
@@JorisKeijser Given he was the first person on TH-cam to show Samsung deliberately cheating on display tests last year, I doubt he would leave out any major criticisms on purpose. And even with all of the objective testing, which is incalculably valuable to consumers, he is still a reviewer giving his opinion based on his singular sample unit. I also felt the same way OP did, though.
It is incredibly disappointing that the S90C does not have the new panel / chemistry that the S95C has; the S90C is just the S95B with slightly better processing. The S90C would have been a much more compelling option if it could more closely match the PQ of the S95C.
the 77 s90c uses the new s95c panel because they never made a 77 inch first gen qd-oled panel. i just got a 77 s90c and can confirm its brighter than my 65 a95k (last years Qd-oled)@@SinglerainbowHD
I’m loving my new 65” Qn95b. Going from a bottom of the line HD to this is amazing. Can’t wait till June when I can really see it in action playing FF16.
I think, once the old panel stock goes away, they will use the 2023 QD-OLED panels on S90C. Of course, the brightness will be soft-limited, but the reliability of the new panel is 2x compared to last year (plus energy savings). I wonder whether there is a way to differentiate between the two panels (either with a microscope or in the service menu)
Yes, but how can you make sure to get the new panels? There'll always be old stock floating around, especially considering that you'd have to be rather mentally challenged to buy a S90C at this point. Most in the know will probably be waiting for newer stock, meaning Samsung will be sitting on a ton of S90C for quite a while. And regular buyers will be more attracted to the S95B, which is a lot cheaper. Until it is sold out. I suppose since Samsung will have a hard time selling the S90C, they will have to lower the price quite a bit...
This is a tough one. As we know the 77" has to be using the new deuterium compound, it can't be last year's panel. But the 65" like this, could be. the new compound is a massive selling point making the 65" too much of a purchase risk for me. Unless the screen reflective finish is different on all 2023 panels
Yeah, but will they adjust the 77" to match the 65" in performance? In any case, 77" is just too big for me. Looks like Samsung is out again this year. I'd be willing to overlook the drawbacks, but also having to use the lesser 2022 panel (or a 2023 panel throttled to be like the 2022 panel) just makes it not worth it. Sony is far too expensive. And LG has that dumb green tint that's very obvious to me. Seems like my plasma has to last yet another year, because nothing on the market is worth getting and brands that could create good TVs at reasonable-ish prices stick to LG panels.
@@kadajawi6567 I don't think all the s90c 55" and 65" will use the old panels because there probably isn't enough if them (I may be wrong) I think it will be a mix/lottery like LG did with the other year. I suppose you're right though that they'll have to throttle back performance to the old panel level for parity which means you're not getting the full fat version. If that's the case it'll be disappointing - however there will still be superior durability advantages with the 77" s90c for sure. And if they are rude enough to use the old panel on the s95c they'll be people who'll be very unhappy for sure.
@@lancealex382 I'd say for now they'll only use gen 1 panels, until they run out of them. Then they'll switch to throttled gen 2 panels. However there'll be old stocks floating around, so it will take a long time until buyers can be half way certain to get a new panel. If they didn't have many to begin with and are already producing gen 2 models, this decision would be even dumber. For the S95C I highly doubt that they'll use the old panels, because the TVs wouldn't be able to match specs (and IIRC comparison videos have already shown the superior performance of the S95C). I just wish they had continued producing S95B (even if they call them S85C) until stocks run dry, and went with two gen 2 TVs rather than one for this year.
Well, looks like I get to wait another year before getting a new TV. All of these companies are still skimping on multi-thousand dollar TVs in some area. I already know the A95L will be the TV of the year, but the Pentonic 1000 is a deal breaker. This TV is an S95B V2, which is a deal breaker due to certain audio passthrough limitations and brightness limitations. The G3, while excellent, still uses a panel I personally don't like, but now brighter. A95L is looking great, if Sony can actually get 4 48GB HDMI ports installed. Flagship TVs without all 4 ports being 100% compliant with HDMI 2.1 going forward is unacceptable.
What are the audio limitations? And yeah, same here. The S95B might be worth considering because it's dirt cheap (well, kind of), as sort of a throw away TV for a few years. The S90C isn't compelling at all, because it is bloody expensive considering it's limitations and it being a S95B with an uglier stand. I do not like the LG panels, so most of the market is out (thanks for not adopting QD OLED, Philips and Panasonic!). Sony is going to price the A95L out of reach and will stick to the price tag. Plus I liked the A95K stand, but hated the rest of the design (what's with those nostrils?). Now the A95L is still ugly AND the stands are awful. Great. I do not need 48GB HDMI ports right now, but I feel like whenever I said something like that (my graphics card doesn't need to support 4K gaming...) I almost instantly regret it (by buying a 4K monitor for example). My old TV is 12 years old now, so some future proofing would be nice.
@@MrLehi99Well, you will then have to wait for more than one year. The Pentonic line of chips is a major overhaul of the TV chip line-up of Mediatek. There will not be another major overhaul after just one year. If Mediatek thought this full chip rework does not need to include 4 full bandwidth HDMI 2.1 ports, they will not change their mind suddenly and spend a lot of money again. Of course, I am not in the headquarter of Mediatek, but I am quite sure the newly introduced Pentonic chip line-up will stay at least 2 years. The TV chip market is not that fast-paced as for example the mobile processor market.
Got the S90C anyway, amazing TV for the money, got it for a good deal 55" for 1000€ oh and it's second gen if I wanted to convert to S95C could do that as well but I dont see the need.
Could someone explain to me the nerf deal, besides the fact that they butchered game mode. Rtings tested the S95B on May 13th, 2022 with firmware v 1211, and the 2% and 10% windows in HDR using 'Filmmaker' mode were 1,028 and 1,036 nits respectively. I'm guessing 'Movie' mode would have been higher still. On July 20th, 2022 Rtings put this in their notes: "We retested the peak brightness in HDR with the latest firmware, 1302. The TV no longer produces bright flashes of around 1400 nits in the 'Movie' and 'Game' modes." Is 1302 the nerf many are talking about? Rtings didn't publish 'Movie' mode results outside of this update, and what are "bright flashes"? If they're talking about specular highlights I can see why many owners are upset.
They need to focus on motion. They need to stop driving OLED as if it’s an LCD enough with the sample and hold. Get the brightness up high enough and give that thing a rolling scan like on the PVM’s and VR headsets
Yeah! Also, high brightness is an issue because of heat, right? If the panel is only on half the time, heat can't build up as much... so they should be able to increase brightness even more with BFI. Personally, when trying the S95B, I thought BFI was acceptable. Not as good as with a plasma, but I think I'd be using it with BFI activated, even if my eyes were strained a bit.
Hey HDTV, i noticed the S90C is forced into using DSC on PC with 120-144hz modes and there isn't a clear way to get it not use compression on those modes. However, you can disable this by disabling game mode and signal plus but be confined to 60Hz. I would love to hear your take and wonder if this can be fixed.
Hi, if could advise me here, it would help me a lot Which one would you recommend to buy? S90C 65" or S95C 65"? My main concern is durability. As you said S90C might be using 1 generation qd oled, does it means that s95c will have longer lifespan than s90c?
I'm still happy with my 1600€ 65" S95B purchase which I did at the beginning of the year. It is a first-class OLED TV with great picture and sound to a top price. The S90C or even the S95C are compared to the S95B overpriced, since the benefits are only minimal.
@@sonyse2t5 Nah. Sony A95L or Panasonic will take the crown. The only thing LG G3 has going for it is the brighter MLA panel. It's still held back by the white subpixel.
hey Vincent, why don't you review the Hisense 65A9HTUK? It's a Dolby Vision, HDR10+, 120hz VRR 1000 nits in filmmaker mode w-oled tv from Hisense for the UK market?
I use Apple TV for media streaming with occasional PS5 gaming. Would you recommend this Samsung to over LG C3? If so why? I have found both models at the same price online.
Nice to see the QD-OLED providing a noteworthy product. Honestly prefer the highlight clipping, this is stuff we could control on our end considering how bright the thing genuinely is. People often forget how significant of a difference is getting a new panel especially after being several generation behind. There is no need to run this at full intensity. Sufficient enough before this even got announced. This showed they will do everything they possibly can to bring us an experience into groundbreaking territory. No question they will be able to deliver. Innovation wise, knew it would be a bit before they were worth the high cost. Luckily for us, plenty bought the first set compulsively on niche alone which I'll definitely agree it does nicely at it's intended purpose therefore power to us. We'll see how it will hold up in the future. Does it provide everything a user would need for the best timeless OLED television ever? No, not yet. Not even close. This can't be answered by our observation alone currently, only time will tell if they could surpass the benchmark for perfection or be crowned as reference king considering it is still contested territory. One thing is for sure, as with LG they've got a long road to travel with negligible consideration weighing their software down before we see the next quantum leap ( pun intended ) in revolutionary technology
I'll always turn off dimming. Just looks terrible in most applications. I get it saves your panel but I run the panel care/checking bi weekly while I'm gone at work. Sometimes weekly under heavy use. I'm gettin' my moneys worth.
I got myself a MZ2000 because the A95L lacked in the game department. But have I made a mistake not getting a QD oled tv? Maybe I’m in time to return/change my tv..?
Im upgrading from my 2016 Samsung ks8000 and I’ve been looking at what TVs are out now and I can’t get over the fact that 1600 dollar tv is considered mid range now😢
Hi Vincent, will be good to have s90c vs s95c and to check if former has new panel. I compared them briefly next to each others and s90c was very very close…
A very important fact to consider. I heard that the s95b didn't come in a 77" size because the panels weren't ready. With that in mind, maybe the 77" size became ready, and the 77" s90c does use a very similar or even the same panel as the other sizes. This is entirely hearsay, of course. I also wonder when the price of the 77" s90c will come down and at what price it will settle at.
Amazing review sir, quick question is the motion handling an issue with gaming or only for movies and is it tolerable for movies here in Mexico I can get an S90c for about 1100 dls, so it is quite tempting probably motion handling only thing stopping me and maybe burn in risk
I've got it and I say go for it in this year's Hot Sale if you can/haven't. I bought one last month and I was thoroughly impressed with the shipping handling, it arrived just two days after ordering and the unit came pristine and without issues, it was manufactured last April. I hope nothing happens to it, though.
Wow Vincent,you already got your hands on Sony A80L.Please already review it becoz I’m considering it between the C3 and I need your expertise on the matter.Thanks for your help 💪
@@mrmoss8481 Well I don't think motion is (amazing) in fact its bad in J series & no true hdmi 2.1 no gaming features no glossy finish very low brightness faster burn in than others chech Rtings test oled longivity ,, A80K just better motion. I've always wanted to have sony tv But I can't stand its shortcomings In addition, the processing gap is lower than before compared to Lg/Samsung.
vincent I tried to calibrate S90C on PS5 according to you MaxFFTML should be 900nits (ps5 that would be 15 clicks) and MaxTML to 1250nits (ps5 would be 17 clicks) but when I go to 15 clicks the symbol is still far from being invisible it takes 3 -4 clicks to be invisible.. are there measurment only for XBOX? (and yes HGIG was on and dynamic tone was off)
My friend is thinking of getting this - is the auto dimming issue still present? I'm wondering if I should push him towards to LG C3 instead as I know that issue is solved for the latest LG TVs
All these settings and messing about just to try and achieve a picture close to what a plasma tv could show straight out of the Box 20 years ago, thats progress for you.
RTINGS apologized and said that the burn in wasn’t permanent and LG was winning because of its more accurate and timely compensation cycles. In fact here at the 10 month mark - the S95C (2nd gen panel) hasn’t gotten permanent burn in according to RTINGS while the C2 got it in 4 months
How can the colour space issue be managed? Is it as simple as having one setting for HDR and one setting for SDR and then easily changing between the two?
Thankfully, Samsung had a sale in my country and got the S90C for about 1500 USD tax included, I think I got a fair price considering the S95B was 200dlls more. I'll find out when it arrives.
I just bought this tv in a sale in uk, for a steal, its a great tv, stop playing with yourselves and being so picky, just to be trendy. Just buy it, good review.
@@anuzahyder7185 Not true. Samsung sucks in many different ways. I know, cause I own a samsung, and my brother owns an older samsung, and the issues they have just keep on returning in each new model they release, like for example the messed up auto colour space setting that's not working.
@@JorisKeijser bro i own samsung as well n i compare tvs regularly. What u said about color space is true n i know hdtv test doesnt like active tone mapping coz its not an accurate option but the active tone mapping really makes the picture pop. Other than that also if u check the comments u will see vincent himself stated many advantages of s90c. I dont care thaat much about upscaling 480p-720p coz i didnt buy an expensive to watch those content. Obviously if someone most watches those then maybe they wud be better off with lg n sony. The higher brightness makes a big difference. My s95b is tweaked n it hits 1500 nits at 1-5% window n it is clearly noticeable. I had c1 n dolby vision was sometimes too dim in some content. What wud i do with accuracy if i cannot even see anything. Never a problem with s95b. I wud get the g3 coz it is as good as s95c n even better upscaling but unfortunately the gaming mode of s95c is way better. So im gonna go with that. A80l is at 600 nits. Thats b2 level. Idk what sony was even thinking
Im able to get a s90c for around 1200 dls and the g3 costs me 1700 dls is the 500 dls difference worth it in your opinion or picture quality is very similar and not worth the g3?
Hi could u please add a list to ur site or make a video so we can just check the best for x reason like: Best for budget = x , best tv currently=y , highest brightness=z its way easier to check a list instead of watching 30 videos to understand what tv should I get for watching series with oled blacks
Hey, I am in the market for an OLED and narrowed it down to S95b or the LG G2. Will be wall mounted PS5 game play Occasional 4k movie General Prime/Netflix/Disney/Apple TV watching. What do you recommend IF both TVs were the same price?
Remote is weightless tiny plastic stick with horrible plastic volume switch, no buttons to access anything you need, PS5 turns on if you go to start screen or turn tv on. No way to make it work. Hiding PS5 icon doesn’t help.
I am friends with a local Bestbuy as I worked there a long time ago. Both geek squad and the Samsung and Sony rep said they are seeing a lot of returns on the qdoled models due to rapid burn in. Their floor models were also rapidly deteriorating compared to lgs c2 that have been up for the same amount of time and looked as bright as new.
@@pedepsitorulwell my brain tells me the didn't cut the mother glass in that size last year, they can still use that same generation of technology to cut 77 inch panels. Not hard to understand.
Black crush is the thing I hate most about modern TV's and why I won't be buying Samsung anytime soon. Already got LG monitor with it and had this issue in HDR and I had to workaround it for PS5 using expensive HDFury Vrroom by mangling AVI infoframe to make monitor think it gets Full range and using Limited range on console. SDR looks good though. For my next OLED I will do much more research and will probably get QD-OLED but probably not from Samsung - if they do not fix black crush.
Hey how do you get hdr out of computer ? Im using Dell xps 9570, usb c to hdmi 2.1 and hdr in screen settings is still not avaible .... Digged a lot but no win on my side.
It's so annoying that the panel tech is really good these days but every manufacturer has some kind of issue with their TVs and it's always related to the soc/processor.
And their sorry lacking software !!!
Or that Samsung doesn't support Dolby Vision.
@@SagaciousFrankyeah tbh as an lg fan s95c without Dolby vision still looks better than g3 with imo
There is. Sony A95L. But the price....
@@Emucratic2x hdmi 2.1 very future proof👍
Class in session!
I always feel I get smarter every time I listen to Vincent talk about TVs
No, You are actually getting better with the ladies.
The 77” panels are all the newer version since they didn’t have those last year
Hey Vincent, I was interested when you directed us to consider a side by side of LG C3, Samsung S90C, and the Sony, but the video you offered doesn't compare the C3 with these. I would love you to do a comprehensive comparison of the S90C and the C3 (and maybe the Sony, if it's not doubling up too much).
Samsung S95B is the same as the Samsung S95C When it comes to picture quality and performance Vinson has already compared the S 98B to Sony‘s master series a 95K Sony is king
Go watch that video comparison by Mr. Vinson
The LG C3 is the same as the C2 see one just brighter but it has the same issues and it’s not in the same league as the Sony A9 5K
Given there are no brightness or screen coating differences, Samsung could and _should_ make firmware adjustments/improvements on the S95B to make them perform like an 'old panel' S90C. I realise that would make buying the early S90C's fairly pointless but that's Samsung's problem, LG make firmware improvements of this sort to their legacy OLEDs for years after the fact. Samsung should be making the improvements between these two models more stark, by not cheaping out and using this year's panel on the S90C as a starter for 10.
Samsung finds the cheapest way to get out of making a great display. That’s why their prices are so cheap and the performance has so many issues.
@@alambe7275 Their QA in general is awful.
True but to be fair LG doesn’t do old model support that much better. They still haven’t fixed auto dimming on the C2. All these TV companies only want to sell you the new model year after year.
@@JohnCarter-rp1hq In contrast to Sony, LG are renowned for supporting and updating their legacy C and especially G series TVs. You're right about the auto-dimming however, that has been a joke, though it's an isolated issue and they do finally appear to be sorting it out. Just to be clear, I'm no LG fanatic and I don't own one. Money no object I'd have a Panasonic. Looking forward to the MZ1500/2000 review.
@@trevhib we’re still waiting for the dimming fix. It’s probably never coming at this point. Like I said most of these TV manufactures don’t like bringing new features to older models. Even Sony won’t be releasing their game bar for 2022 and older TVs, just 2023. LG and Sony do have better track records than Samsung for updates though.
Cheaped out and bought the 65" S95B for CAD2.1k here in Canada. For comparison, the 65" S90C is 3.3k and had an early bird offer for a $100 voucher if you preorder through Samsung.
How is your experience with the TV so far?
@@DrVagaxguess we will never know
Once again Vincent you produce another great in depth review🎉
2:49 given that you have to risk voiding the warranty to actually watch anything longer than a few minutes, why would you even consider buying this?
I set the brightness to 100% (white) on my 55S95b monitor for a total consumption of around 130-140 watts and turned off both peak brightness and contrast enhancement. The temperature stays below 40 degrees with these settings. The reason for the burn-in is the high power density with a 10% window (1000 nits) and thus temperature that cannot be dissipated quickly enough.
I use the S95B as a PC monitor.
Thanks for the tip. I'm getting an S90C for my PC soon, will keep that in mind. Coming from a C1.
So effectively the improvement for the S90C over the S95B is software improvements and could come to the S95B if Samsung wanted to.
Seems that way to me
Which should I buy, this or LG C3??
And I have RTX 4090 so will be gaming on 4K..
Awesome video Vincent as always. Can't wait for your review of the lg c3 42 which is the tv I want to buy this year for my nerd room lol.
65" S90C is only around $450 cheaper than S95B was when released and almost $1000 more expensive than S95B now (at least here in EU).
@@animals7473 those are silly year old rumors. I'd be suprised if samsung is sneaking w-oled panels into their qd oled lineup when they're seemingly not even cheaper
@@matthewtrebs9738 ??? why would samsung use LG's panel
@@grozaphy Lcd Supply decreasing.
@@grozaphythe 83" samsung s90c does in fact use LG woled panels.
Regarding color gamut settings, in video you said that both have pros and cons.
As I understood, DCI-P3 will have worse color gradation and not so wide color gamut, but better accuracy, compared with BT2020.
Which option would you suggest for average user who don't want to change settings all the time?
Try both on some of your favorite content to get an idea of your own preference. Sorry, all I got!
With the latest firmware, s95b is just as quick and smooth as s90c.
The 77 inch S90C should be using a new panel right? I wonder how that will perform
Yes as there was no 77 inch panel last year
That would def be the one I want to see tested.
I love the competition Samsung brought to the table with qd-oled! No company can now afford incremental upgrades moving forward. I would expect C4 to have a serious bump in brightness next year.
Yep...Thanks to Samsung LG OLEDs are wayy cheaper in my country now and not just LG,Other companies tht use LG OLED Displays are way affordable
@@techandy1747 LG can't compete with brighter QD OLED they should buy QD OLED panels of Samsung Display.
Let’s get some settings videos again please
@@RobertK1993 That is true, but I believe LG can do something to further increase the brightness if they're willing to increase panel thickness: make an LG G3+ with active cooling :)
yeah before QD OLED came to market LG was selling the same TV 4 years in a row lol
When are we going to talk about the 83 inc lg g3 that doesn’t have MLA ? Does it make that big of a difference? Is it better to go g2 ? For that size ?
Based on the g3 review, Mla makes a huge difference. So yes it’s worth going to the g series.
@@mrsittingmongoose yeah but the 83 inch doesn’t have MLA for the g3 that’s why i was wondering how much of a difference it would make from the 83 inch g2 to the 83 inch g3 .
@@sinjb6206 ah shoot you’re right! I forgot about that.
@@mrsittingmongoose I know :( which sucks because MLA makes a massive difference .
The S90C has the same panel as the S95C as the 55S95b in HDR requires 200 watts and the 55S90C in HDR only 134 watts. However, what can be different compared to the S95C is the reflective coating.
Decided to get a 77" LG B2 but I was seriously considering the S90C. 🤔
Good to know that. I bought this today 65" 1500e. (s90c)
Considering the S95B is close to costing half as much as the S90C, I think that's a bit of a no brainer. If you're willing to spend S90C money, the price increase to the S95C, which WILL get you the panel with less burn in, better performance, better features and better sound may very well be worth it.
Bloody shame that they ruined the S90C just to get rid of a couple of panels... and I think it might bite them, because what's the point in the S90C? The S95B is mostly the same TV, in parts it's even better I guess (sound?). It does look better. It is significantly cheaper. And the S90C isn't very compelling, not at the current price. It needs to drop significantly in order to become interesting, even if it had the new panels. But that's going to be lottery, no matter when you buy the TV... you might find old stock.
They could charge more for the S90C if it only had the new panel and was fully unlocked. And they'll be wasting their fantastic panels on TVs that have to sell for less because they aren't making use of those panels. Panels they could be selling to a TV maker that could actually make use of them. But yeah. Samsung making hard to understand decisions isn't uncommon, is it? Like with their insistence on not having DV. They could charge more by it having DV, but nope, it's not there. So they are losing sales to Sony or worse LG.
@@animals7473 id doubt it. Idk what they could be using them for. Microled research? Are they gonna just sneak a million w-oled panels into their qd-oled TVs and hope nobody notices? Granted, I wouldnt put it past them, but im doubtful
@@Faisal-SR the comment i was replying to was claiming samsung was using wgrb panels from lg. Unless samsung has an s85c that i havent heard of. And I think theyd much rather push people to their miniled/qdoled tvs where I figure their margins are probably fatter
@@matthewtrebs9738
They buy them at low prices aiming to build a customer base in the oled market
They need years to increase production to 3 million qd oled panels
@@Faisal-SR The reports of Samsung buying LG panels was dumb from the get go. They are rivals, and considering how hard Samsung Electronics hit on OLED screens, so much so that they didn't want to use Samsung Displays OLED screens, they really can't use the very panels they kept saying were crap. Besides, QD OLED panels are supposed to be relatively inexpensive to make. And the way the S90C performs makes it very obvious that it uses Samsung and not LG panels.
Well thats what happened to pretty much every single LG C and Sony A80 model ever since their second model released, so I doubt Samsung cared all that much. In fact, making the S90C look bad might turn people face to the S95C which benefits them even more, so...
Surprised to see you recommend it so heavily, by all the shortcomings, it seems like a nightmare for people who aren’t as versed in settings as others
@Enigma 0: No TV is perfect. At the end of the day, no 2023 sub-flagship OLED TV can outperform the Samsung S90C in these areas:
- Wide viewing angles without off-axis pink tint
- Clean bright uniformity without colour tinting
- No near-black chrominance overshoot artefacts
- Most relaxed ABL (HDR peak brightness 1000 nits, full-field 200 nits), contributing to most impactful HDR
- High colour luminance natively
- 144Hz refresh rate support for high-end PC gamers, on top of four HDMI 2.1 ports, super-low latency (equal with LG), etc.
...which is why we gave it our "Highly Recommended: Best Value" award.
@@hdtvtest I think there's a sentiment that by giving Samsung the award, they will think "everything's okay" and not bother fixing the flaws.
@@hdtvtest Those things definitely do not out-weigh all the things Samsung continues to screw up, more than half of which never even makes it into these reviews. I wish you could dive deeper into everything wrong with samsung tvs, and shame them publicly. That would help us consumers out so much.
@@JorisKeijser Given he was the first person on TH-cam to show Samsung deliberately cheating on display tests last year, I doubt he would leave out any major criticisms on purpose. And even with all of the objective testing, which is incalculably valuable to consumers, he is still a reviewer giving his opinion based on his singular sample unit. I also felt the same way OP did, though.
@Terrobility
I guess you missed the part where he said "no TV is perfect". You act like only Samsung TVs have flaws.
It is incredibly disappointing that the S90C does not have the new panel / chemistry that the S95C has; the S90C is just the S95B with slightly better processing. The S90C would have been a much more compelling option if it could more closely match the PQ of the S95C.
@@tears2040What do you mean by that?
the 77 s90c uses the new s95c panel because they never made a 77 inch first gen qd-oled panel. i just got a 77 s90c and can confirm its brighter than my 65 a95k (last years Qd-oled)@@SinglerainbowHD
I’m loving my new 65” Qn95b. Going from a bottom of the line HD to this is amazing.
Can’t wait till June when I can really see it in action playing FF16.
im actually mad happy for you my guy and cant wait as well
S90C = S95B with active HDR dynamic tone mapping, for 50% more money... mmm no thanks
The 65" S95B is 60% of the S90C now, and it was possible to get it for 43% of the S90C price.
I think, once the old panel stock goes away, they will use the 2023 QD-OLED panels on S90C. Of course, the brightness will be soft-limited, but the reliability of the new panel is 2x compared to last year (plus energy savings). I wonder whether there is a way to differentiate between the two panels (either with a microscope or in the service menu)
"the reliability of the new panel is 2x compared to last year" Thats what Samsungs marketing department claim. Only fools believe in marketing claims.
Yes, but how can you make sure to get the new panels? There'll always be old stock floating around, especially considering that you'd have to be rather mentally challenged to buy a S90C at this point. Most in the know will probably be waiting for newer stock, meaning Samsung will be sitting on a ton of S90C for quite a while. And regular buyers will be more attracted to the S95B, which is a lot cheaper. Until it is sold out.
I suppose since Samsung will have a hard time selling the S90C, they will have to lower the price quite a bit...
You just said it's litteraly the same panel, so how can the reliability be 2x.
@@FEWGEE1 i am taking about 2023 vs 2022.
That would be messed up, but I would't put it past samsung to screw consumers like that.
Is the price difference between s90c and s95c justified? And, in turn, is the price difference between s95b and s90c justified?
Can we expect 77 inch s90c review? That could truly be best value with new panel :)
no
The Sony A80L only gets up to about 600 nits peak brightness? What are they thinking??
This is a tough one. As we know the 77" has to be using the new deuterium compound, it can't be last year's panel. But the 65" like this, could be. the new compound is a massive selling point making the 65" too much of a purchase risk for me. Unless the screen reflective finish is different on all 2023 panels
These are 55" not 65"
Yeah, but will they adjust the 77" to match the 65" in performance? In any case, 77" is just too big for me. Looks like Samsung is out again this year. I'd be willing to overlook the drawbacks, but also having to use the lesser 2022 panel (or a 2023 panel throttled to be like the 2022 panel) just makes it not worth it. Sony is far too expensive. And LG has that dumb green tint that's very obvious to me. Seems like my plasma has to last yet another year, because nothing on the market is worth getting and brands that could create good TVs at reasonable-ish prices stick to LG panels.
Isn't it the S95c that are using the new panels in both the 55 and 65 size? The cheaper 90c is using last years panel.
@@kadajawi6567 I don't think all the s90c 55" and 65" will use the old panels because there probably isn't enough if them (I may be wrong) I think it will be a mix/lottery like LG did with the other year. I suppose you're right though that they'll have to throttle back performance to the old panel level for parity which means you're not getting the full fat version. If that's the case it'll be disappointing - however there will still be superior durability advantages with the 77" s90c for sure.
And if they are rude enough to use the old panel on the s95c they'll be people who'll be very unhappy for sure.
@@lancealex382 I'd say for now they'll only use gen 1 panels, until they run out of them. Then they'll switch to throttled gen 2 panels. However there'll be old stocks floating around, so it will take a long time until buyers can be half way certain to get a new panel. If they didn't have many to begin with and are already producing gen 2 models, this decision would be even dumber.
For the S95C I highly doubt that they'll use the old panels, because the TVs wouldn't be able to match specs (and IIRC comparison videos have already shown the superior performance of the S95C).
I just wish they had continued producing S95B (even if they call them S85C) until stocks run dry, and went with two gen 2 TVs rather than one for this year.
Even though RTINGS test is a torture-test that would rarely happen in normal viewing, at the same testing rate the LG lasted longer.
Can you post a settings calibration video for the s90c
ABL sounds like a deal breaker if you have to access the menu just to reignite the backlight. Makes mini led sound more appealing 😬 I’m so conflicted
Well, looks like I get to wait another year before getting a new TV. All of these companies are still skimping on multi-thousand dollar TVs in some area. I already know the A95L will be the TV of the year, but the Pentonic 1000 is a deal breaker. This TV is an S95B V2, which is a deal breaker due to certain audio passthrough limitations and brightness limitations. The G3, while excellent, still uses a panel I personally don't like, but now brighter. A95L is looking great, if Sony can actually get 4 48GB HDMI ports installed. Flagship TVs without all 4 ports being 100% compliant with HDMI 2.1 going forward is unacceptable.
What are the audio limitations?
And yeah, same here. The S95B might be worth considering because it's dirt cheap (well, kind of), as sort of a throw away TV for a few years. The S90C isn't compelling at all, because it is bloody expensive considering it's limitations and it being a S95B with an uglier stand. I do not like the LG panels, so most of the market is out (thanks for not adopting QD OLED, Philips and Panasonic!). Sony is going to price the A95L out of reach and will stick to the price tag. Plus I liked the A95K stand, but hated the rest of the design (what's with those nostrils?). Now the A95L is still ugly AND the stands are awful. Great. I do not need 48GB HDMI ports right now, but I feel like whenever I said something like that (my graphics card doesn't need to support 4K gaming...) I almost instantly regret it (by buying a 4K monitor for example). My old TV is 12 years old now, so some future proofing would be nice.
@@kadajawi6567 Samsung TVs don't support DTS audio passthrough.
@@MrLehi99Well, you will then have to wait for more than one year. The Pentonic line of chips is a major overhaul of the TV chip line-up of Mediatek. There will not be another major overhaul after just one year. If Mediatek thought this full chip rework does not need to include 4 full bandwidth HDMI 2.1 ports, they will not change their mind suddenly and spend a lot of money again.
Of course, I am not in the headquarter of Mediatek, but I am quite sure the newly introduced Pentonic chip line-up will stay at least 2 years. The TV chip market is not that fast-paced as for example the mobile processor market.
@elcactuar3354 For the spelling of Mediatek I agree, but then is correct.
@elcactuar3354 😅 I somehow just saw the first then. Texting on a smartphone is a pain in contrast to a keyboard.
I am torn between S90C and the LG G2 55" for gaming in HDR on Ps5 and PC , LG is cheaper which one would you recommend?
Definitely the Samsung.
For gaming Samsung
Got the S90C anyway, amazing TV for the money, got it for a good deal 55" for 1000€ oh and it's second gen if I wanted to convert to S95C could do that as well but I dont see the need.
S90C is the closest thing to a 4K CRT for games.
I was looking forward to such a great test 👌 Thanks Vincent!
why are they sending out S90C with old panels instead of waiting for the new panels?
Could someone explain to me the nerf deal, besides the fact that they butchered game mode. Rtings tested the S95B on May 13th, 2022 with firmware v 1211, and the 2% and 10% windows in HDR using 'Filmmaker' mode were 1,028 and 1,036 nits respectively. I'm guessing 'Movie' mode would have been higher still. On July 20th, 2022 Rtings put this in their notes: "We retested the peak brightness in HDR with the latest firmware, 1302. The TV no longer produces bright flashes of around 1400 nits in the 'Movie' and 'Game' modes." Is 1302 the nerf many are talking about? Rtings didn't publish 'Movie' mode results outside of this update, and what are "bright flashes"? If they're talking about specular highlights I can see why many owners are upset.
How much of a difference will I notice in game mode compared to the QN90A ?
Great video as usual; when it's gonna be the turn of Samsung S95c???
They need to focus on motion. They need to stop driving OLED as if it’s an LCD enough with the sample and hold. Get the brightness up high enough and give that thing a rolling scan like on the PVM’s and VR headsets
Yeah! Also, high brightness is an issue because of heat, right? If the panel is only on half the time, heat can't build up as much... so they should be able to increase brightness even more with BFI.
Personally, when trying the S95B, I thought BFI was acceptable. Not as good as with a plasma, but I think I'd be using it with BFI activated, even if my eyes were strained a bit.
Hey HDTV, i noticed the S90C is forced into using DSC on PC with 120-144hz modes and there isn't a clear way to get it not use compression on those modes.
However, you can disable this by disabling game mode and signal plus but be confined to 60Hz. I would love to hear your take and wonder if this can be fixed.
Hi, if could advise me here, it would help me a lot
Which one would you recommend to buy? S90C 65" or S95C 65"? My main concern is durability. As you said S90C might be using 1 generation qd oled, does it means that s95c will have longer lifespan than s90c?
S90c uses 2nd gen panel per samsung tech repair man whom I spoke to. S90c is very durable!
From when and for what models?
I'm still happy with my 1600€ 65" S95B purchase which I did at the beginning of the year. It is a first-class OLED TV with great picture and sound to a top price. The S90C or even the S95C are compared to the S95B overpriced, since the benefits are only minimal.
Did you notice any significant changes after the updates? That's been its biggest criticism.
LG G3 likely to win the oled TV crown for 2023
@@sonyse2t5 A95l, I’m calling it
@@sonyse2t5 Nah.
Sony A95L or Panasonic will take the crown.
The only thing LG G3 has going for it is the brighter MLA panel. It's still held back by the white subpixel.
@@AusOpening THIS!! ☝️☝️☝️
hey Vincent, why don't you review the Hisense 65A9HTUK? It's a Dolby Vision, HDR10+, 120hz VRR 1000 nits in filmmaker mode w-oled tv from Hisense for the UK market?
It was not 100% clear from the video - what are the differences to S95C? What would one give up for cheaper price or gain by paying more?
which TV would you recommend for someone who does not play games, but wants a quality TV around $1,000 or less?
I use Apple TV for media streaming with occasional PS5 gaming. Would you recommend this Samsung to over LG C3? If so why? I have found both models at the same price online.
Nice to see the QD-OLED providing a noteworthy product. Honestly prefer the highlight clipping, this is stuff we could control on our end considering how bright the thing genuinely is. People often forget how significant of a difference is getting a new panel especially after being several generation behind. There is no need to run this at full intensity. Sufficient enough before this even got announced. This showed they will do everything they possibly can to bring us an experience into groundbreaking territory. No question they will be able to deliver. Innovation wise, knew it would be a bit before they were worth the high cost. Luckily for us, plenty bought the first set compulsively on niche alone which I'll definitely agree it does nicely at it's intended purpose therefore power to us. We'll see how it will hold up in the future. Does it provide everything a user would need for the best timeless OLED television ever? No, not yet. Not even close. This can't be answered by our observation alone currently, only time will tell if they could surpass the benchmark for perfection or be crowned as reference king considering it is still contested territory. One thing is for sure, as with LG they've got a long road to travel with negligible consideration weighing their software down before we see the next quantum leap ( pun intended ) in revolutionary technology
So firmware 1111 is safe I am assuming. What about 1113 and 1123? Hopefully you will be getting your hands on the new updates and keep us in the loop.
Looking at s90C vs Sony A80L? Uses are home theatre and streaming tv/movies/shows to be paired with appletv 4K and Sonos arc, sub and rear speakers.
I'll always turn off dimming. Just looks terrible in most applications. I get it saves your panel but I run the panel care/checking bi weekly while I'm gone at work. Sometimes weekly under heavy use. I'm gettin' my moneys worth.
See the rtrings comprehensive test for burn in.
I think we wouldn’t see a 90C vs 95C compared video because it is too close. Especially on 77’ models.
Think I will go for this model
So the 77" S90C should be using the new panel, right? Not using the S90B?
Maybe it will be brighter than 55" or 65"?
Please Review with A80L vs A90J 🙏🏼
Vicent what is the better S95C / S90C or LG C3?
I got myself a MZ2000 because the A95L lacked in the game department. But have I made a mistake not getting a QD oled tv? Maybe I’m in time to return/change my tv..?
Interested in that A80L haha
Im upgrading from my 2016 Samsung ks8000 and I’ve been looking at what TVs are out now and I can’t get over the fact that 1600 dollar tv is considered mid range now😢
Hi Vincent, will be good to have s90c vs s95c and to check if former has new panel. I compared them briefly next to each others and s90c was very very close…
Did you notice SDR CMS being artifact-prone for both the S95B/S95C as well?
I won't go anywhere near qd-oled after rtings' oled burn in test; for gaming content that i mix in with movies, its just not worth the added risk.
what did they said?
dosen't the 77 inch come with a newer panel? I'm curious how that one would stack up against the s95c
A very important fact to consider. I heard that the s95b didn't come in a 77" size because the panels weren't ready. With that in mind, maybe the 77" size became ready, and the 77" s90c does use a very similar or even the same panel as the other sizes. This is entirely hearsay, of course. I also wonder when the price of the 77" s90c will come down and at what price it will settle at.
Is autodim still an issue? When does it happen?
Amazing review sir, quick question is the motion handling an issue with gaming or only for movies and is it tolerable for movies here in Mexico I can get an S90c for about 1100 dls, so it is quite tempting probably motion handling only thing stopping me and maybe burn in risk
I've got it and I say go for it in this year's Hot Sale if you can/haven't. I bought one last month and I was thoroughly impressed with the shipping handling, it arrived just two days after ordering and the unit came pristine and without issues, it was manufactured last April.
I hope nothing happens to it, though.
@@Minarreal is it really a improvement from w oled overall is it really worth it also for movies??
Wow Vincent,you already got your hands on Sony A80L.Please already review it becoz I’m considering it between the C3 and I need your expertise on the matter.Thanks for your help 💪
A80K 2.0
The peak brightness is quite impressive.
@@Faisal-SR Is that a bad thing? I have an A80J and it's been amazing
@@mrmoss8481
Well I don't think motion is (amazing) in fact its bad in J series & no true hdmi 2.1
no gaming features no glossy finish very low brightness faster burn in than others chech Rtings test oled longivity ,, A80K just better motion.
I've always wanted to have sony tv But I can't stand its shortcomings
In addition, the processing gap is lower than before compared to
Lg/Samsung.
vincent I tried to calibrate S90C on PS5 according to you MaxFFTML should be 900nits (ps5 that would be 15 clicks) and MaxTML to 1250nits (ps5 would be 17 clicks) but when I go to 15 clicks the symbol is still far from being invisible it takes 3 -4 clicks to be invisible.. are there measurment only for XBOX? (and yes HGIG was on and dynamic tone was off)
Still love my A90j sony TV
S...Sony
An excellent video and helped me choose which TV to settle for many thanks
My friend is thinking of getting this - is the auto dimming issue still present? I'm wondering if I should push him towards to LG C3 instead as I know that issue is solved for the latest LG TVs
Great video Vincent, very informative.
All these settings and messing about just to try and achieve a picture close to what a plasma tv could show straight out of the Box 20 years ago, thats progress for you.
You mentioned using CMS to calibrate the colors causes color posterization. Does the same happen if I use Calman Home AutoCal to calibrate?
More like advantage disadvantage as VRR range has a higher floor than LG OLED, 48-144hz vs 20-120hz. LG OLED perfect for Xbox Series X?
RTINGS apologized and said that the burn in wasn’t permanent and LG was winning because of its more accurate and timely compensation cycles. In fact here at the 10 month mark - the S95C (2nd gen panel) hasn’t gotten permanent burn in according to RTINGS while the C2 got it in 4 months
How can the colour space issue be managed? Is it as simple as having one setting for HDR and one setting for SDR and then easily changing between the two?
Thankfully, Samsung had a sale in my country and got the S90C for about 1500 USD tax included, I think I got a fair price considering the S95B was 200dlls more. I'll find out when it arrives.
For 55"?
I just bought this tv in a sale in uk, for a steal, its a great tv, stop playing with yourselves and being so picky, just to be trendy. Just buy it, good review.
i would pay top dollar to have vincent's confidence in waring these glasses
So the tint and elevated blacks caused by light are still there? That's a big deal breaker.
I'm hearing a lot of flaws. Great brightness, great colour volume but everything else seems to be inferior to LG OLEDs.
Samsung is putting all their eggs in the brightness basket and kind of has been. Brightness isn’t everything
I agree
Im not impressed by s90c but it is still way better than c3 and a80l. The only thing lg n sony are better in is upscaling from 720p.
@@anuzahyder7185 Not true. Samsung sucks in many different ways. I know, cause I own a samsung, and my brother owns an older samsung, and the issues they have just keep on returning in each new model they release, like for example the messed up auto colour space setting that's not working.
@@JorisKeijser bro i own samsung as well n i compare tvs regularly. What u said about color space is true n i know hdtv test doesnt like active tone mapping coz its not an accurate option but the active tone mapping really makes the picture pop. Other than that also if u check the comments u will see vincent himself stated many advantages of s90c.
I dont care thaat much about upscaling 480p-720p coz i didnt buy an expensive to watch those content. Obviously if someone most watches those then maybe they wud be better off with lg n sony. The higher brightness makes a big difference. My s95b is tweaked n it hits 1500 nits at 1-5% window n it is clearly noticeable. I had c1 n dolby vision was sometimes too dim in some content. What wud i do with accuracy if i cannot even see anything. Never a problem with s95b. I wud get the g3 coz it is as good as s95c n even better upscaling but unfortunately the gaming mode of s95c is way better. So im gonna go with that. A80l is at 600 nits. Thats b2 level. Idk what sony was even thinking
Which panel is it? First or second gen?
Whats the difference between 2nd gen panel on s90c? If it's still same brightness as the s95b?
Im able to get a s90c for around 1200 dls and the g3 costs me 1700 dls is the 500 dls difference worth it in your opinion or picture quality is very similar and not worth the g3?
@@westibbs have you seen both in person?
@@westibbs only bad thing is quality control from Samsung more risk of burn in and lack of Dolby vision
Always a great help for detailed information. Thanks a lot.
We need a comparison with the G3!!!
Hi could u please add a list to ur site or make a video so we can just check the best for x reason like: Best for budget = x , best tv currently=y , highest brightness=z its way easier to check a list instead of watching 30 videos to understand what tv should I get for watching series with oled blacks
Looking forward to your C3 and A80L videos
Hey,
I am in the market for an OLED and narrowed it down to S95b or the LG G2.
Will be wall mounted
PS5 game play
Occasional 4k movie
General Prime/Netflix/Disney/Apple TV watching.
What do you recommend IF both TVs were the same price?
g3
I've been out of the loop since i bought my 55" C9 as a PC monitor a few years ago. How are oleds compared to qd-oleds?
It's a Samsung..... No DV, crap FW support and shit reliability and build quality. Don't care how bright it is.
Best of LG and Samsung OLED Sony Bravia OLED TVs
You are confusing quality control with build quality.
Samsung have good build, but shit quality control.
@@20puskinas1992 bad build quality and bad QC
-S95B owner
Remote is weightless tiny plastic stick with horrible plastic volume switch, no buttons to access anything you need, PS5 turns on if you go to start screen or turn tv on. No way to make it work. Hiding PS5 icon doesn’t help.
@@20puskinas1992 you seen their previous oled? I think you're confusing Samsung with decent electronics.
Everyone is waiting for a G3 vs S95C comparison
Vincent, I know it's not your style of video, but could you give us your opinion on the rtings burn in test results for the QD-OLED displays.
I am friends with a local Bestbuy as I worked there a long time ago. Both geek squad and the Samsung and Sony rep said they are seeing a lot of returns on the qdoled models due to rapid burn in. Their floor models were also rapidly deteriorating compared to lgs c2 that have been up for the same amount of time and looked as bright as new.
Can you tell us if the 77 inch will be using the older panel? Or the new panel the s95c is using?
There was no 77 inch panel last year so use your brain
@@pedepsitorulwell my brain tells me the didn't cut the mother glass in that size last year, they can still use that same generation of technology to cut 77 inch panels. Not hard to understand.
What chip and how much RAM does the S90C have?
Black crush is the thing I hate most about modern TV's and why I won't be buying Samsung anytime soon. Already got LG monitor with it and had this issue in HDR and I had to workaround it for PS5 using expensive HDFury Vrroom by mangling AVI infoframe to make monitor think it gets Full range and using Limited range on console. SDR looks good though. For my next OLED I will do much more research and will probably get QD-OLED but probably not from Samsung - if they do not fix black crush.
Hey how do you get hdr out of computer ? Im using Dell xps 9570, usb c to hdmi 2.1 and hdr in screen settings is still not avaible .... Digged a lot but no win on my side.