This fight is genuinely so amazing for me. Most genocide fights dont have the monsters being scared, just trying to kill you. But harry and larry are fighting for their life
They're technially scared since they're sweatimg and when they heal it says they "desperately" feed each other healing items to keep you from dropping their HP to 0
Man if I had a nickel every time a fan game’s geno route had a really morally messed up battle I’d have three nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s really strange that it happened three times
The entire setup to this fight with these two was nothing short of horrifying From them being completely unaware of how dangerous we are, to watching harry desperately beg Larry to get them away from us while he struggles to push a rock were probably the most upsetting moments of this game so far
@@tenidiotaodpizzy4603 I didnt say the other bosses werent spareable, its just that it doesnt feel like theyre backed in a corner as much as Harry and Larry
Pushing Larry off of the cliff made me sick to my stomach. I absolutely love these two characters to death and just seeing "Push" as an act, I already knew what was going to happen. Something I find concerning regarding the push act, in fact, is that you kill Larry by ACTING of all things. The implications for this are very scary-
What terrifies me most of this boss is simply the fact you don’t kill them via attacking sorta You damage them and push Larry off the cliff and then kill Harry after Harry griefs despite his attitude to Larry They truly do care and like each other, but the fact you use “act” to do the finale blow adds impact
this is honestly the time i felt the WORST doing a geno run in any UT/DR game. I havent cried doing any geno run, but the closest ive ever gotten was probably here, pushing larry off
tbh, me too, at other fangames i have no emotional, and have no feelings while doin it, i just have fun, but larry death was the only one that made me feel actually bad for a ut fangame monster
Killing children on Deltatraveler:YAY OMG IM SO HAPPY!!! Killing Two boring dudes on TS!Underswap:N-no!!!! He Must be Alive.... He magically teleported to the evacuation Site!!!
Harry being unable to be spared after Larry falls off is either Harry wanting to die, or Chara feeling like sparing him after what happened would be stupidly cruel
I have a better idea what if larry comes back he survived the fall and now his back for revenge since we didn't see him die we just see him going off the cliff but since he has that propeller hat he could survive
@@sheeveman7568 if it will happen then he with koffin k would team up with sans and papyrus after all theres nothing much what he or kofffin k can do against us
Man, there's plenty of games where you can do way worse things than this, but there's something about going so far out of your way to murder these two that feels really messed up.
I think the game is trying to say we’re not doing this to get stronger or whatever, we’re doing it because we want to, we CAN. We wanted to kill him, even if we don’t gain anything from it, after the fight it says we gained one extra kill, so that means we only got Larry’s EXP.
I usually try to stay away from AUs and fan projects just to avoid the bad writing and cosmically overpowered Sans fights. But this Geno fight… this is really fucked up, man. In a good way. TS are doing such a great job with this.
I do really like how many fan games are portraying the genocide run as terrifying for the monsters, seeing them actively run and be scared of you makes it all the more horrible that you are doing it
It’s a pity they didn’t redo the attack with Garia’s teeth and they are just as happy with this attack as before and other Attacks where they have the old facial expression
i played the pacifist run as my first playthrough and got attached to harry and larry because of how silly they were but in the genocide route i was about to cry when i pushed off larry
My favorite part about this fight has to be how fast it can be done, if you know what you're doing it can be beat in about five turns, yet it still doesn't lose the impact because of how sudden the push is. I also love how you can't spare Harry after the fact, as if he doesn't want to go on after losing Larry.
What's up with everyone saying this fight was so depressing? You made the choice to do so. Out of your own free will. You could of stopped, but you didn't. No one forced you to do a Geno run. Not even guilt stopped you. Why? Because there was no fear of true consequences. I bet you too, would do terrible things if there was no punishment for doing heinous deeds. These fights weren't depressing for you, that's a lie. They were exhilarating for you.
Yeah, its so morally wrong to do things that hurt nobody. So bad to make different choices in the game to explore all routes it has. I think people should go to jail for this.
Bro, it’s not that deep. Its a video game where exploring all of the routes is encouraged. I don’t think anyone is saying that this fight is depressing as an insult to the game, but as a compliment to how well written this encounter was. Feeling bad is encouraged!
humans are a species of mutual aid and commonality, despite what our social constructs of property and competition might say. the moral dilemma in this is that they are humanoids, not humans. do we extend our sympathies to them, or do we leave them to die as we do everything else?
I don't only mean in the context in the game. I mean how nowadays people can do the most heinous things, say the most vile comments, but because they do so behind a screen, it is acceptable. Anyone can put personal information about one's life, not even for seeking vengence or retribution, ruining some random person's life, but for a quick laugh. This screen had made people too bold, and unafraid of consequences. It's not the actions of the game that concerns me. It's the actions that the game bases itself off of. I'm sure there are more scenerios where the lack of punishment can incentivized people to losen their scruples and be rewarded for being merciless, in the outside world. I'm not thinking deep, you don't know how to think for yourselves.
Honestly as much as I love the concept that this makes you assume there’s gonna be a mystical 2 phase like all UT fangames do, only to have the other go down purely due to him being devistated, it would be very cool to see a final fight with em
@@andrzej8144 1. Larry was at low hp, and water being under a cliff doesnt immediatly mean you're gonna survive, this aint minecraft. For one, larry could hit their head against the cliffside, or maybe this hypothetical and convenient water isnt deep enough and larry would hit the bottom upon fall. Besides, the death wouldnt hit as hard if he happened to survive, pretty sure youre meant to infer that they both died
When I played the game I thought you had to push harry 2 or 3 times to make him completely fall but when he immediately fell I wanted to reset so badly
i hate how much this battle hurts to play crossbones/sans doesnt actually die so they needed someone to fill in the gap for papyrus and they chose these two
As much as I like this fight and the whole vibe it gives, it annoys me that they just can’t die normally for some reason, you see the health bar stop for no reason (unless there is a reason said in game that I’ve missed)
In Undertale and Undertale Yellow, it's only after third boss you can't justify it by "Self-defense". Here we're in SECOND location and we know we cannot justify our actions.
@@abdillahahmad7025 Good point actually. I want to say Papyrus was the last boss of the second location and third location is right after him, but since these guys are basically the last thing before Crossbones who serves the same role as original Papyrus, I feel like I would be wrong, and you do have a point, as I said.
What makes this encounter hit hard is that its completely optional, you can bypass it and you can even turn back and the ruthless route doesn't get abandoned. You actively HAVE to go out of your way to kill them, and the game WILL make you feel bad about it.
@@akfbqoabepajsoaIf you just turn back once you can go forward again to fight them. Unless you go all the way to the festival, in which case it is aborted
probably the worst thing about this fight is that it's completely optional. it's custimary to expect a genocide route for a big fangame, but it's not easy to bring that feeling of "what the fuck am i even doing with my life" that the original had. uty's geno felt obligatory. even this one kinda felt necessary for that full undertale experience. however, with this fight, they managed to do it. a genocide battle that truly feels pointless - because it IS. you don't need to fight them. they're skippable, and yet you choose to go out of your way to kill them
im just gonna go ahead and do this unoriginal copypasta because i felt like it if i had a dollar for every time there was a messed up genocide battle, i'd have 3 dollars. it isnt a lot, but its weird it happened 3 times. (ness and paula deltatraveler and lesser dog gg!underfell)
@@akfbqoabepajsoait isn't that random. Its just multiplied by a lot. If you want to hit small then you deal around 100000 dmg but if you do perfect hit then its around 300000
this is fucked. I know this might be silly but joke coded characters dealing with this type of stuff is so heart breaking they just wanna be doobious and silly they dont deserve this 😭
if you spare them from what i remember they just run past you after saying your just standing there when you back off it doesnt abandon the route, just makes you go back a few steps before the trigger for the dialogue and im pretty sure they dont have extra dialogue for backing off and then going back towards them
This fight is genuinely so amazing for me. Most genocide fights dont have the monsters being scared, just trying to kill you. But harry and larry are fighting for their life
I knooooow right? And the worst part is that Koffin-K doesn’t even know that they’re dead.
Dude would be heartbroken when he finds out.
They're technially scared since they're sweatimg and when they heal it says they "desperately" feed each other healing items to keep you from dropping their HP to 0
@@BrightOvidio27 Yeah forgot to mention that but since most monsters just have a “:3” or a “:/“ face when being attacked so yeah!
and this a sad...
Man if I had a nickel every time a fan game’s geno route had a really morally messed up battle I’d have three nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s really strange that it happened three times
What are the other two?
UTY Axis and Deltatraveler Ness & Paula
@@The_Legendary_Nic what about deltatraveler section 3's lesser dog battle?
@@dylanzlol7293 i mean yeah, but it's not as equally messed up as leaving 2 children bleeding out on the floor
@@MatiasCirulli still worth a nickel as the dog doesnt even want to battle you
The entire setup to this fight with these two was nothing short of horrifying
From them being completely unaware of how dangerous we are, to watching harry desperately beg Larry to get them away from us while he struggles to push a rock were probably the most upsetting moments of this game so far
Wasn't it a piano?
@@aboogala4678 oh yeah, thats right. I just remembered the rock in front of it
I’m sorry but I couldn’t take that scene seriously after Larry makes the goddam BOOWOMP face
The fact it gives you the option to spare them feels like your actually killiing people and have a chance to stop, but you dont want to.
Yup, it’s like normal undertale, but this game shows chara’s feelings cuz well they’re controlled by the soul
well, chara actually still the one who narrates.
frisk does yeah controls chara as changes chara's dialogues lol@@Cicine59
you can spare every boss in the ruthless route, it starts an entirely different route if you do that
undertale literally have this😐
@@tenidiotaodpizzy4603 I didnt say the other bosses werent spareable, its just that it doesnt feel like theyre backed in a corner as much as Harry and Larry
this is duo is the only one that actually made me feel morally wrong and sad for them
they were just the boogiemen man
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Pushing Larry off of the cliff made me sick to my stomach. I absolutely love these two characters to death and just seeing "Push" as an act, I already knew what was going to happen.
Something I find concerning regarding the push act, in fact, is that you kill Larry by ACTING of all things. The implications for this are very scary-
My tiny baby brain does not understand the implications
@@DDan42 You can bring people to harm by ACTing in the route where you spam the FIGHT button.
Killing with "kindness," if you will.
In UTY you can kill microfroggit by acting
But yeah, this is a step further
This is the moment when "Video Game Bosses Actually Heals"
And a rare one that is actually balanced
terraria moonlord?
@@GengUpinIpin well it is a scripted fight, so you can't bring their hp down until you push larry
@@bork6996 well, you gotta put limitations to gimmicks that are just arent balanced by default
mondo mole
What terrifies me most of this boss is simply the fact you don’t kill them via attacking sorta
You damage them and push Larry off the cliff and then kill Harry after Harry griefs despite his attitude to Larry
They truly do care and like each other, but the fact you use “act” to do the finale blow adds impact
this is honestly the time i felt the WORST doing a geno run in any UT/DR game. I havent cried doing any geno run, but the closest ive ever gotten was probably here, pushing larry off
tbh, me too, at other fangames i have no emotional, and have no feelings while doin it, i just have fun, but larry death was the only one that made me feel actually bad for a ut fangame monster
Killing children on Deltatraveler:YAY OMG IM SO HAPPY!!!
Killing Two boring dudes on TS!Underswap:N-no!!!! He Must be Alive.... He magically teleported to the evacuation Site!!!
@@elchicoproplayer777 literally no one said that
@@elchicoproplayer777bro tf man just say you hate the characters don’t put words in people’s mouths
Harry being unable to be spared after Larry falls off is either Harry wanting to die, or Chara feeling like sparing him after what happened would be stupidly cruel
Why not both
considering chara can spare asgore after what happened in ruined home, i feel like it's the former.
No, Harry loses the will to live
@@nifzy255which I think is also why the killing blow does tons of damage on him. More than the amount of health he has
@@Zimbabwae1 the thing is he drops all of his guard because he knows he's going to die
Imagine Koffin-K returning in Crystal springs to exact revenge on Chara for killing his two most-loved servants
He probably will team up with cross bones and papyrus in future after all he has no choice except make a truce with his nemesis
I have a better idea what if larry comes back he survived the fall and now his back for revenge since we didn't see him die we just see him going off the cliff but since he has that propeller hat he could survive
@@sheeveman7568 if it will happen then he with koffin k would team up with sans and papyrus after all theres nothing much what he or kofffin k can do against us
@@sheeveman7568 they mention they don’t have any fuel. Thats why they didn’t fly away in the first place.
@@Shnoz591 larry could have survived the fall i mean obi wan survived a huge drop and fell into the water with the iguana he was riding dead.
Man, there's plenty of games where you can do way worse things than this, but there's something about going so far out of your way to murder these two that feels really messed up.
I think the game is trying to say we’re not doing this to get stronger or whatever, we’re doing it because we want to, we CAN. We wanted to kill him, even if we don’t gain anything from it, after the fight it says we gained one extra kill, so that means we only got Larry’s EXP.
actually iirc its harry's exp you get, larry not giving any is just an oversight since he doesnt die like a normal monster. i think it got fixed?
I haven't seen anyone point out that Harry was so desperate to heal Larry he had to give him pocket lint
Wait... Harry fed Larry fish food to heal him, that means Harry was going to fed the fish their boss had!
This genuinely might be the sadest death in section 2
this is the saddest death in the game
I usually try to stay away from AUs and fan projects just to avoid the bad writing and cosmically overpowered Sans fights.
But this Geno fight… this is really fucked up, man. In a good way. TS are doing such a great job with this.
also the sans fight was pretty balanced
Undertale yellow has good writing and no sans
@@gamercentral2417 Absolutely love Undertale Yellow. So much that if people said that Yellow was better than OG Undertale, I wouldn’t disagree.
Well there are au,s and fan project that do the opposite of that
Absolutely.
I do really like how many fan games are portraying the genocide run as terrifying for the monsters, seeing them actively run and be scared of you makes it all the more horrible that you are doing it
Snowgrave added fuel to that fire because you can see how the enemies see you and run away from you
It’s a pity they didn’t redo the attack with Garia’s teeth and they are just as happy with this attack as before and other Attacks where they have the old facial expression
I love how harry takes more damage than he heals lmao
0:47
*"My... SOUL?"*
Player: *Our* SOUL
matching pfps: harry and the empy space where larry fell
i played the pacifist run as my first playthrough and got attached to harry and larry because of how silly they were but in the genocide route i was about to cry when i pushed off larry
My favorite part about this fight has to be how fast it can be done, if you know what you're doing it can be beat in about five turns, yet it still doesn't lose the impact because of how sudden the push is.
I also love how you can't spare Harry after the fact, as if he doesn't want to go on after losing Larry.
why does the theme song for this slap so hard tho
What makes this more impactful to me is that, it is optional to do. I mean if you killed them you're the one who wanted that fully.
The game was so wrong for putting a save point and box before this, i was prepared for a super difficult fight
How was it wrong
Also, be it "Forward." Or be it "Proceed."?
What's up with everyone saying this fight was so depressing?
You made the choice to do so. Out of your own free will. You could of stopped, but you didn't. No one forced you to do a Geno run. Not even guilt stopped you.
Why?
Because there was no fear of true consequences. I bet you too, would do terrible things if there was no punishment for doing heinous deeds.
These fights weren't depressing for you, that's a lie. They were exhilarating for you.
curiosity killed the larry, i guess
Yeah, its so morally wrong to do things that hurt nobody. So bad to make different choices in the game to explore all routes it has. I think people should go to jail for this.
Bro, it’s not that deep. Its a video game where exploring all of the routes is encouraged.
I don’t think anyone is saying that this fight is depressing as an insult to the game, but as a compliment to how well written this encounter was. Feeling bad is encouraged!
humans are a species of mutual aid and commonality, despite what our social constructs of property and competition might say. the moral dilemma in this is that they are humanoids, not humans. do we extend our sympathies to them, or do we leave them to die as we do everything else?
I don't only mean in the context in the game.
I mean how nowadays people can do the most heinous things, say the most vile comments, but because they do so behind a screen, it is acceptable. Anyone can put personal information about one's life, not even for seeking vengence or retribution, ruining some random person's life, but for a quick laugh. This screen had made people too bold, and unafraid of consequences.
It's not the actions of the game that concerns me. It's the actions that the game bases itself off of. I'm sure there are more scenerios where the lack of punishment can incentivized people to losen their scruples and be rewarded for being merciless, in the outside world.
I'm not thinking deep, you don't know how to think for yourselves.
Imagine Larry survived and we fight him again
Honestly as much as I love the concept that this makes you assume there’s gonna be a mystical 2 phase like all UT fangames do, only to have the other go down purely due to him being devistated, it would be very cool to see a final fight with em
@@Strawberry_Cubesmy friend nearly aborted the evacuation route due to how you kill these two
He literally fell down from a cliff i dont think he can survive that
@@dylanzlol7293unless there was water under the cliff.
@@andrzej8144 1. Larry was at low hp, and water being under a cliff doesnt immediatly mean you're gonna survive, this aint minecraft. For one, larry could hit their head against the cliffside, or maybe this hypothetical and convenient water isnt deep enough and larry would hit the bottom upon fall.
Besides, the death wouldnt hit as hard if he happened to survive, pretty sure youre meant to infer that they both died
Bro this gives me Snowgrave ptsd, and i love/hate it
more like omori ptsd
@@susamkjonsdsi see no connection
@@TheNaccist well ya when sunny pushes mari down the stairs AND ALSO omori bad ending
Omori fans when they see people falling to their deaths
@@dmclsl03 real
If you slow it down, you can see Harry realise whats happening the moment Larry is pushed
When I played the game I thought you had to push harry 2 or 3 times to make him completely fall but when he immediately fell I wanted to reset so badly
1:35 WHAT IS BALOON BOY DOING HERE
GO BACK INTO FINITE SPAGHETTI II MAN 😭😭😭
NO FNAF HERE
i hate how much this battle hurts to play
crossbones/sans doesnt actually die so they needed someone to fill in the gap for papyrus
and they chose these two
As much as I like this fight and the whole vibe it gives, it annoys me that they just can’t die normally for some reason, you see the health bar stop for no reason (unless there is a reason said in game that I’ve missed)
They eat snacks, duh
@@SpathiCaptainFwiffoI’m not talking about that, at 1:37 you see the health bar stop when that absolutely should’ve killed Harry
@@Phi_Lix they pulled one of YOUR nuh-uhs
@@Phi_Lixthey used their inner jerry
They got undershirt from Battle Network man, that, or rolling hp shenanigans
I want this track lol
The track is called "Monster Bash"
In the game files its called "goon_la_goon"
@@Ghost_friend_likes_burritos damn even larry and harry are gooners
In Undertale and Undertale Yellow, it's only after third boss you can't justify it by "Self-defense". Here we're in SECOND location and we know we cannot justify our actions.
Well, Papyrus was sparing you. In neutral you can argue self defense since he fights you.
@@abdillahahmad7025 Good point actually. I want to say Papyrus was the last boss of the second location and third location is right after him, but since these guys are basically the last thing before Crossbones who serves the same role as original Papyrus, I feel like I would be wrong, and you do have a point, as I said.
I know this technically isn’t related to the fight, but is koffin k an original character for the game?
yes
🔥
There's something so violating about using an ACT to kill someone.
Why did they say it like that (* my ... SOUL.)
What happens if you spare them?
they comment about chara standing motionless, and they take the opportunity to flee
Chara is probably having a inner struggle with themselves. @@raysomethingsomething
what rayanderouiche2730 said, plus the ruthless route gets aborted. If you initiate the battle, you gotta commit.
This is the only Undertale game I felt bad for killing someone
Is Chara laughing at some points?
No... the boys...
Bro hates harry😭
😭
He IS the reason they're going to die
Me toi
God, this fight is so messed up.
Why do i keep finding you in every Undertale video
@@thehuman9464 idk man
What makes this encounter hit hard is that its completely optional, you can bypass it and you can even turn back and the ruthless route doesn't get abandoned. You actively HAVE to go out of your way to kill them, and the game WILL make you feel bad about it.
WRONG
The ruthless route does get aborted if you ignore them
evacuation route is still an aborted ruthless
@@akfbqoabepajsoaIf you just turn back once you can go forward again to fight them. Unless you go all the way to the festival, in which case it is aborted
Most evil boss fight in the game.
What hapends if you spare Harry and Larry during the genocide route?
They just run off.
My fav OST in the whole game
God i teared up near the end this is genuinely sad
Easily the best sequence in the game.
Made me feel worse than any other part of the game
Larry = Wario Level AS-
First time, i spared them because I didn't know you can kill by acting.
Someone animate this
I had to force my self to kill them i was about to cry when i killed larry it was brutal
I like them theme but i can't find it😭
its called monster bash just to let you know
thanks for that@@notanicename996
Goon La Goon is the actual song name
this fangame almost made me feel bad once or twice, one of those times being here
ALMOST.
0:51 goon la goon 🗣️🔥
that was probably one of the most fucked up things i watched in my life holy shit
what happens when you walk away?
They just run away
@@CowpokeScav oh
evacuation route
What happens if you back off during the first part?
They walk away but you have to go to sans to fully abort it, otherwise you can go back and kill them in the room
probably the worst thing about this fight is that it's completely optional. it's custimary to expect a genocide route for a big fangame, but it's not easy to bring that feeling of "what the fuck am i even doing with my life" that the original had. uty's geno felt obligatory. even this one kinda felt necessary for that full undertale experience.
however, with this fight, they managed to do it. a genocide battle that truly feels pointless - because it IS. you don't need to fight them. they're skippable, and yet you choose to go out of your way to kill them
im just gonna go ahead and do this unoriginal copypasta because i felt like it
if i had a dollar for every time there was a messed up genocide battle, i'd have 3 dollars. it isnt a lot, but its weird it happened 3 times.
(ness and paula deltatraveler and lesser dog gg!underfell)
The boogiemen fighting for they`re life is just SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO creative
Somehow, this fight made me feel worse than Undertale
Now that I see it, I don't know if they did in proporse but the final damage to Harry is 193945, ww2 dates XD 1939-45
The damage is random
Don't ask Harry what he did during 1939-1945
@@akfbqoabepajsoait isn't that random. Its just multiplied by a lot. If you want to hit small then you deal around 100000 dmg but if you do perfect hit then its around 300000
what happens when you push harry instead of larry tho
You can't
@@gaminganimators7000 what if i tried tho
@@itsjimmytime1if you somehow kill harry first, im assuming the game will crash as you werent intended to
@@ILoveNed no not killing PUSHİNG (i dint play the game srry)
@@itsjimmytime1You Literally can't, it Only shows up for larry
this is fucked. I know this might be silly but joke coded characters dealing with this type of stuff is so heart breaking
they just wanna be doobious and silly they dont deserve this 😭
EDGING?!?!?
What if u spare em or back off
if you spare them from what i remember they just run past you after saying your just standing there
when you back off it doesnt abandon the route, just makes you go back a few steps before the trigger for the dialogue and im pretty sure they dont have extra dialogue for backing off and then going back towards them
@@ILoveNediirc, harry comments on it with something along the lines of 'wait, why didn't we-'
Aborted genocide
5:08
5:06
Am i the only one who loves their bossfight theme?
I hate when bosses break the rules just to have a event happen ngl but that's just me being weird probably.
What rules? Them healing eachover is a trait they have since they always carry food around.
Then I guess you hate Sans from the Main Game since the point of his entire fight Is for It to break as many bounds established as possible
@@Shnoz591 im pretty sure they mean how harry and larry can just tank hits that 100% should kill them
I love when games make you feel like complete scum...
but I love it even more when games make you feel ashamed about it....
I’m probably only one here who was sad not because I killed harry because I didn’t get to watch Larry turn to dust 😂.
Same with koffin
Is the whispering in this battle theme (goon_la_goon.ogg) actual words or just gibberish? I can’t tell.