Please consider doing a video on motion processing, explaining in detail what all the various terminology means and options do, such as telecine, pulldown, judder, interpolation, BFI etc etc. Like many, I have some understanding of these technologies but a dedicated video which explains all of them would be a great help to many I'm sure.
Fantastic! I still think the X95K looks better in the 007 Spectre scenes where Samsung QLED Mini LEDs tend to overblow the image. For that accuracry, you have to deal with more blooming on the Sony MiniLeds, though.
@@highdefnews Okay, maybe the footage was just somewhat saturated or something. I have heard a lot of good things about the latest Samsung Miniled, and if they have fixed that problem, then they may be better than Sony this year. Let's see what the X95L brings.
I sold my 65S95B for a 85C845 and it was a good decision. Not just because of the bigger size but also because the local dimming is great on the 85 inch while having a peak brightness of 2x-3x that of the 65S95B. TV is mainly used for PS5 gaming.
better to spend for pc hardware and good pc monitor than for expensive TV all tv channels are most non hd and full hd not 4k... and non hdr.. waist of money.
@@hdtvtest That's new. Because the way you triggered it last year was by using a loop. I'm guessing because the show is graded so dark it triggered the dimming because it doesn't happen normally like that.
I upgraded by Samsung 43" MU7000 to a QN90B because I found a great deal locally earlier this year. But it is amazing to see how quickly the quality of TVs change of just a year.
Guys remember, on miniled for gaming the motion plus HAS to be enabled, but turn everything to zero. This will solve many image problems like a sort of green trail behind bright objects on a dark background.
This it's 💯% correct. Lots have no clue that ONLY enable it without touching everything else your games look absolutely amazing than before and actually it DOESN'T add lag in that way. I discovered this on my seriesX and my brand new Q70B Samsung TV and it really does a noticable difference while my games are running at solid 60fps.👍
The weakness of Samsung TV's appears to be the tv chipset and not the screen itself if the same issues of last year keep popping up. They need to improve that, firmware releases and the OS.
Samsung doesn't make its own displays anymore apart from qd oled. TCL is the main producer of LED panels, also for Samsung. You forgot to mention the build quality as well, both for qled and qd oled, which is absolute trash.
@@1LiterSpaWater Samsung does make panels, TCL don't make LED panels, they make LCD panels with LED back lighting, albeit edgelit, backlit, FALD or miniled.
For me the best example of QLED inferiority was the Q90T + PS5 + Bloodborne menu. Probably because of that cap on the brightness of small elements, the menu of BB was so gloomy that I could barely see white menu options on the dark background. And this transfers to gameplay as well. Take Ghost of Tsushima at night as an instance. Q90T rendered it as an almost BLACK picture. Even the lower level Q80T could handle it better, probably again because of the same algorithm. My guess is that it is not that hard in the lower-end model, because of a much less number of local dimming zone. If you could include these two test scenarios in your further reviews - it might be helpful for us to pick a better TV. PS. Both referred models were calibrated according to recommendations from this channel.
Seeing the HX310 in these reviews is both awesome & extremely frustrating. It’s awesome because it’s a great frame of reference, but extremely frustrating because no commercial TV comes close to looking that good 😂 😭
It's extremely frustrating to see such severe black crush on the samsung tvs. I can't accept a downgrade in terms of shadow detail coming from a panasonic oled.
The problem with the HX310 is it can only reach 1000 nits max for highlights/fullscreen so you can see in the video where the TVs are both brighter than it sometimes for the highlights, I think for colours now the A95K beat's it as well for BT2020. Really need the Dolby Pulsar now..... 😀
@@barryjones2366 The HX310 is a reference monitor, possibly for color grading or editing. Anyone using this, would not need more than 1000 nits due to viewing distance, it's only a 31 inch monitor, and you would possibly be around 50cm from it.
@HDTVTest good video, very useful, but please give us the review of S95C and the comparison between S95C and LG G3, especially with game content! Thank you.
I was considering the qn95c over the s95c for gaming since I like bright images. But seeing the local dimming process being worse in game mode really helped me in deciding for the s95c. Thank you for showing this important information about the qn95c which I havent found ANYWHERE ELSE
@@xxxxxx4085 rtings does not have the qn95c up yet. I wont look up local dimming behavior from different/older TVs and assume its the same on the qn95c since they improved local dimming this year
I have the QN95B and the same game shown in this video DMC and it looks nowhere near as bad as it did here, must be something going on I can't believe with double the dimming zones that it would look that washed out when it doesn't on my QN95B.
I own S95C, S95B, C1 48”, A95K, and last years 8K QN900B… None of these are perfect, but the S95C after calibration is absolutely jaw dropping, stands tall above the rest…
You havent seen a jaw drop yet. Just do the ana peak 2, maxlum1 luminance, PLC luminance and on top of that turn off abl to get 2500nits peaks on 1-3%. Then come back with your jaw
Why is brightness so important? I feel like my LG C9 is already burning my eyes out. I have to pinch my eyes so often when watching a movie or tv show.
Good review, I don't think the LD on game mode will look as bad as it did in this video, something must be going on as it looks nowhere near that bad on my QN95B.
It doesn't look like that on game mode. I have a neighborhood that has the TV with a seriesX and it looks absolutely amazing in game mode. This videos are done with purposes.
@@David-nd4to Which is stupid since they would pass the costs to the consumer anyway. If we learned anything about companies recently is that they will almost never absorb costs.
OLED is great for evening film viewing but I don't think I'd buy one for daytime use or if I had kids that are likely to leave the same image on screen for prolonged periods.
The burn in mitigation stuff is getting really good. I use an oled for my main monitor (LG C2) and I leave static images on the screen and walk away. If the same image is up it dims, and if the computer goes to sleep it changes to a slide show, and if the computer doesn't go to sleep it changes to a mostly black screen saver. I've never noticed a trace of burn in with my OLED or my qdoled tv
@@derekfurst6233 same.... iv never known any one ever to get burn in. I also use mine as a PC monitor.. 55 inch.. would never go lower now... even tho I thot 48 would be too big .. nope
LG, Panasonic and Philips will all have MLA this year, which are fine for daytime viewing. As is the LG G2, based on RTINGs SDR real scene brightness figures. Expensive but it can be done.
5 OLEDS and 2 children with xbox/ps/switch. 0 Burn in.... HOURS AND HOURS of ROBLOX... 0 burn-in. You're fine. And now with the QD-OLED besting mini-led in brightness, what's not to love. Oh yeah, and it's even better with OLED and not having DSE
It's not available in the UK. The yet to be released in UK TCL C845 is a step-down model with about half the dimming zones. Apparently the C955 which may release by end of the year in the UK is basically the UK version of the QM8 which itself is based on the chinese Q10H.
Excellent review! Just wondering when you showed the game footage with raised blacks did you have Game HDR On or Off, it looked Off? What does it look like with Game HDR On I wonder when setup correctly for 2000 nits? 😀 Are the blacks better and then the whole picture? What about responsiveness of the back-light in Game Mode is it better than last year and is it noticeably worse than regular picture modes? Thanks Vincent!
Thank you Vincent for the excellent review, i wish you could do a comparison between all the neo qled TVs qn90a vs qn90b vs qn95c (qn90c is a straight downgrade) to see if there is improvements or downgrades
QN90C is better than the QN90B so I would include it in a comparison. Check out Classy Techs review. ADS/IPS panels are normally worse than VA but not this year on Samsungs. He will compare them, he has a QN90B, QN90C and now has a QN95C.... 😀
@@Sejuani89 RTings is not that good for their observations, they are only good for measurements. Their scores are sometimes very weird. The QN95B has newer firmware than the QN90B it has older firmware where the brightness was a bit more, so you should compare the QN95Bs score with the QN90C and the QN90C scores a bit higher......not that it means alot, for some reason they gave the 90B and 95B really different scores for TV shows.....Classy said when side by side the QN90C is better for blooming control and balance to the picture because it's more accurate with the new Static Tone Mapping option and has better local dimming algorithms. Should be better for viewing angles as well. So just depends do you want a TV with more blooming or a brighter TV with less blooming, better viewing angles, motion, playing low bit-rate content and accuracy? Did you watch the Classy Tech review? He covers the stuff that matters more than RTings.
Looks like the battle wages on between the TLC QM8 vs U8K for this year's best miniLED. That starfield performance is just sad across every miniLED released so far, I don't see any non-OLED surviving it but hopefully with a couple thousand zones instead of just 1000, we can finally get close enough for reference. TLC and Hisense are the only 2 brands taking miniLED serious as everyone goes all-in for their OLEDs.
Hi thanks for all the info you provide for all of us, this is to you and your experienced subscribers. I was just wondering where the Costco UK, Samsung QE65QN93CATXXU model sits in the pecking order of the Samsung QN 4K series of the flagship model. I'm not fussed with the one connect box. I had been very close to buying the Samsung QN95B 65" uk model. Its for a bright room setting with windows in the background so wanted to understand this years 2023 anti reflection in comparison to the 2022 model in this class (9 series) Thank you out there
Oh, how I hate those vertical bands you talk about at 4:09 . Using it as a computer monitor (73 Inch version from 2020) even normal excel sheets were sometimes enough to force those vertical bands, and some websites triggered it too. So that issue is STILL not resolved for their LED TVs after more than three years. Luckily I could get my money back since I had four major and seven minor complaints and moved to an LG OLED C1.
@@NexGenTek Yeah, but then again, low nit/APL content has its place, too…just not like that lol. In a TV show especially, where people are probably watching with all kinds of ambient lights on in their living room, ignoring proper viewing recommendations 😅 TV’s shouldn’t dim when displaying 1 nit either! Maddening to me! It make almost zero sense imo. Called it out for years on LG OLED. Agreed tho, I don’t think that was a great use case of HDR 😉 Hence why I didn’t watch that show, despite being a GoT fan. It’s funny bias lighting recommendations are 5 nits for HDR 😅 NOT ONE!!!!! I still can’t understand the direction of their HDR implementation, to save my life….especially considering HBO must have a decent budget for a quality grading monitor, and or client reference.
@@mz1929 serious, Hisense have 2 models out, I have the SX65 right next to me, it developed a panel fault after 2 years so am getting an OLED to replace it. It weighs 40KG without the stand, this has a 1080P b&w 4 bit panel for contrast, and 8 bit for color, which makes it a native 12 bit panel. It does blacks brilliantly, but that fault ruins the viewing, it has slight light bleed from bottom so it's time to farewell it. I have no real choice, I hate having to go into OLED due to IR. I hammer my screens. Time to nurse the newer panel, but I am sure I will be able to deal with it, I have 2 plasmas here too.
In my country, LG cheekily released vids of image tearing side by side vids of Samsung OLED vs LG. How do you tear an image, or pixel lag such tiny content that expressively shows how bad the image handling is? I acquire my CS on Monday, not a great fan of OLED due to my uses, but have 5 year warranty and my 2 other TVs had product care so it's a direct swap no money changing. I took in my own UHD movies on an SSD to view in store, the panel was fantastic, even under store lighting which had limited overhead led down lighting. There was a $700 AUD difference between the C2 and CS, I don't need a brighter panel, I watch in a darkened room where I control the lighting. Now people think pushing more light means a better picture, well in the case of Samsung's offerings, your raising your blacks, which is not good. OLED is not intended for bright rooms, it never has been. Same as LCDs are not intended for dark rooms. I have a Dual Cell TV and it developed a fault, it was the perfect panel, a marriage between OLED and LCD where you get almost near perfect blacks, without any fear of IR. People dismissed Dual Cell tech, Sony makes a 32 inch professional monitor that costs $54K AUD here. I paid $1495 AUD and enjoyed this tech for 2 years, I have it next to a TCL C835 and can tell you that Dual Cell blows away any miniled in blacks or contrast. We had the perfect tech, but we dismissed it, my country is widely to blame too, the US saw a 75 inch with gaming features, that was a sales failure too. The perfect tech was right there and we seemed to have missed it...
Saying that a TV it's not intended for a bright environment it's like saying a car it's not intended for being driven.🤣. I game in my Q70B 55 QLED in s obscure environment and it's absolutely perfect since the game mode cames with controlled Level of nits like any TV out there. For example C1 which it's a OLED, has 800 nits peek brightness which it's higher than my QLED that is 650 nits in game mode so what now,the C1 it's too bright for a dark room in game?,no it's not because the brightness it's not the same for SDR or HDR,game mode or standards modes. If my TV brightness bother me when watching Apps in a dark environment I will adjust my brightness and gama in conformity with the light, easy pease🤣. By the way saying the Samsung it's raising the blacks it's stupid and I am pretty sur that you have no idea that the contrast enhancer in Samsung brand it's tied directly to the HDMI black level from 2022 models and up and you need to adjust it according your content you see. F.expm. in seriesX consoles and when playing games in HDR must be disabled,when watching SDR content with bt709 gamut the contrast enhancer has to be in low,in general using a console with a QLED your HDMI black level must be on normal and not Auto or Low,etc so talking about crushed blacks without having no idea about Black levels it's laughable.🤣
@@ADISTOD3MUS you have no idea what you're talking about, most OLEDs get calibrated for 100 nits. You don't need to go bright because most people intend to control the room lighting. The more light you push, the more the eye loses the ability to convey contrast, this is a fact, so if you have ambient lighting when trying to watch dark content, you're not going to get good results, vice versa, if you have a dark room and flood the room with bright content, don't expect to get good blacks with an LCD, you just can't. You haven't experienced gaming with DV, which is a dynamic HDR, so you know very little about how TVs are intended to be used with specific lighting conditions and also the tech needed. I have a 65 inch QLED DV & HDR10+ tv sitting right next to a 65 inch OLED, which do you think looks brighter when gaming under DV? You wouldn't know because you haven't even began to understand what I am taking about, nor do you understand the fundamentals of the tech. Why does my 750 peak nits OLED get brighter than my 1500 peak nits of my miniLED? I doubt you even begin to understand how the eye works as a receptor, when you flood it with too much light, you lose the ability to convey contrast properly. So a bright room ambient lighting is already a losing battle, why is it you need to sit in a cinema for around 15 mins so your can eyes adjust to the controlled lighting? Yeah buh buh buh I haff da Samsung QLED. Erm ok.
Nice video vincent. The calobration sounds like a reason to buy from you. Im a little concerned about buying the qn95c on this video...most of the images looked washed out compared to the oled. Is it really that bad Vincent? Or just a camera thing?
Yeah on camera it looked terrible in those low level brightness scenes, it can't be worse than my QN90B can it? Mine never looks that bad. Must be the camera making it look alot worse than in person.
Can you do the same review but with the Sony QD-OLED? I’m curious to see that Sony did with the calibration since they have the best reference monitors.
If you want a mini led tv. I don’t understand why you would choose this over the new tcl. The tcl gets brighter, has more dimming zones, a better operating system, has dolby support and is significantly cheaper. If your answer is gaming, then you should be getting a qd-oled or the g3 anyways. I just don’t see the market for the Samsung QN95C. Which is probably why they’re going to be dropping the mini led range from next year and focusing on oleds. They’ve already bought a lot of oled panels from LG display.
I have the 835 and for both PC work and gaming, it's stellar. The added bonus is when I edit. I can use DV if needed, Samsung I cannot, so yes much much cheaper, I paid $1200 AUD for the 835 65 inch, here the QN95B an older model is an eye watering $4K AUD for 65 inch. Samsung is not worth 3 times more for less features
Hi Vincent, great video, thank you. I cannot decide between S95C and QN95C. Both are great but I like the picture quality of the S95C a bit better. The problem is that the TV is going to be in a warm environment. In summer the temperature in the room can get to 77-86 °F. I heard that OLEDs autodim in warm environment, is this true? Can you please confirm? In case yes, I suppose Miniled is the only option for me. Thank you for your help
No, they fully support the HDR10/10+/adaptive open formats. It would be like asking why does Sony not support the HD-DVD format why only Blu-ray, with that format war?.........
My dear Vincent, I was looking forward to this review of the QN95C, but honestly, I was waiting for more information about the blooming and the viewing angle! The native 2700:1 contrast is a joke, which I think makes the blooming annoying even with 1344 local dimming zones!
Since the demise plasma, Oled quickly established itself as the cutting edge technology, but struggled to hold its own in a moderate to well lit room. That triggered the ‘brightness wars’ with manufacturers competing to produce the brightest picture. But, is brighter necessarily better? I have a premium A brand 65 inch Oled in my ‘man cave’ and a 98 inch dlt QLED in our lounge. The Oled does have the better picture. The QLED is brighter. They are both excellent televisions. Unless you were to compare them side by side, I doubt you’d notice. Vut, regardless of picture quality or brightness, the sheer screen real estate of the QLED, trumps everything!
I’ve 3 Oled’s and 3 mini LED’s. The more I’ve experienced them the more I appreciate that oled is the undisputed king. In bright scenes, only side by side would I care for the difference. In dark scenes, oled destroys mini led.
If you’re just in for cinematic viewing - which is almost always done in dark room - OLED will always reign supreme. This “brightness war” is just there in the LED space to see who can achieve peak brightness in order to get the best contrast ratio. Remember, higher the peak brightness, higher the numerator, and higher the contrast ratio. OLED doesn’t need to care for that crap in a well dimly lit room. Even at 100 nits… OLED still has a denominator of 0, virtually giving you an infinite contrast ratio irrespective of brightness. If not for burn in - OLED is by far the best display tech out there by a mile. Especially for cinematic movie watching, cinematic games, and perhaps even competitive gaming due to the microsecond latency For example, even in a game like sims - with no native HDR - when I pan around and look at the sun, on a fairly dim OLED monitor (250 nits) - the sun feels warm and sears my eyes like real life. On an LED - it just feels like looking at a screen (even in higher end mini led monitors like the Neo G8). This is because of the infinite contrast OLED has that’s reminiscent to how brightness is perceived in real life too by our eyes.
@@brandonchutt312 lol no it doesn’t 🤦🏻♂️ it consume even less power then miniLED and Samsung is coming out in 2023/2024 with the first MicroLED tv’s. MicroLED is organic light source like OLED and will be very low in power consumption, very very low. I just love the dumb people upvoteding you dumb statement when microled literally has less power consumption then miniled and oled 🤦🏻♂️ it’s like dumb and dumber 😂
@@BA3YDADDY Well if they do make it organic, then it will just suffer the same burn in problem as OLEDs. Plus there is no point in segmenting the organic electroluminescent layer into separate LED packages and then soldering them to a panel when you can lithographically deposit the organic electroluminescent layer on one panel like on OLEDs. Way better for uniformity and way cheaper as well. The reality is that LEDs have too large of a eV bandgap to produce a photon for us to have a separate LED for a 4k display. Unless they have discovered a revolutionary new material with a low eV bandgap and doesn't suffer from burn in, you will be waiting a while for that micro LED display 🥲
@@brandonchutt312 Samsung has been showing off microled the last 6 years at CES! How hard is it to do a google 🤦🏻♂️ MicroLeD is a organic source but still led and can not get burn in. What about you do your research before speaking on something ? Because you know absolutely nothing about microled 😂 MicroLED will have less power consumption then oled and it can get 3 times brighter. Now do some research before you comment the next time 🫳🏻🎤 Notification off, I’m getting dumber every second speaking to you.
I managed to snag a 2022 75" QN95B for 1000 usd including taxes and shipping new due to samsung clearing shelves. Should arrive either tomorrow or early next week. I'm going from a 2019 Q80R 65" so should be an upgrade still.
Hi Vincent. Does Quick Media switching work with this TV? Can you test with the latest 2022 Apple TV 4K? Thanks! :) I read that you have to put Game Mode to AUTO for it to work. This could be a hidden gem with these 2023 Samsung models. Please check this out as it would be very helpful for me.
Did you calibrate your camera on the brightest screen before recording ? I think it's the wrong way to do it since the brighter screen will always look far brighter than the less bright compared to real live viewing I think the best way to calibrate your camera would be to always use the same light bulb each time outputting the same amount of lumen so every of your test would have the camera calibrated on the same parameters, this would create a more realistic viewing comparison between the 2 screen in a video, and allow us to watch multiple video at the same time and compare the tv between each of the videos
You don´t capliprate camera. Camera is suposed to capture the picture, not to chanhe it. So wha you see shows real diferense considering what your own screen and youtube allows…
@@haukikannel that’s not necessarily true because sometimes the camera will clip out the brighter image to keep details on the dimmer tv. So when you watch the video back the brighter tv will look washed out or have less detail when that’s not the case
You shouldn’t really judge picture quality from the images on TH-cam videos. It’s best to to just take on board the information being presented and not draw conclusions from what you can see on the tvs themselves as you don’t know how the camera is set up. The rooms lighting and the video itself being compressed by TH-cam. If vincent tells you he’s getting readings that one tv is brighter and it looks clearer then take that on board even if what you can see on screen might not be that clear to you.
OLED TVs are the technology of the future, but there are three reasons why I stay away from them. 1-Although the image quality is very good, the brightness is so high that I can feel my eyes getting sensitive and painful after watching a 2-hour movie. 2-Burn-In 3-OLEDs are extra expensive That's why the QD-Mini LED TV has always been more suitable for me. I hope they will fix these problems in the future and my opinion about OLEDs will change.
Hi Vincent, Would it be possible to review ANY of the Philips Miniled tvs? I've been scavanging the net and find next to nothing. I believe you covered their launch at some point.
I would love to have an oled in my living room but it's a bright room and the tv in that room is on a lot during the day(im retired). So I have a mini there so I don't have to worry about burn in. My best bet is to upgrade my mini in a couple of years. I do have an oled in my bedroom and it's used for 1-2 hours a day.
so watching dark movies on s90c is impossible after a couple of minutes unless you turn off burn in protection :) sounds like a feature. i wander what people do. do they turn off protection or don't watch dark movies or they do it only right before they intend to watch dark movie.
Panasonic oled might be the best choice for shadow detail, newer lg oled tvs should also be fine, sony is brightening up the nearblack area. Panasonic: best manual shadow detail calibration options (down to 0.5 ire) Lg: best calman autocal shadow detail calibration options (at least on paper-26 Point wb/ gamma adjustment) Sony: no shadow detail calibration options (
Hi Vincent, will you be reviewing the 65" Sony X95L, i'm really interested to see if it is that much better than the 65" X95K of last year, then going to decide which to buy? Thankyou
I know it’s not a review of Sony but I can not find anywhere what is the difference between Sony X95L European model and US model. I know here in UK we have X95L in smaller screen sizes than only 85 in US. Their smaller screens are X93L . I’m wondering if the UK versions are actually X93L just renamed X95L or it’s actual X95L just with smaller screens available
It does exist, Sony here is 54K AUD, I paid $1500 AUD for the Hisense dual cell SX65. It uses a 4 bit monochromatic 1080P panel for dimming, 8 bit for color 4K, the result is 2million + dimming zones. Weighs a ton, 40KG without stand, stand is a sub @ 20KGs. UDG9 is the 75 inch US release based on same tech. Amazing blacks for an LCD.
Can you tell me which Samsung model I should buy if I’m looking for the best clarity without all the frills or extra? I just want to turn the tv on and watch the best picture possible without having to tweak it all the time.
SAMSUNG NO DV EXPLAINED: Dolby Vision content is mastered up to 12-bit colour depth. NO 4k TV can produce more than 10-bit. compared to HDR10's 10-bit (which is where HDR10 gets its name from) How do you think Samsung S95C was awarded with Pantone validated skin colour and accuracy. Let’s wait to see Sony A95L QD Oled with DV and see if it’s much better than S95C (also if it justifies the price)
@@dankeplace No you don't! They're isn't currently any 12 bit panel tv's or displays on the market yet for sale. That dual cell Hisense tv you have that was originally released in China a few years ago is only a 10 bit panel 👍🏾
@@C--A No it's not a 10 bit panel, it's 12 bit, 4 bit chromatic and 8 bit color. If you knew anything about panels, you would know both the SX65 (Australian release) and UDG9 (US release) are both 12 bit panels, good for you though, thinking you know something about something you've never owned.
doctorparker1736 Do you work for Samsung marketing lmfao. Obviously Samsung are going to tell people Dolby Vision isn't needed! Whereas the majority of 4K blu ray disc releases have Dolby Vision. Side by side comparisons on the same tv (switching off Dolby Vision on one so HDR10 is enabled) using the same movie have shown Dolby Vision looks better than HDR10, even on our current 10 bit panel tv's. Go watch some of Vincent's older videos where he will explain in depth detail why Dolby Vision produces a better picture (most of the time depending on the movie) than HDR10 👌🏾
@@C--A you're actually incorrect, most movies are HDR10, not DV, then to add, some DV encodes are inferior to the HDR10 content, it depends which company encoded them, another baseless claim, you should research rather than throw out claims you can't substantiate.
The S90C looks just as bright, really cant tell them apart and I paused the video many times. Am sure you could notice in person and if you played sports and not a movie
Native contrast is quite low. TCL is much more strong in that regard. It would be interesting to see QN90C/QN85C reviews as more affordable TVs. There is some information that even QN85C will be using VA panels. Without wide viewing angle and having higher native contrast for less money it looks like bargain
The problem is, OLEDs are dim so you getting the contrast which is a + but the dimming is a - which your getting a + / - effect.... Like i had the LG CX and i loved the contrast that it delivered but the dimming made it look weird at the same time. Also OLEDS will get burn in sooner then later only a matter of time MINI led isnt perfect but ill take it over oled
Because you aren't there in person. You are watching on a recorded video with a camera that will distort some of what he sees which then is beamed to your display which further takes away from whatever he sees in person.
Please make a comparison using anime or cartoon between qd-oled and neo-qled. I have a feelings colors will pop more on qd-oled just like my samsung amoled phone. Thanks
On your phone you probably use the vivid mode, that fucks the colors and burns your retina. They’re not the color the artists intended. You can use vivid mode on any tv and have similar results.
this is totally inaccurate, you need a specific brightness to achieve real HDR content, OLED is handicapped here and will never be able to do what miniled can do when it comes to nits. OLEDs also vary in accuracy of colors.
@@dankeplace I don't care how bright you make an image, brightness can never replace a quality picture. Just because you add more nits doesn't mean your panel is better or your TV's picture quality is improved. All you're doing is compensating for your lack of picture quality with brightness. I'll take a high quality OLED display over some over-brightened washed out MiniLED any day of the week.
@@---GOD--- I dunno man on mine i've seen some jaw dropping shit on my QN90A, problem is it's kind of rare cause most content isn't made to go that high. I like my oled (S95B) a lot, but brightness is a big impact for me in the games and content that support it.
I am good with my 10 year old Samsung 4K TV. Probably because it isn't OLED. I have perfect stars and also excellent contrast. OLED still has a long way to go before it reaches affordable price, quality and durability.
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Please consider doing a video on motion processing, explaining in detail what all the various terminology means and options do, such as telecine, pulldown, judder, interpolation, BFI etc etc. Like many, I have some understanding of these technologies but a dedicated video which explains all of them would be a great help to many I'm sure.
these vids already exist, why would Vincent waste time explaining when it's been done s ton times before?
@@dankeplace Same reason he makes any videos at all. His explanations are typically better and more thorough than others.
@@amazin7006 he generally does reviews, he is not a dictionary. People need to stop having their hands held, or expect to.
@@dankeplace That's a ridiculous argument.
@@robertlawrence9000 it's ridiculous to you, but that vid doesn't exist for a reason.
Hi, Vincent I gotta say you got the Samsungs really close to Ref Sony Monitor. We do lose accuracy on TH-cam but man they look close. Great job.
honestly. if u get and oled or mini led. u win. period. they are both great.
Fantastic! I still think the X95K looks better in the 007 Spectre scenes where Samsung QLED Mini LEDs tend to overblow the image. For that accuracry, you have to deal with more blooming on the Sony MiniLeds, though.
Not on this years Samsungs. They no longer overshoot EOTF if dynamic tone mapping is set to static.
@@highdefnews Okay, maybe the footage was just somewhat saturated or something. I have heard a lot of good things about the latest Samsung Miniled, and if they have fixed that problem, then they may be better than Sony this year. Let's see what the X95L brings.
I sold my 65S95B for a 85C845 and it was a good decision. Not just because of the bigger size but also because the local dimming is great on the 85 inch while having a peak brightness of 2x-3x that of the 65S95B. TV is mainly used for PS5 gaming.
can you comment on the blooming effect regarding subtitles on the miniled
@@ts8960if you get 85 inch you have so many mini-leds that you barely have any blooming. Might be different for smaller versions though
better to spend for pc hardware and good pc monitor than for expensive TV all tv channels are most non hd and full hd not 4k... and non hdr.. waist of money.
After 8 minutes on that dark scene, on the OLED you can barely see it. Very cool tech lol
Static or loop which no one will ever do lol
@NexGenTek: It was not static or looped... that House of The Dragon beach scene was playing normally without interruption.
@@NexGenTek It's not static or loop he was playing back the content in real time. Please watch the video.
@@hdtvtest Thank you for clarifying. Consumers need to understand the pros and cons of both technologies. Always enjoy your videos Vincent. :)
@@hdtvtest That's new. Because the way you triggered it last year was by using a loop. I'm guessing because the show is graded so dark it triggered the dimming because it doesn't happen normally like that.
I upgraded by Samsung 43" MU7000 to a QN90B because I found a great deal locally earlier this year. But it is amazing to see how quickly the quality of TVs change of just a year.
I mean you went from a low end TV to a high-end TV. If you compare the top end TVs of last year to this year there isn't a big gap
Its a better choice than this year's QN90C so congrats
Only a year ?? im planning to upgrade my 5+ years TV when sales hit (still not decided whether qn95c or s95c) XD
@@Sejuani89 what makes the B better than the C?
Excellent. I'll take my 10 year no burn in guarantee now.
Guys remember, on miniled for gaming the motion plus HAS to be enabled, but turn everything to zero. This will solve many image problems like a sort of green trail behind bright objects on a dark background.
This it's 💯% correct. Lots have no clue that ONLY enable it without touching everything else your games look absolutely amazing than before and actually it DOESN'T add lag in that way. I discovered this on my seriesX and my brand new Q70B Samsung TV and it really does a noticable difference while my games are running at solid 60fps.👍
@@ADISTOD3MUS Thanks, I'm gonna try it
Still waiting for OLED monitor to buy. Without this channel I would have bought one allready :D
Go to monitors unboxed for that.
The weakness of Samsung TV's appears to be the tv chipset and not the screen itself if the same issues of last year keep popping up.
They need to improve that, firmware releases and the OS.
True all most of the tvs get there screens from Samsung
But Sony that use mediatek chipset with 2 HDMI 2.1 that’s actually an old chipset nobody wants to talk about that 😅?
Samsung doesn't make its own displays anymore apart from qd oled. TCL is the main producer of LED panels, also for Samsung. You forgot to mention the build quality as well, both for qled and qd oled, which is absolute trash.
@@1LiterSpaWater Yes buildquality was horrible
@@1LiterSpaWater Samsung does make panels, TCL don't make LED panels, they make LCD panels with LED back lighting, albeit edgelit, backlit, FALD or miniled.
For me the best example of QLED inferiority was the Q90T + PS5 + Bloodborne menu. Probably because of that cap on the brightness of small elements, the menu of BB was so gloomy that I could barely see white menu options on the dark background. And this transfers to gameplay as well. Take Ghost of Tsushima at night as an instance. Q90T rendered it as an almost BLACK picture. Even the lower level Q80T could handle it better, probably again because of the same algorithm. My guess is that it is not that hard in the lower-end model, because of a much less number of local dimming zone.
If you could include these two test scenarios in your further reviews - it might be helpful for us to pick a better TV.
PS. Both referred models were calibrated according to recommendations from this channel.
Seeing the HX310 in these reviews is both awesome & extremely frustrating. It’s awesome because it’s a great frame of reference, but extremely frustrating because no commercial TV comes close to looking that good 😂 😭
Hisense has 2 Dual Cell models.
It's extremely frustrating to see such severe black crush on the samsung tvs.
I can't accept a downgrade in terms of shadow detail coming from a panasonic oled.
The problem with the HX310 is it can only reach 1000 nits max for highlights/fullscreen so you can see in the video where the TVs are both brighter than it sometimes for the highlights, I think for colours now the A95K beat's it as well for BT2020. Really need the Dolby Pulsar now..... 😀
@@barryjones2366 The HX310 is a reference monitor, possibly for color grading or editing.
Anyone using this, would not need more than 1000 nits due to viewing distance, it's only a 31 inch monitor, and you would possibly be around 50cm from it.
@@gbhxvohdchigblkh4620 Your HDMI black level must be all over the place my friend 🤣.
@HDTVTest good video, very useful, but please give us the review of S95C and the comparison between S95C and LG G3, especially with game content! Thank you.
I prefer reduced brightness vs obvious blooming. The subtitle example was easily the best of any LED I've seen.
MacBook Pro does it a lot better but that's an unfair comparison given 2000 dimming zones on 14"
I was considering the qn95c over the s95c for gaming since I like bright images. But seeing the local dimming process being worse in game mode really helped me in deciding for the s95c. Thank you for showing this important information about the qn95c which I havent found ANYWHERE ELSE
RTINGS also showed this in their test
@@xxxxxx4085 rtings does not have the qn95c up yet. I wont look up local dimming behavior from different/older TVs and assume its the same on the qn95c since they improved local dimming this year
Local dimming is always worse in game mode. That's why LCD screens suck for gaming.
@@OlderRockRocks Thanks for letting me know. I will keep this in mind. I didnt know that
I have the QN95B and the same game shown in this video DMC and it looks nowhere near as bad as it did here, must be something going on I can't believe with double the dimming zones that it would look that washed out when it doesn't on my QN95B.
I own S95C, S95B, C1 48”, A95K, and last years 8K QN900B… None of these are perfect, but the S95C after calibration is absolutely jaw dropping, stands tall above the rest…
How about S95C vs LG G3, would be interesting
You havent seen a jaw drop yet. Just do the ana peak 2, maxlum1 luminance, PLC luminance and on top of that turn off abl to get 2500nits peaks on 1-3%. Then come back with your jaw
Washed out blacks with ambient light.
I work with TV's and the G3 out of the box ruins the s95c, have not calibrated either yet though.
Why do you need soo many TVs
Why is brightness so important? I feel like my LG C9 is already burning my eyes out. I have to pinch my eyes so often when watching a movie or tv show.
It is mostly important for people who watch TV in a bright room.
Thank you for your great work. Which tv is better when watching sports/football?
Good review, I don't think the LD on game mode will look as bad as it did in this video, something must be going on as it looks nowhere near that bad on my QN95B.
It doesn't look like that on game mode. I have a neighborhood that has the TV with a seriesX and it looks absolutely amazing in game mode. This videos are done with purposes.
SAMSUNG JUST GIVE US DOLBY VISION
They don’t want to pay to license it
You forgot to say, please
Samsung: noooooo 🎶
@@David-nd4to Which is stupid since they would pass the costs to the consumer anyway. If we learned anything about companies recently is that they will almost never absorb costs.
@@grimdicer152 Good point, maybe that will finally do it.
OLED is great for evening film viewing but I don't think I'd buy one for daytime use or if I had kids that are likely to leave the same image on screen for prolonged periods.
The burn in mitigation stuff is getting really good. I use an oled for my main monitor (LG C2) and I leave static images on the screen and walk away. If the same image is up it dims, and if the computer goes to sleep it changes to a slide show, and if the computer doesn't go to sleep it changes to a mostly black screen saver. I've never noticed a trace of burn in with my OLED or my qdoled tv
@@derekfurst6233 same.... iv never known any one ever to get burn in. I also use mine as a PC monitor.. 55 inch.. would never go lower now... even tho I thot 48 would be too big .. nope
LG, Panasonic and Philips will all have MLA this year, which are fine for daytime viewing. As is the LG G2, based on RTINGs SDR real scene brightness figures. Expensive but it can be done.
5 OLEDS and 2 children with xbox/ps/switch. 0 Burn in.... HOURS AND HOURS of ROBLOX... 0 burn-in. You're fine. And now with the QD-OLED besting mini-led in brightness, what's not to love. Oh yeah, and it's even better with OLED and not having DSE
@@johnathansmith1003 Is OLED or QD OLED better for your eyes than MiniLED QLED?
Vincent, will you be reviewing the new TCL QM8?
It's not available in the UK. The yet to be released in UK TCL C845 is a step-down model with about half the dimming zones. Apparently the C955 which may release by end of the year in the UK is basically the UK version of the QM8 which itself is based on the chinese Q10H.
Excellent review! Just wondering when you showed the game footage with raised blacks did you have Game HDR On or Off, it looked Off? What does it look like with Game HDR On I wonder when setup correctly for 2000 nits? 😀 Are the blacks better and then the whole picture? What about responsiveness of the back-light in Game Mode is it better than last year and is it noticeably worse than regular picture modes? Thanks Vincent!
Thank you Vincent for the excellent review, i wish you could do a comparison between all the neo qled TVs qn90a vs qn90b vs qn95c (qn90c is a straight downgrade) to see if there is improvements or downgrades
I would love to see this. I want to see how Samsung improves (or not) their QLED mini LEDs
QN90C is better than the QN90B so I would include it in a comparison. Check out Classy Techs review. ADS/IPS panels are normally worse than VA but not this year on Samsungs. He will compare them, he has a QN90B, QN90C and now has a QN95C.... 😀
@@barryjones2366 rtings says otherwise. rtings is the most comprehensive and most objective TV review site. They scored QN90C lower than the QN90B
@@Sejuani89 RTings is not that good for their observations, they are only good for measurements. Their scores are sometimes very weird. The QN95B has newer firmware than the QN90B it has older firmware where the brightness was a bit more, so you should compare the QN95Bs score with the QN90C and the QN90C scores a bit higher......not that it means alot, for some reason they gave the 90B and 95B really different scores for TV shows.....Classy said when side by side the QN90C is better for blooming control and balance to the picture because it's more accurate with the new Static Tone Mapping option and has better local dimming algorithms. Should be better for viewing angles as well. So just depends do you want a TV with more blooming or a brighter TV with less blooming, better viewing angles, motion, playing low bit-rate content and accuracy? Did you watch the Classy Tech review? He covers the stuff that matters more than RTings.
@@barryjones2366classy approach is subjective and doesn't show how he came to that conclusion, rtings shows us the differencea in an objective test
Looks like the battle wages on between the TLC QM8 vs U8K for this year's best miniLED.
That starfield performance is just sad across every miniLED released so far, I don't see any non-OLED surviving it but hopefully with a couple thousand zones instead of just 1000, we can finally get close enough for reference. TLC and Hisense are the only 2 brands taking miniLED serious as everyone goes all-in for their OLEDs.
Have u seent... the TCL run the stars???
I'd like to see how it does
😂 , both of those tvs look horrible when compared to a Sony top of line or Samsung
TCL generally crushes shadow detail more than Samsung, so it’ll probably fair worse in that star field test.
@@tears2040 so in other words, you've seen none?
Vincent is based in Europe, so he can only test the european equivalent C845
Let see how Qn90C fares against the TCL C845 in europe.
Yea. It is more affordable and interesting
Hi thanks for all the info you provide for all of us, this is to you and your experienced subscribers. I was just wondering where the Costco UK, Samsung QE65QN93CATXXU model sits in the pecking order of the Samsung QN 4K series of the flagship model. I'm not fussed with the one connect box.
I had been very close to buying the Samsung QN95B 65" uk model. Its for a bright room setting with windows in the background so wanted to understand this years 2023 anti reflection in comparison to the 2022 model in this class (9 series) Thank you out there
Oh, how I hate those vertical bands you talk about at 4:09 . Using it as a computer monitor (73 Inch version from 2020) even normal excel sheets were sometimes enough to force those vertical bands, and some websites triggered it too. So that issue is STILL not resolved for their LED TVs after more than three years.
Luckily I could get my money back since I had four major and seven minor complaints and moved to an LG OLED C1.
I'm thankful i haven't had this issue lol.
Can you try the QN95C vs the S95C?
“Auto dimming shenanigans” Should be illegal 😜
Grading a scene in a show to 1nit should be illegal lol
@@NexGenTek Yeah, but then again, low nit/APL content has its place, too…just not like that lol. In a TV show especially, where people are probably watching with all kinds of ambient lights on in their living room, ignoring proper viewing recommendations 😅
TV’s shouldn’t dim when displaying 1 nit either! Maddening to me! It make almost zero sense imo. Called it out for years on LG OLED. Agreed tho, I don’t think that was a great use case of HDR 😉 Hence why I didn’t watch that show, despite being a GoT fan.
It’s funny bias lighting recommendations are 5 nits for HDR 😅 NOT ONE!!!!! I still can’t understand the direction of their HDR implementation, to save my life….especially considering HBO must have a decent budget for a quality grading monitor, and or client reference.
What is the Sony reference monitors made of? Are they OLED's ? How do they do the space and stars so well if they are not OLED
It's more than likely the Dual Cell, which is a color and b&w panel wedged together.
So you get 8 million dimming zones on an LCD.
@@dankeplace oh shit really?
@@mz1929 serious, Hisense have 2 models out, I have the SX65 right next to me, it developed a panel fault after 2 years so am getting an OLED to replace it.
It weighs 40KG without the stand, this has a 1080P b&w 4 bit panel for contrast, and 8 bit for color, which makes it a native 12 bit panel.
It does blacks brilliantly, but that fault ruins the viewing, it has slight light bleed from bottom so it's time to farewell it.
I have no real choice, I hate having to go into OLED due to IR. I hammer my screens.
Time to nurse the newer panel, but I am sure I will be able to deal with it, I have 2 plasmas here too.
Is calibration needed for the average consumer when buying a relatively high-end TV?
looks great on my CRT tv.
Thx for your job!! May I ask if you'll review the Samsung S95C? Thx and have a nice day!
Can you do a test review of the C845 TCL?
So do I want the QN95C or X95L? Having trouble deciding. Netflix have a lot of Dolby vision content should that influence the choice?
Sony
i wish TVs would revolve around the BFI tech so that I could game without the sample and hold blur
Vincent, what do your insiders say, will there be an analogue of TCL X11G in the West?
Yes.
In my country, LG cheekily released vids of image tearing side by side vids of Samsung OLED vs LG.
How do you tear an image, or pixel lag such tiny content that expressively shows how bad the image handling is?
I acquire my CS on Monday, not a great fan of OLED due to my uses, but have 5 year warranty and my 2 other TVs had product care so it's a direct swap no money changing.
I took in my own UHD movies on an SSD to view in store, the panel was fantastic, even under store lighting which had limited overhead led down lighting.
There was a $700 AUD difference between the C2 and CS, I don't need a brighter panel, I watch in a darkened room where I control the lighting.
Now people think pushing more light means a better picture, well in the case of Samsung's offerings, your raising your blacks, which is not good.
OLED is not intended for bright rooms, it never has been. Same as LCDs are not intended for dark rooms.
I have a Dual Cell TV and it developed a fault, it was the perfect panel, a marriage between OLED and LCD where you get almost near perfect blacks, without any fear of IR.
People dismissed Dual Cell tech, Sony makes a 32 inch professional monitor that costs $54K AUD here.
I paid $1495 AUD and enjoyed this tech for 2 years, I have it next to a TCL C835 and can tell you that Dual Cell blows away any miniled in blacks or contrast.
We had the perfect tech, but we dismissed it, my country is widely to blame too, the US saw a 75 inch with gaming features, that was a sales failure too.
The perfect tech was right there and we seemed to have missed it...
Saying that a TV it's not intended for a bright environment it's like saying a car it's not intended for being driven.🤣. I game in my Q70B 55 QLED in s obscure environment and it's absolutely perfect since the game mode cames with controlled Level of nits like any TV out there. For example C1 which it's a OLED, has 800 nits peek brightness which it's higher than my QLED that is 650 nits in game mode so what now,the C1 it's too bright for a dark room in game?,no it's not because the brightness it's not the same for SDR or HDR,game mode or standards modes. If my TV brightness bother me when watching Apps in a dark environment I will adjust my brightness and gama in conformity with the light, easy pease🤣. By the way saying the Samsung it's raising the blacks it's stupid and I am pretty sur that you have no idea that the contrast enhancer in Samsung brand it's tied directly to the HDMI black level from 2022 models and up and you need to adjust it according your content you see. F.expm. in seriesX consoles and when playing games in HDR must be disabled,when watching SDR content with bt709 gamut the contrast enhancer has to be in low,in general using a console with a QLED your HDMI black level must be on normal and not Auto or Low,etc so talking about crushed blacks without having no idea about Black levels it's laughable.🤣
@@ADISTOD3MUS you have no idea what you're talking about, most OLEDs get calibrated for 100 nits. You don't need to go bright because most people intend to control the room lighting.
The more light you push, the more the eye loses the ability to convey contrast, this is a fact, so if you have ambient lighting when trying to watch dark content, you're not going to get good results, vice versa, if you have a dark room and flood the room with bright content, don't expect to get good blacks with an LCD, you just can't.
You haven't experienced gaming with DV, which is a dynamic HDR, so you know very little about how TVs are intended to be used with specific lighting conditions and also the tech needed.
I have a 65 inch QLED DV & HDR10+ tv sitting right next to a 65 inch OLED, which do you think looks brighter when gaming under DV? You wouldn't know because you haven't even began to understand what I am taking about, nor do you understand the fundamentals of the tech.
Why does my 750 peak nits OLED get brighter than my 1500 peak nits of my miniLED?
I doubt you even begin to understand how the eye works as a receptor, when you flood it with too much light, you lose the ability to convey contrast properly.
So a bright room ambient lighting is already a losing battle, why is it you need to sit in a cinema for around 15 mins so your can eyes adjust to the controlled lighting?
Yeah buh buh buh I haff da Samsung QLED.
Erm ok.
@HDTVTEST will you be doing settings for QN95C?
Hi Vincent. Will you be covering other OLED monitors such as the AOC or the Corsair? Thanks
Nice video vincent. The calobration sounds like a reason to buy from you.
Im a little concerned about buying the qn95c on this video...most of the images looked washed out compared to the oled. Is it really that bad Vincent? Or just a camera thing?
Yeah on camera it looked terrible in those low level brightness scenes, it can't be worse than my QN90B can it? Mine never looks that bad. Must be the camera making it look alot worse than in person.
@@barryjones2366 Must be...
Can you do the same review but with the Sony QD-OLED? I’m curious to see that Sony did with the calibration since they have the best reference monitors.
Does 45 Contrast for SDR not cause tinting/clipping near/above 235 white on your Samsung units?
If you want a mini led tv. I don’t understand why you would choose this over the new tcl. The tcl gets brighter, has more dimming zones, a better operating system, has dolby support and is significantly cheaper. If your answer is gaming, then you should be getting a qd-oled or the g3 anyways. I just don’t see the market for the Samsung QN95C. Which is probably why they’re going to be dropping the mini led range from next year and focusing on oleds. They’ve already bought a lot of oled panels from LG display.
I have the 835 and for both PC work and gaming, it's stellar.
The added bonus is when I edit. I can use DV if needed, Samsung I cannot, so yes much much cheaper, I paid $1200 AUD for the 835 65 inch, here the QN95B an older model is an eye watering $4K AUD for 65 inch.
Samsung is not worth 3 times more for less features
The TCL looks washed out and has tons of color issues.
@@Christiansstillstruggle if you’re after colour accuracy then getting a Samsung seems a misnomer.
Hi Vincent, great video, thank you.
I cannot decide between S95C and QN95C.
Both are great but I like the picture quality of the S95C a bit better.
The problem is that the TV is going to be in a warm environment.
In summer the temperature in the room can get to 77-86 °F.
I heard that OLEDs autodim in warm environment, is this true?
Can you please confirm?
In case yes, I suppose Miniled is the only option for me.
Thank you for your help
bright room QLED
dark room OLED
room temp doesnt matter
Vincent, I hope you test the TCL C845 vs. the QN95C.
TCL is 🗑️
@@tears2040 like your videos
@@tears2040 TCL is not perfect but local dimming is much better than on Samsung
Will Samsungs ever support Dolby Vision? And could it be from a software update?
No, they fully support the HDR10/10+/adaptive open formats. It would be like asking why does Sony not support the HD-DVD format why only Blu-ray, with that format war?.........
My dear Vincent, I was looking forward to this review of the QN95C, but honestly, I was waiting for more information about the blooming and the viewing angle! The native 2700:1 contrast is a joke, which I think makes the blooming annoying even with 1344 local dimming zones!
I think both are good Qled is a bit harder to watch for a long time than the other one
Good morning, please do this review with Sony Bravia 9 and A95L . Thank you
Why does the black crush look so severe?
Since the demise plasma, Oled quickly established itself as the cutting edge technology, but struggled to hold its own in a moderate to well lit room. That triggered the ‘brightness wars’ with manufacturers competing to produce the brightest picture. But, is brighter necessarily better?
I have a premium A brand 65 inch Oled in my ‘man cave’ and a 98 inch dlt QLED in our lounge. The Oled does have the better picture. The QLED is brighter. They are both excellent televisions. Unless you were to compare them side by side, I doubt you’d notice. Vut, regardless of picture quality or brightness, the sheer screen real estate of the QLED, trumps everything!
I’ve 3 Oled’s and 3 mini LED’s. The more I’ve experienced them the more I appreciate that oled is the undisputed king. In bright scenes, only side by side would I care for the difference. In dark scenes, oled destroys mini led.
If you’re just in for cinematic viewing - which is almost always done in dark room - OLED will always reign supreme. This “brightness war” is just there in the LED space to see who can achieve peak brightness in order to get the best contrast ratio. Remember, higher the peak brightness, higher the numerator, and higher the contrast ratio. OLED doesn’t need to care for that crap in a well dimly lit room. Even at 100 nits… OLED still has a denominator of 0, virtually giving you an infinite contrast ratio irrespective of brightness. If not for burn in - OLED is by far the best display tech out there by a mile. Especially for cinematic movie watching, cinematic games, and perhaps even competitive gaming due to the microsecond latency
For example, even in a game like sims - with no native HDR - when I pan around and look at the sun, on a fairly dim OLED monitor (250 nits) - the sun feels warm and sears my eyes like real life. On an LED - it just feels like looking at a screen (even in higher end mini led monitors like the Neo G8). This is because of the infinite contrast OLED has that’s reminiscent to how brightness is perceived in real life too by our eyes.
Excellent explanations! Thank you very much!
You forgot to mention the signal loss during gaming due to the one connect box! It's renders all one connect box Samsung tvs worthless for gaming.
MicroLED is what I really want to see 💯
The technology consumes too much power
@@brandonchutt312 lol no it doesn’t 🤦🏻♂️ it consume even less power then miniLED and Samsung is coming out in 2023/2024 with the first MicroLED tv’s. MicroLED is organic light source like OLED and will be very low in power consumption, very very low. I just love the dumb people upvoteding you dumb statement when microled literally has less power consumption then miniled and oled 🤦🏻♂️ it’s like dumb and dumber 😂
Do you have $60,000 for a Micro-LED? If you don’t, GTFO with that Micro-LED shit. That technology might never be affordable for normal consumers
@@BA3YDADDY Well if they do make it organic, then it will just suffer the same burn in problem as OLEDs. Plus there is no point in segmenting the organic electroluminescent layer into separate LED packages and then soldering them to a panel when you can lithographically deposit the organic electroluminescent layer on one panel like on OLEDs. Way better for uniformity and way cheaper as well.
The reality is that LEDs have too large of a eV bandgap to produce a photon for us to have a separate LED for a 4k display. Unless they have discovered a revolutionary new material with a low eV bandgap and doesn't suffer from burn in, you will be waiting a while for that micro LED display 🥲
@@brandonchutt312 Samsung has been showing off microled the last 6 years at CES! How hard is it to do a google 🤦🏻♂️ MicroLeD is a organic source but still led and can not get burn in.
What about you do your research before speaking on something ? Because you know absolutely nothing about microled 😂
MicroLED will have less power consumption then oled and it can get 3 times brighter.
Now do some research before you comment the next time 🫳🏻🎤
Notification off, I’m getting dumber every second speaking to you.
TCL flagship review please, I am ready to buy but will wait for Vincent.
I managed to snag a 2022 75" QN95B for 1000 usd including taxes and shipping new due to samsung clearing shelves.
Should arrive either tomorrow or early next week. I'm going from a 2019 Q80R 65" so should be an upgrade still.
Very good choice.
Hi Vincent. Does Quick Media switching work with this TV? Can you test with the latest 2022 Apple TV 4K? Thanks! :) I read that you have to put Game Mode to AUTO for it to work. This could be a hidden gem with these 2023 Samsung models. Please check this out as it would be very helpful for me.
Please compare it with the new TCL QM8
there is nothing interesting in it, it is worse than last year's C93
I can't wait to see Sony's implementation on both the LG MLA and Samsung QD OLED! what do you think Siny will do ?
Did you calibrate your camera on the brightest screen before recording ? I think it's the wrong way to do it since the brighter screen will always look far brighter than the less bright compared to real live viewing
I think the best way to calibrate your camera would be to always use the same light bulb each time outputting the same amount of lumen so every of your test would have the camera calibrated on the same parameters, this would create a more realistic viewing comparison between the 2 screen in a video, and allow us to watch multiple video at the same time and compare the tv between each of the videos
Really good point
You don´t capliprate camera. Camera is suposed to capture the picture, not to chanhe it. So wha you see shows real diferense considering what your own screen and youtube allows…
@@haukikannel that’s not necessarily true because sometimes the camera will clip out the brighter image to keep details on the dimmer tv. So when you watch the video back the brighter tv will look washed out or have less detail when that’s not the case
You shouldn’t really judge picture quality from the images on TH-cam videos. It’s best to to just take on board the information being presented and not draw conclusions from what you can see on the tvs themselves as you don’t know how the camera is set up. The rooms lighting and the video itself being compressed by TH-cam. If vincent tells you he’s getting readings that one tv is brighter and it looks clearer then take that on board even if what you can see on screen might not be that clear to you.
Vincent, do you have any news on the 2nd gen, QD-OLED 34 inch curved monitors coming soon?
What are you going to do when all TVs are made by TCL or Vestel ?
Vincent’s soothing robotic voice should be on Google translate china version
OLED TVs are the technology of the future, but there are three reasons why I stay away from them.
1-Although the image quality is very good, the brightness is so high that I can feel my eyes getting sensitive and painful after watching a 2-hour movie.
2-Burn-In
3-OLEDs are extra expensive
That's why the QD-Mini LED TV has always been more suitable for me. I hope they will fix these problems in the future and my opinion about OLEDs will change.
Hi Vincent,
Would it be possible to review ANY of the Philips Miniled tvs? I've been scavanging the net and find next to nothing. I believe you covered their launch at some point.
I would love to have an oled in my living room but it's a bright room and the tv in that room is on a lot during the day(im retired). So I have a mini there so I don't have to worry about burn in. My best bet is to upgrade my mini in a couple of years. I do have an oled in my bedroom and it's used for 1-2 hours a day.
so watching dark movies on s90c is impossible after a couple of minutes unless you turn off burn in protection :) sounds like a feature. i wander what people do. do they turn off protection or don't watch dark movies or they do it only right before they intend to watch dark movie.
Is s95c video review coming?
Vincent, is there an oled that doesn’t crush near black detail? Or, I guess it can be calibrated away?
Panasonic oled might be the best choice for shadow detail, newer lg oled tvs should also be fine, sony is brightening up the nearblack area.
Panasonic: best manual shadow detail calibration options (down to 0.5 ire)
Lg: best calman autocal shadow detail calibration options (at least on paper-26 Point wb/ gamma adjustment)
Sony: no shadow detail calibration options (
Hi Vincent, will you be reviewing the 65" Sony X95L, i'm really interested to see if it is that much better than the 65" X95K of last year, then going to decide which to buy? Thankyou
When will you review the s95c?
when he can afford it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mismagiuz he has an expensive colorimeter and works with a store that calibrates TVs, money is not a problem here.
@@MrlspPrt yeah I was joking, just taking a hit at how much the s95c costs
@@mismagiuzhuh? Doesn't cost as much as lg g3 or sony a95k, Samsung usually do good discounts and trade in prices
maybe a comparison of the QN90C to the Mini LED from sony? The Sony TV probably has more zones and a better processor
Sony tvs have a better processor, but they always have less zones, a lot less.
QD OLED has better picture but it’s just not worth the risk.
I know it’s not a review of Sony but I can not find anywhere what is the difference between Sony X95L European model and US model. I know here in UK we have X95L in smaller screen sizes than only 85 in US. Their smaller screens are X93L . I’m wondering if the UK versions are actually X93L just renamed X95L or it’s actual X95L just with smaller screens available
Is the tech in the HX310 more expensive to produce or micro LED? Just wondering why we never have seen a larger size in the HX310.
It does exist, Sony here is 54K AUD, I paid $1500 AUD for the Hisense dual cell SX65.
It uses a 4 bit monochromatic 1080P panel for dimming, 8 bit for color 4K, the result is 2million + dimming zones. Weighs a ton, 40KG without stand, stand is a sub @ 20KGs.
UDG9 is the 75 inch US release based on same tech. Amazing blacks for an LCD.
All these samsung models are super confusing. There is also the samsung qn90c, and I wonder if that is comparable to the qn95c or the s90c...
If only someone this dependable offered the pre-calibrated tv service in the US.
I've heard great things about Value Electronics in New York. They're the ones that do the Shootout every year.
Is the s95c 55 made by new panel gen2 qd oled or like s90c 55 panel qd oled 2022
Can you tell me which Samsung model I should buy if I’m looking for the best clarity without all the frills or extra?
I just want to turn the tv on and watch the best picture possible without having to tweak it all the time.
Get the QN95C.....picture will have great clarity just like an OLED, but the tv will last a lot longer than any OLED tv....a lot longer.
Or QN 95B less expensive@@OnSafari247
hi, is it true that qd oled uses "real" dc dimming? thx
SAMSUNG NO DV EXPLAINED:
Dolby Vision content is mastered up to 12-bit colour depth. NO 4k TV can produce more than 10-bit.
compared to HDR10's 10-bit (which is where HDR10 gets its name from)
How do you think Samsung S95C was awarded with Pantone validated skin colour and accuracy. Let’s wait to see Sony A95L QD Oled with DV and see if it’s much better than S95C (also if it justifies the price)
I have a 12 bit panel here right now, a Hisense SX65.
@@dankeplace No you don't! They're isn't currently any 12 bit panel tv's or displays on the market yet for sale.
That dual cell Hisense tv you have that was originally released in China a few years ago is only a 10 bit panel 👍🏾
@@C--A No it's not a 10 bit panel, it's 12 bit, 4 bit chromatic and 8 bit color.
If you knew anything about panels, you would know both the SX65 (Australian release) and UDG9 (US release) are both 12 bit panels, good for you though, thinking you know something about something you've never owned.
doctorparker1736 Do you work for Samsung marketing lmfao.
Obviously Samsung are going to tell people Dolby Vision isn't needed! Whereas the majority of 4K blu ray disc releases have Dolby Vision.
Side by side comparisons on the same tv (switching off Dolby Vision on one so HDR10 is enabled) using the same movie have shown Dolby Vision looks better than HDR10, even on our current 10 bit panel tv's.
Go watch some of Vincent's older videos where he will explain in depth detail why Dolby Vision produces a better picture (most of the time depending on the movie) than HDR10 👌🏾
@@C--A you're actually incorrect, most movies are HDR10, not DV, then to add, some DV encodes are inferior to the HDR10 content, it depends which company encoded them, another baseless claim, you should research rather than throw out claims you can't substantiate.
Nice comparison. LED more suitable for me.
Hello guys i want to buy a new tv and im between a80k or lg c2 what do you suggest me thank you
The S90C looks just as bright, really cant tell them apart and I paused the video many times. Am sure you could notice in person and if you played sports and not a movie
I guess Vincent got rid of the Power Rangers movies. I enjoyed the comparisons with that amazing Power Rangers movie.
Does anyone have a link for that space / stars video test?
I love when he says " Shenanigans "
Native contrast is quite low. TCL is much more strong in that regard. It would be interesting to see QN90C/QN85C reviews as more affordable TVs. There is some information that even QN85C will be using VA panels. Without wide viewing angle and having higher native contrast for less money it looks like bargain
can you do tests for Huawei, SkyWorth, and TCL TVs
new TCLs pls
OLED looks infinitely better in every way, coming from owning a Mini LED 4K monitor , the detail on OLED is unmatched
The problem is, OLEDs are dim so you getting the contrast which is a + but the dimming is a - which your getting a + / - effect....
Like i had the LG CX and i loved the contrast that it delivered but the dimming made it look weird at the same time. Also OLEDS will get burn in sooner then later only a matter of time
MINI led isnt perfect but ill take it over oled
1:55 why were the subtitles so bloomy on the oled? I thought it was supposed to be better for that.
Because you aren't there in person. You are watching on a recorded video with a camera that will distort some of what he sees which then is beamed to your display which further takes away from whatever he sees in person.
Please make a comparison using anime or cartoon between qd-oled and neo-qled. I have a feelings colors will pop more on qd-oled just like my samsung amoled phone. Thanks
On your phone you probably use the vivid mode, that fucks the colors and burns your retina. They’re not the color the artists intended.
You can use vivid mode on any tv and have similar results.
Can you find a way to calibrate remotely in the USA ?
Calibration requires physical tools.
So, no.
If you want your display calibrated, you’ll have to find someone as local as possible.
Deeper, richer, more accurate colours (OLED) vs Brightness (MiniLED)
MiniLED can never compete with OLED no matter how many dimming zones they add.
this is totally inaccurate, you need a specific brightness to achieve real HDR content, OLED is handicapped here and will never be able to do what miniled can do when it comes to nits.
OLEDs also vary in accuracy of colors.
@@dankeplace I don't care how bright you make an image, brightness can never replace a quality picture. Just because you add more nits doesn't mean your panel is better or your TV's picture quality is improved. All you're doing is compensating for your lack of picture quality with brightness. I'll take a high quality OLED display over some over-brightened washed out MiniLED any day of the week.
@@---GOD--- Absolutely , this nits race going to nowhere
@@---GOD--- I dunno man on mine i've seen some jaw dropping shit on my QN90A, problem is it's kind of rare cause most content isn't made to go that high. I like my oled (S95B) a lot, but brightness is a big impact for me in the games and content that support it.
@@sacb0y ignore him, he isn't too *bright* when it comes to how HDR works.
*Would eLeap benefit WOLED?*
I am good with my 10 year old Samsung 4K TV. Probably because it isn't OLED. I have perfect stars and also excellent contrast. OLED still has a long way to go before it reaches affordable price, quality and durability.