My thought is the ring builders pushed into 4th dimensional space. The ring network is a 4D sphere projected in 3D space. The 4D beings didn’t like it and they pushed back, but that interdimensional pressure was energy to the ring station. Infinite energy.
"There's this hornet's nest in my backyard that's really annoying me, recently they plugged an extension cord into one of my outlets outside and are using my electricity driving up my bill. Whenever I try to pull their cord they try attacking me. So I've been attempting to exterminate them after one of them stung me."
It just so happens that I am, as a matter of fact, not building a ringgate in my garden. But what I do find interesting is that instead of respecting the boundaries of the UA, Humanity just seems to want to push and push and push. Their luck was really pressed when trying to survive the ringspace itself, then an entity reveals itself to be able to warp/disintergrate anything that passes through the gates and then Duarte is like 'ok let's nuke them'. I mean is it really that hard to not transfer 1 billion ships per second through the gates?
YES, actually. It is. Because it’s not just a matter of not crossing a certain threshold, James Holden SAW these things, FELT them. They get angrier each time we so much as USE a ring gate. Maybe not today or even 100 years from now, but you need to remember something? The ring builders were mostly benign and only interested in expanding their network. They likely did not nuke ring space. Do you see anyone from the ring builders civilization? Or do you see the horrors of the tech they left behind….? In the long term, it was always going to come down to nuke them, it’s just a matter of “are we going to strike first, or react like a bunch of jackasses when they get fed up and make their move?”
Yeah that irks me to, precisely because it's exactly how humans operate. We are fools that push everything to the limit, then push some more until we are finally on the brink of annihilation. Duarte-types are megalomaniacs and do not respond well to the word "no". So for him it's absolutely unacceptable to do anything other than whatever the fuck he wants, hyper-dimensional superbeings be damned
I think he was always a bit traumatised since it was one of his ships that was the first to get eaten. Then he basically held a grudge for 30 years and decided he wanted to get revenge. Stupid of him but he was an arrogant dictator so go figure
They call it the slow zone beause james holden called it that when the security of the station made it 'slow' inside. it hasnt been slow inside since the ring gates opened...
Does all the tech developed by the gate builders disturb the other space aliens? Is it only certain things like the the actual Star gate travel that bugs the hell out of them? I’m wondering if the best bet was to try and find systems and tech left behind that didn’t do that or maybe search for other space faring species that coexisted with the gate builders before they vanished. I know the answers solely lie with the author but I always enjoy thinking on these things.
I always thought it was just gate travel. That's the only example that is explicitly known to use their universe/dimension/spacetime. To me, it seems like it isn't so much another universe as it is what string theory calls the "bulk". The higher spacetime within which ours is embedded. The implication is that the gates draw energy from this higher dimensional space (or perhaps subspace) to allow FTL travel. But we are never told exactly how they work, and the humans in the series don't really understand them either. Maybe the entities exist as pure energy, and by siphoning energy out of their world we are literally sucking the life out of them, so they respond aggressively
@@jakeg3733 not just the gates. Whenever they used the field projector weapon on the Magnetar class ships, in known space not ring space, it angered the extra dimension. That was the first “bullet” fired by the beings against humans.
@@joshhardy5646 It would seem that all of the Gatebuilder's fancy tech drew it's energy from this pocket dimension. This makes sense, even advanced fusion reactors might not be enough for this kind of spacetime distortion, or weapons of that magnitude. So instead they're siphoning it from elsewhere. In that case there'd be a connection with this other world, allowing the entities that dwell there to exert an influence on ours. It's implied they can't just directly interact, but with any kind of viable connection more indirect actions are possible for them. Hell, simply being able to manipulate the spacetime metric like that (the gates) would be inherently dangerous and could be weaponized
@@jakeg3733 I believe it was mentioned in book 8 that Laconia could produce antimatter, which is what Bobbie used to blow up the ship when she died. I think the use of the antimatter in the weapon is what triggered a reaction, so perhaps the weapon’s effect was so powerful it was able to break through the veil between the dimensions/worlds/universes. Since we don’t know much else about the weapon or the function of the sphere we can only speculate…which is the fun part
It is mentioned multiple times that the effect of the Gods attacks are non-local. It seems they reside in higher dimensions and a single point in space like the Slow Zone could be also non-local. Affecting and annoying them non-locally. Everywhere. It's not clear if the Entities were even aware of the Builders or the Humans. All they felt is something was "spoiling the air" everywhere, so to speak. So they were tweaking constants, looking what could fix the issue. This non-locality also explains why the Gods allowed limited activity in the slow zone. While the slow zone bothered them, as long as the irritation was below a certain threshold, they could not pinpoint if there was enemy's work. But once Durate tried to blow them up, they saw the threat and were determined to snuff everything out until the irritation stopped. Humans could have stopped all travel for a couple years or something to make the Gods think they have succeeded. But them apes are just too damn independent, greedy and hungry to completely abandon the use of the gates, so they had to be brought down.
The end makes sense with the behavior of many people in the series. Too many people in positions of power saw any limitation as a threat to their ego. It was quickly established that if they just sent small ships occasionally through the gates then they wouldn’t be bothered. When they pushed their luck anyway first ships then time and finally an entire system was wiped out. You’d think people would get the hint! But they didn’t so destroying the gate network was the only option.
I wonder what our big conflict will be that will unite all of us. We are close to reaching entry level space travel and we are a curious species but i after watching and reading the expanse I can’t help but think what or who is out there for us to discover.
Either our salvation or our demise, maybe both. Let's face it; eventually we will have to leave this planet. Could be in 100 years, could be in 100 million, but our sun is slowing turning into a red giant to say nothing of the multitude of other ways we could die. So it makes sense for us to do this stuff. The Expanse is fascinating because it's a glimpse at a _possible_ future a century or so from now. But it could go another way too, we could make a massive breakthrough and develop FTL tech in the next 50 years. Or, perhaps a more advanced species visited our system and we find something they left, which catapults our tech forward centuries or even millennia. Either way we are probably our own worst enemy, and this show does a great job of portraying that
I've often wondered what world-ending threat would finally unite all of us... As a believer in Christ, we acknowledge that evil is linked to one fallen being; the satan. The Book of Revelation contains spoilers, just FYI. 😏 But one of the biggest astonishments will be that one rogue angel created a universe of chaos (Isaiah 14:16). We think he's some big bad final boss, but a nameless "lackey" angel will arrest him (Revelation 20), not a prince of Heaven like Michael. Like the final Expanse books, some of this has not been created yet, but it is to come.
I’d argue that because the proto molecule makes you immortal, once the dark gods showed up it became both lazy and foolish to continue using the gate network. Shutting it down and figuring out warp drive becomes the better option.
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My thought is the ring builders pushed into 4th dimensional space. The ring network is a 4D sphere projected in 3D space. The 4D beings didn’t like it and they pushed back, but that interdimensional pressure was energy to the ring station. Infinite energy.
pretty much the ring space is pushing up against a different universe and that's how it get's it's energy
Yeah that's the idea I also got
"There's this hornet's nest in my backyard that's really annoying me, recently they plugged an extension cord into one of my outlets outside and are using my electricity driving up my bill. Whenever I try to pull their cord they try attacking me. So I've been attempting to exterminate them after one of them stung me."
You let it go that far? Boooooi, when it comes to the unknown entities- I mean hornets?
It’s on sight.
@@Darth_Bateman i'm pretty sure we're the hornets in this scenario
@@aaronruby1186 wait whaaaaat? Goddammit…..
@@Darth_Bateman really puts things into perspective huh
@@aaronruby1186 yeah. . . .Yeah it does. . . .
Duarte plan and thought process: tries a few methods to defeat the enemy. Things don't work out.
Become the borg
....
Profit
It just so happens that I am, as a matter of fact, not building a ringgate in my garden. But what I do find interesting is that instead of respecting the boundaries of the UA, Humanity just seems to want to push and push and push. Their luck was really pressed when trying to survive the ringspace itself, then an entity reveals itself to be able to warp/disintergrate anything that passes through the gates and then Duarte is like 'ok let's nuke them'. I mean is it really that hard to not transfer 1 billion ships per second through the gates?
They had a lot of luck in surviving the conflict
YES, actually. It is. Because it’s not just a matter of not crossing a certain threshold, James Holden SAW these things, FELT them.
They get angrier each time we so much as USE a ring gate.
Maybe not today or even 100 years from now, but you need to remember something?
The ring builders were mostly benign and only interested in expanding their network.
They likely did not nuke ring space.
Do you see anyone from the ring builders civilization? Or do you see the horrors of the tech they left behind….?
In the long term, it was always going to come down to nuke them, it’s just a matter of “are we going to strike first, or react like a bunch of jackasses when they get fed up and make their move?”
Yeah that irks me to, precisely because it's exactly how humans operate. We are fools that push everything to the limit, then push some more until we are finally on the brink of annihilation. Duarte-types are megalomaniacs and do not respond well to the word "no". So for him it's absolutely unacceptable to do anything other than whatever the fuck he wants, hyper-dimensional superbeings be damned
I think he was always a bit traumatised since it was one of his ships that was the first to get eaten. Then he basically held a grudge for 30 years and decided he wanted to get revenge. Stupid of him but he was an arrogant dictator so go figure
@@fantasyloredeepdives6420not luck- just Holden 😉
“When you fight gods, you storm heaven”
Doomguy would agree. He did it himself once... twice actually
When you eat chips, you storm the potato chip factory
They call it the slow zone beause james holden called it that when the security of the station made it 'slow' inside. it hasnt been slow inside since the ring gates opened...
Henceforth called the Ring Space
it is slow there's a speed limit that if you break you start getting pulled in to the center
@@drgirlfriend211 Ring Space were all the actual star systems accessible by the gates.
Does all the tech developed by the gate builders disturb the other space aliens? Is it only certain things like the the actual Star gate travel that bugs the hell out of them? I’m wondering if the best bet was to try and find systems and tech left behind that didn’t do that or maybe search for other space faring species that coexisted with the gate builders before they vanished. I know the answers solely lie with the author but I always enjoy thinking on these things.
I always thought it was just gate travel. That's the only example that is explicitly known to use their universe/dimension/spacetime. To me, it seems like it isn't so much another universe as it is what string theory calls the "bulk". The higher spacetime within which ours is embedded. The implication is that the gates draw energy from this higher dimensional space (or perhaps subspace) to allow FTL travel. But we are never told exactly how they work, and the humans in the series don't really understand them either. Maybe the entities exist as pure energy, and by siphoning energy out of their world we are literally sucking the life out of them, so they respond aggressively
@@jakeg3733 not just the gates. Whenever they used the field projector weapon on the Magnetar class ships, in known space not ring space, it angered the extra dimension. That was the first “bullet” fired by the beings against humans.
@@joshhardy5646 It would seem that all of the Gatebuilder's fancy tech drew it's energy from this pocket dimension. This makes sense, even advanced fusion reactors might not be enough for this kind of spacetime distortion, or weapons of that magnitude. So instead they're siphoning it from elsewhere. In that case there'd be a connection with this other world, allowing the entities that dwell there to exert an influence on ours. It's implied they can't just directly interact, but with any kind of viable connection more indirect actions are possible for them. Hell, simply being able to manipulate the spacetime metric like that (the gates) would be inherently dangerous and could be weaponized
@@jakeg3733 I believe it was mentioned in book 8 that Laconia could produce antimatter, which is what Bobbie used to blow up the ship when she died. I think the use of the antimatter in the weapon is what triggered a reaction, so perhaps the weapon’s effect was so powerful it was able to break through the veil between the dimensions/worlds/universes. Since we don’t know much else about the weapon or the function of the sphere we can only speculate…which is the fun part
8:05 Damn he knows. I guess I will have to unleash my protomolecule mind control weapon sooner than anticipated.
It is mentioned multiple times that the effect of the Gods attacks are non-local. It seems they reside in higher dimensions and a single point in space like the Slow Zone could be also non-local. Affecting and annoying them non-locally. Everywhere. It's not clear if the Entities were even aware of the Builders or the Humans. All they felt is something was "spoiling the air" everywhere, so to speak. So they were tweaking constants, looking what could fix the issue.
This non-locality also explains why the Gods allowed limited activity in the slow zone. While the slow zone bothered them, as long as the irritation was below a certain threshold, they could not pinpoint if there was enemy's work. But once Durate tried to blow them up, they saw the threat and were determined to snuff everything out until the irritation stopped.
Humans could have stopped all travel for a couple years or something to make the Gods think they have succeeded. But them apes are just too damn independent, greedy and hungry to completely abandon the use of the gates, so they had to be brought down.
Hey. Could you do a video on cara and xan? S6 made their story so rushed
The end makes sense with the behavior of many people in the series. Too many people in positions of power saw any limitation as a threat to their ego. It was quickly established that if they just sent small ships occasionally through the gates then they wouldn’t be bothered. When they pushed their luck anyway first ships then time and finally an entire system was wiped out. You’d think people would get the hint! But they didn’t so destroying the gate network was the only option.
Nice interpretation. Subscribed!
Thanks! 😀
2:10 that reminds me of the end of the movie pacific rim where they took out the precursors via nuclear warhead through their worm hole
I wonder what our big conflict will be that will unite all of us. We are close to reaching entry level space travel and we are a curious species but i after watching and reading the expanse I can’t help but think what or who is out there for us to discover.
Either our salvation or our demise, maybe both. Let's face it; eventually we will have to leave this planet. Could be in 100 years, could be in 100 million, but our sun is slowing turning into a red giant to say nothing of the multitude of other ways we could die. So it makes sense for us to do this stuff. The Expanse is fascinating because it's a glimpse at a _possible_ future a century or so from now. But it could go another way too, we could make a massive breakthrough and develop FTL tech in the next 50 years. Or, perhaps a more advanced species visited our system and we find something they left, which catapults our tech forward centuries or even millennia. Either way we are probably our own worst enemy, and this show does a great job of portraying that
I am no longer confident we will survive much longer. We seem to be spiraling apart day by day.
If you want to read a truly terrifying "hidden threat" sci fi story, check out *The Three-Body Problem* series of books
I've often wondered what world-ending threat would finally unite all of us... As a believer in Christ, we acknowledge that evil is linked to one fallen being; the satan.
The Book of Revelation contains spoilers, just FYI. 😏 But one of the biggest astonishments will be that one rogue angel created a universe of chaos (Isaiah 14:16). We think he's some big bad final boss, but a nameless "lackey" angel will arrest him (Revelation 20), not a prince of Heaven like Michael.
Like the final Expanse books, some of this has not been created yet, but it is to come.
I’d argue that because the proto molecule makes you immortal, once the dark gods showed up it became both lazy and foolish to continue using the gate network. Shutting it down and figuring out warp drive becomes the better option.
The entities makes me think of Cordwainer Smith's story The Game of Rat and Dragon
Am I building a ring gate in my back yard? Nice try SpaceTF.
Love this Teory 🥰🥰🥰
Dude you really need a narator or a better mike couse it is painfull to try and understand you
Thanks I do now, recorded this ages ago
@@fantasyloredeepdives6420 Yeah, don't get me wrong, the video is very useful and descriptive, and greatly done, it just somewhat hard to follow do to the audio
No worries@@MrZiva82