Soundbar Ambeo Plus with Sub? Or Ambeo Max Alone? - Sennheiser Soundbar Investigation
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Hey Matt, I have had the AMBEO max for a couple years...Big tip...make sure you have airflow in the back right of the Ambeo, she gets super hot! USB fan works perfect. I have a SVS SB300 and its perfect.
Matt... Nakamichi Dragon 11.4.6 !!!!!! When it drops PLEASE unbox - install- review 🙏. This is thing is Crazy!
On the plus, stick it in adaptive mode and turn boost on. Then within settings > audio > center settings, boost this by +4db. Makes a big difference to the plus. Found the dialogue myself after this better on the plus and the plus feels cleaner and nicer with music as well.
Good advice. I did find the boost to sound better. I hadn't bumped the center.
@@ObsessedGarage Give it a try if you still have the device. Basically it's like voice enhancement, except voice enhancement seems to boost everything rather than just voices and makes the sound all muddy.
If you just boost the center channel volume it seems to just do the voices themselves and really brings the bar to life.
@user-vu9zq5zj7n did you try ambeo sub? Is SVS 1000 pro better than ambeo sub? I got sub for 575+tax where as svs 1000 pro is $600 plus tax
Hey Matt, if you tap your shoes together three times you can go to Helen…
I want to see people test the Nakamichi dragon
I think I'll go for the Max, I was hoping they was going to bring an updated version out with more connectivity but I've been waiting for 2 years now, I want the next sound bar to be the last one I ever buy, I'm not too bothered about loads of base although I may get a decent Sub also for it, we pay £2200 for the MAX in the UK which is alot more tbh.
I did the Samsung HW-Q990B paired with the LG C2 in the kids basement room. That C2 is amazing with the Xbox X.
Most thorough, practical, informative review regarding the comparison between both Ambeo soundbars! I appreciate this big time!
Hey Matt
There two new sound bars on the marketplace, the new Nakamichi DRAGON ($3500) built like a tank that comes with 2 subs and 2 wireless up firing surrounds . And then there’s the Bang
& Olufsen theatre ($6500 -$8000) Best Sound bar ever!!!
The dragon has 4 subs total, 2 8 inch subs in each box, plus 6 up firing atmos speakers
The Bang & Olufsen is awful. Even cheaper soundbars produce better spatial sound than it. Overpriced ugly piece of ****
Yeah...I want the Soundbar to be a...well...Soundbar. If I'm going to do full surround, I'm running wires and doing better stuff. In my experience B&O has always been all show, no go.
@ObsessedGarage I'd love a review of the nakamichi though.
Great video! I have been torn between the same options. I’m going Max and using one of my powered 12in subs.
Thank you!
I've owned several sound bars and returned them, thin little midbass mostly highs and lows, sizzle, and boom I call it. Plus, none of them allowed you to use a wired subwoofer of your choice which is so important and has better sound quality for the low end than being forced to only buy the sub-brand to go with that brand's sound bar. I purchased the Sennheiser Plus sound bar and did the calibration with my 2 Velodyne Subs. Wow with the Plus and my subs, the sound quality is superb, the music solo piano sounded real with good tone, color, and weight, the vocals were not thin, good dynamics, and Disney+ with their good sound quality came across as full and made watching a movie enjoyable. Then I put on a 4K Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray discs, and the sound even went up a good notch, shows you how much better hard DVDs are than streaming including the quality of the picture, on top of that it fits perfectly with my Sony A80K in its sound bar position. The Max is just not user-friendly, and the Plus is, and it does sound really good. Money well spent and better than the ARC, and the 5000 & Sony 7000 which I tried and returned, they sound good but not as good as the Plus. They are on sale now so grab one while you can at the sale price and a sub or 2 and then sit back and enjoy.
You should consider the HT-A9 system brother. It's great fun as well.
What mount are you using to connect the soundbar to the TV that is at the 18:00 minute mark of your video?
It is a combination of the bracket that comes with the mantel mount and the Sennheiser mount that they sell separately. www.obsessedgarage.com/products/sennheiser-ambeo-soundbar?_pos=1&_sid=4845724f8&_ss=r&variant=42419472040087
I have the Sennheiser Ambeo Max in combination with an Elac 2090 sub. And it just sounds incredible.
I just ordered Ambeo Max. I'm gonna pair it with SVS sub I already have.
Same!
About the Bluesound soundbar. To put it into perspective. I have one under my LG G77. For 5.1.4 I have a B&W setup, with 803’s as front, the centre that goes with it and atmos build ins. For normal television I have the bluesound and I use that 90+% of the time with series and movies. And I am totally fine with it. Its a great soundbar. So if this ambeo is so much better, that says a lot. The recent price fall to €1700 makes me interested for another room on the ambeo.
I'm building my living room with the Nakamichi Dragon with the new Sony QD-Oled when it comes out in May or June.
Did you get into the pre-order on the Nakamichi Dragon for the first limited edition first 500?
@@MrBjorn6 unfortunately not. But I'm signed up for the next shipments which are presumed to be in September.
@@DD-bx3gm There are over 2500 people on that waiting list?
@@MrBjorn6 well, they better get on the ball.
Can you actually connect two Sennheiser Ambeo Subwoofers instead of just one, using wired connections to the Ambeo Max?
Yes, you could.
pair a couple SVS subs to that max and it has to go off the charts.
Hi there. Have you or anyone successfully added the Amo subwoofer to the bigger AMBEO Max sound bar? I can’t seem to do it. Any advice?
The manual is… let’s say.. subpar 😢
To use a subwoofer with the AMBEO Max, you must use the subwoofer out port on the back of the soundbar.
It will be labeled "SW PRE OUT"
@@ObsessedGarage hey there! So basically you cannot connect it wirelessly like the AMBEO plus? It *has* to be wired?
How did you end up mounting the max with the mantle mount? Ive been scratching my head on where the mount points are and nobody makes a 60lb soundbar mount 😂.
Looking at making custom steel brackets to mount the max to a mount-it beast tv mount.
The comparison sounds like an EQ problem. Doesn't it have the EQ that can be adjusted in the Smart control app?
Just to correct an inaccuracy in your video: the Plus model has room correction too, it just has a microphone inside the unit, not separate like the max does.
Does it make sense to get the Plus or the Max if I live in 65m2 and my living room is 24m2?
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Ha, ha... Yeah, I'm hoping my shins will stop bleeding every workout.
Too bad the other shoe dropped on the cheating scandal. Not a bad trade for a gophers final four appearance, I guess.
Just bought the ambeo max. Wanting to know best svs sub to pair it with? Is it the svs 2000 like you said in video?
Yes, I'd like an SB2000Pro with it.
@@ObsessedGarage how do you run it without it being connected to sound bar basically make it wireless?
The Max has an RCA out for the sub. You could get one of these: www.svsound.com/products/soundpath-wireless-audio-adapter. Strap the transmitter to the back of the sound bar and the receiver to the back of the sub.
@@ObsessedGarage is this a game changer? Will it be delayed with wireless transmitter and receiver?
I have no way to test the Ambeo Max as there are no stores in my area for me to demo it, so I would like to rely on your expertise if possible lol! Is the Ambeo Max worth the sale price of $1700 over a Sonos Arc and sub? Any insight would be greatly appreciated 🤙🏽
Oh…heck yes! Sonos is junk.
@@ObsessedGarage I appreciate the reply!!! Mahalo 🤙🏽
The trim doesn’t move in the ambeo max app after calibration. I have pb2000 pro.
Trying to calibrate correctly. Do I set the trim level to 0 on ambeo app and then run calibration?
Hmmm... I'm not sure about that.
Have you ever tried the Samsung q990b? And if you did how does it compare to the Ambeo max with a really good sub.
Purchased the Q950T couple years ago. Have had repeated issues with Subwoofer crackling. Kept getting the round around from Samsung support, has been a nightmare to deal with.
I am weighing the benefits of getting the max off the wall and placing it about a foot away from the wall on sound quality. I know with full range speakers, getting them off the wall is a big benefit for sound quality and I'm wondering how much of a priority it is with the max to help me decide between wall mounting which is simple and getting a table so I can push them out.
Hmm…. I’m not sure about it, but I would think its room correction software takes care of it.
That was awsome thank you.. does ambeo needs rear speaker? If need does it cennet wirelessly?
There is no rear speaker with this set-up.
Hi Matt, great video, very informative!! I am looking to wall mount a new LG G3 77 inch TV above my fireplace mantle and want to do your exact setup with the Ambeo Max being mounted to the TV itself (not mounted to the wall as I want to avoid running Ambeo wires into and behind the wall up to the TV). You mentioned in your comments below that you used a combination of the the Sennheiser wall mount sold separately on their website along with a "bracket" that came with your TV wall mount Sanus LL11-B1? The Sanus LL11 is a slim low profile fixed mount on their website so im confused if this is the mount you used as you are able to pull the TV down off the wall out in front of the fireplace? Any insight/clarification with this would be very much appreciated, thank you!!
I was going to purchase the SANUS Premium Large In-Wall Full-Motion Mount VIWLF128 and try to attach the Sennheiser Ambeo wall mount to it, any thoughts/experience with this setup?
No, the one above the fireplace is from Mantel Mount.
I am very happy with the immersive sound of my samsung q600c.. I have only small room
Pls can the ambeo max be paired with svs pb16 ultra subwoofer?
Yes, but you'd need to use RCA cable for it.
Hi, how can I connect a Bose bass module 700 sub to an AMBEO Soundbar Max?
Thank you
Yes, that will work.
Do you still have both devices? If so, wondered if you've compared them again recently. The Ambeo sub was awful at the time you did this review but has since been improved a lot with the firmware updates. Also the plus comes with loudness turned on by default, so need to disable that in the Dolby options as will help a lot. Found the following really bring it to life on the plus and makes them a lot more closer if not on par if comparing Max on its own vs Plus with the sub.
Adaptive mode
Ambeo sound regular
Foundation +5
Low-Mid +3
Clarity +1.5
Brilliance +3
Voice enhancement off
Center settings +4
Subwoofer +3
You should try the Devialet Dione, this is by far the best all in one solution. You really don’t need any sub because it’s that powerful, couldn‘t belief that such a small package could generate such rich and powerful sound.
The Sennheiser Ambeo Max has the better 3D surround sound, but the Devialet Dione on the other hand delivers the better music quality.
Puts the plus on top of the max!! 😱
I'm currently considering a quality soundbar to replace my ageing 15 + year old Jensen Q series towers. I honestly think Sennheiser made a few mistakes when releasing both the Max and the ➕️ sound bars, the Max should have a wired option sub input, and the plus should have an optional 10 or 12 inch woofer instead of an 8. My QX 85 10 inch is more than enough to disturb a half deff granny from a block away. So, due to the insane size of the Max, I'll probably opt for the plus with my QX85 because it has a wired sub input and I'll also save 2K with this set-up.
I agree and it just wouldn't look right in my living room 😂 the max is just huge. Would i be able to fit my Samsung sub to the ambeo plus soundbar?
@Houndog545 Absolutely! Just run your coaxial from your sub to the sub connection on the Ambeo instead of it being connected to an amplifier.
However, if your sub is wireless, the Samsung brand most likely won't be compatible. Hence, you will need to buy a compatible Sennheiser Sub.
Nakamichi dragon 11.4.6 has been announced and I am thoroughly confused. I live in Turkey and I do not know when this product will go on sale in Europe. Should I buy the Sennhaiser Max or wait for the Dragon, which costs almost twice as much? Thank you.
The Dragon is a home theater system replacement. This is a sound bar.
Considering getting the max with a sub for our living room. How does the max do in your living room? It looks like a huge room. Does the max fill it up well? Or do the surround effects not reach well? I’ve heard the rear effects aren’t great on the max, but how about 180 degree sound, and Atmos?
It does a good job. I wouldn’t want it as a Home Theater experience, but it slays at low to mid volumes.
how can i add rear speakers
Hello
The calibration system can be customized to your liking ?
Let me explain:
I have a 5.1 and I always make measurements with REW ( Room EQ Wizard ) to see what I have in my room and equalize with external program.
My source is the computer and I use Equalizer APO.
Does the Ambeo Max calibration allow to touch manually the filters?
From your comment on the SVS SB2000, I see that you can add another subwoofer of another brand.
In my case I have Arendal.
Would it be connected by cable or do you have to have a device.
wireless device?
Written with translator
Greetings
No, it doesn't have any manual adjustment capability.
@@ObsessedGarage Thank you for your patience in answering.
I will keep an eye out for future releases and other brands.
Regards
The max is for people who understand the benefits of full range speakers. It was meant to have a subwoofer, just doesn't come with one.
Decisions, decisions.
Would you recommend this for a covered outdoor living space?
Yeah, I think it would work well there.
Hi, thank you for your review. In your opinion Sonos or bluesound better? So far very few review on the blue sound soundbar.
I recently purchased the Sennheiser Ambeo Max and looking for a sub to pair with it. What would you suggest?
I would do an SVS SB-2000PRO.
Thanks for the advice. What lead would you recommend?
The Nakamichi Dragon is coming out soon, how does the Max handle rear channel sound? Convincing? If I got this I have my own sub I'd pair it with.
It is not convincing.
@@ObsessedGarage - That's what I've been seeing, too bad after 3 years they haven't made improvements. I would love it if they had rear channel's and I could provide the subwoofer. So will be waiting for the Dragon.
@@KlipschHead281 did you get in on the Nakamichi Dragon pre-order the first 500?
@@MrBjorn6 - I tried, didn't make it.
@@KlipschHead281 I had the . Nakaimichi shockwafe SSE in the basement and bedroom. I'm replacing the one in the basement with Nakaimichi dragon 11.4.6 sound system in August. I'm replacing unit in master bedroom with the new Nakaimichi shockwafe SSE Erac for $1477 and 1300 watts immediately. It's sounds incredible and believe when I tell you the original Nakaimichi shockwafe SSE 1000 watts was impressive, but this takes it too another level. 24:25
All of us need to be ready for Matt’s videos when he is 80…
Can I just check: i can still connect the ambeo subwoofer to my MAX soundbar but only via RCA cable right? My ambeo sub is arriving tomorrow and got my ambeo max for 2years now and loving it
Correct. You can either do a wireless receiver/transmitter like an SVS tri-band, or run RCA cable to it. I was saying if you were to do that, there are much better subs than the Ambeo sub. The other disadvantage is the Ambeo Max room correction software doesn't account for the addition of the sub.
Hello, any update on your purchase ? Curious to know if you find Ambeo Sub to be good with the Max
Bro the max has 13 drivers. You forgot the 2 on top
I have a sennheiser ambeo plus soundbar sounds pretty good and i just bought the sennheiser ambeo max even better! A wired third party subwoofer really makes them alot better.
That plastic wireless ambeo subwoofer is "meh"
Also just wanted to know what did for living just curious
Matty, why don’t u take apart that mantle and hide the wires behind it and in it?That mantle isn’t all one piece. Then route the wires behind the baseboard. Show mike this and he’ll get what I’m saying
Will you ever put together varying level sound bar packages?
Yep, that's the plan.
Thank you for testing
YOU DO KNOW NOW I HOPE THAT YOU HAVE TO HARD WIRE THE SUB WOFFFER TO THE MAX RIGHT?
Thank you bro for the helpful information. I would like to ask if you tried the Sub with the Max? I understand that many sub out there can give a nice punch but I’m wondering if the Sennheiser Sub can be better combination for the Max especially that should the frequency sync better together.
Thank you
It's not. The Sennheiser subs are mediocre. Their big selling point is they connect wirelessly to the Soundbar Plus.
I just can't get on board with the Max's massive beefy design, even if it sounds noticeably better than the Plus. If i have to go that big to get greater soundbar audio, i'd rather just go for a high end left, right & centre speaker, Receiver and pair it with 2 Sub woofers rather than have the MAX sitting underneath my TV.
For convenience sake, i could always go for the Ambeo Plus, and pair it with 2 subwoofers on the left and right hand side of my TV stand for now. And if Sennheiser releases actual rear surround speakers in 2024, then i'll get 2 more subs and place them in the back.
Can you plug a sub into the Ambeo Plus AND do a wireless sub?
Yes, you can.
@@ObsessedGarage This is not correct. When connecting a wired sub, the Plus will no longer allow pairing with a wireless one. This fact is not made clear at all in their manual. (I did have an opportunity to compare the Ambeo Sub with the SVS SB2000 however, and it didn't take but a few moments to return the Ambeo sub for a refund).
Cool socks! What brand?
Sorry. Btw. This video really really helped me decide which way to go for my moms tv setup! Thank you!! 🎉
What tv mount is this?
Sanus Systems LL11-B1 is what I always use. Never tilt, alway flush.
A Sennheiser Ambeo not really good for watching action movies but ok for watching TV with normal low volume dialogue, Really wouldn't you be best just using the crapp TV speak and keeping your money in your pocket, The Ambeo is fantastic at high volume no more than 40 but I don't know anyone who watches films at home with super loud volume anyway. There is no distortion or harshness whatsoever this thing is still today the best all in one soundbar hence the reason they didn't change anything except renamed it the Ambeo Max because they released the smaller version
What city do you reside?
The Villages, FL
I wish you'd do more Home Theater content, I love these videos.
Many thanks for the video. Very grateful for it. But on your place I would concentrate more how to remove fireplace and place tv on proper height. Also if I were you, playroom would become my theatre room and kids can play anywhere, they really don’t care. Your house is really big but you don’t have proper place to rest. Placing your setup in area where everyone may distract you at any moment isn’t very logical to me.
Does ambeo plus accommodate 2 subs?
Yes, you can do up to 4.
The baby holding the door 😅
What are those????!!!
Those what?
LMAOOO
🤣
I am thinking about the Ambeo Max but I am concerned about how hot I heard it can get. Should I be concerned about that?
Muffled center channel syndrome is common with the max because of the excessive heat melting the coils. Stick with the plus you go ambeo
I agree with you most of the time, but the wife factor comes into play here. Adding just the sub was a fight, let alone whole new set up
Nakamichi Dragon is coming out soon…supposed to be next level
I’m sure it will be very good but I doubt next level as it relies on up firing speakers as I’ve never heard one, that’s come close to speakers properly located above. I’m certainly willing to give it a listen.
@@johnmbell4642 Yup we’ll see er ah hear!
I wanna see the home theater
Hello are you gonna try the svs speakers as well ? would be nice to see what you think about those
I have. I don’t like them. They are too bright for me.
It took more than 15 minutes to get to a sound demo 😳
You should just motorize the mantle mount and keep the speaker you want. Then just tell Siri to lower or raise your tv.
Lol the dragon will eat that little thing and sit it out😅
I know I can’t be the first.. but the max with 2 svs subs and you’re in nakamichi dragon territory. And you can still add external subs to that also. Lol 🎉
With sub. No question
I have the Ambeo Max and it’s been with the service team for months. DONT BUY one. The service are not capable of detecting issues with the motherboard and it’s been months with them. Still under warranty!,,, Apparently they won’t swap it out. 6 -8 weeks back order
That happens with tech. It's part of the game.
Awesome video and info
Where ist the Sound Check 🤦🏻♂️
What do propose that would accomplish? That is useless to do when you are listening on a phone or laptop recorded through a lav mic compressed on TH-cam.
@@ObsessedGarage
Binaural recording 🤔
I’m struggling to see past the compression socks. Maybe a reshoot?
Ha, ha... They sure don't look good.
Why do you have your tv covering your fireplace though? Just keep the tv above the fireplace. And if the sound is better than the plus then why mess with the plus? Stay with the max
Don't worry so much about others
@@deyh5664bro, take your own advice and don’t be a hypocrite. Pass right on by my comment and don’t worry what I’m saying ….. this guy made a comment about the tv in front of the fireplace and the soundbar so I weighed in. 🤷🏻♀️
Great video👍🏻
Your kid needs his own sound bar ?
Ha, ha... No, but I needed a room to put this thing in.
I’d like to see a family vacation to like Tahiti or bora bora. Imagine Matt on vacation he would go insane
Great comparison, I was wondering the same thing. Max or plus with 2 subs.
I guess you need to go all out and get MAX with 2 subs 💥😍 buy the wireless connectivity box to use for MAX to connect subs.
That would be best.
Wireless connectivity box? I’m going to look that up thank you you may have just answered my question I just posted
It's ginormous 😂
Excelent!! 👏👏😉👍
The Dragon is awesome much better than ambeo if u think it’s a Tank then the Dragon is an aircraft carrier !!!
The Dragon is like 10 speakers.
Matt looking like he just came back from a jog and decided to do a video lol
Yep...came from the gym.
Holy moly dude, your room is a tip. It is so awful that it detracts from the review. I died a little inside. The review was quite good but that room -Dang!
What?
Tiny subwoofer.
Some garage music for $2500?
I have a $25,000 system in my garage.
@@ObsessedGarage But that is because are obsessed....
@@thegeniusfoolso what, if that makes someone happy then who are you? I have a speaker system in my garage too. I only use it when working out couple hours a week, but at least i workout in absolute bliss. Treat yourself to some life every now and then, even you deserve it!
@@deyh5664 It was just a somewhat robust number for a garage. Nothing negative. Rather, quite cool. Astonishment doesn't. have to be negative, and mine here was certainly not. Was smiling with a "wow" when typing it.
Nice review, although i can't understand how you can be proud being a member of that cult in this information age😆
Lamborghinis are not for regular people l😂😂😂 these are made for millionaires so this sound bar is not for you if you are making 800 a week or below lol😂😂😂 so can you imagine the Nakamichi lol 😂😂😂
this video was utterly useles. Author is just talking about Dimentions and barely talks about anything else.
Garbage